,the ,academic ,questions1 ,treatise ,de ,finibus4 and ,tusculan ,disputations ,of ,m4 ,t4 ,cicero ,with ,a ,sketch of the ,greek ,philosophers ,mentioned by ,cicero4 ,literally ,translated by ,c4 ,d4 ,yonge1 ,b4,a4 ,london3 ,george ,bell and ,sons ,york ,street ,covent ,garden ,printed by ,william ,clowes and ,sons1 ,stamford ,street and ,charing ,cross4 #ahge ,,contents ,a ,sketch of the ,greek ,philosophers ,mentioned by ,cicero4 ,introduction4 ,first ,book ,of ,the ,academic ,questions4 ,second ,book ,of ,the ,academic ,questions4 ,a ,treatise ,on ,the ,chief ,good ,and ,evil4 ,first ,book ,of ,the ,treatise ,on ,the ,chief ,good ,and ,evil4 ,second ,book ,of ,the ,treatise ,on ,the ,chief ,good ,and ,evil4 ,third ,book ,of ,the ,treatise ,on ,the ,chief ,good ,and ,evil4 ,fourth ,book ,of ,the ,treatise ,on ,the ,chief ,good ,and ,evil4 ,fifth ,book ,of ,the ,treatise ,on ,the ,chief ,good ,and ,evil4 ,the ,tusculan ,disputations4 ,introduction4 ,book ,i4 ,on ,the ,contempt ,of ,death4 ,book ,,ii4 ,on ,bearing ,pain4 ,book ,,iii4 ,on ,grief ,of ,mind4 ,book ,,iv4 ,on ,other ,perturbations ,of ,the ,mind4 ,book ,v4 ,whether ,virtue ,alone ,be ,sufficient ,for ,a ,happy ,life4 ,footnotes ,a ,,sketch ,,of ,,the ,,greek ,,philosophers ,,mentioned ,,by ,,cicero4 ,in the works translated in the present volume1 ,cicero makes such constant references to the doctrines and systems of the ancient ,greek ,philosophers1 that it seems desirable to give a brief account of the most remarkable of those mentioned by him2 not entering at length into the history of their lives1 but indicating the principal theories which they maintained1 and the main points in which they agreed with1 or differed from1 each other4 ,the earliest of them was ,thales1 who was born at ,miletus1 about #fdj ,b4,c4 ,he was a man of great political sagacity and influence2 but we have to consider him here as the earliest philosopher who appears to have been convinced of the necessity of scientific proof of whatever was put forward to be believed1 and as the originator of mathematics and geometry4 ,he was also a great astronomer2 for we read in ,herodotus 7i4 #gd7 that he predicted the eclipse of the sun which happened in the reign of ,alyattes1 king of ,lydia1 ,b4,c4 #fji4 ,he asserted that water is the origin of all things2 that everything is produced out of it1 and everything is resolved into it4 ,he also asserted that it is the soul which originates all motion1 so much so1 that he attributes a soul to the magnet4 ,aristotle also represents him as saying that everything is full of ,gods4 ,he does not appear to have left any written treatises behind him3 we are uncertain when or where he died1 but he is said to have lived to a great age--to #gh1 or1 according to some writers1 to #ij years of age4 ,anaximander1 a countryman of ,thales1 was also born at ,miletus1 about #cj years later2 he is said to have been a pupil of the former1 and deserves especial mention as the oldest philosophical writer among the ,greeks4 ,he did not devote himself to the mathematical studies of ,thales1 but rather to speculations concerning the generation and origin of the world2 as to which his opinions are involved in some obscurity4 ,he appears1 however1 to have considered that all things were formed of a sort of matter1 which he called 1 or ,the ,infinite2 which was something everlasting and divine1 though not invested with any spiritual or intelligent nature4 ,his own works have not come down to us2 but1 according to ,aristotle1 he considered this 8,infinite0 as consisting of a mixture of simple1 unchangeable elements1 from which all things were produced by the concurrence of homogeneous particles already existing in it1--a process which he attributed to the constant conflict between heat and cold1 and to affinities of the particles3 in this he was opposed to the doctrine of ,thales1 ,anaximenes1 and ,diogenes of ,apollonia1 who agreed in deriving all things from a single1 not changeable1 principle4 ,anaximander further held that the earth was of a cylindrical form1 suspended in the middle of the universe1 and surrounded by water1 air1 and fire1 like the coats of an onion2 but that the interior stratum of fire was broken up and collected into masses1 from which originated the sun1 moon1 and stars2 which he thought were carried round by the three spheres in which they were respectively fixed4 ,he believed that the moon had a light of her own1 not a borrowed light2 that she was nineteen times as large as the earth1 and the sun twenty-eight4 ,he thought that all animals1 including man1 were originally produced in water1 and proceeded gradually to become land animals4 ,according to ,diogenes ,laertius1 he was the inventor of the gnomon1 and of geographical maps2 at all events1 he was the first person who introduced the use of the gnomon into ,greece4 ,he died about #edg ,b4,c4 ,anaximenes was also a ,milesian1 and a contemporary of ,thales and ,anaximander4 ,we do not exactly know when he was born1 or when he died2 but he must have lived to a very great age1 for he was in high repute as early as ,b4,c4 #edd1 and he was the tutor of ,anaxagoras1 ,b4,c4 #dhj4 ,his theory was1 that air was the first cause of all things1 and that the other elements of the universe were resolvable into it4 ,from this infinite air1 he imagined that all finite things were formed by compression and rarefaction1 produced by motion1 which had existed from all eternity2 so that the earth was generated out of condensed air1 and the sun and other heavenly bodies from the earth4 ,he thought also that heat and cold were produced by different degrees of density of this primal element1 air2 that the clouds were formed by the condensing of the air2 and that it was the air which supported the earth1 and kept it in its place4 ,even the human soul he believed to be1 like the body1 formed of air4 ,he believed in the eternity of matter1 and denied the existence of anything immaterial4 ,anaxagoras1 who1 as has been already stated1 was a pupil of ,anaximenes1 was born at ,clazomen1 in ,ionia1 about ,b4,c4 #dii4 ,he removed to ,athens at the time of the ,persian war1 where he became intimate with ,pericles1 who defended him1 though unsuccessfully1 when he was prosecuted for impiety3 he was fined five talents1 and banished from the city2 on which he retired to ,lampsacus1 where he died at the age of #gb4 ,he differed from his predecessors of the ,ionic ,school1 and sought for a higher cause of all things than matter3 this cause he considered to be 1 intelligence1 or mind4 ,not that he thought this to be the creator of the world1 but only that principle which arranged it1 and gave it motion2 for his idea was1 that matter had existed from all eternity1 but that1 before the arranged it1 it was all in a state of chaotic confusion1 and full of an infinite number of homogeneous and heterogeneous parts2 then the separated the homogeneous parts from the heterogeneous1 and in this manner the world was produced4 ,this separation1 however1 he taught1 was made in such a manner that everything contains in itself parts of other things1 or heterogeneous elements2 and is what it is only on account of certain homogeneous parts which constitute its predominant and real character4 ,pythagoras was earlier than ,anaxagoras1 though this latter has been mentioned before him to avoid breaking the continuity of the ,ionic ,school4 ,his father's name was ,mnesarchus1 and he was born at ,samos about #egj ,b4,c41 though some accounts make him earlier4 ,he is said by some writers to have been a pupil of ,thales1 by others of ,anaximander1 or of ,pherecydes of ,scyros4 ,he was a man of great learning1 as a geometrician1 mathematician1 astronomer1 and musician2 a great traveller1 having visited ,egypt and ,babylon1 and1 according to some accounts1 penetrated as far as ,india4 ,many of his peculiar tenets are believed to have been derived from the ,tyrrhenian ,pelasgians1 with whom he is said to have been connected4 ,his contemporaries at ,crotona in ,south ,italy1 where he lived1 looked upon him as a man peculiarly connected with the gods2 and some of them even identified him with the ,hyperborean ,apollo4 ,he himself is said to have laid claim to the gifts of divination and prophecy4 ,the religious element was clearly predominant in his character4 ,grote says of him1 8,in his prominent vocation1 analogous to that of ,epimenides1 ,orpheus1 or ,melampus1 he appears as the revealer of a mode of life calculated to raise his disciples above the level of mankind1 and to recommend them to the favour of the gods40 7,hist4 of ,greece1 iv4 p4 #ebi47 ,on his arrival at ,crotona1 he formed a school1 consisting at first of three hundred of the richest of the citizens1 who bound themselves by a sort of vow to himself and to each other1 for the purpose of cultivating the ascetic observances which he enjoined1 and of studying his religious and philosophical theories4 ,all that took place in this school was kept a profound secret2 and there were gradations among the pupils themselves1 who were not all admitted1 or at all events not at first1 to a full acquaintance with their master's doctrines4 ,they were also required to submit to a period of probation4 ,the statement of his forbidding his pupils the use of animal food is denied by many of the best authorities1 and that of his insisting on their maintaining an unbroken silence for five years1 rests on no sufficient authority1 and is incredible4 ,it is beyond our purpose at present to enter into the question of how far the views of ,pythagoras in founding his school or club of three hundred1 tended towards uniting in this body the idea of 8at once a philosophical school1 a religious brotherhood1 and a political association10 all which characters the ,bishop of ,st4 ,david's 7,hist4 of ,greece1 vol4 ii4 p4 #adh7 thinks were inseparably united in his mind2 while ,mr4 ,grote's view of his object 7,hist4 of ,greece1 vol4 iv4 p4 #edd7 is very different4 ,in a political riot at ,crotona1 a temple1 in which many of his disciples were assembled1 was burnt1 and they perished1 and some say that ,pythagoras himself was among them2 though according to other accounts he fled to ,tarentum1 and afterwards to ,metapontum1 where he starved himself to death4 ,his tomb 7see ,cic4 de ,fin4 v4 #b7 was shown at ,metapontum down to ,cicero's time4 ,soon after his death his school was suppressed1 and did not revive1 though the ,pythagoreans continued to exist as a sect1 the members of which kept up the religious and scientific pursuits of their founder4 ,pythagoras is said to have been the first who assumed the title of 2 but there is great uncertainty as to the most material of his philosophical and religious opinions4 ,it is believed that he wrote nothing himself1 and that the earliest ,pythagorean treatises were the work of ,philolaus1 a contemporary of ,socrates4 ,it appears1 however1 that he undertook to solve by reference to one single primary principle the problem of the origin and constitution of the universe4 ,his predilection for mathematics led him to trace the origin of all things to number2 for 8in numbers he thought that they perceived many analogies of things that exist and are produced1 more than in fire1 earth1 or water3 as1 for instance1 they thought that a certain condition of numbers was justice2 another1 soul and intellect1 444 ,and moreover1 seeing the conditions and ratios of what pertains to harmony to consist in numbers1 since other things seemed in their entire nature to be formed in the likeness of numbers1 and in all nature numbers are the first1 they supposed the elements of numbers to be the elements of all things40 7,arist4 ,met4 i4 #e47 ,music and harmony too1 played almost as important a part in the ,pythagorean system as mathematics1 or numbers4 ,his idea appears to be1 that order or harmony of relation is the regulating principle of the whole universe4 ,he drew out a list of ten pairs of antagonistic elements1 and in the octave and its different harmonic relations1 he believed that he found the ground of the connexion between them4 ,in his system of the universe fire was the important element1 occupying both the centre and the remotest point of it2 and being the vivifying principle of the whole4 ,round the central fire the heavenly bodies he believed to move in a regular circle2 furthest off were the fixed stars2 and then1 in order1 the planets1 the moon1 the sun1 the earth1 and what he called 1 a sort of other half of the earth1 which was a distinct body from it1 but moving parallel to it4 ,the most distant region he called ,olympus2 the space between the fixed stars and the moon he called 2 the space between the moon and the earth 4 ,he1 or at least his disciples1 taught that the earth revolved on its axis1 7though ,philolaus taught that its revolutions were not round its axis but round the central fire74 ,the universe itself they considered as a large sphere1 and the intervals between the heavenly bodies they thought were determined according to the laws and relations of musical harmony4 ,and from this theory arose the doctrine of the ,music of the ,spheres2 as the heavenly bodies in their motion occasioned a sort of sound depending on their distances and velocities2 and as these were determined by the laws of harmonic intervals1 the sounds1 or notes1 formed a regular musical scale4 ,the light and heat of the central fire he believed that we received through the sun1 which he considered a kind of lens3 and perfection1 he conceived to exist in direct ratio to the distance from the central fire4 ,the universe1 itself1 they looked upon as having subsisted from all eternity1 controlled by an eternal supreme ,deity2 who established both limits and infinity2 and whom they often speak of as the absolute 1 or unity4 ,he pervaded 7though he was distinct from7 and presided over the universe4 ,sometimes1 too1 he is called the absolute ,good1--while the origin of evil is attributed not to him1 but to matter which prevented him from conducting everything to the best end4 ,with respect to man1 the doctrine of ,pythagoras was that known by the name of the ,metempsychosis1--that the soul after death rested a certain time till it was purified1 and had acquired a forgetfulness of what had previously happened to it2 and then reanimated some other body4 ,the ethics of the ,pythagoreans consisted more in ascetic practice and maxims for the restraint of the passions1 than in any scientific theories4 ,wisdom they considered as superior to virtue1 as being connected with the contemplation of the upper and purer regions1 while virtue was conversant only with the sublunary part of the world4 ,happiness1 they thought1 consisted in the science of the perfection of the soul2 or in the perfect science of numbers2 and the main object of all the endeavours of man was to be1 to resemble the ,deity as far as possible4 ,alcmon of ,crotona was a pupil of ,pythagoras2 but that is all that is known of his history4 ,he was a great natural philosopher2 and is said to have been the first who introduced the practice of dissection4 ,he is said1 also1 to have been the first who wrote on natural philosophy4 ,aristotle1 however1 distinguishes between the principles of ,alcmon and ,pythagoras1 though without explaining in what the difference consisted4 ,he asserted the immortality of the soul1 and said that it partook of the divine nature1 because1 like the heavenly bodies themselves1 it contained in itself the principle of motion4 ,xenophanes1 the founder of the ,eleatic school1 was a native of ,colophon2 and flourished probably about the time of ,pisistratus4 ,being banished from his own country1 he fled to the ,ionian colonies in ,sicily1 and at last settled in ,elea1 or ,velia4 ,his writings were chiefly poetical4 ,he was universally regarded by the ancients as the originator of the doctrine of the oneness of the universe3 he also maintained1 it is said1 the unity of the ,deity2 and also his immortality and eternity2 denounced the transference of him into human form2 and reproached ,homer and ,hesiod for attributing to him human weaknesses4 ,he represented him as endowed with unwearied activity1 and as the animating power of the universe4 ,heraclitus was an ,ephesian1 and is said to have been a pupil of ,xenophanes1 though this statement is much doubted2 others call him a pupil of ,hippasus the ,pythagorean4 ,he wrote a treatise on ,nature2 declaring that the principle of all things was fire1 from which he saw the world was evolved by a natural operation2 he further said that this fire was the human life and soul1 and therefore a rational intelligence guiding the whole universe4 ,in this primary fire he considered that there was a perpetual longing to manifest itself in different forms3 in its perfectly pure state it is in heaven2 but in order to gratify this longing it descends1 gradually losing the rapidity of its motion till it settles in the earth4 ,the earth1 however1 is not immovable1 but only the slowest of all moving bodies2 while the soul of man1 though dwelling in the lowest of all regions1 namely1 in the earth1 he considered a migrated portion of fire in its pure state2 which1 in spite of its descent1 had lost none of its original purity4 ,the summum bonum he considered to be a contented acquiescence in the decrees of the ,deity4 ,none of his writings are extant2 and he does not appear to have had many followers4 ,diogenes of ,apollonia1 7who must not be confounded with his ,stoic or ,cynic namesake17 was a pupil of ,anaximenes1 and wrote a treatise on ,nature1 of which ,diogenes ,laertius gives the following account3 8,he maintained that air was the primary element of all things2 that there was an infinite number of worlds and an infinite vacuum2 that air condensed and rarefied produced the different members of the universe2 that nothing was generated from nothing1 or resolved into nothing2 that the earth was round1 supported in the centre1 having received its shape from the whirling round it of warm vapours1 and its concrete nature and hardness from cold40 ,he also imputed to air an intellectual energy1 though he did not recognise any difference between mind and matter4 ,parmenides was a native of ,elea or ,velia1 and flourished about #dfj ,b4,c41 soon after which time he came to ,athens1 and became acquainted with ,socrates1 who was then very young4 ,theophrastus and ,aristotle speak doubtfully of his having been a pupil of ,xenophanes4 ,some authors1 however1 reckon him as one of the ,pythagorean school2 ,plato and ,aristotle speak of him as the greatest of the ,eleatics2 and it is said that his fellow-countrymen bound their magistrates every year to abide by the laws which he had laid down4 ,he1 like ,xenophanes1 explained his philosophical tenets in a didactic poem1 in which he speaks of two primary forms1 one the fine uniform etherial fire of flame 7 71 the other the cold body of night1 out of the intermingling of which everything in the world is formed by the ,deity who reigns in the midst4 ,his cosmogony was carried into minute detail1 of which we possess only a few obscure fragments2 he somewhat resembled the ,pythagoreans in believing in a spherical system of the world1 surrounded by a circle of pure light2 in the centre of which was the earth2 and between the earth and the light was the circle of the ,milky ,way1 of the morning and evening star1 of the sun1 the planets1 and the moon4 ,and the differences in perfection of organization1 he attributed to the different proportions in which the primary principles were intermingled4 ,the ultimate principle of the world was1 in his view1 necessity1 in which ,empedocles appears to have followed him2 he seems to have been the only philosopher who recognised with distinctness and precision that the ,existent1 1 as such1 is unconnected with all separation or juxtaposition1 as well as with all succession1 all relation to space or time1 all coming into existence1 and all change4 ,it is1 however1 a mistake to suppose that he recognised it as a ,deity4 ,democritus was born at ,abdera1 ,b4,c4 #dfj4 ,his father ,hegesistratus had been so rich as to be able to entertain ,xerxes1 when on his march against ,greece4 ,he spent his inheritance in travelling into distant countries1 visiting the greater part of ,asia1 and1 according to some authors1 extending his travels as far as ,india and thiopia4 ,egypt he certainly was acquainted with4 ,he lived to beyond the age of #ajj years1 and is said to have died ,b4,c4 #ceg4 ,he was a man of vast and varied learning1 and a most voluminous author1 though none of his works have come down to us2--in them he carried out the theory of atoms which he had derived from ,leucippus2 insisting on the reality of a vacuum and of motion1 which he held was the eternal and necessary consequence of the original variety of atoms in this vacuum4 ,these atoms1 according to this theory1 being in constant motion and impenetrable1 offer resistance to one another1 and so create a whirling motion which gives birth to worlds4 ,moreover1 from this arise combinations of distinct atoms which become real things and beings4 ,the first cause of all existence he called chance 771 in opposition to the of ,anaxagoras4 ,but ,democritus went further2 for he directed his investigations especially to the discovery of causes4 ,besides the infinite number of atoms1 he likewise supposed the existence of an infinite number of worlds1 each being kept together by a sort of shell or skin4 ,he derived the four elements from the form1 quality1 and proportionate magnitude of the atoms predominating in each2 and in deriving individual things from atoms1 he mainly considered the qualities of warm and cold2 the soul he considered as derived from fire atoms2 and he did not consider mind as anything peculiar1 or as a power distinct from the soul or sensuous perception2 but he considered knowledge derived from reason to be a sensuous perception4 ,in his ethical philosophy1 he considered 7as we may see from the de ,finibus7 the acquisition of peace of mind as the end and ultimate object of all our actions1 and as the last and best fruit of philosophical inquiry4 ,temperance and moderation in prosperity and adversity were1 in his eyes1 the principal means of acquiring this peace of mind4 ,and he called those men alone pious and beloved by the ,gods who hate whatever is wrong4 ,empedocles was a ,sicilian1 who flourished about the time when ,thrasydus1 the son of ,theron1 was expelled from ,agrigentum1 to the tyranny of which he had succeeded2 in which revolution he took an active part3 it is even said that the sovereignty of his native city was offered to and declined by him4 ,he was a man of great genius and extensive learning2 it is not known whose pupil he was1 nor are any of his disciples mentioned except ,gorgias4 ,he was well versed in the tenets of the ,eleatic and ,pythagorean schools2 but he did not adopt the fundamental principles of either2 though he agreed with ,pythagoras in his belief in the metempsychosis1 in the influence of numbers1 and in one or two other points2 and with the ,eleatics in disbelieving that anything could be generated out of nothing4 ,aristotle speaks of him as very much resembling in his opinions ,democritus and ,anaxagoras4 ,he was the first who established the number of four elements1 which had been previously pointed out one by one1 partly as fundamental substances1 and partly as transitive changes of things coming into existence4 ,he first suggested the idea of two opposite directions of the moving power1 an attractive and a repelling one3 and he believed that originally these two coexisted in a state of repose and inactivity4 ,he also assumed a periodical change of the formation of the world2 or perhaps1 like the philosophers of the pure ,ionic school1 a perpetual continuance of pure fundamental substances2 to which the parts of the world that are tired of change return1 and prepare the formation of the sphere for the next period of the world4 ,like the ,eleatics1 he strove to purify the notion of the ,deity1 saying that he1 8being a holy infinite spirit1 not encumbered with limbs1 passes through the world with rapid thoughts40 ,at the same time he speaks of the eternal power of ,necessity as an ancient decree of the ,gods1 though it is not quite clear what he understood by this term4 ,diagoras was a native of ,melos1 and a pupil of ,democritus1 and flourished about ,b4,c4 #dce4 ,he is remarkable as having been regarded by all antiquity as an ,atheist4 ,in his youth he had some reputation as a lyric poet2 so that he is sometimes classed with ,pindar1 ,simonides1 and ,bacchylides4 ,aristophanes1 in the ,clouds1 alludes to him where he calls ,socrates 8the ,melian20 not that he was so1 but he means to hint that ,socrates was an atheist as well as the ,melian ,diagoras4 ,he lived at ,athens for many years till ,b4,c4 #daa1 when he fled from a prosecution instituted against him for impiety1 according to ,diodorus1 but probably for some offence of a political nature2 perhaps connected with the mutilation of the ,herm4 ,that he was an atheist1 however1 appears to have been quite untrue4 ,like ,socrates1 he took new and peculiar views respecting the ,gods and their worship2 and seems to have ridiculed the honours paid to their statues1 and the common notions which were entertained of their actions and conduct4 7,see ,de ,nat4 ,deor4 iii4 #cg47 ,he is said also to have attacked objects held in the greatest veneration at ,athens1 such as the ,eleusinian ,mysteries1 and to have dissuaded people from being initiated into them4 ,he appears also1 in his theories on the divine nature1 to have substituted in some degree the active powers of nature for the activity of the ,gods4 ,in his own conduct he was a man of strict morality and virtue4 ,he died at ,corinth before the end of the century4 ,protagoras was a native of ,abdera2 the exact time of his birth is unknown1 but he was a little older than ,socrates4 ,he was the first person who gave himself the title of 1 and taught for pay4 ,he came to ,athens early in life1 and gave to the settlers who left it for ,thurium1 ,b4,c4 #dde1 a code of laws1 or perhaps adapted the old laws of ,charondas to their use4 ,he was a friend of ,pericles4 ,after some time he was impeached for impiety in saying1 ,that respecting the ,gods he did not know whether they existed or not2 and banished from ,athens 7see ,de ,nat4 ,deor4 i4 #bc74 ,he was a very prolific author3 his most peculiar doctrines excited ,plato to write the ,thetetus to oppose them4 ,his fundamental principle was1 that everything is motion1 and that that is the efficient cause of everything2 that nothing exists1 but that everything is continually coming into existence4 ,he divided motion 7besides numerous subordinate divisions7 into active and passive2 though he did not consider either of these characteristics as permanent4 ,from the concurrence of two such motions he taught that sensations and perceptions arose1 according to the rapidity of the motion4 ,therefore he said that there is or exists for each individual1 only that of which he has a sensation or perception2 and that as sensation1 like its objects1 is engaged in a perpetual change of motion1 opposite assertions might exist according to the difference of the perception respecting such object4 ,moral worth he attributed to taking pleasure in the beautiful2 and virtue he referred to a certain sense of shame implanted in man by nature2 and to a certain conscious feeling of justice1 which secures the bonds of connexion in private and political life4 ,socrates1 the son of ,sophroniscus1 a statuary1 and ,phnarete1 a midwife1 was born ,b4,c4 #dfh4 ,he lived all his life at ,athens1 serving indeed as a soldier at ,potida1 ,amphipolis1 and in the battle of ,delium2 but with these exceptions he never left the city2 where he lived as a teacher of philosophy2 not1 however1 founding a school or giving lectures1 but frequenting the market-place and all other places of public resort1 talking with every one who chose to address him1 and putting questions to every one of every rank and profession1 so that ,grote calls him 8a public talker for instruction40 ,he believed himself to have a special religious mission from the ,gods to bring his countrymen to knowledge and virtue4 ,he was at last impeached before the legal tribunals1 on the ground of 8corrupting the youth of the city1 and not worshipping the ,gods whom the city worshipped20 and disdaining to defend himself1 or rather making a justificatory defence of such a character as to exasperate the judges1 he was condemned to death1 and executed by having hemlock administered to him1 ,b4,c4 #cii4 ,from his disciples ,plato and ,xenophon we have a very full account of his habits and doctrines2 though it has been much disputed which of the two is to be considered as giving the most accurate description of his opinions4 ,as a young man he had been to a certain extent a pupil of ,archelaus 7the disciple of ,anaxagoras71 and derived his fondness for the dialectic style of argument from ,zeno the ,eleatic1 the favourite ,pupil of ,parmenides4 ,he differed1 however1 from all preceding philosophers in discarding and excluding wholly from his studies all the abstruse sciences1 and limiting his philosophy to those practical points which could have influence on human conduct4 8,he himself was always conversing about the affairs of men10 is the description given of him by ,xenophon4 ,astronomy he pronounced to be one of the divine mysteries which it was impossible to understand and madness to investigate2 all that man wanted was to know enough of the heavenly bodies to serve as an index to the change of seasons and as guides for voyages1 etc42 and that knowledge might1 he said1 easily be obtained from pilots and watchmen4 ,geometry he reduced to its literal meaning of land-measuring1 useful to enable one to act with judgment in the purchase or sale of land2 but he looked with great contempt on the study of complicated diagrams and mathematical problems4 ,as to general natural philosophy1 he wholly discarded it2 asking whether those who professed to apply themselves to that study knew human affairs so well as to have time to spare for divine2 was it that they thought that they could influence the winds1 rain1 and seasons1 or did they desire nothing but the gratification of an idle curiosity8 ,men should recollect how much the wisest of them who have attempted to prosecute these investigations differ from one another1 and how totally opposite and contradictory their opinions are4 ,socrates1 then1 looked at all knowledge from the point of view of human practice4 ,he first1 as ,cicero says1 7,tusc4 ,dis4 v4 #d17 8called philosophy down from heaven and established it in the cities1 introduced it even into private houses1 and compelled it to investigate life1 and manners1 and what was good and evil among men40 ,he was the first man who turned his thoughts and discussions distinctly to the subject of ,ethics4 ,deeply imbued with sincere religious feeling1 and believing himself to be under the peculiar guidance of the ,gods1 who at all times admonished him by a divine warning voice when he was in danger of doing anything unwise1 inexpedient1 or improper1 he believed that the ,gods constantly manifested their love of and care for all men in the most essential manner1 in replying through oracles1 and sending them information by sacrificial signs or prodigies1 in cases of great difficulty2 and he had no doubt that if a man were diligent in learning all that the ,gods permitted to be learnt1 and if besides he was assiduous in paying pious court to them and in soliciting special information by way of prophecy1 they would be gracious to him and signify their purposes to him4 ,such then being the capacity of man for wisdom and virtue1 his object was to impart that wisdom to them2 and the first step necessary1 he considered to be eradicating one great fault which was a barrier to all improvement4 ,this fault he described as 8the conceit of knowledge without the reality40 ,his friend and admirer ,chrephon had consulted the oracle at ,delphi as to whether any man was wiser than ,socrates2 to which the priestess replied that no other man was wiser4 ,socrates affirms that he was greatly disturbed at hearing this declaration from so infallible an authority2 till after conversing with politicians1 and orators1 and poets1 and men of all classes1 he discovered not only that they were destitute of wisdom1 but that they believed themselves to be possessed of it2 so that he was wiser than they1 though wholly ignorant1 inasmuch as he was conscious of his own ignorance4 ,he therefore considered his most important duty to be to convince men of their ignorance1 and to excite them to remedy it1 as the indispensable preliminary to virtue2 for virtue he defined as doing a thing well1 after having learnt it and practised it by the rational and proper means2 and whoever performed his duties best1 whether he was a ruler of a state or a husbandman1 was the best and most useful man and the most beloved by the ,gods4 ,and if his objects were new1 his method was no less so4 ,he was the parent of dialectics and logic4 ,aristotle says1 8,to ,socrates we may unquestionably assign two novelties--inductive discourses1 and the definitions of general terms40 ,without any predecessor to copy1 ,socrates fell as it were instinctively into that which ,aristotle describes as the double tract of the dialectic process1 breaking up the one into the many1 and recombining the many into the one2 though the latter or synthetical process he did not often perform himself1 but strove to stimulate his hearer's mind so as to enable him to do it for himself4 ,the fault of the ,socratic theory is well remarked by ,grote to be1 that while he resolved all virtue into knowledge or wisdom1 and all vice into ignorance or folly1 he omitted to notice what is not less essential to virtue1 the proper condition of the passions1 desires1 c41 and limited his views too exclusively to the intellect2 still while laying down a theory which is too narrow1 he escaped the erroneous consequences of it by a partial inconsistency4 ,for no one ever insisted more emphatically on the necessity of control over the passions and appetites1 of enforcing good habits1 and on the value of that state of the sentiments and emotions which such a course tended to form4 ,he constantly pointed out that the chief pleasures were such as inevitably arise from the performance of one's duty1 and that as to happiness1 a very moderate degree of good fortune is sufficient as to external things1 provided the internal man be properly disciplined4 ,grote remarks further1 7and this remark is particularly worth remembering in the reading of ,cicero's philosophical works17 that 8,arcesilaus and the ,new ,academy thought that they were following the example of ,socrates1 7and ,cicero appears to have thought so too17 when they reasoned against everything1 and laid it down as a system1 that against every affirmative position an equal force of negative argument could be brought as a counterpoise3 now this view of ,socrates is1 in my judgment1 not only partial1 but incorrect4 ,he entertained no such doubts of the powers of the mind to attain certainty4 ,about physics he thought man could know nothing2 but respecting the topics which concern man and society1 this was the field which the ,gods had expressly assigned1 not merely to human practice1 but to human study and knowledge2 and he thought that every man1 not only might know these things1 but ought to know them2 that he could not possibly act well unless he did know them2 and that it was his imperative duty to learn them as he would learn a profession1 otherwise he was nothing better than a slave1 unfit to be trusted as a free and accountable being4 ,he was possessed by the truly ,baconian idea1 that the power of steady moral action depended upon1 and was limited by1 the rational comprehension of moral ends and means40 ,the system1 then1 of ,socrates was animated by the truest spirit of positive science1 and formed an indispensable precursor to its attainment4 ,and we may form some estimate of his worth and genius if we recollect1 that while the systems and speculations of other ancient philosophers serve only as curiosities to make us wonder1 or as beacons to warn us into what absurdities the ablest men may fall1 the principles and the system of ,socrates and his followers1 and of that school alone1 exercise to this day an important influence on all human argument and speculation4 ,aristippus 7whom we will consider before ,plato1 that ,aristotle may follow ,plato more immediately7 came when a young man to ,athens1 for the express purpose of becoming acquainted with ,socrates1 with whom he remained almost till his death4 ,he was1 however1 very different from his master1 being a person of most luxurious and sensual habits4 ,he was also the first of ,socrates' disciples who took money for teaching4 ,he was the founder of the ,cyrenaic school of philosophy1 which followed ,socrates in limiting all philosophical inquiries to ethics2 though under this name they comprehended a more varied range of subjects than ,socrates did1 inasmuch as one of the parts into which they divided philosophy1 referred to the feelings2 another to causes1 which is rather a branch of physics2 and a third to proofs1 which is clearly connected with logic4 ,he pronounced pleasure to be the chief good1 and pain the chief evil2 but he denied that either of these was a mere negative inactive state1 considering them1 on the contrary1 both to be motions of the soul1--pain a violent1 and pleasure a moderate one4 ,as to actions1 he asserted that they were all morally indifferent1 that men should only look to their results1 and that law and custom are the only authorities which make an action either good or bad4 ,whatever conduces to pleasure1 he thought virtue2 in which he agreed with ,socrates that the mind has the principal share4 ,plato1 the greatest of all the disciples of ,socrates1 was the son of ,ariston and ,perictione1 and was born probably in the year ,b4,c4 #dbh1 and descended1 on the side of his father1 from ,codrus1 and on his mother's side related to ,solon4 ,at the age of twenty1 he became a constant attendant of ,socrates1 and lived at ,athens till his death4 ,after this event1 in consequence of the unpopularity of the very name of his master1 he retired to ,megara1 and subsequently to ,sicily4 ,he is said also to have been at some part of his life1 after the death of ,socrates1 a great traveller4 ,about twelve years after the death of ,socrates he returned to ,athens1 and began to teach in the ,academy1 partly by dialogue1 and partly1 probably1 by connected lectures4 ,he taught gratuitously2 and besides ,speusippus1 ,xenocrates1 ,aristotle1 ,heraclides ,ponticus1 and others1 who were devoted solely to philosophical studies1 he is said to have occasionally numbered ,chabrias1 ,iphicrates1 ,timotheus1 ,phocion1 ,isocrates1 and 7by some7 ,demosthenes among his hearers4 ,he died at a great age1 ,b4,c4 #cdg4 ,his works have come down to us in a more complete form than those of any other ancient author who was equally voluminous2 and from them we get a clear idea of the principal doctrines which he inculcated on his followers4 ,like ,socrates1 he was penetrated with the idea1 that knowledge and wisdom were the things most necessary to man1 and the greatest goods assigned to him by ,god4 ,wisdom he looked on as the great purifier of the soul2 and as any approach to wisdom presupposes an original communion with ,being1 properly so called1 this communion also presupposes the divine nature1 and consequent immortality of the soul1 his doctrine respecting which was of a much purer and loftier character than the usual theology of the ancients4 ,believing that the world also had a soul1 he considered the human soul as similar to it in nature1 and free from all liability to death1 in spite of its being bound up with the appetites1 in consequence of its connexion with the body1 and as preserving power and consciousness after its separation from the body4 ,what he believed1 however1 to be its condition after death is far less certain1 as his ideas on this subject are expressed in a mythical form4 ,the chief point1 however1 to which ,plato directed his attention1 was ethics1 which1 especially in his system1 are closely connected with politics4 ,he devotes the ,protagoras1 and several shorter dialogues1 to refute the sensual and selfish theories of some of his predecessors1 in order to adopt a more scientific treatment of the subject2 and in these dialogues he urges that neither happiness nor virtue are attainable by the indulgence of our desires1 but that men must bring these into proper restraint1 if they are desirous of either4 ,he supposes an inward harmony1 the preservation of which is pleasure1 while its disturbance is pain2 and as pleasure is always dependent on the activity from which it springs1 the more this activity is elevated the purer the pleasure becomes4 ,virtue he considered the fitness of the soul for the operations that are proper to it2 and it manifests itself by means of its inward harmony1 beauty1 and health4 ,different phases of virtue are distinguishable so far as the soul is not pure spirit1 but just as the spirit should rule both the other elements of the soul1 so also should wisdom1 as the inner development of the spirit1 rule the other virtues4 ,politics he considered an inseparable part of ethics1 and the state as the copy of a well-regulated individual life3 from the three different activities of the soul he deduced the three main elements of the state1 likening the working class to the appetitive element of the soul1 both of which equally require to be kept under control2 the military order1 which answered1 in his idea1 to the emotive element1 ought to develop itself in thorough dependence on the reason2 and from that the governing order1 answering to the rational faculty1 must proceed4 ,the right of passing from a subordinate to a dominant position must depend on the individual capacity and ability for raising itself4 ,but from the difficulties of realizing his theories1 he renounces this absolute separation of ranks in his book on ,laws1 limits the power of the governors1 attempts to reconcile freedom with unity and reason1 and to mingle monarchy with democracy4 ,with respect to his theology1 he appears to have agreed entirely with ,socrates4 ,aristotle was born at ,stageira1 ,b4,c4 #chd4 ,his father1 ,nicomachus1 was physician to ,amyntas ,,ii41 king of ,macedon4 ,at the age of seventeen he went to ,athens1 in hopes to become a pupil of ,plato2 but ,plato was in ,sicily1 and did not return for three years1 which time ,aristotle applied to severe study1 and to cultivating the friendship of ,heraclides ,ponticus4 ,when ,plato returned1 he soon distinguished him above all his other pupils4 ,he remained at ,athens twenty years1 maintaining1 however1 his connexion with ,macedonia2 but on the death of ,plato1 ,b4,c4 #cdg1 which happened while ,aristotle was absent in ,macedonia on an embassy1 he quitted ,athens1 thinking1 perhaps1 that travelling was necessary to complete his education4 ,after a short period1 he accepted an invitation from ,philip to superintend the education of ,alexander4 ,he remained in ,macedonia till ,b4,c4 #cce1 when he returned to ,athens1 where he found ,xenocrates had succeeded ,speusippus as the head of the ,academy4 ,here the ,lyceum was appropriated to him1 in the shady walks 77 of which he delivered his lectures to a number of eminent scholars who flocked around him4 ,from these walks the name of ,peripatetic was given to the ,school which he subsequently established4 ,like several others of the ,greek philosophers1 he had a select body of pupils1 to whom he delivered his esoteric doctrines2 and a larger1 more promiscuous1 and less accomplished company1 to whom he delivered his exoteric lectures on less abstruse subjects4 ,when he had resided thirteen years at ,athens1 he found himself threatened with a prosecution for impiety1 and fled to ,chalcis1 in ,euba1 and died soon after1 ,b4,c4 #cbb4 ,his learning was immense1 and his most voluminous writings embraced almost every subject conceivable2 but only a very small portion of them has come down to us4 ,cicero1 however1 alludes to him only as a moral philosopher1 and occasionally as a natural historian2 so that it may be sufficient here for us to confine our view of him to his teaching on the ,practical ,sciences2 his ,ethics1 too1 being one of his works which has come down to us entire4 ,god he considered to be the highest and purest energy of eternal intellect1--an absolute principle1--the highest reason1 the object of whose thought is himself2 expanding and declaring1 in a more profound manner1 the of ,anaxagoras4 ,with respect to man1 the object of all action1 he taught1 was happiness3 and this happiness he defines to be an energy of the soul 7or of life7 according to virtue1 existing by and for itself4 ,virtue1 again1 he subdivided into moral and intellectual1 according to the distinction between the reasoning faculty and that quality in the soul which obeys reason4 ,again1 moral virtue is the proper medium between excess and deficiency1 and can only be acquired by practice2 intellectual virtue can be taught2 and by the constant practice of moral virtue a man becomes virtuous1 but he can only practise it by a resolute determination to do so4 ,virtue1 therefore1 is defined further as a habit accompanied by1 or arising out of1 deliberate choice1 and based upon free and conscious action4 ,from these principles1 ,aristotle is led to take a wider view of virtue than other philosophers3 he includes friendship under this head1 as one of the very greatest virtues1 and a principal means for a steady continuance in all virtue2 and as the unrestricted exercise of each species of activity directed towards the good1 produces a feeling of pleasure1 he considers pleasure as a very powerful means of virtue4 ,connected with ,aristotle's system of ethics was his system of politics1 the former being only a part1 as it were1 of the latter2 the former aiming at the happiness of individuals1 the latter at that of communities2 so that the latter is the perfection and completion of the former4 ,for ,aristotle looked upon man as a 8political animal0--as a being1 that is1 created by nature for the state1 and for living in the state2 which1 as a totality consisting of organically connected members1 is by nature prior to the individual or the family4 ,the state he looked upon as a whole consisting of mutually dependent and connected members1 with reference as well to imaginary as to actually existing constitutions4 ,the constitution is the arrangement of the powers in the state--the soul of the state1 as it were1--according to which the sovereignty is determined4 ,the laws are the determining principles1 according to which the dominant body governs and restrains those who would1 and punishes those who do1 transgress them4 ,he defines three kinds of constitutions1 each of them having a corresponding perversion3--a republic1 arising from the principle of equality2 this at times degenerates into democracy2 monarchy1 and aristocracy1 which arise from principles of inequality1 founded on the preponderance of external or internal strength and wealth1 and which are apt to degenerate into tyranny and oligarchy4 ,the education of youth he considers as a principal concern of the state1 in order that1 all the individual citizens being trained to a virtuous life1 virtue may become predominant in all the spheres of political life2 and1 accordingly1 by means of politics the object is realized of which ethics are the groundwork1 namely1 human happiness1 depending on a life in accordance with virtue4 ,heraclides ,ponticus1 as he is usually called1 was1 as his name denotes1 a native of ,pontus4 ,he migrated to ,athens1 where he became a disciple of ,plato1 who1 while absent in ,sicily1 entrusted him with the care of his school4 ,speusippus was the nephew of ,plato1 and succeeded him as ,president of the ,academy2 but he continued so but a short time1 and1 within eight years of the death of ,plato1 he died at ,athens1 ,b4,c4 #cci4 ,he refused to recognise the ,good as the ultimate principle2 but1 going back to the older theologians1 maintained that the origin of the universe was to be set down indeed as a cause of the ,good and ,perfect1 but was not the ,good and ,perfect itself2 for that was the result of generated existence or development1 just as plants are of the seeds4 ,when1 with the ,pythagoreans1 he reckoned the ,one in the series of good things1 he probably thought of it only in opposition to the ,manifold1 and wished to point out that it is from the ,one that the ,good is to be derived4 ,he appears1 however1 7see ,de ,nat4 ,deor4 i4 #ac17 to have attributed vital activity to the primordial unity1 as inseparably belonging to it4 ,theophrastus was a native of ,eresus1 from whence he migrated to ,athens1 where he became a follower of ,plato1 and afterwards of ,aristotle1 by whom1 when he quitted ,athens for ,chalcis1 he was designated as his successor in the presidency of the ,lyceum2 while in this position1 he is said to have had two thousand disciples1 and among them the comic poet ,menander4 ,when1 ,b4,c4 #cje1 the philosophers were banished from ,athens1 he also left the city1 but returned the next year on the repeal of the law4 ,he lived to a great age1 though the date of his birth is not certainly known4 ,he was a very voluminous writer on many subjects1 but directed his chief attention to continuing the researches into natural history which had been begun by ,aristotle4 ,as1 however1 only a few fragments of his works have come down to us1 and these in a very corrupt state1 we know but little what peculiar views he entertained2 though we learn from ,cicero 7,de ,inv4 i4 #db-ej7 that he departed a good deal from the doctrines of ,aristotle in his principles of ethics1 and also in his metaphysical and theological speculations2 and ,cicero 7,de ,nat4 ,deor4 i4 #ac7 complains that he did not express himself with precision or with consistency about the ,deity2 and in other places 7,acad4 i4 #aj1 ,tusc4 ,qust4 v4 #i71 that he appeared unable to comprehend a happiness resting merely on virtue2 so that he had attributed to virtue a rank very inferior to its deserts4 ,xenocrates was a native of ,chalcedon1 born probably ,b4,c4 #cif4 ,he was a follower of ,plato1 and accompanied him to ,sicily4 ,after his death1 he betook himself1 with ,aristotle1 to the court of ,hermias1 tyrant of ,ptarneus1 but soon returned to ,athens1 and became president of the ,academy when ,speusippus1 through ill health1 was forced to abandon that post4 ,he died ,b4,c4 #cad4 ,he was not a man of great genius1 but of unwearied industry and the purest virtue and integrity4 ,none of his works have come down to us2 but1 from the notices of other writers1 we are acquainted with some of his peculiar doctrines4 ,he stood at the head of those who1 regarding the universe as imperishable and existing from eternity1 looked upon the chronic succession in the theory of ,plato as a form in which to denote the relations of conceptual succession4 ,he asserted that the soul was a self-moving member1--called ,unity and ,duality deities1 considering the former as the first male existence1 ruling in heaven1 father and ,jupiter2 the latter as the female1 as the mother of the ,gods1 and the soul of the universe1 which reigns over the mutable world under heaven4 ,he approximated to the ,pythagoreans in considering ,number as the principle of consciousness1 and consequently of knowledge2 supplying1 however1 what was deficient in the ,pythagorean theory by the definition of ,plato1 that it is only in as far as number reconciles the opposition between the same and the different1 and can raise itself to independent motion1 that it is soul4 ,in his ethics he endeavoured to render the ,platonic theory more complete1 and to give it a more direct applicability to human life2 admitting1 besides the good and the bad1 of something which is neither good nor bad1 and some of these intermediate things1 such as health1 beauty1 fame1 good fortune1 he would not admit to be absolutely worthless and indifferent4 ,he maintained1 however1 in the most decided manner1 that virtue is the only thing valuable in itself1 and that the value of everything else is conditional1 7see ,cic4 de ,fin4 iv4 #ah1 de ,leg4 i4 #ba1 ,acad4 i4 #f1 ,tusc4 ,qust4 v4 #aj-ah17 that happiness ought to coincide with the consciousness of virtue4 ,he did not allow that mere intellectual scientific wisdom was the only true wisdom to be sought after as such by men3 and in one point he came nearer the precepts of ,christianity than any of the ancients1 when he asserted the indispensableness of the morality of the thoughts to virtue1 and declared it to be the same thing1 whether a person cast longing eyes on the possessions of his neighbour1 or attempted to possess himself of them by force4 ,antisthenes was older than ,plato2 though the exact time of his birth is uncertain3 but he fought at the battle of ,tanagra1 ,b4,c4 #dbj1 though then very young4 ,he became a disciple of ,gorgias1 and afterwards of ,socrates1 at whose death he set up a school in the ,cynosarges1 a gymnasium for the use of ,athenians born of foreign mothers1 near the temple of ,hercules1 from which place of assembly his followers were called ,cynics4 ,he lived to a great age1 though the year of his death is not known1 but he certainly was alive after the battle of ,leuctra1 ,b4,c4 #cga4 ,in his philosophical system1 which was almost confined to ethics1 he appears to have aimed at novelty rather than truth or common sense4 ,he taught that in all that the wise man does he conforms to perfect virtue1 and that pleasure is so far from being necessary to man1 that it is a positive evil4 ,he is reported also to have gone the length of pronouncing pain and infamy blessings rather than evils1 though when he spoke of pleasure as worthless1 he probably meant that pleasure which arises from the gratification of sensual or artificial desires2 for he praised that which arises from the intellect1 and from friendship4 ,the summum bonum he placed in a life according to virtue4 ,in a treatise in which he discussed the nature of the ,gods he contended for the unity of the ,deity1 and asserted that man is unable to know him by any sensible representation1 since he is unlike any being on earth2 and demonstrated the sufficiency of virtue for happiness1 by the doctrine that outward events are regulated by ,god so as to benefit the wise and good4 ,diogenes1 a native of ,sinope in ,pontus1 who was born ,b4,c4 #dab1 was one of his few disciples2 he came at an early age to ,athens1 and became notorious for the most frantic excesses of moroseness and self-denial4 ,on a voyage to gina he was taken by pirates and sold as a slave to ,xeniades1 a ,corinthian1 over whom he acquired great influence1 and was made tutor to his children4 ,his system consisted merely in teaching men to dispense with even the simplest necessaries of civilized life3 and he is said to have taught that all minds are air1 exactly alike1 and composed of similar particles2 but that in beasts and in idiots they are hindered from properly developing themselves by various humors and incapacities of their bodies4 ,he died ,b4,c4 #cbc1 the same year that ,epicurus came to ,athens4 ,zeno was born at ,citium1 a city of ,cyprus2 but having been shipwrecked near ,cyprus1 he settled in that city1 where he devoted himself to severe study for a great length of time1 cultivating1 it is said1 the acquaintance of the philosophers of the ,megaric school1 ,diodorus and ,philo1 and of the ,academics1 ,xenocrates and ,polemo4 ,after he had completed his studies1 he opened a school himself in the porch1 adorned with the paintings of ,polygnotus 7 71 from which his followers were called ,stoics4 ,the times of his birth and of his death are not known with any exactness2 but he is said to have reached a great age4 ,in speaking of the ,stoic doctrines1 it is not very clear how much of them proceeded from ,zeno himself1 and how much from ,chrysippus and other eminent men of the school in subsequent years4 ,in natural philosophy he considered that there was a primary matter which was never increased or diminished1 and which was the foundation of everything which existed3 and which was brought into existence by the operative power1--that is1 by the ,deity4 ,he saw this operative power in fire and in ther as the basis of all vital activity1 7see ,cic4 ,acad4 i4 #aa1 ii4 #da2 de ,nat4 ,deor4 ii4 #i1 iii4 #ad17 and he taught that the universe comes into being when the primary substance passing from fire through the intermediate stage of air becomes liquefied1 and then the thick portion becomes earth1 the thinner portion air1 which is again rarefied till it becomes fire4 ,this fire he conceived to be identical with the ,deity1 7,cic4 de ,nat4 ,deor4 ii4 #bb17 and to be endowed with consciousness and foresight4 ,at other times he defined the ,deity as that law of nature which ever accomplishes what is right1 and prevents the opposite1 and identified it with unconditional necessity4 ,the soul of man he considered as being of the nature of fire1 or of a warm breath1 7,cic4 ,tusc4 ,qust4 i4 #i2 de ,nat4 ,deor4 iii4 #d17 and therefore as mortal4 ,in ethics he agreed with the ,cynics in recognising the constitutional nature of moral obligations1 though he differed from them with respect to things indifferent1 and opposed their morose contempt for custom1 though he did not allow that the gratification of mere external wants1 or that external good fortune1 had any intrinsic value4 ,he comprised everything which could make life happy in virtue alone 7,cic4 ,acad4 i4 #aj71 and called it the only good which deserved to be striven after and praised for its own sake 7,cic4 de ,fin4 iii4 #f1 #h71 and taught that the attainment of it must inevitably produce happiness4 ,but as virtue could1 according to his system1 only subsist in conjunction with the perfect dominion of reason1 and vice only in the renunciation of the authority of reason1 he inferred that one good action could not be more virtuous than another1 and that a person who had one virtue had all1 and that he who was destitute of one was destitute of all4 ,cleanthes was born at ,assos in the ,troas1 about #cjj ,b4,c42 he came to ,athens at an early age1 and became the pupil of ,zeno1 whom at his death he succeeded in his school4 ,he differed from his master in regarding the soul as immortal1 and approximated to the ,cynics in denying that pleasure was agreeable to nature1 or in any respect good4 ,he died of voluntary starvation at the age of eighty4 ,chrysippus was born ,b4,c4 #bhj1 at ,soli in ,cilicia4 ,he came at an early age to ,athens1 and became a pupil of ,cleanthes2 and among the later ,stoics he was more regarded than either ,zeno or ,cleanthes4 ,he died ,b4,c4 #bjg4 ,his doctrines do not appear to have differed from those of ,zeno2 only that1 from feeling the dangerous influence of the ,epicurean principles1 he endeavoured to popularize the ,stoic ethics4 ,epicurus was an ,athenian of the ,attic demos ,gargettus1 whence he is sometimes simply called the ,gargettian4 ,he was1 however1 born at ,samos1 ,b4,c4 #cdb1 and did not come to ,athens till the age of eighteen1 when he found ,xenocrates at the head of the ,academy1 and by some authors is said to have become his pupil1 though he himself would not admit it 7,cic4 de ,nat4 ,deor4 i4 #bf74 ,at the outbreak of the ,samian war he crossed over to ,colophon1 where he collected a school4 ,it is said that the first thing that excited him to the study of philosophy was the perusal of the works of ,democritus while he resided at ,colophon4 ,from thence he went to ,mitylene and ,lampsacus1 and ,b4,c4 #cjf he returned to ,athens1 and finally established himself as a teacher of philosophy4 ,his own life was that of a man of simple1 pure1 and temperate habits4 ,he died of the stone1 ,b4,c4 #bgj1 and left ,hermarchus of ,mitylene as his successor in the management of his school4 ,none of his works have come down to us4 ,with regard to his philosophical system1 in spite of his boast of being self-taught and having borrowed from no one1 he clearly derived the chief part of his natural philosophy from ,democritus1 and of his moral philosophy from ,aristippus and the ,cyrenaics4 ,he considered human happiness the end of all philosophy1 and agreed with the ,cyrenaics that pleasure constituted the greatest happiness2 still this theory in his hands acquired a far loftier character2 for pleasure1 in his idea1 was not a mere momentary and transitory sensation1 but something lasting and imperishable1 consisting in pure mental enjoyments1 and in the freedom from pain and any other influence which could disturb man's peace of mind4 ,and the summum bonum1 according to him1 consisted in this peace of mind2 which was based upon correct wisdom 774 ,in his natural philosophy he embraced the atomic theories of ,democritus and ,diagoras1 carrying them even further than they themselves had done1 to such a degree that he drew upon himself the reproach of ,atheism4 ,he regarded the ,gods themselves as consisting of atoms1 and our notions of them as based upon the images 77 which are reflected from them1 and so pass into our minds4 ,and he believed that they exercised no influence whatever on the world1 or on the actions or fortunes of man4 ,theodorus was a native of ,cyrene1 who flourished about ,b4,c4 #cbj4 ,he was of the ,cyrenaic sect1 and the founder of that branch of it which was called after him1 the ,theodorean2 though we scarcely know in what his doctrines differed from those of ,aristippus1 unless they were1 if possible1 of a still more lax character4 ,he taught1 for instance1 that there was nothing really wrong or disgraceful in theft1 adultery1 or sacrilege2 but that they were branded by public opinion to restrain fools4 ,he is also reproved with utter atheism2 and ,cicero classes him with ,diagoras1 as a man who utterly denied the existence of any ,gods at all4 ,pyrrho was a contemporary of ,alexander the ,great1 whose expedition into ,asia he joined4 ,he appears1 as far as his philosophy went1 to have been an universal sceptic4 ,he impeached1 however1 none of the chief principles of morality1 but1 regarding ,socrates as his model1 directed all his endeavours towards the production in his pupils of a firm well-regulated moral character4 ,crantor was a native of ,soli in ,cilicia2 we do not know when he was born or when he died1 but he came to ,athens before ,b4,c4 #cae4 ,he was the first of ,plato's followers who wrote commentaries on the works of his master4 ,he died of dropsy1 and left ,arcesilaus his heir4 ,arcesilaus1 or ,arcesilas1 flourished about ,b4,c4 #bhj2 he was born at ,pitane1 but came to ,athens and became the pupil of ,theophrastus and of ,crantor1 and afterwards of some of the more sceptical philosophers4 ,on the death of ,crantor he succeeded to the chair of the ,academy1 in the doctrines of which he made so many innovations that he is called the founder of the ,new ,academy4 ,what his peculiar views were is1 however1 a matter of great uncertainty4 ,some give him the credit of having restored the doctrines of ,plato in an uncorrupted form2 while1 according to ,cicero1 on the other hand1 7,acad4 i4 #ab17 he summed up all his opinions in the statement that he knew nothing1 not even his own ignorance4 ,he1 and the ,new ,academy1 do not1 however1 seem to have doubted the existence of truth in itself1 but only the capacity of man for arriving at the knowledge of it4 ,carneades was born at ,cyrene about ,b4,c4 #bac4 ,he went early to ,athens1 and at first attended the lectures of the ,stoics2 but subsequently attached himself to the ,academy1 and succeeded to the chair on the death of ,hegesinus4 ,in the year ,b4,c4 #aee1 he came to ,rome on an embassy1 but so offended ,cato by speaking one day in praise of justice as a virtue1 and the next day1 in answer to all his previous arguments1 that he made a motion in the senate1 that he should be ordered to depart from ,rome4 ,he died ,b4,c4 #abi4 ,philo of ,larissa1 who is often mentioned by ,cicero1 was his own master1 having removed to ,rome after the conquest of ,athens by ,mithridates1 where he settled as a teacher of philosophy and rhetoric4 ,he would not admit that there was any difference between the ,old and ,new ,academy1 in which he differed from his pupil ,antiochus4 ,the exact time of his birth or death is not known2 but he was not living when ,cicero composed his ,academics4 7ii4 #f47 ,antiochus of ,ascalon has been called by some writers the founder of the ,fifth ,academy2 he also was a teacher of ,cicero during the time he studied at ,athens2 he had also a school at ,alexandria1 and another in ,syria1 where he died4 ,he studied under ,philo1 but was so far from agreeing with him that he wrote a treatise on purpose to refute what he considered as the scepticism of the ,academics4 ,and undoubtedly the later philosophers of that school had exaggerated the teaching of ,plato1 that the senses were not in all cases trustworthy organs of perception1 so as to infer from it a denial of the certainty of any knowledge whatever4 ,antiochus professed that his object was to revive the real doctrines of ,plato in opposition to the modern scepticism of ,carneades and ,philo4 ,he appears to have considered himself as an eclectic philosopher1 combining the best parts of the doctrines of the ,academic1 ,peripatetic1 and ,stoic schools4 ,diodorus of ,tyre flourished about ,b4,c4 #aaj4 ,he lived at ,athens1 where he succeeded ,critolaus as the head of the ,peripatetic school4 ,cicero1 however1 denies that he was a genuine ,peripatetic1 and says that his doctrine that the summum bonum consisted in a combination of virtue with the absence of pain was an attempt to reconcile the theory of the ,stoics with that of the ,epicureans4 ,pantius was a native of ,rhodes2 his exact age is not known1 but he was a contemporary of ,scipio milianus1 who died ,b4,c4 #abi4 ,he went to ,athens at an early age1 where he is said to have been a pupil of ,diogenes of ,babylon and ,antipater of ,tarsus1 and also of ,polemo ,periegetes4 ,he became associated with ,p4 ,scipio milianus1 who valued him highly4 ,the latter part of his life he spent at ,athens1 where he had succeeded ,antipater as head of the ,stoic school4 ,he was the author of a treatise on 8,what is ,becoming10 which ,cicero professes to have imitated1 though carried rather further1 in his ,de ,officiis4 ,he softened down the harsher features of the ,stoic doctrines1 approximating them in some degree to the opinions of ,xenocrates1 ,plato1 and ,aristotle1 and made them attractive by the elegance of his style2 indeed1 he modified the principles of the school so much1 that some writers called him a ,platonist4 ,in natural philosophy he abandoned the ,stoic doctrine of the conflagration of the world2 endeavoured to simplify the division of the faculties of the soul2 and doubted the reality of the science of divination4 ,in ethics he followed the method of ,aristotle2 and1 in direct opposition to the earlier ,stoics1 vindicated the claim of certain pleasurable sensations to be regarded as in accordance with nature4 ,polemo was a pupil of ,xenocrates1 and succeeded him as the head of his school4 ,there is a story that he had been a very dissolute young man1 and that one day1 at the head of a band of revellers1 he burst into the school of ,xenocrates1 when his attention was so arrested by the discourse of the philosopher1 which happened to be on the subject of temperance1 that he tore off his festive garland1 remained till the end of the lecture1 and devoted himself to philosophy all the rest of his life4 ,he does not appear to have varied at all from the doctrines of his master4 ,he died ,b4,c4 #bgc4 ,archytas was a native of ,tarentum3 his age is not quite certain1 but he is believed to have been a contemporary of ,plato1 and he is even said to have saved his life by his interest with the tyrant ,dionysius4 ,he was a great general and statesman1 as well as a philosopher4 ,in philosophy he was a ,pythagorean2 and1 like most of that school1 a great mathematician2 and applied his favourite science not only to music1 but also to metaphysics4 ,aristotle is believed to have borrowed from him his ,system of ,categories4 ,the limits of this volume forbid more than the preceding very brief sketch of the chiefs of the ancient philosophy4 ,for a more detailed account the reader is referred to the ,biographical ,dictionary edited by ,dr4 ,smith1 from which valuable work much of this sketch has been derived4 ,the account of ,socrates has been principally derived from ,mr4 ,grote's admirable history of ,greece3 in which attention has so successfully been devoted to the history of philosophy and the sophists1 that a correct idea of the subject can hardly be acquired without a careful study of that work4 ,it was intended to subjoin a comparison of the systems of the different sects1 but it would take more space than can be spared2 and it is moreover unnecessary1 as1 the distinctive tenets of each having been explained1 the reader is supplied with sufficient materials to institute such a comparison for himself4 ,he will not wonder that men without the guidance of revelation should at times have lost their way in speculations beyond the reach of human faculties1 but will the more admire that genius and virtue which manifested itself in such men as ,socrates1 ,plato1 and ,cicero1 for the perpetual enlightenment of the human race4 ,,introduction4 ,the following account of the two ,books of the ,academics is extracted from the ,dictionary of ,greek and ,roman ,biography1 edited by ,dr4 ,w4 ,smith3-- 8,the history of this work1 before it finally quitted the hands of its author1 is exceedingly curious and somewhat obscure2 but must be clearly understood before we can explain the relative position of those portions of it which have been transmitted to modern times4 ,by comparing carefully a series of letters written to ,atticus1 in the course of ,b4,c4 #de 7,ep4 ad ,att4 xiii4 #cb27a7 #ab1 #ac1 #ad1 #af1 #ah1 #ai1 #ba1 #bb1 #bc1 #be1 #ce1 #dd71 we find that ,cicero had drawn up a treatise upon the ,academic ,philosophy1 in the form of a dialogue between ,catulus1 ,lucullus1 and ,hortensius2 and that it was comprised in two books1 the first bearing the name of ,catulus1 the second that of ,lucullus4 ,a copy was sent to ,atticus2 and1 soon after it reached him1 two new ,introductions were composed1 the one in praise of ,catulus1 the other in praise of ,lucullus4 ,scarcely had this been done1 when ,cicero1 from a conviction that ,catulus1 ,lucullus1 and ,hortensius1 although men of highly cultivated minds1 and well acquainted with general literature1 were known to have been little conversant with the subtle arguments of abstruse philosophy1 determined to withdraw them altogether1 and accordingly substituted ,cato and ,brutus in their place4 ,immediately after this change had been introduced1 he received a communication from ,atticus1 representing that ,varro was much offended by being passed over in the discussion of topics in which he was so deeply versed4 ,thereupon ,cicero1 catching eagerly at the idea thus suggested1 resolved to recast the whole piece1 and quickly produced1 under the old title1 a new and highly improved edition1 divided into four books instead of two1 dedicating the whole to ,varro1 to whom was assigned the task of defending the tenets of ,antiochus2 while ,cicero himself undertook to support the views of ,philo1 ,atticus also taking a share in the conversation4 8,but1 although these alterations had been effected with extreme rapidity1 the copy originally sent to ,atticus had in the meantime been repeatedly transcribed2 hence both editions passed into circulation1 and a part of each has been preserved4 ,one section1 containing twelve chapters1 is a short fragment of the second or ,varronian edition4 ,the other1 containing forty-nine chapters1 is the entire second book of the first edition2 to which is prefixed the new introduction1 together with the proper title of ,lucullus4 ,the scene of the ,catulus was the villa of that statesman1 at ,cum2 while the ,lucullus is supposed to have been held at the mansion of ,hortensius1 near ,bauli4 8,the object proposed was to give an account of the rise and progress of the ,academic ,philosophy1 to point out the various modifications introduced by successive professors1 and to demonstrate the superiority of the principles of the ,new ,academy1 as taught by ,philo1 over those of the old1 as advocated by ,antiochus40 ,,first ,,book ,,of ,,the ,,academic ,,questions4 ,i4 ,when a short time ago my friend ,atticus7#b7 was with me at my villa in the district of ,cum1 news was sent us by ,marcus7#c7 ,varro1 that he had arrived in ,rome the day before in the evening1 and that if he had not found himself too tired after his journey he should have proceeded at once to see us4 ,but when we heard this1 we thought that we ought not to suffer anything to delay our seeing a man so intimately connected with us by an identity of studies1 and by a very long standing intimacy and friendship4 ,and so we set out at once to go to see him2 and when we were no great distance from his villa we saw him coming towards us2 and when we had embraced him1 as the manner of friends is1 after some time we accompanied him back to his villa4 ,and as ,i was asking a few questions1 and inquiring what was the news at ,rome1 ,never mind those things1 said ,atticus1 which we can neither inquire about nor hear of without vexation1 but ask him rather whether he has written anything new2 for the muse of ,varro has been silent much longer than usual2 though ,i rather suppose he is suppressing for a time what he has written1 than that he has been really idle4 ,you are quite wrong1 said he2 for ,i think it very foolish conduct in a man to write what he wishes to have concealed4 ,but ,i have a great work on hand2 for ,i have been a long time preparing a treatise which ,i have dedicated to my friend here1 7he meant me17 which is of great importance1 and is being polished up by me with a good deal of care4 ,i have been waiting to see it a long time1 ,varro1 said ,i1 but still ,i have not ventured to ask for it4 ,for ,i heard from our friend ,libo1 with whose zeal you are well acquainted1 7for ,i can never conceal anything of that kind17 that you have not been slackening in the business1 but are expending a great deal of care on it1 and in fact never put it out of your hands4 ,but it has never hitherto come into my mind to ask you about it2 however now1 since ,i have begun to commit to a durable record those things which ,i learnt in your company1 and to illustrate in the ,latin language that ancient philosophy which originated with ,socrates1 ,i must ask you why it is that1 while you write on so many subjects1 you pass over this one1 especially when you yourself are very eminent in it2 and when that study1 and indeed the whole subject1 is far superior in importance to all other studies and arts4 ,,ii4 ,you are asking me1 he replied1 about a matter on which ,i have often deliberated and frequently revolved in my mind4 ,and1 therefore1 ,i will answer you without any hesitation2 still1 however1 speaking quite off-hand1 because ,i have1 as ,i said just now1 thought over the subject both deeply and frequently4 ,for as ,i saw that philosophy had been explained with great care in the ,greek language1 ,i thought that if any of our countrymen were engrossed by the study of it1 who were well versed in ,greek literature1 they would be more likely to read ,greek treatises than ,latin ones3 but that those men who were averse to ,greek science and to the schools of the ,greek philosophers would not care the least for such matters as these1 which could not be understood at all without some acquaintance with ,greek literature4 ,and1 therefore1 ,i did not choose to write treatises which unlearned men could not understand1 and learned men would not be at the trouble of reading4 ,and you yourself are aware of this4 ,for you have learnt that we cannot resemble ,amafanius7#d7 or ,rabirius17#e7 who without any art discuss matters which come before the eyes of every one in plain ordinary language1 giving no accurate definitions1 making no divisions1 drawing no inferences by well-directed questions1 and who appear to think that there is no such thing as any art of speaking or disputing4 ,but we1 in obedience to the precepts of the logicians and of orators also1 as if they were positive laws1 7since our countrymen consider skill in each of these branches to be a virtue17 are compelled to use words although they may be new ones2 which learned men1 as ,i have said before1 will prefer taking from the ,greeks1 and which unlearned men will not receive even from us2 so that all our labour may be undertaken in vain4 ,but now1 if ,i approved of the doctrines of ,epicurus1 that is to say1 of ,democritus1 ,i could write of natural philosophy in as plain a style as ,amafanius4 ,for what is the great difficulty when you have put an end to all efficient causes1 in speaking of the fortuitous concourse of corpuscules1 for this is the name he gives to atoms4 ,you know our system of natural philosophy1 which depends upon the two principles1 the efficient cause1 and the subject matter out of which the efficient cause forms and produces what it does produce4 ,for we must have recourse to geometry1 since1 if we do not1 in what words will any one be able to enunciate the principles he wishes1 or whom will he be able to cause to comprehend those assertions about life1 and manners1 and desiring and avoiding such and such things8 ,for those men are so simple as to think the good of a sheep and of a man the same thing4 ,while you know the character and extent of the accuracy which philosophers of our school profess4 ,again1 if you follow ,zeno1 it is a hard thing to make any one understand what that genuine and simple good is which cannot be separated from honesty2 while ,epicurus asserts that he is wholly unable to comprehend what the character of that good may be which is unconnected with pleasures which affect the senses4 ,but if we follow the doctrines of the ,old ,academy which1 as you know1 we prefer1 then with what accuracy must we apply ourselves to explain it2 with what shrewdness and even with what obscurity must we argue against the ,stoics6 ,the whole1 therefore1 of that eagerness for philosophy ,i claim for myself1 both for the purpose of strengthening my firmness of conduct as far as ,i can1 and also for the delight of my mind4 ,nor do ,i think1 as ,plato says1 that any more important or more valuable gift has been given to men by the gods4 ,but ,i send all my friends who have any zeal for philosophy into ,greece2 that is to say1 ,i bid them study the ,greek writers1 in order to draw their precepts from the fountain-head1 rather than follow little streams4 ,but those things which no one had previously taught1 and which could not be learnt in any quarter by those who were eager on the subject1 ,i have laboured as far as ,i could 7for ,i have no great opinion of anything which ,i have done in this line7 to explain to our fellow-countrymen4 ,for this knowledge could not be sought for among the ,greeks1 nor1 after the death of our friend ,lucius lius17#f7 among the ,latins either4 ,and yet in those old works of ours which we composed in imitation of ,menippus17#g7 not translating him1 sprinkling a little mirth and sportiveness over the whole subject1 there are many things mingled which are drawn from the most recondite philosophy1 and many points argued according to the rules of strict logic2 but ,i added these lighter matters in order to make the whole more easy for people of moderate learning to comprehend1 if they were invited to read those essays by a pleasing style1 displayed in panegyrics1 and in the very prefaces of my books of antiquities4 ,and this was my object in adopting this style1 however ,i may have succeeded in it4 ,,iii4 ,the fact1 ,i replied1 is just as you say1 ,varro4 ,for while we were sojourners1 as it were1 in our own city1 and wandering about like strangers1 your books have conducted us1 as it were1 home again1 so as to enable us at last to recognise who and where we were4 ,you have discussed the antiquity of our country1 and the variety of dates and chronology relating to it4 ,you have explained the laws which regulate sacrifices and priests2 you have unfolded the customs of the city both in war and peace2 you have described the various quarters and districts2 you have omitted mentioning none of the names1 or kinds1 or functions1 or causes of divine or human things2 you have thrown a great deal of light on our poets1 and altogether on ,latin literature and on ,latin expressions2 you have yourself composed a poem of varied beauties1 and elegant in almost every point2 and you have in many places touched upon philosophy in a manner sufficient to excite our curiosity1 though inadequate to instruct us4 ,you allege1 indeed1 a very plausible reason for this4 ,for1 you say1 those who are learned men will prefer reading philosophical treatises in ,greek1 and those who are ignorant of ,greek will not read them even in ,latin4 ,however1 tell me now1 do you really agree with your own argument8 ,i would rather say1 those who are unable to read them in the one language will read them in the other2 and even those who can read them in ,greek will not despise their own language4 ,for what reason can be imagined why men learned in ,greek literature should read the ,latin poets1 and not read the ,latin philosophers8 ,or again1 if ,ennius17#h7 ,pacuvius1 ,accius1 and many others who have given us1 ,i will not say the exact expressions1 but the meaning of the ,greeks1 delight their readers2 how much more will the philosophers delight them1 if1 as the poets have imitated schylus1 ,sophocles1 and ,euripides1 they in like manner imitate ,plato1 ,aristotle1 and ,theophrastus8 ,i see1 too1 that any orators among us are praised who imitate ,hyperides or ,demosthenes4 ,but ,i1 7for ,i will speak the plain truth17 as long as ambition and the pursuit of public honours and the pleading of causes1 and not a mere regard for the republic1 but even a certain degree of concern in its government1 entangled me in and hampered me with the numerous duties in which those occupations involved me2 ,i kept1 ,i say1 all these matters to myself1 and brushed them up1 when ,i could1 by reading1 to prevent their getting rusty4 ,but now1 having been stricken to the ground by a most severe blow of fortune1 and being discharged from all concern in the republic1 ,i seek a medicine for my sorrow in philosophy1 and consider this study the most honourable pastime for my leisure4 ,for ,i may look upon it as most suitable to my age1 and most especially consistent with any memorable exploits which ,i may have performed1 and inferior to no other occupation in its usefulness for the purpose of educating my fellow-countrymen4 ,or even if this be too high a view to take of it1 at all events ,i see nothing else which ,i can do4 ,my friend ,brutus1 indeed1 a man eminent for every kind of virtue1 has illustrated philosophy in the ,latin language in such a way that he has left ,greece nothing to wish for on those subjects4 ,and he adopts the same opinions that you do4 ,for he was for some time a pupil of ,aristus1 at ,athens1 whose brother ,antiochus was your own preceptor4 ,and therefore do you also1 ,i entreat you1 apply yourself to this kind of literature4 ,,iv4 ,then he replied4 ,i will indeed consider of these matters1 but only in your company4 ,but still1 said he1 what is this which ,i hear about you yourself8 ,on what subject8 said ,i4 ,why1 that the old system is deserted by you1 and that you have espoused the principles of the new school4 ,what of that8 said ,i4 ,why should ,antiochus1 my own intimate friend1 be more at liberty to return back again from the new school to the old1 than ,i myself to migrate to the new from the old8 ,for certainly everything that is most recent is corrected and amended in the highest degree2 although ,philo1 the master of ,antiochus1 a great man1 as you yourself consider him1 used to deny in his books that there were two ,academies 7and we ourselves have heard him assert the same things in his lectures72 and he convicts those who say that there are1 of palpable mistake4 ,it is as you say1 said he1 but ,i do not imagine that you are ignorant of what ,antiochus has written in reply to the arguments of ,philo4 ,certainly1 said ,i1 ,i am not1 and ,i should like to hear the whole cause of the ,old ,academy1 from which ,i have been so long absent1 recapitulated by you1 if it is not giving you too much trouble2 and let us sit down now1 if you have no objection4 ,that will suit me very well1 said he1 for ,i am not at all strong4 ,but let us consider whether ,atticus will be pleased with that compliance of mine1 which ,i see that you yourself are desirous of4 ,indeed ,i shall1 said he2 for what could ,i prefer to being reminded of what ,i long ago heard from ,antiochus1 and seeing at the same time whether those ideas can be expressed with sufficient suitableness in ,latin8 ,so after this preface we all sat down looking at one another4 ,and ,varro began as follows3-- ,socrates appears to me1 and indeed it is the universal opinion1 to have been the first person who drew philosophy away from matters of an abstruse character1 which had been shrouded in mystery by nature herself1 and in which all the philosophers before his time had been wholly occupied1 and to have diverted it to the objects of ordinary life2 directing its speculations to virtues and vices1 and generally to whatever was good or bad4 ,and he thought that the heavenly bodies were either far out of the reach of our knowledge1 or that1 even if we became ever so intimately acquainted with them1 they had no influence on living well4 ,in nearly all his discourses1 which have been reported in great variety and very fully by those who were his pupils1 he argues in such a manner that he affirms nothing himself1 but refutes the assertions of others4 ,he says that he knows nothing1 except that one fact1 that he is ignorant2 and that he is superior to others in this particular1 that they believe that they do know what they do not1 while he knows this one thing alone1 that he knows nothing4 ,and it is on that account that he imagines he was pronounced by ,apollo the wisest of all men1 because this alone is the whole of wisdom1 for a man not to think that he knows what he does not know4 ,and as he was always saying this1 and persisting in the maintenance of this opinion1 his discourse was entirely devoted to the praise of virtue1 and to encouraging all men to the study of virtue2 as may be plainly seen in the books of the disciples of ,socrates1 and above all in those of ,plato4 ,but by the influence of ,plato1 a man of vast and varied and eloquent genius1 a system of philosophy was established which was one and identical1 though under two names2 the system namely of the ,academics and ,peripatetics4 ,for these two schools agreed in reality1 and differed only in name4 ,for when ,plato had left ,speusippus1 his sister's son1 the inheritor as it were of his philosophy1 and also two pupils most eminent for industry and genius1 ,xenocrates of ,chalcedon1 and ,aristotle the ,stagirite2 those who adhered to ,aristotle were called ,peripatetics1 because they disputed while walking7#i7 in the ,lyceum4 ,and the others1 who according to the fashion of ,plato himself were accustomed to hold their meetings and discussions in the ,academy1 which is a second ,gymnasium1 took their name from the place where they used to meet4 ,but both these schools1 being impregnated with the copiousness of ,plato1 arranged a certain definite system of doctrine1 which was itself copious and luxuriant2 but abandoned the ,socratic plan of doubting on every subject1 and of discussing everything without ever venturing on the assertion of a positive opinion4 ,and thus there arose what ,socrates would have been far from approving of1 a certain art of philosophy1 and methodical arrangement1 and division of the school1 which at first1 as ,i have already said1 was one under two names4 ,for there was no real difference between the ,peripatetics and the old ,academy4 ,aristotle1 at least such is my opinion1 was superior in a certain luxuriance of genius2 but both schools had the same source1 and adopted the same division of things which were to be desired and avoided4 ,but what am ,i about8 said he1 interrupting himself2 am ,i in my senses while ,i am explaining these things to you8 for although it may not be exactly a case of the pig teaching ,minerva1 still it is not very wise of any one to attempt to impart instruction to that goddess4 ,v4 ,i entreat you however1 said ,atticus1 ,i entreat you to go on1 ,varro4 ,for ,i am greatly attached to my own countrymen and to their works2 and those subjects delight me beyond measure when they are treated in ,latin1 and in such a manner as you treat them4 ,and what1 said ,i1 do you think that ,i must feel1 who have already engaged to display philosophy to our nation8 ,let us then1 said he1 continue the subject1 since it is agreeable to you4 ,a threefold system of philosophising1 then1 was already received from ,plato4 ,one1 on the subject of life and morals4 ,a second1 on nature and abstruse matters4 ,the third1 on discussion1 and on what is true or false2 what is right or wrong in a discourse2 what is consistent or inconsistent in forming a decision4 ,and that first division of the subject1 that namely of living well1 they sought in nature herself1 and said that it was necessary to obey her2 and that that chief good to which everything was referred was not to be sought in anything whatever except in nature4 ,and they laid it down that the crowning point of all desirable things1 and the chief good1 was to have received from nature everything which is requisite for the mind1 or the body1 or for life4 ,but of the goods of the body1 they placed some in the whole1 and others in the parts4 ,health1 strength1 and beauty in the whole4 ,in the parts1 soundness of the senses1 and a certain excellence of the individual parts4 ,as in the feet1 swiftness2 in the hands1 strength2 in the voice1 clearness2 in the tongue1 a distinct articulation of words4 ,the excellences of the mind they considered those which were suitable to the comprehension of virtue by the disposition4 ,and those they divided under the separate heads of nature and morals4 ,quickness in learning and memory they attributed to nature2 each of which was described as a property of the mind and genius4 ,under the head of 8morals0 they classed our studies1 and1 ,i may say1 our habits1 which they formed1 partly by a continuity of practice1 partly by reason4 ,and in these two things was contained philosophy itself1 in which that which is begun and not brought to its completion1 is called a sort of advance towards virtue2 but that which is brought to completion is virtue1 being a sort of perfection of nature and of all things which they place in the mind2 the one most excellent thing4 ,these things then are qualities of the mind4 ,the third division was that of life4 ,and they said that those things which had influence in facilitating the practice of virtue were connected with this division4 ,for virtue is discerned in some good qualities of the mind and body1 which are added not so much to nature as to a happy life4 ,they thought that a man was as it were a certain part of the state1 and of the whole human race1 and that he was connected with other men by a sort of human society4 ,and this is the way in which they deal with the chief and natural good4 ,but they think that everything else is connected with it1 either in the way of increasing or of maintaining it2 as riches1 power1 glory1 and influence4 ,and thus a threefold division of goods is inferred by them4 ,,vi4 ,and these are those three kinds which most people believe the ,peripatetics speak of3 and so far they are not wrong2 for this division is the work of that school4 ,but they are mistaken if they think that the ,academicians--those at least who bore this name at that time--are different from the ,peripatetics4 ,the principle1 and the chief good asserted by both appeared to be the same--namely1 to attain those things which were in the first class by nature1 and which were intrinsically desirable2 the whole of them1 if possible1 or1 at all events1 the most important of them4 ,but those are the most important which exist in the mind itself1 and are conversant about virtue itself4 ,therefore1 all that ancient philosophy perceived that a happy life was placed in virtue alone2 and yet that it was not the happiest life possible1 unless the good qualities of the body were added to it1 and all the other things which have been already mentioned1 which are serviceable towards acquiring a habit of virtue4 ,from this definition of theirs1 a certain principle of action in life1 and of duty itself1 was discovered1 which consisted in the preservation of those things which nature might prescribe4 ,hence arose the avoidance of sloth1 and contempt of pleasures2 from which proceeded the willingness to encounter many and great labours and pains1 for the sake of what was right and honourable1 and of those things which are conformable to the objects of nature4 ,hence was generated friendship1 and justice1 and equity2 and these things were preferred to pleasure and to many of the advantages of life4 ,this was the system of morals recommended in their school1 and the method and design of that division which ,i have placed first4 ,but concerning nature 7for that came next71 they spoke in such a manner that they divided it into two parts1--making one efficient1 and the other lending itself1 as it were1 to the first1 as subject matter to be worked upon4 ,for that part which was efficient they thought there was power2 and in that which was made something by it they thought there was some matter2 and something of both in each4 ,for they considered that matter itself could have no cohesion1 unless it were held together by some power2 and that power could have none without some matter to work upon2 for that is nothing which is not necessarily somewhere4 ,but that which exists from a combination of the two they called at once body1 and a sort of quality1 as it were4 ,for you will give me leave1 in speaking of subjects which have not previously been in fashion1 to use at times words which have never been heard of 7which1 indeed1 is no more than the ,greeks themselves do1 who have been long in the habit of discussing these subjects74 ,,vii4 ,to be sure we will1 said ,atticus4 ,moreover1 you may even use ,greek words when you wish1 if by chance you should be at a loss for ,latin ones4 ,you are very kind2 but ,i will endeavour to express myself in ,latin1 except in the case of such words as these--philosophia1 rhetorica1 physica1 or dialectica1 which1 like many others1 fashion already sanctions1 as if they were ,latin4 ,i therefore have called those things qualitates 7qualities71 which the ,greeks call --a word which1 even among the ,greeks1 is not one in ordinary use1 but is confined to philosophers4 ,and the same rule applies to many other expressions4 ,as for the ,dialecticians1 they have no terms in common use3 they use technical terms entirely4 ,and the case is the same with nearly every art2 for men must either invent new names for new things1 or else borrow them from other subjects4 ,and if the ,greeks do this1 who have now been engaged in such matters for so many ages1 how much more ought this licence to be allowed to us1 who are now endeavouring to deal with these subjects for the first time8 ,but1 said ,i1 ,o ,varro1 it appears to me that you will deserve well of your fellow-countrymen1 if you enrich them1 not only with an abundance of new things1 as you have done1 but also of words4 ,we will venture1 then1 said he1 to employ new terms1 if it be necessary1 armed with your authority and sanction4 ,of these qualities1 then1 said he1 some are principal ones1 and others arise out of them4 ,the principal ones are of one character and simple2 but those which arise out of them are various1 and1 as it were1 multiform4 ,therefore1 air 7we use the ,greek word as ,latin71 fire1 water1 and earth are principal ones2 and out of them there arise the forms of living creatures1 and of those things which are produced out of the earth4 ,therefore1 those first are called principles and 7to translate the ,greek word7 elements3 from which air and fire have the power of movement and efficiency3 the other divisions--,i mean1 water and the earth--have the power of receiving1 and1 as it were1 of suffering4 ,the fifth class1 from which the stars and winds were formed1 ,aristotle considered to be a separate essence1 and different from those four which ,i have mentioned above4 ,but they think that there is placed under all of these a certain matter without any form1 and destitute of all quality 7for we may as well1 by constant use1 make this word more usual and notorious71 from which all things are sketched out and made2 which can receive everything in its entirety1 and can be changed in every manner and in every part4 ,and also that it perishes1 not so as to become nothing1 but so as to be dissolved with its component parts1 which again are able to be cut up and divided1 ad infinitum2 since there is absolutely nothing in the whole nature of things which cannot be divided3 and those things which are moved1 are all moved at intervals1 which intervals again are capable of being infinitely divided4 ,and1 since that power which we have called quality is moved in this way1 and is agitated in every direction1 they think also that the whole of matter is itself entirely changed1 and so that those things are produced which they call qualities1 from which the world is made1 in universal nature1 cohering together and connected with all its divisions2 and1 out of the world1 there is no such thing as any portion of matter or any body4 ,and they say that the parts of the world are all the things which exist in it1 and which are maintained by sentient nature2 in which perfect reason is placed1 which is also everlasting3 for that there is nothing more powerful which can be the cause of its dissolution4 ,and this power they call the soul of the world1 and also its intellect and perfect wisdom4 ,and they call it ,god1 a providence watching over everything subject to its dominion1 and1 above all1 over the heavenly bodies2 and1 next to them1 over those things on earth which concern men3 which also they sometimes call necessity1 because nothing can be done in a manner different from that in which it has been arranged by it in a destined 7if ,i may so say7 and inevitable continuation of eternal order4 ,sometimes1 too1 they call it fortune1 because it brings about many unforeseen things1 which have never been expected by us1 on account of the obscurity of their causes1 and our ignorance of them4 ,,viii4 ,the third part of philosophy1 which is next in order1 being conversant about reason and discussion1 was thus handled by both schools4 ,they said that1 although it originated in the senses1 still the power of judging of the truth was not in the senses4 ,they insisted upon it that intellect was the judge of things4 ,they thought that the only thing deserving of belief1 because it alone discerned that which was always simple and uniform1 and which perceived its real character4 ,this they call idea1 having already received this name from ,plato2 and we properly entitle it species4 ,but they thought that all the senses were dull and slow1 and that they did not by any means perceive those things which appeared subjected to the senses2 which were either so small as to be unable to come under the notice of sense1 or so moveable and rapid that none of them was ever one consistent thing1 nor even the same thing1 because everything was in a continual state of transition and disappearance4 ,and therefore they called all this division of things one resting wholly on opinion4 ,but they thought that science had no existence anywhere except in the notions and reasonings of the mind2 on which account they approved of the definitions of things1 and employed them on everything which was brought under discussion4 ,the explanation of words also was approved of--that is to say1 the explanation of the cause why everything was named as it was2 and that they called etymology4 ,afterwards they used arguments1 and1 as it were1 marks of things1 for the proof and conclusion of what they wished to have explained2 in which the whole system of dialectics--that is to say1 of an oration brought to its conclusion by ratiocination1 was handed down4 ,and to this there was added1 as a kind of second part1 the oratorical power of speaking1 which consists in developing a continued discourse1 composed in a manner adapted to produce conviction4 ,,ix4 ,this was the first philosophy handed down to them by ,plato4 ,and if you like ,i will explain to you those discussions which have originated in it4 ,indeed1 said ,i1 we shall be glad if you will2 and ,i can answer for ,atticus as well as for myself4 ,you are quite right1 said he2 for the doctrine both of the ,peripatetics and of the old ,academy is most admirably explained4 ,aristotle1 then1 was the first to undermine the doctrine of species1 which ,i have just now mentioned1 and which ,plato had embraced in a wonderful manner2 so that he even affirmed that there was something divine in it4 ,but ,theophrastus1 a man of very delightful eloquence1 and of such purity of morals that his probity and integrity were notorious to all men1 broke down more vigorously still the authority of the old school2 for he stripped virtue of its beauty1 and made it powerless1 by denying that to live happily depended solely on it4 ,for ,strato1 his pupil1 although a man of brilliant abilities1 must still be excluded entirely from that school2 for1 having deserted that most indispensable part of philosophy which is placed in virtue and morals1 and having devoted himself wholly to the investigation of nature1 he by that very conduct departs as widely as possible from his companions4 ,but ,speusippus and ,xenocrates1 who were the earliest supporters of the system and authority of ,plato1--and1 after them1 ,polemo and ,crates1 and at the same time ,crantor1--being all collected together in the ,academy1 diligently maintained those doctrines which they had received from their predecessors4 ,zeno and ,arcesilas had been diligent attenders on ,polemo2 but ,zeno1 who preceded ,arcesilas in point of time1 and argued with more subtilty1 and was a man of the greatest acuteness1 attempted to correct the system of that school4 ,and1 if you like1 ,i will explain to you the way in which he set about that correction1 as ,antiochus used to explain it4 ,indeed1 said ,i1 ,i shall be very glad to hear you do so2 and you see that ,pomponius intimates the same wish4 ,x4 ,zeno1 then1 was not at all a man like ,theophrastus1 to cut through the sinews of virtue2 but1 on the other hand1 he was one who placed everything which could have any effect in producing a happy life in virtue alone1 and who reckoned nothing else a good at all1 and who called that honourable which was single in its nature1 and the sole and only good4 ,but as for all other things1 although they were neither good nor bad1 he divided them1 calling some according to1 and others contrary to nature4 ,there were others which he looked upon as placed between these two classes1 and which he called intermediate4 ,those which were according to nature1 he taught his disciples1 deserved to be taken1 and to be considered worthy of a certain esteem4 ,to those which were contrary to nature1 he assigned a contrary character2 and those of the intermediate class he left as neutrals1 and attributed to them no importance whatever4 ,but of those which he said ought to be taken1 he considered some worthy of a higher estimation and others of a less4 ,those which were worthy of a higher esteem1 he called preferred2 those which were only worthy of a lower degree1 he called rejected4 ,and as he had altered all these things1 not so much in fact as in name1 so too he defined some actions as intermediate1 lying between good deeds and sins1 between duty and a violation of duty2--classing things done rightly as good actions1 and things done wrongly 7that is to say1 sins7 as bad actions4 ,and several duties1 whether discharged or neglected1 he considered of an intermediate character1 as ,i have already said4 ,and whereas his predecessors had not placed every virtue in reason1 but had said that some virtues were perfected by nature1 or by habit1 he placed them all in reason2 and while they thought that those kinds of virtues which ,i have mentioned above could be separated1 he asserted that that could not be done in any manner1 and affirmed that not only the practice of virtue 7which was the doctrine of his predecessors71 but the very disposition to it1 was intrinsically beautiful2 and that virtue could not possibly be present to any one without his continually practising it4 ,and while they did not entirely remove all perturbation of mind from man1 7for they admitted that man did by nature grieve1 and desire1 and fear1 and become elated by joy17 but only contracted it1 and reduced it to narrow bounds2 he maintained that the wise man was wholly free from all these diseases as they might be called4 ,and as the ancients said that those perturbations were natural1 and devoid of reason1 and placed desire in one part of the mind and reason in another1 he did not agree with them either2 for he thought that all perturbations were voluntary1 and were admitted by the judgment of the opinion1 and that a certain unrestrained intemperance was the mother of all of them4 ,and this is nearly what he laid down about morals4 ,,xi4 ,but about natures he held these opinions4 ,in the first place1 he did not connect this fifth nature1 out of which his predecessors thought that sense and intellect were produced1 with those four principles of things4 ,for he laid it down that fire is that nature which produces everything1 and intellect1 and sense4 ,but he differed from them again1 inasmuch as he thought it absolutely impossible for anything to be produced from that nature which was destitute of body2 which was the character attributed by ,xenocrates and his predecessors to the mind1 and he would not allow that that which produced anything1 or which was produced by anything1 could possibly be anything except body4 ,but he made a great many alterations in that third part of his philosophy1 in which1 first of all1 he said some new things of the senses themselves3 which he considered to be united by some impulse as it were1 acting upon them from without1 which he called 1 and which we may term perception4 ,and let us recollect this word1 for we shall have frequent occasion to employ it in the remainder of our discourse2 but to these things which are perceived1 and as it were accepted by the senses1 he adds the assent of the mind1 which he considers to be placed in ourselves and voluntary4 ,he did not give credit to everything which is perceived1 but only to those which contain some especial character of those things which are seen2 but he pronounced what was seen1 when it was discerned on account of its own power1 comprehensible--will you allow me this word8 ,certainly1 said ,atticus1 for how else are you to express 8 ,but after it had been received and approved1 then he called it comprehension1 resembling those things which are taken up 7prehenduntur7 in the hand2 from which verb also he derived this noun1 though no one else had ever used this verb with reference to such matters2 and he also used many new words1 for he was speaking of new things4 ,but that which was comprehended by sense he called felt 7sensum17 and if it was so comprehended that it could not be eradicated by reason1 he called it knowledge2 otherwise he called it ignorance3 from which also was engendered opinion1 which was weak1 and compatible with what was false or unknown4 ,but between knowledge and ignorance he placed that comprehension which ,i have spoken of1 and reckoned it neither among what was right or what was wrong1 but said that it alone deserved to be trusted4 ,and from this he attributed credit also to the senses1 because1 as ,i have said above1 comprehension made by the senses appeared to him to be true and trustworthy4 ,not because it comprehended all that existed in a thing1 but because it left out nothing which could affect it1 and because nature had given it to us to be as it were a rule of knowledge1 and a principle from which subsequently all notions of things might be impressed on our minds1 from which not only principles1 but some broader paths to the discovery of reason are found out4 ,but error1 and rashness1 and ignorance1 and opinion1 and suspicion1 and in a word everything which was inconsistent with a firm and consistent assent1 he discarded from virtue and wisdom4 ,and it is in these things that nearly all the disagreement between ,zeno and his predecessors1 and all his alteration of their system consists4 ,,xii4 ,and when he had spoken thus--,you have1 said ,i1 ,o ,varro1 explained the principles both of the ,old ,academy and of the ,stoics with brevity1 but also with great clearness4 ,but ,i think it to be true1 as ,antiochus1 a great friend of mine1 used to assert1 that it is to be considered rather as a corrected edition of the ,old ,academy1 than as any new sect4 ,then ,varro replied--,it is your part now1 who revolt from the principles of the ancients1 and who approve of the innovations which have been made by ,arcesilas1 to explain what that division of the two schools which he made was1 and why he made it2 so that we may see whether that revolt of his was justifiable4 ,then ,i replied--,arcesilas1 as we understand1 directed all his attacks against ,zeno1 not out of obstinacy or any desire of gaining the victory1 as it appears to me1 but by reason of the obscurity of those things which had brought ,socrates to the confession of ignorance1 and even before ,socrates1 ,democritus1 ,anaxagoras1 ,empedocles1 and nearly all the ancients2 who asserted that nothing could be ascertained1 or perceived1 or known3 that the senses of man were narrow1 his mind feeble1 the course of his life short1 and that truth1 as ,democritus said1 was sunk in the deep2 that everything depended on opinions and established customs2 that nothing was left to truth4 ,they said in short1 that everything was enveloped in darkness2 therefore ,arcesilas asserted that there was nothing which could be known1 not even that very piece of knowledge which ,socrates had left himself4 ,thus he thought that everything lay hid in secret1 and that there was nothing which could be discerned or understood2 for which reasons it was not right for any one to profess or affirm anything1 or sanction anything by his assent1 but men ought always to restrain their rashness and to keep it in check so as to guard it against every fall4 ,for rashness would be very remarkable when anything unknown or false was approved of2 and nothing could be more discreditable than for a man's assent and approbation to precede his knowledge and perception of a fact4 ,and he used to act consistently with these principles1 so as to pass most of his days in arguing against every one's opinion1 in order that when equally important reasons were found for both sides of the same question1 the judgment might more naturally be suspended1 and prevented from giving assent to either4 ,this they call the ,new ,academy1 which however appears to me to be the old one1 if1 at least1 we reckon ,plato as one of that ,old ,academy4 ,for in his books nothing is affirmed positively1 and many arguments are allowed on both sides of a question2 everything is investigated1 and nothing positive affirmed4 ,still let the school whose principles ,i have explained1 be called the ,old ,academy1 and this other the ,new2 which1 having continued to the time of ,carneades1 who was the fourth in succession after ,arcesilas1 continued in the same principles and system as ,arcesilas4 ,but ,carneades1 being a man ignorant of no part of philosophy1 and1 as ,i have learnt from those who had been his pupils1 and particularly from ,zeno the ,epicurean1 who1 though he greatly differed from him in opinion1 still admired him above all other men1 was also a person of incredible abilities444 ,the rest of this ,book is lost4 ,,second ,,book ,,of ,,the ,,academic ,,questions4 ,i4 ,lucius ,lucullus was a man of great genius1 and very much devoted to the study of the most important arts2 every branch of liberal learning worthy of a man of high birth1 was thoroughly understood by him2 but at the time when he might have made the greatest figure in the forum1 he was wholly removed from all participation in the business of the city4 ,for while he was very young1 he1 uniting with his brother1 a man of equal sense of duty and diligence with himself1 followed up the quarrel7#aj7 bequeathed to him by his father to his own exceeding credit2 afterwards having gone as qustor into ,asia1 he there governed the province for many years with great reputation4 ,subsequently he was made dile in his absence1 and immediately after that he was elected prtor2 for his services had been rewarded by an express law authorizing his election at a period earlier than usual4 ,after that he was sent into ,africa2 from thence he proceeded to the consulship1 the duties of which he discharged in such a manner1 that every one admired his diligence1 and recognised his genius4 ,afterwards he was sent by the ,senate to conduct the war against ,mithridates1 and there he not only surpassed the universal expectation which every one had formed of his valour1 but even the glory of his predecessors4 ,and that was the more admirable in him1 because great skill as a general was not very much looked for in one who had spent his youth in the occupations of the forum1 and the duration of his qustorship in peace in ,asia1 while ,murena was carrying on the war in ,pontus4 ,but the incredible greatness of his genius did not require the aid of experience1 which can never be taught by precepts4 ,therefore1 having devoted the whole time occupied in his march and his voyage1 partly to making inquiries of those who were skilful in such matters1 and partly in reading the accounts of great achievements1 he arrived in ,asia a perfect general1 though he had left ,rome entirely ignorant of military affairs4 ,for he had an almost divine memory for facts1 though ,hortensius had a better one for words4 ,but as in performing great deeds1 facts are of more consequence than words1 this memory of his was the more serviceable of the two2 and they say1 that the same quality was conspicuous in ,themistocles1 whom we consider beyond all comparison the first man in ,greece4 ,and a story is told of him1 that1 when some one promised to teach him the art of memory1 which was then beginning to be cultivated1 he answered1 that he should much prefer learning to forget2 ,i suppose1 because everything which he had either heard or seen stuck in his memory4 ,lucullus having this great genius1 added to it that study which ,themistocles had despised3 therefore1 as we write down in letters what we wish to commit to monuments1 he1 in like manner1 had the facts engraved in his mind4 ,therefore1 he was a general of such perfect skill in every kind of war1 in battles1 and sieges1 and naval fights1 and in the whole equipment and management of war1 that that king1 the greatest that has ever lived since the time of ,alexander1 confessed1 that he considered him a greater general than any one of whom he had ever read4 ,he also displayed such great prudence in arranging and regulating the affairs of the different cities1 and such great justice too1 that to this very day1 ,asia is preserved by the careful maintenance of the regulations1 and by following as it were in the footsteps of ,lucullus4 ,but although it was greatly to the advantage of the republic1 still that great virtue and genius was kept abroad at a distance from the eyes both of the forum and the senate-house1 for a longer time than ,i could have wished4 ,moreover1 when he had returned victorious from the war against ,mithridates1 owing to the calumnies of his adversaries1 he did not celebrate his triumph till three years later than he ought to have done4 ,for ,i may almost say1 that ,i myself when consul led into the city the chariot of that most illustrious man1 and ,i might enlarge upon the great advantage that his counsel and authority were to me1 in the most critical circumstances1 if it were not that to do so would compel me to speak of myself1 which at this moment is not necessary4 ,therefore1 ,i will rather deprive him of the testimony due to him1 than mix it up now with a commendation of myself4 ,,ii4 ,but as for those exploits of ,lucullus1 which were entitled to be celebrated by the praises of the nation1 they have been extolled both in ,greek and ,latin writings4 ,for those outward exploits of his are known to us in common with the multitude2 but his interior excellences 7if ,i may so call them7 we and a few of his friends have learnt from himself4 ,for ,lucullus used to apply himself to every kind of literature1 and especially to philosophy1 with greater eagerness than those who were not acquainted with him believed4 ,and he did so1 not only at his first entrance into life1 but also when he was proqustor1 as he was for several years1 and even during the time of war itself1 a time when men are usually so fully occupied with their military business1 that very little leisure is left to the general1 even in his own tent4 ,and as of all the philosophers of that day1 ,antiochus1 who had been a pupil of ,philo1 was thought to excel in genius and learning1 he kept him about him while he was qustor1 and some years afterwards when he was general4 ,and as he had that extraordinary memory which ,i have mentioned already1 by hearing frequently of things1 he arrived at a thorough acquaintance with them2 as he recollected everything that he had heard of only once4 ,and he was wonderfully delighted in the reading books of which he heard any one speak4 ,and ,i sometimes fear lest ,i may even diminish the glory of such characters as his1 even while wishing to enhance it2 for there are many people who are altogether averse to ,greek literature1 still more who have a dislike to philosophy1 and men in general1 even though they do not positively disapprove of them1 still think the discussion of such matters not altogether suitable for the chiefs of the state4 ,but ,i1 having heard that ,marcus ,cato learnt ,greek in his old age1 and learning from history that ,pantius was above all other men the chosen companion of ,publius ,africanus1 in that noble embassy which he was employed on before he entered on the censorship1 think ,i have no need of any other instance to justify his study of ,greek literature or of philosophy4 ,it remains for me to reply to those men who disapprove of such dignified characters being mixed up in discussions of this sort2 as if the meetings of illustrious men were bound to be passed in silence1 or their conversation to be confined to jesting1 and all the topics to be drawn from trifling subjects4 ,in truth1 if in any one of my writings ,i have given philosophy its due praise1 then surely its discussion is thoroughly worthy of every excellent and honourable man2 nor is anything else necessary to be taken care of by us1 whom the ,roman people has placed in our present rank1 except that we do not devote to our private pursuits1 the time which ought to be bestowed on the affairs of the public4 ,but if1 while we are bound to discharge our duties1 we still not only never omit to give our assistance in all public meetings1 but never even write a single word unconnected with the forum1 who then will blame our leisure1 because even in that moment we are unwilling to allow ourselves to grow rusty and stupid1 but take pains rather to benefit as many people as possible8 ,and ,i think1 that not only is the glory of those men not diminished1 but that it is even increased by our adding to their popular and notorious praises these also which are less known and less spoken of4 ,some people also deny that those men who are introduced in our writings as disputants had any knowledge of those affairs which are the subjects of discussion4 ,but they appear to me to be showing their envy1 not only of the living but also of the dead4 ,,iii4 ,there remains one class of critics who disapprove of the general principles of the ,academy4 ,which we should be more concerned at if any one approved of any school of philosophy except that which he himself followed4 ,but we1 since we are in the habit of arguing against every one who appears to himself to know anything1 cannot object to others also dissenting from us4 ,although our side of the question is an easier one1 since we wish to discover the truth without any dispute1 and we seek for that with the greatest anxiety and diligence4 ,for although all knowledge is beset with many difficulties1 and there is that obscurity in the things themselves and that infirmity in our own judgment1 that it is not without reason that the most learned and ancient philosophers have distrusted their power of discovering what they wished2 yet they have not been deficient in any respect1 nor do we allow ourselves to abandon the pursuit of truth through fatigue2 nor have our discussions ever any other object except that of1 by arguing on each side1 eliciting1 and as it were1 squeezing out something which may either be the truth itself1 or may at least come as near as possible to it4 ,nor is there any difference between us and those people who fancy that they know something1 except that they do not doubt at all that those doctrines which they uphold are the truth1 while we account many things as probable which we can adopt as our belief1 but can hardly positively affirm4 ,and in this we are more free and unfettered than they are1 because our power of judging is unimpeached1 and because we are not compelled by any necessity to defend theories which are laid upon as injunctions1 and1 if ,i may say so1 as commands4 ,for in the first place1 those of the other schools have been bound hand and foot before they were able to judge what was best2 and1 secondly1 before their age or their understanding had come to maturity1 they have either followed the opinion of some friend1 or been charmed by the eloquence of some one who was the first arguer whom they ever heard1 and so have been led to form a judgment on what they did not understand1 and now they cling to whatever school they were1 as it were1 dashed against in a tempest1 like sailors clinging to a rock4 ,for as to their statement that they are wholly trusting to one whom they judge to have been a wise man1 ,i should approve of that if that were a point which they1 while ignorant and unlearned1 were able to judge of1 7for to decide who is a wise man appears to me most especially the task of one who is himself wise47 ,but they have either formed their opinion as well as they could from a hearing of all the circumstances1 and also from a knowledge of the opinions of philosophers of all the other schools2 or else1 having heard the matter mentioned once1 they have surrendered themselves to the guidance of some one individual4 ,but1 ,i know not how it is1 most people prefer being in error1 and defending with the utmost pugnacity that opinion which they have taken a fancy to1 to inquiring without any obstinacy what is said with the greatest consistency4 ,and these subjects were very frequently and very copiously discussed by us at other times1 and once also in the villa of ,hortensius1 which is at ,bauli1 when ,catulus1 and ,lucullus1 and ,i myself had arrived there the day after we had been staying with ,catulus4 ,and we had come thither rather early in the day1 because we had intended1 if the wind was fair1 to set sail1 ,lucullus for his villa near ,naples1 and ,i myself towards mine1 in the district of ,pompeii4 ,when1 therefore1 we had had a short conversation on the terrace1 we sat down where we were4 ,,iv4 ,then ,catulus said1--,although what we were inquiring into yesterday was almost wholly explained in such a manner that nearly the whole question appears to have been discussed1 still ,i long to hear what you promised to tell us1 ,lucullus1 as being what you had learnt from ,antiochus4 ,i1 indeed1 said ,hortensius1 did more than ,i intended1 for the whole matter ought to have been left untouched for ,lucullus1 and indeed1 perhaps it was3 for ,i only said such things as occurred to me at the moment2 but ,i hope to hear something more recondite from ,lucullus4 ,lucullus rejoined1 ,i am not much troubled1 ,hortensius1 at your expectation1 although there is nothing so unfavourable for those who wish to give pleasure2 but still1 as ,i am not very anxious about how far ,i can prove to your satisfaction the arguments which ,i advance1 ,i am the less disturbed4 ,for the arguments which ,i am going to repeat are not my own1 nor such that1 if they are incorrect1 ,i should not prefer being defeated to gaining the victory2 but1 in truth1 as the case stands at present1 although the doctrines of my school were somewhat shaken in yesterday's discussion1 still they do seem to me to be wholly true4 ,i will therefore argue as ,antiochus used to argue2 for the subject is one with which ,i am well acquainted4 ,for ,i used to listen to his lectures with a mind quite unengaged1 and with great pleasure1 and1 moreover1 he frequently discussed the same subject over again2 so that you have some grounds for expecting more from me than you had from ,hortensius a little while ago4 ,when he had begun in this manner we prepared to listen with great attention4 ,and he spoke thus3--,when ,i was at ,alexandria1 as proqustor1 ,antiochus was with me1 and before my arrival1 ,heraclitus1 of ,tyre1 a friend of ,antiochus1 had already settled in ,alexandria1 a man who had been for many years a pupil of ,clitomachus and of ,philo1 and who had a great and deserved reputation in that school1 which having been almost utterly discarded1 is now coming again into fashion2 and ,i used often to hear ,antiochus arguing with him2 but they both conducted their discussions with great gentleness4 ,and just at that time those two books of ,philo which were yesterday mentioned by ,catulus had been brought to ,alexandria1 and had for the first time come under the notice of ,antiochus2 and he1 though naturally a man of the mildest disposition1 7nor indeed was it possible for any one to be more peaceable than he was17 was nevertheless a little provoked4 ,i was surprised1 for ,i had never seen him so before3 but he1 appealing to the recollection of ,heraclitus1 began to inquire of him whether he had seen those works of ,philo1 or whether he had heard the doctrines contained in them1 either from ,philo or from any one else of the ,academic school8 ,and he said that he had not2 however1 he recognised the style of ,philo1 nor1 indeed1 could there be any doubt about it2 for some friends of mine1 men of great learning1 ,publius and ,caius ,setilius1 and ,tetrilius ,rogus were present1 who said that they heard ,philo advance such operations at ,rome2 and who said that they had written out those two books from his dictation4 ,then ,antiochus repeated what ,catulus mentioned yesterday1 as having been said to ,philo by his father1 and many other things besides2 nor did he forbear even to publish a book against his own master1 which is called 8,sosus40 ,i therefore1 then1 as ,i was much interested in hearing ,heraclitus arguing against ,antiochus1 and ,antiochus against the ,academicians1 paid great attention to ,antiochus1 in order to learn the whole matter from him4 ,accordingly1 for many days1 collecting together ,heraclitus and several learned men1 and among them ,aristus1 the brother of ,antiochus1 and also ,ariston and ,dion1 men whom he considered only second to his brother in genius1 we devoted a great deal of time to that single discussion4 ,but we must pass over that part of it which was bestowed on refuting the doctrines of ,philo2 for he is a less formidable adversary1 who altogether denies that the ,academicians advance those arguments which were maintained yesterday4 ,for although he is quite wrong as to the fact1 still he is a less invincible adversary4 ,let us speak of ,arcesilas and ,carneades4 ,v4 ,and having said this1 he began again3--,you appear to me1 in the first place1 7and he addressed me by name17 when you speak of the old natural philosophers1 to do the same thing that seditious citizens are in the habit of doing when they bring forward some illustrious men of the ancients1 who they say were friends of the people1 in the hope of being themselves considered like them4 ,they go back to ,publius ,valerius1 who was consul the first year after the expulsion of the kings4 ,they enumerate all the other men who have passed laws for the advantage of the people concerning appeals when they were consuls2 and then they come down to these better known men1 ,caius ,flaminius1 who1 as tribune of the people1 passed an ,agrarian law some years before the second ,punic war1 against the will of the senate1 and who was afterwards twice elected consul2 to ,lucius ,cassius and ,quintus ,pompeius2 they are also in the habit of classing ,publius ,africanus in the same list2 and they assert that those two brothers of infinite wisdom and exceeding glory1 ,publius ,crassus and ,publius ,scvola1 were the advisers of ,tiberius ,gracchus1 in the matter of the laws which he proposed2 the one1 indeed1 as we see1 openly2 the other1 as we suspect1 in a more concealed manner4 ,they add also ,caius ,marius2 and with respect to him they speak truly enough3 then1 having recounted the names of so many illustrious men1 they say that they are acting up to their principles4 ,in like manner1 you1 when you are seeking to overturn a well-established system of philosophy1 in the same way as those men endeavoured to overturn the republic1 bring forward the names of ,empedocles1 ,anaxagoras1 ,democritus1 ,parmenides1 ,xenophanes1 and even ,plato and ,socrates4 ,but ,saturninus1 7that ,i may name my own enemy rather than any one else17 had nothing in him resembling those ancient men2 nor are the ungrounded accusations of ,arcesilas to be compared to the modesty of ,democritus4 ,and yet those natural philosophers1 though very seldom1 when they have any very great difficulty1 make loud and violent outcries1 as if under the influence of some great excitement1 ,empedocles1 indeed1 does so to such a degree1 that he appears to me at times to be mad1 crying out that all things are hidden1 that we feel nothing1 see nothing1 and cannot find out the true character of anything whatever4 ,but for the most part all those men appear to me to affirm some things rather too positively1 and to profess that they know more than they really do know4 ,but if they then hesitated while discussing new subjects1 like children lately born1 are we for that reason to think that nothing has been explained in so many ages by the greatest genius and the most untiring industry8 ,may we not say that1 after the establishment of some wise and important schools of philosophy1 then1 as ,tiberius ,gracchus arose in an excellent constitution1 for the purpose of throwing everything into confusion1 so ,arcesilas rose up to overturn the established philosophy1 and to shelter himself under the authority of those men who asserted that nothing could be known or perceived2 in which number we ought not to include ,plato or ,socrates2 the one because he left behind him a most perfect school1 namely1 the ,peripatetics and ,academics1 differing in name1 but agreeing in all substantial matters3 and from whom the ,stoics themselves differ in words rather than in opinions4 ,but ,socrates1 who always disparaged himself in arguing1 attributed more knowledge to those whom he wished to refute4 ,so1 as he was speaking differently from what he really thought1 he was fond of using that kind of dissimulation which the ,greeks call 2 which ,fannius says ,africanus also was in the habit of indulging in1 and that that ought not be considered a bad habit in him1 as it was a favourite practice of ,socrates4 ,,vi4 ,but1 however1 we will allow1 if you like1 that all those things were unknown to the ancients3--was nothing effected then1 by their being thoroughly investigated1 after that ,arcesilas1 disparaging ,zeno1 7for that is supposed to have been his object17 as discovering nothing new1 but only correcting previous changes of names1 while seeking to upset his definitions1 had attempted to envelop the clearest possible matters in darkness8 ,and his system1 which was at first not at all approved of1 although it was illustrated both by acute genius and by an admirable wittiness of language1 was in the next generation adopted by no one but ,lacydes2 but subsequently it was perfected by ,carneades1 who was the fourth in succession from ,arcesilas2 for he was the pupil of ,hegesinus1 who had been the pupil of ,evander1 the disciple of ,lacydes1 and ,lacydes himself had been the pupil of ,arcesilas2 but ,carneades maintained it for a long time1 for he lived ninety years2 and those who had been his pupils had a very high reputation1 of whom ,clitomachus displayed the most industry1 as the number of books which he composed testifies2 nor was there less brilliancy of genius in him than there was of eloquence in ,charmadas1 or of sweetness in ,melanthius of ,rhodes4 ,but ,metrodorus of ,stratonice was thought to be the one who had the most thorough understanding of ,carneades4 ,and your friend ,philo attended the lectures of ,clitomachus for many years2 but as long as ,philo was alive the ,academy was never in want of a head4 ,but the business that we now propose to ourselves1 of arguing against the ,academicians1 appears to some philosophers1 and those1 too1 men of no ordinary calibre1 to be a thing that ought not to be done at all2 and they think that there is no sense at all in1 and no method of disputing with men who approve of nothing2 and they blame ,antipater1 the ,stoic1 who was very fond of doing so1 and say that there is no need of laying down exact definitions of what knowledge is1 or perception1 or1 if we want to render word for word1 comprehension1 which they call 2 and they say that those who wish to persuade men that there is anything which can be comprehended and perceived1 are acting ignorantly2 because there is nothing clearer than 1 as the ,greeks call it1 and which we may call perspicuity1 or evidentness if you like1--coining words1 if you will permit us to do so1 that this fellow 7meaning me7 may not think that he is the only person to whom such liberties are permitted4 ,still they thought that no discourse could be found which should be more intelligible than evidentness itself2 and they thought that there was no need of defining things which were so clear4 ,but others declared that they would never be the first to speak in behalf of this evidentness2 but they thought that a reply ought to be made to those arguments which were advanced against it1 to prevent any one being deceived by them4 ,there are also many men who do not disapprove of the definitions of the evident things themselves1 and who think the subject one worthy of being inquired into1 and the men worthy of being argued with4 ,but ,philo1 while he raises some new questions1 because he was scarcely able to withstand the things which were said against the obstinacy of the ,academicians1 speaks falsely1 without disguise1 as he was reproached for doing by the elder ,catulus2 and also1 as ,antiochus told him1 falls into the very trap of which he was afraid4 ,for as he asserted that there was nothing which could be comprehended1 7for that is what we conceive to be meant by 17 if that was1 as ,zeno defined it1 such a perception1 7for we have already spent time enough yesterday in beating out a word for 17 then a perception was extracted and produced out of that from which it originated1 such as could be produced from that from which it did not originate4 ,and we say that this matter was most excellently defined by ,zeno2 for how can anything be comprehended1 so that you may feel absolutely sure that it has been perceived and known1 which is of such a character that it is even possible that it may be false8 ,now when ,philo upsets and denies this1 he takes away also all distinction between what is known and unknown2 from which it follows that nothing can be comprehended2 and so1 without intending it1 he is brought back to the point he least intended4 ,wherefore1 all this discourse against the ,academy is undertaken by us in order that we may retain that definition which ,philo wished to overturn2 and unless we succeed in that1 we grant that nothing can be perceived4 ,,vii4 ,let us begin then with the senses--the judgments of which are so clear and certain1 that if an option were given to our nature1 and if some god were to ask of it whether it is content with its own unimpaired and uncorrupted senses1 or whether it desires something better1 ,i do not see what more it could ask for4 ,nor while speaking on this topic need you wait while ,i reply to the illustration drawn from a bent oar1 or the neck of a dove2 for ,i am not a man to say that everything which seems is exactly of that character of which it seems to be4 ,epicurus may deal with this idea1 and with many others2 but in my opinion there is the very greatest truth in the senses1 if they are in sound and healthy order1 and if everything is removed which could impede or hinder them4 ,therefore we often wish the light to be changed1 or the situation of those things which we are looking at2 and we either narrow or enlarge distances2 and we do many things until our sight causes us to feel confidence in our judgment4 ,and the same thing takes place with respect to sounds1 and smell1 and taste1 so that there is not one of us who1 in each one of his senses1 requires a more acute judgment as to each sort of thing4 ,but when practice and skill are added1 so that one's eyes are charmed by a picture1 and one's ears by songs1 who is there who can fail to see what great power there is in the senses8 ,how many things do painters see in shadows and in projections which we do not see8 ,how many beauties which escape us in music are perceived by those who are practised in that kind of accomplishment8 men who1 at the first note of the flute-player1 say1--,that is the ,antiope1 or the ,andromache1 when we have not even a suspicion of it4 ,there is no need for me to speak of the faculties of taste or smell2 organs in which there is a degree of intelligence1 however faulty it may be4 ,why should ,i speak of touch1 and of that kind of touch which philosophers call the inner one1 ,i mean the touch of pleasure or pain8 in which alone the ,cyrenaics think that there is any judgment of the truth1 because pleasure or pain are felt4 ,can any one then say that there is no difference between a man who is in pain and a man who is in pleasure8 or can any one think that a man who entertains this opinion is not flagrantly mad8 ,but such as those things are which we say are perceived by the senses1 such also are those things which are said to be perceived1 not by the senses themselves1 but by the senses after a fashion2 as these things--that is white1 this is sweet1 that is tuneful1 this is fragrant1 that is rough4 ,we have these ideas already comprehended by the mind1 not by the senses4 ,again1 this is a house1 that is a dog4 ,then the rest of the series follows1 connecting the more important links2 such as these1 which embrace1 as it were1 the full comprehension of things2--,if he is a man1 he is a mortal animal partaking of reason3--from which class of arguments the notions of things are impressed upon us1 without which nothing can be understood1 nor inquired into1 nor discussed4 ,but if those notions were false1 7for you seemed to me to translate notions17 if1 ,i say1 they were false1 or impressed1 or perceptions of such a kind as not to be able to be distinguished from false ones2 then ,i should like to know how we were to use them8 and how we were to see what was consistent with each thing and what was inconsistent with it8 ,certainly no room at all is here left for memory1 which of all qualities is the one that most completely contains1 not only philosophy1 but the whole practice of life1 and all the arts4 ,for what memory can there be of what is false8 or what does any one remember which he does not comprehend and hold in his mind8 ,and what art can there be except that which consists not of one1 nor of two1 but of many perceptions of the mind8 and if you take these away1 how are you to distinguish the artist from the ignorant man8 ,for we must not say at random that this man is an artist1 and deny that that man is2 but we must only do so when we see that the one retains the things which he has perceived and comprehended1 and that the other does not4 ,and as some arts are of that kind that one can only see the fact in one's mind1 others such that one can design and effect something1 how can a geometrician perceive those things which have no existence1 or which cannot be distinguished from what is false8 or how can he who plays on the lyre complete his rhythm1 and finish verses8 ,and the same will be the case with respect to similar arts1 whose whole work consists in acting and in effecting something4 ,for what is there that can be effected by art1 unless the man who exercises the art has many perceptions8 ,,viii4 ,and most especially does the knowledge of virtues confirm the assertion that many things can be perceived and comprehended4 ,and in those things alone do we say that science exists2 which we consider to be not a mere comprehension of things1 but one that is firm and unchangeable2 and we consider it also to be wisdom1 the art of living which1 by itself1 derives consistency from itself4 ,but if that consistency has no perception or knowledge about it1 then ,i ask whence it has originated and how8 ,i ask also1 why that good man who has made up his mind to endure every kind of torture1 to be torn by intolerable pain1 rather than to betray his duty or his faith1 has imposed on himself such bitter conditions1 when he has nothing comprehended1 perceived1 known1 or established1 to lead him to think that he is bound to do so8 ,it cannot1 then1 by any possibility be the case that any one should estimate equity and good faith so highly as to shrink from no punishment for the sake of preserving them1 unless he has assented to those facts which cannot be false4 ,but as to wisdom itself1 if it be ignorant of its own character1 and if it does not know whether it be wisdom or not1 in the first place1 how is it to obtain its name of wisdom8 ,secondly1 how will it venture to undertake any exploit1 or to perform it with confidence1 when it has nothing certain to follow8 ,but when it doubts what is the chief and highest good1 being ignorant to what everything is referred1 how can it be wisdom8 ,and that also is manifest1 that it is necessary that there should be laid down in the first place a principle which wisdom may follow when it begins to act2 and that principle must be adapted to nature4 ,for otherwise1 the desire1 7for that is how ,i translate 17 by which we are impelled to act1 and by which we desire what has been seen1 cannot be set in motion4 ,but that which sets anything in motion must first be seen and trusted1 which cannot be the case if that which is seen cannot be distinguished from what is false4 ,but how can the mind be moved to desire anything1 if it cannot be perceived whether that which is seen is adapted to nature or inconsistent with it8 ,and again1 if it does not occur to a man's mind what his duty is1 he will actually never do anything1 he will never be excited to any action1 he will never be moved4 ,but if he ever is about to do anything1 then it is necessary that that which occurs to him must appear to him to be true4 ,what6 ,but if those things are true1 is the whole of reason1 which is1 as it were1 the light and illumination of life1 put an end to8 ,and still will you persist in that wrong-headedness8 ,for it is reason which has brought men the beginning of inquiry1 which has perfected virtue1 after reason herself had been confirmed by inquiry4 ,but inquiry is the desire of knowledge2 and the end of inquiry is discovery4 ,but no one can discover what is false2 nor can those things which continue uncertain be discovered4 ,but when those things which have1 as it were1 been under a veil1 are laid open1 then they are said to be discovered2 and so reason contains the beginning of inquiry1 and the end of perceiving and comprehending4 ,therefore the conclusion of an argument1 which in ,greek is called 1 is thus defined3--,reason1 which leads one from facts which are perceived1 to that which was not perceived4 ,,ix4 ,but if all things which are seen were of that sort that those men say they are1 so that they either could possibly be false1 or that no discernment could distinguish whether they were false or not1 then how could we say that any one had either formed any conclusion1 or discovered anything8 ,or what trust could be placed in an argument when brought to a conclusion8 ,and what end will philosophy itself have1 which is bound to proceed according to reason8 ,and what will become of wisdom8 which ought not to doubt about its own character1 nor about its decrees1 which philosophers call 2 none of which can be betrayed without wickedness4 ,for when a decree is betrayed1 the law of truth and right is betrayed too4 ,from which fault betrayals of friendships and of republics often originate4 ,it cannot1 therefore be doubted1 that no rule of wisdom can possibly be false2 and it ought not to be enough for the wise man that it is not false1 but it ought also to be steady1 durable1 and lasting2 such as no arguments can shake4 ,but none can either be1 or appear such1 according to the principle of those men who deny that those perceptions in which all rules originate are in any respect different from false ones2 and from this assertion arose the demand which was repeated by ,hortensius1 that you would at least allow that the fact that nothing can be perceived has been perceived by the wise man4 ,but when ,antipater made the same demand1 and argued that it was unavoidable that the man who affirmed that nothing could be perceived should nevertheless admit that this one thing could be perceived1--namely1 that nothing else could1--,carneades resisted him with great shrewdness4 ,for he said that this admission was so far from being consistent with the doctrine asserted1 that it was above all others incompatible with it3 for that a man who denied that there was anything which could be perceived excepted nothing4 ,and so it followed of necessity1 that even that very thing which was not excepted1 could not be comprehended and perceived in any possible manner4 ,antiochus1 on this topic1 seems to press his antagonist more closely4 ,for since the ,academicians adopted that rule1 7for you understand that ,i am translating by this word what they call 17 that nothing can be perceived1 he urged that they ought not to waver in their rule as in other matters1 especially as the whole of their philosophy consisted in it3 for that the fixing of what is true and false1 known and unknown1 is the supreme law of all philosophy4 ,and since they adopted this principle1 and wished to teach what ought to be received by each individual1 and what rejected1 undoubtedly1 said he1 they ought to perceive this very thing from which the whole judgment of what is true and false arises4 ,he urged1 in short1 that there were these two principal objects in philosophy1 the knowledge of truth1 and the attainment of the chief good2 and that a man could not be wise who was ignorant of either the beginning of knowledge1 or of the end of desire1 so as not to know either where to start from1 or whither to seek to arrive at4 ,but that to feel in doubt on these points1 and not to have such confidence respecting them as to be unable to be shaken1 is utterly incompatible with wisdom4 ,in this manner1 therefore1 it was more fitting to demand of them that they should at least admit that this fact was perceived1 namely1 that nothing could be perceived4 ,but enough1 ,i imagine1 has been said of the inconsistency of their whole opinion1 if1 indeed1 you can say that a man who approves of nothing has any opinion at all4 ,x4 ,the next point for discussion is one which is copious enough1 but rather abstruse2 for it touches in some points on natural philosophy1 so that ,i am afraid that ,i may be giving the man who will reply to me too much liberty and licence4 ,for what can ,i think that he will do about abstruse and obscure matters1 who seeks to deprive us of all light8 ,but one might argue with great refinement the question1--with how much artificial skill1 as it were1 nature has made1 first of all1 every animal2 secondly1 man most especially2--how great the power of the senses is2 in what manner things seen first affect us2 then1 how the desires1 moved by these things1 followed2 and1 lastly1 in what manner we direct our senses to the perception of things4 ,for the mind itself1 which is the source of the senses1 and which itself is sense1 has a natural power1 which it directs towards those things by which it is moved4 ,therefore it seizes on other things which are seen in such a manner as to use them at once2 others it stores up2 and from these memory arises3 but all other things it arranges by similitudes1 from which notions of things are engendered2 which the ,greeks call1 at one time 1 and at another 4 ,and when to this there is added reason and the conclusion of the argument1 and a multitude of countless circumstances1 then the perception of all those things is manifest1 and the same reason1 being made perfect by these steps1 arrives at wisdom4 ,as1 therefore1 the mind of man is admirably calculated for the science of things and the consistency of life1 it embraces knowledge most especially4 ,and it loves that 1 7which we1 as ,i have said1 will call comprehension1 translating the word literally17 for its own sake1 7for there is nothing more sweet than the light of truth17 and also because of its use2 on which account also it uses the senses1 and creates arts1 which are1 as it were1 second senses2 and it strengthens philosophy itself to such a degree that it creates virtue1 to which single thing all life is subordinate4 ,therefore1 those men who affirm that nothing can be comprehended1 take away by their assertion all these instruments or ornaments of life2 or rather1 ,i should say1 utterly overturn the whole of life1 and deprive the animal itself of mind 7animo71 so that it is difficult to speak of their rashness as the merits of the case require4 ,nor can ,i sufficiently make out what their ideas or intentions really are4 ,for sometimes1 when we address them with this argument1--that if the doctrines which we are upholding are not true1 then everything must be uncertain3 they reply1--,well1 what is that to us8 is that our fault8 blame nature1 who1 as ,democritus says1 has buried truth deep in the bottom of the sea4 ,but others defend themselves more elegantly1 who complain also that we accuse them of calling everything uncertain2 and they endeavour to explain how much difference there is between what is uncertain and what cannot be perceived1 and to make a distinction between them4 ,let us1 then1 now deal with those who draw this distinction1 and let us abandon1 as incurable and desperate1 those who say that everything is as uncertain as whether the number of the stars be odd or even4 ,for they contend1 7and ,i noticed that you were especially moved by this17 that there is something probable1 and1 as ,i may say1 likely2 and that they adopt that likelihood as a rule in steering their course of life1 and in making inquiries and conducting discussions4 ,,xi4 ,but what rule can there be1 if we have no notion whatever of true or false1 because it is impossible to distinguish one from the other8 ,for1 if we have such a notion1 then there must be a difference between what is true and what is false1 as there is between what is right and what is wrong4 ,if there is no difference1 then there is no rule2 nor can a man to whom what is true and what is false appear under one common aspect1 have any means of judging of1 or any mark at all by which he can know the truth4 ,for when they say1 that they take away nothing but the idea of anything being able to appear in such a manner that it cannot possibly appear false in the same manner but that they admit everything else1 they are acting childishly4 ,for though they have taken away that by which everything is judged of1 they deny that they take away the rest2 just as if a person were to deprive a man of his eyes1 and then say that he has not taken away from him those things which can be seen4 ,for just as those things are known by the eyes1 so are the other things known by the perceptions2 but by a mark belonging peculiarly to truth1 and not common to what is true and false4 ,wherefore1 whether you bring forward a perception which is merely probable1 or one which is at once probable and free from all hindrance1 as ,carneades contended1 or anything else that you may follow1 you will still have to return to that perception of which we are treating4 ,but in it1 if there be but one common characteristic of what is false and true1 there will be no judgment possible1 because nothing peculiar can be noted in one sign common to two things3 but if there be no such community1 then ,i have got what ,i want2 for ,i am seeking what appears to me to be so true1 that it cannot possibly appear false4 ,they are equally mistaken when1 being convicted and overpowered by the force of truth1 they wish to distinguish between what is evident and what is perceived1 and endeavour to prove that there is something evident1--being a truth impressed on the mind and intellect1--and yet that it cannot be perceived and comprehended4 ,for how can you say distinctly that anything is white1 when it may happen that that which is black may appear white8 ,or how are we to call those things evident1 or to say that they are impressed faithfully on the mind1 when it is uncertain whether it is really moved or only in an illusory manner8 ,and so there is neither colour1 nor body1 nor truth1 nor argument1 nor sense1 nor anything certain left us4 ,and1 owing to this1 it frequently happens that1 whatever they say1 they are asked by some people1--,do you1 then1 perceive that8 ,but they who put this question to them are laughed at by them2 for they do not press them hard enough so as to prove that no one can insist upon any point1 or make any positive assertion1 without some certain and peculiar mark to distinguish that thing which each individual says that he is persuaded of4 ,what1 then1 is this probability of yours8 ,for if that which occurs to every one1 and which1 at its first look1 as it were1 appears probable1 is asserted positively1 what can be more trifling8 ,but if your philosophers say that they1 after a certain degree of circumspection and careful consideration1 adopt what they have seen as such1 still they will not be able to escape from us4 ,first of all1 because credit is equally taken from all these things which are seen1 but between which there is no difference2 secondly1 when they say that it can happen to a wise man1 that after he has done everything1 and exercised the most diligent circumspection1 there may still be something which appears probable1 and which yet is very far removed from being true1--how can they then trust themselves1 even if they 7to use their own expression7 approach truth for the most part1 or even if they come as near to it as possible8 ,for1 in order to trust themselves1 the distinctive mark of truth ought to be thoroughly known to them2 and if that be obscure or concealed1 what truth is there which they can seem to themselves to arrive at8 ,and what can be so absurd a thing to say as1--,this indeed is a sign of that thing1 or a proof of it1 and on that account ,i follow it2 but it is possible that that which is indicated may either be false1 or may actually have no existence at all8 ,,xii4 ,however1 we have said enough about perception4 ,for if any one wishes to invalidate what has been said1 truth will easily defend itself1 even if we are absent4 ,these things1 then1 which have now been explained1 being sufficiently understood1 we will proceed to say a little on the subject of assent and approbation1 which the ,greeks call 4 ,not that the subject itself is not an extensive one1 but because the foundations have been already laid a little while ago4 ,for when we were explaining what power there was in the senses1 this point was at the same time established1 that many things were comprehended and perceived by the senses1 which is a thing which cannot take place without assent4 ,secondly1 as this is the principal difference between an inanimate and an animated being1 that the inanimate being does nothing1 but the animated one does something 7for it is impossible even to imagine what kind of animal that can be which does nothing7--either sense must be taken from it1 or else assent 7which is wholly in our own power7 must be given4 ,but mind is in some degree denied to those beings whom they will not allow either to feel or to assent4 ,for as it is inevitable that one scale of a balance must be depressed when a weight is put in it1 so the mind1 too1 must yield to what is evident2 for just as it is impossible for any animal to forbear discerning what is manifestly suited to its nature 7the ,greeks call that 71 so it is equally impossible for it to withhold its assent to a manifest fact which is brought under its notice4 ,although1 if those principles which we have been maintaining are true1 there is no advantage whatever in discussing assent4 ,for he who perceives anything1 assents immediately4 ,but these inferences also follow1--that memory can have no existence without assent1 no more can notions of things or arts4 ,and what is most important of all is1 that1 although some things may be in our power1 yet they will not be in the power of that man who assents to nothing4 ,where1 then1 is virtue1 if nothing depends on ourselves8 ,but it is above all things absurd that vices should be in the power of the agents1 and that no one should do wrong except by deliberate consent to do so1 and yet that this should not be the case with virtue2 all the consistency and firmness of which depends on the things to which it has assented1 and which it has approved4 ,and altogether it is necessary that something should be perceived before we act1 and before we assent to what is perceived2 wherefore1 he who denies the existence of perception or assent1 puts an end to all action in life4 ,,xiii4 ,now let us examine the arguments which are commonly advanced by this school in opposition to these principles4 ,but1 first of all1 you have it in your power to become acquainted with what ,i may call the foundations of their system4 ,they then1 first of all1 compound a sort of art of those things which we call perceptions1 and define their power and kinds2 and at the same time they explain what the character of that thing which can be perceived and comprehended is1 in the very same words as the ,stoics4 ,in the next place1 they explain those two principles1 which contain1 as it were1 the whole of this question2 and which appear in such a manner that even others may appear in the same1 nor is there any difference between them1 so that it is impossible that some of them should be perceived1 and that others should not be perceived2 but that it makes no difference1 not only if they are in every part of the same character1 but even if they cannot be distinguished4 ,and when these principles are laid down1 then these men comprehend the whole cause in the conclusion of one argument4 ,but this conclusion1 thus compounded1 runs in this way3 8,of the things which are seen1 some are true and some are false2 and what is false cannot be perceived1 but that which appears to be true is all of such a character that a thing of the same sort may seem to be also false4 ,and as to those things which are perceived being of such a sort that there is no difference between them1 it cannot possibly happen that some of them can be perceived1 and that others cannot2 there is1 then1 nothing seen which can really be perceived40 ,but of the axioms which they assume1 in order to draw the conclusions which they desire1 they think that two ought to be granted to them2 for no one objects to them4 ,they are these3 8,that those perceptions which are false1 cannot really be perceived20 and the second is--8,of those perceptions between which there is no difference1 it is impossible that some should be of such a character that they can be perceived1 and others of such a character that they cannot40 ,but their other propositions they defend by numerous and varied arguments1 and they likewise are two in number4 ,one is--8,of those things which appear1 some are true and others false20 the other is--8,every perception which originates in the truth1 is of such a character as it might be of1 though originating in what is false40 ,and these two propositions they do not pass by1 but they expand in such a manner as to show no slight degree of care and diligence4 ,for they divide them into parts1 and those also large parts2 first of all into the senses1 then into those things which are derived from the senses1 and from universal custom1 the authority of which they wish to invalidate4 ,then they come to the point of laying it down that nothing can be perceived even by reason and conjecture4 ,and these universal propositions they cut up into more minute parts4 ,for as in our yesterday's discussion you saw that they acted with respect to the senses1 so do they also act with respect to everything else4 ,and in each separate thing which they divide into the most minute parts1 they wish to make out that all these true perceptions have often false ones added to them1 which are in no respect different from the true ones2 and that1 as they are of such a character1 nothing can be comprehended4 ,,xiv4 ,now all this subtlety ,i consider indeed thoroughly worthy of philosophy1 but still wholly unconnected with the case which they advocate who argue thus4 ,for definitions1 and divisions1 and a discourse which employs these ornaments1 and also similarities and dissimilarities1 and the subtle and fine-drawn distinctions between them1 belong to men who are confident that those arguments which they are upholding are true1 and firm1 and certain2 and not to men who assert loudly that those things are no more true than false4 ,for what would they do if1 after they had defined anything1 some one were to ask them whether that definition could be transferred to something else8 ,if they said it could1 then what reason could they give why it should be a true definition8 ,if they said no1--then it must be confessed1 since that definition of what is true cannot be transferred to what is false1 that that which is explained by that definition can be perceived2 which is the last thing they mean4 ,the same thing may be said on every article of the division4 ,for if they say that they see clearly the things about which they are arguing1 and they cannot be hindered by any similarity of appearance1 then they will confess that they are able to comprehend those things4 ,but if they affirm that true perceptions cannot be distinguished from false ones1 how can they go any further8 ,for the same objections will be made to them which have been made already2 for an argument cannot be concluded1 unless the premises which are taken to deduce the conclusion from are so established that nothing of the same kind can be false4 ,therefore1 if reason1 relying on things comprehended and perceived1 and advancing in reliance on them1 establishes the point that nothing can be comprehended1 what can be found which can be more inconsistent with itself8 ,and as the very nature of an accurate discourse professes that it will develop something which is not apparent1 and that1 in order the more easily to succeed in its object1 it will employ the senses and those things which are evident1 what sort of discourse is that which is uttered by those men who insist upon it that everything has not so much an existence as a mere appearance8 ,but they are convicted most of all when they assume1 as consistent with each other1 these two propositions which are so utterly incompatible3 first of all1--,that there are some false perceptions2--and in asserting this they declare also that there are some which are true3 and secondly1 they add at the same time1--,that there is no difference between true perceptions and false ones4 ,but you assumed the first proposition as if there were some difference2 and so the latter proposition is inconsistent with the former1 and the former with the latter4 ,but let us proceed further1 and act so as in no respect to seem to be flattering ourselves2 and let us follow up what is said by them1 in such a manner as to allow nothing to be passed over4 ,in the first place1 then1 that evidentness which we have mentioned has sufficiently great power of itself to point out to us the things which are just as they are4 ,but still1 in order that we may remain with firmness and constancy in our trust in what is evident1 we have need of a greater degree of either skill or diligence1 in order not1 by some sort of juggling or trick1 to be driven away from those things which are clear of themselves4 ,for ,epicurus1 who wished to remedy those errors1 which seem to perplex one's knowledge of the truth1 and who said that it was the duty of a wise man to separate opinion from evident knowledge1 did no good at all2 for he did not in the least remove the errors of opinion itself4 ,,xv4 ,wherefore1 as there are two causes which oppose what is manifest and evident1 it is necessary also to provide oneself with an equal number of aids4 ,for this is the first obstacle1 that men do not sufficiently exert and fix their minds upon those things which are evident1 so as to be able to understand how great the light is with which they are surrounded4 ,the second is1 that some men1 being deluded and deceived by fallacious and captious interrogatories1 when they cannot clear them up1 abandon the truth4 ,it is right1 therefore1 for us to have those answers ready which may be given in defence of the evidentness of a thing1--and we have already spoken of them1--and to be armed1 in order to be able to encounter the questions of those people1 and to scatter their captious objections to the winds3 and this is what ,i propose to do next4 ,i will1 therefore1 explain their arguments one by one2 since even they themselves are in the habit of speaking in a sufficiently lucid manner4 ,in the first place1 they endeavour to show that many things can appear to exist1 which in reality have no existence2 when minds are moved to no purpose by things which do not exist1 in the same manner as by things that do4 ,for when you say 7say they7 that some visions are sent by ,god1 as those1 for instance1 which are seen during sleep1 and those also which are revealed by oracles1 and auspices1 and the entrails of victims1 7for they say that the ,stoics1 against whom they are arguing1 admit all these things17 they ask how ,god can make those things probable which appear to be false2 and how it is that ,he cannot make those appear so which plainly come as near as possible to truth8 ,or if ,he can likewise make those appear probable1 why ,he cannot make the others appear so too1 which are only with great difficulty distinguished from them8 ,and if ,he can make these appear so1 then why ,he cannot also make those things appear so which are absolutely different in no respect whatever8 ,in the next place1 since the mind is moved by itself1--as those things which we picture to ourselves in thought1 and those which present themselves to the sight of madmen or sleeping men declare1--is it not1 say they1 probable that the mind is also moved in such a manner1 that not only it does not distinguish between the perceptions1 as to whether they be true or false1 but that there really is no difference between them8 ,as1 for instance1 if any men of their own accord trembled and grew pale1 on account of some agitation of mind1 or because some terrible object came upon them from without1 there would be no means of distinguishing one trembling and paleness from the other1 nor indeed would there be any difference between the external and internal alarm which caused them4 ,lastly1 if no perceptions are probable which are false1 then we must seek for other principles2 but if they are probable1 then why may not one say the same of such as are not easily distinguished from one another8 ,why not also of such as have actually no difference at all between them8 ,especially when you yourselves say that the wise man when enraged withholds himself from all assent1 because there is no distinction between his perceptions which is visible to him4 ,,xvi4 ,now on all these empty perceptions ,antiochus brought forward a great many arguments1 and one whole day was occupied in the discussion of this subject4 ,but ,i do not think that ,i ought to adopt the same course1 but merely to give the heads of what he said4 ,and in the first place1 they are blameable in this1 that they use a most captious kind of interrogation4 ,and the system of adding or taking away1 step by step1 minute items from a proposition1 is a kind of argument very little to be approved of in philosophy4 ,they call it sorites17#aa7 when they make up a heap by adding grain after grain2 a very vicious and captious style of arguing4 ,for you mount up in this way3--,if a vision is brought by ,god before a man asleep of such a nature as to be probable 7probabile71 why may not one also be brought of such a nature as to be very like truth 7verisimile78 ,if so1 then why may not one be brought which can hardly be distinguished from truth8 ,if so1 then why may there not be one which cannot be distinguished at all8 ,if so1 then why may there not be such that there is actually no difference between them8--,if you come to this point because ,i have granted you all the previous propositions1 it will be my fault2 but if you advance thither of your own accord1 it will be yours4 ,for who will grant to you either that ,god can do everything1 or that even if ,he could ,he would act in that manner8 ,and how do you assume that if one thing may be like another1 it follows that it may also be difficult to distinguish between them8 ,and then1 that one cannot distinguish between them at all8 ,and lastly1 that they are identical8 ,so that if wolves are like dogs1 you will come at last to asserting that they are the same animals4 ,and indeed there are some things not honourable1 which are like things that are honourable2 some things not good1 like those that are good2 some things proceeding on no system1 like others which are regulated by system4 ,why then do we hesitate to affirm that there is no difference between all these things8 ,do we not even see that they are inconsistent8 ,for there is nothing that can be transferred from its own genus to another4 ,but if such a conclusion did follow1 as that there was no difference between perceptions of different genera1 but that some could be found which were both in their own genus and in one which did not belong to them1 how could that be possible8 ,there is then one means of getting rid of all unreal perceptions1 whether they be formed in the ideas1 which we grant to be usually the case1 or whether they be owing to idleness1 or to wine1 or to madness4 ,for we say that clearness1 which we ought to hold with the greatest tenacity1 is absent from all visions of that kind4 ,for who is there who1 when he imagines something and pictures it to himself in his thoughts1 does not1 as soon as he has stirred up himself1 and recovered himself1 feel how much difference there is between what is evident and what is unreal8 ,the case of dreams is the same4 ,do you think that ,ennius1 when he had been walking in his garden with ,sergius ,galba1 his neighbour1 said to himself1--,i have seemed to myself to be walking with ,galba8 ,but when he had a dream1 he related it in this way1-- ,the poet ,homer seem'd to stand before me4 ,and again in his ,epicharmus he says-- ,for ,i seem'd to be dreaming1 and laid in the tomb4 ,therefore1 as soon as we are awakened1 we despise those things which we have seen1 and do not regard them as we do the things which we have done in the forum4 ,,xvii4 ,but while these visions are being beheld1 they assume the same appearance as those things which we see while awake4 ,there is a good deal of real difference between them2 but we may pass over that4 ,for what we assert is1 that there is not the same power or soundness in people when asleep that there is in them while waking1 either in intellect or in sensation4 ,what even drunken men do1 they do not do with the same deliberate approbation as sober men4 ,they doubt1 they hesitate1 they check themselves at times1 and give but a feeble assent to what they see or agree too4 ,and when they have slept off their drunkenness1 then they understand how unreal their perceptions were4 ,and the same thing is the case with madmen2 that when their madness is beginning1 they both feel and say that something appears to them to exist that has no real existence4 ,and when their frenzy abates1 they feel and speak like ,alcmon2-- ,but now my heart does not agree ,with that which with my eyes ,i see4 ,but even in madness the wise man puts restraint upon himself1 so far as not to approve of what is false as if it were true4 ,and he does so often at other times1 if there is by chance any heaviness or slowness in his senses1 or if those things which are seen by him are rather obscure1 or if he is prevented from thoroughly examining them by the shortness of the time4 ,although the whole of this fact1 that the wise man sometimes suspends his assent1 makes against you4 ,for if there were no difference between his perceptions1 he would either suspend it always or never4 ,but from the whole character of this discussion we may see the worthless nature of the argument of those men who wish to throw everything into confusion4 ,we want judgment1 marked with gravity1 consistency1 firmness1 and wisdom3 and we use the examples of men dreaming1 mad1 or drunk4 ,i press this point1 that in all this discussion we are speaking with great inconsistency4 ,for we should not bring forward men sunk in wine or sleep1 or deprived of sense1 in such an absurd manner as at one time to say there is a difference between the perceptions of men awake and sober and sensible1 and those of men in a different condition1 and at other times that there was no difference at all4 ,they do not even perceive that by this kind of argument they are making out everything to be uncertain1 which they do not wish to do4 ,i call that uncertain which the ,greeks call 4 ,for if the fact be that there is no difference between the appearance that a thing presents to a madman and to a person in his senses1 then who can feel quite sure of his own sanity8 ,and to wish to produce such an effect as that is a proof of no ordinary madness4 ,but they follow up in a childish manner the likenesses of twins1 or of impressions of rings4 ,for who of us denies that there are such things as likenesses1 when they are visible in numbers of things8 ,but if the fact of many things being like many other things is sufficient to take away knowledge1 why are you not content with that1 especially as we admit it8 ,and why do you rather insist upon that assertion which the nature of things will not suffer1 that everything is not in its own kind of that character of which it really is8 and that there is a conformity without any difference whatever in two or more things2 so that eggs are entirely like eggs1 and bees like bees8 ,what then are you contending for8 or what do you seek to gain by talking about twins8 ,for it is granted that they are alike2 and you might be content with that4 ,but you try to make them out to be actually the same1 and not merely alike2 and that is quite impossible4 ,then you have recourse to those natural philosophers who are so greatly ridiculed in the ,academy1 but whom you will not even now desist from quoting4 ,and you tell us that ,democritus says that there are a countless number of worlds1 and that there are some which are not only so like one another1 but so completely and absolutely equal in every point1 that there is no difference whatever between them1 and that they are quite innumerable2 and so also are men4 ,then you require that1 if the world be so entirely equal to another world that there is absolutely not the slightest difference between them1 we should grant to you that in this world of ours also there must be something exactly equal to something else1 so that there is no difference whatever or distinction between them4 ,for why1 you will say1 since there not only can be1 but actually are innumerable ,quinti ,lutatii ,catuli formed out of those atoms1 from which ,democritus affirms that everything is produced1 in all the other worlds1 which are likewise innumerable1--why may not there be a second ,catulus formed in this identical world of ours1 since it is of such a size as we see it8 ,,xviii4 ,first of all ,i reply1 that you are bringing me to the arguments of ,democritus1 with whom ,i do not agree4 ,and ,i will the more readily refute them1 on account of that doctrine which is laid down very clearly by the more refined natural philosophers1 that everything has its own separate property4 ,for grant that those ancient ,servilii who were twins were as much alike as they are said to have been1 do you think that that would have made them the same8 ,they were not distinguished from one another out of doors1 but they were at home4 ,they were not distinguished from one another by strangers1 but they were by their own family4 ,do we not see that this is frequently the case1 that those people whom we should never have expected to be able to know from one another1 we do by practice distinguish so easily that they do not appear to be even in the least alike8 ,here1 however1 you may struggle2 ,i will not oppose you4 ,moreover1 ,i will grant that that very wise man who is the subject of all this discussion1 when things like one another come under his notice1 in which he has not remarked any special character1 will withhold his assent1 and will never agree to any perception which is not of such a character as a false perception can never assume4 ,but with respect to all other things he has a certain art by which he can distinguish what is true from what is false2 and with respect to those similitudes he must apply the test of experience4 ,as a mother distinguishes between twins by the constant practice of her eyes1 so you too will distinguish when you have become accustomed to it4 ,do you not see that it has become a perfect proverb that one egg is like another8 and yet we are told that at ,delos 7when it was a flourishing island7 there were many people who used to keep large numbers of hens for the sake of profit2 and that they1 when they had looked upon an egg1 could tell which hen had laid it4 ,nor does that fact make against our argument2 for it is sufficient for us to be able to distinguish between the eggs4 ,for it is impossible for one to assent to the proposition that this thing is that thing more1 than by admitting that there is actually no difference at all between the two4 ,for ,i have laid it down as a rule1 to consider all perceptions true which are of such a character as those which are false cannot be4 ,and from this ,i may not depart one finger's breadth1 as they say1 lest ,i should throw everything into confusion4 ,for not only the knowledge of what is true and false1 but their whole nature too1 will be destroyed if there is no difference between one and the other4 ,and that must be very absurd which you sometimes are in the habit of saying1 when perceptions are imprinted on the mind1 that what you say is1 not that there is no difference between the impressions1 but only that there is none between certain appearances and forms which they assume4 ,as if perceptions were not judged of by their appearance1 which can deserve or obtain no credit if the mark by which we are to distinguish truth from falsehood be taken away4 ,but that is a monstrous absurdity of yours1 when you say that you follow what is probable when you are not hindered by anything from doing so4 ,in the first place1 how can you avoid being hindered1 when what is false does not differ from what is true8 ,secondly1 what judgment can be formed of what is true1 when what is true is undistinguishable from what is false8 ,from these facts there springs unavoidably 1 that is to say1 a suspension of assent3 for which ,arcesilas is more consistent1 if at least the opinions which some people entertain of ,carneades are correct4 ,for if nothing can be perceived1 as they both agree in thinking1 then all assent is taken away4 ,for what is so childish as to talk of approving of what is not known8 ,but even yesterday we heard that ,carneades was in the habit1 at times1 of descending to say that a wise man would be guided by opinion1 that is to say1 would do wrong4 ,to me1 indeed1 it is not so certain that there is anything which can be comprehended1 a question which ,i have now spent too much time in discussing1 as that a wise man is never guided by opinion1 that is to say1 never assents to anything which is either false or unknown4 ,there remains this other statement of theirs1 that for the sake of discovering the truth1 one ought to speak against every side1 and in favour of every side4 ,i wish then to see what they have discovered4 ,we are not in the habit1 says he1 of showing that4 ,what then is the object of all this mystery8 or why do you conceal your opinion as something discreditable8 ,in order1 says he1 that those who hear us may be influenced by reason rather than led by authority4 ,what if they are influenced by both8 would there be any harm in that8 ,however1 they do not conceal one of their theories1 namely1 that there is nothing which can be conceived4 ,is authority no hindrance to entertaining this opinion8 ,it seems to me to be a great one4 ,for who would ever have embraced so openly and undisguisedly such perverse and false principles1 if there had not been such great richness of ideas and power of eloquence in ,arcesilas1 and1 in a still greater degree1 in ,carneades8 ,,xix4 ,these are nearly the arguments which ,antiochus used to urge at ,alexandria1 and many years afterwards1 with much more positiveness too1 in ,syria1 when he was there with me1 a little before he died4 ,but1 as my case is now established1 ,i will not hesitate to warn you1 as you are my dearest friend1 7he was addressing me17 and one a good deal younger than myself4 ,will you1 then1 after having extolled philosophy with such panegyrics1 and provoked our friend ,hortensius1 who disagrees with us1 now follow that philosophy which confounds what is true with what is false1 deprives us of all judgment1 strips us of the power of approval1 and robs us of all our senses8 ,even the ,cimmerians1 to whom some god1 or nature1 or the foulness of the country that they inhabited1 had denied the light of the sun1 had still some fires which they were permitted to avail themselves of as if they were light4 ,but those men whom you approve of1 after having enveloped us in such darkness1 have not left us a single spark to enable us to look around by4 ,and if we follow them1 we become bound with such chains that we cannot move4 ,for when assent is taken away1 they take away at the same time all motion of our minds1 and all our power of action2 which not only cannot be done rightly1 but which cannot possibly be done at all4 ,beware1 also1 lest you become the only person who is not allowed to uphold that opinion4 ,will you1 when you have explained the most secret matters and brought them to light1 and said on your oath that you have discovered them1 7which1 indeed1 ,i could swear to also1 since ,i learnt them from you17--will you1 ,i say1 assert that there is nothing which can be known1 comprehended1 or perceived8 ,beware1 ,i entreat you1 lest the authority of those most beautiful actions be diminished by your own conduct4 ,and having said this he stopped4 ,but ,hortensius1 admiring all he said very greatly1 7so much1 indeed1 that all the time that ,lucullus was speaking he kept lifting up his hands2 and it was no wonder1 for ,i do not believe that an argument had ever been conducted against the ,academy with more acuteness17 began to exhort me1 either jestingly or seriously1 7for that was a point that ,i was not quite sure about17 to abandon my opinions4 ,then1 said ,catulus1 if the discourse of ,lucullus has had such influence over you1--and it has been a wonderful exhibition of memory1 accuracy1 and ingenuity1--,i have nothing to say2 nor do ,i think it my duty to try and deter you from changing opinion if you choose4 ,but ,i should not think it well for you to be influenced merely by his authority4 ,for he was all but warning you1 said he1 jestingly1 to take care that no worthless tribune of the people1 of whom you know what a number there will always be1 seize upon you1 and ask of you in the public assembly how you are consistent with yourself1 when at one time you assert that nothing certain can be discovered1 and at another time affirm that you yourself have discovered something4 ,i entreat you1 do not let him terrify you4 ,but ,i would rather have you disagree with him on the merits of the case itself4 ,but if you give in to him1 ,i shall not be greatly surprised2 for ,i recollect that ,antiochus himself1 after he had entertained such opinions for many years1 abandoned them as soon as he thought it desirable4 ,when ,catulus had said this1 they all began to fix their eyes on me4 ,,xx4 ,then ,i1 being no less agitated than ,i usually am when pleading important causes1 began to speak something after this fashion3-- ,the discourse of ,lucullus1 ,o ,catulus1 on the matter itself1 moved me a good deal1 being the discourse of a learned and ingenious and quick-witted man1 and of one who passes over nothing which can be said for his side2 but still ,i am not afraid but that ,i may be able to answer him4 ,but no doubt such authority as his would have influenced me a good deal1 if you had not opposed your own to it1 which is of equal weight4 ,i will endeavour1 therefore1 to reply to him after ,i have said a few words in defence of my own reputation1 as it were4 ,if it is by any desire of display1 or any zeal for contentious disputes1 that ,i have been chiefly led to rank myself as an adherent of this school of philosophy1 ,i should think not only my folly1 but also my disposition and nature deserving of severe censure2 for if obstinacy is found fault with in the most trifling matters1 and if also calumny is repressed1 should ,i choose to contend with others in a quarrelsome manner about the general condition and conduct of my whole life1 or to deceive others and also my own self8 ,therefore1 if ,i did not think it foolish in such a discussion to do what1 when one is discussing affairs of state1 is sometimes done1 ,i would swear by ,jupiter and my household gods1 that ,i am inflamed with a desire of discovering the truth1 and that ,i do truly feel what ,i say4 ,for how can ,i avoid wishing to discover the truth1 when ,i rejoice if ,i have discovered anything resembling the truth8 ,but although ,i consider to see the truth a most beautiful thing1 so also do ,i think it a most disgraceful one to approve of what is false as if it were true4 ,not1 indeed1 that ,i am myself a man who never approve of anything false1 who never give assent to any such thing1 and am never guided by opinion2 but we are speaking of a wise man4 ,but ,i myself am very apt to adopt opinions1 for ,i am not a wise man1 and ,i direct my thoughts1 steering not to that little ,cynosura1 ,the nightly star1 which shining not in vain1 ,guides the ,phnician sailor o'er the main1 as ,aratus says2--and those mariners steer in a more direct course because they keep looking at the constellation1 ,which in its inner course and orbit brief ,surely revolves2-- but looking rather towards ,helice1 and the bright north star1 that is to say1 to these reasons of a more expansive kind1 not polished away to a point2 and therefore ,i roam and wander about in a freer course4 ,however1 the question1 as ,i said just now1 is not about myself1 but about a wise man4 ,for when these perceptions have made a violent impression on the intellect and senses1 ,i admit them1 and sometimes ,i even assent to them1 but still ,i do not perceive them3 for ,i do not think that anything can be perceived4 ,i am not a wise man1 therefore ,i submit to perceptions and cannot resist them3 but ,arcesilas1 being on this point in agreement with ,zeno1 thinks that this is the most important part of the power of a wise man1 that he can guard against being entangled1 and provide against being deceived4 ,for there is nothing more incompatible with the idea which we have of the gravity of a wise man than error1 levity1 and temerity4 ,why1 then1 need ,i speak of the firmness of a wise man8 whom even you too1 ,lucullus1 admit to be never guided by mere opinion4 ,and since this is sanctioned by you1 7if ,i am dealing irregularly with you at this moment1 ,i will soon return to the proper order of your arguments17 just consider what force this first conclusion has4 ,,xxi4 ,if the wise man ever assents to anything1 he will likewise sometimes form opinions3 but he never will form opinions3 therefore he will never assent to anything4 ,this conclusion was approved of by ,arcesilas1 for it confirmed both his first and second proposition4 ,but ,carneades sometimes granted that minor premiss1 that the wise man did at times assent3 then it followed that he also was at times guided by opinion2 which you will not allow2 and you are right1 as it seems to me3 but the first proposition1 that the wise man1 if he expresses assent1 must also be guided by opinion1 is denied by the ,stoics and their follower on this point1 ,antiochus4 ,for they say that they can distinguish what is false from what is true1 and what cannot be perceived from what can4 ,but1 in the first place1 even if anything can be perceived1 still the very custom of expressing assent appears to us to be perilous and unsure4 ,wherefore1 as it is plain that is so faulty a proceeding1 to assent to anything that is either false or unknown1 all assent must rather be removed1 lest it should rush on into difficulties if it proceeds rashly4 ,for what is false is so much akin to what is true1 and the things which cannot be perceived to those which can1 7if1 indeed1 there are any such1 for we shall examine that point presently17 that a wise man ought not to trust himself in such a hazardous position4 ,but if ,i assume that there is actually nothing which can be perceived1 and if ,i also take what you grant me1 that a wise man is never guided by opinion1 then the consequence will be that the wise man will restrain all assent on his part2 so that you must consider whether you would rather have it so1 or let the wise man sometimes form opinions4 ,you do not approve of either1 you will say4 ,let us1 then1 endeavour to prove that nothing can be perceived2 for that is what the whole controversy turns upon4 ,,xxii4 ,but first ,i must say a few words to ,antiochus2 who under ,philo learnt this very doctrine which ,i am now defending1 for such a length of time1 that it is certain that no one was ever longer studying it2 and who wrote on these subjects with the greatest acuteness1 and who yet attacked it in his old age with no less energy than he had defended it in his youth4 ,although therefore he may have been a shrewd arguer1 as indeed he was1 still his authority is diminished by his inconsistency4 ,for what day1 ,i should like to know1 will ever dawn1 which shall reveal to him that distinctive characteristic of what is true and what is false1 of which for so many years he denied the existence8 ,has he devised anything new8 ,he says the same that the ,stoics say4 ,does he repent of having held such an opinion8 ,why did he not cross over to some other school1 and especially to the ,stoics8 for this disagreement with the ,academy was peculiarly theirs4 ,what8 did he repent of ,mnesarchus or ,dardanus1 who at that time were the chiefs of the ,stoics at ,athens8 ,he never deserted ,philo till after the time when he himself began to have pupils4 ,but from whence was the ,old ,academy on a sudden recalled8 ,he appears to have wished to preserve the dignity of the name1 after he had given up the reality2 which however some people said1 that he did from a view to his own glory1 and that he even hoped that those who followed him might be called ,antiochians4 ,but to me it seems1 that he could not stand that concourse of all the philosophers4 ,in truth1 there are among them all1 some common principles on the other points2 but this doctrine is peculiar to the ,academicians1 and not one of the other philosophers approves of it4 ,therefore1 he quitted it2 and1 like those men who1 where the new shops stand1 cannot bear the sun1 so he1 when he was hot1 took refuge under the shade of the ,old ,academicians1 as those men do under the shade of the old shops near the pillar of ,mnius4 ,there was also an argument which he was in the habit of employing1 when he used to maintain that nothing could be perceived2 namely1 asking whether ,dionysius of ,heraclea had comprehended the doctrine which he had espoused for many years1 because he was guided by that certain characteristic1 and whether he believed the doctrine of his master ,zeno1 that whatever was honourable was the only good2 or1 whether he adopted the assertion which he defended subsequently1 that the name of honourableness is a mere phantom1 and that pleasure is the chief good3 for from this change of opinion on his part he wished to prove1 that nothing can be so stamped on our minds by the truth1 that it cannot also be impressed on them in the same manner by falsehood2 and so he took care that others should derive from his own conduct the same argument which he himself had derived from ,dionysius4 ,,xxiii4 ,but we will argue this point more at length another time2 at present we will turn what has been said1 ,lucullus1 to you4 ,and in the first place1 let us examine the assertion which you made at the beginning1 and see what sort of assertion it is2 namely1 that we spoke of the ancient philosophers in a manner similar to that in which seditious men were in the habit of speaking of illustrious men1 who were however friends of the people4 ,these men do not indeed pursue good objects1 but still wish to be considered to resemble good men2 but we say that we hold those opinions1 which you yourselves confess to have been entertained by the most illustrious philosophers4 ,anaxagoras said1 that snow was black3 would you endure me if ,i were to say the same8 ,you would not bear even for me to express a doubt on the subject4 ,but who is this man8 is he a ,sophist8 for by that name were those men called1 who used to philosophize for the sake of display or of profit4 ,the glory of the gravity and genius of that man was great4 ,why should ,i speak of ,democritus8 ,who is there whom we can compare with him for the greatness1 not merely of his genius1 but also of his spirit8 a man who dared to begin thus3 8,i am going to speak of everything40 ,he excepts nothing1 so as not to profess a knowledge of it4 ,for indeed1 what could there possibly be beyond everything8 ,who can avoid placing this philosopher before ,cleanthes1 or ,chrysippus1 or all the rest of his successors8 men who1 when compared with him1 appear to me to be in the fifth class4 ,but he does not say this1 which we1 who do not deny that there is some truth1 declare cannot be perceived3 he absolutely denies that there is any truth4 ,he says that the senses are not merely dim1 but utterly dark2 for that is what ,metrodorus of ,chios1 who was one of his greatest admirers1 says of them1 at the beginning of his book on ,nature4 8,i deny10 says he1 8that we know whether we know anything or whether we know nothing2 ,i say that we do not even know what is ignorance and knowledge2 and that we have no knowledge whether anything exists or whether nothing does40 ,empedocles appears to you to be mad2 but to me he seems to utter words very worthy of the subjects of which he speaks4 ,does he then blind us1 or deprive us of our senses1 if he thinks that there is but little power in them to judge of those things which are brought under their notice8 ,parmenides and ,xenophanes blame1 as if they were angry with them1 though in no very poetical verses1 the arrogance of those people who1 though nothing can be known1 venture to say that they know something4 ,and you said that ,socrates and ,plato were distinct from these men4 ,why so8 ,are there any men of whom we can speak more certainly8 ,i indeed seem to myself to have lived with these men2 so many of their discourses have been reported1 from which one cannot possibly doubt that ,socrates thought that nothing could be known4 ,he excepted one thing only1 asserting that he did know that he knew nothing2 but he made no other exception4 ,what shall ,i say of ,plato8 who certainly would never have followed up these doctrines in so many books if he had not approved of them2 for there was no object in going on with the irony of the other1 especially when it was so unceasing4 ,,xxiv4 ,do ,i not seem to you1 not1 like ,saturninus1 to be content with naming illustrious men1 but also sometimes even to imitate them1 though never unless they are really eminent and noble8 ,and ,i might have opposed to you men who are annoying to you1 but yet disputants of great accuracy2 ,stilpo1 ,diodorus1 and ,alexinus3 men who indulged in far-fetched and pointed sophisms2 for that was the name given usually to fallacious conclusions4 ,but why need ,i enumerate them1 when ,i have ,chrysippus1 who is considered to be the great support of the portico of the ,stoics8 ,how many of the arguments against the senses1 how many against everything which is approved by ordinary practice1 did he not refute6 ,it is true that ,i do not think very much of his refutations2 but still1 let us grant that he did refute them4 ,certainly he would never have collected so many arguments to deceive us with their excessive probability1 unless he saw that it was not easily possible to resist them4 ,what do you think of the ,cyrenaic ,school8 philosophers far from contemptible1 who affirm that there is nothing which can be perceived externally2 and that they perceive those things alone which they feel by their inmost touch1 such as pain1 or pleasure4 ,and that they do not know what colour anything is of1 or what sound it utters2 but only feel that they themselves are affected in a certain manner4 ,we have said enough about authors3 although you had asked me whether ,i did not think that since the time of those ancient philosophers1 in so many ages1 the truth might have been discovered1 when so many men of genius and diligence were looking for it8 ,what was discovered we will consider presently1 and you yourself shall be the judge4 ,but it is easily seen that ,arcesilas did not contend with ,zeno for the sake of disparaging him2 but that he wished to discover the truth4 ,no one1 ,i say1 of preceding philosophers had said positively1 no one had even hinted that it was possible for man never to form opinions3 and that for a wise man it was not only possible1 but indispensable4 ,the opinion of ,arcesilas appeared not only true1 but honourable and worthy of a wise man4 ,perhaps he asked of ,zeno what would happen if a wise man could not possibly perceive anything1 and if to form mere opinion was unworthy of a wise man8 ,he answered1 ,i suppose1 that the wise man never would form mere opinion1 since there were things which admitted of being perceived4 ,what then were they8 ,perceptions1 ,i suppose4 ,what sort of perceptions then8 ,in reply to this he gave a definition1 ,that it was such as is impressed and stamped upon and figured in us1 according to and conformably to something which exists4 ,afterwards the question was asked1 whether1 if such a perception was true1 it was of the same character as one that was false8 ,here ,zeno saw clearly enough that there was no perception that could be perceived at all1 if the perception derived from that which is1 could possibly resemble that which is derived from that which is not4 ,arcesilas was quite right in admitting this4 ,an addition was made to the definition2 namely1 ,that nothing false could be perceived2 nor anything true either1 if it was of such a character as that which was false4 ,but he applied himself diligently to these discussions1 in order to prove that no perception originated in what was true of such a kind that there might not be a similar one originating in what was false4 ,and this is the one subject of controversy which has lasted to this day4 ,for the other doctrine1 that the wise man would never assent to anything1 had nothing to do with this question4 ,for it was quite possible for a man to perceive nothing1 and nevertheless to be guided at times by opinion2 which is said to have been admitted by ,carneades4 ,i1 indeed1 trusting rather to ,clitomachus than to ,philo or ,metrodorus1 believe that he argued this point rather than that he admitted it4 ,,xxv4 ,however1 let us say no more about this4 ,undoubtedly1 when opinion and perception are put an end to1 the retention of every kind of assent must follow2 as1 if ,i prove that nothing can be perceived1 you would then grant that a philosopher would never assent to anything4 ,what is there then that can be perceived1 if even the senses do not warn us of the truth8 ,but you1 ,o ,lucullus1 defend them by a common topic2 and to prevent you from being able to do so it was1 that ,i yesterday1 when it was not otherwise necessary1 said so much against the senses4 ,but you say that you are not at all moved by 8the broken oar0 or 8the dove's neck40 ,in the first place1 ,i will ask why8--for in the case of the oar1 ,i feel that that which appears to be the case1 is not really so2 and that in the dove's neck there appear to be many colours1 but are not in reality more than one4 ,have we1 then1 said nothing more than this8 ,let all our arguments stand3 that man is tearing his cause to pieces2 he says that his senses are voracious4 ,therefore you have always one backer who will plead the cause at his own risk3 for ,epicurus brings the matter down to this point1 that if once in a man's life one of his senses has decided wrongly1 none of them is ever to be trusted4 ,this is what he calls being true1 and confiding in his own witnesses1 and urging his proofs to their just conclusion2 therefore ,timagoras the ,epicurean declares1 that when he had twisted his eye with his hand1 he had never seen two flames appear out of one candle3 for that the error was one of opinion1 and not one of his eyes2 just as if the question were what the fact is1 and not what it appears to be4 ,however1 he is just like his predecessors4 ,but as for you1 who say that of the things perceived by your senses1 some are true and some false1 how do you distinguish between them8 ,cease1 ,i beg of you1 to employ common topics3 we have plenty of them at home4 ,if any god were to ask you1 while your senses are sound and unimpaired1 whether you desire anything further1 what would you answer8 ,i wish1 indeed1 he would ask me6 ,you should hear how ill he treats us3 for how far are we to look in order to see the truth8 ,i can see the ,cuman villa of ,catulus from this place1 but not his villa near ,pompeii2 not that there is any obstacle interposed1 but my eyesight cannot extend so far4 ,what a superb view6 ,we see ,puteoli1 but we do not see our friend ,avianus1 though he may perhaps be walking in the portico of ,neptune2 there was1 however1 some one or other who is often spoken of in the ,schools who could see things that were a thousand and eighty furlongs off2 and some birds can see further still4 ,i should therefore answer your god boldly1 that ,i am not at all contented with these eyes of mine4 ,he will tell me1 perhaps1 that ,i can see better than some fishes2 which are not seen by us1 and which even now are beneath our eyes1 and yet they cannot look up far enough to see us3 therefore1 as water is shed around them1 so a dense air is around us4 ,but we desire nothing better4 ,what8 do you suppose that a mole longs for light8--nor would he complain to the god that he could not see far1 but rather that he saw incorrectly4 ,do you see that ship8 ,it appears to us to be standing still2 but to those who are in that ship1 this villa appears to be moving4 ,seek for the reason why it seems so1 and if you discover it ever so much1 and ,i do not know whether you may not be able to1 still you will have proved1 not that you have a trustworthy witness1 but that he has not given false evidence without sufficient reason4 ,,xxvi4 ,what need had ,i to speak of the ship8 for ,i saw that what ,i said about the oar was despised by you2 perhaps you expect something more serious4 ,what can be greater than the sun1 which the mathematicians affirm to be more than eighteen times as large as the earth8 ,how little does it appear to us6 ,to me1 indeed1 it seems about a foot in diameter2 but ,epicurus thinks it possible that it may be even less than it seems1 but not much2 nor does he think that it is much greater1 but that it is very near the size it seems to be3 so that our eyes are either quite correct1 or1 at all events1 not very incorrect4 ,what becomes then of the exception1 8,if once44480 ,however1 let us leave this credulous man1 who does not believe that the senses are ever wrong1--not even now1 when that sun1 which is borne along with such rapidity that it is impossible even to conceive how great its velocity is1 nevertheless seems to us to be standing still4 ,however1 to abridge the controversy1 consider1 ,i pray you1 within what narrow bounds you are confined4 ,there are four principles which conduct you to the conclusion that there is nothing which can be known1 or perceived1 or comprehended2--and it is about this that the whole dispute is4 ,the first principle is1 that some perceptions are false2 the second1 that such cannot be perceived2 the third1 that of perceptions between which there is no difference1 it is not possible that some of them can be perceived and that others cannot2 the fourth1 that there is no true perception proceeding from the senses1 to which there is not some other perception opposed which in no respect differs from it1 and which cannot be perceived4 ,now of these four principles1 the second and third are admitted by every one4 ,epicurus does not admit the first1 but you1 with whom we are now arguing1 admit that one too1--the whole contest is about the fourth4 ,the man1 then1 who saw ,publius ,servilius ,geminus1 if he thought that he saw ,quintus1 fell into a perception of that kind that could not be perceived2 because what was true was distinguished by no characteristic mark from what was false3 and if this distinctive mark were taken away1 what characteristic of the same kind could he have by which to recognise ,caius ,cotta1 who was twice consul with ,geminus1 which could not possibly be false8 ,you say that such a likeness as that is not in the nature of things4 ,you fight the question vigorously1 but you are fighting a peaceably disposed adversary4 ,grant1 then1 that it is not2 at all events1 it is possible that it should seem to be so2 therefore it will deceive the senses4 ,and if one likeness deceives them1 it will have made everything doubtful2 for when that judgment is once taken away by which alone things can be known1 then1 even if the person whom you see1 be really the person whom he appears to you to be1 still you will not judge by that characteristic which you say you ought1 being of such a character that one of the same kind cannot be false4 ,if1 therefore1 it is possible that ,publius ,geminus may appear to you to be ,quintus1 what certainty have you that he may not appear to you to be ,cotta though he is not1 since some things do appear to you to be what they are not8 ,you say that everything has its own peculiar genus2 that there is nothing the same as something else4 ,that is a stoic doctrine1 and one not very credible1 for they say that there is not a single hair or a single grain in every respect like another hair or grain4 ,these things could all be refuted1 but ,i do not wish to be contentious2 for it has nothing in the world to do with the question whether the things which are seen do not differ at all in any part1 or whether they cannot be distinguished from another even though they do differ4 ,but1 granting that there cannot be such a likeness between men1 can there not be such between statues8 ,tell me1 could not ,lysippus1 using the same brass1 the same composition of metals1 the same atmosphere1 water1 and all other appliances1 have made a hundred ,alexanders exactly alike8 ,how then could you distinguish between them8 ,again2 if ,i1 with this ring1 make a hundred impressions on the same piece of wax1 is it possible that there should be any difference to enable you to distinguish one from the other8--or1 shall you have to seek out some ring engraver1 since you have already found us a ,delian poulterer who could recognise his eggs8 ,,xxvii4 ,but you have recourse to art1 which you call in to the aid of the senses4 ,a painter sees what we do not see2 and as soon as a flute-player plays a note the air is recognised by a musician4 ,well8 ,does not this argument seem to tell against you1 if1 without great skill1 such as very few persons of our class attain to1 we can neither see nor hear8 ,then you give an excellent description of the skill with which nature has manufactured our senses1 and intellect1 and the whole construction of man1 in order to prevent my being alarmed at rashness of opinions4 ,can you also1 ,lucullus1 affirm that there is any power united with wisdom and prudence which has made1 or1 to use your own expression1 manufactured man8 ,what sort of a manufacture is that8 ,where is it exercised8 when8 why8 how8 ,these points are all handled ingeniously1 they are discussed even elegantly4 ,let it be said even that they appear likely2 only let them not be affirmed positively4 ,but we will discuss natural philosophy hereafter1 and1 indeed1 we will do so that you1 who said a little while ago that ,i should speak of it1 may appear not to have spoken falsely4 ,however1 to come to what is clearer1 ,i shall now bring forward general facts on which whole volumes have been filled1 not only by those of our own ,school1 but also by ,chrysippus4 ,but the ,stoics complain of him1 that1 while he studiously collected every argument which could be brought forward against the senses and clearness1 and against all custom1 and against reason1 when he came to reply to himself1 he was inferior to what he had been at first2 and therefore that1 in fact1 he put arms into the hands of ,carneades4 ,those arguments are such as have been ingeniously handled by you4 ,you said that the perceptions of men asleep1 or drunk1 or mad1 were less vigorous than those of men awake1 sober1 and sane4 ,how do you prove that8 because1 when ,ennius had awakened1 he would not say that he had seen ,homer1 but only that ,homer had seemed to be present4 ,and ,alcmon says-- ,my heart distrusts the witness of my eyes4 ,and one may say the same of men who are drunk4 ,as if any one denied that when a man has awakened he ceases to think his dreams true2 and that a man whose frenzy has passed away1 no longer conceives those things to be real which appeared so to him during his madness4 ,but that is not the question3 the question is1 how those things appear to us1 at the time when they do appear4 ,unless1 indeed1 we suppose that ,ennius heard the whole of that address-- ,o piety of the soul4444 7if1 indeed1 he did dream it71 just as he would have heard it if he had been awake4 ,for when awake1 he was able to think those things phantoms--as1 in fact1 they were--and dreams4 ,but while he was asleep1 he felt as sure of their reality as if he had been awake4 ,again1 ,iliona1 in that dream of hers1 where she hears-- ,mother1 ,i call on you4444 does she not believe that her son has spoken1 just as she would have believed it if she had been awake8 ,on which account she adds-- ,come now1 stand here1 remain1 and hear my words1 ,and once again repeat those words to me4 ,does she here seem to place less trust in what she has seen than people do when awake8 ,,xxviii4 ,why should ,i speak of madmen8--such as your relation ,tuditanus was1 ,catulus4 ,does any man1 who may be ever so much in his senses1 think the things which he sees as certain as he used to think those that appeared to him8 ,again1 the man who cries out-- ,i see you now1 ,i see you now alive1 ,ulysses1 while such sight is still allow'd me2 does he not twice cry out that he is seeing what he never sees at all8 ,again1 when ,hercules1 in ,euripides1 shot his own sons with his arrows1 taking them for the sons of ,eurystheus1--when he slew his wife1--when he endeavoured even to slay his father1--was he not worked upon by false ideas1 just as he might have been by true ones8 ,again1 does not your own ,alcmon1 who says that his heart distrusts the witness of his eyes1 say in the same place1 while inflamed by frenzy-- ,whence does this flame arise8 ,and presently afterwards-- ,come on2 come on2 they hasten1 they approach2 ,they seek for me4 ,listen1 how he implores the good faith of the virgin3-- ,o bring me aid2 ,o drive this pest away2 ,this fiery power which now doth torture me2 ,see1 they advance1 dark shades1 with flames encircled1 ,and stand around me with their blazing torches4 ,have you any doubt here that he appears to himself to see these things8 ,and then the rest of his speech3-- ,see how ,apollo1 fair-hair'd ,god1 ,draws in and bends his golden bow2 ,while on the left fair ,dian waves her torch4 ,how could he have believed these things any more if they had really existed than he did when they only seemed to exist8 ,for it is clear that at the moment his heart was not distrusting his eyes4 ,but all these instances are cited in order to prove that than which nothing can be more certain1 namely1 that between true and false perceptions there is no difference at all1 as far as the assent of the mind is concerned4 ,but you prove nothing when you merely refute those false perceptions of men who are mad or dreaming1 by their own recollection4 ,for the question is not what sort of recollection those people usually have who have awakened1 or those who have recovered from madness1 but what sort of perception madmen or dreamers had at the moment when they were under the influence of their madness or their dream4 ,however1 we will say no more about the senses4 ,what is there that can be perceived by reason8 ,you say that ,dialectics have been discovered1 and that that science is1 as it were1 an arbiter and judge of what is true and false4 ,of what true and false8--and of true and false on what subject8 ,will a dialectician be able to judge1 in geometry1 what is true and false1 or in literature1 or in music8 ,he knows nothing about those things4 ,in philosophy1 then8 ,what is it to him how large the sun is8 or what means has he which may enable him to judge what the chief good is8 ,what then will he judge of8 ,of what combination or disjunction of ideas is accurate1--of what is an ambiguous expression1--of what follows from each fact1 or what is inconsistent with it8 ,if the science of dialectics judges of these things1 or things like them1 it is judging of itself4 ,but it professed more4 ,for to judge of these matters is not sufficient for the resolving of the other numerous and important questions which arise in philosophy4 ,but1 since you place so much importance in that art1 ,i would have you to consider whether it was not invented for the express purpose of being used against you4 ,for1 at its first opening1 it gives an ingenious account of the elements of speaking1 and of the manner in which one may come to an understanding of ambiguous expressions1 and of the principles of reasoning3 then1 after a few more things1 it comes to the sorites1 a very slippery and hazardous topic1 and a class of argument which you yourself pronounced to be a vicious one4 ,,xxix4 ,what then1 you will say2 are we to be blamed for that viciousness8 ,the nature of things has not given us any knowledge of ends1 so as to enable us1 in any subject whatever1 to say how far we can go4 ,nor is this the case only in respect of the heap of wheat1 from which the name is derived1 but in no matter whatever where the argument is conducted by minute questions3 for instance1 if the question be whether a man is rich or poor1 illustrious or obscure1--whether things be many or few1 great or small1 long or short1 broad or narrow1--we have no certain answer to give1 how much must be added or taken away to make the thing in question either one or the other4 ,but the sorites is a vicious sort of argument3--crush it1 then1 if you can1 to prevent its being troublesome2 for it will be so1 if you do not guard against it4 ,we have guarded against it1 says he4 ,for ,chrysippus's plan is1 when he is interrogated step by step 7by way of giving an instance71 whether there are three1 or few1 or many1 to rest a little before he comes to the 8many20 that is to say1 to use their own language1 4 ,rest and welcome1 says ,carneades2 you may even snore1 for all ,i care4 ,but what good does he do8 ,for one follows who will waken you from sleep1 and question you in the same manner3--,take the number1 after the mention of which you were silent1 and if to that number ,i add one1 will there be many8 ,you will again go on1 as long as you think fit4 ,why need ,i say more8 for you admit this1 that you cannot in your answers fix the last number which can be classed as 8few10 nor the first1 which amounts to 8many40 ,and this kind of uncertainty extends so widely1 that ,i do not see any bounds to its progress4 ,nothing hurts me1 says he2 for ,i1 like a skilful driver1 will rein in my horses before ,i come to the end1 and all the more if the ground which the horses are approaching is precipitous4 ,and thus1 too1 says he1 ,i will check myself1 and not reply any more to one who addresses me with captious questions4 ,if you have a clear answer to make1 and refuse to make it1 you are giving yourself airs2 if you have not1 even you yourself do not perceive it4 ,if you stop1 because the question is obscure1 ,i admit that it is so2 but you say that you do not proceed as far as what is obscure4 ,you stop1 then1 where the case is still clear4 ,if then all you do is to hold your tongue1 you gain nothing by that4 ,for what does it matter to the man who wishes to catch you1 whether he entangles you owing to your silence or to your talking8 ,suppose1 for instance1 you were to say1 without hesitation1 that up to the number nine1 is 8few10 but were to pause at the tenth2 then you would be refusing your assent to what is certain and evident1 and yet you will not allow me to do the same with respect to subjects which are obscure4 ,that art1 therefore1 does not help you against the sorites2 inasmuch as it does not teach a man1 who is using either the increasing or diminishing scale1 what is the first point1 or the last4 ,may ,i not say that that same art1 like ,penelope undoing her web1 at last undoes all the arguments which have gone before8 ,is that your fault1 or ours8 ,in truth1 it is the foundation of dialectics1 that whatever is enunciated 7and that is what they call 1 which answers to our word effatum17 is either true or false4 ,what1 then1 is the case8 ,are these true or false8 ,if you say that you are speaking falsely1 and that that is true1 you are speaking falsely and telling the truth at the same time4 ,this1 forsooth1 you say is inexplicable2 and that is more odious than our language1 when we call things uncomprehended1 and not perceived4 ,,xxx4 ,however1 ,i will pass over all this4 ,i ask1 if those things cannot be explained1 and if no means of judging of them is discovered1 so that you can answer whether they are true or false1 then what has become of that definition1--8,that a proposition 7effatum7 is something which is either true or false80 ,after the facts are assumed ,i will add1 that of them some are to be adopted1 others impeached1 because they are contrary to the first4 ,what then do you think of this conclusion1--8,if you say that the sun shines1 and if you speak truth1 therefore the sun does shine80 ,at all events you approve of the kind of argument1 and you say that the conclusion has been most correctly inferred4 ,therefore1 in teaching1 you deliver that as the first mood in which to draw conclusions4 ,either1 therefore1 you will approve of every other conclusion in the same mood1 or that art of yours is good for nothing4 ,consider1 then1 whether you are inclined to approve of this conclusion2--8,if you say that you are a liar1 and speak the truth1 then you are a liar4 ,but you do say that you are a liar1 and you do speak the truth1 therefore you are a liar40 ,how can you avoid approving of this conclusion1 when you approved of the previous one of the same kind8 ,these are the arguments of ,chrysippus1 which even he himself did not refute4 ,for what could he do with such a conclusion as this1--8,if it shines1 it shines3 but it does shine1 therefore it does shine80 ,he must give in2 for the principle of the connexion compels you to grant the last proposition after you have once granted the first4 ,and in what does this conclusion differ from the other1--8,if you lie1 you lie2 but you do lie1 therefore you do lie80 ,you assert that it is impossible for you either to approve or disapprove of this3 if so1 how can you any more approve or disapprove of the other8 ,if the art1 or the principle1 or the method1 or the force of the one conclusion avails1 they exist in exactly the same degree in both4 ,this1 however1 is their last resource4 ,they demand that one should make an exception with regard to these points which are inexplicable4 ,i give my vote for their going to some tribune of the people2 for they shall never obtain this exception from me4 ,in truth1 when they cannot prevail on ,epicurus1 who despises and ridicules the whole science of dialectics1 to grant this proposition to be true1 which we may express thus--8,hermachus will either be alive to-morrow or he will not20 when the dialecticians lay it down that every disjunctive proposition1 such as 8either yes or no0 is not only true but necessary2 you may see how cautious he is1 whom they think slow4 ,for1 says he1 if ,i should grant that one of the two alternatives is necessary1 it will then be necessary either that ,hermachus should be alive to-morrow1 or not4 ,but there is no such necessity in the nature of things4 ,let the dialecticians then1 that is to say1 ,antiochus and the ,stoics1 contend with him1 for he upsets the whole science of dialectics4 ,for if a disjunctive proposition made up of contraries1 7,i call those propositions contraries when one affirms and the other denies17 if1 ,i say1 such a disjunctive can be false1 then no one is ever true4 ,but what quarrel have they with me who am following their system8 ,when anything of that kind happened1 ,carneades used to joke in this way3--8,if ,i have drawn my conclusion correctly1 ,i gain the cause3 if incorrectly1 ,diogenes shall pay back a mina20 for he had learnt dialectics of that ,stoic1 and a mina was the pay of the dialecticians4 ,i1 therefore1 follow that system which ,i learnt from ,antiochus2 and ,i find no reason why ,i should judge 8,if it does shine1 it does shine0 to be true1 because ,i have learnt that everything which is connected with itself is true2 and yet not judge 8,if you lie1 you lie10 to be connected with itself in the same manner4 ,either1 therefore1 ,i must judge both this and that to be true1 or1 if ,i may not judge this to be true1 then ,i cannot judge that to be4 ,,xxxi4 ,however1 to pass over all those prickles1 and all that tortuous kind of discussion1 and to show what we are3--after having explained the whole theory of ,carneades1 all the quibbles of ,antiochus will necessarily fall to pieces4 ,nor will ,i say anything in such a way as to lead any one to suspect that anything is invented by me4 ,i will take what ,i say from ,clitomachus1 who was with ,carneades till his old age1 a man of great shrewdness1 7indeed1 he was a ,carthaginian17 and very studious and diligent4 ,and he has written four books on the subject of withholding assent2 but what ,i am going to say is taken out of the first4 ,carneades asserts that there are two kinds of appearances2 and that the first kind may be divided into those which can be perceived and those which cannot2 and the other into those which are probable and those which are not4 ,therefore1 those which are pronounced to be contrary to the senses and contrary to evidentness belong to the former division2 but that nothing can be objected to those of the second kind4 ,wherefore his opinion is1 that there is no appearance of such a character that perception will follow it1 but many such as to draw after them probability4 ,indeed1 it would be contrary to nature if nothing were probable2 and that entire overturning of life1 which you were speaking of1 ,lucullus1 would ensue4 ,therefore there are many things which may be proved by the senses2 only one must recollect that there is not in them anything of such a character that there may not also be something which is false1 but which in no respect differs from it in appearance2 and so1 whatever happens which is probable in appearance1 if nothing offers itself which is contrary to that probability1 the wise man will use it2 and in this way the whole course of life will be regulated4 ,and1 in truth1 that wise man whom you are bringing on the stage1 is often guided by what is probable1 not being comprehended1 nor perceived1 nor assented to1 but only likely2 and unless a man acts on such circumstances there is an end to the whole system of life4 ,for what must happen8 ,has the wise man1 when he embarks on board ship1 a positive comprehension and perception in his mind that he will have a successful voyage8 ,how can he8 ,but suppose he goes from this place to ,puteoli1 thirty furlongs1 in a seaworthy vessel1 with a good pilot1 and in fine weather like this1 it appears probable that he will arrive there safe4 ,according to appearances of this kind1 then1 he will make up his mind to act or not to act2 and he will be more willing to find the snow white than ,anaxagoras1 who not only denied that fact1 but who affirmed1 because he knew that water1 from which snow was congealed1 was of a dark colour1 that snow did not even look white4 ,and he will be influenced by anything which affects him in such a way that the appearance is probable1 and not interfered with by any obstacle4 ,for such a man is not cut out of stone or hewn out of oak4 ,he has a body1 he has a mind1 he is influenced by intellect1 he is influenced by his senses1 so that many things appear to him to be true1 and yet not to have conspicuous and peculiar characteristics by which to be perceived4 ,and therefore the wise man does not assent to them1 because it is possible that something false may exist of the same kind as this true thing4 ,nor do we speak against the senses differently from the ,stoics1 who say that many things are false1 and are very different from the appearance which they present to the senses4 ,,xxxii4 ,but if this is the case1 that one false idea can be entertained by the senses1 you will find some one in a moment who will deny that anything can be perceived by the senses4 ,and so1 while we are silent1 all perception and comprehension is done away with by the two principles laid down1 one by ,epicurus and the other by you4 ,what is ,epicurus's maxim8--,if anything that appears to the senses be false1 then nothing can be perceived4 ,what is yours8--,the appearances presented to the senses are false4--,what is the conclusion8 ,even if ,i hold my tongue1 it speaks for itself1 that nothing can be perceived4 ,i do not grant that1 says he1 to ,epicurus4 ,argue then with him1 as he is wholly at variance with you1 but leave me alone1 who certainly agree with you so far1 that the senses are liable to error4 ,although nothing appears so strange to me1 as that such things should be said1 especially by ,antiochus1 to whom the propositions which ,i have just mentioned were thoroughly known4 ,for although1 if he pleases1 any one may find fault with this1 namely with our denying that anything can be perceived2 at all events it is not a very serious reproof that we can have to endure4 ,but as for our statement that some things are probable1 this does not seem to you to be sufficient4 ,grant that it is not4 ,at least we ought to escape the reproaches which are incessantly bandied about by you1 8,can you1 then1 see nothing8 can you hear nothing8 is nothing evident to you80 ,i explained just now1 on the testimony of ,clitomachus1 in what manner ,carneades intended those statements to be taken4 ,hear now1 how the same things are stated by ,clitomachus in that book which he dedicated to ,caius ,lucilius1 the poet1 after he had written on the same subject to ,lucius ,censorinus1 the one1 ,i mean1 who was consul with ,marcus ,manilius2 he then used almost these very words2 for ,i am well acquainted with them1 because the first idea and arrangement of those very matters which we are now discussing is contained in that book4 ,he then uses the following language-- 8,the philosophers of the ,academy are of opinion that there are differences between things of such a kind that some appear probable1 and others the contrary4 ,but that it is not a sufficient reason for one's saying that some of these can be perceived and that others cannot1 because many things which are false are probable2 but nothing false can be perceived and known4 ,therefore1 says he1 those men are egregiously wrong who say that the ,academics deny the existence of the senses2 for they have never said that there is no such thing as colour1 or taste1 or sound2 the only point they argue for is1 that there is not in them that peculiar characteristic mark of truth and certainty which does not exist anywhere else40 ,and after having explained this1 he adds1 that there are two senses in which the wise man may be said to suspend his assent3 one1 when it is understood that he1 as a general rule1 assents to nothing2 the other1 when he forbears answering1 so as to say that he approves or disapproves of anything1 or1 so as to deny or affirm anything4 ,this being the case1 he approves of the one sense1 so as never to assent to anything2 and adheres to the other1 so as to be able to answer yes1 or no1 following probability whenever it either occurs or is wanting4 ,and that one may not be astonished at one1 who in every matter withholds himself from expressing his assent1 being nevertheless agitated and excited to action1 he leaves us perceptions of the sort by which we are excited to action1 and those owing to which we can1 when questioned1 answer either way1 being guided only by appearances1 as long as we avoid expressing a deliberate assent4 ,and yet we must look upon all appearances of that kind as probable1 but only those which have no obstacles to counteract them4 ,if we do not induce you to approve of these ideas1 they may perhaps be false1 but they certainly do not deserve odium4 ,for we are not depriving you of any light2 but with reference to the things which you assert are perceived and comprehended1 we say1 that if they be only probable1 they appear to be true4 ,,xxxiii4 ,since1 therefore1 what is probable1 is thus inferred and laid down1 and at the same time disencumbered of all difficulties1 set free and unrestrained1 and disentangled from all extraneous circumstances2 you see1 ,lucullus1 that that defence of perspicuity which you took in hand is utterly overthrown4 ,for this wise man of whom ,i am speaking will survey the heaven and earth and sea with the same eyes as your wise man2 and will feel with the same senses all those other things which fall under each respective sense4 ,that sea1 which now1 as the west wind is rising over it1 appears purple to us1 will appear so too to our wise man1 but nevertheless he will not sanction the appearance by his assent2 because1 to us ourselves it appeared just now blue1 and in the morning it appeared yellow2 and now1 too1 because it sparkles in the sun1 it is white and dimpled1 and quite unlike the adjacent continent2 so that1 even if you could give an account why it is so1 still you could not establish the truth of the appearance that is presented to the eyes4 ,whence then1--for this was the question which you asked1--comes memory1 if we perceive nothing1 since we cannot recollect anything which we have seen unless we have comprehended it8 ,what8 ,did ,polynus1 who is said to have been a great mathematician1 after he had been persuaded by ,epicurus to believe all geometry to be false1 forget all the knowledge which he had previously possessed8 ,but that which is false cannot be comprehended as you yourselves assert4 ,if1 therefore1 memory is conversant only with things which have been perceived and comprehended1 then it retains as comprehended and perceived all that every one remembers4 ,but nothing false can be comprehended2 and ,scyron recollects all the dogmas of ,epicurus2 therefore they are all true4 ,for all ,i care1 they may be2 but you also must either admit that they are so1 and that is the last thing in your thoughts1 or else you must allow me memory1 and grant that there is plenty of room for it1 even if there be no comprehension or perception4 ,what then is to become of the arts8 ,of what arts8 of those1 which of their own accord confess that they proceed on conjecture more than on knowledge2 or of those which only follow what appears to them1 and are destitute of that art which you possess to enable them to distinguish between truth and falsehood8 ,but there are two lights which1 more than any others1 contain the whole case2 for1 in the first place1 you deny the possibility of any man invariably withholding his assent from everything4 ,but that is quite plain2 since ,pantius1 almost the greatest man1 in my opinion1 of all the ,stoics1 says that he is in doubt as to that matter1 which all the ,stoics except him think absolutely certain1 namely as to the truth of the auspices taken by soothsayers1 and of oracles1 and dreams1 and prophecies2 and forbears to express any assent respecting them4 ,and why1 if he may pursue this course concerning those matters1 which the men of whom he himself learnt considered unquestionable1 why may not a wise man do so too in all other cases8 ,is there any position which a man may either approve or disapprove of after it has been asserted1 but yet may not doubt about8 ,may you do so with respect to the sorites whenever you please1 and may not he take his stand in the same manner in other cases1 especially when without expressing his assent he may be able to follow a probability which is not embarrassed by anything8 ,the second point is that you declare that man incapable of action who withholds his assent from everything4 ,for first of all we must see in what assent consists4 ,for the ,stoics say that the senses themselves are assents2 that desire comes after them1 and action after desire4 ,but that every thing is at an end if we deny perception4 ,,xxxiv4 ,now on this subject many things have been said and written on both sides1 but the whole matter may be summed up in a few words4 ,for although ,i think it a very great exploit to resist one's perceptions1 to withstand one's vague opinions1 to check one's propensity to give assent to propositions1--and though ,i quite agree with ,clitomachus1 when he writes that ,carneades achieved a ,herculean labour when1 as if it had been a savage and formidable monster1 he extracted assent1 that is to say1 vague opinion and rashness1 from our minds1--yet1 supposing that part of the defence is wholly omitted1 what will hinder the action of that man who follows probability1 without any obstacle arising to embarrass him8 ,this thing of itself1 says he1 will embarrass him1--that he will lay it down1 that even the thing he approves of cannot be perceived4 ,and that will hinder you1 also1 in sailing1 in planting1 in marrying a wife1 in becoming the parent of children1 and in many things in which you follow nothing except what is probable4 ,and1 nevertheless1 you bring up again that old and often repudiated objection1 to employ it not as ,antipater did1 but1 as you say1 in a closer manner4 ,for you tell us that ,antipater was blamed for saying1 that it was consistent in a man who affirmed that nothing could be comprehended1 to say that at least this fact of that impossibility could be comprehended2 which appeared even to ,antiochus to be a stupid kind of assertion1 and contradictory to itself4 ,for that it cannot be said with any consistency that nothing can be comprehended1 if it is asserted at the same time that the fact of the impossibility can be comprehended4 ,he thinks that ,carneades ought rather to be pressed in this way3--,as the wise man admits of no dogma except such as is comprehended1 perceived1 and known1 he must therefore confess that this very dogma of the wise man1 8that nothing can be perceived10 is perceived2 as if the wise man had no other maxim whatever1 and as if he could pass his life without any4 ,but as he has others1 which are probable1 but not positively perceived1 so also has he this one1 that nothing can be perceived4 ,for if he had on this point any characteristic of certain knowledge1 he would also have it on all other points2 but since he has it not1 he employs probabilities4 ,therefore he is not afraid of appearing to be throwing everything into confusion1 and making it uncertain4 ,for it is not admissible for a person to say that he is ignorant about duty1 and about many other things with which he is constantly mixed up and conversant2 as he might say1 if he were asked whether the number of the stars is odd or even4 ,for in things uncertain1 nothing is probable2 but as to those matters in which there is probability1 in those the wise man will not be at a loss what to do1 or what answer to give4 ,nor have you1 ,o ,lucullus1 omitted that other objection of ,antiochus 7and1 indeed1 it is no wonder1 for it is a very notorious one17 by which he used to say that ,philo was above all things perplexed4 ,for when one proposition was assumed1 that some appearances were false1 and a second one that there was no difference between them and true ones1 he said that that school omitted to take notice that the former proposition had been granted by him1 because there did appear to be some difference between appearances2 but that that was put an end to by the second proposition1 which asserted that there was no difference between false and true ones2 for that no two assertions could be more contradictory4 ,and this objection would be correct if we altogether put truth out of the question3 but we do not2 for we see both true appearances and false ones4 ,but there is a show of probability in them1 though of perception we have no sign whatever4 ,,xxxv4 ,and ,i seem to myself to be at this moment adopting too meagre an argument2 for1 when there is a wide plain1 in which our discourse may rove at liberty1 why should we confine it within such narrow straits1 and drive it into the thickets of the ,stoics8 ,for if ,i were arguing with a ,peripatetic1 who said 8that everything could be perceived which was an impression originating in the truth10 and who did not employ that additional clause1--8in such a way as it could not originate in what was false10 ,i should then deal plainly with a plain man1 and should not be very disputatious4 ,and even if1 when ,i said that nothing could be comprehended1 he was to say that a wise man was sometimes guided by opinion1 ,i should not contradict him2 especially as even ,carneades is not very hostile to this idea4 ,as it is1 what can ,i do8 ,for ,i am asking what there is that can be comprehended2 and ,i am answered1 not by ,aristotle1 or ,theophrastus1 or even ,xenocrates or ,polemo1 but by one who is of much later date than they1--8,a truth of such a nature as what is false cannot be40 ,i find nothing of the sort4 ,therefore ,i will1 in truth1 assent to what is unknown2--that is to say1 ,i will be guided by opinion4 ,this ,i am allowed to do both by the ,peripatetics and by the ,old ,academy2 but you refuse me such indulgence1 and in this refusal ,antiochus is the foremost1 who has great weight with me1 either because ,i loved the man1 as he did me1 or because ,i consider him the most refined and acute of all the philosophers of our age4 ,and1 first of all1 ,i will ask him how it is that he is a follower of that ,academy to which he professes to belong8 ,for1 to pass over other points1 who is there1 either of the ,old ,academy or of the ,peripatetics1 who has ever made these two assertions which are the subject of discussion1--either that that alone could be perceived which was a truth of such a nature1 as what was false could not be2 or that a wise man was never guided by opinion8 ,certainly no one of them ever said so4 ,neither of these propositions was much maintained before ,zeno's time4 ,but ,i consider both of them true2 and ,i do not say so just to serve the present turn1 but it is my honest opinion4 ,,xxxvi4 ,this is what ,i cannot bear4 ,when you forbid me to assent to what ,i do not know1 and say such a proceeding is most discreditable1 and full of rashness1--when you1 at the same time1 arrogate so much to yourself1 as to take upon yourself to explain the whole system of wisdom1 to unfold the nature of all things1 to form men's manners1 to fix the limits of good and evil1 to describe men's duties1 and also to undertake to teach a complete rule and system of disputing and understanding1 will you be able to prevent me from never tripping while embracing all those multitudinous branches of knowledge8 ,what1 in short1 is that school to which you would conduct me1 after you have carried me away from this one8 ,i fear you will be acting rather arrogantly if you say it is your own4 ,still you must inevitably say so4 ,nor1 indeed1 are you the only person who would say such a thing1 but every one will try and tempt me to his own4 ,come2 suppose ,i resist the ,peripatetics1 who say that they are closely connected with the orators1 and that illustrious men who have been instructed by them have often governed the republic2--suppose that ,i withstand the ,epicureans1 so many of whom are friends of my own1--excellent1 united1 and affectionate men2--what am ,i to do with respect to ,deodotus the ,stoic1 of whom ,i have been a pupil from my youth1--who has been living with me so many years1--who dwells in my house1--whom ,i admire and love1 and who despises all those theories of ,antiochus8 ,our principles1 you will say1 are the only true ones4 ,certainly the only true ones1 if they are true at all2 for there cannot be many true principles incompatible with one another4 ,are we then shameless who are unwilling to make mistakes2 or they arrogant who have persuaded themselves that they are the only people who know everything8 ,i do not1 says he1 assert that ,i1 but that the wise man knows everything4 ,exactly so2 that he knows those things which are the principles of your school4 ,now1 in the first place1 what an assertion it is that wisdom cannot be explained by a wise man4--,but let us leave off speaking of ourselves2 let us speak of the wise man1 about whom1 as ,i have often said before1 the whole of this discussion is4 ,wisdom1 then1 is distributed by most people1 and indeed by us1 into three parts4 ,first therefore1 if you please1 let us consider the researches that have been made into the nature of things4 ,is there any one so puffed up with a false opinion of himself as to have persuaded himself that he knows those things8 ,i am not asking about those reasons which depend on conjecture1 which are dragged every way by discussions1 and which do not admit any necessity of persuasion4 ,let the geometricians look to that1 who profess not to persuade men to believe them1 but to compel them to do so2 and who prove to you everything that they describe4 ,i am not asking these men for those principles of the mathematicians1 which1 if they be not granted1 they cannot advance a single step2 such as that a point is a thing which has no magnitude1--that an extremity or levelness1 as it were1 is a space which has no thickness1--that a line is length without breadth4 ,though ,i should grant that all these axioms are true1 if ,i were to add an oath1 do you think a wise man would swear that the sun is many degrees greater than the earth1 before ,archimedes had1 before his eyes1 made out all those calculations by which it is proved8 ,if he does1 then he will be despising the sun which he considers a god4 ,but if he will not believe the mathematical calculations which employ a sort of constraint in teaching1--as you yourselves say1--surely he will be very far from believing the arguments of philosophers2 or1 if he does believe any such1 which school will he believe8 ,one may explain all the principles of natural philosophers1 but it would take a long time3 ,i ask1 however1 whom he will follow8 ,suppose for a moment that some one is now being made a wise man1 but is not one yet1--what system and what school shall he select above all others8 ,for1 whatever one he selects1 he will select while he is still unwise4 ,but grant that he is a man of godlike genius1 which of all the natural philosophers will he approve of above all others8 ,for he cannot approve of more than one4 ,i will not pursue an infinite number of questions2 only let us see whom he will approve of with respect to the elements of things of which all things are composed2 for there is a great disagreement among the greatest men on this subject4 ,,xxxvii4 ,first of all1 ,thales1 one of the seven1 to whom they say that the other six yielded the preeminence1 said that everything originated out of water2 but he failed to convince ,anaximander1 his countryman and companion1 of this theory2 for his idea was that there was an infinity of nature from which all things were produced4 ,after him1 his pupil1 ,anaximenes1 said that the air was infinite1 but that the things which were generated from it were finite2 and that the earth1 and water1 and fire1 were generated1 and that from them was produced everything else4 ,anaxagoras said that matter was infinite2 but that from it were produced minute particles resembling one another2 that at first they were confused1 but afterwards brought into order by divine intellect4 ,xenophanes1 who was a little more ancient still1 asserted that all things were only one single being1 and that that being was immutable and a god1 not born1 but everlasting1 of a globular form4 ,parmenides considered that it is fire that moves the earth1 which is formed out of it4 ,leucippus thought that there was a plenum1 and a vacuum2 ,democritus resembled him in this idea1 but was more copious on other matters3 ,empedocles adopts the theory of the four ordinary and commonly known elements4 ,heraclitus refers everything to fire2 ,melissus thinks that what exists is infinite1 immutable1 always has existed1 and always will4 ,plato thinks that the world was made by ,god1 so as to be eternal1 out of matter which collects everything to itself4 ,the ,pythagoreans affirm that everything proceeds from numbers1 and from the principles of mathematicians4 ,now of all these different teachers the wise man will1 ,i imagine1 select some one to follow2 all the rest1 numerous1 and great men as they are1 will be discarded by him and condemned2 but whichever doctrine he approves of he will retain in his mind1 being comprehended in the same manner as those things which he comprehends by means of the senses2 nor will he feel any greater certainty of the fact of its now being day1 than1 since he is a ,stoic1 of this world being wise1 being endowed with intellect1 which has made both itself and the world1 and which regulates1 sets in motion1 and governs everything4 ,he will also be persuaded that the sun1 and moon1 and all the stars1 and the earth1 and sea1 are gods1 because a certain animal intelligence pervades and passes through them all3 but nevertheless that it will happen some day or other that all this world will be burnt up with fire4 ,,xxxviii4 ,suppose that all this is true3 7for you see already that ,i admit that something is true17 still ,i deny that these things are comprehended and perceived4 ,for when that wise ,stoic of yours has repeated all that to you1 syllable by syllable1 ,aristotle will come forward pouring forth a golden stream of eloquence1 and pronounce him a fool2 and assert that the world has never had a beginning1 because there never existed any beginning of so admirable a work from the adoption of a new plan3 and that the world is so excellently made in every part that no power could be great enough to cause such motion1 and such changes2 nor could any time whatever be long enough to produce an old age capable of causing all this beauty to decay and perish4 ,it will be indispensable for you to deny this1 and to defend the former doctrine as you would your own life and reputation2 may ,i not have even leave to entertain a doubt on the matter8 ,to say nothing about the folly of people who assent to propositions rashly1 what value am ,i to set upon a liberty which will not allow to me what is necessary for you8 ,why did ,god1 when he was making everything for the sake of man1 7for this is your doctrine17 make such a multitude of water-serpents and vipers8 ,why did he scatter so many pernicious and fatal things over the earth8 ,you assert that all this universe could not have been made so beautifully and so ingeniously without some godlike wisdom2 the majesty of which you trace down even to the perfection of bees and ants2 so that it would seem that there must have been a ,myrmecides7#ab7 among the gods2 the maker of all animated things4 ,you say that nothing can have any power without ,god4 ,exactly opposite is the doctrine of ,strato of ,lampsacus1 who gives that ,god of his exemption from all important business4 ,but as the priests of the gods have a holiday1 how much more reasonable is it that the gods should have one themselves8 ,he then asserts that he has no need of the aid of the gods to account for the making of the world4 ,everything that exists1 he says1 was made by ,nature3 not agreeing with that other philosopher who teaches1 that the universe is a concrete mass of rough and smooth1 and hooked and crooked bodies1 with the addition of a vacuum3 this he calls a dream of ,democritus1 and says that he is here not teaching1 but wishing2--but he himself1 examining each separate part of the world1 teaches that whatever exists1 and whatever is done1 is caused1 or has been caused1 by natural weights and motions4 ,in this way he releases ,god from a great deal of hard work1 and me from fear2 for who is there who1 7when he thinks that he is an object of divine care17 does not feel an awe of the divine power day and night8 ,and who1 whenever any misfortunes happen to him 7and what man is there to whom none happen87 feels a dread lest they may have befallen him deservedly--not1 indeed1 that ,i agree with that2 but neither do ,i with you3 at one time ,i think one doctrine more probable1 and at other times ,i incline to the other4 ,,xxxix4 ,all these mysteries1 ,o ,lucullus1 lie concealed and enveloped in darkness so thick that no human ingenuity has a sight sufficiently piercing to penetrate into heaven1 and dive into the earth4 ,we do not understand our own bodies3 we do not know what is the situation of their different parts1 or what power each part has3 therefore1 the physicians themselves1 whose business it was to understand these things1 have opened bodies in order to lay those parts open to view4 ,and yet empirics say that they are not the better known for that2 because it is possible that1 by being laid open and uncovered1 they may be changed4 ,but is it possible for us1 in the same manner1 to anatomize1 and open1 and dissect the natures of things1 so as to see whether the earth is firmly fixed on its foundations and sticks firm on its roots1 if ,i may so say1 or whether it hangs in the middle of a vacuum8 ,xenophanes says that the moon is inhabited1 and that it is a country of many cities and mountains4 ,these assertions seem strange1 but the man who has made them could not take his oath that such is the case2 nor could ,i take mine that it is not the case4 ,you also say that1 opposite to us1 on the contrary side of the earth1 there are people who stand with their feet opposite to our feet1 and you call them ,antipodes4 ,why are you more angry with me1 who do not despise these theories1 than with those who1 when they hear them1 think that you are beside yourselves8 ,hiretas of ,syracuse1 as ,theophrastus tells us1 thinks that the sun1 and moon1 and stars1 and all the heavenly bodies1 in short1 stand still2 and that nothing in the world moves except the earth2 and1 as that turns and revolves on its own axis with the greatest rapidity1 he thinks that everything is made to appear by it as if it were the heaven which is moved while the earth stands still4 ,and1 indeed1 some people think that ,plato1 in the ,timus1 asserts this1 only rather obscurely4 ,what is your opinion1 ,epicurus8 ,speak4 ,do you think that the sun is so small8--,do ,i8 ,do you yourselves think it so large8 ,but all of you are ridiculed by him1 and you in your turn mock him4 ,socrates1 then1 is free from this ridicule1 and so is ,ariston of ,chios1 who thinks that none of these matters can be known4 ,but ,i return to the mind and body4 ,is it sufficiently known by us what is the nature of the sinews and of the veins8 ,do we comprehend what the mind is8--where it is8--or1 in short1 whether it exists at all1 or whether1 as ,dicarchus thinks1 there is no such thing whatever8 ,if there is such a thing1 do we know whether it has three divisions1 as ,plato thought2 those of reason1 anger1 and desire8--or whether it is single and uniform8 ,if it is single and uniform1 do we know whether it is fire1 or breath1 or blood8--or1 as ,xenocrates says1 number without a body8--though1 what sort of thing that is1 is not very easy to understand4 ,and whatever it is1 do we know whether it is mortal or eternal8 ,for many arguments are alleged on both sides4 ,,xl4 ,some of these theories seem certain to your wise man3 but ours does not even see what is most probable2 so nearly equal in weight are the opposite arguments in most cases4 ,if you proceed more modestly1 and reproach me1 not because ,i do not assent to your reasoning1 but because ,i do not assent to any1 ,i will not resist any further3 but ,i will select some one with whom ,i may agree4 ,whom shall ,i choose8--whom8 ,democritus8 for1 as you know1 ,i have always been a favourer of noble birth4 ,i shall be at once overwhelmed with the reproaches of your whole body4 ,can you think1 they will say to me1 that there is any vacuum1 when everything is so filled and close packed that whenever any body leaves its place and moves1 the place which it leaves is immediately occupied by some other body8 ,or can you believe that there are any atoms to which whatever is made by their combination is entirely unlike8 or that any excellent thing can be made without intellect8 ,and1 since this admirable beauty is found in one world1 do you think that there are also innumerable other worlds1 above1 below1 on the right hand and on the left1 before1 and behind1 some unlike this one1 and some of the same kind8 ,and1 as we are now at ,bauli1 and are beholding ,puteoli1 do you think that there are in other places like these a countless host of men1 of the same names and rank1 and exploits1 and talents1 and appearances1 and ages1 arguing on the same subjects8 ,and if at this moment1 or when we are asleep1 we seem to see anything in our mind1 do you think that those images enter from without1 penetrating into our minds through our bodies8 ,you can never adopt such ideas as these1 or give your assent to such preposterous notions4 ,it is better to have no ideas at all than to have such erroneous ones as these4 ,your object1 then1 is not to make me sanction anything by my assent4 ,if it were1 consider whether it would not be an impudent1 not to say an arrogant demand1 especially as these principles of yours do not seem to me to be even probable4 ,for ,i do not believe that there is any such thing as divination1 which you assent to2 and ,i also despise fate1 by which you say that everything is regulated4 ,i do not even believe that this world was formed by divine wisdom2 or1 ,i should rather say1 ,i do not know whether it was so formed or not4 ,,xli4 ,but why should you seek to disparage me8 ,may ,i not confess that ,i do not understand what ,i really do not8 ,or may the ,stoics argue with one other1 and may ,i not argue with them8 ,zeno1 and nearly all the rest of the ,stoics1 consider ther as the ,supreme ,god1 being endued with reason1 by which everything is governed4 ,cleanthes1 who we may call a ,stoic1 ,majorum ,gentium1 the pupil of ,zeno1 thinks that the ,sun has the supreme rule over and government of everything4 ,we are compelled1 therefore1 by the dissensions of these wise men1 to be ignorant of our own ruler1 inasmuch as we do not know whether we are subjects of the ,sun or of ther4 ,but the great size of the sun1 7for this present radiance of his appears to be looking at me17 warns me to make frequent mention of him4 ,now you all speak of his magnitude as if you had measured it with a ten-foot rule1 7though ,i refuse credit to your measurement1 looking on you as but bad architects47 ,is there then any room for doubt1 which of us1 to speak as gently as possible1 is the more modest of the two8 ,not1 however1 that ,i think those questions of the natural philosophers deserving of being utterly banished from our consideration2 for the consideration and contemplation of nature is a sort of natural food1 if ,i may say so1 for our minds and talents4 ,we are elevated by it1 we seem to be raised above the earth1 we look down on human affairs2 and by fixing our thoughts on high and heavenly things we despise the affairs of this life1 as small and inconsiderable4 ,the mere investigation of things of the greatest importance1 which are at the same time very secret1 has a certain pleasure in it4 ,and when anything meets us which appears likely1 our minds are filled with pleasure thoroughly worthy of a man4 ,both your wise man and ours1 then1 will inquire into these things2 but yours will do so in order to assent1 to feel belief1 to express affirmation2 ours1 with such feelings that he will fear to yield rashly to opinion1 and will think that he has succeeded admirably if in matters of this kind he has found out anything which is likely4 ,let us now come to the question of the knowledge of good and evil4 ,but we must say a few words by way of preface4 ,it appears to me that they who speak so positively about those questions of natural philosophy1 do not reflect that they are depriving themselves of the authority of those ideas which appear more clear4 ,for they cannot give a clearer assent to1 or a more positive approval of the fact that it is now daylight1 than they do1 when the crow croaks1 to the idea that it is commanding or prohibiting something4 ,nor will they affirm that that statue is six feet high more positively after they have measured it1 than that the sun1 which they cannot measure1 is more than eighteen times as large as the earth4 ,from which this conclusion arises3 if it cannot be perceived how large the sun is1 he who assents to other things in the same manner as he does to the magnitude of the sun1 does not perceive them4 ,but the magnitude of the sun cannot be perceived4 ,he1 then1 who assents to a statement about it1 as if he perceived it1 perceives nothing4 ,suppose they were to reply that it is possible to perceive how large the sun is2 ,i will not object as long as they admit that other things too can be perceived and comprehended in the same manner4 ,for they cannot affirm that one thing can be comprehended more or less than another1 since there is only one definition of the comprehension of everything4 ,,xlii4 ,however1 to go back to what ,i had begun to say--,what have we in good and bad certainly ascertained8 7we must1 of course1 fix boundaries to which the sum of good and evil is to be referred27 what subject1 in fact1 is there about which there is a greater disagreement between the most learned men8 ,i say nothing about those points which seem now to be abandoned2 or about ,herillus1 who places the chief good in knowledge and science3 and though he had been a pupil of ,zeno1 you see how far he disagrees with him1 and how very little he differs from ,plato4 ,the school of the ,megaric philosophers was a very celebrated one2 and its chief1 as ,i see it stated in books1 was ,xenophanes1 whom ,i mentioned just now4 ,after him came ,parmenides and ,zeno2 and from them the ,eleatic philosophers get their name4 ,afterwards came ,euclid of ,megara1 a pupil of ,socrates1 from whom that school got the name of ,megaric4 ,and they defined that as the only good which was always one1 alike1 and identical4 ,they also borrowed a great deal from ,plato4 ,but the ,eretrian philosophers1 who were so called from ,menedumus1 because he was a native of ,eretria1 placed all good in the mind1 and in that acuteness of the mind by which the truth is discerned4 ,the ,megarians say very nearly the same1 only that they1 ,i think1 develop their theory with more elegance and richness of illustration4 ,if we now despise these men1 and think them worthless1 at all events we ought to show more respect for ,ariston1 who1 having been a pupil of ,zeno1 adopted in reality the principles which he had asserted in words2 namely1 that there was nothing good except virtue1 and nothing evil except what was contrary to virtue2 and who denied altogether the existence of those influences which ,zeno contended for as being intermediate1 and neither good nor evil4 ,his idea of the chief good1 is being affected in neither direction by these circumstances2 and this state of mind he calls 2 but ,pyrrho asserts that the wise man does not even feel them2 and that state is called 4 ,to say nothing1 then1 of all these opinions1 let us now examine those others which have been long and vigorously maintained4 ,some have accounted pleasure the chief good2 the chief of whom was ,aristippus1 who had been a pupil of ,socrates1 and from whom the ,cyrenaic school spring4 ,after him came ,epicurus1 whose school is now better known1 though he does not exactly agree with the ,cyrenaics about pleasure itself4 ,but ,callipho thought that pleasure and honour combined made up the chief good4 ,hieronymus placed it in being free from all annoyance2 ,diodorus in this state when combined with honour4 ,both these last men were ,peripatetics4 ,to live honourably1 enjoying those things which nature makes most dear to man1 was the definition both of the ,old ,academy1 7as we may learn from the writings of ,polemo1 who is highly approved of by ,antiochus17 and of ,aristotle1 and it is the one to which his friends appear now to come nearest4 ,carneades also introduced a definition1 7not because he approved of it himself1 but for the sake of opposition to the ,stoics17 that the chief good is to enjoy those things which nature has made man consider as most desirable4 ,but ,zeno laid it down that that honourableness which arises from conformity to nature is the chief good4 ,and ,zeno was the founder and chief of the ,stoic school4 ,,xliii4 ,this now is plain enough1 that all these chief goods which ,i have mentioned have a chief evil corresponding to them1 which is their exact opposite4 ,i now put it to you1 whom shall ,i follow8 only do not let any one make me so ignorant and absurd a reply as1 ,any one1 provided only that you follow some one or other4 ,nothing more inconsiderate can be said3 ,i wish to follow the ,stoics4 ,will ,antiochus1 7,i do not say ,aristotle1 a man almost1 in my opinion1 unrivalled as a philosopher1 but will ,antiochus7 give me leave8 ,and he was called an ,academic2 but he would have been1 with very little alteration1 something very like a ,stoic4 ,the matter shall now be brought to a decision4 ,for we must either give the wise man to the ,stoics or to the ,old ,academy4 ,he cannot belong to both2 for the contention between them is not one about boundaries1 but about the whole territory4 ,for the whole system of life depends on the definition of the chief good2 and those who differ on that point1 differ about the whole system of life4 ,it is impossible1 therefore1 that those of both these schools should be wise1 since they differ so much from one another3 but one of them only can be so4 ,if it be the disciple of ,polemo1 then the ,stoic is wrong1 who assents to an error3 and you say that nothing is so incompatible with the character of a wise man as that4 ,but if the principles of ,zeno be true1 then we must say the same of the ,old ,academics and of the ,peripatetics2 and as ,i do not know which is the more wise of the two1 ,i give my assent to neither4 ,what8 when ,antiochus in some points disagrees with the ,stoics whom he is so fond of1 does he not show that these principles cannot be approved of by a wise man8 ,the ,stoics assert that all offences are equal3 but ,antiochus energetically resists this doctrine4 ,at least1 let me consider before ,i decide which opinion ,i will embrace4 ,cut the matter short1 says he1 do at last decide on something4 ,what8 ,the reasons which are given appear to me to be both shrewd and nearly equal3 may ,i not then be on my guard against committing a crime8 for you called it a crime1 ,lucullus1 to violate a principle2 ,i1 therefore1 restrain myself1 lest ,i should assent to what ,i do not understand2 and this principle ,i have in common with you4 ,here1 however1 is a much greater difference4--,zeno thinks that a happy life depends on virtue alone4 ,what says ,antiochus8 ,he admits that this is true of a happy life1 but not of the happiest possible life4 ,the first is a god1 who thinks that nothing can be wanting to virtue2 the latter is a miserable man1 who thinks that there are many things besides virtue1 some of which are dear to a man1 and some even necessary4 ,but ,i am afraid that the former may be attributing to virtue more than nature can bear2 especially since ,theophrastus has said many things with eloquence and copiousness on this subject2 and ,i fear that even he may not be quite consistent with himself4 ,for though he admits that there are some evils both of body and fortune1 he nevertheless thinks that a man may be happy who is afflicted by them all1 provided he is wise4 ,i am perplexed here2 at one time the one opinion appears to me to be more probable1 and at another time the other does4 ,and yet1 unless one or the other be true1 ,i think virtue must be entirely trampled under foot4 ,,xliv4 ,however1 they differ as to this principle4 ,what then8 ,can we approve1 as true1 of those maxims on which they agree2 namely1 that the mind of the wise man is never influenced by either desire or joy8 ,come1 suppose this opinion is a probable one1 is this other one so too2 namely1 that it never feels either alarm or grief8 ,cannot the wise fear8 ,and if his country be destroyed1 cannot he grieve8 ,that seems harsh1 but ,zeno thinks it inevitable2 for he considers nothing good except what is honourable4 ,but you do not think it true in the least1 ,antiochus4 ,for you admit that there are many good things besides honour1 and many evils besides baseness2 and it is inevitable that the wise man must fear such when coming1 and grieve when they have come4 ,but ,i ask when it was decided by the ,old ,academy that they were to deny that the mind of the wise man could be agitated or disturbed8 ,they approved of intermediate states1 and asserted that there was a kind of natural mean in every agitation4 ,we have all read the treatise on ,grief1 by ,crantor1 a disciple of the ,old ,academy4 ,it is not large1 but it is a golden book1 and one1 as ,pantius tells ,tubero1 worth learning by heart4 ,and these men used to say that those agitations were very profitably given to our minds by nature2 fear1 in order that we may take care2 pity and melancholy they called the whetstone of our clemency2 and anger itself that of our courage4 ,whether they were right or wrong we may consider another time4 ,how it was that those stern doctrines of yours forced their way into the ,old ,academy ,i do not know1 but ,i cannot bear them2 not because they have anything in them particularly disagreeable to me2 for many of the marvellous doctrines of the ,stoics1 which men call 1 are derived from ,socrates4 ,but where has ,xenocrates or where has ,aristotle touched these points8 ,for you try to make out the ,stoics to be the same as these men4 ,would they ever say that wise men were the only kings1 the only rich1 the only handsome men8 that everything everywhere belonged to the wise man8 that no one was a consul1 or prtor1 or general1 or even1 for aught ,i know1 a quinquevir1 but the wise man8 lastly1 that he was the only citizen1 the only free man8 and that all who are destitute of wisdom are foreigners1 exiles1 slaves1 or madmen8 last of all1 that the writings of ,lycurgus and ,solon and our ,twelve ,tables are not laws8 that there are even no cities or states except those which are peopled by wise men8 ,now these maxims1 ,o ,lucullus1 if you agree with ,antiochus1 your own friend1 must be defended by you as zealously as the bulwarks of your city2 but ,i am only bound to uphold them with moderation1 just as much as ,i think fit4 ,,xlv4 ,i have read in ,clitomachus1 that when ,carneades and ,diogenes the ,stoic were standing in the capitol before the senate1 ,aulus ,albonus 7who was prtor at the time1 in the consulship of ,publius ,scipio and ,marcus ,marcellus1 the same ,albonus who was consul1 ,lucullus1 with your own grandfather1 a learned man1 as his own history shows1 which is written in ,greek7 said jestingly to ,carneades--8,i do not1 ,o ,carneades1 seem to you to be prtor because ,i am not wise1 nor does this seem to be a city1 nor do the inhabitants seem to be citizens1 for the same reason40 ,and he answered--8,that is the ,stoic doctrine40 ,aristotle or ,xenocrates1 whom ,antiochus wished to follow1 would have had no doubt that he was prtor1 and ,rome a city1 and that it was inhabited by citizens4 ,but our friend is1 as ,i said before1 a manifest ,stoic1 though he talks a little nonsense4 ,but you are all afraid for me1 lest ,i should descend to opinions1 and adopt and approve of something that ,i do not understand2 which you would be very sorry for me to do4 ,what advice do you give me8 ,chrysippus often testifies that there are three opinions only about the chief good which can be defended2 he cuts off and discards all the rest4 ,he says that either honour is the chief good1 or pleasure1 or both combined4 ,for that those who say that the chief good is to be free from all annoyance1 shun the unpopular name of pleasure1 but hover about its neighbourhood4 ,and those also do the same who combine that freedom from annoyance with honour4 ,and those do not much differ from them who unite to honour the chief advantages of nature4 ,so he leaves three opinions which he thinks may be maintained by probable arguments4 ,be it so4 ,although ,i am not easily to be moved from the definition of ,polemo and the ,peripatetics1 and ,antiochus1 nor have ,i anything more probable to bring forward4 ,still1 ,i see how sweetly pleasure allures our senses4 ,i am inclined to agree with ,epicurus or ,aristippus4 ,but virtue recalls me1 or rather leads me back with her hand2 says that these are the feelings of cattle1 and that man is akin to the ,deity4 ,i may take a middle course2 so that1 since ,aristippus1 as if we had no mind1 defends nothing but the body1 and ,zeno espouses the cause of the mind alone1 as if we were destitute of body1 ,i may follow ,callipho1 whose opinion ,carneades used to defend with such zeal1 that he appeared wholly to approve of it2 although ,clitomachus affirmed that he never could understand what ,carneades approved of4 ,but if ,i were to choose to follow him1 would not truth itself1 and all sound and proper reason1 oppose me8 ,will you1 when honour consists in despising pleasure1 unite honour to pleasure1 joining1 as it were1 a man to a beast8 ,,xlvi4 ,there is now1 then1 only one pair of combatants left--pleasure and honour2 between which ,chrysippus1 as far as ,i can see1 was not long in perplexity how to decide4 ,if you follow the one1 many things are overthrown1 especially the fellowship of the human race1 affection1 friendship1 justice1 and all other virtues1 none of which can exist at all without disinterestedness3 for the virtue which is impelled to action by pleasure1 as by a sort of wages1 is not really virtue1 but only a deceitful imitation and pretence of virtue4 ,listen1 on the contrary1 to those men who say that they do not even understand the name of honour1 unless we call that honourable which is accounted reputable by the multitude2 that the source of all good is in the body2 that this is the law1 and rule1 and command of nature2 and that he who departs from it will never have any object in life to follow4 ,do you think1 then1 that ,i am not moved when ,i hear these and innumerable other statements of the same kind8 ,i am moved as much as you are1 ,lucullus2 and you need not think me less a man than yourself4 ,the only difference is that you1 when you are agitated1 acquiesce1 assent1 and approve2 you consider the impression which you have received true1 certain1 comprehended1 perceived1 established1 firm1 and unalterable2 and you cannot be moved or driven from it by any means whatever4 ,i think that there is nothing of such a kind that1 if ,i assent to it1 ,i shall not often be assenting to what is false2 since there is no distinct line of demarcation between what is true and what is false1 especially as the science of dialectics has no power of judging on this subject4 ,i come now to the third part of philosophy4 ,there is an idea advanced by ,protagoras1 who thinks that that is true to each individual which seems so to him2 and a completely different one put forward by the ,cyrenaics1 who think that there is no such thing as certain judgment about anything except the inner feelings3 and a third1 different from either1 maintained by ,epicurus1 who places all judgment in the senses1 and in our notions of things1 and in pleasure4 ,but ,plato considered that the whole judgment of truth1 and that truth itself1 being abstracted from opinions and from the senses1 belonged to the province of thought and of the intellect4 ,does our friend ,antiochus approve of any of these principles8 ,he does not even approve of those who may be called his own ancestors in philosophy3 for where does he follow ,xenocrates1 who has written a great many books on the method of speaking1 which are highly esteemed8--or ,aristotle himself1 than whom there is no more acute or elegant writer8 ,he never goes one step without ,chrysippus4 ,,xlvii4 ,do we then1 who are called ,academics1 misuse the glory of this name8 or why are we to be compelled to follow those men who differ from one another8 ,in this very thing1 which the dialecticians teach among the elements of their art1 how one ought to judge whether an argument be true or false which is connected in this manner1 8,if it is day1 it shines10 how great a contest there is2--,diodorus has one opinion1 ,philo another1 ,chrysippus a third4 ,need ,i say more8 ,in how many points does ,chrysippus himself differ from ,cleanthes1 his own teacher8 ,again1 do not two of the very princes of the dialecticians1 ,antipater and ,archidemus1 men most devoted to hypothesis1 disagree in numbers of things8 ,why then1 ,lucullus1 do you seek to bring me into odium1 and drag me1 as it were1 before the assembly8 ,and why1 as seditious tribunes often do1 do you order all the shops to be shut8 ,for what is your object when you complain that all trades are being suppressed by us1 if it be not to excite the artisans8 ,but1 if they all come together from all quarters1 they will be easily excited against you2 for1 first of all1 ,i will cite all those unpopular expressions of yours when you called all those1 who will then be in the assembly1 exiles1 and slaves1 and madmen3 and then ,i will come to those arguments which touch not the multitude1 but you yourselves who are here present4 ,for ,zeno and ,antiochus both deny that any of you know anything4 ,how so8 you will say2 for we allege1 on the other hand1 that even a man without wisdom comprehends many things4 ,but you affirm that no one except a wise man knows one single thing4 ,and ,zeno professed to illustrate this by a piece of action2 for when he stretched out his fingers1 and showed the palm of his hand1 8,perception10 said he1 8is a thing like this40 ,then1 when he had a little closed his fingers1 8,assent is like this40 ,afterwards1 when he had completely closed his hand1 and held forth his fist1 that1 he said1 was comprehension4 ,from which simile he also gave that state a name which it had not before1 and called it 4 ,but when he brought his left hand against his right1 and with it took a firm and tight hold of his fist1 knowledge1 he said1 was of that character2 and that was what none but a wise man possessed4 ,but even those who are themselves wise men do not venture to say so1 nor any one who has ever lived and been a wise man4 ,according to that theory1 you1 ,catulus1 do not know that it is daylight2 and you1 ,hortensius1 are ignorant that we are now in your villa4 ,now1 are these arguments less formidable than yours8 ,they are not1 perhaps1 very refined2 and those others show more acuteness4 ,but1 just as you said1 that if nothing could be comprehended1 all the arts were destroyed at once1 and would not grant that mere probability was a sufficient foundation for art2 so ,i now reply to you1 that art cannot exist without knowledge4 ,would ,zeuxis1 or ,phidias1 or ,polycletus allow that they knew nothing1 when they were men of such marvellous skill8 ,but if any one had explained to them how much power knowledge was said to have1 they would cease to be angry2 they would not even be offended with us1 when they had learnt that we were only putting an end to what did not exist anywhere2 but that we left them what was quite sufficient for them4 ,and this doctrine is confirmed also by the diligence of our ancestors1 who ordained1 in the first place1 that every one should swear 8according to the opinion of his own mind20 secondly1 that he should be accounted guilty 8if he knowingly swore falsely10 because there was a great deal of ignorance in life2 thirdly1 that the man who was giving his evidence should say that 8he thought10 even in a case where he was speaking of what he had actually seen himself4 ,and that when the judges were giving their decision on their evidence1 they should say1 not that such and such a thing had been done1 but that such and such a thing appeared to them4 ,,xlviii4 ,but since the sailor is making signals1 and the west wind is showing us too1 by its murmur1 that it is time for us1 ,lucullus1 to set sail1 and since ,i have already said a great deal1 ,i must now conclude4 ,but hereafter1 when we inquire into these subjects1 we will discuss the great disagreements between the most eminent on the subject of the obscurity of nature1 and the errors of so many philosophers who differ from one another about good and evil so widely1 that1 as more than one of their theories cannot be true1 it is inevitable that many illustrious schools must fall to the ground1 rather than the theories about the false impressions of the eyes and the other senses1 and sorites1 or false syllogism1--rods which the ,stoics have made to beat themselves with4 ,then ,lucullus replied1 ,i am not at all sorry that we have had this discussion2 for often1 when we meet again1 especially in our ,tusculan villas1 we can examine other questions which seem worth investigation4 ,certainly1 said ,i2 but what does ,catulus think8 and ,hortensius8 ,i8 said ,catulus4 ,i return to my father's opinion1 which he used to say was derived from ,carneades1 and think that nothing can be perceived2 but still ,i imagine that a wise man will assent to what is not actually perceived--that is to say1 will form opinions3 being1 however1 aware at the same time that they are only opinions1 and knowing that there is nothing which can be comprehended and perceived4 ,and1 practising that so as to take probability for a guide in all things1 ,i altogether assent to that other doctrine1 that nothing can be perceived4 ,i see your meaning1 said ,i2 and ,i do not very much object to it4 ,but what is your opinion1 ,hortensius8 ,he laughed1 and said1 ,i suspend my judgment4 ,i understand1 said ,i2 for that is the peculiar principle of the ,academy4 ,so1 after we had finished our discourse1 ,catulus remained behind1 and we went down to the shore to embark in our vessels4 ,a ,,treatise ,,on ,,the ,,chief ,,good ,,and ,,evil4 ,introduction4 ,the following treatise was composed by ,cicero a little before the publication of his ,tusculan ,disputations4 ,it consists of a series of ,dialogues1 in which the opinions of the different schools of ,greek philosophy1 especially the ,epicureans1 ,stoics1 and ,peripatetics1 on the ,supreme ,good1 as the proper object or end 7finis7 of our thoughts and actions1 are investigated and compared4 ,it is usually reckoned one of the most highly finished and valuable of his philosophical works2 though from the abstruse nature of some of the topics dwelt upon1 and the subtlety of some of the arguments adduced1 it is unquestionably the most difficult4 ,he gives an account himself of the work and of his design and plan in the following terms4 7,epist4 ad ,att4 xiii4 #ai47 8,what ,i have lately written is in the manner of ,aristotle1 where the conversation is so managed that he himself has the principal part4 ,i have finished the five books ,de ,finibus ,bonorum et ,malorum1 so as to give the ,epicurean doctrine to ,lucius ,torquatus1 the ,stoic to ,marcus ,cato1 and the ,peripatetic to ,marcus ,cato4 ,for ,i considered that their being dead would preclude all jealousy40 ,he does not1 however1 maintain the unity of scene or character throughout the five books4 ,in the first book he relates a discussion which is represented as having taken place in his villa near ,cum1 in the presence of ,caius ,valerius ,triarius1 between himself and ,lucius ,manlius ,torquatus1 who is spoken of as being just about to enter his office as prtor1 a circumstance which fixes the date of this imaginary discussion to ,b4,c4 #ej1 a time agreeing with the allusion 7,b4 ii4 #ah17 to the great power of ,pompey4 ,in the first book he attacks the doctrines of the ,epicurean school1 and ,torquatus defends them1 alleging that they had been generally misunderstood2 and in the second book ,cicero enumerates the chief arguments with which the ,stoics assailed them4 ,in the third book the scene is laid in the library of ,lucullus1 where ,cicero had accidentally met ,cato2 and from conversing on the books by which they were surrounded they proceeded to discuss the difference between the ethics of the ,stoics1 and those of the ,old ,academy and the ,peripatetics2 ,cicero insisting that the disagreement was merely verbal and not real1 and that ,zeno was wrong in leaving ,plato and ,aristotle and establishing a new school2 but ,cato asserts1 on the other hand1 that the difference is a real one1 and that the views held by the ,stoics of the ,supreme ,good are of a much loftier and purer character than those which had been previously entertained4 ,in the fourth book ,cicero gives us the arguments with which the philosophers of the ,new ,academy assailed the ,stoics4 ,and this conversation is supposed to have been held two years before that in the first book3 for at the beginning of ,book ,,iv4 there is a reference to the law for limiting the length of the speeches of counsel passed in the second consulship of ,pompey1 ,b4,c4 #ee1 as being only just passed4 ,in the fifth book we are carried back to ,b4,c4 #gi1 and the scene is laid at ,athens1 where ,cicero was at that time under ,antiochus and ,demetrius4 ,he and his brother ,quintus1 ,lucius ,cicero his cousin1 ,pomponius ,atticus1 and ,marcus ,pupius ,piso are represented as meeting in the ,academia2 and ,piso1 at the request of his companions1 lays open the precepts inculcated by ,aristotle and his school on the subject of the ,summum ,bonum2 after which ,cicero states the objections of the ,stoics to the ,peripatetic system1 and ,piso replies4 ,while giving the opinions of these above-named sects with great fairness and impartiality ,cicero abstains throughout from pronouncing any judgment of his own4 ,first ,book ,of ,the ,treatise ,on ,the ,chief ,good ,and ,evil4 ,i4 ,i was not ignorant1 ,brutus1 when ,i was endeavouring to add to ,latin literature the same things which philosophers of the most sublime genius and the most profound and accurate learning had previously handled in the ,greek language1 that my labours would be found fault with on various grounds4 ,for some1 and those too1 far from unlearned men1 are disinclined to philosophy altogether2 some1 on the other hand1 do not blame a moderate degree of attention being given to it1 but do not approve of so much study and labour being devoted to it4 ,there will be others again1 learned in ,greek literature and despising ,latin compositions1 who will say that they would rather spend their time in reading ,greek2 and1 lastly1 ,i suspect that there will be some people who will insist upon it that ,i ought to apply myself to other studies1 and will urge that1 although this style of writing may be an elegant accomplishment1 it is still beneath my character and dignity4 ,and to all these objections ,i think ,i ought to make a brief reply2 although1 indeed1 ,i have already given a sufficient answer to the enemies of philosophy in that book in which philosophy is defended and extolled by me after having been attacked and disparaged by ,hortensius47#ac7 ,and as both you and others whom ,i considered competent judges approved highly of that book1 ,i have undertaken a larger work1 fearing to appear able only to excite the desires of men1 but incapable of retaining their attention4 ,but those who1 though they have a very good opinion of philosophy1 still think it should be followed in a moderate degree only1 require a temperance which is very difficult in a thing which1 when once it has the reins given it1 cannot be checked or repressed2 so that ,i almost think those men more reasonable who altogether forbid us to apply ourselves to philosophy at all1 than they who fix a limit to things which are in their nature boundless1 and who require mediocrity in a thing which is excellent exactly in proportion to its intensity4 ,for1 if it be possible that men should arrive at wisdom1 then it must not only be acquired by us1 but even enjoyed4 ,or if this be difficult1 still there is no limit to the way in which one is to seek for truth except one has found it2 and it is base to be wearied in seeking a thing1 when what we do seek for is the most honourable thing possible4 ,in truth1 if we are amused when we are writing1 who is so envious as to wish to deny us that pleasure8 ,if it is a labour to us1 who will fix a limit to another person's industry8 ,for as the ,chremes7#ad7 of ,terence does not speak from a disregard of what is due to men when he does not wish his new neighbour ,to dig1 or plough1 or any toil endure3 for he is not in this dissuading him from industry1 but only from such labour as is beneath a gentleman2 so1 on the other hand those men are over scrupulous who are offended by my devoting myself to a labour which is far from irksome to myself4 ,,ii4 ,it is more difficult to satisfy those men who allege that they despise ,latin writings4 ,but1 first of all1 ,i may express my wonder at their not being pleased with their native language in matters of the highest importance1 when they are fond enough of reading fables in ,latin1 translated word for word from the ,greek4 ,for what man is such an enemy 7as ,i may almost call it7 to the ,roman name1 as to despise or reject the ,medea of ,ennius1 or the ,antiope of ,pacuvius8 and to express a dislike of ,latin literature1 while at the same time he speaks of being pleased with the plays of ,euripides8 8,what10 says such an one1 8shall ,i rather read the ,synephebi of ,ccilius17#ae7 or the ,andria of ,terence1 than either of these plays in the original of ,menander80 ,but ,i disagree with men of these opinions so entirely1 that though ,sophocles has composed an ,electra in the most admirable manner possible1 still ,i think the indifferent translation of it by ,atilius7#af7 worth reading too1 though ,licinius calls him an iron writer2 with much truth in my opinion2 still he is a writer whom it is worth while to read4 ,for to be wholly unacquainted with our own poets is a proof either of the laziest indolence1 or else of a very superfluous fastidiousness4 ,my own opinion is1 that no one is sufficiently learned who is not well versed in the works written in our own language4 ,shall we not be as willing to read-- ,would that the pine1 the pride of ,pelion's brow1 as the same idea when expressed in ,greek8 ,and is there any objection to having the discussions which have been set out by ,plato1 on the subject of living well and happily1 arrayed in a ,latin dress8 ,and if we do not limit ourselves to the office of translators1 but maintain those arguments which have been advanced by people with whom we argue1 and add to them the exposition of our own sentiments1 and clothe the whole in our own language1 why then should people prefer the writings of the ,greeks to those things which are written by us in an elegant style1 without being translated from the works of ,greek philosophers8 ,for if they say that these matters have been discussed by those foreign writers1 then there surely is no necessity for their reading such a number of those ,greeks as they do4 ,for what article of ,stoic doctrine has been passed over by ,chrysippus8 ,and yet we read also ,diogenes17#ag7 ,antipater17#ah7 ,mnesarchus17#ai7 ,pantius17#bj7 and many others1 and especially the works of my own personal friend ,posidonius47#ba7 ,what shall we say of ,theophrastus8 ,is it but a moderate pleasure which he imparts to us while he is handling the topics which had been previously dilated on by ,aristotle8 ,what shall we say of the ,epicureans8 ,do they pass over the subjects on which ,epicurus himself and other ancient writers have previously written1 and forbear to deliver their sentiments respecting them8 ,but if ,greek authors are read by the ,greeks1 though discussing the same subjects over and over again1 because they deal with them in different manners1 why should not the writings of ,roman authors be also read by our own countrymen8 ,,iii4 ,although if ,i were to translate ,plato or ,aristotle in as bold a manner as our poets have translated the ,greek plays1 then1 ,i suppose1 ,i should not deserve well at the hands of my fellow-countrymen1 for having brought those divine geniuses within their reach4 ,however1 that is not what ,i have hitherto done1 though ,i do not consider myself interdicted from doing so4 ,some particular passages1 if ,i think it desirable1 ,i shall translate1 especially from those authors whom ,i have just named1 when there is an opportunity of doing so with propriety2 just as ,ennius often translates passages from ,homer1 and ,afranius7#bb7 from ,menander4 ,nor will ,i1 like ,lucilius1 make any objection to everybody reading my writings4 ,i should be glad to have that ,persius7#bc7 for one of my readers2 and still more to have ,scipio and ,rutilius2 men whose criticism he professed to fear1 saying that he wrote for the people of ,tarentum1 and ,consentia1 and ,sicily4 ,that was all very witty of him1 and in his usual style2 but still1 people at that time were not so learned as to give him cause to labour much before he could encounter their judgment1 and his writings are of a lightish character1 showing indeed1 a high degree of good breeding1 but only a moderate quantity of learning4 ,but whom can ,i fear to have read my works when ,i ventured to address a book to you1 who are not inferior to the ,greeks themselves in philosophical knowledge8 ,although ,i have this excuse for what ,i am doing1 that ,i have been challenged by you1 in that to me most acceptable book which you sent me 8,on ,virtue40 ,but ,i imagine that some people have become accustomed to feel a repugnance to ,latin writing because they have fallen in with some unpolished and inelegant treatises translated from bad ,greek into worse ,latin4 ,and with those men ,i agree1 provided they will not think it worth while to read the ,greek books written on the same subject4 ,but who would object to read works on important subjects expressed in well-selected diction1 with dignity and elegance2 unless1 indeed1 he wishes to be taken absolutely for a ,greek1 as ,albucius was saluted at ,athens by ,scvola1 when he was prtor8 ,and this topic has been handled by that same ,lucilius with great elegance and abundant wit2 where he represents ,scvola as saying-- ,you have preferr'd1 ,albucius1 to be call'd ,a ,greek much rather than a ,roman citizen ,or ,sabine1 countryman of ,pontius1 ,tritannius1 and the brave centurions ,and standard-bearers of immortal fame4 ,so now at ,athens1 ,i1 the prtor1 thus ,salute you as you wish1 whene'er ,i see you1 ,with ,greek address1 noble ,titus1 ,ye lictors1 and attendants 4 noble ,titus4 ,from this day ,the great ,albucius was my enemy4 ,but surely ,scvola was right4 ,however1 ,i can never sufficiently express my wonder whence this arrogant disdain of everything national arose among us4 ,this is not exactly the place for lecturing on the subject2 but my own feelings are1 and ,i have constantly urged them1 that the ,latin language is not only not deficient1 so as to deserve to be generally disparaged2 but that it is even more copious than the ,greek4 ,for when have either we ourselves1 or when has any good orator or noble poet1 at least after there was any one for him to imitate1 found himself at a loss for any richness or ornament of diction with which to set off his sentiments8 ,,iv4 ,and ,i myself 7as ,i do not think that ,i can be accused of having1 in my forensic exertions1 and labours1 and dangers1 deserted the post in which ,i was stationed by the ,roman people17 am bound1 forsooth1 to exert myself as much as ,i can to render my fellow-countrymen more learned by my labours and studies and diligence1 and not so much to contend with those men who prefer reading ,greek works1 provided that they really do read them1 and do not only pretend to do so2 and to fall in also with the wishes of those men who are desirous either to avail themselves of both languages1 or who1 as long as they have good works in their own1 do not care very much about similar ones in a foreign tongue4 ,but those men who would rather that ,i would write on other topics should be reasonable1 because ,i have already composed so many works that no one of my countrymen has ever published more1 and perhaps ,i shall write even more if my life is prolonged so as to allow me to do so4 ,and yet1 whoever accustoms himself to read with care these things which ,i am now writing on the subject of philosophy1 will come to the conclusion that no works are better worth reading than these4 ,for what is there in life which deserves to be investigated so diligently as every subject which belongs to philosophy1 and especially that which is discussed in this treatise1 namely1 what is the end1 the object1 the standard to which all the ideas of living well and acting rightly are to be referred8 ,what it is that nature follows as the chief of all desirable things8 what she avoids as the principal of all evils8 ,and as on this subject there is great difference of opinion among the most learned men1 who can think it inconsistent with that dignity which every one allows to belong to me1 to examine what is in every situation in life the best and truest good8 ,shall the chief men of the city1 ,publius ,scvola and ,marcus ,manilius argue whether the offspring of a female slave ought to be considered the gain of the master of the slave2 and shall ,marcus ,brutus express his dissent from their opinion1 7and this is a kind of discussion giving great room for the display of acuteness1 and one too that is of importance as regards the citizens17 and do we read1 and shall we continue to read1 with pleasure their writings on this subject1 and the others of the same sort1 and at the same time neglect these subjects1 which embrace the whole of human life8 ,there may1 perhaps1 be more money affected by discussions on that legal point1 but beyond all question1 this of ours is the more important subject3 that1 however1 is a point which the readers may be left to decide upon4 ,but we now think that this whole question about the ends of good and evil is1 ,i may almost say1 thoroughly explained in this treatise1 in which we have endeavoured to set forth as far as we could1 not only what our own opinion was1 but also everything which has been advanced by each separate school of philosophy4 ,v4 ,to begin1 however1 with that which is easiest1 we will first of all take the doctrine of ,epicurus1 which is well known to most people2 and you shall see that it is laid down by us in such a way that it cannot be explained more accurately even by the adherents of that sect themselves4 ,for we are desirous of ascertaining the truth2 not of convicting some adversary4 ,but the opinion of ,epicurus about pleasure was formerly defended with great precision by ,lucius ,torquatus1 a man accomplished in every kind of learning2 and ,i myself replied to him1 while ,caius ,triarius1 a most learned and worthy young man1 was present at the discussion4 ,for as it happened that both of them had come to my villa near ,cum to pay me a visit1 first of all we conversed a little about literature1 to which they were both of them greatly devoted2 and after a while ,torquatus said--,since we have found you in some degree at leisure1 ,i should like much to hear from you why it is that you1 ,i will not say hate our master ,epicurus--as most men do who differ from him in opinion--but still why you disagree with him whom ,i consider as the only man who has discerned the real truth1 and who ,i think has delivered the minds of men from the greatest errors1 and has handed down every precept which can have any influence on making men live well and happily4 ,but ,i imagine that you1 like my friend ,triarius here1 like him the less because he neglected the ornaments of diction in which ,plato1 and ,aristotle1 and ,theophrastus indulged4 ,for ,i can hardly be persuaded to believe that the opinions which he entertained do not appear to you to be correct4 ,see now1 said ,i1 how far you are mistaken1 ,torquatus4 ,i am not offended with the language of that philosopher2 for he expresses his meaning openly and speaks in plain language1 so that ,i can understand him4 ,not1 however1 that ,i should object to eloquence in a philosopher1 if he were to think fit to employ it2 though if he were not possessed of it ,i should not require it4 ,but ,i am not so well satisfied with his matter1 and that too on many topics4 ,but there are as many different opinions as there are men2 and therefore we may be in error ourselves4 ,what is it1 said he1 in which you are dissatisfied with him8 ,for ,i consider you a candid judge2 provided only that you are accurately acquainted with what he has really said4 ,unless1 said ,i1 you think that ,phdrus or ,zeno have spoken falsely 7and ,i have heard them both lecture1 though they gave me a high opinion of nothing but their own diligence17 all the doctrines of ,epicurus are quite sufficiently known to me4 ,and ,i have repeatedly1 in company with my friend ,atticus1 attended the lectures of those men whom ,i have named2 as he had a great admiration for both of them1 and an especial affection even for ,phdrus4 ,and every day we used to talk over what we heard1 nor was there ever any dispute between us as to whether ,i understood the scope of their arguments2 but only whether ,i approved of them4 ,,vi4 ,what is it1 then1 said he1 which you do not approve of in them1 for ,i am very anxious to hear8 ,in the first place1 said ,i1 he is utterly wrong in natural philosophy1 which is his principal boast4 ,he only makes some additions to the doctrine of ,democritus1 altering very little1 and that in such a way that he seems to me to make those points worse which he endeavours to correct4 ,he believes that atoms1 as he calls them1 that is to say bodies which by reason of their solidity are indivisible1 are borne about in an interminable vacuum1 destitute of any highest1 or lowest1 or middle1 or furthest1 or nearest boundary1 in such a manner that by their concourse they cohere together2 by which cohesion everything which exists and which is seen is formed4 ,and he thinks that motion of atoms should be understood never to have had a beginning1 but to have subsisted from all eternity4 ,but in those matters in which ,epicurus follows ,democritus1 he is usually not very wrong4 ,although there are many assertions of each with which ,i disagree1 and especially with this--that as in the nature of things there are two points which must be inquired into1--one1 what the material out of which everything is made1 is2 the other1 what the power is which makes everything1--they discussed only the material1 and omitted all consideration of the efficient power and cause4 ,however1 that is a fault common to both of them2 but these blunders which ,i am going to mention are ,epicurus's own4 ,for he thinks that those indivisible and solid bodies are borne downwards by their own weight in a straight line2 and that this is the natural motion of all bodies4 ,after this assertion1 that shrewd man1--as it occurred to him1 that if everything were borne downwards in a straight line1 as ,i have just said1 it would be quite impossible for one atom ever to touch another1--on this account he introduced another purely imaginary idea1 and said that the atoms diverged a little from the straight line1 which is the most impossible thing in the world4 ,and he asserted that it is in this way that all those embraces1 and conjunctions1 and unions of the atoms with one another took place1 by which the world was made1 and all the parts of the world1 and all that is in the world4 ,and not only is all this idea perfectly childish1 but it fails in effecting its object4 ,for this very divergence is invented in a most capricious manner1 7for he says that each atom diverges without any cause17 though nothing can be more discreditable to a natural philosopher than to say that anything takes place without a cause2 and also1 without any reason1 he deprives atoms of that motion which is natural to every body of any weight 7as he himself lays it down7 which goes downwards from the upper regions2 and at the same time he does not obtain the end for the sake of which he invented all these theories4 ,for if every atom diverges equally1 still none will ever meet with one another so as to cohere2 but if some diverge1 and others are borne straight down by their natural inclination1 in the first place this will be distributing provinces as it were among the atoms1 and dividing them so that some are borne down straight1 and others obliquely2 and in the next place1 this turbulent concourse of atoms1 which is a blunder of ,democritus also1 will never be able to produce this beautifully ornamented world which we see around us4 ,even this1 too1 is inconsistent with the principles of natural philosophy1 to believe that there is such a thing as a minimum2 a thing which he indeed never would have fancied1 if he had been willing to learn geometry from his friend ,polynus17#bd7 instead of seeking to persuade him to give it up himself4 ,the sun appears to ,democritus to be of vast size1 as he is a man of learning and of a profound knowledge of geometry4 ,epicurus perhaps thinks that it is two feet across1 for he thinks it of just that size which it appears to be1 or perhaps a little larger or smaller4 ,so what he changes he spoils2 what he accepts comes entirely from ,democritus1--the atoms1 the vacuum1 the appearances1 which they call 1 to the inroads of which it is owing not only that we see1 but also that we think2 and all that infiniteness1 which they call 1 is borrowed from ,democritus2 and also the innumerable worlds which are produced and perish every day4 ,and although ,i cannot possibly agree myself with all those fancies1 still ,i should not like to see ,democritus1 who is praised by every one else1 blamed by this man who has followed him alone4 ,,vii4 ,and as for the second part of philosophy1 which belongs to investigating and discussing1 and which is called 1 there your master as it seems to me is wholly unarmed and defenceless4 ,he abolishes definitions2 he lays down no rules for division and partition2 he gives no method for drawing conclusions or establishing principles2 he does not point out how captious objections may be refuted1 or ambiguous terms explained4 ,he places all our judgments of things in our senses2 and if they are once led to approve of anything false as if it were true1 then he thinks that there is an end to all our power of distinguishing between truth and falsehood4 ,but in the third part1 which relates to life and manners1 with respect to establishing the end of our actions1 he utters not one single generous or noble sentiment4 ,he lays down above all others the principle1 that nature has but two things as objects of adoption and aversion1 namely1 pleasure and pain3 and he refers all our pursuits1 and all our desires to avoid anything1 to one of these two heads4 ,and although this is the doctrine of ,aristippus1 and is maintained in a better manner and with more freedom by the ,cyrenaics1 still ,i think it a principle of such a kind that nothing can appear more unworthy of a man4 ,for1 in my opinion1 nature has produced and formed us for greater and higher purposes4 ,it is possible1 indeed1 that ,i may be mistaken2 but my opinion is decided that that ,torquatus1 who first acquired that name1 did not tear the chain from off his enemy for the purpose of procuring any corporeal pleasure to himself2 and that he did not1 in his third consulship1 fight with the ,latins at the foot of ,mount ,vesuvius for the sake of any personal pleasure4 ,and when he caused his son to be executed1 he appears to have even deprived himself of many pleasures1 by thus preferring the claims of his dignity and command to nature herself and the dictates of fatherly affection4 ,what need ,i say more8 ,take ,titus ,torquatus1 him ,i mean who was consul with ,cnus ,octavius2 when he behaved with such severity towards that son whom he had allowed ,decimus ,silanus to adopt as his own1 as to command him1 when the ambassadors of the ,macedonians accused him of having taken bribes in his province while he was prtor1 to plead his cause before his tribunal3 and1 when he had heard the cause on both sides1 to pronounce that he had not in his command behaved after the fashion of his forefathers1 and to forbid him ever to appear in his sight again2 does he seem to you to have given a thought to his own pleasure8 ,however1 to say nothing of the dangers1 and labours1 and even of the pain which every virtuous man willingly encounters on behalf of his country1 or of his family1 to such a degree that he not only does not seek for1 but even disregards all pleasures1 and prefers even to endure any pain whatever rather than to forsake any part of his duty2 let us come to those things which show this equally1 but which appear of less importance4 ,what pleasure do you1 ,o ,torquatus1 what pleasure does this ,triarius derive from literature1 and history1 and the knowledge of events1 and the reading of poets1 and his wonderful recollection of such numbers of verses8 ,and do not say to me1 ,why all these things are a pleasure to me4 ,so1 too1 were those noble actions to the ,torquati4 ,epicurus never asserts this in this manner2 nor would you1 ,o ,triarius1 nor any man who had any wisdom1 or who had ever imbibed those principles4 ,and as to the question which is often asked1 why there are so many ,epicureans--there are several reasons2 but this is the one which is most seductive to the multitude1 namely1 that people imagine that what he asserts is that those things which are right and honourable do of themselves produce joy1 that is1 pleasure4 ,those excellent men do not perceive that the whole system is overturned if that is the case4 ,for if it were once granted1 even although there were no reference whatever to the body1 that these things were naturally and intrinsically pleasant2 then virtue and knowledge would be intrinsically desirable4 ,and this is the last thing which he would choose to admit4 ,these principles1 then1 of ,epicurus1 ,i say1 ,i do not approve of4 ,as for other matters1 ,i wish either that he himself had been a greater master of learning1 7for he is1 as you yourself cannot help seeing1 not sufficiently accomplished in those branches of knowledge which men possess who are accounted learned17 or at all events that he had not deterred others from the study of literature3 although ,i see that you yourself have not been at all deterred from such pursuits by him4 ,,viii4 ,and when ,i had said this1 more for the purpose of exciting him than of speaking myself1 ,triarius1 smiling gently1 said1--,you1 indeed1 have almost entirely expelled ,epicurus from the number of philosophers4 ,for what have you left him except the assertion that1 whatever his language might he1 you understood what he meant8 ,he has in natural philosophy said nothing but what is borrowed from others1 and even then nothing which you approved of4 ,if he has tried to amend anything he has made it worse4 ,he had no skill whatever in disputing4 ,when he laid down the rule that pleasure was the chief good1 in the first place he was very short-sighted in making such an assertion2 and secondly1 even this very doctrine was a borrowed one2 for ,aristippus had said the same thing before1 and better too4 ,you added1 at last1 that he was also destitute of learning4 ,it is quite impossible1 ,o ,triarius1 ,i replied1 for a person not to state what he disapproves of in the theory of a man with whom he disagrees4 ,for what could hinder me from being an ,epicurean if ,i approved of what ,epicurus says8 especially when it would be an amusement to learn his doctrines4 ,wherefore1 a man is not to be blamed for reproving those who differ from one another2 but evil speaking1 contumely1 ill-temper1 contention1 and pertinacious violence in disputing1 generally appear to me quite unworthy of philosophy4 ,i quite agree with you1 said ,torquatus2 for one cannot dispute at all without finding fault with your antagonist2 but on the other hand you cannot dispute properly if you do so with ill-temper or with pertinacity4 ,but1 if you have no objection1 ,i have an answer to make to these assertions of yours4 ,do you suppose1 said ,i1 that ,i should have said what ,i have said if ,i did not desire to hear what you had to say too8 ,would you like then1 says he1 that ,i should go through the whole theory of ,epicurus1 or that we should limit our present inquiry to pleasure by itself2 which is what the whole of the present dispute relates to8 ,we will do1 said ,i1 whichever you please4 ,that then1 said he1 shall be my present course4 ,i will explain one matter only1 being the most important one4 ,at another time ,i will discuss the question of natural philosophy2 and ,i will prove to you the theory of the divergence of the atoms1 and of the magnitude of the sun1 and that ,democritus committed many errors which were found fault with and corrected by ,epicurus4 ,at present1 ,i will confine myself to pleasure2 not that ,i am saying anything new1 but still ,i will adduce arguments which ,i feel sure that even you yourself will approve of4 ,undoubtedly1 said ,i1 ,i will not be obstinate2 and ,i will willingly agree with you if you will only prove your assertions to my satisfaction4 ,i will prove them1 said he1 provided only that you are as impartial as you profess yourself3 but ,i would rather employ a connected discourse than keep on asking or being asked questions4 ,as you please1 said ,i4 ,on this he began to speak2-- ,,ix4 ,first of all then1 said he1 ,i will proceed in the manner which is sanctioned by the founder of this school3 ,i will lay down what that is which is the subject of our inquiry1 and what its character is3 not that ,i imagine that you do not know1 but in order that my discourse may proceed in a systematic and orderly manner4 ,we are inquiring1 then1 what is the end1--what is the extreme point of good1 which1 in the opinion of all philosophers1 ought to be such that everything can be referred to it1 but that it itself can be referred to nothing4 ,this ,epicurus places in pleasure1 which he argues is the chief good1 and that pain is the chief evil2 and he proceeds to prove his assertion thus4 ,he says that every animal the moment that it is born seeks for pleasure1 and rejoices in it as the chief good2 and rejects pain as the chief evil1 and wards it off from itself as far as it can2 and that it acts in this manner1 without having been corrupted by anything1 under the promptings of nature herself1 who forms this uncorrupt and upright judgment4 ,therefore1 he affirms that there is no need of argument or of discussion as to why pleasure is to be sought for1 and pain to be avoided4 ,this he thinks a matter of sense1 just as much as that fire is hot1 snow white1 honey sweet2 none of which propositions he thinks require to be confirmed by laboriously sought reasons1 but that it is sufficient merely to state them4 ,for that there is a difference between arguments and conclusions arrived at by ratiocination1 and ordinary observations and statements3--by the first1 secret and obscure principles are explained2 by the second1 matters which are plain and easy are brought to decision4 ,for since1 if you take away sense from a man1 there is nothing left to him1 it follows of necessity that what is contrary to nature1 or what agrees with it1 must be left to nature herself to decide4 ,now what does she perceive1 or what does she determine on as her guide to seek or to avoid anything1 except pleasure and pain8 ,but there are some of our school who seek to carry out this doctrine with more acuteness1 and who will not allow that it is sufficient that it should be decided by sense what is good and what is bad1 but who assert that these points can be ascertained by intellect and reason also1 and that pleasure is to be sought for on its own account1 and that pain also is to be avoided for the same reason4 ,therefore1 they say that this notion is implanted in our minds naturally and instinctively1 as it were2 so that we feel that the one is to be sought for1 and the other to be avoided4 ,others1 however1 7and this is my own opinion too17 assert that1 as many reasons are alleged by many philosophers why pleasure ought not to be reckoned among goods1 nor pain among evils1 we ought not to rely too much on the goodness of our cause1 but that we should use arguments1 and discuss the point with precision1 and argue1 by the help of carefully collected reasons1 about pleasure and about pain4 ,x4 ,but that you may come to an accurate perception of the source whence all this error originated of those people who attack pleasure and extol pain1 ,i will unfold the whole matter2 and ,i will lay before you the very statements which have been made by that discoverer of the truth1 and architect1 as it were1 of a happy life4 ,for no one either despises1 or hates1 or avoids pleasure itself merely because it is pleasure1 but because great pains overtake those men who do not understand how to pursue pleasure in a reasonable manner4 ,nor is there any one who loves1 or pursues1 or wishes to acquire pain because it is pain1 but because sometimes such occasions arise that a man attains to some great pleasure through labour and pain4 ,for1 to descend to trifles1 who of us ever undertakes any laborious exertion of body except in order to gain some advantage by so doing8 and who is there who could fairly blame a man who should wish to be in that state of pleasure which no annoyance can interrupt1 or one who shuns that pain by which no subsequent pleasure is procured8 ,but we do accuse those men1 and think them entirely worthy of the greatest hatred1 who1 being made effeminate and corrupted by the allurements of present pleasure1 are so blinded by passion that they do not foresee what pains and annoyances they will hereafter be subject to2 and who are equally guilty with those who1 through weakness of mind1 that is to say1 from eagerness to avoid labour and pain1 desert their duty4 ,and the distinction between these things is quick and easy4 ,for at a time when we are free1 when the option of choice is in our own power1 and when there is nothing to prevent our being able to do whatever we choose1 then every pleasure may be enjoyed1 and every pain repelled4 ,but on particular occasions it will often happen1 owing either to the obligations of duty or the necessities of business1 that pleasures must be declined and annoyances must not be shirked4 ,therefore the wise man holds to this principle of choice in those matters1 that he rejects some pleasures1 so as1 by the rejection1 to obtain others which are greater1 and encounters some pains1 so as by that means to escape others which are more formidable4 ,now1 as these are my sentiments1 what reason can ,i have for fearing that ,i may not be able to accommodate our ,torquati to them--men whose examples you just now quoted from memory1 with a kind and friendly feeling towards us8 ,however1 you have not bribed me by praising my ancestors1 nor made me less prompt in replying to you4 ,but ,i should like to know from you how you interpret their actions8 ,do you think that they attacked the enemy with such feelings1 or that they were so severe to their children and to their own blood as to have no thought of their own advantage1 or of what might be useful to themselves8 ,but even wild beasts do not do that1 and do not rush about and cause confusion in such a way that we cannot understand what is the object of their motions4 ,and do you think that such illustrious men performed such great actions without a reason8 ,what their reason was ,i will examine presently2 in the meantime ,i will lay down this rule1--,if there was any reason which instigated them to do those things which are undoubtedly splendid exploits1 then virtue by herself was not the sole cause of their conduct4 ,one man tore a chain from off his enemy1 and at the same time he defended himself from being slain2 but he encountered great danger4 ,yes1 but it was before the eyes of the whole army4 ,what did he get by that8 ,glory1 and the affection of his countrymen1 which are the surest bulwarks to enable a man to pass his life without fear4 ,he put his son to death by the hand of the executioner4 ,if he did so without any reason1 then ,i should be sorry to be descended from so inhuman and merciless a man4 ,but if his object was to establish military discipline and obedience to command1 at the price of his own anguish1 and at a time of a most formidable war to restrain his army by the fear of punishment1 then he was providing for the safety of his fellow-citizens1 which he was well aware embraced his own4 ,and this principle is one of extensive application4 ,for the very point respecting which your whole school1 and yourself most especially1 who are such a diligent investigator of ancient instances1 are in the habit of vaunting yourself and using high-flown language1 namely1 the mention of brave and illustrious men1 and the extolling of their actions1 as proceeding not from any regard to advantage1 but from pure principles of honour and a love of glory1 is entirely upset1 when once that rule in the choice of things is established which ,i mentioned just now1--namely1 that pleasures are passed over for the sake of obtaining other greater pleasures1 or that pains are encountered with a view to escape greater pains4 ,,xi4 ,but1 however1 for the present we have said enough about the illustrious and glorious actions of celebrated men2 for there will be1 hereafter1 a very appropriate place for discussing the tendency of all the virtues to procure pleasure4 ,but1 at present1 ,i will explain what pleasure itself is1 and what its character is2 so as to do away with all the mistakes of ignorant people1 and in order that it may be clearly understood how dignified1 and temperate1 and virtuous that system is1 which is often accounted voluptuous1 effeminate1 and delicate4 ,for we are not at present pursuing that pleasure alone which moves nature itself by a certain sweetness1 and which is perceived by the senses with a certain pleasurable feeling2 but we consider that the greatest of all pleasures which is felt when all pain is removed4 ,for since1 when we are free from pain1 we rejoice in that very freedom itself1 and in the absence of all annoyance1--but everything which is a cause of our rejoicing is pleasure1 just as everything that gives us offence is pain1--accordingly1 the absence of all pain is rightly denominated pleasure4 ,for1 as when hunger and thirst are driven away by meat and drink1 the very removal of the annoyance brings with it the attainment of pleasure1 so1 in every case1 the removal of pain produces the succession of pleasure4 ,and therefore ,epicurus would not admit that there was any intermediate state between pleasure and pain2 for he insisted that that very state which seems to some people the intermediate one1 when a man is free from every sort of pain1 is not only pleasure1 but the highest sort of pleasure4 ,for whoever feels how he is affected must inevitably be either in a state of pleasure or in a state of pain4 ,but ,epicurus thinks that the highest pleasure consists in an absence of all pains2 so that pleasure may afterwards be varied1 and may be of different kinds1 but cannot be increased or amplified4 ,and even at ,athens1 as ,i have heard my father say1 when he was jesting in a good-humoured and facetious way upon the ,stoics1 there is a statue in the ,ceramicus of ,chrysippus1 sitting down with his hand stretched out2 and this attitude of the hand intimates that he is amusing himself with this brief question1 8,does your hand1 while in that condition in which it is at present1 want anything80--,nothing at all4 ,but if pleasure were a good1 would it want it8 ,i suppose so4 ,pleasure1 then1 is not a good4 ,and my father used to say that even a statue would not say this if it could speak4 ,for the conclusion was drawn as against the ,stoics with sufficient acuteness1 but it did not concern ,epicurus4 ,for if that were the only pleasure which tickled the senses1 as it were1 if ,i may say so1 and which overflowed and penetrated them with a certain agreeable feeling1 then even a hand could not be content with freedom from pain without some pleasing motion of pleasure4 ,but if the highest pleasure is1 as ,epicurus asserts1 to be free from pain1 then1 ,o ,chrysippus1 the first admission was correctly made to you1 that the hand1 when it was in that condition1 was in want of nothing2 but the second admission was not equally correct1 that if pleasure were a good it would wish for it4 ,for it would not wish for it for this reason1 inasmuch as whatever is free from pain is in pleasure4 ,,xii4 ,but that pleasure is the boundary of all good things may be easily seen from this consideration4 ,let us imagine a person enjoying pleasures great1 numerous1 and perpetual1 both of mind and body1 with no pain either interrupting him at present or impending over him2 what condition can we call superior to or more desirable than this8 ,for it is inevitable that there must be in a man who is in this condition a firmness of mind which fears neither death nor pain1 because death is void of all sensation2 and pain1 if it is of long duration1 is a trifle1 while if severe it is usually of brief duration2 so that its brevity is a consolation if it is violent1 and its trifling nature if it is enduring4 ,and when there is added to these circumstances that such a man has no fear of the deity of the gods1 and does not suffer past pleasures to be entirely lost1 but delights himself with the continued recollection of them1 what can be added to this which will be any improvement to it8 ,imagine1 on the other hand1 any one worn out with the greatest pains of mind and body which can possibly befal a man1 without any hope being held out to him that they will hereafter be lighter1 when1 besides1 he has no pleasure whatever either present or expected2 what can be spoken of or imagined more miserable than this8 ,but if a life entirely filled with pains is above all things to be avoided1 then certainly that is the greatest of evils to live in pain4 ,and akin to this sentiment is the other1 that it is the most extreme good to live with pleasure4 ,for our mind has no other point where it can stop as at a boundary2 and all fears and distresses are referable to pain3 nor is there anything whatever besides1 which of its own intrinsic nature can make us anxious or grieve us4 ,moreover1 the beginnings of desiring and avoiding1 and indeed altogether of everything which we do1 take their rise either in pleasure or pain4 ,and as this is the case1 it is plain that everything which is right and laudable has reference to this one object of living with pleasure4 ,and since that is the highest1 or extreme1 or greatest good1 which the ,greeks call 1 because it is referred to nothing else itself1 but everything is referred to it1 we must confess that the highest good is to live agreeably4 ,,xiii4 ,and those who place this in virtue alone1 and1 being caught by the splendour of a name1 do not understand what nature requires1 will be delivered from the greatest blunder imaginable if they will listen to ,epicurus4 ,for unless those excellent and beautiful virtues which your school talks about produced pleasure1 who would think them either praiseworthy or desirable8 ,for as we esteem the skill of physicians not for the sake of the art itself1 but from our desire for good health1--and as the skill of the pilot1 who has the knowledge how to navigate a vessel well1 is praised with reference to its utility1 and not to his ability1--so wisdom1 which should be considered the art of living1 would not be sought after if it effected nothing2 but at present it is sought after because it is1 as it were1 the efficient cause of pleasure1 which is a legitimate object of desire and acquisition4 ,and now you understand what pleasure ,i mean1 so that what ,i say may not be brought into odium from my using an unpopular word4 ,for as the chief annoyances to human life proceed from ignorance of what things are good and what bad1 and as by reason of that mistake men are often deprived of the greatest pleasures1 and tortured by the most bitter grief of mind1 we have need to exercise wisdom1 which1 by removing groundless alarms and vain desires1 and by banishing the rashness of all erroneous opinions1 offers herself to us as the surest guide to pleasure4 ,for it is wisdom alone which expels sorrow from our minds1 and prevents our shuddering with fear3 she is the instructress who enables us to live in tranquillity1 by extinguishing in us all vehemence of desire4 ,for desires are insatiable1 and ruin not only individuals but entire families1 and often overturn the whole state4 ,from desires arise hatred1 dissensions1 quarrels1 seditions1 wars4 ,nor is it only out of doors that these passions vent themselves1 nor is it only against others that they run with blind violence2 but they are often shut up1 as it were1 in the mind1 and throw that into confusion with their disagreements4 ,and the consequence of this is1 to make life thoroughly wretched2 so that the wise man is the only one who1 having cut away all vanity and error1 and removed it from him1 can live contented within the boundaries of nature1 without melancholy and without fear4 ,for what diversion can be either more useful or more adapted for human life than that which ,epicurus employed8 ,for he laid it down that there were three kinds of desires2 the first1 such as were natural and necessary2 the second1 such as were natural but not necessary2 the third1 such as were neither natural nor necessary4 ,and these are all such1 that those which are necessary are satisfied without much trouble or expense3 even those which are natural and not necessary1 do not require a great deal1 because nature itself makes the riches1 which are sufficient to content it1 easy of acquisition and of limited quantity3 but as for vain desires1 it is impossible to find any limit to1 or any moderation in them4 ,,xiv4 ,but if we see that the whole life of man is thrown into disorder by error and ignorance2 and that wisdom is the only thing which can relieve us from the sway of the passions and the fear of danger1 and which can teach us to bear the injuries of fortune itself with moderation1 and which shows us all the ways which lead to tranquillity and peace2 what reason is there that we should hesitate to say that wisdom is to be sought for the sake of pleasure1 and that folly is to be avoided on account of its annoyances8 ,and on the same principle we shall say that even temperance is not to be sought for its own sake1 but because it brings peace to the mind1 and soothes and tranquillizes them by what ,i may call a kind of concord4 ,for temperance is that which warns us to follow reason in desiring or avoiding anything4 ,nor is it sufficient to decide what ought to be done1 and what ought not2 but we must adhere to what has been decided4 ,but many men1 because they are enfeebled and subdued the moment pleasure comes in sight1 and so are unable to keep and adhere to the determination they have formed1 give themselves up to be bound hand and foot by their lusts1 and do not foresee what will happen to them2 and in that way1 on account of some pleasure which is trivial and unnecessary1 and which might be procured in some other manner1 and which they could dispense with without annoyance1 incur terrible diseases1 and injuries1 and disgrace1 and are often even involved in the penalties of the legal tribunals of their country4 ,but these men who wish to enjoy pleasure in such a way that no grief shall ever overtake them in consequence1 and who retain their judgment so as never to be overcome by pleasure as to do what they feel ought not to be done2 these men1 ,i say1 obtain the greatest pleasure by passing pleasure by4 ,they often even endure pain1 in order to avoid encountering greater pain hereafter by their shunning it at present4 ,from which consideration it is perceived that intemperance is not to be avoided for its own sake2 and that temperance is to be sought for1 not because it avoids pleasures1 but because it attains to greater ones4 ,,xv4 ,the same principle will be found to hold good with respect to courage4 ,for the discharge of labours and the endurance of pain are neither of them intrinsically tempting2 nor is patience1 nor diligence1 nor watchfulness1 nor industry which is so much extolled1 nor even courage itself3 but we cultivate these habits in order that we may live without care and fear1 and may be able1 as far as is in our power1 to release our minds and bodies from annoyance4 ,for as the whole condition of tranquil life is thrown into confusion by the fear of death1 and as it is a miserable thing to yield to pain and to bear it with a humble and imbecile mind2 and as on account of that weakness of mind many men have ruined their parents1 many men their friends1 some their country1 and very many indeed have utterly undone themselves2 so a vigorous and lofty mind is free from all care and pain1 since it despises death1 which only places those who encounter it in the same condition as that in which they were before they were born2 and it is so prepared for pain that it recollects that the very greatest are terminated by death1 and that slight pains have many intervals of rest1 and that we can master moderate ones1 so as to bear them if they are tolerable1 and if not1 we can depart with equanimity out of life1 just as out of a theatre1 when it no longer pleases us4 ,by all which considerations it is understood that cowardice and idleness are not blamed1 and that courage and patience are not praised1 for their own sakes2 but that the one line of conduct is rejected as the parent of pain1 and the other desired as the author of pleasure4 ,,xvi4 ,justice remains to be mentioned1 that ,i may not omit any virtue whatever2 but nearly the same things may be said respecting that4 ,for1 as ,i have already shown that wisdom1 temperance1 and fortitude are connected with pleasure in such a way that they cannot possibly be separated or divided from it1 so also we must consider that it is the case with justice4 ,which not only never injures any one2 but on the contrary always nourishes something which tranquillizes the mind1 partly by its own power and nature1 and partly by the hopes that nothing will be wanting of those things which a nature not depraved may fairly derive4 ,since rashness and lust and idleness always torture the mind1 always make it anxious1 and are of a turbulent character1 so too1 wherever injustice settles in any man's mind1 it is turbulent from the mere fact of its existence and presence there2 and if it forms any plan1 although it executes it ever so secretly1 still it never believes that what has been done will be concealed for ever4 ,for generally1 when wicked men do anything1 first of all suspicion overtakes their actions2 then the common conversation and report of men2 then the prosecutor and the judge2 and many even1 as was the case when you were consul1 have given information against themselves4 ,but if any men appear to themselves to be sufficiently fenced round and protected from the consciousness of men1 still they dread the knowledge of the ,gods1 and think that those very anxieties by which their minds are eaten up night and day1 are inflicted upon them by the immortal ,gods for the sake of punishment4 ,and how is it possible that wicked actions can ever have as much influence towards alleviating the annoyances of life1 as they must have towards increasing them from the consciousness of our actions1 and also from the punishments inflicted by the laws and the hatred of the citizens8 ,and yet1 in some people1 there is no moderation in their passion for money and for honour and for command1 or in their lusts and greediness and other desires1 which acquisitions1 however wickedly made1 do not at all diminish1 but rather inflame1 so that it seems we ought rather to restrain such men than to think that we can teach them better4 ,therefore sound wisdom invites sensible men to justice1 equity1 and good faith4 ,and unjust actions are not advantageous even to that man who has no abilities or resources2 inasmuch as he cannot easily do what he endeavours to do1 nor obtain his objects if he does succeed in his endeavours4 ,and the gifts of fortune and of genius are better suited to liberality2 and those who practise this virtue gain themselves goodwill1 and affection1 which is the most powerful of all things to enable a man to live with tranquillity2 especially when he has absolutely no motive at all for doing wrong4 ,for those desires which proceed from nature are easily satisfied without any injustice2 but those which are vain ought not to be complied with4 ,for they desire nothing which is really desirable2 and there is more disadvantage in the mere fact of injustice than there is advantage in what is acquired by the injustice4 ,therefore a person would not be right who should pronounce even justice intrinsically desirable for its own sake2 but because it brings the greatest amount of what is agreeable4 ,for to be loved and to be dear to others is agreeable because it makes life safer1 and pleasure more abundant4 ,therefore we think dishonesty should be avoided1 not only on account of those disadvantages which befal the wicked1 but even much more because it never permits the man in whose mind it abides to breathe freely1 and never lets him rest4 ,but if the praise of those identical virtues in which the discourse of all other philosophers so especially exults1 cannot find any end unless it be directed towards pleasure1 and if pleasure be the only thing which calls and allures us to itself by its own nature2 then it cannot be doubtful that that is the highest and greatest of all goods1 and that to live happily is nothing else except to live with pleasure4 ,,xvii4 ,and ,i will now explain in a few words the things which are inseparably connected with this sure and solid opinion4 ,there is no mistake with respect to the ends themselves of good and evil1 that is to say1 with respect to pleasure and pain2 but men err in these points when they do not know what they are caused by4 ,but we admit that the pleasures and pains of the mind are caused by the pleasures and pains of the body4 ,therefore ,i grant what you were saying just now1 that if any philosophers of our school think differently 7and ,i see that many men do so1 but they are ignorant people7 they must be convicted of error4 ,but although pleasure of mind brings us joy1 and pain causes us grief1 it is still true that each of these feelings originates in the body1 and is referred to the body2 and it does not follow on that account that both the pleasures and pains of the mind are not much more important than those of the body4 ,for with the body we are unable to feel anything which is not actually existent and present2 but with our mind we feel things past and things to come4 ,for although when we are suffering bodily pain1 we are equally in pain in our minds1 still a very great addition may be made to that if we believe that any endless and boundless evil is impending over us4 ,and we may transfer this assertion to pleasure1 so that that will be greater if we have no such fear4 ,this now is entirely evident1 that the very greatest pleasure or annoyance of the mind contributes more to making life happy or miserable than either of these feelings can do if it is in the body for an equal length of time4 ,but we do not agree that1 if pleasure be taken away1 grief follows immediately1 unless by chance it happens that pain has succeeded and taken the place of pleasure2 but1 on the other hand1 we affirm that men do rejoice at getting rid of pain even if no pleasure which can affect the senses succeeds4 ,and from this it may be understood how great a pleasure it is not to be in pain4 ,but as we are roused by those good things which we are in expectation of1 so we rejoice at those which we recollect4 ,but foolish men are tortured by the recollection of past evils2 wise men are delighted by the memory of past good things1 which are thus renewed by the agreeable recollection4 ,but there is a feeling implanted in us by which we bury adversity as it were in a perpetual oblivion1 but dwell with pleasure and delight on the recollection of good fortune4 ,but when with eager and attentive minds we dwell on what is past1 the consequence is1 that melancholy ensues1 if the past has been unprosperous2 but joy1 if it has been fortunate4 ,,xviii4 ,oh what a splendid1 and manifest1 and simple1 and plain way of living well6 ,for as certainly nothing could be better for man than to be free from all pain and annoyance1 and to enjoy the greatest pleasures of both mind and body1 do you not see how nothing is omitted which can aid life1 so as to enable men more easily to arrive at that chief good which is their object6 ,epicurus cries out--the very man whom you pronounce to be too devoted to pleasure--that man cannot live agreeably1 unless he lives honourably1 justly1 and wisely2 and that1 if he lives wisely1 honourably1 and justly1 it is impossible that he should not live agreeably4 ,for a city in sedition cannot be happy1 nor can a house in which the masters are quarrelling4 ,so that a mind which disagrees and quarrels with itself1 cannot taste any portion of clear and unrestrained pleasure4 ,and a man who is always giving in to pursuits and plans which are inconsistent with and contrary to one another1 can never know any quiet or tranquillity4 ,but if the pleasure of life is hindered by the graver diseases of the body1 how much more must it be so by those of the mind8 ,but the diseases of the mind are boundless and vain desires of riches1 or glory1 or domination1 or even of lustful pleasures4 ,besides these there are melancholy1 annoyance1 sorrow1 which eat up and destroy with anxiety the minds of those men who do not understand that the mind ought not to grieve about anything which is unconnected with some present or future pain of body4 ,nor is there any fool who does not suffer under some one of these diseases4 ,therefore there is no fool who is not miserable4 ,besides these things there is death1 which is always hanging over us as his rock is over ,tantalus2 and superstition1 a feeling which prevents any one who is imbued with it from ever enjoying tranquillity4 ,besides1 such men as they do not recollect their past good fortune1 do not enjoy what is present1 but do nothing but expect what is to come2 and as that cannot be certain1 they wear themselves out with grief and apprehension1 and are tormented most especially when they find out1 after it is too late1 that they have devoted themselves to the pursuit of money1 or authority1 or power1 or glory1 to no purpose4 ,for they have acquired no pleasures1 by the hope of enjoying which it was that they were inflamed to undertake so many great labours4 ,there are others1 of little and narrow minds1 either always despairing of everything1 or else malcontent1 envious1 ill-tempered1 churlish1 calumnious1 and morose2 others devoted to amatory pleasures1 others petulant1 others audacious1 wanton1 intemperate1 or idle1 never continuing in the same opinion2 on which account there is never any interruption to the annoyances to which their life is exposed4 ,therefore1 there is no fool who is happy1 and no wise man who is not4 ,and we put this much more forcibly and truly than the ,stoics3 for they assert that there is no good whatever1 but some imaginary shadow which they call 1 a name showy rather than substantial2 and they insist upon it1 that virtue relying on this principle of honour stands in need of no pleasure1 and is content with its own resources as adequate to secure a happy life4 ,,xix4 ,however1 these assertions may be to a certain extent made not only without our objecting to them1 but even with our concurrence and agreement4 ,for in this way the wise man is represented by ,epicurus as always happy4 ,he has limited desires2 he disregards death2 he has a true opinion concerning the immortal ,gods without any fear2 he does not hesitate1 if it is better for him1 to depart from life4 ,being prepared in this manner1 and armed with these principles1 he is always in the enjoyment of pleasure2 nor is there any period when he does not feel more pleasure than pain4 ,for he remembers the past with gratitude1 and he enjoys the present so as to notice how important and how delightful the joys which it supplies are2 nor does he depend on future good1 but he waits for that and enjoys the present2 and is as far removed as possible from those vices which ,i have enumerated2 and when he compares the life of fools to his own he feels great pleasure4 ,and pain1 if any does attack him1 has never such power that the wise man has not more to rejoice at than to be grieved at4 ,but ,epicurus does admirably in saying that fortune has but little power over the wise man1 and that the greatest and most important events of such a man's life are managed by his own wisdom and prudence2 and that greater pleasure cannot be derived from an eternity of life than such a man enjoys from this life which we see to be limited4 ,but in your dialectics he thought that there was no power which could contribute either to enable men to live better1 or argue more conveniently4 ,to natural philosophy he attributed a great deal of importance4 ,for by the one science it is only the meaning of words and the character of a speech1 and the way in which arguments follow from or are inconsistent with one another1 that can be seen2 but if the nature of all things is known1 we are by that knowledge relieved from superstition1 released from the fear of death1 exempted from being perplexed by our ignorance of things1 from which ignorance horrible fears often arise4 ,lastly1 we shall be improved in our morals when we have learnt what nature requires4 ,moreover1 if we have an accurate knowledge of things1 preserving that rule which has fallen from heaven as it were for the knowledge of all things1 by which all our judgments of things are to be regulated1 we shall never abandon our opinions because of being overcome by any one's eloquence4 ,for unless the nature of things is thoroughly known1 we shall have no means by which we can defend the judgments formed by our senses4 ,moreover1 whatever we discern by our intellect1 all arises from the senses4 ,and if our senses are all correct1 as the theory of ,epicurus affirms1 then something may be discerned and understood accurately2 but as to those men who deny the power of the senses1 and say that nothing can be known by them1 those very men1 if the senses are discarded1 will be unable to explain that very point which they are arguing about4 ,besides1 if all knowledge and science is put out of the question1 then there is an end also of all settled principles of living and of doing anything4 ,thus1 by means of natural philosophy1 courage is desired to withstand the fear of death1 and constancy to put aside the claims engendered by superstition2 and by removing ignorance of all secret things1 tranquillity of mind is produced2 and by explaining the nature of desires and their different kinds1 we get moderation3 and 7as ,i just now explained7 by means of this rule of knowledge1 and of the judgment which is established and corrected by it1 the power of distinguishing truth from falsehood is put into man's hands4 ,,xx4 ,there remains a topic necessary above all others to this discussion1 that of friendship1 namely3 which you1 if pleasure is the chief good1 affirm to have no existence at all4 ,concerning which ,epicurus speaks thus3 ,that of all the things which wisdom has collected to enable man to live happily1 nothing is more important1 more influential1 or more delightful than friendship4 ,nor did he prove this assertion by words only1 but still more by his life1 and conduct1 and actions4 ,and how important a thing it is1 the fables of the ancients abundantly intimate1 in which1 many and varied as they are1 and traced back to the remotest antiquity1 scarcely three pairs of friends are found1 even if you begin as far back as ,theseus1 and come down to ,orestes4 ,but in one single house1 and that a small one1 what great crowds of friends did ,epicurus collect1 and how strong was the bond of affection that held them together6 ,and this is the case even now among the ,epicureans4 ,however1 let us return to our subject3 it is not necessary for us to be discussing men4 ,i see1 then1 that the philosophers of our school have treated the question of friendship in three ways4 ,some1 as they denied that those pleasures which concerned our friends were to be sought with as much eagerness for their own sake1 as we display in seeking our own1 7by pressing which topic some people think that the stability of friendship is endangered17 maintain that doctrine resolutely1 and1 as ,i think1 easily explain it4 ,for1 as in the case of the virtues which ,i have already mentioned1 so too they deny that friendship can ever be separated from pleasure4 ,for1 as a life which is solitary and destitute of friends is full of treachery and alarm1 reason itself warns us to form friendships4 ,and when such are formed1 then our minds are strengthened1 and cannot be drawn away from the hope of attaining pleasure4 ,and as hatred1 envy1 and contempt are all opposed to pleasures1 so friendships are not only the most faithful favourers1 but also are the efficient causes of pleasures to one's friends as well as to oneself2 and men not only enjoy those pleasures at the moment1 but are also roused by hopes of subsequent and future time4 ,and as we cannot possibly maintain a lasting and continued happiness of life without friendship1 nor maintain friendship itself unless we love our friends and ourselves equally1 therefore this very effect is produced in friendship1 and friendship is combined with pleasure4 ,for we rejoice in the joy of our friends as much as we do in our own1 and we are equally grieved at their sorrows4 ,wherefore the wise man will feel towards his friend as he does towards himself1 and whatever labour he would encounter with a view to his own pleasure1 he will encounter also for the sake of that of his friend4 ,and all that has been said of the virtues as to the way in which they are invariably combined with pleasure1 should also be said of friendship4 ,for admirably does ,epicurus say1 in almost these exact words3 8,the same science has strengthened the mind so that it should not fear any eternal or long lasting evil1 inasmuch as in this very period of human life1 it has clearly seen that the surest bulwark against evil is that of friendship40 ,there are1 however1 some ,epicureans who are rather intimidated by the reproaches of your school1 but still men of sufficient acuteness1 and they are afraid lest1 if we think that friendship is only to be sought after with a view to our own pleasure1 all friendships should1 as it were1 appear to be crippled4 ,therefore they admit that the first meetings1 and unions1 and desires to establish intimacy1 do arise from a desire of pleasure2 but1 they say1 that when progressive habit has engendered familiarity1 then such great affection is ripened1 that friends are loved by one another for their own sake1 even without any idea of advantage intermingling with such love4 ,in truth1 if we are in the habit of feeling affection for places1 and temples1 and cities1 and gymnasia1 and the ,campus ,martius1 and for dogs1 and horses1 and sports1 in consequence of our habit of exercising ourselves1 and hunting1 and so on1 how much more easily and reasonably may such a feeling be produced in us by our intimacy with men6 ,but some people say that there is a sort of agreement entered into by wise men not to love their friends less than themselves2 which we both imagine to be possible1 and indeed see to be often the case2 and it is evident that nothing can be found having any influence on living agreeably1 which is better suited to it than such a union4 ,from all which considerations it may be inferred1 not only that the principle of friendship is not hindered by our placing the chief good in pleasure1 but that without such a principle it is quite impossible that any friendship should be established4 ,,xxi4 ,wherefore1 if the things which ,i have been saying are clearer and plainer than the sun itself2 if all that ,i have said is derived from the fountain of nature2 if the whole of my discourse forces assent to itself by its accordance with the senses1 that is to say1 with the most incorruptible and honest of all witnesses2 if infant children1 and even brute beasts1 declare almost in words1 under the teaching and guidance of nature1 that nothing is prosperous but pleasure1 nothing hateful but pain--a matter as to which their decision is neither erroneous nor corrupt--ought we not to feel the greatest gratitude to that man who1 having heard this voice of nature1 as ,i may call it1 has embraced it with such firmness and steadiness1 that he has led all sensible men into the path of a peaceful1 tranquil1 and happy life8 ,and as for his appearing to you to be a man of but little learning1 the reason of that is1 that he thought no learning deserving of the name except such as assisted in the attainment of a happy life4 ,was he a man to waste his time in reading poets1 as ,triarius and ,i do at your instigation8 men in whose works there is no solid utility1 but only a childish sort of amusement2 or to devote himself1 like ,plato1 to music1 geometry1 arithmetic1 and astronomy8 studies which1 starting from erroneous principles1 cannot possibly be true2 and which1 if they were true1 would constitute nothing to our living more agreeably1 that is to say1 better4 ,should he1 then1 pursue such occupations as those1 and abandon the task of laying down principles of living1 laborious1 but1 at the same time1 useful as they are8 ,epicurus1 then1 was not destitute of learning2 but those persons are ignorant who think that those studies which it is discreditable for boys not to have learnt1 are to be continued till old age4 ,and when he had spoken thus1--,i have now1 said he1 explained my opinions1 and have done so with the design of learning your judgment of them4 ,but the opportunity of doing so1 as ,i wished1 has never been offered me before to-day4 ,second ,book ,of ,the ,treatise ,on ,the ,chief ,good ,and ,evil4 ,i4 ,on this1 when both of them fixed their eyes on me1 and showed that they were ready to listen to me3--,in the first place1 said ,i1 ,i intreat you not to fancy that ,i1 like a professed philosopher1 am going to explain to you the doctrines of some particular school2 a course which ,i have never much approved of when adopted by philosophers themselves4 ,for when did ,socrates1 who may fairly be called the parent of philosophy1 ever do anything of the sort8 ,that custom was patronized by those who at that time were called ,sophists1 of which number ,georgias of ,leontium was the first who ventured in an assembly to demand a question1--that is to say1 to desire any one in the company to say what he wished to hear discussed4 ,it was a bold proceeding2 ,i should call it an impudent one1 if this fashion had not subsequently been borrowed by our own philosophers4 ,but we see that he whom ,i have just mentioned1 and all the other ,sophists1 7as may be gathered from ,plato17 were all turned into ridicule by ,socrates2 for he1 by questioning and interrogating them1 was in the habit of eliciting the opinions of those with whom he was arguing1 and then1 if he thought it necessary1 of replying to the answers which they had given him4 ,and as that custom had not been preserved by those who came after him1 ,arcesilaus re-introduced it1 and established the custom1 that those who wished to become his pupils were not to ask him questions1 but themselves to state their opinions2 and then1 when they had stated them1 he replied to what they had advanced2 but those who came to him for instruction defended their own opinions as well as they could4 ,but with all the rest of the philosophers the man who asks the question says no more2 and this practice prevails in the ,academy to this day4 ,for when he who wishes to receive instruction has spoken thus1 8,pleasure appears to me to be the chief good10 they argue against this proposition in an uninterrupted discourse2 so that it may be easily understood that they who say that they entertain such and such an opinion1 do not of necessity really entertain it1 but wish to hear the arguments which may be brought against it4 ,we follow a more convenient method1 for not only has ,torquatus explained what his opinions are1 but also why he entertains them3 but ,i myself think1 although ,i was exceedingly delighted with his uninterrupted discourse1 that still1 when you stop at each point that arises1 and come to an understanding what each party grants1 and what he denies1 you draw the conclusion you desire from what is admitted with more convenience1 and come to an end of the discussion more readily4 ,for when a discourse is borne on uninterruptedly1 like a torrent1 although it hurries along in its course many things of every kind1 you still can take hold of nothing1 and put your hand on nothing1 and can find no means of restraining that rapid discourse4 ,,ii4 ,but every discourse which is concerned in the investigation of any matter1 and which proceeds on any system and principle1 ought first to establish the rule 7as is done in lawsuits1 where one proceeds according to set formulas71 in order that it may be agreed between the parties to the discussion1 what the subject of the discussion really is4 ,this rule was approved by ,epicurus1 as it was laid down by ,plato in his 8,phdrus10 and he considered that it ought to be adopted in every controversy4 ,but he did not perceive what was the necessary consequence of it1 for he asserts that the subject ought not to be defined2 but if this be not done1 it is sometimes impossible that the disputants should agree what the matter is that is the subject of discussion1 as in this very case which we are discussing now1 for we are inquiring into the ,end of ,good4 ,how can we know what the character of this is1 if1 when we have used the expression the ,end of ,good1 we do not compare with one another our ideas of what is meant by the ,end1 and of what the ,good itself is8 ,and this laying open of things covered up1 as it were1 when it is once explained what each thing is1 is the definition of it2 which you sometimes used without being aware of it2 for you defined this very thing1 whether it is to be called the ,end1 or the extremity1 or the limit1 to be that to which everything which was done rightly was referred1 and which was itself never referred to anything4 ,so far was very well said2 and1 perhaps1 if it had been necessary1 you would also have defined the ,good itself1 and told us what that was2 making it to be that which is desirable by nature1 or that which is profitable1 or that which is useful1 or that which is pleasant3 and now1 since you have no general objections to giving definitions1 and do it when you please1 if it is not too much trouble1 ,i should be glad if you would define what is pleasure1 for that is what all this discussion relates to4 ,as if1 said he1 there were any one who is ignorant what pleasure is1 or who is in need of any definition to enable him to understand it better4 ,i should say1 ,i replied1 that ,i myself am such a man1 if ,i did not seem to myself to have a thorough acquaintance with1 and an accurate idea and notion of1 pleasure firmly implanted in my mind4 ,but1 at present1 ,i say that ,epicurus himself does not know1 and that he is greatly in error on this subject2 and that he who mentions the subject so often ought to explain carefully what the meaning of the words he uses is1 but that he sometimes does not understand what the meaning of this word pleasure is1 that is to say1 what the idea is which is contained under this word4 ,,iii4 ,then he laughed1 and said1--,this is a capital idea1 indeed1 that he who says that pleasure is the end of all things which are to be desired1 the very extreme point and limit of ,good1 should be ignorant of what it is1 and of what is its character4 ,but1 ,i replied1 either ,epicurus is ignorant of what pleasure is1 or else all the rest of the world are4 ,how so8 said he4 ,because all men feel that this is pleasure which moves the senses when they receive it1 and which has a certain agreeableness pervading it throughout4 ,what then1 said he1 is ,epicurus ignorant of that kind of pleasure8 ,not always1 ,i replied2 for sometimes he is even too well acquainted with it1 inasmuch as he declares that he is unable even to understand where it is1 or what any good is1 except that which is enjoyed by the instrumentality of meat or drink1 or the pleasure of the ears1 or sensual enjoyment3 is not this what he says8 ,as if1 said he1 ,i were ashamed of these things1 or as if ,i were unable to explain in what sense these things are said4 ,i do not doubt1 ,i replied1 that you can do so easily2 nor is there any reason why you need be ashamed of arguing with a wise man1 who is the only man1 as far as ,i know1 who has ever ventured to profess himself a wise man4 ,for they do not think that ,metrodorus himself professed this1 but only that1 when he was called wise by ,epicurus1 he was unwilling to reject such an expression of his goodwill4 ,but the ,seven had this name given to them1 not by themselves1 but by the universal suffrage of all nations4 ,however1 in this place1 ,i will assume that ,epicurus1 by these expressions1 certainly meant to intimate the same kind of pleasure that the rest do2 for all men call that pleasing motion by which the senses are rendered cheerful1 in ,greek1 and voluptas in ,latin4 ,what is it1 then1 that you ask8 ,i will tell you1 said ,i1 and that for the sake of learning rather than of finding fault with either you or ,epicurus4 ,i too1 said he1 should be more desirous to learn of you1 if you can impart anything worth learning1 than to find fault with you4 ,well1 then1 said ,i1 you are aware of what ,hieronymus7#be7 of ,rhodes says is the chief good1 to which he thinks that everything ought to be referred8 ,i know1 said he1 that he thinks that the great end is freedom from pain4 ,well1 what are his sentiments respecting pleasure8 ,he affirms1 he replied1 that it is not to be sought for its own sake2 for he thinks that rejoicing is one thing1 and being free from pain another4 ,and indeed1 continued he1 he is in this point greatly mistaken1 for1 as ,i proved a little while ago1 the end of increasing pleasure is the removal of all pain4 ,i will examine1 said ,i1 presently1 what the meaning of the expression1 freedom from pain1 is2 but unless you are very obstinate1 you must admit that pleasure is a perfectly distinct thing from mere freedom from pain4 ,you will1 however1 said he1 find that ,i am obstinate in this2 for nothing can be more real than the identity between the two4 ,is there1 now1 said ,i1 any pleasure felt by a thirsty man in drinking8 ,who can deny it8 said he4 ,is it1 asked ,i1 the same pleasure that he feels after his thirst is extinguished8 ,it is1 replied he1 another kind of pleasure2 for the state of extinguished thirst has in it a certain stability of pleasure1 but the pleasure of extinguishing it is pleasure in motion4 ,why1 then1 said ,i1 do you call things so unlike one another by the same name8 ,do not you recollect1 he rejoined1 what ,i said just now1--that when all pain is banished1 pleasure is varied1 not extinguished8 ,i recollect1 said ,i2 but you spoke in admirable ,latin1 indeed1 but yet not very intelligibly2 for varietas is a ,latin word1 and properly applicable to a difference of colour1 but it is applied metaphorically to many differences3 we apply the adjective1 varias1 to poems1 orations1 manners1 and changes of fortune2 it is occasionally predicated also of pleasure1 when it is derived from many things unlike one another1 which cause pleasures which are similarly unlike4 ,now1 if that is the variety you mean1 ,i should understand you1 as1 in fact1 ,i do understand you1 without your saying so3 but still1 ,i do not see clearly what that variety is1 because you say1 that when we are free from pain we are then in the enjoyment of the greatest pleasure2 but when we are eating those things which cause a pleasing motion to the senses1 then there is a pleasure in the emotion which causes a variety in the pleasure2 but still1 that that pleasure which arises from the freedom from pain is not increased2--and why you call that pleasure ,i do not know4 ,,iv4 ,is it possible1 said he1 for anything to be more delightful than freedom from pain8 ,well1 said ,i1 but grant that nothing is preferable to that1 7for that is not the point which ,i am inquiring about at present17 does it follow on that account1 that pleasure is identical with what ,i may call painlessness8 ,undoubtedly it is identical with it1 said he2 and that painlessness is the greatest of pleasures which no other can possibly exceed4 ,why1 then1 said ,i1 do you hesitate1 after you have defined the chief good in this manner1 to uphold1 and defend1 and maintain the proposition1 that the whole of pleasure consists in freedom from pain8 ,for what necessity for your introducing pleasure among the council of the virtues1 any more than for bringing in a courtezan to an assembly of matrons8 ,the very name of pleasure is odious1 infamous1 and a just object of suspicion3 therefore1 you are all in the constant habit of saying that we do not understand what ,epicurus means when he speaks of pleasure4 ,and whenever such an assertion is made to me1--and ,i hear it advanced pretty often1--although ,i am usually a very peaceful arguer1 still ,i do on such occasions get a little angry4 ,am ,i to be told that ,i do not know what that is which the ,greeks call 1 and the ,latins voluptas8 ,which language is it1 then1 that ,i do not understand8 ,then1 too1 how comes it about that ,i do not understand1 though every one else does1 who chooses to call himself an ,epicurean8 when the disciples of your school argue most excellently1 that there is no need whatever for a man1 who wishes to become a philosopher1 to be acquainted with literature4 ,therefore1 just as our ancestors tore ,cincinnatus away from his plough to make him ,dictator1 in like manner you collect from among the ,greeks all those men1 who may in truth be respectable men enough1 but who are certainly not over-learned4 ,do they then understand what ,epicurus means1 and do ,i not understand it8 ,however1 that you may know that ,i do understand1 first of all ,i tell you that voluptas is the same thing that he calls 4 ,and1 indeed1 we often have to seek for a ,latin word equivalent to1 and exactly equipollent to a ,greek one2 but here we had nothing to seek for3 for no word can be found which will more exactly express in ,latin what does in ,greek1 than voluptas4 ,now every man in the world who understands ,latin1 comprehends under this word two things1--joy in the mind1 and an agreeable emotion of pleasantness in the body4 ,for when the man in ,trabea7#bf7 calls an excessive pleasure of the mind joy1 7ltitia17 he says much the same as the other character in ,ccilius's play1 who says that he is joyful with every sort of joy4 ,however1 there is this difference1 that pleasure is also spoken of as affecting the mind2 which is wrong1 as the ,stoics think1 who define it thus3 8,an elation of the mind without reason1 when the mind has an idea that it is enjoying some great good40 ,but the words ltitia 7gladness71 and gaudium 7joy71 do not properly apply to the body4 ,but the word voluptas 7pleasure7 is applied to the body by the usage of all people who speak ,latin1 whenever that pleasantness is felt which moves any one of the senses4 ,now transfer this pleasantness1 if you please1 to the mind2 for the verb juvo 7to please7 is applied both to body and mind1 and the word jucundus is derived from it2 provided you understand that between the man who says1 ,i am transported with gladness now ,that ,i am scarce myself4444 and him who says1 ,now then at length my mind's on fire1 444 one of whom is beside himself with joy1 and the other is being tormented with anguish1 there is this intermediate person1 whose language is1 ,although this our acquaintance is so new1 who feels neither gladness nor anguish4 ,and1 in the same manner1 between the man who is in the enjoyment of the pleasures of the body1 which he has been wishing for1 and him who is being tormented with extreme anguish1 there is a third man1 who is free alike from pleasure and from pain4 ,v4 ,do ,i not1 then1 seem to you sufficiently to understand the meaning of words1 or must ,i at this time of life be taught how to speak ,greek1 and even ,latin8 ,and yet ,i would have you consider1 whether if ,i1 who1 as ,i think1 understand ,greek very fairly1 do still not understand what ,epicurus means1 it it may not be owing to some fault of his for speaking so as not to be intelligible4 ,and this sometimes happens in two ways1 without any blame2 either if you do so on purpose1 as ,heraclitus did1 who got the surname of 17#bg7 because he spoke with too much obscurity about natural philosophy2 or when the obscurity of the subject itself1 not of the language1 prevents what is said from being clearly understood1 as is the case in the ,timus of ,plato4 ,but ,epicurus1 as ,i imagine1 is both willing1 if it is in his power1 to speak intelligibly1 and is also speaking1 not of an obscure subject like the natural philosophers1 nor of one depending on precise rules1 as the mathematicians are1 but he is discussing a plain and simple matter1 which is a subject of common conversation among the common people4 ,although you do not deny that we understand the usual meaning of the word voluptas1 but only what he means by it3 from which it follows1 not that we do not understand what is the meaning of that word1 but that he follows his own fashion1 and neglects our usual one2 for if he means the same thing that ,hieronymus does1 who thinks that the chief good is to live without any annoyance1 why does he prefer using the term 8pleasure0 rather than freedom from pain1 as ,hieronymus does1 who is quite aware of the force of the words which he employs8 ,but1 if he thinks that he ought to add1 that pleasure which consists in motion1 7for this is the distinction he draws1 that this agreeable pleasure is pleasure in motion1 but the pleasure of him who is free from pain is a state of pleasure17 then why does he appear to aim at what is impossible1 namely1 to make any one who knows himself--that is to say1 who has any proper comprehension of his own nature and sensations--think freedom from pain1 and pleasure1 the same thing8 ,this1 ,o ,torquatus1 is doing violence to one's senses2 it is wresting out of our minds the understanding of words with which we are imbued2 for who can avoid seeing that these three states exist in the nature of things3 first1 the state of being in pleasure2 secondly1 that of being in pain2 thirdly1 that of being in such a condition as we are at this moment1 and you too1 ,i imagine1 that is to say1 neither in pleasure nor in pain2 in such pleasure1 ,i mean1 as a man who is at a banquet1 or in such pain as a man who is being tortured4 ,what6 do you not see a vast multitude of men who are neither rejoicing nor suffering1 but in an intermediate state between these two conditions8 ,no1 indeed1 said he2 ,i say that all men who are free from pain are in pleasure1 and in the greatest pleasure too4 ,do you1 then1 say that the man who1 not being thirsty himself1 mingles some wine for another1 and the thirsty man who drinks it when mixed1 are both enjoying the same pleasure8 ,,vi4 ,then1 said he1 a truce1 if you please1 to all your questions2 and1 indeed1 ,i said at the beginning that ,i would rather have none of them1 for ,i had a provident dread of these captious dialectics4 ,would you rather1 then1 said ,i1 that we should argue rhetorically than dialectically8 ,as if1 said he1 a continuous discourse belonged solely to orators1 and not to philosophers also6 ,i will tell you1 said ,i1 what ,zeno the ,stoic said2 he said1 as ,aristotle had said before him1 that all speaking was divided into two kinds1 and that rhetoric resembled the open palm1 dialectics the closed fist1 because orators usually spoke in a rather diffuse1 and dialecticians in a somewhat compressed style4 ,i will comply1 then1 with your desires1 and will speak1 if ,i can1 in an oratorical style1 but still with the oratory of the philosophers1 and not that which we use in the forum2 which is forced at times1 when it is speaking so as to suit the multitude1 to submit to a very ordinary style4 ,but while ,epicurus1 ,o ,torquatus1 is expressing his contempt for dialectics1 an art which by itself contains the whole science both of perceiving what the real subject is in every question1 and also of judging what the character of each thing is1 by its system and method of conducting the argument1 he goes on too fast1 as it seems to me1 and does not distinguish with any skill at all the different points which he is intent upon proving1 as in this very instance which we were just now speaking of4 ,pleasure is pronounced to be the chief good4 ,we must then open the question1 ,what is pleasure8 for otherwise1 the thing which we are seeking for cannot be explained4 ,but1 if he had explained it1 he would not hesitate2 for either he would maintain that same definition of pleasure which ,aristippus did1 namely1 that it is that feeling by which the senses are agreeably and pleasantly moved1 which even cattle1 if they could speak1 would call pleasure2 or else1 if he chose rather to speak in his own style1 than like ,all the ,greeks from high ,mycen1 ,all ,minerva's ,attic youth1 and the rest of the ,greeks who are spoken of in these anapsts1 then he would call this freedom from pain alone by the name of pleasure1 and would despise the definition of ,aristippus2 or1 if he thought both definitions good1 as in fact he does1 he would combine freedom from pain with pleasure1 and would employ the two extremes in his own definition3 for many1 and they1 too1 great philosophers1 have combined these extremities of goods1 as1 for instance1 ,aristotle1 who united in his idea the practice of virtue with the prosperity of an entire life4 ,callipho7#bh7 added pleasure to what is honourable4 ,diodorus1 in his definition1 added to the same honourableness1 freedom from pain4 ,epicurus would have done so too1 if he had combined the opinion which was held by ,hieronymus1 with the ancient theory of ,aristippus4 ,for those two men disagree with one another1 and on this account they employ separate definitions2 and1 while they both write the most beautiful ,greek1 still1 neither does ,aristippus1 who calls pleasure the chief good1 ever speak of freedom from pain as pleasure2 nor does ,hieronymus1 who lays it down that freedom from pain is the chief good1 ever use the word 8pleasure0 for that painlessness1 inasmuch as he never even reckons pleasure at all among the things which are desirable4 ,,vii4 ,they are also two distinct things1 that you may not think that the difference consists only in words and names4 ,one is to be without pain1 the other to be with pleasure4 ,but your school not only attempt to make one name for these two things which are so exceedingly unlike1 7for ,i would not mind that so much17 but you endeavour also to make one thing out of the two1 which is utterly impossible4 ,but ,epicurus1 who admits both things1 ought to use both expressions1 and in fact he does divide them in reality1 but still he does not distinguish between them in words4 ,for though he in many places praises that very pleasure which we all call by the same name1 he ventures to say that he does not even suspect that there is any good whatever unconnected with that kind of pleasure which ,aristippus means2 and he makes this statement in the very place where his whole discourse is about the chief good4 ,but in another book1 in which he utters opinions of the greatest weight in a concise form of words1 and in which he is said to have delivered oracles of wisdom1 he writes in those words which you are well acquainted with1 ,o ,torquatus4 ,for who is there of you who has not learnt the of ,epicurus1 that is to say1 his fundamental maxims8 because they are sentiments of the greatest gravity intended to guide men to a happy life1 and enunciated with suitable brevity4 ,consider1 therefore1 whether ,i am not translating this maxim of his correctly4 8,if those things which are the efficient causes of pleasures to luxurious men were to release them from all fear of the gods1 and of death1 and of pain1 and to show them what are the proper limits to their desires1 we should have nothing to find fault with2 as men would then be filled with pleasures from all quarters1 and have on no side anything painful or melancholy1 for all such things are evil40 ,on this ,triarius could restrain himself no longer4 ,i beg of you1 ,torquatus1 said he1 to tell me1 is this what ,epicurus says8--because he appeared to me1 although he knew it himself1 still to wish to hear ,torquatus admit it4 ,but he was not at all put out1 and said with great confidence1 ,indeed1 he does1 and in these identical words2 but you do not perceive what he means4 ,if1 said ,i1 he says one thing and means another1 then ,i never shall understand what he means1 but he speaks plainly enough for me to see what he says4 ,and if what he says is that luxurious men are not to be blamed if they are wise men1 he talks absurdly2 just as if he were to say that parricides are not to be found fault with if they are not covetous1 and if they fear neither gods1 nor death1 nor pain4 ,and yet1 what is the object of making any exception as to the luxurious1 or of supposing any people1 who1 while living luxuriously1 would not be reproved by that consummate philosopher1 provided only they guard against all other vices4 ,still1 would not you1 ,epicurus1 blame luxurious men for the mere fact of their living in such a manner as to pursue every sort of pleasure2 especially when1 as you say1 the chief pleasure of all is to be free from pain8 ,but yet we find some debauched men so far from having any religious scruples1 that they will eat even out of the sacred vessels2 and so far from fearing death that they are constantly repeating that passage out of the ,hymnis17#bi7-- ,six months of life for me are quite sufficient1 ,the seventh may be for the shades below1-- and bringing up that ,epicurean remedy for pain1 as if they were taking it out of a medicine chest3 8,if it is bitter1 it is of short duration2 if it lasts a long time1 it must be slight in degree40 ,there is one thing which ,i do not understand1 namely1 how a man who is devoted to luxury can possibly have his appetites under restraint4 ,,viii4 ,what then is the use of saying1 ,i should have nothing to reproach them with if they only set bounds to their appetites8 ,this is the same as saying1 ,i should not blame debauched men if they were not debauched men4 ,in the same way one might say1 ,i should not blame even wicked men if they were virtuous4 ,this man of strict morality does not think luxury of itself a thing to be blamed4 ,and1 indeed1 ,o ,torquatus1 to speak the truth1 if pleasure is the chief good1 he is quite right not to think so4 ,for ,i should be sorry to picture to myself1 7as you are in the habit of doing17 men so debauched as to vomit over the table and be carried away from banquets1 and then the next day1 while still suffering from indigestion1 gorge themselves again2 men who1 as they say1 have never in their lives seen the sun set or rise1 and who1 having devoured their patrimony1 are reduced to indigence4 ,none of us imagine that debauched men of that sort live pleasantly4 ,you1 however1 rather mean to speak of refined and elegant bons vivans1 men who1 by the employment of the most skilful cooks and bakers1 and by carefully culling the choicest products of fishermen1 fowlers1 and hunters1 avoid all indigestion-- ,men who draw richer wines from foaming casks4 ,as ,lucilius says1 men who ,so strain1 so cool the rosy wine with snow1 ,that all the flavour still remains uninjured-- and so on--men in the enjoyment of luxuries such that1 if they are taken away1 ,epicurus says that he does not know what there is that can be called good4 ,let them also have beautiful boys to attend upon them2 let their clothes1 their plate1 their articles of ,corinthian vertu1 the banqueting-room itself1 all correspond1 still ,i should never be induced to say that these men so devoted to luxury were living either well or happily4 ,from which it follows1 not indeed that pleasure is not pleasure1 but that pleasure is not the chief good4 ,nor was ,llius1 who1 when a young man1 was a pupil of ,diogenes the ,stoic1 and afterwards of ,pantius1 called a wise man because he did not understand what was most pleasant to the taste1 7for it does not follow that the man who has a discerning heart must necessarily have a palate destitute of discernment17 but because he thought it of but small importance4 ,o sorrel1 how that man may boast himself1 ,by whom you're known and valued6 ,proud of you1 ,that wise man ,llius would loudly shout1 ,addressing all our epicures in order4 ,and it was well said by ,llius1 and he may be truly called a wise man1-- ,you ,publius1 ,gallonius1 you whirlpool1 ,you are a miserable man2 you never ,in all your life have really feasted well1 ,though spending all your substance on those prawns1 ,and overgrown huge sturgeons4 ,the man who says this is one who1 as he attributes no importance to pleasure himself1 denies that the man feasts well who refers everything to pleasure4 ,and yet he does not deny that ,gallonius has at times feasted as he wished3 for that would be speaking untruly3 he only denies that he has ever feasted well4 ,with such dignity and severe principle does he distinguish between pleasure and good4 ,and the natural inference is1 that all who feast well feast as they wish1 but that it does not follow that all who feast as they wish do therefore feast well4 ,llius always feasted well4 ,how so8 ,lucilius shall tell you-- ,he feasted on well season'd1 well arranged-- what8 ,what was the chief part of his supper8 ,converse of prudent men1-- ,well1 and what else8 with cheerful mind4 ,for he came to a banquet with a tranquil mind1 desirous only of appeasing the wants of nature4 ,llius then is quite right to deny that ,gallonius had ever feasted well2 he is quite right to call him miserable2 especially as he devoted the whole of his attention to that point4 ,and yet no one affirms that he did not sup as he wished4 ,why then did he not feast well8 ,because feasting well is feasting with propriety1 frugality1 and good order2 but this man was in the habit of feasting badly1 that is1 in a dissolute1 profligate1 gluttonous1 unseemly manner4 ,llius1 then1 was not preferring the flavour of sorrel to ,gallonius's sturgeon1 but merely treating the taste of the sturgeon with indifference2 which he would not have done if he had placed the chief good in pleasure4 ,,ix4 ,we must then discard pleasure1 not only in order to follow what is right1 but even to be able to talk becomingly4 ,can we then call that the chief good in life1 which we see cannot possibly be so even in a banquet8 ,but how is it that this philosopher speaks of three kinds of appetites1--some natural and necessary1 some natural but not necessary1 and others neither natural nor necessary8 ,in the first place1 he has not made a neat division2 for out of two kinds he has made three4 ,now this is not dividing1 but breaking in pieces4 ,if he had said that there are two kinds of appetites1 natural and superfluous ones1 and that the natural appetites might be also subdivided into two kinds1 necessary and not necessary1 he would have been all right4 ,and those who have learnt what he despises do usually say so4 ,for it is a vicious division to reckon a part as a genus4 ,however1 let us pass over this1 for he despises elegance in arguing2 he speaks confusedly4 ,we must submit to this as long as his sentiments are right4 ,i do not1 however1 approve1 and it is as much as ,i can do to endure1 a philosopher speaking of the necessity of setting bounds to the desires4 ,is it possible to set bounds to the desires8 ,i say that they must be banished1 eradicated by the roots4 ,for what man is there in whom appetites7#cj7 dwell1 who can deny that he may with propriety be called appetitive8 ,if so1 he will be avaricious1 though to a limited extent2 and an adulterer1 but only in moderation2 and he will be luxurious in the same manner4 ,now what sort of a philosophy is that which does not bring with it the destruction of depravity1 but is content with a moderate degree of vice8 ,although in this division ,i am altogether on his side as to the facts1 only ,i wish he would express himself better4 ,let him call these feelings the wishes of nature2 and let him keep the name of desire for other objects1 so as1 when speaking of avarice1 of intemperance1 and of the greatest vices1 to be able to indict it as it were on a capital charge4 ,however1 all this is said by him with a good deal of freedom1 and is often repeated2 and ,i do not blame him1 for it is becoming in so great a philosopher1 and one of such a great reputation1 to defend his own degrees fearlessly4 ,but still1 from the fact of his often appearing to embrace that pleasure1 7,i mean that which all nations call by this name17 with a good deal of eagerness1 he is at times in great difficulties1 so that1 if he could only pass undetected1 there is nothing so shameful that it does not seem likely that he would do it for the sake of pleasure4 ,and then1 when he has been put to the blush1 7for the power of nature is very great17 he takes refuge in denying that any addition can possibly be made to the pleasure of the man who is free from pain4 ,but that state of freedom from pain is not called pleasure4 ,i do not care1 says he1 about the name4 ,but what do you say about the thing being utterly different8--,i will find you many men1 or ,i may say an innumerable host1 not so curious nor so embarrassing as you are1 whom ,i can easily convince of whatever ,i choose4 ,why then do we hesitate to say that1 if to be free from pain is the highest degree of pleasure1 to be destitute of pleasure is the highest degree of pain8 ,because it is not pleasure which is the contrary to pain1 but the absence of pain4 ,x4 ,but this he does not see1 that it is a great proof that at the very moment when he says that if pleasure be once taken away he has no idea at all what remaining thing can be called good1 7and he follows up this assertion with the statement that he means such pleasure as is perceptible by the palate and by the ears1 and adds other things which decency ought to forbid him to mention17 he is1 like a strict and worthy philosopher1 aware that this which he calls the chief good is not even a thing which is worth desiring for its own sake1 that he himself informs us that we have no reason to wish for pleasure at all1 if we are free from pain4 ,how inconsistent are these statements6 ,if he had learnt to make correct divisions or definitions of his subject1 if he had a proper regard to the usages of speaking and the common meaning of words1 he would never have fallen into such difficulties4 ,but as it is1 you see what it is he is doing4 ,that which no one has ever called pleasure at all1 and that also which is real active pleasure1 which are two distinct things1 he makes but one4 ,for he calls them agreeable and1 as ,i may say1 sweet-tasted pleasures4 ,at times he speaks so lightly of them that you might fancy you were listening to ,marcus ,curius4 ,at times he extols them so highly that he says he cannot form even the slightest idea of what else is good--a sentiment which deserves not the reproof of a philosopher1 but the brand of the censor4 ,for vice does not confine itself to language1 but penetrates also into the manners4 ,he does not find fault with luxury provided it to be free from boundless desires and from fear4 ,while speaking in this way he appears to be fishing for disciples1 that men who wish to become debauchees may become philosophers first4 ,now1 in my opinion1 the origin of the chief good is to be sought in the first origin of living animals4 ,as soon as an animal is born it rejoices in pleasure1 and seeks it as a good2 it shuns pain as an evil4 ,and ,epicurus says that excellent decisions on the subject of the good and the evil are come to by those animals which are not yet depraved4 ,you1 too1 have laid down the same position1 and these are your own words4 ,how many errors are there in them6 ,for by reference to which kind of pleasure will a puling infant judge of the chief good2 pleasure in stability or pleasure in motion8--since1 if the gods so will1 we are learning how to speak from ,epicurus4 ,if it is from pleasure as a state1 then certainly nature desires to be exempt from evil herself2 which we grant2 if it is from pleasure in motion1 which1 however1 is what you say1 then there will be no pleasure so discreditable as to deserve to be passed over4 ,and at the same time that just-born animal you are speaking of does not begin with the highest pleasure2 which has been defined by you to consist in not being in pain4 ,however1 ,epicurus did not seek to derive this argument from infants1 or even from beasts1 which he looks upon as mirrors of nature as it were2 so as to say that they1 under the guidance of nature1 seek only this pleasure of being free from pain4 ,for this sort of pleasure cannot excite the desires of the mind2 nor has this state of freedom from pain any impulse by which it can act upon the mind4 ,therefore ,hieronymus blunders in this same thing4 ,for that pleasure only acts upon the mind which has the power of alluring the senses4 ,therefore ,epicurus always has recourse to this pleasure when wishing to prove that pleasure is sought for naturally2 because that pleasure which consists in motion both allures infants to itself1 and beasts2 and this is not done by that pleasure which is a state in which there is no other ingredient but freedom from pain4 ,how then can it be proper to say that nature begins with one kind of pleasure1 and yet to put the chief good in another8 ,,xi4 ,but as for beasts1 ,i do not consider that they can pronounce any judgment at all4 ,for although they are not depraved1 it is still possible for them to be wrong4 ,just as one stick may be bent and crooked by having been made so on purpose1 and another may be so naturally2 so the nature of beasts is not indeed depraved by evil education1 but is wrong naturally4 ,nor is it correct to say that nature excites the infant to desire pleasure1 but only to love itself and to desire to preserve itself safe and unhurt4 ,for every animal the moment that it is born loves itself1 and every part of itself1 and above all does it love its two principal parts1 namely its mind and body1 and afterwards it proceeds to love the separate parts of each4 ,for there are in the mind and also in the body some parts of especial consequence2 and as soon as it has got a slight perception of this fact1 it then begins to make distinctions1 so as to desire those things which are by nature given to it as its principal goods1 and to reject the contrary4 ,now it is a great question whether among these primary natural goods1 pleasure has any place or not4 ,but to think that there is nothing beyond pleasure1 no limbs1 no sensations1 no emotions of the mind1 no integrity of the body1 no health1 appears to me to be a token of the greatest ignorance4 ,and on this the whole question of good and evil turns4 ,now ,polemo and also ,aristotle thought those things which ,i mentioned just now the greatest of goods4 ,and from this originated that opinion of the ,old ,academy and of the ,peripatetic ,school1 which led them to say that the greatest good was to live in accordance with nature--that is to say1 to enjoy the chief good things which are given by nature1 with the accompaniment of virtue4 ,callipho added nothing to virtue except pleasure2 ,diodorus nothing except freedom from pain4 ,and all these men attach the idea of the greatest good to some one of these things which ,i have mentioned4 ,aristippus thought it was simple pleasure4 ,the ,stoics defined it to be agreeing with nature1 which they say can only be living virtuously1 living honourably4 ,and they interpret it further thus--to live with an understanding of those things which happen naturally1 selecting those which are in accordance with nature1 and rejecting the contrary4 ,so there are three definitions1 all of which exclude honesty3--one1 that of ,aristippus or ,epicurus2 the second1 that of ,hieronymus2 the third1 that of ,carneades3 three in which honesty is admitted with some qualifying additions2 those1 namely1 of ,polemo1 ,callipho1 and ,diodorus3 one single one1 of which ,zeno is the author1 which is wholly referred to what is becoming2 that is to say1 to honesty4 ,for ,pyrrho1 ,aristo1 and ,herillus1 have long since sunk into oblivion4 ,the rest have been consistent with themselves1 so as to make their ends agree with their beginnings2 so that ,aristippus has defined it to be pleasure2 ,hieronymus1 freedom from pain2 and ,carneades1 the enjoyment of what are pointed out by nature as the principal goods4 ,,xii4 ,but when ,epicurus had given pleasure the highest rank1 if he meant the same pleasure that ,aristippus did he ought to have adopted the same thing as the chief good that he did2 if he meant the same that ,hieronymus did1 he would then have been assigning the first rank to ,hieronymus's pleasure1 and not to that of ,aristippus4 ,for1 as to what he says1 that it is decided by the senses themselves that pleasure is a good and that pain is an evil1 he has attributed more weight to the senses than the laws allow them4 ,we are the judges of private actions1 but we cannot decide anything which does not legally come under the cognisance of our tribunal2 and1 in such a case1 it is to no purpose that judges are in the habit1 when they pronounce sentence1 of adding1 8if the question belongs to my jurisdiction20 for1 if the matter did not come under their jurisdiction1 this additional form of words would not any the more give validity to their decision4 ,now1 what is it that the senses are judges of8 ,whether a thing is sweet or bitter1 soft or hard1 near or far off2 whether it is standing still or moving2 whether it is square or round4 ,what sentence1 then1 will reason pronounce1 having first of all called in the aid of the knowledge of divine and human affairs1 which is properly called wisdom2 and having1 after that1 associated to itself the virtues which reason points out as the mistresses of all things1 but which you make out to be only the satellites and handmaidens of pleasures8 ,the sentence1 however1 of all these qualities1 will pronounce first of all1 respecting pleasure1 that there is no room for it2 not only no room for its being placed by itself in the rank of the chief good1 which is what we are looking for1 but no room even for its being placed in connexion even with what is honourable4 ,the same sentence will be passed upon freedom from pain2 ,carneades also will be disregarded2 nor will any definition of the chief good be approved of1 which has any close connexion with pleasure1 or freedom from pain1 or which is devoid of what is honourable4 ,and so it will leave two1 which it will consider over and over again2 for it will either lay down the maxim1 that nothing is good except what is honourable1 nothing evil except what is disgraceful2 that everything else is either of no consequence at all1 or1 at all events1 of only so much1 that it is neither to be sought after nor avoided1 but only selected or rejected2 or else1 it will prefer that which it shall perceive to be the most richly endowed with what is honourable1 and enriched1 at the same time1 with the primary good things of nature1 and with the perfection of the whole life2 and it will do so all the more clearly1 if it comes to a right understanding whether the controversy between them is one of facts1 or only of words4 ,,xiii4 ,i now1 following the authority of this man1 will do the same as he has done2 for1 as far as ,i can1 ,i will diminish the disputes1 and will regard all their simple opinions in which there is no association of virtue1 as judgments which ought to be utterly removed to a distance from philosophy4 ,first of all1 ,i will discard the principles of ,aristippus1 and of all the ,cyrenaics1--men who were not afraid to place the chief good in that pleasure which especially excited the senses with its sweetness1 disregarding that freedom from pain4 ,these men did not perceive that1 as a horse is born for galloping1 and an ox for ploughing1 and a dog for hunting1 so man1 also1 is born for two objects1 as ,aristotle says1 namely1 for understanding and for acting as if he were a kind of mortal god4 ,but1 on the other hand1 as a slow moving and languid sheep is born to feed1 and to take pleasure in propagating his species1 they fancied also that this divine animal was born for the same purposes2 than which nothing can appear to me more absurd2 and all this is in opposition to ,aristippus1 who considers that pleasure not only the highest1 but also the only one1 which all the rest of us consider as only one of the pleasures4 ,you1 however1 think differently2 but he1 as ,i have already said1 is egregiously wrong1--for neither does the figure of the human body1 nor the admirable reasoning powers of the human mind1 intimate that man was born for no other end than the mere enjoyment of pleasure2 nor must we listen to ,hieronymus1 whose chief good is the same which you sometimes1 or1 ,i might say1 too often call so1 namely1 freedom from pain2 for it does not follow1 because pain is an evil1 that to be free from that evil is sufficient for living well4 ,ennius speaks more correctly1 when he says1-- ,the man who feels no evil1 does ,enjoy too great a good4 ,let us define a happy life as consisting1 not in the repelling of evil1 but in the acquisition of good2 and let us seek to procure it1 not by doing nothing1 whether one is feeling pleasure1 as ,aristippus says1 or feeling no pain1 as ,hieronymus insists1 but by doing something1 and giving our mind to thought4 ,and all these same things may be said against that chief good which ,carneades calls such2 which he1 however1 brought forward1 not so much for the purpose of proving his position1 as of contradicting the ,stoics1 with whom he was at variance3 and this good of his is such1 that1 when added to virtue1 it appears likely to have some authority1 and to be able to perfect a happy life in a most complete manner1 and it is this that the whole of this present discussion is about2 for they who add to virtue pleasure1 which is the thing which above all others virtue thinks of small importance1 or freedom from pain1 which1 even if it be a freedom from evil1 is nevertheless not the chief good1 make use of an addition which is not very easily recommended to men in general1 and yet ,i do not understand why they do it in such a niggardly and restricted manner3 for1 as if they had to bring something to add to virtue1 first of all they add things of the least possible value2 afterwards they add things one by one1 instead of uniting everything which nature had approved of as the highest goods1 to pleasure4 ,and as all these things appeared to ,aristo and to ,pyrrho absolutely of no consequence at all1 so that they said that there was literally no difference whatever between being in a most perfect state of health1 and in a most terrible condition of disease1 people rightly enough have long ago given up arguing against them2 for1 while they insisted upon it that everything was comprised in virtue alone1 to such a degree as to deprive it of all power of making any selection of external circumstances1 and while they gave it nothing from which it could originate1 or on which it could rely1 they in reality destroyed virtue itself1 which they were professing to embrace4 ,but ,herillus1 who sought to refer everything to knowledge1 saw1 indeed1 that there was one good1 but what he saw was not the greatest possible good1 nor such an one that life could be regulated by it2 therefore1 he also has been discarded a long time ago1 for1 indeed1 there has been no one who has argued against him since ,chrysippus4 ,,xiv4 ,your school1 then1 is now the only one remaining to be combated2 for the contest with the ,academicians is an uncertain one1 for they affirm nothing1 and1 as if they despaired of arriving at any certain knowledge1 wish to follow whatever is probable4 ,but we have more trouble with ,epicurus1 because he combines two kinds of pleasure1 and because he and his friends1 and many others since1 have been advocates of that opinion2 and somehow or other1 the people1 who1 though they have the least authority1 have nevertheless the greatest power1 are on his side2 and1 unless we refute them1 all virtue1 and all reputation1 and all true glory1 must be abandoned4 ,and so1 having put aside the opinions of all the rest1 there remains a contest1 not between ,torquatus and me1 but between virtue and pleasure2 and this contest ,chrysippus1 a man of great acuteness and great industry1 is far from despising2 and he thinks that the whole question as to the chief good is at stake in this controversy3 but ,i think1 if ,i show the reality of what is honourable1 and that it is a thing to be sought for by reason of its own intrinsic excellence1 and for its own sake1 that all your arguments are at once overthrown2 therefore1 when ,i have once established what its character is1 speaking briefly1 as the time requires1 ,i shall approach all your arguments1 ,o ,torquatus1 unless my memory fails me4 ,we understand1 then1 that to be honourable which is such that1 leaving all advantage out of the question1 it can be deservedly praised by itself1 without thinking of any reward or profit derived from it4 ,and what its character is may be understood1 not so much by the definition which ,i have employed1 7although that may help in some degree17 as by the common sentiments of all men1 and by the zeal and conduct of every virtuous man2 for such do many things for this sole reason1 because they are becoming1 because they are right1 because they are honourable1 even though they do not perceive any advantage likely to result from them3 for men differ from beasts in many other things indeed1 but especially in this one particular1 that they have reason and intellect given to them by nature1 and a mind1 active1 vigorous1 revolving many things at the same time with the greatest rapidity1 and1 if ,i may so say1 sagacious to perceive the causes of things1 and their consequences and connexions1 and to use metaphors1 and to combine things which are unconnected1 and to connect the future with the present1 and to embrace in its view the whole course of a consistent life4 ,the same reason has also made man desirous of the society of men1 and inclined to agree with them by nature1 and conversation1 and custom2 so that1 setting out with affection for his friends and relations1 he proceeds further1 and unites himself in a society1 first of all of his fellow-countrymen1 and subsequently of all mortals2 and as ,plato wrote to ,archytas1 recollects that he has been born1 not for himself alone1 but for his country and his family2 so that there is but a small portion of himself left for himself4 ,and since the same nature has implanted in man a desire of ascertaining the truth1 which is most easily visible when1 being free from all cares1 we wish to know what is taking place1 even in the heavens2 led on from these beginnings we love everything that is true1 that is to say1 that is faithful1 simple1 consistent1 and we hate what is vain1 false and deceitful1 such as fraud1 perjury1 cunning and injustice4 ,the same reason has in itself something large and magnificent1 suited for command rather than for obedience2 thinking all events which can befal a man not only endurable1 but insignificant2 something lofty and sublime1 fearing nothing1 yielding to no one1 always invincible4 ,and1 when these three kinds of the honourable have been noticed1 a fourth follows1 of the same beauty and suited to the other three1 in which order and moderation exist2 and when the likeness of it to the others is perceived in the beauty and dignity of all their separate forms1 we are transported across to what is honourable in words and actions2 for1 in consequence of these three virtues which ,i have already mentioned1 a man avoids rashness1 and does not venture to injure any one by any wanton word or action1 and is afraid either to do or to say anything which may appear at all unsuited to the dignity of a man4 ,,xv4 ,here1 now1 ,o ,torquatus1 you have a picture of what is honourable completely filled in and finished2 and it is contained wholly in these four virtues which you also mentioned4 ,but your master ,epicurus says that he knows nothing whatever of it1 and does not understand what1 or what sort of quality those people assert it to be1 who profess to measure the chief good by the standard of what is honourable4 ,for if everything is referred to that1 and if they say that pleasure has no part in it1 then he says that they are talking idly1 7these are his very words17 and do not understand or see what real meaning ought to be conveyed under this word honourable2 for1 as custom has it1 he says that that alone is honourable which is accounted glorious by common report2 and that1 says he1 although it is often more pleasant than some pleasures1 still is sought for the sake of pleasure4 ,do you not see how greatly these two parties differ8 ,a noble philosopher1 by whom not only ,greece and ,italy1 but all the countries of the barbarians are influenced1 says that he does not understand what honourableness is1 if it be not in pleasure1 unless1 perchance1 it is that thing which is praised by the common conversation of the populace4 ,but my opinion is1 that this is often even dishonourable1 and that real honourableness is not called so from the circumstance of its being praised by the many1 but because it is such a thing that even if men were unacquainted with it1 or if they said nothing about it1 it would still be praiseworthy by reason of its own intrinsic beauty and excellence4 ,and so he again1 being forced to yield to the power of nature1 which is always irresistible1 says in another place what you also said a little while ago1--that a man cannot live pleasantly unless he also lives honourably4 ,now then1 what is the meaning of honourably8 does it mean the same as pleasantly8 ,if so1 this statement will come to this1 that a man cannot live honourably unless he lives honourably4 ,is it honourably according to public report8 ,therefore he affirms that a man cannot live pleasantly without he has public report in his favour4 ,what can be more shameful than for the life of a wise man to depend on the conversation of fools8 ,what is it1 then1 that in this place he understands by the word honourable8 ,certainly nothing except what can be deservedly praised for its own sake2 for if it be praised for the sake of pleasure1 then what sort of praise1 ,i should like to know1 is that which can be sought for in the shambles8 ,he is not a man1 while he places honourableness in such a rank that he affirms it to be impossible to live pleasantly without it1 to think that honourable which is popular1 and to affirm that one cannot live pleasantly without popularity2 or to understand by the word honourable anything except what is right1 and deservedly to be praised by itself and for itself1 from a regard to its own power and influence and intrinsic nature4 ,,xvi4 ,therefore1 ,torquatus1 when you said that ,epicurus asserted loudly that a man could not live pleasantly if he did not also live honourably1 and wisely1 and justly1 you appeared to me to be boasting yourself4 ,there was such energy in your words1 on account of the dignity of those things which were indicated by those words1 that you became taller1 that you rose up1 and fixed your eyes upon us as if you were giving a solemn testimony that honourableness and justice are sometimes praised by ,epicurus4 ,how becoming was it to you to use that language1 which is so necessary for philosophers1 that if they did not use it we should have no great need of philosophy at all6 ,for it is out of love for those words1 which are very seldom employed by ,epicurus--,i mean wisdom1 fortitude1 justice1 and temperance--that men of the most admirable powers of mind have betaken themselves to the study of philosophy4 8,the sense of our eyes10 says ,plato1 8is most acute in us2 but yet we do not see wisdom with them4 ,what a vehement passion for itself would it excite if it could be beheld by the eyes60 ,why so8 ,because it is so ingenious as to be able to devise pleasures in the most skilful manner4 ,why is justice extolled8 or what is it that has given rise to that old and much-worn proverb1 8,he is a man with whom you may play7#ca7 in the dark40 ,this1 though applied to only one thing1 has a very extensive application2 so that in every case we are influenced by the facts1 and not by the witness4 ,for those things which you were saying were very weak and powerless arguments1--when you urged that the wicked were tormented by their own consciences1 and also by fear of punishment1 which is either inflicted on them1 or keeps them in constant fear that it will be inflicted4 ,one ought not to imagine a man timid1 or weak in his mind1 nor a good man1 who1 whatever he has done1 keeps tormenting himself1 and dreads everything2 but rather let us fancy one1 who with great shrewdness refers everything to usefulness--an acute1 crafty1 wary man1 able with ease to devise plans for deceiving any one secretly1 without any witness1 or any one being privy to it4 ,do you think that ,i am speaking of ,lucius ,tubulus8--who1 when as prtor he had been sitting as judge upon the trial of some assassins1 took money to influence his decision so undisguisedly1 that the next year ,publius ,scvola1 being tribune of the people1 made a motion before the people1 that an inquiry should be made into the case4 ,in accordance with which decree of the people1 ,cnus ,cpio1 the consul1 was ordered by the senate to investigate the affair4 ,tubulus immediately went into banishment1 and did not dare to make any reply to the charge1 for the matter was notorious4 ,,xvii4 ,we are not1 therefore1 inquiring about a man who is merely wicked1 but about one who mingles cunning with his wickedness1 7as ,quintus ,pompeius7#cb7 did when he repudiated the treaty of ,numantia17 and yet who is not afraid of everything1 but who has rather no regard for the stings of conscience1 which it costs him no trouble at all to stifle2 for a man who is called close and secret is so far from informing against himself1 that he will even pretend to grieve at what is done wrong by another2 for what else is the meaning of the word crafty 7versutus78 ,i recollect on one occasion being present at a consultation held by ,publius ,sextilius ,rufus1 when he reported the case on which he asked advice to his friends in this manner3 ,that he had been left heir to ,quintus ,fadius ,gallus2 in whose will it had been written that he had entreated ,sextilius to take care that what he left behind him should come to his daughter4 ,sextilius denied that he had done so4 ,he could deny it with impunity1 for who was there to convict him8 ,none of us believed him2 and it was more likely that he should tell a lie whose interest it was to do so1 than he who had set down in his will that he had made the request which he ought to have made4 ,he added1 moreover1 that having sworn to comply with the ,voconian7#cc7 law1 he did not dare to violate it1 unless his friends were of a contrary opinion4 ,i myself was very young when ,i was present on this occasion1 but there were present also many men of the highest character1 not one of whom thought that more ought to be given to ,fadia than could come to her under the provisions of the ,voconian law4 ,sextilius retained a very large inheritance2 of which1 if he had followed the opinion of those men who preferred what was right and honourable to all profit and advantage1 he would never have touched a single penny4 ,do you think that he was afterwards anxious and uneasy in his mind on that account8 ,not a bit of it3 on the contrary1 he was a rich man1 owing to that inheritance1 and he rejoiced in his riches1 for he set a great value on money which was acquired not only without violating the laws1 but even by the law4 ,and money is what you also think worth seeking for1 even with great risk1 for it is the efficient cause of many and great pleasures4 ,as1 therefore1 every danger appears fit to be encountered for the sake of what is becoming and honourable1 by those who decide that what is right and honourable is to be sought for its own sake2 so the men of your school1 who measure everything by pleasure1 must encounter every danger in order to acquire great pleasures1 if any great property or any important inheritance is at stake1 since numerous pleasures are procured by money4 ,and your master ,epicurus must1 if he wishes to pursue what he himself considers the chief of all good things1 do the same that ,scipio did1 who had a prospect of great glory before him if he could compel ,annibal to return into ,africa4 ,and with this view1 what great dangers did he encounter6 for he measured the whole of his enterprise by the standard of honour1 not of pleasure4 ,and in like manner1 your wise man1 being excited by the prospect of some advantage1 will fight7#cd7 courageously1 if it should be necessary4 ,if his exploits are undiscovered1 he will rejoice2 if he is taken1 he will despise every kind of punishment1 for he will be thoroughly armed for a contempt of death1 banishment1 and even of pain1 which you indeed represent as intolerable when you hold it out to wicked men as a punishment1 but as endurable when you argue that a wise man has always more good than evil in his fortune4 ,,xviii4 ,but picture to yourself a man not only cunning1 so as to be prepared to act dishonestly in any circumstances that may arise1 but also exceedingly powerful2 as1 for instance1 ,marcus ,crassus was1 who1 however1 always exercised his own natural good disposition2 or as at this day our friend ,pompeius is1 to whom we ought to feel grateful for his virtuous conduct2 for1 although he is inclined to act justly1 he could be unjust with perfect impunity4 ,but how many unjust actions can be committed which nevertheless no one could find any ground for attacking6 ,suppose your friend1 when dying1 has entreated you to restore his inheritance to his daughter1 and yet has never set it down in his will1 as ,fadius did1 and has never mentioned to any one that he has done so1 what will you do8 ,you indeed will restore it4 ,perhaps ,epicurus himself would have restored it2 just as ,sextus ,peducus the son of ,sextus did2 he who has left behind him a son1 our intimate friend1 a living image of his own virtue and honesty1 a learned person1 and the most virtuous and upright of all men2 for he1 though no one was aware that he had been entreated by ,caius ,plotius1 a ,roman knight of high character and great fortune1 of the district of ,nursia1 to do so1 came of his own accord to his widow1 and1 though she had no notion of the fact1 detailed to her the commission which he had received from her husband1 and made over the inheritance to her4 ,but ,i ask you 7since you would certainly have acted in the same manner yourself71 do you not understand that the power of nature is all the greater1 inasmuch as you yourselves1 who refer everything to your own advantage1 and1 as you yourselves say1 to pleasure1 still perform actions from which it is evident that you are guided not by pleasure1 but by principles of duty1 and that your own upright nature has more influence over you than any vicious reasoning8 ,if you knew1 says ,carneades1 that a snake was lying hid in any place1 and that some one was going ignorantly to sit down upon it whose death would bring you some advantage1 you would be acting wickedly if you did not warn him not to sit down there2 and yet you could not be punished1 for who could possibly convict you8 ,however1 ,i am dwelling too long on this point2 for it is evident1 unless equity1 good faith and justice proceed from nature1 and if all these things are referred to advantage1 that a good man cannot possibly be found4 ,but on this subject we have put a sufficient number of arguments into the mouth of ,llius1 in our books on a ,republic4 ,,xix4 ,now apply the same arguments to modesty1 or temperance1 which is a moderation of the appetites1 in subordination to reason4 ,can we say that a man pays sufficient regard to the dictates of modesty1 who indulges his lusts in such a manner as to have no witnesses of his conduct8 or is there anything which is intrinsically flagitious1 even if no loss of reputation ensues8 ,what do brave men do8 ,do they enter into an exact calculation of pleasure1 and so enter the battle1 and shed their blood for their country8 or are they excited rather by a certain ardour and impetuosity of courage8 ,do you think1 ,o ,torquatus1 that that imperious ancestor of yours1 if he could hear what we are now saying1 would rather listen to your sentiments concerning him1 or to mine1 when ,i said that he had done nothing for his own sake1 but everything for that of the republic2 and you1 on the contrary1 affirm that he did nothing except with a view to his own advantage8 ,but if you were to wish to explain yourself further1 and were to say openly that he did nothing except for the sake of pleasure1 how do you think that he would bear such an assertion8 ,be it so4 ,let ,torquatus1 if you will1 have acted solely with a view to his own advantage1 for ,i would rather employ that expression than pleasure1 especially when speaking of so eminent a man1--did his colleague too1 ,publius ,decius1 the first man who ever was consul in that family1 did he1 ,i say1 when he was devoting himself1 and rushing at the full speed of his horse into the middle of the army of the ,latins1 think at all of his own pleasures8 ,for where or when was he to find any1 when he knew that he should perish immediately1 and when he was seeking that death with more eager zeal than ,epicurus thinks even pleasure deserving to be sought with8 ,and unless this exploit of his had been deservedly extolled1 his son would not have imitated it in his fourth consulship2 nor1 again1 would his son1 when fighting against ,pyrrhus1 have fallen in battle when he was consul1 and so offered himself up for the sake of the republic as a third victim in an uninterrupted succession from the same family4 ,i will forbear giving any more examples4 ,i might get a few from the ,greeks1 such as ,leonidas1 ,epaminondas1 and three or four more perhaps4 ,and if ,i were to begin hunting up our own annals for such instances1 ,i should soon establish my point1 and compel ,pleasure to give herself up1 bound hand and foot1 to virtue4 ,but the day would be too short for me4 ,and as ,aulus ,varius1 who was considered a rather severe judge1 was in the habit of saying to his colleague1 when1 after some witnesses had been produced1 others were still being summoned1 8,either we have had witnesses enough1 or ,i do not know what is enough20 so ,i think that ,i have now brought forward witnesses enough4 ,for1 what will you say8 ,was it pleasure that worked upon you1 a man thoroughly worthy of your ancestors1 while still a young man1 to rob ,publius ,sylla of the consulship8 ,and when you had succeeded in procuring it for your father1 a most gallant man1 what a consul did he prove1 and what a citizen at all times1 and most especially after his consulship6 ,and1 indeed1 it was by his advice that we ourselves behaved in such a manner as to consult the advantage of the whole body of the citizens rather than our own4 ,but how admirably did you seem to speak1 when on the one side you drew a picture of a man loaded with the most numerous and excessive pleasures1 with no pain1 either present or future2 and on the other1 of a man surrounded with the greatest torments affecting his whole body1 with no pleasure1 either present or hoped for2 and asked who could be more miserable than the one1 or more happy than the other8 and then concluded1 that pain was the greatest evil1 and pleasure the greatest good4 ,,xx4 ,there was a man of ,lanuvium1 called ,lucius ,thorius ,balbus1 whom you cannot remember2 he lived in such a way that no pleasure could be imagined so exquisite1 that he had not a superfluity of it4 ,he was greedy of pleasure1 a critical judge of every species of it1 and very rich4 ,so far removed from all superstition1 as to despise the numerous sacrifices which take place1 and temples which exist in his country2 so far from fearing death1 that he was slain in battle fighting for the republic4 ,he bounded his appetites1 not according to the division of ,epicurus1 but by his own feelings of satiety4 ,he took sufficient exercise always to come to supper both thirsty and hungry4 ,he ate such food as was at the same time nicest in taste and most easy of digestion2 and selected such wine as gave him pleasure1 and was1 at the same time1 free from hurtful qualities4 ,he had all those other means and appliances which ,epicurus thinks so necessary1 that he says that if they are denied1 he cannot understand what is good4 ,he was free from every sort of pain2 and if he had felt any1 he would not have borne it impatiently1 though he would have been more inclined to consult a physician than a philosopher4 ,he was a man of a beautiful complexion1 of perfect health1 of the greatest influence1 in short1 his whole life was one uninterrupted scene of every possible variety of pleasures4 ,now1 you call this man happy4 ,your principles compel you to do so4 ,but as for me1 ,i will not1 indeed1 venture to name the man whom ,i prefer to him--,virtue herself shall speak for me1 and she will not hesitate to rank ,marcus ,regulus before this happy man of yours4 ,for ,virtue asserts loudly that this man1 when1 of his own accord1 under no compulsion1 except that of the pledge which he had given to the enemy1 he had returned to ,carthage1 was1 at the very moment when he was being tortured with sleeplessness and hunger1 more happy than ,thorius while drinking on a bed of roses4 ,regulus had had the conduct of great wars2 he had been twice consul2 he had had a triumph2 and yet he did not think those previous exploits of his so great or so glorious as that last misfortune which he incurred1 because of his own good faith and constancy2 a misfortune which appears pitiable to us who hear of it1 but was actually pleasant to him who endured it4 ,for men are happy1 not because of hilarity1 or lasciviousness1 or laughter1 or jesting1 the companion of levity1 but often even through sorrow endured with firmness and constancy4 ,lucretia1 having been ravished by force by the king's son1 called her fellow-citizens to witness1 and slew herself4 ,this grief of hers1 ,brutus being the leader and mover of the ,roman people1 was the cause of liberty to the whole state4 ,and out of regard for the memory of that woman1 her husband and her father were made consuls7#ce7 the first year of the republic4 ,lucius ,virginius1 a man of small property and one of the people1 sixty years after the reestablishment of liberty1 slew his virgin daughter with his own hand1 rather than allow her to be surrendered to the lust of ,appius ,claudius1 who was at that time invested with the supreme power4 ,,xxi4 ,now you1 ,o ,torquatus1 must either blame all these actions1 or else you must abandon the defence of pleasure4 ,and what a cause is that1 and what a task does the man undertake who comes forward as the advocate of pleasure1 who is unable to call any one illustrious man as evidence in her favour or as a witness to her character8 ,for as we have awakened those men from the records of our annals as witnesses1 whose whole life has been consumed in glorious labours2 men who cannot bear to hear the very name of pleasure3 so on your side of the argument history is dumb4 ,i have never heard of ,lycurgus1 or ,solon1 ,miltiades1 or ,themistocles1 or ,epaminondas being mentioned in the school of ,epicurus2 men whose names are constantly in the mouth of all the other philosophers4 ,but now1 since we have begun to deal with this part of the question1 our friend ,atticus1 out of his treasures1 will supply us with the names of as many great men as may be sufficient for us to bring forward as witnesses4 ,is it not better to say a little of these men1 than so many volumes about ,themista87#cf7 ,let these things be confined to the ,greeks3 although we have derived philosophy and all the liberal sciences from them1 still there are things which may be allowable for them to do1 but not for us4 ,the ,stoics are at variance with the ,peripatetics4 ,one sect denies that anything is good which is not also honourable3 the other asserts that it allows great weight1 indeed1 by far the most weight1 to what is honourable1 but still affirms that there are in the body also1 and around the body1 certain positive goods4 ,it is an honourable contest and a splendid discussion4 ,for the whole question is about the dignity of virtue4 ,but when one is arguing with philosophers of your school1 one is forced to hear a great deal about even the obscure pleasures which ,epicurus himself continually mentions4 ,you cannot then1 ,torquatus1 believe me1 you cannot uphold those principles1 if you examine into yourself1 and your own thoughts and studies4 ,you will1 ,i say1 be ashamed of that picture which ,cleanthes was in the habit of drawing with such accuracy in his description4 ,he used to desire those who came to him as his pupils1 to think of ,pleasure painted in a picture1 clad in beautiful robes1 with royal ornaments1 and sitting on a throne4 ,he represented all the ,virtues around her1 as her handmaidens1 doing nothing else1 and thinking nothing else their duty1 but to minister to ,pleasure1 and only just to whisper in her ear 7if1 indeed1 that could be made intelligible in a picture7 a warning to be on her guard to do nothing imprudent1 nothing to offend the minds of men1 nothing from which any pain could ensue4 ,we1 indeed1 they would say1 we ,virtues are only born to act as your slaves2 we have no other business4 ,,xxii4 ,but ,epicurus 7for this is your great point7 denies that any man who does not live honourably can live agreeably2 as if ,i cared what he denies or what he affirms4 ,what ,i inquire is1 what it is consistent for that man to say who places the chief good in pleasure4 ,what reason do you allege why ,thorius1 why ,chius1 why ,postumius1 why the master of all these men1 ,orata1 did not live most agreeably8 ,he himself1 as ,i have already said1 asserts that the life of men devoted to luxury is not deserving of blame1 unless they are absolute fools1 that is to say1 unless they abandon themselves to become slaves to their desires or to their fears4 ,and when he promises them a remedy for both these things1 he1 in so doing1 offers them a licence for luxury4 ,for if you take away these things1 then he says that he cannot find anything in the life of debauched men which deserves blame4 ,you then1 who regulate everything by the standard of pleasure1 cannot either defend or maintain virtue4 ,for he does not deserve to be accounted a virtuous or a just man who abstains from injustice in order to avoid suffering evil4 ,you know the line1 ,i suppose-- ,he's not a pious man whom fear constrains ,to acts of piety 444 a man-- ,and nothing can be more true4 ,for a man is not just while he is in a state of alarm4 ,and certainly when he ceases to be in fear1 he will not be just4 ,but he will not be afraid if he is able to conceal his actions1 or if he is able1 by means of his great riches and power1 to support what he has done4 ,and he will certainly prefer being regarded as a good man1 though he is not one1 to being a good man and not being thought one4 ,and so1 beyond all question1 instead of genuine and active justice1 you give us only an effigy of justice1 and you teach us1 as it were1 to disregard our own unvarying conscience1 and to go hunting after the fleeting vagabond opinions of others4 ,and the same may be said of the other virtues also2 the foundation of all which you place in pleasure1 which is like building on water4 ,for what are we to say8 ,can we call that same ,torquatus a brave man8 ,for ,i am delighted1 though ,i cannot1 as you say1 bribe you2 ,i am delighted with your family and with your name4 ,and1 in truth1 ,i have before my eyes ,aulus ,torquatus17#cg7 a most excellent man1 and one greatly attached to me2 and both of you must certainly be aware how great and how eminent his zeal in my behalf was in those times which are well known to every one4 ,and that conduct of his would not have been delightful to me1 who wish both to be1 and to be considered1 grateful1 if ,i did not see clearly that he was friendly to me for my own sake1 not for his own2 unless1 indeed1 you say1 it was for his own sake1 because it is for the interest of every one to act rightly4 ,if you say that1 we have gained our point4 ,for what we are aiming at1 what we are contending for1 is1 that duty itself is the reward of duty4 ,but that master of yours will not admit this1 and requires pleasure to result from every action as a sort of wages4 ,however1 ,i return to him4 ,if it was for the sake of pleasure that ,torquatus1 when challenged1 fought with the ,gaul on the ,anio1 and out of his spoils took his chain and earned his surname1 or if it was for any other reason but that he thought such exploits worthy of a man1 then ,i do not account him brave4 ,and1 indeed1 if modesty1 and decency1 and chastity1 and1 in one word1 temperance1 is only upheld by the fear of punishment or infamy1 and not out of regard to their own sanctity1 then what lengths will adultery and debauchery and lust shrink from proceeding to1 if there is a hope either of escaping detection1 or of obtaining impunity or licence8 ,what shall ,i say more8 ,what is your idea1 ,o ,torquatus1 of this8--that you1 a man of your name1 of your abilities1 of your high reputation1 should not dare to allege in a public assembly what you do1 what you think1 what you contend for1 the standard to which you refer everything1 the object for the sake of which you wish to accomplish what you attempt1 and what you think best in life4 ,for what can you claim to deserve1 when you have entered upon your magistracy1 and come forward to the assembly1 7for then you will have to announce what principles you intend to observe in administering the law1 and perhaps1 too1 if you think fit1 you will1 as is the ancient custom1 say something about your ancestors and yourself17--what1 ,i say1 can you claim as your just desert1 if you say that in that magistracy you will do everything for the sake of pleasure8 and that you have never done anything all your life except with a view to pleasure8 ,do you think1 say you1 that ,i am so mad as to speak in that way before ignorant people8 ,well1 say it then in the court of justice1 or if you are afraid of the surrounding audience1 say it in the senate3 you will never do so4 ,why not1 except that such language is disgraceful8 ,do you then think ,triarius and me fit people for you to speak before in a disgraceful manner8 ,,xxiii4 ,however1 be it so4 ,the name of pleasure certainly has no dignity in it1 and perhaps we do not exactly understand what is meant by it2 for you are constantly saying that we do not understand what you mean by the word pleasure3 no doubt it is a very difficult and obscure matter4 ,when you speak of atoms1 and spaces between worlds1 things which do not exist1 and which cannot possibly exist1 then we understand you2 and cannot we understand what pleasure is1 a thing which is known to every sparrow8 ,what will you say if ,i compel you to confess that ,i not only do know what pleasure is 7for it is a pleasant emotion affecting the senses71 but also what you mean by the word8 ,for at one time you mean by the word the very same thing which ,i have just said1 and you give it the description of consisting in motion1 and of causing some variety3 at another time you speak of some other highest pleasure1 which is susceptible of no addition whatever1 but that it is present when every sort of pain is absent1 and you call it then a state1 not a motion3 let that1 then1 be pleasure4 ,say1 in any assembly you please1 that you do everything with a view to avoid suffering pain3 if you do not think that even this language is sufficiently dignified1 or sufficiently honourable1 say that you will do everything during your year of office1 and during your whole life1 for the sake of your own advantage2 that you will do nothing except what is profitable to yourself1 nothing which is not prompted by a view to your own interest4 ,what an uproar do you not suppose such a declaration would excite in the assembly1 and what hope do you think you would have of the consulship which is ready for you8 ,and can you follow these principles1 which1 when by yourself1 or in conversation with your dearest friends1 you do not dare to profess and avow openly8 ,but you have those maxims constantly in your mouth which the ,peripatetics and ,stoics profess4 ,in the courts of justice and in the senate you speak of duty1 equity1 dignity1 good faith1 uprightness1 honourable actions1 conduct worthy of power1 worthy of the ,roman people2 you talk of encountering every imaginable danger in the cause of the republic--of dying for one's country4 ,when you speak in this manner we are all amazed1 like a pack of blockheads1 and you are laughing in your sleeve3 for1 among all those high-sounding and admirable expressions1 pleasure has no place1 not only that pleasure which you say consists in motion1 and which all men1 whether living in cities or in the country1 all men1 in short1 who speak ,latin1 call pleasure1 but even that stationary pleasure1 which no one but your sect calls pleasure at all4 ,,xxiv4 ,take care lest you find yourselves obliged to use our language1 though adhering to your own opinions4 ,but if you were to put on a feigned countenance or gait1 with the object of appearing more dignified1 you would not then be like yourself2 and yet are you to use fictitious language1 and to say things which you do not think1 or1 as you have one dress to wear at home1 and another in which you appear in court1 are you to disguise your opinions in a similar manner1 so as to make a parade with your countenance1 while you are keeping the truth hidden within8 ,consider1 ,i intreat you1 whether this is proper4 ,my opinion is that those are genuine sentiments which are honourable1 which are praiseworthy1 which are creditable2 which a man is not ashamed to avow in the senate1 before the people1 in every company and every assembly1 so that he will be ashamed to think what he is ashamed to say4 ,but what room can there be for friendship1 or who can be a friend to any one whom he does not love for his own sake8 ,and what is loving1 from which verb 7amo7 the very name of friendship 7amicitia7 is derived1 but wishing a certain person to enjoy the greatest possible good fortune1 even if none of it accrues to oneself8 ,still1 you say1 it is a good thing for me to be of such a disposition4 ,perhaps it may be so2 but you cannot be so if it is not really your disposition2 and how can you be so unless love itself has seized hold of you8 which is not usually generated by any accurate computation of advantage1 but is self-produced1 and born spontaneously from itself4 ,but1 you will say1 ,i am guided by prospects of advantage4 ,friendship1 then1 will remain just as long as any advantage ensues from it2 and if it be a principle of advantage which is the foundation of friendship1 the same will be its destruction4 ,but what will you do1 if1 as is often the case1 advantage takes the opposite side to friendship8 ,will you abandon it8 what sort of friendship is that8 ,will you preserve it8 how will that be expedient for you8 ,for you see what the rules are which you lay down respecting friendship which is desirable only for the sake of one's own advantage3--,i must take care that ,i do not incur odium if ,i cease to uphold my friend4 ,now1 in the first place1 why should such conduct incur odium1 except because it is disgraceful8 ,but1 if you will not desert your friend lest you should incur any disadvantage from so doing1 still you will wish that he was dead1 to release you from being bound to a man from whom you get no advantage4 ,but suppose he not only brings you no advantage1 but you even incur loss of property for his sake1 and have to undertake labours1 and to encounter danger of your life2 will you not1 even then1 show some regard for yourself1 and recollect that every one is born for himself and for his own pleasures8 ,will you go bail to a tyrant for your friend in a case which may affect your life1 as that ,pythagorean7#ch7 did when he became surety to the ,tyrant of ,sicily8 or1 when you are ,pylades1 will you affirm that you are ,orestes1 that you may die for your friend8 or1 if you were ,orestes1 would you contradict ,pylades1 and give yourself up8 and1 if you could not succeed then1 would you intreat that you might be both put to death together8 ,,xxv4 ,you1 indeed1 ,o ,torquatus1 would do all these things4 ,for ,i do not think that there is anything deserving of great praise1 which you would be likely to shrink from out of fear of death or pain3 nor is it the question what is consistent with your nature1 but with the doctrines of your school--that philosophy which you defend1 those precepts which you have learnt1 and which you profess to approve of1 utterly overthrow friendship--even though ,epicurus should1 as indeed he does1 extol it to the skies4 ,oh1 you will say1 but he himself cultivated friendship4 ,as if any one denied that he was a good1 and courteous1 and kind-hearted man2 the question in these discussions turns on his genius1 and not on his morals4 ,grant that there is such perversity in the levity of the ,greeks1 who attack those men with evil speaking with whom they disagree as to the truth of a proposition4 ,but1 although he may have been courteous in maintaining friendships1 still1 if all this is true1 7for ,i do not affirm anything myself71 he was not a very acute arguer4 ,oh1 but he convinced many people4 ,and perhaps it was quite right that he should2 still1 the testimony of the multitude is not of the greatest possible weight2 for in every art1 or study1 or science1 as in virtue itself1 whatever is most excellent is also most rare4 ,and to me1 indeed1 the very fact of he himself having been a good man1 and of many ,epicureans having also been such1 and being to this day faithful in their friendships1 and consistent throughout their whole lives1 and men of dignified conduct1 regulating their lives1 not by pleasure1 but by their duty1 appears to show that the power of what is honourable is greater1 and that of pleasure smaller4 ,for some men live in such a manner that their language is refuted by their lives2 and as others are considered to speak better than they act1 so these men seem to me to act better than they speak4 ,,xxvi4 ,however1 all this is nothing to the purpose4 ,let us just consider those things which have been said by you about friendship1 and among them ,i fancied that ,i recognized one thing as having been said by ,epicurus himself1 namely1 that friendship cannot be separated from pleasure1 and that it ought on that account to be cultivated1 because without it men could not live in safety1 and without fear1 nor even with any kind of pleasantness4 ,answer enough has been given to this argument4 ,you also brought forward another more humane one1 invented by these more modern philosophers1 and never1 as far as ,i know1 advanced by the master himself1 that at first1 indeed1 a friend is sought out with a view to one's own advantage1 but that when intimacy has sprung up1 then the man is loved for himself1 all hope or idea of pleasure being put out of the question4 ,now1 although this argument is open to attack on many accounts1 still ,i will accept what they grant2 for it is enough for me1 though not enough for them3 for they admit that it is possible for men to act rightly at times1 without any expectation of1 or desire to acquire pleasure4 ,you also affirmed that some people say that wise men make a kind of treaty among themselves1 that they shall have the same feelings towards their friends that they entertain for themselves1 and that that is possible1 and is often the case1 and that it has especial reference to the enjoyment of pleasures4 ,if they could make this treaty1 they at the same time make that other to love equity1 moderation1 and all the virtues for their own sake1 without any consideration of advantage4 ,but if we cultivate friendships for the sake of their profits1 emoluments1 and advantages which may be derived from them1 if there is to be no affection which may make the friendship desirable for its own sake1 on its own account1 by its own influences1 by itself and for itself1 is there any doubt at all that in such a case we must prefer our farms and estates to our friends8 ,and here you may again quote those panegyrics which have been uttered in most eloquent language by ,epicurus himself1 on the subject of friendship4 ,i am not asking what he says1 but what he can possibly say which shall be consistent with his own system and sentiments4 ,friendship has been sought for the sake of advantage2 do you1 then1 think that my friend ,triarius1 here1 will be more useful to you than your granaries at ,puteol8 ,think of all the circumstances which you are in the habit of recollecting2 the protection which friends are to a man4 ,you have sufficient protection in yourself1 sufficient in the laws1 sufficient also in moderate friendships4 ,as it is1 you cannot be looked upon with contempt2 but you will easily avoid odium and unpopularity1 for precepts on that subject are given by ,epicurus4 ,and yet you1 by employing such large revenues in purposes of liberality1 even without any ,pyladean friendship1 will admirably defend and protect yourself by the goodwill of numbers4 ,but with whom1 then1 is a man to share his jests1 his serious thoughts1 as people say1 and all his secrets and hidden wishes8 ,with you1 above all men2 but if that cannot be1 why with some tolerably intimate friend4 ,however1 grant that all these circumstances are not unreasonable2 what comparison can there be between them and the utility of such large sums of money8 ,you see1 then1 if you measure friendship by the affection which it engenders1 that nothing is more excellent2 if by the advantage that is derived from it1 then you see that the closest intimacies are surpassed by the value of a productive farm4 ,you must therefore love me1 myself1 and not my circumstances1 if we are to be real friends4 ,,xxvii4 ,but we are getting too prolix in the most self-evident matters2 for1 as it has been concluded and established that there is no room anywhere for either virtues or friendships if everything is referred to pleasure1 there is nothing more which it is of any great importance should be said4 ,and yet1 that ,i may not appear to have passed over any topic without a reply1 ,i will1 even now1 say a few words on the remainder of your argument4 ,since1 then1 the whole sum of philosophy is directed to ensure living happily1 and since men1 from a desire of this one thing1 have devoted themselves to this study2 but different people make happiness of life to consist in different circumstances2 you1 for instance1 place it in pleasure2 and1 in the same manner you1 on the other hand1 make all unhappiness to consist in pain3 let us consider1 in the first place1 what sort of thing this happy life of yours is4 ,but you will grant this1 ,i think1 that if there is really any such thing as happiness1 it ought to be wholly in the power of a wise man to secure it2 for1 if a happy life can be lost1 it cannot be happy4 ,for who can feel confident that a thing will always remain firm and enduring in his case1 which is in reality fleeting and perishable8 ,but the man who distrusts the permanence of his good things1 must necessarily fear that some day or other1 when he has lost them1 he will become miserable2 and no man can be happy who is in fear about most important matters4 ,no one1 then1 can be happy2 for a happy life is usually called so1 not in some part only1 but in perpetuity of time2 and1 in fact1 life is not said to be happy at all till it is completed and finished4 ,nor is it possible for any man to be sometimes happy and sometimes miserable2 for he who thinks it possible that he may become miserable1 is certainly not happy4 ,for1 when a happy life is once attained1 it remains as long as the maker of the happy life herself1 namely1 wisdom2 nor does it wait till the last period of a man's existence1 as ,herodotus says that ,crsus was warned by ,solon4 ,but1 as you yourself were saying1 ,epicurus denies that length of time has any influence on making life happy1 and that no less pleasure can be felt in a short time than would be the case if the pleasure were everlasting4 ,now these statements are most inconsistent4 ,for1 when he places the chief good in pleasure1 he denies that pleasure can be greater in infinite time1 than it can in a finite and moderate period4 ,the man who places all good in virtue1 has it in his power to say that a happy life is made so by the perfection of virtue2 for he consistently denies that time can bring any increase to his chief good4 ,but he who thinks that life is made happy by pleasure1 must surely be inconsistent with himself if he denies that pleasure is increased by length of time3 if so1 then pain is not either4 ,shall we1 then1 say that all pain is most miserable in proportion as it is most lasting1 and yet that duration does not make pleasure more desirable8 ,why1 then1 is it that ,epicurus always speaks of ,god as happy and eternal8 ,for1 if you only take away his eternity1 ,jupiter is in no respect more happy than ,epicurus2 for each of them is in the enjoyment of the chief good1 namely1 pleasure4 ,oh1 but ,epicurus is also liable to pain4 ,that does not affect him at all2 for he says that if he were being burnt1 he would say1 8,how pleasant it is40 ,in what respect1 then1 is he surpassed by the ,god1 if he is not surpassed by him because of his eternity8 ,for what good has the ,god1 except the highest degree of pleasure1 and that1 too1 everlasting6 ,what1 then1 is the good of speaking so pompously1 if one does not speak consistently8 ,happiness of life is placed in pleasure of body1 7,i will add of mind also1 if you please1 as long as that pleasure of the mind is derived from the pleasure of the body47 ,what8 who can secure this pleasure to a wise man in perpetuity8 ,for the circumstances by which pleasures are generated are not in the power of a wise man2 for happiness does not consist in wisdom itself1 but in those things which wisdom provides for the production of pleasure4 ,and all these circumstances are external2 and what is external is liable to accident4 ,and thus fortune is made the mistress of happiness in life1--,fortune1 which1 ,epicurus says1 has but little to do with a wise man4 ,,xxviii4 ,but you will say1 ,come1 these things are trifles4 ,nature by herself enriches the wise man2 and1 indeed1 ,epicurus has taught us that the riches of nature are such as can be acquired4 ,this is well said1 and ,i do not object to it2 but still these same assertions are inconsistent with one another4 ,for ,epicurus denies there is less pleasure derived from the poorest food1 from the most despised kinds of meat and drink1 than from feasting on the most delicious dishes4 ,now if he were to assert that it makes no difference as to the happiness of life what food a man ate1 ,i would grant it1 ,i would even praise him for saying so2 for he would be speaking the truth2 and ,i know that ,socrates1 who ranked pleasure as nothing at all1 said the same thing1 namely1 that hunger was the best seasoning for meat1 and thirst for drink4 ,but ,i do not comprehend how a man who refers everything to pleasure1 lives like ,gallonius1 and yet talks like that great man ,frugi ,piso2 nor1 indeed1 do ,i believe that what he says is his real opinion4 ,he has said that natural riches can be acquired1 because nature is contented with a little4 ,certainly1 unless you estimate pleasure at a great value4 ,no less pleasure1 says he1 is derived from the most ordinary things than from the most valuable4 ,now to say this1 is not only not to have a heart1 but not to have even a palate4 ,for they who despise pleasure itself1 may be allowed to say that they do not prefer a sturgeon to a herring4 ,but the man who places his chief good in pleasure1 must judge of everything by his sensations1 not by his reason1 and must pronounce those things best which are most pleasant4 ,however1 be it so4 ,let him acquire the greatest possible pleasures1 not only at a cheap rate1 but1 as far as ,i am concerned1 for nothing at all1 if he can manage it4 ,let there be no less pleasure in eating a nasturtium1 which ,xenophon tells us the ,persians used to eat1 than in those ,syracusan banquets which are so severely blamed by ,plato4 ,let1 ,i say1 the acquisition of pleasure be as easy as you say it is4 ,what shall we say of pain8 the torments of which are so great that1 if at least pain is the greatest of evils1 a happy life cannot possibly exist in company with it4 ,for ,metrodorus himself1 who is almost a second ,epicurus1 describes a happy man in these words4 ,when his body is in good order1 and when he is quite certain that it it will be so for the future4 ,is it possible for any one to be certain in what condition his body will be1 ,i do not say a year hence1 but even this evening8 ,pain1 therefore1 which is the greatest of evils1 will always be dreaded even if it is not present4 ,for it will always be possible that it may be present4 ,but how can any fear of the greatest possible evil exist in a happy life8 ,oh1 says he1 ,epicurus has handed down maxims according to which we may disregard pain4 ,surely1 it is an absurdity to suppose that the greatest possible evil can be disregarded4 ,however1 what is the maxim8 ,the greatest pain1 says he1 is short-lived4 ,now1 first of all1 what do you call short-lived8 ,and1 secondly1 what do you call the greatest pain8 ,for what do you mean8 ,cannot extreme pain last for many days8 ,aye1 and for many months8 ,unless1 indeed1 you intend to assert that you mean such pain as kills a man the moment it seizes on him4 ,who is afraid of that pain8 ,i would rather you would lessen that pain by which ,i have seen that most excellent and kind-hearted man1 ,cnus ,octavius1 the son of ,marcus ,octavius1 my own intimate friend1 worn out1 and that not once1 or for a short time1 but very often1 and for a long period at once4 ,what agonies1 ,o ye immortal gods1 did that man use to bear1 when all his limbs seemed as if they were on fire4 ,and yet he did not appear to be miserable1 7because in truth pain was not the greatest of evils17 but only afflicted4 ,but if he had been immersed in continued pleasure1 passing at the same time a vicious and infamous life1 then he would have been miserable4 ,,xxix4 ,but when you say that great pains last but a short time1 and that if they last long they are always light1 ,i do not understand the meaning of your assertion4 ,for ,i see that some pains are very great1 and also very durable4 ,and there is a better principle which may enable one to endure them1 which however you cannot adopt1 who do not love what is honourable for its own sake4 ,there are some precepts for1 and ,i may almost say laws of1 fortitude1 which forbid a man to behave effeminately in pain4 ,wherefore it should be accounted disgraceful1 ,i do not say to grieve1 7for that is at times unavoidable17 but to make those rocks of ,lemnos melancholy with such outcries as those of ,philoctetes-- ,who utters many a tearful note aloud1 ,with ceaseless groaning1 howling1 and complaint4 ,now let ,epicurus1 if he can1 put himself in the place of that man-- ,whose veins and entrails thus are racked with pain ,and horrid agony1 while the serpent's bite ,spreads its black venom through his shuddering frame4 ,let ,epicurus become ,philoctetes4 ,if his pain is sharp it is short4 ,but in fact he has been lying in his cave for ten years4 ,if it lasts long it is light1 for it grants him intervals of relaxation4 ,in the first place it does not do so often2 and in the second place what sort of relaxation is it when the memory of past agony is still fresh1 and the fear of further agony coming and impending is constantly tormenting him4 ,let him die1 says he4 ,perhaps that would be the best thing for him2 but then what becomes of the argument1 that the wise man has always more pleasure than pain8 ,for if that be the case ,i would have you think whether you are not recommending him a crime1 when you advise him to die4 ,say to him rather1 that it is a disgraceful thing for a man to allow his spirit to be crushed and broken by pain1 that it is shameful to yield to it4 ,for as for your maxim1 if it is violent it is short1 if it lasts long it is slight1 that is mere empty verbiage4 ,the only real way to mitigate pain is by the application of virtue1 of magnanimity1 of patience1 of courage4 ,,xxx4 ,listen1 that ,i may not make too wide a digression1 to the words of ,epicurus when dying2 and take notice how inconsistent his conduct is with his language4 8,epicurus to ,hermarchus greeting4 ,i write this letter10 says he1 8while passing a happy day1 which is also the last day of my life4 ,and the pains of my bladder and bowels are so intense that nothing can be added to them which can make them greater40 ,here is a man miserable1 if pain is the greatest possible evil4 ,it cannot possibly be denied4 ,however1 let us see how he proceeds4 8,but still ,i have to balance this a joy in my mind1 which ,i derive from the recollection of my philosophical principles and discoveries4 ,but do you1 as becomes the goodwill which from your youth upwards you have constantly discovered for me and for philosophy1 protect the children of ,metrodorus40 ,after reading this1 ,i do not consider the death of ,epaminondas or ,leonidas preferable to his4 ,one of whom defeated the ,lacedmonians at ,mantinea17#ci7 and finding that he had been rendered insensible by a mortal wound1 when he first came to himself1 asked whether his shield was safe8 ,when his weeping friends had answered him that it was1 he then asked whether the enemy was defeated8 ,and when he received to this question also the answer which he wished1 he then ordered the spear which was sticking in him to be pulled out4 ,and so1 losing quantities of blood1 he died in the hour of joy and victory4 ,but ,leonidas1 the king of the ,lacedmonians1 put himself and those three hundred men1 whom he had led from ,sparta1 in the way of the enemy of ,thermopyl17#dj7 when the alternative was a base flight1 or a glorious death4 ,the deaths of generals are glorious1 but philosophers usually die in their beds4 ,but still ,epicurus here mentions what1 when dying1 he considered great credit to himself4 8,i have10 says he1 8a joy to counterbalance these pains40 ,i recognise in these words1 ,o ,epicurus1 the sentiments of a philosopher1 but still you forgot what you ought to have said4 ,for1 in the first place1 if those things be true1 in the recollection of which you say you rejoice1 that is to say1 if your writings and discoveries are true1 then you cannot rejoice4 ,for you have no pleasure here which you can refer to the body4 ,but you have constantly asserted that no one ever feels joy or pain except with reference to his body4 8,i rejoice10 says he1 8in the past40 ,in what that is past8 ,if you mean such past things as refer to the body1 then ,i see that you are counterbalancing your agonies with your reason1 and not with your recollection of pleasures which you have felt in the body4 ,but if you are referring to your mind1 then your denial of there being any joy of the mind which cannot be referred to some pleasure of the body1 must be false4 ,why1 then1 do you recommend the children of ,metrodorus to ,hermarchus8 ,in that admirable exercise of duty1 in that excellent display of your good faith1 for that is how ,i look upon it1 what is there that you refer to the body8 ,,xxxi4 ,you may twist yourself about in every direction as you please1 ,torquatus1 but you will not find in this excellent letter anything written by ,epicurus which is in harmony and consistent with the rules he laid down4 ,and so he is convicted by himself1 and his writings are upset by his own virtue and goodness4 ,for that recommendation of those children1 that recollection of them1 and affectionate friendship for them1 that attention to the most important duties at the last gasp1 indicates that honesty without any thought of personal advantage was innate in the man2 that it did not require the invitation of pleasure1 or the allurements of mercenary rewards4 ,for what greater evidence can we require that those things which are honourable and right are desirable of themselves for their own sake1 than the sight of a dying man so anxious in the discharge of such important duties8 ,but1 as ,i think that letter deserving of all commendation of which ,i have just given you a literal translation1 7although it was in no respect consistent with the general system of that philosopher17 so also ,i think that his will is inconsistent not only with the dignity of a philosopher1 but even with his own sentiments4 ,for he wrote often1 and at great length1 and sometimes with brevity and suitable language1 in that book which ,i have just named1 that death had nothing to do with us2 for that whatever was dissolved was void of sensation1 and whatever was void of sensation had nothing whatever to do with us4 ,even this might have been expressed better and more elegantly4 ,for when he lays down the position that what has been dissolved is void of sensation1 that is such an expression that it is not very plain what he means by the word dissolved4 ,however1 ,i understand what he really does mean4 ,but still ,i ask why1 when every sensation is extinguished by dissolution1 that is to say1 by death1 and when there is nothing else whatever that has any connexion with us1 he should still take such minute and diligent care to enjoin ,amynomachus and ,timocrates1 his heirs1 to furnish every year what in the opinion of ,hermarchus shall be enough to keep his birthday in the month ,gamelion1 with all proper solemnity4 ,and also1 shall every month1 on the twentieth day of the month1 supply money enough to furnish a banquet for those men who have studied philosophy with him1 in order that his memory1 and that of ,metrodorus1 may be duly honoured4 ,now ,i cannot deny that these injunctions are in keeping with the character of a thoroughly accomplished and amiable man2 but still ,i utterly deny that it is inconsistent with the wisdom of a philosopher1 especially of a natural philosopher1 which is the character he claims for himself1 to think that there is such a day as the birthday of any one4 ,what8 ,can any day which has once passed recur over again frequently4 ,most indubitably not2 or can any day like it recur8 ,even that is impossible1 unless it may happen after an interval of many thousand years1 that there may be a return of all the stars at the same moment to the point from which they set out4 ,there is1 therefore1 no such thing as anybody's birthday4 ,but still it is considered that there is4 ,as if ,i did not know that4 ,but even if there be1 is it to be regarded after a man's death8 ,and is a man to give injunctions in his will that it shall be so1 after he has told you all1 as if with the voice of an oracle1 that there is nothing which concerns us at all after death8 ,these things are very inconsistent in a man who1 in his mind1 had travelled over innumerable worlds and boundless regions1 which were destitute of all limits and boundaries4 ,did ,democritus ever say such a thing as this8 ,i will pass over every one else1 and call him only as a witness whom ,epicurus himself followed to the exclusion of others4 ,but if a day did deserve to be kept1 which was it more fitting to observe1 the day on which a man was born1 or that on which he became wise8 ,a man1 you will say1 could not have become wise unless he had been born4 ,and1 on the same principle1 he could not if his grandmother had never been born4 ,the whole business1 ,torquatus1 is quite out of character for a learned man to wish to have the recollection of his name celebrated with banquets after his death4 ,i say nothing of the way in which you keep these days1 and to how many jokes from witty men you expose yourselves4 ,there is no need of quarrelling4 ,i only say that it would have been more becoming in you to keep ,epicurus's birthday1 than in him to leave injunctions in his will that it should be kept4 ,,xxxii4 ,however1 to return to our subject1 7for while we were talking of pain we digressed to that letter of his17 we may now fairly come to this conclusion4 ,the man who is in the greatest evil1 while he is in it1 is not happy4 ,but the wise man is always happy1 and is also occasionally in pain4 ,therefore1 pain is not the greatest evil4 ,what kind of doctrine1 then1 is this1 that goods which are past are not lost to a wise man1 but that he ought not to remember past evils4 ,first of all1 is it in our power to decide what we will remember4 ,when ,simonides1 or some one else1 offered to ,themistocles to teach him the art of memory1 8,i would rather10 said he1 8that you would teach me that of forgetfulness2 for ,i even now recollect what ,i would rather not2 but ,i cannot forget what ,i should like to40 ,this was a very sensible answer4 ,but still the fact is that it is the act of a very arbitrary philosopher to forbid a man to recollect4 ,it seems to me a command very much in the spirit of your ancestor1 ,manlius1 or even worse1 to command what it is impossible for me to do4 ,what will you say if the recollection of past evils is even pleasant8 ,for some proverbs are more true than your dogmas4 ,nor does ,euripides speak all when he says1 ,i will give it you in ,latin1 if ,i can1 but you all know the ,greek line-- ,sweet is the memory of sorrows past47#da7 ,however1 let us return to the consideration of past goods4 ,and if you were to utter such maxims as might be capable of consoling ,caius ,marius1 and enabling him when banished1 indigent1 and up to his neck in a marsh1 to relieve his anguish by the recollection of his past trophies1 ,i would listen to you1 and approve of all you could say4 ,nor1 indeed1 can the happiness of a philosopher be complete or continue to the end1 if all the admirable discoveries which he has made1 and all his virtuous actions1 are to be lost by his own forgetfulness4 ,but1 in your case1 you assert that the recollection of pleasures which have been felt makes life happy1 and of such pleasures too1 as affect the body4 ,for if there are any other pleasures1 then it is incorrect to say that all the pleasures of the mind originate in its connexion with the body4 ,but if pleasures felt by the body1 even when they are past1 can give pleasure1 then ,i do not understand why ,aristotle should turn the inscription on the tomb of ,sardanapalus into so much ridicule2 in which the king of ,assyria boasts that he has taken with him all his lascivious pleasures4 ,for1 says ,aristotle1 how could those things which even while he was alive he could not feel a moment longer than while he was actually enjoying them1 possibly remain to him after he was dead8 ,the pleasure1 then1 of the body is lost1 and flies away at the first moment1 and oftener leaves behind reasons for repenting of it than for recollecting it4 ,therefore1 ,africanus is happier when addressing his country in this manner-- ,cease1 ,rome1 to dread your foes4444 ,and in the rest of his admirable boast-- ,for you have trophies by my labour raised4 ,he is rejoicing here in his labours which are past4 ,but you would bid him exult in past pleasures4 ,he traces back his feelings to things which had never had any reference to his body4 ,you cling to the body to the exclusion of everything else4 ,,xxxiii4 ,but how can that proposition possibly be maintained which you urge1 namely1 that all the pleasures and pains of the mind are connected inseparably with the pleasures and pains of the body8 ,is there1 then1 nothing which ever delights you1 7,i know whom ,i am addressing17 is there nothing1 ,o ,torquatus1 which ever delights you for its own sake8 ,i say nothing about dignity1 honourableness1 the beauty of virtue1 which ,i have mentioned before4 ,i will put all these things aside as of less consequence4 ,but is there anything when you are writing1 or reading a poem1 or an oration1 when you are investigating the history of exploits or countries1 or anything in a statue1 or picture1 or pleasant place2 in sports1 in hunting1 or in a villa of ,lucullus1 7for if ,i were to say of your own1 you would have a loophole to escape through1 saying that that had connexion with your body17 is there any of all these things1 ,i say1 which you can refer to your body1 or do they not please you1 if they please you at all1 for their own sake8 ,you must either be the most obstinate of men1 if you persist in referring these things1 which ,i have just mentioned1 to the body1 or else you must abandon ,epicurus's whole theory of pleasure1 if you admit that they have no connexion with it4 ,but as for your argument1 that the pleasures and pains of the mind are greater than those of the body1 because the mind is a partaker of three times17#db7 but nothing but what is present is felt by the body2 how can it possibly be allowed that a man who rejoices for my sake rejoices more than ,i do myself8 ,the pleasure of the mind originates in the pleasure of the body1 and the pleasure of the mind is greater than that of the body4 ,the result1 then1 is1 that the party who congratulates the other is more rejoiced than he whom he congratulates4 ,but while you are trying to make out the wise man to be happy1 because he is sensible of the greatest pleasures in his mind1 and1 indeed1 of pleasures which are in all their parts greater than those which he is sensible of in his body1 you do not see what really happens4 ,for he will also feel the pains of the mind to be in every respect greater than those of the body4 ,and so he must occasionally be miserable1 whom you endeavour to represent as being always happy4 ,nor1 indeed1 will it be possible for you ever to fill up the idea of perfect and uninterrupted happiness while you refer everything to pleasure and pain4 ,on which account1 ,o ,torquatus1 we must find out something else which is the chief good of man4 ,let us grant pleasure to the beasts1 to whom you often appeal as witnesses on the subject of the chief good4 ,what will you say1 if even the beasts do many things under the guidance of their various natures1 partly out of indulgence to other beasts1 and at the cost of their own labour1 as1 for instance1 it is very visible in bringing forth and rearing their young1 that they have some other object in view besides their own pleasure8 and partly1 too1 when they rejoice in running about and travelling2 and some assemble in herds1 in such a manner as to imitate in some degree a human state4 ,in some species of birds we see certain indications of affection1 knowledge1 and memory2 in many we see what even looks like a regular system of action4 ,shall there1 then1 be in beasts some images of human virtues1 quite unconnected with pleasure1 and shall there be no virtue in man except for the sake of pleasure8 and though he is as superior as can be to all the other animals1 shall we still affirm that he has no peculiar attributes given to him by nature8 ,,xxxiv4 ,but we1 if indeed all things depend on pleasure1 are greatly surpassed by beasts1 for which the earth1 of her own accord1 produces various sorts of food1 in every kind of abundance1 without their taking any trouble about it2 while the same necessaries are scarcely 7sometimes ,i may even use stronger language still7 supplied to us1 when we seek them with great labour4 ,nor is it possible that ,i should ever think that the chief good was the same in the case of a beast and a man4 ,for what can be the use of having so many means and appliances for the carrying out of the most excellent arts1--what can be the use of such an assemblage of most honourable pursuits1 of such a crowd of virtues1 if they are all got together for no other end but pleasure8 ,as if1 when ,xerxes1 with such vast fleets1 such countless troops of both cavalry and infantry1 had bridged over the ,hellespont and dug through ,mount ,athos1 had walked across the sea1 and sailed7#dc7 over the land1 if1 when he had invaded ,greece with such irresistible violence1 any one had asked him for the cause of collecting so vast an army1 and waging so formidable a war1 and he had replied that he wished to get some honey from ,hymettus1 certainly he would have been thought to have undertaken such an enterprise for an insufficient cause4 ,and in like manner1 if we were to say that a wise man1 furnished and provided with numerous and important virtues and accomplishments1 not1 indeed1 travelling like him over sea on foot1 and over mountains with his fleet1 but embracing the whole heaven1 all the earth1 and the universal sea with his mind1 had nothing in view but pleasure1 we might say that he1 too1 was taking a great deal of trouble for a little honey4 ,believe me1 ,torquatus1 we were born for more lofty and noble ends2 and you may see this1 not only by considering the parts of the mind1 in which there is the recollection of a countless number of things1 7and from thence proceed infinite conjectures as to the consequences of them1 not very far differing from divination2 there is also in them shame1 which is the regulator of desire1 and the faithful guardianship of justice1 so necessary to human society1 and a firm enduring contempt for pain and death1 shown in the enduring of labours and the encountering of dangers47 ,all these things1 ,i say1 are in the mind4 ,but ,i would have you consider also the limbs and the senses1 which1 like the other parts of the body1 will appear to you to be not only the companions of the virtues1 but also their slaves4 ,what will you say1 if many things in the body itself appear to deserve to be preferred to pleasure8 such as strength1 health1 activity1 beauty8 ,and if this is the case1 how many qualities of the mind will likewise seem so8 ,for in the mind1 the old philosophers--those most learned men--thought that there was something heavenly and divine4 ,but if the chief good consisted in pleasure1 as you say1 then it would be natural that we should wish to live day and night in the midst of pleasure1 without any interval or interruption1 while all our senses were1 as it were1 steeped in and influenced wholly by pleasure4 ,but who is there1 who is worthy of the name of a man1 who would like to spend even the whole of one day in that kind of pleasure8 ,the ,cyrenaic philosophers1 indeed1 would not object4 ,your sect is more modest in this respect1 though their's is perhaps the more sincere4 ,however1 let us contemplate with our minds1 not1 indeed1 these most important arts1 which are so valuable1 that those who were ignorant of them were accounted useless by our ancestors2 but ,i ask you whether you think that 7,i will not say ,homer1 or ,archilochus1 or ,pindar1 but7 ,phidias1 or ,polycletus1 or ,zeuxis directed the whole of their skill to cause more pleasure4 ,shall1 then1 an artist propose to himself a higher aim1 with reference to the beauty of figures1 than a virtuous citizen with reference to the nobleness of action8 ,but what other cause can there be for such a blunder being so widely and extensively diffused1 except that he who determines that pleasure is the chief good1 deliberates not with that part of his mind in which reason and wisdom dwell1 but with his desires1 that is to say1 with the most trifling portion of his mind4 ,for ,i put the question to you yourself1 if there are gods1 as you think that there are1 how have they the power of being happy1 when they are not able to feel any pleasure in their bodies8 or if they are happy1 though destitute of that kind of pleasure1 why do you refuse to recognize the possibility of a similar exertion of intellect on the part of a wise man8 ,,xxxv4 ,read1 ,o ,torquatus1 the panegyrics1 not of those men who have been praised by ,homer1 not the encomiums passed on ,cyrus1 or ,agesilaus1 or ,aristides1 or ,themistocles1 or ,philip1 or ,alexander2 but read the praises of our own fellow-countrymen1 of the heroes of your own family4 ,you will not find any one praised on the ground of having been a cunning contriver1 or procurer1 of pleasure4 ,the eulogies on their monuments signify no such thing2 like this one which is at one of our gates1 8,in whose favour many nations unanimously agree that he was the noblest man of the nation40 ,do we think that many nations judged of ,calatinus1 that he was the noblest man of the nation1 because he was the most skilful in the devising of pleasures8 ,shall we1 then1 say that there is great hope and an excellent disposition in those young men whom we think likely to consult their own advantage1 and to see what will be profitable to themselves8 ,do we not see what a great confusion of everything would ensue8 what great disorder8 ,such a doctrine puts an end to all beneficence1 to all gratitude1 which are the great bonds of agreement4 ,for if you do good to any one for your own sake1 that is not to be considered a kindness1 but only usury2 nor does any gratitude appear due to the man who has benefited another for his own sake4 ,but if pleasure is the dominant power1 it is inevitable that all the virtues must be trampled under foot4 ,for there are many kinds of base conduct1 which1 unless honourableness is naturally to have the most influence1 must1 or at least it is not easy to explain why they should not1 overcome a wise man2 and1 not to go hunting for too many instances1 it is quite clear1 that virtue deservedly praised1 must cut off all the approaches of pleasure4 ,do not1 now1 expect any more arguments from me4 ,look1 ,torquatus1 yourself1 into your own mind2 turn the question over in all your thoughts2 examine yourself1 whether you would prefer to pass your life in the enjoyment of perpetual pleasure1 in that tranquillity which you have often felt1 free from all pain1 with the addition also of that blessing which you often speak of as an addition1 but which is1 in fact1 an impossible one1 the absence of all fear2 or1 while deserving well of all nations1 and bearing assistance and safety to all who are in need of it1 to encounter even the distresses of ,hercules4 ,for so our ancestors1 even in the case of a god1 called labours which were unavoidable by the most melancholy name1 distresses47#dd7 ,i would require you1 and compel you to answer me1 if ,i were not afraid that you might say that ,hercules himself performed those exploits1 which he performed with the greatest labour for the safety of nations1 for the sake of pleasure4 ,and when ,i had said this1--,i know1 said ,torquatus1 who it is that ,i have to thank for this2 and although ,i might be able to do something myself1 yet ,i am still more glad to find my friends better prepared than ,i am4 ,i suppose you mean ,syro and ,philodemus1 excellent citizens and most learned men4 ,you are right1 said he4 ,come1 then1 said ,i4 ,but it would be more fair for ,triarius to give some opinion on this discussion of ours4 ,indeed1 said he smiling1 it would be very unfair1 at least on this subject3 for you manage the question more gently2 but this man attacks us after the fashion of the ,stoics4 ,then ,triarius said1 ,hereafter ,i will speak more boldly still3 for ,i shall have all these arguments which ,i have just heard ready to my hand2 and ,i will not begin before ,i see you equipped by those philosophers whom you mention4 ,and when this had been said1 we made an end both of our walk and of our discussion4 ,third ,book ,of ,the ,treatise ,on ,the ,chief ,good ,and ,evil4 ,i4 ,i think1 ,brutus1 that ,pleasure1 if she were to speak for herself1 and had not such pertinacious advocates1 would yield to ,virtue1 as having been vanquished in the preceding book4 ,in truth1 she would be destitute of shame if she were to resist ,virtue any longer1 or persist in preferring what is pleasant to what is honourable1 or were to contend that a tickling pleasure1 as it were1 of the body1 and the joy arising out of it1 is of more importance than dignity of mind and consistency4 ,so that we may dismiss ,pleasure1 and desire her to confine herself within her own boundaries1 so that the strictness of our discussions may not be hindered by her allurements and blandishments4 ,for we have now to inquire what that chief good is which we are anxious to discover2 since pleasure is quite unconnected with it1 and since nearly the same arguments can be urged against those who have considered freedom from pain as the greatest of goods4 ,nor1 indeed1 can anything be admitted to be the chief good which is destitute of virtue1 to which nothing can be superior4 ,therefore1 although in that discourse which was held with ,torquatus we were not remiss1 still we have now a much sharper contest before us with the ,stoics4 ,for the statements which are made about pleasure are not expressed with any great acuteness or refinement4 ,for they who defend it are not skilful in arguing1 nor have those who take the opposite side a very difficult cause to oppose4 ,even ,epicurus himself says1 that one ought not even to argue about pleasure1 because the decision respecting it depends on the sensations1 so that it is sufficient for us to be warned respecting it1 and quite unnecessary for us to be instructed4 ,and on this account1 that previous discussion of ours was a simple one on both sides2 for there was nothing involved or intricate in the discourse of ,torquatus1 and my own language1 as it seems to me1 was very clear4 ,but you are not ignorant what a subtle1 or ,i might rather say1 thorny kind of arguing it is which is employed by the ,stoics4 ,and if it is so among the ,greeks1 much more so is it among us1 who are forced even to invent words1 and to give new names to new things4 ,and this is what no one who is even moderately learned will wonder at1 when he considers that in every art which is not in common and ordinary use1 there is a great variety of new names1 as appellations are forced to be given to everything about which each art is conversant4 ,therefore1 both dialecticians and natural philosophers use those words which are not common in the ordinary conversation of the ,greeks2 and geometricians1 musicians1 and grammarians1 all speak after a peculiar fashion of their own4 ,and even the rhetoricians1 whose art is a forensic one1 and wholly directed to the people1 still in giving their lessons use words which are1 as it were1 their peculiar private property4 ,,ii4 ,and1 without dwelling on the case of these liberal and gentlemanly professions1 even artisans would not be capable of exercising their trades properly if they did not use technical words1 which are not understood by us1 though in common use among them4 ,agriculture1 also1 which is as distant as can be from all polite refinement1 still marks those matters with which it is conversant by new names4 ,and much more is this course allowable in a philosopher2 for philosophy is the art of life1 and a man who is discussing that cannot borrow his language from the forum1--although there is no school of philosophers which has made so many innovations as the ,stoics4 ,zeno too1 their chief1 was not so much a discoverer of new things as of new words4 ,but if1 even in that language which most people consider richer than our own1 ,greece has permitted the most learned men to use words not in ordinary use about subjects which are equally unusual1 how much more ought the same licence to be granted to us1 who are now venturing to be the very first of our countrymen to touch on such matters8 ,and though we have often said1--and that1 too1 in spite of some complaints not only of the ,greeks1 but of those men also who would prefer being accounted ,greeks to being thought our own countrymen1--that we are so far from being surpassed by the ,greeks in the richness and copiousness of our language1 that we are even superior to them in that particular2 we must labour to establish this point1 not only in our own national arts1 but in those too which we have derived from them4 ,although1 since they have become established by habit1 we may fairly consider those words as our own which1 in accordance with ancient custom1 we use as ,latin words2 such as philosophia itself1 rhetorica1 dialectica1 grammatica1 geometria1 musica1--although they could1 no doubt1 be translated into more genuine ,latin4 ,enough1 however1 of the names of things4 ,but with respect to the things themselves1 ,i am often afraid1 ,brutus1 that ,i may be blamed when ,i am writing to you1 who have made so much progress1 not only in philosophy1 but in the most excellent kind of philosophy4 ,and if ,i wrote as if ,i were giving you any instruction1 ,i should deserve to be blamed2 but such conceit is far from me4 ,nor do ,i send letters to you under the idea of making you acquainted with what is thoroughly known to you before2 but because ,i am fond of supporting myself by your name1 and because also ,i consider you the most candid critic and judge of those studies which both you and ,i apply ourselves to in common4 ,i know1 therefore1 that you will pay careful attention to what ,i write1 as is your wont1 and that you will decide on the dispute which took place between your uncle--a most heavenly-minded and admirable man--and myself4 ,for when ,i was at my villa near ,tusculum1 and was desirous to make use of some books in the library of the young ,lucullus1 ,i went one day to his house1 in order to take away 7as ,i was in the habit of doing7 the books which ,i wanted4 ,and when ,i had arrived there1 ,i found ,marcus ,cato1 whom ,i did not know to be there1 sitting in the library1 surrounded by a number of the books of the ,stoics4 ,for he had1 as you know1 a boundless desire for reading1 one which was quite insatiable1--so much so1 indeed1 that he was not afraid of the causeless reproaches of the common people1 but was accustomed to continue reading even in the senate-house itself1 while the senate was assembling1 without1 however1 at all relaxing in his attention to the affairs of the republic4 ,and now1 being in the enjoyment of complete leisure1 and being surrounded by a great abundance of such treasures1 he appeared to be completely gorging himself with books1 if ,i may use such an expression about so respectable a subject4 ,and as it so happened that neither of us expected to see the other1 he at once rose up on my entrance2 and1 after the first salutations which are usual at such a meeting1 ,what object has brought you here8 said he2 for ,i presume you are come from your own villa1 and if ,i had known that you had been there1 ,i should have come myself to see you4 ,i only1 said ,i1 left the city yesterday after the commencement of the games1 and got home in the evening4 ,but my object in coming here was to take some books away with me2 and it will be a pity1 ,cato1 if our friend ,lucullus does not some day or other become acquainted with all these treasures2 for ,i would rather have him take delight in these books than in all the rest of the furniture of the villa4 ,for he is a youth ,i am very anxious about2 although1 indeed1 it is more peculiarly your business to take care that he shall be so educated as to do credit to his father1 and to our friend ,cpio1 and to you who are such a near relation of his47#de7 ,but ,i myself have some right to feel an interest in him2 for ,i am influenced by my recollection of his grandfather1--and you well know what a regard ,i had for ,cpio1 who1 in my opinion1 would now be one of the first men of the city if he were alive2 and ,i also have ,lucullus himself always before my eyes1--a man not only excelling in every virtue1 but connected with me both by friendship and a general resemblance of inclination and sentiment4 ,you do well1 said he1 to retain a recollection of those persons1 both of whom recommended their children to your care by their wills1 and you are right too to be attached to this youth4 ,and as for your calling it my peculiar business1 ,i will not decline the office1 but ,i claim you for my partner in the duty4 ,i will say this also1 that the boy has already shown me many indications both of modesty and of ability2 but you see how young he is as yet4 ,to be sure ,i do1 said ,i2 but even now he ought to receive a tincture of those accomplishments which1 if he drinks of them now while he is young1 will hereafter make him more ready for more important business4 ,and so we will often talk over this matter anxiously together1 and we will act in concert4 ,however1 let us sit down1 says he1 if you please4 ,so we sat down4 ,,iii4 ,then ,cato said3 ,but now1 what books in the world are they that you are looking for here1 when you have such a library at home8 ,i want1 said ,i1 some of the ,aristotelian ,commentaries1 which ,i know are here2 and ,i came to carry them off1 to read when ,i have leisure1 which is not1 as you know1 very often the case with me4 ,how ,i wish1 said he1 that you had an inclination towards our ,stoic sect2 for certainly it is natural for you1 if it ever was so for any one1 to think nothing a good except virtue4 ,may ,i not1 ,i replied1 rejoin that it would be natural for you1 as your opinion in reality is the same as mine1 to forbear giving new names to things8 for our principles are the same1--it is only our language that is at variance4 ,indeed1 said he1 our principles are not the same at all2 for ,i can never agree to your calling anything desirable except what is honourable1 and to your reckoning such things among the goods1--and1 by so doing1 extinguishing honourableness1 which is1 as it were1 the light of virtue1 and utterly upsetting virtue herself4 ,those are all very fine words1 said ,i1 ,o ,cato2 but do you not see that all those pompous expressions are shared by you in common with ,pyrrho and ,aristo1 who think all things equal8 ,and ,i should like to know what your opinion of them is4 ,mine8 said he2 do you want to know what ,i think of them8 ,i think that those men whom we have either heard of from our ancestors1 or seen ourselves1 to be good1 brave1 just1 and moderate in the republic1--those who1 following nature herself1 without any particular learning or system1 have done many praiseworthy actions1 have been educated by nature herself better than they could have been educated by philosophy1 if they had adopted any other philosophy except that which ranks nothing whatever among the goods except what is honourable1 and nothing among the evils except what is disgraceful4 ,as for all other systems of philosophy1 they differ entirely in their estimate of good and evil2 but still ,i consider no one of them which classes anything destitute of virtue among either the goods or the evils1 as being of any use to men1 or as uttering any sentiment by which we may become better2 but ,i think that they all tend rather to deprave nature herself4 ,for if this point be not conceded1 that that alone is good which is honourable1 it follows that it must be impossible to prove that life is made happy by virtue4 ,and if that be the case1 then ,i do not see why any attention should be bestowed on philosophy2 for if a wise man can be miserable1 then of a truth ,i do not consider that virtue1 which is accounted so glorious and memorable a thing1 of any great value4 ,,iv4 ,all that you have been saying1 ,cato1 ,i replied1 you might say if you agreed with ,pyrrho or ,aristo2 for you are not ignorant that they consider that honourableness not only the chief good1 but also 7as you yourself maintain7 the only good4 ,and if this is the case1 the consequence which ,i see you aim at follows necessarily1 that all wise men are always happy4 ,do you then praise these men1 and do you think that we ought to follow their opinion8 ,by no means1 said he2 for as this is a peculiar attribute of virtue to make its selection of those things which are in accordance with nature1 those who have made all things equal in such a manner as to consider all things on either side perfectly indifferent1 so as to leave no room for any selection1 have utterly put an end to virtue4 ,you say right1 said ,i2 but ,i ask you whether you1 too1 must not do the same thing1 when you say that there is nothing good which is not right and honourable1 and so put an end to all the difference between other things8 ,that would be the case1 said he1 if ,i did put an end to it2 but ,i deny the fact--,i leave it4 ,how so1 said ,i8 ,if virtue alone1--if that thing alone which you call honourable1 right1 praiseworthy1 and creditable1 7for it will be more easily seen what is the character that you ascribe to it1 if it be pointed out by many words tending to the same point17--if1 ,i say1 that is the sole good1 what else will there be for you to follow8 ,and1 on the other hand1 if nothing is evil except what is disgraceful1 dishonourable1 unbecoming1 wrong1 flagitious1 and base1 7to make this also manifest by giving it many names17 what else will there be which you can say ought to be avoided8 ,i will not1 said he1 reply to each point of your question1 as you are not1 as ,i suspect1 ignorant of what ,i am going to say1 but seeking rather to find something to carp at in my brief answer3 ,i will rather1 since we have plenty of time1 explain to you1 unless you think it foreign to the subject1 the whole opinion of ,zeno and the ,stoics on the matter4 ,very far from foreign to the subject1 said ,i2 indeed1 your explanations will be of great service in elucidating to me the points about which ,i am inquiring4 ,let us try1 then1 said he1 although this system of the ,stoics has in it something rather difficult and obscure2 for1 as formerly1 when these matters were discussed in the ,greek language1 the very names of things appeared strange which have now become sanctioned by daily use1 what do you think will be the case when we are discussing them in ,latin8 ,still1 said ,i1 we must do so2 for if ,zeno might take the liberty when he had discovered anything not previously common1 to fix on it a name that was likewise unprecedented1 why may not ,cato take the same8 ,nor will it be necessary for you to render what he has said word for word1 as translators are in the habit of doing who have no command of language of their own1 whenever there is a word in more ordinary use which has the same meaning4 ,i indeed myself am in the habit1 if ,i cannot manage it any other way1 of using many words to express what the ,greeks have expressed in one2 and yet ,i think that we ought to be allowed to use a ,greek word on occasions when we cannot find a ,latin one1 and to employ such terms as proegmena and apoproegmena1 just as freely as we say ephippia and acratophori1 though it may be sufficient to translate these two particular words by preferred and rejected4 ,i am much obliged to you1 said he1 for your hint2 and ,i will in preference use those ,latin terms which you have just mentioned2 and in other cases1 too1 you shall come to my assistance if you see me in difficulties4 ,i will do so1 said ,i1 with great goodwill2 but fortune favours the bold4 ,so make the attempt1 ,i beg of you2 for what more divine occupation can we have8 ,v4 ,those philosophers1 said he1 whose system ,i approve of1 consider that as soon as an animal is born1 7for this is where we must begin17 he is instinctively induced and excited to preserve himself and his existing condition1 and to feel attachment to those things which have a tendency to preserve that condition2 and to feel an abhorrence of dissolution1 and of those circumstances which appear to be pregnant with dissolution4 ,and they prove that this is the case1 because1 before either pleasure or pain has affected it1 even while it is very little1 it seeks what is salutary1 and shuns the contrary3 and this would not be the case if they were not fond of their condition1 and afraid of dissolution2 and it would not be possible for them to seek any particular thing if they had not some sense of themselves1 and if that did not influence them to love themselves and what belongs to them4 ,from which it ought to be understood that it is from the animal itself that the principle of self-love in it is derived4 ,but among these natural principles of self-love most of the ,stoics do not admit that pleasure ought to be classed2 and ,i entirely agree with them1 to avoid the many discreditable things which must ensue if nature should appear to have placed pleasure among those things which are the first objects of desire4 ,but it appears to be proof enough why we naturally love those things which are by nature placed in the first rank1 that there is no one1 who1 when either alternative is equally in his power1 would not prefer to have all the parts of his body in a suitable and entire condition1 rather than impaired by use1 or in any particular distorted or depraved4 ,but as for the knowledge of things--or if you do not so much approve of this word cognitio1 or find it less intelligible1 we will call it --that we think is naturally to be acquired for its own sake1 because it contains something which has1 as it were1 embraced and seized upon truth4 ,and this is perceptible even in infants2 whom we see amused if they have succeeded in finding out anything themselves by reason1 even though it may be of no service whatever to them4 ,and moreover1 we consider arts worth attending to on their own account1 both because there is in them something worth acceptance1 and also because they depend upon knowledge1 and contain in themselves something which proceeds on system and method4 ,but ,i think that we are more averse to assent on false grounds than to anything else which is contrary to nature4 ,now of the limbs1 that is to say1 of the parts of the body1 some appear to have been given to us by nature because of the use which1 they are of to us1 as1 for instance1 the hands1 legs1 and feet1 and also those internal organs of the body1 of which ,i may leave it to the physicians to explain the exceeding usefulness2 but others with no view to utility1 but for ornament as it were1 as the tail is given to the peacock1 plumage of many colours to the dove1 breasts and a beard to man4 ,perhaps you will say this is but a dry enumeration2 for these things are1 as it were1 the first elements of nature1 which cannot well have any richness of language employed upon them2 nor indeed am ,i thinking of displaying any2 but when one is speaking of more important matters1 then the subject itself hurries on the language3 and then one's discourse is at the same time more impressive and more ornate4 ,it is as you say1 said ,i2 but still everything which is said in a lucid manner about a good subject appears to me to be said well4 ,and to wish to speak of subjects of that kind in a florid style is childish2 but to be able to explain them with clearness and perspicuity1 is a token of a learned and intelligent man4 ,,vi4 ,let us then proceed1 said he1 since we have digressed from these first principles of nature1 which everything which follows ought to be in harmony with4 ,but this is the first division of the subject4 ,a thing is said to be estimable3 for so we may1 ,i think1 call that which is either itself in accordance with nature1 or else which is the efficient cause of something of such a character that it is worthy of being selected because it has in it some weight worth appreciating1 which he calls 2 and1 on the other hand1 something not estimable1 which is the contrary of the preceding4 ,the first principles1 therefore1 being laid down1 that those things which are according to nature are to be chosen for their own sakes1 and those which are contrary to it are in like manner to be rejected2 the first duty 7for that is how ,i translate the word 7 is1 for a man to preserve himself in his natural condition2 next to that1 to maintain those things which are in accordance with nature1 and reject what is opposite to it2 and when this principle of selection and rejection has been discovered1 then follows selection in accordance with duty2 and then that third kind1 which is perpetual1 and consistent to the end1 and corresponding to nature1 in which there first begins to be a proper understanding of what there is which can be truly called good4 ,for the first attraction of man is to those things which are according to nature4 ,but as soon as he has received that intelligence1 or perhaps ,i should say1 notion1 which they call 1 and has seen the order and1 if ,i may so say1 the harmony in which things are to be done1 he then estimates it at a higher value than all the things which he loved at first2 and by this knowledge1 and by reasoning1 he comes to such a conclusion that he decides that the chief good of man1 which deserves to be praised and desired for its own sake1 is placed in what the ,stoics call 1 and we agreement1 if you approve of this translation of the term2 as therefore it is in this that that good is placed to which all things which are done honourably are to be referred1 and honour itself1 which is reckoned among the goods1 although it is only produced subsequently1 still this alone deserves to be sought for on account of its intrinsic power and worth2 but of those things which are the principal natural goods there is not one which is to be sought for its own sake4 ,but as those things which ,i have called duties proceed from the first principles of nature1 they must necessarily be referred to them2 so that it may be fairly said that all duties are referred to this end1 of arriving at the principles of nature2 not1 however1 that this is the highest of all goods1 because there is no such thing as honourable action in the first attractions of nature2 for that is what follows1 and arises subsequently1 as ,i have said before4 ,but still it is according to nature1 and encourages us to desire itself much more than all those things which have been previously mentioned4 ,but1 first of all1 we must remove a mistake1 that no one may think that it follows that there are two supreme goods4 ,for as1 if it were the purpose of any one to direct an arrow or a spear straight at any object1 just as we have said that there is an especial point to be aimed at in goods1--the archer ought to do all in his power to aim straight at the target1 and the other man ought also to do his endeavour to hit the mark1 and gain the end which he has proposed to himself3 let this then which we call the chief good in life be1 as it were1 his mark2 and his endeavour to hit it must be furthered by careful selection1 not by mere desire4 ,,vii4 ,but as all duties proceed from the first principles of nature1 it follows inevitably that wisdom itself must proceed from the same source4 ,but as it often happens1 that he who has been recommended to any one considers him to whom he has been recommended of more importance than him who recommended him2 so it is not at all strange that in the first instance we are recommended to wisdom by the principles of nature1 but that subsequently wisdom herself becomes dearer to us than the starting place from which we arrive at it4 ,and as limbs have been given to us in such a way that it is plain they have been given for some purpose of life2 so that appetite of the mind which in ,greek is called 1 appears to have been given to us1 not for any particular kind of life1 but rather for some especial manner of living3 and so too is system and perfect method4 ,for as an actor employs gestures1 and a dancer motions1 not practising any random movement1 but a regular systematic action2 so life must be passed according to a certain fixed kind1 and not any promiscuous way1 and that certain kind we call a suitable and harmonious one4 ,nor do we think wisdom similar to the art of navigation or medicine1 but rather to that kind of action which ,i have spoken of1 and to dancing2 ,i mean1 inasmuch as the ultimate point1 that is to say1 the production of the art1 lies in the art itself1 and is not sought for from foreign sources4 ,and yet there are other points in which there is a difference between wisdom and those arts2 because in those arts those things which are done properly do nevertheless not comprise all the parts of the arts of which they consist4 ,but the things which we call right1 or rightly done1 if you will allow the expression1 and which they call 1 contain in them the whole completeness of virtue4 ,for wisdom is the only thing which is contained wholly in itself2 and this is not the case with the other arts4 ,and it is only out of ignorance that the object of the art of medicine or navigation is compared with the object of wisdom2 for wisdom embraces greatness of mind and justice1 and judges all the accidents which befal mankind beneath itself3 and this too is not the case in the other arts4 ,but no one will be able to maintain those very virtues of which ,i have just made mention1 unless he lays down a rule that there is nothing which is of any importance1 nothing which differs from anything else1 except what is honourable or disgraceful4 ,,viii4 ,let us see now how admirably these rules follow from those principles which ,i have already laid down4 ,for as this is the ultimate 7extremum7 point1 7for you have noticed1 ,i dare say1 that ,i translate what the ,greek philosopher calls 1 sometimes by the word extremum1 sometimes by ultimum1 and sometimes by summum1 and instead of extremum or ultimum1 ,i may also use the word finis17--as1 then1 this is the ultimate point1 to live in a manner suitable to and harmonising with nature2 it follows of necessity that all wise men do always live happily1 perfectly1 and fortunately2 that they are hindered by nothing1 embarrassed by nothing2 that they are in want of nothing4 ,and that which holds together not more that school of which ,i am speaking than our lives and fortunes1 that is to say1 the principle of accounting what is honourable to be the sole good1 may indeed easily be embellished and enlarged upon at great length1 with great richness of illustration1 with great variety of carefully chosen expressions1 and with the most pompous sentiments in a rhetorical manner2 but ,i prefer the brief1 acute1 conclusive arguments of the ,stoics4 ,now their conclusions are arrived at in this manner3 8,everything which is good is praiseworthy2 but everything which is praiseworthy is honourable2--therefore1 everything which is good is honourable40 ,does not this appear properly deduced8 ,undoubtedly2--for the result which was obtained from the two premises which were assumed1 you see was contained in them4 ,but of the two premises from which the conclusion was inferred it is only the major one which can be contradicted--if you say that it is not the case1 that everything which is good is praiseworthy3 for it is granted that whatever is praiseworthy is honourable4 ,but it is utterly absurd to say1 that there is anything good which is not to be sought for2 or1 that there is anything which ought to be sought for which is not pleasing2 or1 that if it is pleasing it ought not likewise to be loved4 ,then it ought also to be approved of4 ,then it is praiseworthy4 ,but what is praiseworthy is honourable4 ,and so the result is1 that whatever is good is also honourable4 ,in the next place1 ,i ask1 who can boast of a life which is miserable2 or avoid boasting of one which is happy8--therefore men boast only of a life which is happy4 ,from which the consequence follows1 that a happy life deserves to be boasted of2 but this cannot properly be predicated of any life which is not an honourable one4 ,from this it follows1 that a happy life must be an honourable one4 ,and since the man to whom it happens to be deservedly praised has some eminent qualities tending to credit and glory1 so that he may rightly be called happy on account of such important qualities2 the same thing is properly predicated of the life of such a man4 ,and so1 if a happy life is discerned by its honourableness1 then what is honourable ought to be considered the sole good4 ,and1 as this cannot possibly be denied1 what man do we say can ever exist of a stable and firm and great mind1--whom1 in fact1 can we ever call brave1--unless the point is established1 that pain is not an evil8 ,for as it is impossible that the man who ranks death among evils should not fear it1 so in every case it is impossible for a man to disregard what he judges to be an evil1 and to despise it4 ,and when this point has been laid down1 and ratified by universal assent1 this is assumed next1 that the man who is of a brave and magnanimous spirit despises and utterly disregards every accident which can befal a man4 ,and as this is the case1 the consequence is1 that there is nothing evil which is not disgraceful4 ,and that man of lofty and excellent spirit1--that magnanimous and truly brave man1 who considers all human accidents beneath his notice1--the man ,i mean whom we wish to make so1 whom at all events we are looking for1--ought to confide in himself1 and in his own life both past and to come1 and to form a favourable judgment of himself1 laying down as a principle1 that no evil can happen to a wise man4 ,from which again the same result follows1 that the sole good is that which is honourable2 and that to live happily is to live honourably1 that is1 virtuously4 ,,ix4 ,not that ,i am ignorant that the opinions of philosophers have been various1 of those ,i mean who have placed the chief good1 that which ,i call the end1 in the mind4 ,and although some people have followed them very incorrectly1 still ,i prefer their theory1 not only to that of the three sects who have separated virtue from the chief good1 while ranking either pleasure1 or freedom from pain1 or the original gifts of nature among goods1 but also to the other three who have thought that virtue would be crippled without some reinforcement1 and on that account have each added to it one of those other particulars which ,i have just enumerated4 ,i1 however1 as ,i said1 prefer to all these the men1 whoever they may be1 who have described the chief good as consisting in the mind and in virtue4 ,but nevertheless1 those also are extremely absurd who have said that to live with knowledge is the highest good1 and who have asserted that there is no difference between things1 and so1 that a wise man will surely be a happy one1 never at any moment of his life preferring one thing to another3 as some of the ,academics are said to have laid it down1 that the highest good and the chief duty of a wise man is to resist appearances1 and firmly to withhold his assent from them4 ,now people often make very lengthy replies to each of these assertions2 yet what is very clear ought not to be long4 ,but what is more evident than1 if there be no selection made1 discarding those things which are contrary to nature1 and selecting those which are according to nature1 all that prudence which is so much sought after and extolled would be done away with8 ,if1 then1 we discard those sentiments which ,i have mentioned1 and all others which resemble them1 it remains that the chief good must be to live1 exercising a knowledge of those things which happen by nature1 selecting what is according to nature1 and rejecting any which are contrary to nature2 that is to say1 to live in a manner suitable and corresponding to nature4 ,but in other arts1 when anything is said to have been done according to the rules of art1 there is something to be considered which is subsequent and follows upon such compliance2 which they call 4 ,but when we say in any matter that a thing has been done wisely1 that same thing is from the first said also to have been done most properly2 for whatever proceeds from a wise man must at once be perfect in all its parts3 for in him is placed that quality which we say is to be desired4 ,for as it is a sin to betray one's country1 to injure one's parents1 to plunder temples1 which are all sins of commission2 so it is likewise a sin to be afraid1 to grieve1 to be under the dominion of lust1 even if no overt act follows these feelings4 ,but1 as these are sins1 not in their later periods and consequences1 but at once from the first moment2 so those actions which proceed from virtue are to be considered right at the first moment that they are undertaken1 and not only when they are accomplished4 ,x4 ,but it may be as well to give an explanation and definition of the word good1 which1 has been so often employed in this discourse4 ,but the definitions of those philosophers differ a good deal from one another1 and yet have all reference to the same facts4 ,i myself agree with ,diogenes1 who has defined good to be that which in its nature is perfect4 ,but that which follows1 that which is profitable 7for so we may translate his 71 he considered to be a motion1 or a state1 arising out of the nature of the perfect4 ,and as the notions of things arise in the mind1 if anything has become known either by practice1 or by combination1 or by similitude1 or by the comparison of reason2 then by this fourth means1 which ,i have placed last1 the knowledge of good is arrived at4 ,for when1 by a comparison of the reason1 the mind ascends from those things which are according to reason1 then it arrives at a notion of good4 ,and this good we are speaking of1 we both feel to be and call good1 not because of any addition made to it1 nor from its growth1 nor from comparing it with other things1 but because of its own proper power4 ,for as honey1 although it is very sweet1 is still perceived to be sweet by its own peculiar kind of taste1 and not by comparison with other things2 so this good1 which we are now treating of1 is indeed to be esteemed of great value2 but that valuation depends on kind and not on magnitude4 ,for as estimation1 which is called 1 is not reckoned among goods1 nor1 on the other hand1 among evils1 whatever you add to it will remain in its kind4 ,there is1 therefore1 another kind of estimation proper to virtue1 which is of weight from its character1 and not because of its increasing4 ,nor1 indeed1 are the perturbations of the mind1 which make the lives of the unwise bitter and miserable1 and which the ,greeks call 1 7,i might translate the word itself by the ,latin morbi1 but it would not suit all the meanings of the ,greek word2 for who ever calls pity1 or even anger1 a disease--morbus78 but the ,greeks do call such a feeling 4 ,let us then translate it perturbation1 which is by its very name pointed out to be something vicious4 ,nor are these perturbations1 ,i say1 excited by any natural force2 and they are altogether in kind four1 but as to their divisions they are more numerous4 ,there is melancholy1 fear1 lust1 and that feeling which the ,stoics call by the common name which they apply to both mind and body1 1 and which ,i prefer translating joy 7ltitia71 rather than a pleasurable elation of an exulting mind4 ,but perturbations are not excited by any force of nature2 and all those feelings are judgments and opinions proceeding from light-mindedness2 and1 therefore1 the wise man will always be free from them4 ,,xi4 ,but that everything which is honourable is to be sought for its own sake1 is an opinion common to us with many other schools of philosophers4 ,for1 except the three sects which exclude virtue from the chief good1 this opinion must be maintained by all philosophers1 and above all by us1 who do not rank anything whatever among goods except what is honourable4 ,but the defence of this opinion is very easy and simple indeed2 for who is there1 or who ever was there1 of such violent avarice1 or of such unbridled desires as not infinitely to prefer that anything which he wishes to acquire1 even at the expense of any conceivable wickedness1 should come into his power without crime1 7even though he had a prospect of perfect impunity17 than through crime8 and what utility1 or what personal advantage do we hope for1 when we are anxious to know whether those bodies are moving whose movements are concealed from us1 and owing to what causes they revolve through the heavens8 ,and who is there that lives according to such clownish maxims1 or who has so rigorously hardened himself against the study of nature1 as to be averse to things worthy of being understood1 and to be indifferent to and disregard such knowledge1 merely because there is no exact usefulness or pleasure likely to result from it8 or1 who is there who--when he comes to know the exploits1 and sayings1 and wise counsels of our forefathers1 of the ,africani1 or of that ancestor of mine whom you are always talking of1 and of other brave men1 and citizens of pre-eminent virtue--does not feel his mind affected with pleasure8 and who that has been brought up in a respectable family1 and educated as becomes a freeman1 is not offended with baseness as such1 though it may not be likely to injure him personally8 ,who can keep his equanimity while looking on a man who1 he thinks1 lives in an impure and wicked manner8 ,who does not hate sordid1 fickle1 unstable1 worthless men8 ,but what shall we be able to say1 7if we do not lay it down that baseness is to be avoided for its own sake71 is the reason why men do not seek darkness and solitude1 and then give the rein to every possible infamy1 except that baseness of itself detects them by reason of its own intrinsic foulness8 ,innumerable arguments may be brought forward to support this opinion2 but it is needless1 for there is nothing which can be less a matter of doubt than that what is honourable ought to be sought for its own sake2 and1 in the same manner1 what is disgraceful ought to be avoided4 ,but after that point is established1 which we have previously mentioned1 that what is honourable is the sole good2 it must unavoidably be understood that that which is honourable1 is to be valued more highly than those intermediate goods which we derive from it4 ,but when we say that folly1 and rashness1 and injustice1 and intemperance are to be avoided on account of those things which result from them1 we do not speak in such a manner that our language is at all inconsistent with the position which has been laid down1 that that alone is evil which is dishonourable4 ,because those things are not referred to any inconvenience of the body1 but to dishonourable actions1 which arise out of vicious propensities 7vitia74 ,for what the ,greeks call ,i prefer translating by vitium rather than by malitia4 ,,xii4 ,certainly2 ,cato1 said ,i1 you are employing very admirable language1 and such as expresses clearly what you mean2 and1 therefore1 you seem to me to be teaching philosophy in ,latin1 and1 as it were1 to be presenting it with the freedom of the city4 ,for up to this time she has seemed like a stranger at ,rome1 and has not put herself in the way of our conversation2 and that1 too1 chiefly because of a certain highly polished thinness of things and words4 ,for ,i am aware that there are some men who are able to philosophise in any language1 but who still employ no divisions and no definitions2 and who say themselves that they approve of those things alone to which nature silently assents4 ,therefore1 they discuss1 without any great degree of labour1 matters which are not very obscure4 ,and1 on this account1 ,i am now prepared to listen eagerly to you1 and to commit to memory all the names which you give to those matters to which this discussion refers4 ,for1 perhaps1 ,i myself may some day have reason to employ them too4 ,you1 then1 appear to me to be perfectly right1 and to be acting in strict accordance with our usual way of speaking1 when you lay it down that there are vices the exact opposites of virtues2 for that which is blameable 7vituperabile7 for its own sake1 ,i think ought1 from that very fact1 to be called a vice2 and perhaps this verb1 vitupero1 is derived from vitium4 ,but if you had translated by malitia17#df7 then the usage of the ,latin language would have limited us to one particular vice2 but1 as it is1 all vice is opposed to all virtue by one generic opposite name4 ,,xiii4 ,then he proceeded3--,after these things1 therefore1 are thus laid down1 there follows a great contest1 which has been handled by the ,peripatetics somewhat too gently1 7for their method of arguing is not sufficiently acute1 owing to their ignorance of dialectics27 but your ,carneades has pressed the matter with great vigour and effect1 displaying in reference to it a most admirable skill in dialectics1 and the most consummate eloquence2 because he has never ceased to contend throughout the whole of this discussion1 which turns upon what is good and what is bad1 that the controversy between the ,stoics and ,peripatetics is not one of things1 but only of names4 ,but1 to me1 nothing appears so evident as that the opinions of these two schools differ from one another far more as to facts than to names2 ,i mean to say1 that there is much greater difference between the ,stoics and ,peripatetics in principle than in language4 ,forasmuch as the ,peripatetics assert that everything which they themselves call good1 has a reference to living happily2 but our school does not think that a happy life necessarily embraces everything which is worthy of any esteem4 ,but can anything be more certain than that1 according to the principles of those men who rank pain among the evils1 a wise man cannot be happy when he is tormented on the rack8 ,while the principles of those who do not consider pain among the evils1 certainly compels us to allow that a happy life is preserved to a wise man among all torments4 ,in truth1 if those men endure pain with greater fortitude who suffer it in the cause of their country1 than those who do so for any slighter object2 then it is plain that it is opinion1 and not nature1 which makes the force of pain greater or less4 ,even that opinion of the ,peripatetics is more than ,i can agree to1 that1 as there are three kinds of goods1 as they say1 each individual is the happier in proportion as he is richer in the goods of the body or external goods1 so that we must be forced also to approve of this doctrine1 that that man is happier who has a greater quantity of those things which are accounted of great value as affecting the body4 ,for they think that a happy life is made complete by bodily advantages2 but there is nothing which our philosophers can so little agree to4 ,for1 as our opinion is that life is not even made in the least more happy by an abundance of those goods which we call goods of nature1 nor more desirable1 nor deserving of being more highly valued1 then certainly a multitude of bodily advantages can have still less effect on making life happy4 ,in truth1 if to be wise be a desirable thing1 and to be well be so too1 then both together must be more desirable than wisdom by itself2 but it does not follow1 if each quality deserves to be esteemed1 that therefore1 the two taken together deserve to be esteemed more highly than wisdom does by itself4 ,for we who consider good health worthy of any esteem1 and yet do not rank it among the goods1 think1 at the same time1 that the esteem to which it is entitled is by no means such as that it ought to be preferred to virtue4 ,but this is not the doctrine of the ,peripatetics2 and they ought to tell us1 that that which is an honourable action and unaccompanied by pain1 is more to be desired than the same action would be if it were attended with pain4 ,we think not3 whether we are right or wrong may be discussed hereafter2 but can there possibly be a greater disagreement respecting facts and principles8 ,,xiv4 ,for as the light of a candle is obscured and put out by the light of the sun2 and as a drop of brine is lost in the magnitude of the gan sea2 or an addition of a penny amid the riches of ,crsus2 or as one step is of no account in a march from here to ,india2 so1 if that is the chief good which the ,stoics affirm is so1 then1 all the goods which depend on the body must inevitably be obscured and overwhelmed by1 and come to nothing when placed by the side of the splendour and importance of virtue4 ,and since opportunity1 7for that is how we may translate 17 is not made greater by extending the time1 7for whatever is said to be opportune has its own peculiar limit27 so a right action1 7for that is how ,i translate 1 and a right deed ,i call 17--a right action1 ,i say1 and suitableness1 and1 in short1 the good itself1 which depends on the fact of its being in accordance with nature1 has no possibility of receiving any addition or growth4 ,for as that opportunity is not made greater by the extension of time1 so neither are these things which ,i have mentioned4 ,and1 on that account1 a happy life does not seem to the ,stoics more desirable or more deserving of being sought after1 if it is long than if it is short2 and they prove this by a simile3--,as the praise of a buskin is to fit the foot exactly1 and as many buskins are not considered to fit better than few1 and large ones are not thought better than small ones2 so1 in the case of those the whole good of which depends upon its suitableness and fitness2 many are not preferred to few1 nor what is durable to what is short-lived4 ,nor do they exhibit sufficient acuteness when they say1 if good health is more to be esteemed when it lasts long than when it lasts only a short time1 then the longest possible enjoyment of wisdom must clearly be of the greatest value4 ,they do not understand that the estimate of good health is formed expressly with reference to its duration2 of virtue with reference to its fitness of time2 so that men who argue in this manner1 seem as if they would speak of a good death1 or a good labour1 and call one which lasted long1 better than a short one4 ,they do not perceive that some things are reckoned of more value in proportion to their brevity2 and some in proportion to their length4 ,therefore1 it is quite consistent with what has been said1 that according to the principles of those who think that that end of goods which we call the extreme or chief good1 is susceptible of growth1 they may also think that one man can be wiser than another2 and1 in like manner then1 one man may sin more1 or act more rightly than another4 ,but such an assertion is not allowable to us1 who do not think the end of goods susceptible of growth4 ,for as men who have been submerged under the water1 cannot breathe any more because they are at no great depth below the surface1 7though they may on this account be able at times to emerge17 than if they were at the bottom1 nor can the puppy who is nearly old enough to see1 as yet see any more than one who is but this moment born2 so the man who has made some progress towards the approach to virtue1 is no less in a state of misery than he who has made no such advance at all4 ,,xv4 ,i am aware that all this seems very strange4 ,but as unquestionably the previous propositions are true and uncontrovertible1 and as these others are in harmony with1 and are the direct consequences of them2 we cannot question their truth also4 ,but although some people deny that either virtues or vices are susceptible of growth1 still they believe that each of them is in some degree diffused1 and as it were extended4 ,but ,diogenes thinks that riches have not only such power1 that they are1 as it were1 guides to pleasure and to good health1 but that they even contain them3 but that they have not the same power with regard to virtue1 or to the other arts to which money may indeed be a guide1 but which it cannot contain4 ,therefore1 if pleasure or if good health be among the goods1 riches also must be classed among the goods2 but if wisdom be a good1 it does not follow that we are also to call riches a good2 nor can that which is classed among the goods be contained by anything which is not placed in the same classification4 ,and on that account1 because the knowledge and comprehension of those things by which arts are produced1 excite a desire for them1 as riches are not among the goods1 therefore no art can be contained in riches4 ,but if we grant this to be true with respect to arts1 still it is not to follow that the same rule holds good with respect to virtue2 because virtue requires a great deal of meditation and practice1 and this is not always the case with arts2 and also because virtue embraces the stability1 firmness1 and consistency of the entire life2 and we do not see that the same is the case with arts4 ,after this1 we come to explain the differences between things4 ,and if we were to say that there is none1 then all life would be thrown into confusion1 as it is by ,aristo4 ,nor could any office or work be found for wisdom1 if there were actually no difference between one thing and another1 and if there were no power of selection at all requisite to be exerted4 ,therefore1 after it had been sufficiently established that that alone was good which was honourable1 and that alone evil which was disgraceful1 they asserted that there were some particulars in which those things which had no influence on the misery or happiness of life1 differed from one another1 so that some of them deserved to be esteemed1 some to be despised1 and others were indifferent4 ,but as to those things which deserved to be esteemed1 some of them had in themselves sufficient reason for being preferred to others1 as good health1 soundness of the senses1 freedom from pain1 glory1 riches1 and similar things4 ,but others were not of this kind4 ,and in like manner1 as to those things which were worthy of no esteem at all1 some had cause enough in themselves why they should be rejected1 such as pain1 disease1 loss of senses1 poverty1 ignominy1 and things like them1 and some had not4 ,and thus1 from this distinction1 came what ,zeno called 1 and on the other hand what he called 1 as though writing in so copious a language1 he chose to employ new terms of his own invention2 a license which is not allowed to us in this barren language of ours2 although you often insist that it is richer than the ,greek4 ,but it is not foreign to our present subject1 in order that the meaning of the word may be more easily understood1 to explain the principle on which ,zeno invented these terms4 ,,xvi4 ,for as1 says he1 no one in a king's palace says that the king is1 as it were1 led forward towards his dignity 7for that is the real meaning of the word 1 but the term is applied to those who are of some rank whose order comes next to his1 so as to be second to the kingly dignity72 so in life too1 it is not those things which are in the first rank1 but those which are in the second which are called 1 or led forward4 ,and we may translate the ,greek by productum 7this will be a strictly literal translation71 or we may call it and its opposite promotum and remotum1 or as we have said before1 we may call 1 prpositum or prcipuum1 and its opposite rejectum4 ,for when the thing is understood1 we ought to be very ductile as to the words which we employ4 ,but since we say that everything which is good holds the first rank1 it follows inevitably that this which we call prcipuum or prpositum1 must be neither good nor bad4 ,and therefore we define it as something indifferent1 attended with a moderate esteem4 ,for that which they call 1 it occurs to me to translate indifferens4 ,nor1 indeed1 was it at all possible that there should be nothing left intermediate1 which was either according to nature or contrary to it2 nor1 when that was left1 that there should be nothing ranked in this class which was tolerably estimable2 nor1 if this position were once established1 that there should not be some things which are preferred4 ,this distinction1 then1 has been made with perfect propriety1 and this simile is employed by them to make the truth more easily seen4 ,for as1 say they1 if we were to suppose this to be1 as it were1 the end and greatest of goods1 to throw a die in such a manner that it should stand upright1 then the die which is thrown in such a manner as to fall upright1 will have some particular thing preferred as its end1 and vice vers4 ,and yet that preference of the die will have no reference to the end of which ,i have been speaking4 ,so those things which have been preferred are referred indeed to the end1 but have no reference at all to its force or nature4 ,next comes that division1 that of goods some have reference to that end 7for so ,i express those which they call 1 for we must here1 as we have said before1 endure to express in many words1 what we cannot express by one so as to be thoroughly intelligible17 some are efficient causes1 and some are both together4 ,but of those which have reference to that end1 nothing is good except honourable actions2 of those which are efficient causes1 nothing is good except a friend4 ,but they assert that wisdom is both a referential and an efficient good4 ,for1 because wisdom is suitable action1 it is of that referential character which ,i have mentioned2 but inasmuch as it brings and causes honourable actions1 it may be so far called efficient4 ,,xvii4 ,now these things which we have spoken of as preferred1 are preferred some for their own sake1 some because they effect something else1 and some for both reasons4 ,some are preferred for their own sake1 such as some particular appearance or expression of countenance1 some particular kind of gait1 or motion1 in which there are some things which may well be preferred1 and some which may be rejected4 ,others are said to be preferred because they produce something1 as money2 and others for a combination of both reasons1 as soundness of the senses1 or good health4 ,but respecting good reputation1 7for what they call is more properly called1 in this place1 good reputation than glory17 ,chrysippus and ,diogenes denied its whole utility1 and used to say that one ought not even to put forth a finger for the sake of it1 with whom ,i entirely and heartily agree4 ,but those who came after them1 being unable to withstand the arguments of ,carneades1 said that this good reputation1 as ,i call it1 was preferred for its own sake1 and ought to be chosen for its own sake1 and that it was natural for a man of good family1 who had been properly brought up1 to wish to be praised by his parents1 his relations1 and by good men in general1 and that too for the sake of the praise itself1 and not of any advantage which might ensue from it4 ,and they say1 too1 that as we wish to provide for our children1 even for such as may be posthumous children1 for their own sake1 so we ought also to show a regard for posthumous fame after our death1 for its own sake1 without any thought of gain or advantage4 ,but as we assert that what is honourable is the only good1 still it is consistent with this assertion to discharge one's duty1 though we do not class duty among either the goods or the evils4 ,for there is in these things some likelihood1 and that of such a nature that reasons can be alleged for there being such2 and therefore of such a nature1 that probable reasons may be adduced for adopting such a line of conduct4 ,from which it follows that duty is a sort of neutral thing1 which is not to be classed either among the goods or among the opposites of goods4 ,and since1 in those things which are neither ranked among the virtues nor among the vices1 there is still something which may be of use2 that is not to be destroyed4 ,for there is a certain action of that sort1 and that too of such a character that reason requires one to do and perform it4 ,but that which is done in obedience to reason we call duty2 duty1 then1 is a thing of that sort1 that it must not be ranked either among the goods or among the opposites of goods4 ,,xviii4 ,and this also is evident1 that in these natural things the wise man is not altogether inactive4 ,he therefore1 when he acts1 judges that that is his duty2 and because he is never deceived in forming his judgment1 duty must be classed among neutral things2 and this is proved also by this conclusion of reason4 ,for since we see that there is something which we pronounce to have been rightly done 7for that is duty when accomplished71 there must also be something which is rightly begun3 as1 if to restore what has been justly deposited belongs to the class of right actions1 then it must be classed among the duties to restore a deposit2 and the addition of the word 8justly0 makes the duty to be rightly performed3 but the mere fact of restoring is classed as a duty4 ,and since it is not doubtful1 that in those things which we call intermediate or neutral1 some ought to be chosen and others rejected1 whatever is done or said in this manner comes under the head of ordinary duty4 ,and from this it is understood1 since all men naturally love themselves1 that a fool is as sure as a wise man to choose what is in accordance with nature1 and to reject what is contrary to it2 and so there is one duty in common both to wise men and to fools2 from which it follows that duty is conversant about those things which we call neutral4 ,but since all duties proceed from these things1 it is not without reason that it is said that all our thoughts are referred to these things1 and among them our departure from life1 and our remaining in life4 ,for he in whom there are many things which are in accordance with nature1 his duty it is to remain in life2 but as to the man in whom there either is or appears likely to be a preponderance of things contrary to nature1 that man's duty is to depart from life4 ,from which consideration it is evident1 that it is sometimes the duty of a wise man to depart from life when he is happy1 and sometimes the duty of a fool to remain in life though he is miserable4 ,for that good and that evil1 as has been often said1 comes afterwards4 ,but those principal natural goods1 and those which hold the second rank1 and those things which are opposite to them1 all come under the decision of1 and are matters for the reflection of the wise man2 and are1 as it were1 the subject matter of wisdom4 ,therefore the question of remaining in life1 or of emigrating from it1 is to be measured by all those circumstances which ,i have mentioned above2 for death is not to be sought for by those men who are retained in life by virtue1 nor by those who are destitute of virtue4 ,but it is often the duty of a wise man to depart from life1 when he is thoroughly happy1 if it is in his power to do so opportunely2 and that is living in a manner suitable to nature1 for their maxim is1 that living happily depends upon opportunity4 ,therefore a rule is laid down by wisdom1 that if it be necessary a wise man is even to leave her herself4 ,wherefore1 as vice has not such power as to afford a justifying cause for voluntary death1 it is evident that it is the duty even of fools1 and of those too who are miserable1 to remain in life1 if they are surrounded by a preponderance of those things which we call according to nature4 ,and since such a man is equally miserable1 whether departing from life1 or abiding in it1 and since the duration of misery is not any the more a cause for fleeing from life1 therefore it is not a causeless assertion1 that those men who have the power of enjoying the greatest number of natural goods1 ought to abide in life4 ,,xix4 ,but they think it is very important with reference to this subject1 that it should be understood that it is the work of nature1 that children are beloved by their parents2 and that this is the first principle from which we may trace the whole progress of the common society of the human race4 ,and that this may be inferred1 in the first place1 from the figure and members of the body1 which of themselves declare that a due regard for everything connected with generation has been exhibited by nature2 nor can these two things possibly be consistent with one another1 that nature should desire that offspring should be propagated1 and yet take no care that what is propagated should be loved4 ,but even in beasts the power of nature may be discerned2 for when we see such labour bestowed upon the bringing forth and bearing of their offspring1 we seem to be hearing the voice of nature herself4 ,wherefore1 as it is evident that we are by nature averse to pain2 so also it is clear that we are impelled by nature herself to love those whose existence we have caused4 ,and from this it arises that there is such a recommendation by nature of one man to another1 that one man ought never to appear unfriendly to another1 for the simple reason that he is a man4 ,for as among the limbs some appear to be created for themselves as it were1 as the eyes and ears2 others assist the rest of the limbs1 as the legs and hands2 so there are some monstrous beasts born for themselves alone3 but that fish which floats in an open shell and is called the pinna1 and that other which swims out of the shell1 and1 because it is a guard to the other1 is called the pinnoteres1 and when it has withdrawn within the shell again1 is shut up in it1 so that it appears that it has given it warning to be on its guard2 and also ants1 and bees1 and storks1 do something for the sake of others4 ,much more is this the case with reference to the union of men4 ,and therefore we are by nature adapted for companionship1 for taking counsel together1 for forming states4 ,but they think that this world is regulated by the wisdom of the gods1 and that it is1 as it were1 a common city and state of men and gods1 and that every individual of us is a part of the world4 ,from which that appears to follow by nature1 that we should prefer the general advantage to our own4 ,for as the laws prefer the general safety to that of individuals1 so a good and wise man1 and one who obeys the laws and who is not ignorant of his duty as a citizen1 consults the general advantage rather than that of any particular individual1 or even than his own4 ,nor is a betrayer of his country more to be blamed1 than one who deserts the general advantage or the general safety on account of his own private advantage or safety4 ,from which it also follows1 that that man deserves to be praised who encounters death voluntarily for the sake of the republic1 because it is right that the republic should be dearer to us than ourselves4 ,and since it is said to be a wicked thing1 and contrary to human nature1 for a man to say that he would not care if1 after his own death1 a general conflagration of the whole world were to happen1 which is often uttered in a ,greek7#dg7 verse2 so it is certainly true that we ought to consult the interests of those who are to come after us1 for the sake of the love which we bear them4 ,,xx4 ,it is in this disposition of mind that wills1 and the recommendations of dying persons1 have originated4 ,and because no one would like to pass his life in solitude1 not even if surrounded with an infinite abundance of pleasures1 it is easily perceived that we are born for communion and fellowship with man1 and for natural associations4 ,but we are impelled by nature to wish to benefit as many persons as possible1 especially by instructing them and delivering them precepts of prudence4 ,therefore1 it is not easy to find a man who does not communicate to some other what he knows himself2 so prone are we not only to learn1 but also to teach4 ,and as the principle is by nature implanted in bulls to fight in behalf of their calves with the greatest vigour and earnestness1 even against lions2 so those who are rich or powerful1 and are able to do so1 are excited by nature to preserve the race of mankind1 as we have heard by tradition was the case with ,hercules and ,libera4 ,and also when we call ,jupiter all-powerful and all-good1 and likewise when we speak of him as the salutary god1 the hospitable god1 or as ,stator1 we mean it to be understood that the safety of men is under his protection4 ,but it is very inconsistent1 when we are disregarded and despised by one another1 to entreat1 that we may be dear to and beloved by the immortal gods4 ,as1 therefore1 we make use of our limbs before we have learnt the exact advantage with a view to which we are endowed with them1 so also we are united and associated by nature in a community of fellow-citizens4 ,and if this were not the case1 there would be no room for either justice or benevolence4 ,and as men think that there are bonds of right which connect man with man1 so also there is no law which connects man with the beasts4 ,for well did ,chrysippus say1 that all other animals have been born for the sake of men and of the gods2 but that men and gods have been born only for the sake of their own mutual communion and society1 so that men might be able to use beasts for their own advantage without any violation of law or right4 ,and since the nature of man is such that he has1 as it were1 a sort of right of citizenship connecting him with the whole human race1 a man who maintains that right is just1 and he who departs from it is unjust4 ,but as1 although a theatre is publicly open1 still it may be fairly said that the place which each individual has occupied belongs to him2 so in a city1 or in the world1 which is likewise common to all1 there is no principle of right which hinders each individual from having his own private property4 ,but since we see that man has been born for the purpose of defending and preserving men1 so it is consistent with this nature that a wise man should wish to manage and regulate the republic2 and1 in order to live in compliance with nature1 to marry a wife and beget children4 ,nor do philosophers think virtuous love inconsistent with a wise man4 ,but others say that the principles and life of the ,cynics are more suited to a wise man2 if1 indeed1 any chance should befal him which might compel him to act in such a manner2 while others wholly deny it4 ,,xxi4 ,but in order that the society1 and union1 and affection between man and man may be completely preserved1 they have laid it down that all benefits and injuries1 which they call and 1 are likewise common2 of which the former are advantageous1 and the latter injurious4 ,nor have they been contented with calling them common1 but they have also asserted their equality4 ,but as for disadvantages and advantages1 7by which words ,i translate and 17 those they assert to be common1 but they deny that they are equal4 ,for those things which profit or which injure are either good or evil2 and they must necessarily be equal4 ,but advantages and disadvantages are of that kind which we have already called things preferred or rejected2 and they cannot be equal4 ,but advantages are said to be common2 but things done rightly1 and sins1 are not considered common4 ,but they think that friendship is to be cultivated because it is one of that class of things which is profitable4 ,but although1 in friendship1 some people assert that the interest of a man's friend is as dear to him as his own2 others1 on the other hand1 contend that every man has a greater regard for his own4 ,yet these latter confess that it is inconsistent with justice1 for which we seem to be born1 to take anything from another for the purpose of appropriating it to oneself4 ,but philosophers of this school which ,i am speaking of1 never approve of either friendship or justice being exercised or sanctioned for the sake of its usefulness3 for they say that the same principles of usefulness may1 at times1 undermine or overturn them4 ,in truth1 neither justice nor friendship can have any existence at all1 unless they be sought for their own sake4 ,they contend also that all right1 which has any pretence to the name and appellation1 is so by nature2 and that it is inconsistent with the character of a wise man1 not only to do any injustice to any one1 but even to do him any damage4 ,nor is it right to make such a league with one's friends as to share in all their good deeds1 or to become a partner in every act of injustice2 and they argue1 with the greatest dignity and truth1 that justice can never be separated from usefulness3 and that whatever is just and equitable is also honourable2 and1 reciprocally1 that whatever is honourable must be also just and equitable4 ,and to those virtues which we have discussed1 they also add dialectics and natural philosophy2 and they call both these sciences by the name of virtues3 one1 because it has reason1 so as to prevent our assenting to any false proposition1 or being even deceived by any plausible probability2 and to enable us to maintain and defend what we were saying about good and evil4 ,for without this act they think that any one may be led away from the truth and deceived2 accordingly1 if rashness and ignorance is in every case vicious1 this power which removes them is properly named virtue4 ,,xxii4 ,the same honour is also attributed to natural philosophy1 and not without reason1 because the man who wishes to live in a manner suitable to nature1 must begin by studying the universal world1 and the laws which govern it4 ,nor can any one form a correct judgment of good and evil without being acquainted with the whole system of nature1 and of the life of the gods also1 and without knowing whether or not the nature of man agrees with universal nature4 ,he must also have learnt the ancient rules of those wise men who bid men yield to the times1 and obey ,god1 and know oneself1 and shun every kind of excess4 ,now1 without a knowledge of natural philosophy1 no man can see what great power these rules have2 and it is as great as can be3 and also this is the only knowledge which can teach a man how greatly nature assists in the cultivation of justice1 in the maintenance of friendship and the rest of the affections4 ,nor can piety towards the ,gods1 nor the gratitude which is due to them1 be properly understood and appreciated without a correct understanding of the laws of nature4 ,but ,i feel now that ,i have advanced further than ,i had intended1 or than the subject before me required4 ,but the admirable arrangement of the ,stoic doctrine1 and the incredible beauty of the system1 drew me on4 ,and1 in the name of the immortal gods6 can you forbear to admire it8 ,for what is there in all nature--though nothing is better or more accurately adapted to its ends than that--or what can be found in any work made by the hand1 so well arranged1 and united1 and put together8 ,what is there which is posterior1 which does not agree with what has preceded it8 ,what is there which follows1 and does not correspond to what has gone before8 ,what is there which is not connected with something else in such a manner1 that if you only move one letter the whole will fall to pieces8 ,nor1 indeed1 is there anything which can be moved4 ,but what a grand and magnificent and consistent character is that of the wise man which is drawn by them6 ,for he1 after reason has taught him that that which is honourable is alone good1 must inevitably be always happy1 and must have a genuine right to those names which are often ridiculed by the ignorant4 ,for he will be more properly called king than ,tarquin1 who was able to govern neither himself nor his family2 he will deserve to be called the master of the people more than ,sylla1 who was only the master of three pestiferous vices1 luxury1 avarice1 and cruelty2 he will be called rich more properly than ,crassus1 who would never have desired to cross the ,euphrates without any legitimate cause for war1 if he had not been in want of something4 ,everything will be properly said to belong to that man1 who alone knows how to make use of everything4 ,he will also rightly be called beautiful1 for the features of the mind are more beautiful than those of the body3 he will deservedly be called the only free man1 who is neither subject to the domination of any one1 nor subservient to his own passions4 ,he will fairly be called invincible1 on whose mind1 even though his body be bound with chains1 no fetters can ever be imposed4 ,nor will he wait till the last period of his life1 so as to have it decided whether he has been happy or not1 after he has come to the last day of life and closed his eyes in death1 in the spirit of the warning which one of the wise men gave to ,crsus1 without showing much wisdom in so doing4 ,for if he had ever been happy1 then he would have borne his happy life with him1 even as far as the funeral pile built for him by ,cyrus4 ,but if it be true that no one except a good man is happy1 and that all good men are happy1 then what deserves to be cultivated more than philosophy1 or what is more divine than virtue8 ,fourth ,book ,of ,the ,treatise ,on ,the ,chief ,good ,and ,evil4 ,i4 ,and when he had made an end of saying these things1 ,i replied1 ,truly1 ,o ,cato1 you have displayed a wonderful memory in explaining to us such a number of things1 and in laying such obscure things so clearly before us4 ,so that we must either give up having any meaning or wish contrary to what you have said1 or else we must take time to deliberate3 for it is not easy to learn thoroughly the principles of a school which has not only had its foundation laid1 but which has even been built up with such diligence1 although perhaps with some errors as to its truth1 7which1 however1 ,i will not as yet dare to affirm17 but at all events with such care and accuracy4 ,then1 said he1 is that what you say1 when ,i have seen you1 in obedience to this new law1 reply to the prosecutor on the same day on which he has brought forward his charge1 and sum up for three hours2 and then do you think that ,i am going to allow an adjournment in this cause8 which1 however1 will not be conducted by you better than those which are at times entrusted to you4 ,wherefore1 ,i desire that you will now apply yourself to this one1 especially as it has been handled by others1 and also by yourself several times2 so that you cannot be at a loss for arguments or language4 ,i replied1 ,i do not1 in truth1 venture to argue inconsiderately against the ,stoics1 not because ,i agree with them in any great degree1 but ,i am hindered by shame2 because they say so much that ,i hardly understand4 ,i confess1 said he1 that some of our arguments are obscure2 not that we make them so on purpose1 but because there is some obscurity in the subjects themselves4 ,why1 then1 said ,i1 when the ,peripatetics discuss the same subjects1 does not a single word occur which is not well understood8 ,do they discuss the same subjects8 said he2 or have ,i failed to prove to you that the ,stoics differ from the ,peripatetics1 not in words only1 but in the whole of the subject1 and in every one of their opinions8 ,but1 said ,i1 if1 ,o ,cato1 you can establish that1 ,i will allow you to carry me over1 body and soul1 to your school4 ,i did think1 said he1 that ,i had said enough on that point2 wherefore answer me on that head first1 if you please2 and afterwards you can advance what arguments you please4 ,i do not think it too much1 said ,i1 if ,i claim to answer you on that topic as ,i myself please4 ,as you will1 said he2 for although the other way would have been more common1 yet it is only fair to allow every one to adopt his own method4 ,,ii4 ,i think1 then1 said ,i1 ,o ,cato1 that those ancient pupils of ,plato1 ,speusippus1 ,aristotle and ,xenocrates1 and afterwards their pupils1 ,polemo and ,theophrastus1 had a system laid down with sufficient richness and eloquence of language2 so that ,zeno had no reason1 after having been a pupil of ,polemo1 for deserting him and his predecessors who had established this school4 ,and in this school ,i should like you to observe what you think ought to be changed1 and not to wait while ,i am replying to everything which has been said by you4 ,for ,i think that ,i must contend with the whole of their system1 against the whole of yours4 ,and as these men said that we are born with the view of being generally well adapted to those virtues which are well known and conspicuous1 ,i mean justice and temperance1 and others of the same kind1 all which resemble the other arts1 and differ only for the better in their subject matter and way of handling2--and as they saw that we desired those very virtues in a somewhat magnificent and ardent spirit2 and that we had also a certain instruction1 or1 ,i should rather say1 innate desire of knowledge2 and that we were born for companionship with men1 and for society and communion with the human race1 and that these qualities are most conspicuous in the greatest geniuses2--they divided all philosophy into three parts2 and we see that this same division was retained by ,zeno3 and as one of these parts is that by which the manners are thought to be formed1 ,i postpone the consideration of that part1 which is1 as it were1 the foundation of this question4 ,for what is the chief good ,i will discuss presently2 but at this moment ,i only say that that topic which ,i think we shall be right in calling the civil one1 and which the ,greeks call 1 has been treated of in a dignified and copious manner by the ancient ,peripatetics and ,academicians who1 agreeing in parts1 differed from one another only in words4 ,,iii4 ,how many books have these men written on the republic6 how many on laws6 ,how many precepts in art1 and1 more than that1 how many instances of good speaking in orations have they bequeathed to us6 ,for1 in the first place1 they said with the greatest degree of polish and fitness those very things which were to be argued in a subtle manner1 laying down both definitions and divisions3 as your friends have also done3 but you have done it in a more shabby manner2 while you see how brilliant their language is4 ,in the second place1 with what splendid language have they adorned that part of the subject which required ornate and impressive eloquence6 how gloriously have they illustrated it6 discussing justice1 and fortitude1 and friendship1 and the method of passing life1 and philosophy1 and the government of the state1 and temperance1 not like men picking out thorns1 like the ,stoics1 or laying bare the bones1 but like men who knew how to handle great subjects elegantly1 and lesser ones clearly4 ,what1 therefore1 are their consolations8 ,what are their exhortations8 ,what also are their warnings and advice written to the most eminent men8 ,for their practice in speaking was1 like the nature of the things themselves1 of a two-fold character4 ,for whatever is made a question of1 contains a controversy either as to the genus itself1 without reference to persons or times2 or else1 with these additions1 a dispute as to the fact1 or the right1 or the name4 ,and therefore1 they exercised themselves in both kinds2 and that discipline it was which produced that great copiousness of eloquence among them in both kinds of argumentation4 ,now ,zeno1 and those who imitated him1 were either unable to do much in this kind of argument1 or else were unwilling1 or at all events they did not do it4 ,although ,cleanthes wrote a treatise on the art of rhetoric1 and so too did ,chrysippus1 but still in such a manner1 that if any one were to wish to be silent1 he ought to read nothing else4 ,therefore you see how they speak4 ,they invent new words--they abandon old established terms4 ,but what great attempts do they make8 ,they say that this universal world is our town2 accordingly1 this excites those who hear such a statement4 ,you see1 now1 how great a business you are undertaking2 to make a man who lives at ,circeii believe that this universal world is merely a town for himself to live in4 ,what will be the end of this8 ,shall he set fire to it8 ,he will rather extinguish it1 if he has received it on fire4 ,the next thing said is that list of titles which you briefly enumerated1--king1 dictator1 rich man1 the only wise man2 words poured out by you decorously and roundly3 they well might be1 for you have learnt them from the orators4 ,but how vague and unsubstantial are those speeches about the power of virtue6 which they make out to be so great that it can1 by itself1 secure the happiness of man4 ,they prick us with narrow little bits of questions as with pins2 and those who assent to them are not at all changed in their minds1 and go away the same as they came3 for matters which are perhaps true1 and which certainly are important1 are not handled as they ought to be1 but in a more minute and petty manner4 ,,iv4 ,the next thing is the principle of arguing1 and the knowledge of nature4 ,for we will examine the chief good presently1 as ,i said before1 and apply the whole discussion to the explanation of it4 ,there was1 then1 in those two parts nothing which ,zeno wished to alter4 ,for the whole thing1 in both its divisions1 is in an excellent state2 for what has been omitted by the ancients in that kind of argument which is of influence in discussion8 ,for they have both given many definitions1 and have bequeathed to us titles for defining2 and that important addition to definition1 ,i mean the dividing of the subject into parts1 is both done by them1 and they have also left us rules to enable us to do so too2 and ,i may say the same of contraries2 from which they came to genera1 and to the forms of genera4 ,now1 they make those things which they call evident1 the beginning of an argument concluded by reason3 then they follow an orderly arrangement2 and the conclusion at last shows what is true in the separate propositions4 ,but what a great variety of arguments1 which lead to conclusions according to reason1 do they give us1 and how dissimilar are they to captious questions6 ,what shall we say of their denouncing1 as it were1 in many places1 that we ought neither entirely to trust our senses when unsupported by reason1 nor reason when unsupported by our senses2 but that1 at the same time1 we ought to keep the line between the two clearly marked8 ,what shall ,i say more8 ,were not all the precepts which the dialecticians now deliver and teach1 originally discovered and established by them8 ,and although they were very much elaborated by ,chrysippus1 still they were much less practised by ,zeno than by the ancients4 ,and there were several things in which he did not improve on the ancients2 and some which he never touched at all4 ,and as there are two arts by which reason and oratory are brought to complete perfection1 one that of discovering1 the other that of arguing1--both the ,stoics and ,peripatetics have handed us down this latter1 but the ,peripatetics alone have given us rules for the former1 while the ,stoics have altogether avoided it4 ,for the men of your school never even suspected the places from which arguments might be drawn as out of magazines2 but the ,peripatetics taught a regular system and method4 ,and the consequence is1 that it is not necessary for one now to be always repeating a sort of dictated lesson on the same subject1 or to be afraid to go beyond one's note-books3 for he who knows where everything is placed1 and how he can arrive at it1 even if anything be completely buried1 will be able to dig it up1 and will always have his wits about him in every discussion4 ,and although men who are endowed with great abilities1 attain to a certain copiousness of eloquence without any definite principles of oratory1 still art is a surer guide than nature4 ,for it is one thing to pour out words after the fashion of poets1 and another to distinguish on settled principles and rules all that you say4 ,v4 ,similar things may be said about the explanation of natural philosophy1 which both the ,peripatetics and ,stoics apply themselves to2 and that not on two accounts only1 as ,epicurus thinks1 namely1 to get rid of the fears of death and of religion2 but besides this1 the knowledge of heavenly things imparts some degree of modesty to those who see what great moderation and what admirable order there is likewise among the gods3 it inspires them also with magnanimity when they contemplate the arts and works of the gods2 and justice1 too1 when they come to know how great is the power and wisdom1 and what the will is also1 of the supreme ruler and master of the world1 whose reason1 in accordance with nature1 is called by philosophers the true and supreme law4 ,there is in the same study of nature1 an insatiable kind of pleasure derived from the knowledge of things2 the only pleasure in which1 when all our necessary actions are performed1 and when we are free from business1 we can live honourably1 and as becomes free men4 ,therefore1 in the whole of this ratiocination on subjects of the very highest importance1 the ,stoics have for the most part followed the ,peripatetics2 so far at all events as to admit that there are gods1 and to assert that everything consists of one of four elements4 ,but when an exceedingly difficult question was proposed1 namely1 whether there did not seem to be a sort of fifth nature from which reason and intelligence sprang2 7in which question another was involved respecting the mind1 as to what class that belonged to27 ,zeno said that it was fire2 and then he said a few more things--very few1 in a novel manner2 but concerning the most important point of all1 he spoke in the same way1 asserting that the universal world1 and all its most important parts1 were regulated by the divine intellect and nature of the gods4 ,but as for the matter and richness of facts1 we shall find the ,stoics very poorly off1 but the ,peripatetics very rich4 ,what numbers of facts have been investigated and accumulated by them with respect to the genus1 and birth1 and limbs1 and age of all kinds of animals6 and in like manner with respect to those things which are produced out of the earth6 ,how many causes have they developed1 and in what numerous cases1 why everything is done1 and what numerous demonstrations have they laid open how everything is done6 ,and from this copiousness of theirs most abundant and undeniable arguments are derived for the explanation of the nature of everything4 ,therefore1 as far as ,i understand1 there is no necessity at all for any change of name4 ,for it does not follow that1 though he may have differed from the ,peripatetics in some points1 he did not arise out of them4 ,and ,i1 indeed1 consider ,epicurus1 as far as his natural philosophy is concerned1 as only another ,democritus3 he alters very few of his doctrines2 and ,i should think him so even if he had changed more3 but in numerous instances1 and certainly on all the most important points1 he coincides with him exactly4 ,and though the men of your school do this1 they do not show sufficient gratitude to the original discoverers4 ,,vi4 ,but enough of this4 ,let us now1 ,i beg1 consider the chief good1 which contains all philosophy1 and see whether ,zeno has brought forward any reason for dissenting from the original discoverers and parents of it1 as ,i may call them4 ,while speaking1 then1 on this topic--although1 ,cato1 this summit of goods1 which contains all philosophy1 has been carefully explained by you1 and though you have told us what is considered so by the ,stoics1 and in what sense it is called so--yet ,i also will give my explanation1 in order that we may see clearly1 if we can1 what new doctrine has been introduced into the question by ,zeno4 ,for as preceding philosophers1 and ,polemo most explicitly of all1 had said that the chief good was to live according to nature1 the ,stoics say that three things are signified by these words3 one1 that a man should live exercising a knowledge of those things which happen by nature2 and they say that this is the chief good of ,zeno1 who declares1 as has been said by you1 that it consists in living in a manner suitable to nature3 the second meaning is much the same as if it were said that a man ought to live attending to all1 or nearly all1 the natural and intermediate duties4 ,but this1 when explained in this manner1 is different from the former4 ,for the former is right1 which you called 1 and it happens to the wise man alone2 but this is only a duty which is begun and not perfected1 and this may happen to some who are far from being wise3 the third is that a man should live1 enjoying all things1 or at least all the most important things which are according to nature2 but this does not always depend on ourselves1 for it is perfected both out of that kind of life which is bounded by virtue1 and out of those things which are according to nature1 and which are not in our own power4 ,but this chief good1 which is understood in the third signification of the definition1 and that life which is passed in conformity with that good1 can happen to the wise man alone1 because virtue is connected with it4 ,and that summit of good1 as we see it expressed by the ,stoics themselves1 was laid down by ,xenocrates and by ,aristotle2 and so that first arrangement of the principles of nature1 with which you also began1 is explained by them in almost these very words4 ,,vii4 ,all nature desires to be a preserver of itself1 in order that it may be both safe itself1 and that it may be preserved in its kind4 ,they say that for this end arts have been invented to assist nature1 among which that is accounted one of the most important which is the art of living so as to defend what has been given by nature1 and to acquire what is wanting2 and1 at the same time1 they have divided the nature of man into mind and body4 ,and1 as they said that each of these things was desirable for its own sake1 so also they said that the virtues of each of them were desirable for their own sake4 ,but when they extolled the mind with boundless praises1 and preferred it to the body1 they at the same time preferred the virtues of the mind to the goods of the body4 ,but1 as they asserted that wisdom was the guardian and regulator of the entire man1 being the companion and assistant of nature1 they said that the especial office of wisdom was to defend the being who consisted of mind and body1--to assist him and support him in each particular4 ,and so1 the matter being first laid down simply1 pursuing the rest of the argument with more subtlety1 they thought that the goods of the body admitted of an easy explanation1 but they inquired more accurately into those of the mind4 ,and1 first of all1 they found out that they contained the seeds of justice2 and they were the first of all philosophers to teach that the principle that those which were the offspring should be beloved by their parents1 was implanted in all animals by nature2 and they said1 also1 that that which precedes the birth of offspring1 in point of time1--namely1 the marriage of men and women1--was a bond of union suggested by nature1 and that this was the root from which the friendships between relations sprang4 ,and1 beginning with these first principles1 they proceeded to investigate the origin and progress of all the virtues2 by which course a great magnanimity was engendered1 enabling them easily to resist and withstand fortune1 because the most important events were in the power of the wise man2 and a life conducted according to the precepts of the ancient philosophers was easily superior to all the changes and injuries of fortune4 ,but when these foundations had been laid by nature1 certain great increases of good were produced1--some arising from the contemplation of more secret things1 because there is a love of knowledge innate in the mind1 in which also the fondness for explaining principles and for discussing them originates2 and because man is the only animal which has any share of shame or modesty2 and because he also covets union and society with other men1 and takes pains in everything which he does or says1 that he may do nothing which is not honourable and becoming2--these foundations being1 as ,i have said1 implanted in us by nature like so many seeds1 temperance1 and modesty1 and justice1 and all virtue1 was brought to complete perfection4 ,,viii4 ,you here1 ,o ,cato1 have a sketch of the philosophers of whom ,i am speaking2 and1 now that ,i have given you this1 ,i wish to know what reason there is why ,zeno departed from their established system2 and which of all their doctrines it was that he disapproved of8 ,did he object to their calling all nature a preserver of itself8--or to their saying that every animal was naturally fond of itself1 so as to wish to be safe and uninjured in its kind8--or1 as the end of all arts is to arrive at what nature especially requires1 did he think that the same principle ought to be laid down with respect to the art of the entire life8--or1 since we consist of mind and body1 did he think that these and their excellences ought to be chosen for their own sakes8--or was he displeased with the preeminence which is attributed by the ,peripatetics to the virtue of the mind8--or did he object to what they said about prudence1 and the knowledge of things1 and the union of the human race1 and temperance1 and modesty1 and magnanimity1 and honourableness in general8 ,the ,stoics must confess that all these things were excellently explained by the others1 and that they gave no reason to ,zeno for deserting their school4 ,they must allege some other excuse4 ,i suppose they will say that the errors of the ancients were very great1 and that he1 being desirous of investigating the truth1 could by no means endure them4 ,for what can be more perverse--what can be more intolerable1 or more stupid1 than to place good health1 and freedom from all pain1 and soundness of the eyes and the rest of the senses1 among the goods1 instead of saying that there is no difference at all between them and their contraries8 ,for that all those things which the ,peripatetics called goods1 were only things preferable1 not good4 ,and also that the ancients had been very foolish when they said that these excellences of the body were desirable for their own sake3 they were to be accepted1 but not to be desired4 ,and the same might be said of all the other circumstances of life1 which consists of nothing but virtue alone1--that that life which is rich also in the other things which are according to nature is not more to be desired on that account1 but only more to be accepted2 and1 though virtue itself makes life so happy that a man cannot be happier1 still something is wanting to wise men1 even when they are most completely happy2 and that they labour to repel pain1 disease1 and debility4 ,,ix4 ,oh1 what a splendid force is there in such genius1 and what an excellent reason is this for setting up a new school6 ,go on2 for it will follow1--and1 indeed1 you have most learnedly adopted the principle1--that all folly1 and all injustice1 and all other vices are alike1 and that all errors are equal2 and that those who have made great progress1 through natural philosophy and learning1 towards virtue1 if they have not arrived at absolute perfection in it1 are completely miserable1 and that there is no difference between their life and that of the most worthless of men1--as ,plato1 that greatest of men1 if he was not thoroughly wise1 lived no better1 and in no respect more happily1 than the most worthless of men4 ,this is1 forsooth1 the ,stoic correction and improvement of the old philosophy2 but it can never find any entrance into the city1 or the forum1 or the senate-house4 ,for who could endure to hear a man1 who professed to be a teacher of how to pass life with dignity and wisdom1 speaking in such a manner--altering the names of things2 and though he was in reality of the same opinion as every one else1 still giving new names to the things to which he attributed just the same force that others did1 without proposing the least alteration in the ideas to be entertained of them8 ,would the advocate of a cause1 when summing up for a defendant1 deny that exile or the confiscation of his client's property was an evil8--that these things were to be rejected1 though not to be fled from8--or would he say that a judge ought not to be merciful8 ,but if he were speaking in the public assembly1--if ,hannibal had arrived at the gates and had driven his javelin into the wall1 would he deny that it was an evil to be taken prisoner1 to be sold1 to be slain1 to lose one's country8 ,or could the senate1 when it was voting a triumph to ,africanus1 have expressed itself1--,because by his virtue and good fortune 444 if there could not properly be said to be any virtue or any good fortune except in a wise man8 ,what sort of a philosophy1 then1 is that which speaks in the ordinary manner in the forum1 but in a peculiar style of its own in books8 especially when1 as they intimate themselves in all they say1 no innovations are made by them in the facts1--none of the things themselves are changed1 but they remain exactly the same1 though in another manner4 ,for what difference does it make whether you call riches1 and power1 and health goods1 or only things preferred1 as long as the man who calls them goods attributes no more to them than you do who call them things preferred8 ,therefore1 ,pantius--a noble and dignified man1 worthy of the intimacy which he enjoyed with ,scipio and ,llius--when he was writing to ,quintus ,tubero on the subject of bearing pain1 never once asserted1 what ought to have been his main argument1 if it could have been proved1 that pain was not an evil2 but he explained what it was1 and what its character was1 and what amount of disagreeableness there was in it1 and what was the proper method of enduring it2 and 7for he1 too1 was a ,stoic7 all that preposterous language of the school appears to me to be condemned by these sentiments of his4 ,x4 ,but1 however1 to come1 ,o ,cato1 more closely to what you have been saying1 let us treat this question more narrowly1 and compare what you have just said with those assertions which ,i prefer to yours4 ,now1 those arguments which you employ in common with the ancients1 we may make use of as admitted4 ,but let us1 if you please1 confine our discussion to those which are disputed4 ,i do please1 said he3 ,i am very glad to have the question argued with more subtlety1 and1 as you call it1 more closely2 for what you have hitherto advanced are mere popular assertions1 but from you ,i expect something more elegant4 ,from me8 said ,i4 ,however1 ,i will try2 and1 if ,i cannot find arguments enough1 ,i will not be above having recourse to those which you call popular4 ,but let me first lay down this position1 that we are so recommended to ourselves by nature1 and that we have this principal desire implanted in us by nature1 that our first wish is to preserve ourselves4 ,this is agreed4 ,it follows1 that we must take notice what we are1 that so we may preserve ourselves in that character of which we ought to be4 ,we are1 therefore1 men3 we consist of mind and body1--which are things of a particular description1--and we ought1 as our first natural desire requires1 to love these parts of ourselves1 and from them to establish this summit of the chief and highest good1 which1 if our first principles are true1 must be established in such a way as to acquire as many as possible of those things which are in accordance with nature1 and especially all the most important of them4 ,this1 then1 is the chief good which they aimed at4 ,i have expressed it more diffusely1--they call it briefly1 living according to nature4 ,this is what appears to them to be the chief good4 ,,xi4 ,come1 now let them teach us1 or rather do so yourself1 7for who is better able87 in what way you proceed from these principles1 and prove that to live honourably 7for that is the meaning of living according to virtue1 or in a manner suitable to nature7 is the chief good2 and in what manner1 or in what place1 you on a sudden get rid of the body1 and leave all those things which1 as they are according to nature1 are out of our own power2 and1 lastly1 how you get rid of duty itself4 ,i ask1 therefore1 how it is that all these recommendations1 having proceeded from nature1 are suddenly abandoned by wisdom8 ,but if it were not the chief good of man that we were inquiring into1 but only that of some animal1 and if he were nothing except mind 7for we may make such a supposition as that1 in order more easily to discover the truth71 still this chief good of yours would not belong to that mind4 ,for it would wish for good health1 for freedom from pain2 it would also desire the preservation of itself1 and the guardianship of these qualities1 and it would appoint as its own end to live according to nature1 which is1 as ,i have said1 to have those things which are according to nature1 either all of them1 or most of them1 and all the most important ones4 ,for whatever kind of animal you make him out1 it is necessary1 even though he be incorporeal1 as we are supposing him1 still that there must be in the mind something like those qualities which exist in the body2 so that the chief good cannot possibly be defined in any other manner but that which ,i have mentioned4 ,but ,chrysippus1 when explaining the differences between living creatures1 says1 that some excel in their bodies1 others in their minds1 some in both4 ,and then he argues that there ought to be a separate chief good for each description of creature4 ,but as he had placed man in such a class that he attributed to him excellence of mind1 he determined that his chief good was not that he appeared to excel in mind1 but that he appeared to be nothing else but mind4 ,,xii4 ,but in one case the chief good might rightly be placed in virtue alone1 if there were any animal which consisted wholly of mind2 and that1 too1 in such a manner that that mind had in itself nothing that was according to nature1 as health is4 ,but it cannot even be imagined what kind of thing that is1 so as not to be inconsistent with itself4 ,but if he says that some things are obscure1 and are not visible because they are very small1 we also admit that2 as ,epicurus says of pleasure1 that those pleasures which are very small are often obscured and overwhelmed4 ,but that kind has not so many advantages of body1 nor any which last so long1 or are so great4 ,therefore1 in those in which obscuration follows because of their littleness1 it often happens that we confess that it makes no difference to us whether they exist at all or not2 just as when the sun is out1 as you yourself said1 it is of no consequence to add the light of a candle1 or to add a penny to the riches of ,crsus4 ,but in those matters in which so great an obscuration does not take place1 it may still be the case1 that the matter which makes a difference is of no great consequence4 ,as if1 when a man had lived ten years agreeably1 an additional month's life of equal pleasantness were given to him1 it would be good1 because any addition has some power to produce what is agreeable2 but if that is not admitted1 it does not follow that a happiness of life is at once put an end to4 ,but the goods of the body are more like this instance which ,i have just mentioned4 ,for they admit of additions worthy of having pains taken about them2 so that on this point the ,stoics appear to me sometimes to be joking1 when they say that1 if a bottle or a comb were given as an addition to a life which is being passed with virtue1 a wise man would rather choose that life1 because these additions were given to it1 but yet that he would not be happier on that account4 ,now1 is not this simile to be upset by ridicule rather than by serious discourse8 ,for who would not be deservedly ridiculed1 if he were anxious whether he had another bottle or not8 ,but if any one relieves a person from any affection of the limbs1 or from the pain of any disease1 he will receive great gratitude4 ,and if that wise man of yours is put on the rack of torture by a tyrant1 he will not display the same countenance as if he had lost his bottle2 but1 as entering upon a serious and difficult contest1 seeing that he will have to fight with a capital enemy1 namely1 pain1 he will summon up all his principles of fortitude and patience1 by whose assistance he will proceed to face that difficult and important battle1 as ,i have called it4 ,we will not inquire1 then1 what is obscured1 or what is destroyed1 because it is something very small2 but what is of such a character as to complete the whole sum of happiness4 ,one pleasure out of many may be obscured in that life of pleasure2 but still1 however small an one it may be1 it is a part of that life which consists wholly of pleasure4 ,one coin is lost of the riches of ,crsus1 still it is a part of his riches4 ,wherefore those things1 too1 which we say are according to nature1 may be obscured in a happy life1 still they must be parts of the happy life4 ,,xiii4 ,but if1 as we ought to agree1 there is a certain natural desire which longs for those things which are according to nature1 then1 when taken altogether1 they must be considerable in amount4 ,and if this point is established1 then we may be allowed to inquire about those things at our leisure1 and to investigate the greatness of them1 and their excellence1 and to examine what influence each has on living happily1 and also to consider the very obscurations themselves1 which1 on account of their smallness1 are scarcely ever1 or ,i may say never1 visible4 ,what should ,i say about that as to which there is no dispute8 ,for there is no one who denies that that which is the standard to which everything is referred resembles every nature1 and that is the chief thing which is to be desired4 ,for every nature is attached to itself4 ,for what nature is there which ever deserts itself1 or any portion of itself1 or any one of its parts or faculties1 or1 in short1 any one of those things1 or motions1 or states which are in accordance with nature8 ,and what nature has ever been forgetful of its original purpose and establishment8 ,there has never been one which does not observe this law from first to last4 ,how1 then1 does it happen that the nature of man is the only one which ever abandons man1 which forgets the body1 which places the chief good1 not in the whole man1 but in a part of man8 ,and how1 as they themselves admit1 and as is agreed upon by all1 will it be preserved1 so that that ultimate good of nature1 which is the subject of our inquiry1 shall resemble every nature8 ,for it would resemble them1 if in other natures also there were some ultimate point of excellence4 ,for then that would seem to be the chief good of the ,stoics4 ,why1 then1 do you hesitate to alter the principles of nature8 ,for why do you say that every animal1 the moment that it is born1 is prone to feel love for itself1 and is occupied in its own preservation8 ,why do you not rather say that every animal is inclined to that which is most excellent in itself1 and is occupied in the guardianship of that one thing1 and that the other natures do nothing else but preserve that quality which is the best in each of them8 ,but how can it be the best1 if there is nothing at all good besides8 ,but if the other things are to be desired1 why1 then1 is not that which is the chief of all desirable things inferred from the desire of all those things1 or of the most numerous and important of them8 as ,phidias can either begin a statue from the beginning1 and finish it1 or he can take one which has been begun by another1 and complete that4 ,now wisdom is like this3 for wisdom is not herself the parent of man1 but she has received him after he has been commenced by nature4 ,and without regard to her1 she ought to complete that work of her's1 as an artist would complete a statue4 ,what kind of man1 then1 is it that nature has commenced8 and what is the office and task of wisdom8 ,what is it that ought to be finished and completed by her8 ,if there is nothing to be made further in man1 except some kind of motion of the mind1 that is to say1 reason1 then it follows1 that the ultimate object is to mould the life according to virtue4 ,for the perfection of reason is virtue4 ,if there is nothing but body1 then the chief goods must be good health1 freedom from pain1 beauty1 and so on4 ,the question at this moment is about the chief good of man4 ,,xiv4 ,why do we hesitate1 then1 to inquire as to his whole nature1 what has been done8 ,for as it is agreed by all1 that the whole duty and office of wisdom is to be occupied about the cultivation of man1 some 7that you may not think that ,i am arguing against none but the ,stoics7 bring forward opinions in which they place the chief good among things of a kind which are wholly out of our own power1 just as if they were speaking of one of the brute beasts2 others1 on the contrary1 as if man had no body at all1 so entirely exclude everything from their consideration except the mind1 7and this1 too1 while the mind itself1 in their philosophy1 is not some unintelligible kind of vacuum1 but something which exists in some particular species of body17 that even that is not content with virtue alone1 but requires freedom from pain4 ,so that both these classes do the same thing1 as if they neglected the left side of a man1 and took care only of the right2 or as if they 7as ,herillus did7 attended only to the knowledge of the mind itself1 and passed over all action4 ,for it is but a crippled system which all those men set up who pass over many things1 and select some one in particular to adhere to4 ,but that is a perfect and full system which those adopt who1 while inquiring about the chief good of man1 pass over in their inquiry no part either of his mind or body1 so as to leave it unprotected4 ,but your school1 ,o ,cato1 because virtue holds1 as we all admit1 the highest and most excellent place in man1 and because we think those who are wise men1 perfect and admirable men1 seeks entirely to dazzle the eyes of our minds with the splendour of virtue4 ,for in every living creature there is some one principal and most excellent thing1 as1 for instance1 in horses and dogs2 but those must be free from pain and in good health4 ,therefore1 you do not seem to me to pay sufficient attention to what the general path and progress of nature is4 ,for it does not pursue the same course in man that it does in corn1 7which1 when it has advanced it from the blade to the ear1 it leaves and considers the stubble as nothing17 and leave him as soon as it has conducted him to a state of reason4 ,for it is always taking something additional1 without ever abandoning what it has previously given4 ,therefore1 it has added reason to the senses2 and when it has perfected his reason1 it still does not abandon the senses4 ,as if the culture of the vine1 the object of which is to cause the vine1 with all its parts1 to be in the best possible condition1 7however that is what we understand it to be1 for one may1 as you often do yourselves1 suppose anything for the purpose of illustration17 if1 then1 that culture of the vine be in the vine itself1 it would1 ,i presume1 desire everything else which concerns the cultivation of the vine1 to be as it has been before4 ,but it would prefer itself to every separate part of the vine1 and it would feel sure that nothing in the vine was better than itself4 ,in like manner sense1 when it has been added to nature1 protects it indeed1 but it also protects itself4 ,but when reason is also added1 then it is placed in a position of such predominant power1 that all those first principles of nature are put under its guardianship4 ,therefore it does not abandon the care of those things over which it is so set1 that its duty is to regulate the entire life3 so that we cannot sufficiently marvel at their inconsistency4 ,for they assert that the natural appetite1 which they call 1 and also duty1 and even virtue herself1 are all protectors of those things which are according to nature4 ,but when they wish to arrive at the chief good1 they overleap everything1 and leave us two tasks instead of one--namely1 to choose some things and desire others1 instead of including both under one head4 ,,xv4 ,but now you say that virtue cannot properly be established1 if those things which are external to virtue have any influence on living happily4 ,but the exact contrary is the case4 ,for virtue cannot possibly be introduced1 unless everything which it chooses and which it neglects is all referred to one general end4 ,for if we entirely neglect ourselves1 we then fall into the vices and errors of ,ariston1 and shall forget the principles which we have attributed to virtue itself4 ,but if we do not neglect those things1 and yet do not refer them to the chief good1 we shall not be very far removed from the trivialities of ,herillus4 ,for we shall have to adopt two different plans of conduct in life3 for he makes out that there are two chief goods unconnected with each other2 but if they were real goods1 they ought to be united2 but at present they are separated1 so that they never can be united4 ,but nothing can be more perverse than this4 ,therefore1 the fact is exactly contrary to your assertion3 for virtue cannot possibly be established firmly1 unless it maintains those things which are the principles of nature as having an influence on the object4 ,for we have been looking for a virtue which should preserve nature1 not for one which should abandon it4 ,but that of yours1 as you represent it1 preserves only one part1 and abandons the rest4 ,and1 indeed1 if the custom of man could speak1 this would be its language4 ,that its first beginnings were1 as it were1 beginnings of desire that it might preserve itself in that nature in which it had been born4 ,for it had not yet been sufficiently explained what nature desired above all things4 ,let it therefore be explained4 ,what else then will be understood but that no part of nature is to be neglected8 ,and if there is nothing in it besides reason1 then the chief good must be in virtue alone4 ,but if there is also body1 then will that explanation of nature have caused us to abandon the belief which we held before the explanation4 ,is it1 then1 being in a manner suitable to nature to abandon nature8 ,as some philosophers do1 when having begun with the senses they have seen something more important and divine1 and then abandoned the senses2 so1 too1 these men1 when they had beheld the beauty of virtue developed in its desire for particular things1 abandoned everything which they had seen for the sake of virtue herself1 forgetting that the whole nature of desirable things was so extensive that it remained from beginning to end2 and they do not understand that they are taking away the very foundations of these beautiful and admirable things4 ,,xvi4 ,therefore1 all those men appear to me to have made a blunder who have pronounced the chief good to be to live honourably4 ,but some have erred more than others1--,pyrrho above all1 who1 having fixed on virtue as the chief good1 refuses to allow that there is anything else in the world deserving of being desired2 and1 next to him1 ,aristo1 who did not1 indeed1 venture to leave nothing else to be desired1 but who introduced influence1 by which a wise man might be excited1 and desire whatever occurred to his mind1 and whatever even appeared so to occur4 ,he was more right than ,pyrrho1 inasmuch as he left man some kind of desire2 but worse than the rest1 inasmuch as he departed wholly from nature3 but the ,stoics1 because they place the chief good in virtue alone1 resemble these men3 but inasmuch as they seek for a principle of duty1 they are superior to ,pyrrho2 and as they do not admit the desire of those objects which offer themselves to the imagination1 they are more correct than ,aristo2 but1 inasmuch as they do not add the things which they admit to be adopted by nature1 and to be worthy of being chosen for their own sakes1 to the chief good1 they here desert nature1 and are in some degree not different from ,aristo3 for he invented some strange kinds of occurrences2 but these men recognise1 indeed1 the principles of nature1 but still they disconnect them from the perfect and chief good2 and when they put them forward1 so that there may be some selection of things1 they appear to follow nature2 but when they deny that they have any influence in making life happy1 they again abandon nature4 ,and hitherto ,i have been showing how destitute ,zeno was of any good reason for abandoning the authority of previous philosophers3 now let us consider the rest of his arguments2 unless1 indeed1 ,o ,cato1 you wish to make any reply to what ,i have been saying1 or unless we are getting tedious4 ,neither1 said he2 for ,i wish this side of the question to be completely argued by you2 nor does your discourse seem to me to be at all tedious4 ,i am glad to hear it1 ,i replied2 for what can be more desirable for me than to discuss the subject of virtue with ,cato1 who is the most virtuous of men in every point8 ,but1 first of all1 remark that that imposing sentiment of yours1 which brings a whole family after it1 namely1 that what is honourable is the only good1 and that to live honourably is the chief good1 will be shared in common with you by all who define the chief good as consisting in virtue alone2 and1 as to what you say1 that virtue cannot be formed if anything except what is honourable is included in the account1 the same statement will be made by those whom ,i have just named4 ,but it appeared to me to be fairer1 advancing from one common beginning1 to see where ,zeno1 while disputing with ,polemo1 from whom he had learnt what the principles of nature were1 first took his stand1 and what the original cause of the controversy was2 and not to stand on their side1 who did not even allow that their own chief good was derived from nature1 and to employ the same arguments which they did1 and to maintain the same sentiments4 ,,xvii4 ,but ,i am very far from approving this conduct of yours1 that when you have proved1 as you imagine1 that that alone is good which is honourable1 then say again that it is necessary that beginnings should be put forward which are suitable and adapted to nature2 by a selection from which virtue might be called into existence4 ,for virtue ought not to have been stated to consist in selection1 so that that very thing which was itself the chief good1 was to acquire something besides itself2 for all things which are to be taken1 or chosen1 or desired1 ought to exist in the chief good1 so that he who has attained that may want nothing more4 ,do you not see how evident it is to those men whose chief good consists in pleasure1 what they ought to do and what they ought not8 so that no one of them doubts what all their duties ought to regard1 what they ought to pursue1 or avoid4 ,let this1 then1 be the chief good which is now defended by me2 it will be evident in a moment what are the necessary duties and actions4 ,but you1 who set before yourselves another end except what is right and honourable1 will not be able to find out where your principle of duty and action is to originate4 ,therefore you are all of you seeking for this1 and so are those who say that they pursue whatever comes into their mind and occurs to them2 and you return to nature4 ,but nature will fairly reply to you1 that it is not true that the chief happiness of life is to be sought in another quarter1 but the principles of action in herself3 for that there is one system only1 in which both the principles of action and the chief good too is contained2 and that1 as the opinion of ,aristo is exploded1 when he says that one thing does not differ from another1 and that there is nothing except virtue and vice in which there was any difference whatever2 so1 too1 ,zeno was in the wrong1 who affirmed that there was no influence in anything1 except virtue or vice1 of the very least power to assist in the attainment of the chief good3 and as that had no influence on making life happy1 but only in creating a desire for things1 he said that there was some power of attraction in them3 just as if this desire had no reference to the acquisition of the chief good4 ,but what can be less consistent than what they say1 namely1 that when they have obtained the knowledge of the chief good they then return to nature1 in order to seek in it the principle of action1 that is to say1 of duty8 ,for it is not the principle of action or duty which impels them to desire those things which are according to nature2 but desire and action are both set in motion by those things4 ,,xviii4 ,now ,i come to those brief statements of yours which you call conclusions2 and first of all to that--than which1 certainly1 nothing can be more brief--that everything good is praiseworthy2 but everything praiseworthy is honourable2 therefore everything good is honourable4 ,oh1 what a leaden dagger6--for who will grant you your first premises8 ,and if it should be granted to you1 then you have no need of the second3 for if everything good is praiseworthy1 so is everything honourable2 who1 then1 will grant you this1 except ,pyrrho1 ,aristo1 and men like them8--whom you do not approve of4 ,aristotle1 ,xenocrates1 and all that school1 will not grant it2 inasmuch as they call health1 strength1 riches1 glory1 and many other things good1 but not praiseworthy2 and they therefore do not think that the chief good is contained in virtue alone1 though still they do prefer virtue to everything else4 ,what do you think that those men will do who have utterly separated virtue from the chief good1 ,epicurus1 ,hieronymus1 and those too1 if indeed there are any such1 who wish to defend the definition of the chief good given by ,carneades8 ,and how will ,callipho and ,diodorus be able to grant you what you ask1 men who join to honourableness something else which is not of the same genus8--,do you1 then1 think it proper1 ,cato1 after you have assumed premises which no one will grant to you1 to derive whatever conclusion you please from them8 ,take this sorites1 than which you think nothing can be more faulty3 8,that which is good is desirable2 that which is desirable ought to be sought for2 that which ought to be sought for is praiseworthy10 and so on through all the steps4 ,but ,i will stop here1 for in the same manner no one will grant to you that whatever ought to be sought is therefore praiseworthy2 and that other argument of theirs is far from a legitimate conclusion1 but a most stupid assertion1 8that a happy life is one worthy of being boasted of40 ,for it can never happen that a person may reasonably boast1 without something honourable in the circumstances4 ,polemo will grant this to ,zeno2 and so will his master1 and the whole of that school1 and all the rest who1 preferring virtue by far to everything else1 still add something besides to it in their definition of the chief good4 ,for1 if virtue be a thing worthy of being boasted of1 as it is1 and if it is so far superior to all other things that it can scarcely be expressed how much better it is2 then a man may1 possibly1 be happy if endowed with virtue alone1 and destitute of everything else2 and yet he will never grant to you that nothing whatever is to be classed among goods1 except virtue4 ,but those men whose chief good has no virtue in it1 will perhaps not grant to you that a happy life has anything in it of which a man can rightly boast1 although they also1 at times1 represent virtues as subjects for boasting4 ,you see1 therefore1 that you are either assuming propositions which are not admitted1 or else such as1 even if they are granted1 will do you no good4 ,,xix4 ,in truth1 in all these conclusions1 ,i should think this worthy both of philosophy and of ourselves1--and that1 too1 most especially so when we were inquiring into the chief good1--that our lives1 and designs1 and wishes should be corrected1 and not our expressions4 ,for who1 when he has heard those brief and acute arguments of yours which1 as you say1 give you so much pleasure1 can ever have his opinion changed by them8 ,for when men fix their attention on them1 and wish to hear why pain is not an evil1 they tell him that to be in pain is a bitter1 annoying1 odious1 unnatural condition1 and one difficult to be borne2 but1 because there is in pain no fraud1 or dishonesty1 or malice1 or fault1 or baseness1 therefore it is not an evil4 ,now1 the man who hears this said1 even if he does not care to laugh1 will still depart without being a bit more courageous as to bearing pain than he was when he came4 ,but you affirm that no one can be courageous who thinks pain an evil4 ,why should he be more courageous if he thinks it--what you yourself admit it to be--bitter and scarcely endurable8 ,for timidity is generated by things1 and not by words4 ,and you say1 that if one letter is moved1 the whole system of the school will be undermined4 ,do ,i seem1 then1 to you to be moving a letter1 or rather whole pages8 ,for although the order of things1 which is what you so especially extol1 may be preserved among them1 and although everything may be well joined and connected together1 7for that is what you said17 still we ought not to follow them too far1 if arguments1 having set out from false principles1 are consistent with themselves1 and do not wander from the end they propose to themselves4 ,accordingly1 in his first establishment of his system1 your master1 ,zeno1 departed from nature2 and as he had placed the chief good on that superiority of disposition which we call virtue1 and had affirmed that there was nothing whatever good which was not honourable1 and that virtue could have no real existence if in other things there were things of which one was better or worse than another2 having laid down these premises1 he naturally maintained the conclusions4 ,you say truly2 for ,i cannot deny it4 ,but the conclusions which follow from his premises are so false that the premises from which they are deduced cannot be true4 ,for the dialecticians1 you know1 teach us that if the conclusions which follow from any premises are false1 the premises from which they follow cannot be true4 ,and so that conclusion is not only true1 but so evident that even the dialecticians do not think it necessary that any reasons should be given for it--8,if that is the case1 this is2 but this is not2 therefore that is not40 ,and so1 by denying your consequence1 your premise is contradicted4 ,what follows1 then8--8,all who are not wise are equally miserable2 all wise men are perfectly happy3 all actions done rightly are equal to one another2 all offences are equal40 ,but1 though all these propositions at first appear to be admirably laid down1 after a little consideration they are not so much approved of4 ,for every man's own senses1 and the nature of things1 and truth itself1 cried out1 after a fashion1 that they could never be induced to believe that there was no difference between those things which ,zeno asserted to be equal4 ,,xx4 ,afterwards that little ,phnician of yours 7for you know that the people of ,citium1 your clients1 came from ,phnicia71 a shrewd man1 as he was not succeeding in his case1 since nature herself contradicted him1 began to withdraw his words2 and first of all he granted in favour of those things which we consider good1 that they might be considered fit1 and useful1 and adapted to nature2 and he began to confess that it was more advantageous for a wise--that is to say for a perfectly happy--man1 to have those things which he does not venture indeed to call goods1 but yet allows to be well adapted to nature4 ,and he denies that ,plato1 if he were not a wise man1 would be in the same circumstances as the tyrant ,dionysius2 for that to die was better for the one1 because he despaired of attaining wisdom1 but to live was better for the other1 because of his hope of doing so4 ,and he asserts that of offences some are tolerable1 and some by no means so1 because many men passed by some offences1 and there are others which very few people pass by1 on account of the number of duties violated4 ,again1 he said that some men are so foolish as to be utterly unable ever to arrive at wisdom2 but that there are others who1 if they had taken pains1 might have attained to it4 ,now1 in this he expressed himself differently from any one else1 but he thought just the same as all the rest4 ,nor did he think those things deserving of being valued less which he himself denied to be goods1 than they did who considered them as goods4 ,what1 then1 did he wish to effect by having altered these names8 ,at least he would have taken something from their weight1 and would have valued them at rather less than the ,peripatetics1 in order to appear to think in some respects differently from them1 and not merely to speak so4 ,what more need ,i say8 ,what do you say about the happy life to which everything is referred8 ,you affirm that it is not that life which is filled with everything which nature requires2 and you place it entirely in virtue alone4 ,and as every controversy is usually either about a fact or a name1 both kinds of dispute arise if either the fact is not understood or if a mistake is made as to the name2 and if neither of these is the case1 we must take care to use the most ordinary language possible1 and words as suitable as can be1--that is1 such as make the subject plain4 ,is it1 then1 doubtful that if the former philosophers have not erred at all as to the fact itself1 they certainly express themselves more conveniently8 ,let us1 then1 examine their opinions1 and then return to the question of names4 ,,xxi4 ,they say that the desire of the mind is excited when anything appears to it to be according to nature2 and that all things which are according to nature are worthy of some esteem2 and that they deserve to be esteemed in proportion to the weight that there is in each of them3 and that of those things which are according to nature1 some have in themselves nothing of that appetite of which we have already frequently spoken1 being neither called honourable nor praiseworthy2 and some1 again1 are accompanied by pleasure in the case of every animal1 and in the case of man also with reason4 ,and those of them which are suitable are honourable1 beautiful1 and praiseworthy2 but the others1 mentioned before1 are natural1 and1 when combined with those which are honourable1 make up and complete a perfectly happy life4 ,but they say1 too1 that of all these advantages--to which those people do not attribute more importance who say that they are goods1 than ,zeno does1 who denies it--by far the most excellent is that which is honourable and praiseworthy2 but that if two honourable things are both set before one1 one accompanied with good health and the other with sickness1 it is not doubtful to which of them nature herself will conduct us3 but1 nevertheless1 that the power of honourableness is so great1 and that it is so far better than1 and superior to1 everything else1 that it can never be moved by any punishments or by any bribes from that which it has decided to be right2 and that everything which appears hard1 difficult1 or unfortunate1 can be dissipated by those virtues with which we have been adorned by nature2 not because they are trivial or contemptible--or else where would be the merit of the virtues8--but that we might infer from such an event1 that it was not in them that the main question of living happily or unhappily depended4 ,in short1 the things which ,zeno has called estimable1 and worth choosing1 and suitable to nature1 they call goods2 but they call that a happy life which consists of those things which ,i have mentioned1 or1 if not of all1 at least of the greatest number of them1 and of the most important4 ,but ,zeno calls that the only good which has some peculiar beauty of its own to make it desirable2 and he calls that life alone happy which is passed with virtue4 ,,xxii4 ,if we are to discuss the reality of the case1 then there cannot possibly1 ,cato1 be any disagreement between you and me3 for there is nothing on which you and ,i have different opinions2 let us only compare the real circumstances1 after changing the names4 ,nor1 indeed1 did he fail to see this2 but he was delighted with the magnificence and splendour of the language3 and if he really felt what he said1 and what his words intimate1 then what would be the difference between him and ,pyrrho or ,aristo8 ,but if he did not approve of them1 then what was his object in differing in language with those men with whom he agreed in reality8 ,what would you do if these ,platonic philosophers1 and those1 too1 who were their pupils1 were to come to life again1 and address you thus3--8,as1 ,o ,marcus ,cato1 we heard that you were a man exceedingly devoted to philosophy1 a most just citizen1 an excellent judge1 and a most conscientious witness1 we marvelled what the reason was why you preferred the ,stoics to us2 for they1 on the subject of good and evil things1 entertain those opinions which ,zeno learnt from ,polemo2 and use those names which1 when they are first heard1 excite wonder1 but when they are explained1 move only ridicule4 ,but if you approved those doctrines so much1 why did you not maintain them in their own proper language8 ,if authority had influence with you1 how was it that you preferred some stranger to all of us and to ,plato himself8 especially while you were desirous to be a chief man in the republic1 and might have been accomplished and equipped by us in a way to enable you to defend it to your own great increase of dignity4 ,for the means to such an end have been investigated1 described1 marked down1 and enjoined by us2 and we have written detailed accounts of the government of all republics1 and their descriptions1 and constitutions1 and changes1--and even of the laws1 and customs1 and manners of all states4 ,moreover1 how much eloquence1 which is the greatest ornament to leading men1--in which1 indeed1 we have heard that you are very eminent1--might you have learnt1 in addition to that which is natural to you1 from our records60 ,when they had said this1 what answer could you have made to such men8 ,i would have entreated you1 said he1 who had dictated their speech to them1 to speak likewise for me1 or else rather to give me a little room to answer them myself1 only that now ,i prefer listening to you2 and yet at another time ,i should be likely to reply to them at the same time that ,i answer you4 ,,xxiii4 ,but if you were to answer truly1 ,cato1 you would be forced to say this--,that you do not approve of those men1 men of great genius and great authority as they are4 ,but that you have noticed that the things which1 by reason of their antiquity they have failed to see1 have been thoroughly comprehended by the ,stoics1 and that these latter have discussed the same matters with more acuteness1 and have also entertained more dignified and courageous sentiments1 inasmuch as1 in the first place1 they deny that good health is to be desired1 though they admit that it may be chosen2 not because to be well is a good1 but because it is not to be utterly disregarded1 and yet that it does not appear to them of more value that it does to those who do not hesitate to call it a good4 ,and that you could not endure that those ancients1 those bearded men 7as we are in the habit of calling our own ancestors71 should believe that the life of that man who lived honourably1 if he had also good health and a good reputation1 and was rich1 was more desirable1 better1 and more to be sought for1 than that of him who was equally a good man in many respects1 like the ,alcmon of ,ennius-- ,surrounded by disease1 and exile sad1 ,and cruel want4 ,those ancients1 then1 must have been far from clever1 to think that life more desirable1 better1 and happier4 ,but the ,stoics think it only to be preferred if one has a choice2 not because this life is happier1 but because it is better adapted to nature2 and they think that all who are not wise are equally miserable4 ,the ,stoics1 forsooth1 thought this2 but it had entirely escaped the perception of those philosophers who preceded them1 for they thought that men stained with all sorts of parricide and wickedness were not at all more miserable than those who1 though they lived purely and uprightly1 had not yet attained complete wisdom4 ,and while on this topic1 you brought forth those similes which they are in the habit of employing1 which are1 in truth1 no similes at all4 ,for who is ignorant that1 if many men should choose to emerge from the deep1 those would be nearer breathing who came close to the surface1 but still would not be actually able to breathe any more than those who are at the bottom8 ,therefore1 on your principles1 it is of no avail to make progress and advancement in virtue1 in order to be less utterly miserable before you have actually arrived at it1 since it is of no use in the case of men in the water4 ,and since puppies who are on the point of opening their eyes1 are just as blind as those that are but this moment born2 it is plain also that ,plato1 as he had not yet seen wisdom1 was as blind in his intellect as ,phalaris4 ,,xxiv4 ,these cases are not alike1 ,cato4 ,for in these instances1 though you may have made a good deal of progress1 still you are in exactly the same evil from which you wish to be free1 till you have entirely escaped4 ,for a man does not breathe till he has entirely emerged1 and puppies are just as blind till they have opened their eyes1 as if they were never going to open them4 ,i will give you some instances that really are like4 ,one man's eyes are bad1 another is weak in his body2 these men are both gradually relieved by the daily application of remedies4 ,the one gets better every day1 and the other sees better4 ,now these men resemble all those who study virtue4 ,they are relieved of their vices2 they are relieved of their errors4 ,unless1 perchance1 you think that ,tiberius ,gracchus1 the father1 was not happier than his son1 when the one laboured to establish the republic1 and the other to subvert it4 ,and yet he was not a wise man4 ,for who taught him wisdom8 or when8 or where8 or whence did he learn it8 ,still1 because he consulted his twin glory and dignity1 he had made great progress in virtue4 ,but ,i will compare your grandfather1 ,drusus1 with ,caius ,gracchus1 who was nearly his contemporary4 ,he healed the wounds which the other inflicted on the republic4 ,but there is nothing which makes men so miserable as impiety and wickedness4 ,grant that all those who are unwise are miserable1 as1 in fact1 they are2 still he is not equally miserable who consults the interest of his country with him who wishes for its destruction4 ,therefore1 those men are already a great deal relieved from their vices who have made any considerable advance towards virtue4 ,but the men of your school admit that advance towards virtue can be made1 but yet assert that no relief from vices takes place in consequence4 ,but it is worth while to consider on what arguments acute men rely for proving this point4 ,those arts1 say they1 of which the perfection can be increased1 show that the completeness of their contraries can likewise be increased4 ,but no addition can be made to the perfection of virtue4 ,therefore1 also1 vices will not be susceptible of any increase1 for they are the contraries of virtues4 ,shall we say1 then1 that things which are doubtful are made plain by things which are evident1 or that things which are evident are obscured by things that are doubtful8 ,but this is evident1 that different vices are greater in different people4 ,this is doubtful1 whether any addition can be made to that which you call the chief good4 ,but you1 while what you ought to do is to try and illustrate what is doubtful by what is evident1 endeavour to get rid of what is evident by what is doubtful4 ,and1 therefore1 you will find yourself hampered by the same reasoning which ,i used just now4 ,for if it follows that some vices are not greater than others1 because no addition can be made to that chief good which you describe1 since it is quite evident that the vices of all men are not equal1 you must change your definition of the chief good4 ,for we must inevitably maintain this rule1 that when a consequence is false1 the premises from which the consequence proceeds cannot be true4 ,,xxv4 ,what1 then1 is the cause of these difficulties8 ,a vain-glorious parade in defining the chief good4 ,for when it is positively asserted that what is honourable is the sole good1 all care for one's health1 all attention to one's estate1 all regard for the government of the republic1 all regularity in transacting business1 all the duties of life1 in short1 are put an end to4 ,even that very honourableness1 in which alone you assert that everything is comprised1 must be abandoned4 ,all which arguments are carefully urged against ,ariston by ,chrysippus4 ,and from that embarrassment it is that all those fallaciously speaking wiles1 as ,attius calls them1 have arisen4 ,for because wisdom had no ground on which to rest her foot1 when all the duties were taken away1 7and duties were taken away when all power of selection and discrimination was denied2 for what choice1 or what discrimination could there be when all things were so completely equal that there was no difference whatever between them87 from these difficulties there arose worse errors than even those of ,aristo4 ,for his arguments were at all events simple2 those of your school are full of craft4 ,for suppose you were to ask ,aristo whether these things1 freedom from pain1 riches1 and good health1 appear to him to be goods8 ,he would deny it4 ,what next8 ,suppose you ask him whether the contraries of these things are bad8 ,he would deny that equally4 ,suppose you were to ask ,zeno the same question8 ,he would give you the same answer1 word for word4 ,suppose further1 that we1 being full of astonishment1 were to ask them both how it will be possible for us to live1 if we think that it makes not the least difference to us whether we are well or sick2 whether we are free from pain or tormented by it2 whether we are able or unable to endure cold and hunger8 ,you will live1 says ,aristo1 magnificently and excellently1 doing whatever seems good to you4 ,you will never be vexed1 you will never desire anything1 you will never fear anything4 ,what will ,zeno say8 ,he says that all these ideas are monstrous1 and that it is totally impossible for any one to live on these principles2 but that there is some extravagant1 some immense difference between what is honourable and what is base2 that between other things1 indeed1 there is no difference at all4 ,he will also say--7listen to what follows1 and do not laugh1 if you can help it7--all those intermediate things1 between which there is no difference1 are nevertheless such that some of them are to be chosen1 others rejected1 and others utterly disregarded2 that is to say1 that you may wish for some1 wish to avoid others1 and be totally indifferent about others4 ,but you said just now1 ,o ,zeno1 that there was no difference whatever between these things4 ,and now ,i say the same1 he replies2 and that there is no difference whatever as respects virtues and vices4 ,well1 ,i should like to know who did not know that8 ,,xxvi4 ,however1 let us hear a little more4 ,those things1 says he1 which you have mentioned1 to be well1 to be rich1 to be free from pain1 ,i do not call goods2 but ,i will call them in ,greek 7which you may translate by the ,latin producta1 though ,i prefer prposita or prcipua1 for they are more easily comprehended and more applicable terms74 ,and again1 the contraries1 want1 sickness1 and pain1 ,i do not call evils1 though ,i have no objection to styling them 7if you wish7 things to be rejected4 ,and1 therefore1 ,i do not say that ,i seek for them first1 but that ,i choose them2 not that ,i wish for them1 but that ,i accept them4 ,and so1 too1 ,i do not say that ,i flee from the contraries2 but that ,i1 as it were1 keep aloof from them4 ,what says ,aristotle and the rest of the disciples of ,plato8 ,why1 that they call everything good which is according to nature2 and that whatever is contrary to nature they call evil4 ,do you not see1 then1 that your master ,zeno agrees with ,aristo in words1 but differs from him as to facts2 but that he agrees with ,aristotle and those other philosophers as to facts1 but differs from them only in words8 ,why1 then1 when we are agreed as to facts1 do we not prefer speaking in the ordinary manner8 ,let him teach me either that ,i shall be more prepared to despise money1 if ,i reckon it only among things preferred1 than if ,i count it among goods2 and that ,i shall have more fortitude to endure pain if ,i call it bitter1 and difficult to bear1 and contrary to nature1 than if ,i pronounce it an evil4 ,marcus ,piso1 my intimate1 also was a very witty man1 and used to ridicule the ,stoics for their language on this topic3 for what was he used to say8 8,you deny that riches are a good1 but call them something to be preferred4 ,what good do you do by that8 do you diminish avarice8 ,but if we mind words1 then1 in the first place1 your expression1 to be preferred1 is longer than good40 8,that has nothing to do with the matter40 8,i dare say it has not1 but still it is a more difficult expression4 ,for ,i do not know what the word good is derived from2 but the word preferred ,i suppose means that it is preferred to other things4 ,that appears to me to be important40 ,therefore1 he insisted upon it1 that more consequence was attributed to riches by ,zeno1 who placed them among things preferred1 than by ,aristotle1 who admitted that they were a good4 ,still he did not say that they were a great good1 but rather such an one as was to be despised and scorned in comparison of what was right and honourable1 and never one to be greatly sought after4 ,and altogether1 he argued in this way1 about all those expressions which had been altered by ,zeno1 both as to what he denied to be goods1 and as to those things to which he referred the name of evil2 saying that the first received from him a more joyful title than they did from us2 and the latter a more gloomy one4 ,,xxvii4 ,piso1 then--a most excellent man1 and1 as you well know1 a great friend of yours--used to argue in this manner4 ,and now let us make an end of this1 after we have just said a few additional words4 ,for it would take a long time to reply to all your assertions4 ,for from the same tricks with words1 originate all those kingdoms1 and commands1 and riches1 and universal dominion which you say belong to the wise man4 ,you say besides1 that he alone is handsome1 he alone is free1 he alone is a citizen2 and that everything which is the contrary of all these things belongs to the foolish man1 who is also insane1 as you assert they call these assertions 2 we may call them marvellous4 ,and yet what marvel is there in them when you come nearer to them8 ,i will just examine the matter with you1 and see what meaning you affix to each word2 there shall be no dispute between us4 ,you say that all offences are equal4 ,i will not speak to you now1 as ,i spoke on the same subject when ,i was defending ,lucius ,murena1 whom you prosecuted2 then ,i was addressing an unphilosophical audience2 something too was to be directed to the bystanders in court2 at present1 we must proceed more precisely4 ,in what way can all offences be called equal8 ,because nothing is more honourable than what is honourable2 nothing more base than what is base4 ,go on a little further1 for there is a great dispute as to this point2 let us examine those arguments1 which are especially your own1 why all offences are equal4 ,as1 says he1 in many lyres1 if not one of them is so well in tune as to be able to preserve the harmony1 all are equally out of tune2 so because offences differ from what is right1 they will differ equally2 therefore they are equal3 now here we are being mocked with an ambiguous expression4 ,for it equally happens to all the lyres to be out of tune1 but not to them all to be equally out of tune4 ,therefore1 that comparison does not help you at all4 ,for it would not follow if we were to say that every avarice is equally avarice1 that therefore every case of avarice was equal4 ,here is another simile which is no simile2 for as1 says he1 a pilot blunders equally if he wrecks a ship loaded with straw1 as if he wrecks one loaded with gold2 so1 too1 he sins equally who beats his parent1 with him who beats a slave unjustly4 ,this is not seeing that it has no connexion with the art of the pilot what cargo the ship carries3 and therefore that it makes no difference with respect to his steering well or ill1 whether his freight is straw or gold4 ,but it can and ought to be understood what the difference is between a parent and a slave2 therefore it makes no difference with respect to navigation1 but a great deal with respect to duty1 what the description of thing may be which is affected by the blunder4 ,and if1 in navigation1 a ship has been wrecked through carelessness1 the offence then becomes more serious if gold is lost1 than if it is only straw4 ,for in all arts we insist upon the exercise of what is called common prudence2 which all men who have the management of any business entrusted to them are bound to possess4 ,and so even in this instance offences are not equal4 ,,xxviii4 ,however1 they press on1 and relax nothing4 ,since1 say they1 every offence is one of imbecility and inconsistency1 and since these vices are equally great in all fools1 it follows necessarily that offences are equal3 as if it were admitted that vices are equally great in all fools1 and that ,lucius ,tubulus was a man of the same imbecility and inconsistency as ,publius ,scvola1 on whose motion he was condemned2 and as if there were no difference at all between the things themselves which are the subject of the offences2 so that1 in proportion as they are more or less important1 the offences committed in respect of them are so too4 ,therefore1 for ,i may now bring this discourse to an end1 your ,stoics seem to me to be most especially open to this charge1 that they fancy they can support two opposite propositions4 ,for what is so inconsistent as for the same person to say that what is honourable is the only good1 and also that the desire of things adapted for human life proceeds from nature8 ,but when they wish to maintain the arguments which are suitable for the former propositions1 they agree with ,aristo2 when they avoid that1 they in reality are upholding the same doctrines as the ,peripatetics2 they cling to words with great tenacity2 and as they cannot bear to have them taken from them one after another1 they become more fierce1 and rough1 and harsher both in their language and manners4 ,but ,pantius1 wishing to avoid their moroseness and asperity1 would not approve of either the bitterness of their sentiments1 or their captious way of arguing3 and so in one respect he was more gentle1 and in the other more intelligible4 ,and he was always quoting ,plato1 and ,aristotle1 and ,xenocrates1 and ,theophrastus1 and ,dicarchus1 as his own writings show4 ,and indeed1 ,i feel very sure that it would do you a great deal of good if you too were to study those authors with care and diligence4 ,but since it is getting towards evening1 and ,i must return to my villa1 we will stop this discussion at this point1 but we will often return to it on other occasions4 ,indeed we will1 said he1 for what can we do better8 ,and indeed ,i shall require of you to give me a hearing while ,i refute what you have said2 but recollect that you approve of all our opinions1 charging us only with using words incorrectly2 but that we do not approve of one single one of your ideas4 ,you are throwing a stone at me as ,i depart1 said ,i2 however1 we shall see4 ,and when we had thus spoken we separated4 ,fifth ,book ,of ,the ,treatise ,on ,the ,chief ,good ,and ,evil4 ,i4 ,one day when ,i had been hearing ,antiochus lecture1 as ,i was in the habit of doing1 ,o ,brutus1 in company with ,marcus ,piso1 in that gymnasium which is called ,ptolemy's1 my brother ,quintus being with me1 and ,titus ,pomponius1 and ,lucius ,cicero1 our cousin on the father's side as to relationship1 but our own brother as to affection1 we determined to take our afternoon's walk in the ,academy1 principally because at that time of day that place was free from any crowd4 ,accordingly1 at the appointed time we all met at ,piso's house1 and from thence we walked half-a-dozen furlongs from the ,dipylus to the ,academy1 beguiling the road with discourse on various subjects2 and when we had arrived at the deservedly celebrated space of the ,academy1 we there found the solitude which we desired4 ,then said ,piso--,shall ,i say that this is implanted in us by nature1 or by some mistake1 that when we see those places which we have heard that men who deserve to be had in recollection have much frequented1 we are more moved than when we hear even of their actual deeds1 or than when we read some one of their writings8--just as ,i am affected now4 ,for the remembrance of ,plato comes into my mind1 whom we understand to have been the first person who was accustomed to dispute in this place2 and whose neighbouring gardens not only recal him vividly to my recollection1 but seem even to place the man himself before my eyes4 ,here ,speusippus1 here ,xenocrates1 here his pupil ,polemo used to walk2 and the latter used to sit in the very spot which is now before us4 ,there is our senate-house 7,i mean the ,curia ,hostilia17#dh7 not this new one1 which always seems to me smaller1 though in fact it is larger73 whenever ,i have looked upon that ,i have always thought of ,scipio1 and ,cato1 and ,llius1 and more especially of my own grandfather4 ,so great a power of reminding one of circumstances exists in the places themselves1 that it is not without reason that some people have built up a system of memory in them4 ,then ,quintus said--,it is just as you say1 ,piso3 for as ,i was coming here just now1 that district of ,colonos drew my attention to itself1 whose inhabitant1 ,sophocles1 was brought at once before my eyes3 for you know how ,i admire1 and how ,i delight in him3 and accordingly a sort of appearance moved me1 an unsubstantial one indeed1 but still it did move me to a more vivid recollection of dipus coming hither1 and asking in most melodious verse what all these places were4 ,then ,pomponius said--,i whom you all are always attacking as devoted to ,epicurus1 am often with ,phdrus1 who is a particular friend of mine1 as you know1 in the gardens of ,epicurus1 which we passed by just this moment2 but1 according to the warning of the old proverb1 ,i remember the living2 still ,i may not forget ,epicurus1 even if were to wish to do so1 whose likeness our friends have not only in pictures1 but even on their goblets and rings4 ,,ii4 ,on this ,i chimed in3--,our friend ,pomponius1 said ,i1 appears to be joking1 and perhaps he has a right to do so2 for he has established himself at ,athens in such a way that he has almost become an ,athenian1 and indeed so as to seem likely to earn such a surname4 ,but ,i1 ,piso1 agree with you that we do get into a habit of thinking a good deal more earnestly and deeply on illustrious men in consequence of the warnings of place4 ,for you know that once ,i went with you to ,metapontum1 and did not turn into the house of my entertainer until ,i had seen the very place where ,pythagoras passed his life1 and his house2 and at this present time1 although all over ,athens there are many traces of eminent men in the places themselves1 still ,i am greatly affected by this seat which is before me4 ,for here ,charmadas lately sat1--a man whom ,i seem to see1 for his likeness is well known to me1 and ,i can fancy that his voice is regretted by the very seat itself1 deprived as it is now of such a brilliant genius4 ,then ,piso said--,since1 now1 we have all said something1 what does our friend ,lucius think8 is he glad to visit that spot where ,demosthenes and schines used to contend together8 for every one is chiefly attracted by his own particular study4 ,and he blushed1 and answered--,do not ask me1 who went down even to the harbour of ,phalerum1 where they say that ,demosthenes used to declaim to the waves1 in order to accustom himself to outvoice the roaring of the sea4 ,i turned aside also out of the road1 a little to the right1 to approach the tomb of ,pericles2 although1 indeed1 such records are countless in this city1 for wherever we step we place our foot on some history4 ,then ,piso continued3--,but1 ,cicero1 said he1 those inclinations are the inclinations of clever men1 if they lead to the imitation of great men2 but if they only tend to bringing up again the traces of ancient recollections1 that is mere curiosity4 ,but we all exhort you1--though you of your own accord1 as ,i hope1 are running that way1--to imitate those men whom you wish that you had known4 ,although1 ,i replied1 our friend ,piso here does1 as you see1 what you recommended1 still your exhortation is pleasing to me4 ,then said he1 in a most friendly manner1 as was his wont1--,let all of us1 then1 contribute every assistance to his youth1 especially urging him to devote some of his studies to philosophy1 either for the sake of imitating you whom he loves1 or else of being able to do what he is desirous to do with more elegance4 ,but do you1 ,o ,lucius1 said he1 require to be exhorted by us1 or are you inclined that way of your own accord8 ,you appear1 indeed1 to me to be very assiduous in your attendance on ,antiochus1 whose pupil you are4 ,then replied he1 timidly1--or1 ,i ought rather to say1 modestly1--,i am indeed2 but did you not just now hear ,charmadas's name mentioned8 ,i am attracted in that direction1 but ,antiochus drags me back again2 nor is there any one else whose lectures it would be possible to attend4 ,,iii4 ,piso replied--,although1 while our friend here 7meaning me7 is present1 this matter will perhaps not be quite so easy2 yet ,i will endeavour to call you back from this ,new ,academy to that ancient one1 in which 7as you used to hear ,antiochus say7 those men are not alone reckoned who are called ,academics1--,speusippus1 ,xenocrates1 ,polemo1 ,crantor1 and the rest2 but the old ,peripatetics also1 the chief of whom was ,aristotle1 whom1 next to ,plato1 ,i think ,i may fairly call the prince of philosophers4 ,turn yourself1 therefore1 ,i entreat you1 to those men2 for from their writings and systems all liberal learning1 all history1 all elegance of language1 may be derived2 and also1 so great is the variety of arts of which they were masters1 that no one can come properly armed for any business of importance and credit without being tolerably versed in their writings4 ,it is owing to them that men have turned out orators1 generals1 and statesmen2 and1 to descend to less important matters1 it is from this ,academy1 as from a regular magazine of all the arts1 that mathematicians1 poets1 musicians1 aye1 and physicians too1 have proceeded4 ,i replied--,you know well1 ,o ,piso1 that my opinion is the same3 but still the mention of it by you was very seasonable2 for my relation ,cicero is anxious to hear what was the doctrine of that ,old ,academy which you have been speaking of1 and of the ,peripatetics1 about the chief good2 and we think that you can very easily explain it to us1 because you entertained ,staseas the ,neapolitan in your house for many years1 and because1 too1 we are aware that you have been many months at ,athens1 investigating these very things1 as a pupil of ,antiochus4 ,and he said1 with a laugh1 ,come1 come1--for you have very cleverly drawn me in to begin the discussion1--let us explain it to the young man if we can2 for this solitude gives us the opportunity3 but1 even if a god had told me so1 ,i would never have believed that ,i should be disputing in the ,academy1 like a philosopher4 ,however1 ,i hope ,i shall not annoy the rest of you while complying with his request4 ,annoy me1 said ,i1 who asked you8 ,quintus and ,pomponius also said that they entertained the same wish2 so he began4 ,and ,i beg of you1 ,brutus1 to consider whether what he said appears to you to sufficiently embrace the doctrines of ,antiochus1 which ,i know you1 who were a constant attendant on the lectures of his brother ,aristus1 approve of highly4 ,thus he spoke3-- ,,iv4 ,what great elegance there is in the ,peripatetic system ,i have explained a little time ago1 as briefly as ,i could4 ,but the form of the system1 as is the case with most of the other schools1 is threefold3 one division being that of nature2 the second1 that of arguing2 the third1 that of living4 ,nature has been investigated by them so thoroughly that there is no part of heaven1 or earth1 or sea 7to speak like a poet71 which they have passed over4 ,moreover1 after having treated of the origin of things1 and of the universal world1 so as to prove many points not only by probable arguments1 but even by the inscrutable demonstrations of mathematicians1 they brought from the subjects which they had investigated abundant materials to assist in attaining to the knowledge of secret things4 ,aristotle investigated the birth1 and way of living1 and figure of every animal2 ,theophrastus examined the causes1 and principles1 and natures of plants1 and of almost everything which is produced out of the earth2 by which knowledge the investigation of the most secret things is rendered easier4 ,also1 they have given rules for arguing1 not only logically1 but oratorically2 and a system of speaking in both these manners1 on every subject1 has been laid down by ,aristotle1 their chief2 so that he did not always argue against everything1 as ,arcesilas did2 and yet he furnished one on every subject with arguments to be used on both sides of it4 ,but1 as the third division was occupied about the rules of living well1 it was also brought back by those same people1 not only to the system of private life1 but also to the direction of affairs of state4 ,for from ,aristotle we have acquired a knowledge of the manners1 and customs1 and institutions of almost every state1 not of ,greece only1 but also of the ,barbarians2 and from ,theophrastus we have learnt even their laws3 and each of them taught what sort of man a leader in a state ought to be1 and also wrote at great length to explain what was the best constitution for a state4 ,but ,theophrastus also detailed very copiously what were the natural inclinations of affairs1 and what the influences of opportunities which required regulating as occasion might demand4 ,and as for living1 a quiet method of life appeared to them to be the best1 passed in the contemplation and knowledge of things2 which1 inasmuch as it had the greatest resemblance to the life of the gods1 appeared to them to be most worthy of a wise man2 and on these subjects they held very lofty and dignified language4 ,v4 ,but respecting the chief good1 because there are two kinds of books1--one addressed to the people1 which they used to call 1 the other written in a more polished style1 which they left behind in commentaries1--they appear not always to say the same thing2 and yet in their ultimate conclusion there is no variety in the language of the men whom ,i have named1 nor is there any disagreement between them4 ,but1 as a happy life is the object of search1 and as that is the only thing which philosophy ought to pursue and regard1 there never appears to be the least difference or doubt in their writings1 as to whether happiness is wholly in the power of the wise man1 or whether it can be undermined or taken from him by adversity4 ,and this point is the especial subject of the book of ,theophrastus1 on a ,happy ,life2 in which a great deal is attributed to fortune3 and if that theory is correct1 then wisdom cannot make life happy4 ,now1 this seems to me rather too tender 7if ,i may say so7 and delicate a doctrine1 more so than the power and importance of virtue can sanction4 ,wherefore let us rather hold with ,aristotle1 and his son ,nicomachus1--whose admirably written books on ,morals are said1 indeed1 to be ,aristotle's2 but ,i do not see why the son may not have been like his father2 but1 in most cases1 let us apply to ,theophrastus1 as long as we attribute a little more firmness and strength to virtue than he did4 ,let us1 then1 be content with these guides2 for their successors are wiser men1 indeed1 in my opinion1 than the philosophers of other schools3 but still they degenerate so from these great men1 that they seem to me rather to have arisen from themselves than from them4 ,in the first place1 ,strato1 the pupil of ,theophrastus1 called himself a natural philosopher3 and though1 in truth1 he is an eminent man in that line1 still most of what he said was novel2 and he said very little about morals4 ,his pupil ,lyco was rich in eloquence1 but very meagre in matter4 ,then his pupil ,aristo was a neat and elegant writer1 but still he had not that dignity which we look for in a great philosopher3 he wrote a great deal1 certainly1 and in a polished style2 but1 somehow or other1 his writings do not carry any weight4 ,i pass over several1 and among them that learned man and pleasant writer1 ,hieronymus2 and ,i do not know why ,i should call him a ,peripatetic1 for he defined the chief good to be freedom from pain3 and he who disagrees with me about the chief good1 disagrees with me about the whole principle of philosophy4 ,critolaus wished to copy the ancients2 and1 indeed1 he comes nearest to them in dignity1 and his eloquence is preeminent3 still he adheres to the ancient doctrine4 ,diodorus1 his pupil1 adds to honourableness freedom from pain3 he1 too1 clings to a theory of his own2 and1 as he disagrees from them about the chief good1 he is hardly entitled to be called a ,peripatetic4 ,but my friend ,antiochus seems to me to pursue the opinions of the ancients with the greatest care2 and he shows that they coincided with the doctrines of ,aristotle and ,polemo4 ,,vi4 ,my young friend ,lucius1 therefore1 acts prudently when he wishes chiefly to be instructed about the chief good2 for when this point is once settled in philosophy1 everything is settled4 ,for in other matters1 if anything is passed over1 or if we are ignorant of anything1 the inconvenience thus produced is no greater than the importance the matter is of in which the omission has taken place2 but if one is ignorant of what is the chief good1 one must necessarily be ignorant of the true principles of life2 and from this ignorance such great errors ensue that they cannot tell to what port to betake themselves4 ,but when one has acquired a knowledge of the chief ends1--when one knows what is the chief good and the chief evil1--then a proper path of life1 and a proper regulation of all the duties of life1 is found out4 ,there is1 therefore1 an object to which everything may be referred2 from which a system of living happily1 which is what every one desires1 may be discovered and adopted4 ,but since there is a great division of opinion as to what that consists in1 we had better employ the division of ,carneades1 which our friend ,antiochus prefers1 and usually adopts4 ,he therefore saw not only how many different opinions of philosophers on the subject of the chief good there were1 but how many there could be4 ,accordingly1 he asserted that there was no art which proceeded from itself2 for1 in truth1 that which is comprehended by an art is always exterior to the art4 ,there is no need of prolonging this argument by adducing instances2 for it is evident that no art is conversant about itself1 but that the art itself is one thing1 and the object which is proposed to be attained by the art another4 ,since1 therefore1 prudence is the art of living1 just as medicine is of health1 or steering of navigation1 it follows unavoidably that that also must have been established by1 and must proceed from1 something else4 ,but it is agreed among almost all people1 that that object with which prudence is conversant1 and which it wishes to arrive at1 ought to be fitted and suited to nature1 and to be of such a character as by itself to invite and attract that desire of the mind which the ,greeks call 4 ,but as to what it is which causes this excitement1 and which is so greatly desired by nature from its first existence1 it is not agreed2 and1 indeed1 there is a great dissension on the subject among philosophers whenever the chief good is the subject of investigation3 for the source of this whole question which is agitated as to the chief good and evil1 when men inquire what is the extreme and highest point of either1 must be traced back1 and in that will be found the primitive inducements of nature2 and when it is found1 then the whole discussion about the chief good and evil proceeds from it as from a spring4 ,,vii4 ,some people consider the first desire to be a desire of pleasure1 and the first thing which men seek to ward off to be pain3 others think that the first thing wished for is freedom from pain1 and the first thing shunned1 pain2 and from these men others proceed1 who call the first goods natural ones2 among which they reckon the safety and integrity of all one's parts1 good health1 the senses unimpaired1 freedom from pain1 strength1 beauty1 and other things of the same sort1 the images of which are the first things in the mind1 like the sparks and seeds of the virtues4 ,and of these three1 as there is some one thing by which nature is originally moved to feel desire1 or to repel something1 and as it is impossible that there should be anything except these three things1 it follows unavoidably that every duty1 whether of avoiding or of pursuing anything1 is referred to some one of these things2 so that that prudence1 which we have called the art of life1 is always conversant about some one of these three things from which it derives the beginning of the whole life3 and from that which it has pronounced to be the original cause by which nature is excited1 the principle of what is right and honourable arises2 which can agree with some one of these three divisions2 so that it is honourable to do everything for the sake of pleasure1 even if you do not obtain it2 or else for the sake of avoiding pain1 though you may not be able to compass that2 or else of getting some one of those things which are according to nature4 ,and thus it comes about that there is as much difference between the chief good and the chief evil as there is in their natural principles4 ,others again1 starting from the same beginning1 refer everything either to pleasure or to freedom from pain1 or else to the attainment of those primary goods which are according to nature4 ,now then that we have detailed six opinions about the chief good1 these are the chief advocates of the three last-mentioned opinions1--,aristippus1 the advocate of pleasure2 ,hieronymus1 of freedom from pain2 and ,carneades1 of the enjoyment of those things which we have called the principal things in accordance with nature 7though he1 indeed1 was not the author of this theory1 but only its advocate1 for the sake of maintaining a debate74 ,now1 the three former were such as might possibly be true1 though only one of them was defended1 and that was vehemently maintained4 ,for no one says1 that to do everything for the sake of pleasure1 or that1 even though we obtain nothing1 still the very design of acting so is of itself desirable1 and honourable1 and the only good2 no one ever even placed the avoidance of pain 7not even if it could be avoided7 among things intrinsically desirable2 but to do everything with a view to obtain the things which are according to nature1 even though we do not succeed in obtaining them1 the ,stoics do affirm to be honourable1 and the only thing to be desired for its own sake1 and the only good4 ,,viii4 ,these1 then1 are six plain opinions about the chief good and the chief evil1--two having no advocate1 but four being defended4 ,but of united and twofold explanations of the chief good there were in all three2 nor could there be more if you examine the nature of things thoroughly4 ,for either pleasure can be added to honourableness1 as ,callipho and ,dinomachus thought2 or freedom from pain1 as ,diodorus asserted2 or the first gifts of nature1 as the ancients said1 whom we call at the same time ,academics and ,peripatetics4 ,but1 since everything cannot be said at once1 at present these things ought to be known1 that pleasure ought to be excluded2 since1 as it will presently appear1 we have been born for higher purposes2 and nearly the same may be said of freedom from pain as of pleasure4 ,since then we have discussed pleasure with ,torquatus1 and honourableness 7in which alone every good was to consist7 with ,cato2 in the first place1 the arguments which were urged against pleasure are nearly equally applicable to freedom from pain4 ,nor1 indeed1 need we seek for any others to reply to that opinion of ,carneades2 for in whatever manner the chief good is explained1 so as to be unconnected with honourableness1 in that system duty1 and virtue1 and friendship1 can have no place4 ,but the union of either pleasure or freedom from pain with honourableness1 makes that very honourableness which it wishes to embrace dishonourable2 for to refer what you do to those things1 one of which asserts the man who is free from evil to be in the enjoyment of the chief good1 while the other is conversant with the most trifling part of our nature1 is rather the conduct of a man who would obscure the whole brilliancy of honourableness--,i might almost say1 who would pollute it4 ,the ,stoics remain1 who after they had borrowed everything from the ,peripatetics and ,academics1 pursued the same objects under different names4 ,it is better to reply to them all separately4 ,but let us stick to our present subject2 we can deal with those men at a more convenient season4 ,but the 8security0 of ,democritus1 which is as it were a sort of tranquillity of the mind which they all 1 deserved to be separated from this discussion1 because that tranquillity of the mind is of itself a happy life4 ,what we are inquiring1 however1 is not what it is1 but whence it is derived4 ,the opinions of ,pyrrho1 ,aristo1 and ,herillus1 have long ago been exploded and discarded1 as what can never be applicable to this circle of discussion to which we limit ourselves1 and which had no need to have been ever mentioned2 for as the whole of this inquiry is about the chief1 and what ,i may call the highest good and evil1 it ought to start from that point which we call suitable and adapted to nature1 and which is sought of itself for itself4 ,now this is wholly put out of the question by those who deny that in those things in which there is nothing either honourable or dishonourable1 there is any reason why one thing should be preferred to another1 and who think that there is actually no difference whatever between those things4 ,and ,herillus1 if he thought that nothing was good except knowledge1 put an end to all reason for taking counsel1 and to all inquiry about duty4 ,thus1 after we have got rid of the opinions of the rest1 as there can be no other1 this doctrine of the ancients must inevitably prevail4 ,,ix4 ,therefore1 after the fashion of the ancients1 which the ,stoics also adopt1 let us make this beginning3--,every animal loves itself1 and as soon as it is born labours to preserve itself1 because this is the first desire given to it by nature1 to regulate its whole life1 to preserve itself1 and to be so disposed as it best may in accordance with nature4 ,at the beginning it has such a confused and uncertain kind of organization that it can only just take care of itself1 whatever it is2 but it does not understand either what it is1 or what its powers are1 or what its nature is4 ,but when it has advanced a little1 and begins to perceive how far anything touches it1 or has reference to it1 then it begins gradually to improve1 and to comprehend itself1 and to understand for what cause it has that appetite of the mind which ,i have spoken of2 and begins also to desire those things which it feels to be suited to its nature1 and to keep off the contrary4 ,therefore1 in the case of every animal1 what it wishes is placed in that thing which is adapted to its nature4 ,and so the chief good is to live according to nature1 with the best disposition and the most suitable to nature that can be engendered4 ,but since every animal has his own peculiar nature1 it is plain that the object of each must be to have his nature satisfied4 ,for there is no hindrance to there being some things in common to all other animals1 and some common both to men and beasts1 since the nature of all is common4 ,but that highest and chief good and evil which we are in search of1 is distributed and divided among the different kinds of animals1 each having its own peculiar good and evil1 adapted to that end which the nature of each class of animal requires4 ,wherefore1 when we say that the chief good to all animals is to live according to nature1 this must be understood as if we said that they had all the same chief good4 ,but as it may truly be said to be common to all arts to be conversant about some science1 and that there is a separate science belonging to each art1 so we may say that it is common to all animals to live according to nature1 but that there are different natures2 so that the horse has by nature one chief good1 the ox another1 man another2 and yet in all there is one common end2 and that is the case too1 not only in animals1 but also in all those things which nature nourishes1 causes to grow1 and protects2 in which we see that those things which are produced out of the earth1 somehow or other by their own energy create many things for themselves which have influence on their life and growth1 and so each in their own kind they arrive at the chief good4 ,so that we may now embrace all such in one comprehensive statement2 and ,i need not hesitate to say1 that every nature is its own preserver2 and has for its object1 as its end and chief good1 to protect itself in the best possible condition that its kind admits of2 so that it follows inevitably that all things which flourish by nature have a similar but still not the same end4 ,and from this it should be understood1 that the chief and highest good to man is to live according to nature which we may interpret thus1--to live according to that nature of a man which is made perfect on all sides1 and is in need of nothing4 ,these things then we must explain2 and if our explanation is rather minute1 you will excuse it2 for we are bound to consider the youth of our hearer1 and the fact that he is now perhaps listening to such a discourse for the first time4 ,certainly1 said ,i2 although what you have said hitherto might be very properly addressed to hearers of any age4 ,x4 ,since then1 said he1 we have explained the limit of those things which are to be desired1 we must next show why the facts are as ,i have stated them4 ,wherefore1 let us set out from the position which ,i first laid down1 which is also in reality the first1 so that we may understand that every animal loves itself4 ,and though there is no doubt of this1 7for it is a principle fixed deep in nature itself1 and is comprehended by the sense of every one1 in such a degree that if any one wished to argue against it1 he would not be listened to17 yet1 that ,i may not pass over anything1 ,i think it as well to adduce some reasons why this is the case4 ,although1 how can any one either understand or fancy that there is any animal which hates itself8 ,it would be a contradiction of facts2 for when that appetite of the mind has begun designedly to attract anything to itself which is an hindrance to it1 because it is an enemy to itself1--when it does that for its own sake1 it will both hate itself and love itself1 which is impossible4 ,it is unavoidable that1 if any one is an enemy to himself1 he must think those things bad which are good1 and1 on the other hand1 those things good which are bad2 that he must avoid those things which he ought to seek1 and seek what he ought to avoid2 all which habits are indubitably the overturning of life4 ,for even if some people are found who seek for halters or other modes of destruction1 or1 like the man in ,terence1 who determined 8for such a length of time to do less injury to his son10 7as he says himself17 8until he becomes miserable10 it does not follow that they are to be thought enemies to themselves4 ,but some are influenced by pain1 others by desire2 many again are carried away by passion1 and while they knowingly run into evils1 still fancy that they are consulting their own interests most excellently2 and1 therefore1 they unhesitatingly say-- ,that is my way2 do you whate'er you must-- like men who have declared war against themselves1 who like to be tortured all day and tormented all night1 and who yet do not accuse themselves of having omitted to consult their own interests2 for this is a complaint made by those men who are dear to and who love themselves4 ,wherefore1 whenever a man is said to be but little obliged to himself1 to be a foe and enemy to himself1 and in short to flee from life1 it should be understood that there is some cause of that kind lying beneath the surface2 so that it may be understood from that very instance that every one is dear to himself4 ,nor is it sufficient that there has never been any one who hated himself2 but we must understand also that there is no one who thinks that it is a matter of indifference to him in what condition he is2 for all desire of the mind will be put an end to if1 as in those things between which there is no difference we are not more inclined to either side1 so also1 in the case of our own selves1 we think it makes no difference to us in what way we are affected4 ,,xi4 ,and this also would be a very absurd thing if any one were to say it1 namely1 that a man is loved by himself in such a manner that that vehement love is referred to some other thing1 and not to that very man who loves himself4 ,now when this is said in the case of friendship1 of duty1 or of virtue1 however it is said1 it is still intelligible what is meant by it2 but in regard to our own selves1 it cannot even be understood that we should love ourselves for the sake of something else1 or in a word1 for the sake of pleasure4 ,for it is for our sakes that we love pleasure1 and not for the sake of pleasure that we love ourselves2 although what can be more evident than that every one is not only dear1 but excessively dear to himself8 ,for who is there1 or at all events how few are there1 who when death approaches1 does not find ,his heart's blood chill'd with sudden fear1 ,his cheek grow pale8 and if it is a vice to dread the dissolution of nature so excessively1 7and the same thing on the same principle may be asserted of our aversion to pain17 still the fact that nearly every one is affected in this manner1 is a sufficient proof that nature abhors destruction4 ,and though some men show this dread or aversion to such a degree that they are deservedly blamed for it1 still this may show us that such feelings would not be so excessive in some people1 if a moderate degree of them were not implanted in mankind by nature4 ,nor1 indeed1 do ,i mean that fear of death which is shown by those men who1 because they think that they are being deprived of the goods of life1 or because they fear some terrible events after death1 or who1 because they are afraid of dying in pain1 therefore shun death2 for in the case of children1 who can have no such ideas or apprehensions1 they often show fear if1 when playing with them1 we threaten to throw them down from any place2 and even beasts1 as ,pacuvius says1 ,who have no cunning1 or prophetic craft ,to ward off danger ere it come1 shudder when the fear of death comes before them4 ,and1 indeed1 who entertains a different opinion of the wise man himself8 who1 even when he has decided that he must die1 still is affected by the departure from his family1 and by the fact that he must leave the light of day4 ,and above all is the power of nature visible in the human race1 since many endure beggary to preserve life1 and men worn out with old age are tortured with the idea of the approach of death1 and endure such things as we see ,philoctetes in the play suffer1 who1 while he was kept in torture by intolerable pains1 nevertheless preserved his life by the game which he could kill with his arrows4 ,he1 though slow1 o'ertook the swift1 ,he stood and slew the flying-- as ,attius says1 and made himself coverings for his body by plaiting the feathers together4 ,i am speaking of mankind1 and1 indeed1 generally of all animals1 though plants and trees have nearly the same nature1 whether1 as is the opinion of some most learned men1 because some predominant and divine cause has implanted this power in them1 or whether it is accidental4 ,we see those things which the earth produces preserved in vigour by their bark and roots1 which happens to animals by the arrangement of their senses1 and a certain compact conformation of limb4 ,and with reference to this subject1 although ,i agree with those men who think that all these things are regulated by nature1 and that if nature neglected to regulate them1 the animals themselves could not exist1 still ,i grant that those who differ on this subject may think what they please1 and may either understand that when ,i say the nature of man ,i mean man 7for it makes no difference72 for a man will be able to depart from himself sooner than he can lose the desire of those things which are advantageous to him4 ,rightly1 therefore1 have the most learned philosophers sought the principle of the chief good in nature1 and thought that that appetite for things adapted to nature is implanted in all men1 for they are kept together by that recommendation of nature in obedience to which they love themselves4 ,,xii4 ,the next thing which we must examine is1 what is the nature of man1 since it is sufficiently evident that every one is dear to himself by nature2 for that is the thing which we are really inquiring about4 ,but it is evident that man consists of mind and body1 and that the first rank belongs to the mind1 and the second to the body4 ,in the next place we see1 also1 that his body is so formed as to excel that of other animals1 and that his mind is so constituted as to be furnished with senses1 and to have excellence of intellect which the whole nature of man obeys1 in which there is a certain admirable force of reason1 and knowledge1 and science1 and all kinds of virtues2 for the things which are parts of the body have no authority to be compared with that possessed by the parts of the mind2 and they are more easily known4 ,therefore1 let us begin with them4 ,it is evident1 now1 how suitable to nature are the parts of our body1 and the whole general figure1 form1 and stature of it2 nor is there any doubt what kind of face1 eyes1 ears and other features are peculiar to man4 ,but certainly it is necessary for them to be in good health and vigorous1 and to have all their natural movements and uses2 so that no part of them shall be absent1 or disordered1 or enfeebled2 for nature requires soundness4 ,for there is a certain action of the body which has all its motions and its general condition in a state of harmony with nature1 in which if anything goes wrong through any distortion or depravity1 either by any irregular motion or disordered condition1--as if1 for instance1 a person were to walk on his hands1 or to walk not forwards but backwards1--then he would evidently appear to be flying from himself1 and to be putting off his manhood1 and to hate his own nature4 ,on which account1 also1 some ways of sitting down1 and some contorted and abrupt movements1 such as wanton or effeminate men at times indulge in1 are contrary to nature4 ,so that even if that should happen through any fault of the mind1 still the nature of the man would seem to be changed in his body4 ,therefore1 on the contrary1 moderate and equal conditions1 and affections1 and habits of the body1 seem to be suitable to nature4 ,but now the mind must not only exist1 but must exist in a peculiar manner1 so as to have all its parts sound1 and to have no virtue wanting3 but each sense has its own peculiar virtue1 so that nothing may hinder each sense from performing its office in the quick and ready perception of those things which come under the senses4 ,,xiii4 ,but there are many virtues of the mind1 and of that part of the mind which is the chief1 and which is called the intellect2 but these virtues are divided into two principal classes3 one1 consisting of those which are implanted by nature1 and are called involuntary2 the other1 of those which depend on the will1 and are more often spoken of by their proper name of virtues2 whose great excellence is attributed to the mind as a subject of praise4 ,now in the former class are docility1 memory1 and others1 nearly all of which are called by the one name of ingenium1 and those who possess them are called ingeniosi4 ,the other class consists of those which are great and real virtues2 which we call voluntary1 such as prudence1 temperance1 fortitude1 justice1 and others of the same kind4 ,and this was what might be said briefly of both mind and body2 and this statement supplies a sort of sketch of what the nature of man requires3--and from this it is evident1 since we are beloved by ourselves1 and since we wish everything both in our minds and bodies to be perfect1 that those qualities are dear to us for their own sakes1 and that they are of the greatest influence towards our living well4 ,for he to whom self-preservation is proposed as an object1 must necessarily feel an affection for all the separate parts of himself2 and a greater affection in proportion as they are more perfect and more praiseworthy in their separate kinds4 ,for that kind of life is desired which is full of the virtues of the mind and body2 and in that the chief good must unavoidably be placed1 since it ought to be of such a character as to be the highest of all desirable things4 ,and when we have ascertained that1 there ought to be no doubt entertained1 that as men are dear to themselves for their own sake1 and of their own accord1 so1 also1 the parts of the body and mind1 and of those things which are in the motion and condition of each1 are cultivated with a deserved regard1 and are sought for their own sakes4 ,and when this principle has been laid down1 it is easy to conjecture that those parts of us are most desirable which have the most dignity2 so that the virtue of each most excellent part which is sought for its own sake1 is also deserving of being principally sought after4 ,and the consequence will be1 that the virtue of the mind is preferred to the virtue of the body1 and that the voluntary virtues of the mind are superior to the involuntary2 for it is the voluntary ones which are properly called virtues1 and which are much superior to the others1 as being the offspring of reason2 than which there is nothing more divine in man4 ,in truth1 the chief good of all those qualities which nature creates and maintains1 and which are either unconnected or nearly so with the body1 is placed in the mind2 so that it appears to have been a tolerably acute observation which was made respecting the sow1 that that animal had a soul given it instead of salt to keep it from getting rotten4 ,,xiv4 ,but there are some beasts in which there is something resembling virtue1 such as lions1 dogs1 and horses2 in which we see movements not of the body only1 as we do in pigs1 but to a certain extent we may discern some movements of mind4 ,but in man the whole dominant power lies in the mind2 and the dominant power of the mind is reason3 and from this proceeds virtue1 which is defined as the perfection of reason3 which they think is to be gradually developed day by day4 ,those things1 too1 which the earth produces have a sort of gradual growth towards perfection1 not very unlike what we see in animals4 ,therefore we say that a vine lives1 and dies2 we speak of a tree as young1 or old2 being in its prime1 or growing old4 ,and it is therefore not inconsistent to speak1 as in the case of animals1 of some things in plants1 too1 being conformable to nature1 and some not3 and to say that there is a certain cultivation of them1 nourishing1 and causing them to grow1 which is the science and art of the farmer1 which prunes them1 cuts them in1 raises them1 trains them1 props them1 so that they may be able to extend themselves in the direction which nature points out2 in such a manner that the vines themselves1 if they could speak1 would confess that they ought to be managed and protected in the way they are4 ,and now indeed that which protects it 7that ,i may continue to speak chiefly of the vine7 is external to the vine3 for it has but very little power in itself to keep itself in the best possible condition1 unless cultivation is applied to it4 ,but if sense were added to the vine1 so that it could feel desire and be moved by itself1 what do you think it would do8 ,would it do those things which were formerly done to it by the vine-dresser1 and of itself attend to itself8 ,do you not see that it would also have the additional care of preserving its senses1 and its desire for all those things1 and its limbs1 if any were added to it8 ,and so too1 to all that it had before1 it will unite those things which have been added to it since3 nor will it have the same object that its dresser had1 but it will desire to live according to that nature which has been subsequently added to it3 and so its chief good will resemble that which it had before1 but will not be identical with it2 for it will be no longer seeking the good of a plant1 but that of an animal4 ,and suppose that not only the senses are given it1 but also the mind of a man1 does it not follow inevitably that those former things will remain and require to be protected1 and that among them these additions will be far more dear to it than its original qualities8 and that each portion of the mind which is best is also the dearest8 and that its chief good must now consist in satisfying its nature1 since intellect and reason are by far the most excellent parts of it8 ,and so the chief of all the things which it has to desire1 and that which is derived from the original recommendation of nature1 ascends by several steps1 so as at last to reach the summit2 because it is made up of the integrity of the body1 and the perfect reason of the intellect4 ,,xv4 ,as1 therefore1 the form of nature is such as ,i have described it1 if1 as ,i said at the beginning1 each individual as soon as he is born could know himself1 and form a correct estimate of what is the power both of his entire nature and of its separate parts1 he would see immediately what this was which we are in search of1 namely1 the highest and best of all the things which we desire3 nor would it be possible for him to make a mistake in anything4 ,but now nature is from the very beginning concealed in a wonderful manner1 nor can it be perceived nor comprehended4 ,but as our age advances1 we gradually1 or ,i should rather say slowly1 come to a kind of knowledge of ourselves4 ,therefore1 that original recommendation which is given to us by our nature1 is obscure and uncertain2 and that first appetite of the mind only goes the length of wishing to secure our own safety and soundness4 ,but when we begin to look around us1 and to feel what we are1 and in what we differ from all the other animals1 then we begin to pursue the objects for which we were born4 ,and we see a similar thing take place in beasts1 who at first do not move from the place in which they were born2 but afterwards all move1 influenced by some desire of their own4 ,and so we see snakes crawl1 ducks swim1 blackbirds fly1 oxen use their horns1 scorpions their stings2 and we see nature a guide to each animal in its path of life4 ,and the case is similar with the human race4 ,for infants at their first birth lie as if they were utterly devoid of mind2 but when a little strength has been added to them1 they use both their mind and their senses1 and endeavour to raise themselves up and to use their hands2 and they recognise those by whom they are being brought up2 and afterwards they are amused with those of their own age1 and gladly associate with them1 and give themselves up to play1 and are attracted by hearing stories1 and are fond of pleasing others with their own superfluities2 and take curious notice of what is done at home1 and begin to make remarks1 and to learn2 and do not like to be ignorant of the names of those whom they see2 and in their sports and contests with their fellows1 they are delighted if they win1 and if they are beaten they are dejected and lose their spirits4 ,and we must not think that any of these things happen without reason2 for the power of man is produced in such a way by nature1 that it seems made for a perception of all excellence3 and on that account children1 even without being taught1 are influenced by likeness of those virtues of which they have the seeds in themselves2 for they are the original elements of nature3 and when they have acquired growth1 then the whole work of nature is accomplished4 ,for as we have been born and created so as to contain in ourselves the principles of doing something1 and of loving somebody1 and of liberality1 and of gratitude2 and so as to have minds adapted for knowledge1 prudence1 and fortitude1 and averse to their opposites2 it is not without cause that we see in children those sparks1 as it were1 of virtue which ,i have mentioned1 by which the reason of a philosopher ought to be kindled to follow that guide as if it were a god1 and so to arrive at the knowledge of the object of nature4 ,for1 as ,i have often said already1 the power of nature is discerned through a cloud while we are of a weak age and feeble intellect2 but when our mind has made progress and acquired strength1 then it recognises the power of nature1 but still in such a way that it can make more progress still1 and that it must derive the beginning of that progress from itself4 ,,xvi4 ,we must therefore enter into the nature of things1 and see thoroughly what it demands2 for otherwise we cannot arrive at the knowledge of ourselves4 ,and because this precept was too important an one to be discerned by a man1 it has on that account been attributed to ,god4 ,the ,pythian ,apollo1 then1 enjoins us to know ourselves3 but this knowledge is to know the power of our mind and body1 and to follow that course of life which enjoys the circumstances in which it is placed4 ,and since that desire of the mind to have all the things which ,i have mentioned in the most perfect manner in which nature could provide them1 existed from the beginning1 we must admit1 when we have obtained what we desired1 that nature consists in that as its extreme point1 and that that is the chief good3 which certainly must in every case be sought for spontaneously for its own sake1 since it has already been proved1 that even all its separate parts are to be desired for their own sake4 ,but if1 in enumerating the advantages of the body1 any one should think that we have passed over pleasure1 that question may be postponed till another opportunity2 for it makes no difference with regard to the present subject of our discussion1 whether pleasure consists in those things which we have called the chief things in accordance with nature1 or whether it does not4 ,for if1 as ,i indeed think1 pleasure is not the crowning good of nature1 it has been properly passed over3 but if that crowning good does exist in pleasure1 as some assert1 then the fact does not at all hinder this idea of ours of the chief good from being the right one4 ,for1 if to those things which are the principal goods of nature1 pleasure is added1 then there will have been added just one advantage of the body2 but no change will have been made in the original definition of the chief good which was laid down at first4 ,,xvii4 ,and hitherto1 indeed1 reason has advanced with us in such a way as to be wholly derived from the original recommendation of nature4 ,but now we must pursue another kind of argument1 namely1 that we are moved in these matters of our own exceeding goodwill1 not only because we love ourselves1 but because there is both in the body and in the mind a peculiar power belonging to each part of nature4 ,and1 7to begin with the body17 do you not see that if there is anything in their limbs deformed1 or weak1 or deficient1 men conceal it8 and take pains1 and labour earnestly1 if they can possibly contrive it1 to prevent that defect of the body from being visible1 or else to render it as little visible as possible8 and that they submit to great pain for the sake of curing any such defect8 in order that1 even though the actual use of the limb1 after the application of the remedy1 be likely to be not greater1 but even less1 still the appearance of the limb may be restored to the ordinary course of nature4 ,in truth1 as all men fancy that they are altogether desirable by nature1 and that too1 not on any other account1 but for their own sakes1 it follows inevitably that each part of them should be desired for its own sake1 because the whole body is sought for its own sake4 ,what more need ,i say8 ,is there nothing in the motion and condition of the body which nature herself decides ought to be noticed8 for instance1 how a person walks or sits1 what the expression of his countenance is1 what his features are2 is there nothing in all these things which we think worthy or unworthy of a free man1 as the case may be8 ,do we not think many men deserving of hatred1 who appear by some motion or condition to have despised the laws and moderation of nature8 ,and since these things are derived from the body1 what is the reason why beauty also may not fairly be said to be a thing to be desired for its own sake8 ,for if we consider distortion or disfigurement of the body a thing to be avoided for its own sake1 why should we not also1 and perhaps still more1 cultivate dignity of form for its own sake8 ,and if we avoid what is unseemly1 both in the condition and motion of the body1 why may we not on the other hand pursue beauty8 ,and we also desire health1 strength1 and freedom from pain1 not merely because of their utility1 but also for their own sakes4 ,for since nature wishes to be made complete in all her parts1 she desires this condition of the body1 which is most according to nature1 for its own sake3 but nature is put into complete confusion if the body is either sick1 or in pain1 or destitute of strength4 ,,xviii4 ,let us consider the parts of the mind1 the appearance of which is more noble2 for in proportion as they are more sublime1 they give a more clear indication of their nature4 ,so vehement a love1 then1 of knowledge and science is innate in us1 that no one can doubt that the nature of man is drawn to them without being attracted by any external gain4 ,do we not see how boys cannot be deterred even by stripes from the consideration and investigation of such and such things8 how1 though they may be beaten1 they still pursue their inquiries1 and rejoice in having acquired some knowledge8 how they delight in telling others what they have learnt8 how they are attracted by processions1 and games1 and spectacles of that kind1 and will endure even hunger and thirst for such an object8 ,can ,i say no more8 ,do we not see those who are fond of liberal studies and arts regard neither their health nor their estate8 and endure everything because they are charmed with the intrinsic beauty of knowledge and science8 and that they put the pleasures which they derive from learning in the scale against the greatest care and labour8 ,and ,homer himself appears to me to have had some such feeling as this1 which he has developed in what he has said about the songs of the ,sirens3 for they do not seem to have been accustomed to attract those who were sailing by with the sweetness of their voices1 or with any novelty or variety in their song1 but the profession which they made of possessing great knowledge2 so that men clung to their rocks from a desire of learning4 ,for thus they invite ,ulysses1 7for ,i have translated several passages of ,homer1 and this among them7-- ,oh stay1 ,o pride of ,greece6 ,ulysses1 stay6 ,oh1 cease thy course1 and listen to our lay6 ,blest is the man ordain'd our voice to hear3 ,our song instructs the soul and charms the ear4 ,approach1 thy soul shall into raptures rise2 ,approach1 and learn new wisdom from the wise4 ,we know whate'er the kings of mighty name ,achieved at ,ilium in the field of fame2 ,whate'er beneath the sun's bright journey lies-- ,oh stay1 and learn new wisdom from the wise47#di7 ,homer saw that the story would not be probable if he represented so great a man as caught by mere songs2 so they promise him knowledge1 which it was not strange that a man desirous of wisdom should consider dearer than his country4 ,and1 indeed1 to wish to know everything of every kind1 is natural to the curious2 but1 to be attracted by the contemplation of greater objects1 to entertain a general desire for knowledge1 ought to be considered a proof of a great man4 ,,xix4 ,what ardour for study do you not suppose there must have been in ,archimedes1 who was so occupied in drawing some mathematical figures in the sand1 that he was not aware that his city was taken8 ,and what a mighty genius was that of ,aristoxenus which1 we see1 was devoted to music8 ,what fondness1 too1 for study1 must have inspired ,aristophanes1 to dedicate his whole life to literature6 ,what shall we say of ,pythagoras8 ,why should ,i speak of ,plato and of ,democritus1 by whom1 we see1 that the most distant countries were travelled over1 on account of their desire for learning8 ,and those who are blind to this have never loved anything very worthy of being known4 ,and here ,i may say1 that those who say that those studies which ,i have mentioned are cultivated for the sake of the pleasures of the mind1 do not understand that they are desirable for their own sakes1 because the mind is delighted by them1 without the interruption of any ideas of utility1 and rejoices in the mere fact of knowledge1 even though it may possibly produce inconvenience4 ,but why need we seek for more instances to prove what is so evident8 ,for let us examine our own selves1 and inquire how the motions of the stars1 and the contemplation of the heavenly bodies1 and the knowledge of all those things which are hidden from us by the obscurity of nature1 affect us2 and why history1 which we are accustomed to trace back as far as possible1 delights us2 in the investigation of which we go over again all that has been omitted1 and follow up all that we have begun4 ,nor1 indeed1 am ,i ignorant that there is a use1 and not merely pleasure1 in history4 ,what1 however1 will be said1 with reference to our reading with pleasure imaginary fables1 from which no utility can possibly be derived8 ,or to our wishing that the names of those who have performed any great exploits1 and their family1 and their country1 and many circumstances besides1 which are not at all necessary1 should be known to us8 ,how shall we explain the fact1 that men of the lowest rank1 who have no hope of ever performing great deeds themselves1 artisans in short1 are fond of history2 and that we may see that those persons also are especially fond of hearing and reading of great achievements1 who are removed from all hope of ever performing any1 being worn out with old age8 ,it must1 therefore1 be understood1 that the allurements are in the things themselves which are learnt and known1 and that it is they themselves which excite us to learning and to the acquisition of information4 ,and1 indeed1 the old philosophers1 in their fictitious descriptions of the islands of the blessed1 intimate the kind of life which the wise pass1 whom they imagine to be free from all care1 requiring no cultivation or appointments of life as necessary1 and doing1 and about to do nothing else but devote their whole time to inquiring and learning and arriving at a knowledge of nature4 ,but we see that that is not only the delight of a happy life1 but also a relief from misery4 ,therefore1 many men while in the power of enemies or tyrants1 many while in prison or in exile1 have relieved their sorrow by the study of literature4 ,a great man of this city1 ,demetrius ,phalereus1 when he had been unjustly banished from his country1 fled to ,alexandria1 to king ,ptolemy2 and1 as he was very eminent for his knowledge of this philosophy to which we are exhorting you1 and had been a pupil of ,theophrastus1 he wrote many admirable treatises during the time of that unfortunate leisure of his1 not1 indeed1 for any utility to himself1 for that was out of his reach1 but the cultivation of his mind was to him a sort of sustenance for his human nature4 ,i1 indeed1 have often heard ,cnus ,aufidius1 a man of prtorian rank1 of great learning1 but blind1 say that he was affected more by a regret for the loss of light1 than of any actual benefit which he derived from his eyes4 ,lastly1 if sleep did not bring us rest to our bodies1 and a sort of medicine after labour1 we should think it contrary to nature1 for it deprives us of our senses1 and takes away our power of action4 ,therefore1 if either nature were in no need of rest1 or if it could obtain it by any other means1 we should be glad1 since even now we are in the habit of doing without sleep1 in a manner almost contrary to nature1 when we want to do or to learn something4 ,,xx4 ,but there are tokens supplied by nature1 still clearer1 or1 ,i may say1 entirely evident and indubitable1--more especially1 indeed1 in man1 but also in every animal1--that the mind is always desirous to be doing something1 and can in no condition endure perpetual rest4 ,it is easy to see this in the earliest age of children2 for although ,i fear that ,i may appear prolix on this subject1 still all the ancient philosophers1 and especially those of our own country1 have recourse to the cradle for illustrations1 because they think that in childhood they can most easily detect the will of nature4 ,we see1 then1 that even infants cannot rest2 but1 when they have advanced a little1 then they are delighted with even laborious sports1 so that they cannot be deterred from them even by beating3 and that desire for action grows with their growth4 ,therefore1 we should not like to have the slumber of ,endymion given to us1 not even if we expected to enjoy the most delicious dreams2 and if it were1 we should think it like death4 ,moreover1 we see that even the most indolent men1 men of a singular worthlessness1 are still always in motion both in mind and body2 and when they are not hindered by some unavoidable circumstance1 that they demand a dice-box or some game of some kind1 or conversation2 and1 as they have none of the liberal delights of learning1 seek circles and assemblies4 ,even beasts1 which we shut up for our own amusement1 though they are better fed than if they were free1 still do not willingly endure being imprisoned1 but pine for the free and unrestrained movements given to them by nature4 ,therefore1 in proportion as every one is born and prepared for the best objects1 he would be unwilling to live at all if1 being excluded from action1 he were able only to enjoy the most abundant pleasures4 ,for men wish either to do something as individuals1 or those who have loftier souls undertake the affairs of the state1 and devote themselves to the attainment of honours and commands1 or else wholly addict themselves to the study of learning2 in which path of life they are so far from getting pleasures1 that they even endure care1 anxiety and sleeplessness1 enjoying only that most excellent portion of man which may be accounted divine in us1 ,i mean the acuteness of the genius and intellect1 and they neither seek for pleasure nor shun labour4 ,nor do they intermit either their admiration of the discoveries of the ancients1 or their search after new ones2 and1 as they are insatiable in their pursuit of such1 they forget everything else1 and admit no low or grovelling thoughts2 and such great power is there in those studies1 that we see even those who have proposed to themselves other chief goods1 which they measure by advantage or pleasure1 still devote their lives to the investigation of things1 and to the explanation of the mysteries of nature4 ,,xxi4 ,this1 then1 is evident1 that we were born for action4 ,but there are several kinds of action1 so that the lesser are thrown into the shade by those more important4 ,but those of most consequence are1 first of all1 as it appears to me1 and to those philosophers whose system we are at present discussing1 the consideration and knowledge of the heavens1 and of those things which are hidden and concealed by nature1 but into which reason can still penetrate4 ,and1 next to them1 the management of state affairs1 or a prudent1 temperate1 courageous principle of government and knowledge1 and the other virtues1 and such actions as are in harmony with those virtues1 which we1 embracing them all in one word1 call honourable2 to the knowledge and practice of which we are led by nature herself1 who goes before us as our guide1 we having been already encouraged to pursue it4 ,for the beginnings of all things are small1 but1 as they proceed1 they increase in magnitude1 and that naturally3 for1 at their first birth1 there is in them a certain tenderness and softness1 so that they cannot see or do what is best4 ,for the light of virtue and of a happy life1 which are the two principal things to be desired1 appears rather later2 and much later still in such a way that it can be plainly perceived of what character they are4 ,for1 admirably does ,plato say1 8,that man is happy to whom1 even in his old age1 it is allowed to arrive at wisdom and correctness of judgment40 ,wherefore1 since we have said enough of the first advantages of nature1 we will now examine those which are more important1 and which are later in point of time4 ,nature1 then1 has made and fashioned the body of man in such a manner1 that it makes some parts of him perfect at his first birth1 and forms others as he advances in age2 and1 at the same time1 does not employ many external or adventitious aids4 ,but she has filled up the perfection of the mind in the same way as that of the body2 for she has adorned it with senses suitable for the effecting of its purposes1 so that it is not in the least1 or not much1 in want of any assistance for strengthening itself4 ,but that which is most excellent and important in man it has abandoned3 although it has given him an intellect able to receive every kind of virtue1 and has implanted in him1 even without instruction1 a slight knowledge of the most important things1 and has begun1 as it were1 to teach him1 and has led him on to those elements as ,i may call them1 of virtue which existed in him4 ,but it has only begun virtue itself1 nothing more4 ,therefore it belongs to us1--when ,i say to us1 ,i mean to our art1--to trace back the consequences to those principles which we have received1 until we have accomplished our object1 which is indeed of a good deal more consequence1 and a good deal more to be desired for its own sake1 than either the senses1 or those parts of the body which we have mentioned2 which the excellent perfection of the mind is so far superior to1 that it can scarcely be imagined how great the difference is4 ,therefore1 all honour1 all admiration1 all study is referred to virtue1 and to those actions which are consistent with virtue2 and all those things which are either in our minds in that state1 or are done in that manner1 are called by one common name--honourable4 ,and we shall presently see what knowledge we have of all these things1 and what is meant by the different names1 and what the power and nature of each is4 ,,xxii4 ,but at present we need only explain that these things which ,i call honourable1 7besides the fact of our living ourselves on their account17 are also by their own nature deserving of being sought for their own sake4 ,children show this1 in whom nature is perceived as in a mirror4 ,what eagerness is there in them when contending together6 how vigorous are their contests6 how elated are those who win6 how ashamed those who are beaten6 how unwilling are they to be blamed6 how eager to be praised6 what labours will they not endure to surpass their fellows6 what a recollection have they of those who are kind to them6 how anxious are they to prove their gratitude6 and these qualities are most visible in the best dispositions2 in which all these honourable qualities which we appreciate are filled up as it were by nature4 ,but in children they are only sketched4 ,again1 in more mature age1 who is so unlike a man as not to be moved to a dislike of baseness and approval of what is honourable8 ,who is there who does not loathe a libidinous and licentious youth8 who1 on the contrary1 does not love modesty and constancy in that age1 even though his own interest is not at all concerned8 ,who does not detest ,pullus ,numitorius1 of ,fregell1 the traitor1 although he was of use to our own republic8 who does not praise ,codrus1 the saviour of his city1 and the daughters of ,erectheus8 ,who does not detest the name of ,tubulus8 and love the dead ,aristides8 ,do we forget how much we are affected at hearing or reading when we are brought to the knowledge of anything which has been done in a pious1 or friendly1 or magnanimous spirit8 ,why should ,i speak of men like ourselves1 who have been born and brought up and trained to praise and glory8 ,what shouts of the common people and of the unlettered crowd are excited in the theatres when this sentence is uttered-- ,i am ,orestes3 and when1 on the other hand1 the other actor says-- ,no2 it is ,i1 'tis ,i who am ,orestes4 ,but when one of them is allowed to depart by the perplexed and bewildered king1 and they demand to die together1 is this scene ever acted without being accompanied by the most violent expressions of admiration8 ,there is no one1 then1 who does not approve of and praise this disposition of mind2 by which not only no advantage is sought1 but good faith is preserved even at the expense of one's advantage4 ,and not only are imaginary fables1 but true histories also1 and especially those of our country1 full of such instances3 for we selected our most virtuous citizen to receive the ,idan sacred vessels2 we have sent guardians to kings2 our generals have devoted their lives for the safety of the republic2 our consuls have warned a king who was our greatest enemy1 when he was actually approaching our walls1 to beware of poison4 ,in our republic1 a woman has been found to expiate1 by a voluntary death1 a violation which was inflicted on her by force2 and a man to kill his daughter to save her from being ravished4 ,all which instances1 and a countless host of others1 prove to the comprehension of every one that those who performed those deeds were induced to do so by the brilliancy of virtue1 forgetful of their own advantage1 and that we1 when we praise those actions1 are influenced by nothing but their honourable character4 ,,xxiii4 ,and having briefly explained these matters1 7for ,i have not sought to adduce the number of examples which ,i might have done1 because there was no doubt on the subject17 it is shown sufficiently by these facts that all the virtues1 and that honourableness which arises from these virtues1 and clings to them1 are worthy to be sought for their own sake4 ,but in the whole of this honourableness of which we are speaking1 there is nothing so eminent1 nor so extensive in its operation1 as the union of man with man1 and a certain partnership in and communication of advantages1 and the affection itself of the human race2 which originating in that first feeling according to which the offspring is loved by the parent1 and the whole house united by the bonds of wedlock and descent1 creeps gradually out of doors1 first of all to one's relations1 then to one's connexions1 then to one's friends and neighbours1 then to one's fellow-countrymen1 and to the public friends and allies of one's country2 then it embraces the whole human race3 and this disposition of mind1 giving every one his due1 and protecting with liberality and equity this union of human society which ,i have spoken of1 is called justice1 akin to which are piety1 kindness1 liberality1 benevolence1 courtesy1 and all other qualities of the same kind4 ,but these1 though peculiarly belonging to justice1 are also common to the other virtues4 ,for as the nature of man has been created such that it has a sort of innate principle of society and citizenship1 which the ,greeks call 1 whatever each virtue does will not be inconsistent with that principle of common union1 and that human affection and society which ,i have spoken of2 and justice1 as she founds herself in practice on the other virtues1 will also require them1 for justice cannot be maintained except by a courageous and wise man4 ,honourableness itself1 then1 is a thing of the same character as all this conspiracy and agreement of the virtues which ,i have been speaking of2 since it is either virtue itself1 or an action virtuously performed4 ,and a life acting in harmony and consistency with this system1 and with virtue1 may fairly be thought upright and honourable1 and consistent1 and natural4 ,and this union and combination of virtues is nevertheless divided by philosophers on some principle of their own4 ,for though they are so joined and connected as to be all partners with one another1 and to be unable to be separated from one another1 yet each has its peculiar sphere of duty2 as1 for instance1 fortitude is discerned in labour and danger2 temperance1 in the disregard of pleasures2 prudence1 in the choice of good and evil2 justice1 in giving every one his due4 ,since1 then1 there is in every virtue a certain care which turns its eyes abroad1 as it were1 and which is anxious about and embraces others1 the conclusion is1 that friends1 and brothers1 and relations1 and connexions1 and fellow-countrymen1 and in short everybody1 since we wish the society of all mankind to be one1 are to be sought after for their own sakes4 ,but still1 of all these things and people there is nothing of such a kind that it can be accounted the chief good4 ,and from this it follows1 that there are found to be two kinds of goods which are to be sought for their own sake4 ,one kind which exists in those things in which that chief good is brought to perfection3 and they are qualities of either the mind or body4 ,but these things which are external1 that is to say1 which are in neither mind nor body1 such as friends1 parents1 children1 relations1 or one's country1 are indeed dear to me for their own sake1 but still are not of the same class as the other kind4 ,nor1 indeed1 could any one ever arrive at the chief good1 if all those things which are external1 although desirable1 were contained in the chief good4 ,,xxiv4 ,how then1 you will say1 can it be true that everything is referred to the chief good1 if friendship1 and relationship1 and all other external things are not contained in the chief good8 ,why1 on this principle1--because we protect those things which are external with those duties which arise from their respective kinds of virtue4 ,for the cultivation of the regard of a friend or a parent1 which is the discharge of a duty1 is advantageous in the actual fact of its being such1 inasmuch as to discharge a duty is a good action2 and good actions spring from virtues2 and wise men attend to them1 using nature as a kind of guide4 ,but men who are not perfect1 though endued with admirable talents and dispositions1 are often excited by glory1 which has the form and likeness of honourableness4 ,but if they were to be thoroughly acquainted with the nature of that honourableness which is wholly complete and perfect1 that one thing which is the most admirable of all things1 and the most praiseworthy1 with what joy would they be filled1 when they are so greatly delighted at its outline and bare idea6 ,for who that is given up to pleasure1 and inflamed with the conflagration of desire in the enjoyment of those things which he has most eagerly wished for1 can we imagine to be full of such joy as the elder ,africanus after he had conquered ,hannibal1 or the younger one after he had destroyed ,carthage8 ,what man was there who was so much elated with the way in which all the people flocked to the ,tiber on that day of festivity as ,lucius ,paullus1 when he was leading in triumph king ,perses as his prisoner1 who was conveyed down on the same river8 ,come now1 my friend ,lucius1 build up in your mind the lofty excellence of virtue1 and you will not doubt that the men who are possessed of it1 and who live with a magnanimous and upright spirit1 are always happy2 men who are aware that all the movements of fortune1 all the changes of affairs and circumstances1 must be insignificant and powerless if ever they come to a contest with virtue4 ,for those things which are considered by us as goods of the body1 do indeed make up a happy life1 but still not without leaving it possible for a life to be happy without them4 ,for so slight and inconsiderable are those additions of goods1 that as stars in the orbit of the sun are not seen1 so neither are those qualities1 but they are lost in the brilliancy of virtue4 ,and as it is said with truth that the influence of the advantages of the body have but little weight in making life happy1 so on the other hand it is too strong an assertion to say that they have no weight at all3 for those who argue thus appear to me to forget the principles of nature which they themselves have contended for4 ,we must1 therefore1 allow these things some influence3 provided only that we understand how much we ought to allow them4 ,it is1 however1 the part of a philosopher1 who seeks not so much for what is specious as for what is true1 neither utterly to disregard those things which those very boastful men used to admit to be in accordance with nature2 and at the same time to see that the power of virtue1 and the authority1 if ,i may say so1 of honourableness1 is so great that all those other things appear to be1 ,i will not say nothing1 but so trivial as to be little better than nothing4 ,this is the language natural to a man who1 on the one hand1 does not despise everything except virtue1 and who1 at the same time1 honours virtue with the praises which it deserves4 ,this1 in short1 is a full and perfect explanation of the chief good2 and as the others have attempted to detach different portions from the main body of it1 each individual among them has wished to appear to have established his own theory as the victorious one4 ,,xxv4 ,the knowledge of things has been often extolled in a wonderful manner by ,aristotle and ,theophrastus for its own sake4 ,and ,herillus1 being allured by this single fact1 maintained that knowledge was the chief good1 and that there was no other thing whatever that deserved to be sought for its own sake4 ,many things have been said by the ancients on the subject of despising and contemning all human affairs4 ,this was the one principle of ,aristo2 he declared that there was nothing which ought to be avoided or desired except vice and virtue4 ,and our school has placed freedom from pain among those things which are in accordance with nature4 ,hieronymus has said that this is the chief good3 but ,callipho1 and ,diodorus after him1 one of whom was devoted to pleasure1 and the other to freedom from pain1 could neither of them allow honourableness to be left out1 which has been especially praised by our countrymen4 ,moreover1 even the advocates of pleasure seek for subterfuges1 and are talking of virtue whole days together2 and say that pleasure is at first only wished for2 that afterwards it1 through custom1 becomes a second nature1 by which men are excited to do many things without at all seeking pleasure4 ,the ,stoics remain to be mentioned4 ,they1 indeed1 have borrowed not one idea or another from us1 but have appropriated our whole system of philosophy4 ,and as other thieves alter the marks on the things which they have stolen1 so they1 in order to be able to use our opinions as their own1 have changed the names which are like the private marks on things4 ,and so this school alone remains worthy of those men who study the liberal arts1 worthy of the learned1 worthy of eminent men1 worthy of princes1 worthy of kings4 ,and when he had said this1 and then stopped to take breath for a while2 ,what is the matter8 said he2 do ,i not seem to have said enough in your presence for my own defence8 ,i replied1--,indeed1 ,o ,piso1 as has often been the case before1 you have seemed to-day to have so thorough an acquaintance with all these things1 that1 if we could always have the advantage of your company1 ,i should not think that we had much reason to have recourse to the ,greeks4 ,which1 indeed1 ,i have been the more pleased with1 because ,i recollect that ,staseas1 the ,neapolitan1 your preceptor1 a very illustrious ,peripatetic1 was at times accustomed to discuss these points differently1 agreeing with those men who attributed a great deal of weight to prosperity and adversity1 and to the good or evil qualities of the body4 ,it is as you say1 he replied3 but these points are argued with much more accuracy and impressiveness by my friend ,antiochus than they used to be by ,staseas4 ,although ,i do not ask what ,i have proved to your satisfaction1 but what ,i have proved to the satisfaction of this friend of mine1 the young ,cicero1 a pupil whom ,i wish to seduce from you4 ,,xxvi4 ,then ,lucius said1--,indeed1 ,i quite agree with what you have said1 and ,i think my brother does too4 ,then said ,piso to me3 ,is it so8 ,do you pardon the youth8 or would you rather that he should learn these things which1 when he has learnt thoroughly1 he will know nothing at all8 ,i give him leave1 said ,i4 ,but do not you recollect that ,i am allowed to express my approval or disapproval of what has been said by you8 ,for who can avoid approving of what appears to him to be probable8 ,can any1 we said1 approve of anything of which he has not a thorough perception1 comprehension1 and knowledge8 ,there is1 said ,i1 no great dispute between us1 ,piso2 for there is no other reason why it appears to me that nothing can be perceived except that the faculty of perceiving is defined in such a manner by the ,stoics that they affirm that nothing can be perceived except what is so true that it cannot possibly be false4 ,therefore there is a dispute between us and the ,stoics1 but none between us and the ,peripatetics4 ,however1 we may pass over this1 for it would open the door to a long and sufficiently bitter dispute4 ,it seemed to me that it was too hasty an assertion of yours that all wise men were always happy4 ,i know not how such a sentence escaped you2 but unless it is proved1 ,i fear that the assertion which ,theophrastus made with respect to fortune1 and pain1 and bodily torture be true1 with which he did not consider that a happy life could possibly be joined1 must be true4 ,for it is exceedingly inconsistent that the same person should be happy1 and afflicted with many misfortunes2 and how these things can be reconciled1 ,i do not at all understand4 ,which assertion then1 said he1 is it that you object to8 ,do you deny that the power of virtue is so great that she can by herself be sufficient for happiness8 or1 if you admit that1 do you think it impossible that those persons who are possessed of virtue may be happy1 even if they are afflicted with some evils8 ,i1 indeed1 ,i replied1 wish to attribute as much power as possible to virtue2 however1 we may discuss at another time how great her power is2 at present the only question is1 whether she has so much power as this1 if anything external to virtue is reckoned among the goods4 ,but1 said he1 if you grant to the ,stoics that virtue alone1 if it be present1 makes life happy1 you grant it also to the ,peripatetics2 for those things which they do not venture to call evils1 but which they admit to be unpleasant and inconvenient1 and to be rejected1 and odious to nature we call evils1 but slight1 and1 indeed1 exceedingly trifling ones4 ,wherefore1 if that man can be happy who is among disagreeable things which ought to be rejected1 he also may be so who is among slight evils4 ,and ,i say1 ,o ,piso1 if there is any one who in causes is used to have a clear insight into what the real question is1 you are the man3 wherefore ,i beg of you to take notice2 for1 hitherto1 owing perhaps to my fault1 you do not perceive what it is that ,i am seeking4 ,i am attending1 said he2 and ,i am waiting to see what answer you will make to the questions that ,i ask4 ,,xxvii4 ,i will answer1 said ,i1 that ,i am not inquiring at present what virtue can effect1 but what is said consistently on the subject1 and why the assertions are at variance with one another4 ,how so8 said he4 ,because1 said ,i1 when this pompous assertion is uttered by ,zeno1 as if he were an oracle1--8,virtue requires nothing beyond herself to enable a man to live happily0--why8 said he--8,because there is no other good except what is honourable40 ,i do not ask now whether that is true2 ,i only say that what he says is admirably consistent4 ,epicurus will say the same thing--8that the wise man is always happy20 which1 indeed1 he is in the habit of spouting out sometimes4 ,and he says that this wise man1 when he is being torn to pieces with the most exquisite pains1 will say1 8,how pleasant it is6 how ,i disregard it60 ,i will not argue with the man as to why there is so much power in nature2 ,i will only urge that he does not understand what he ought to say1 after he has said that pain is the greatest evil4 ,now ,i will address the same language to you4 ,you say that all the goods and evils are the same that those men pronounce them to be who have never even seen a philosopher in a picture1 as the saying is--namely1 health1 strength1 stature1 beauty1 the soundness of all a man's nails1 you call good--deformity1 disease1 weakness you call evils4 ,these are all externals2 do not go on any more2 but at all events you will reckon these things among the goods1 as the goods of the body which help to compose them1 namely1 friends1 children1 relations1 riches1 honour1 power4 ,take notice that ,i say nothing against this4 ,if those are evils into which a wise man can fall1 then it follows that to be a wise man is not sufficient to secure a happy life4 ,indeed1 said he1 it is very little towards securing a perfectly happy one1 but enough for securing a tolerably happy one4 ,i have noticed1 said he1 that you made this distinction a little while ago1 and ,i know that our friend ,antiochus used to speak in this manner4 ,but what can be less approved of than the idea of a person being happy1 and yet not happy enough8 ,for when anything is enough1 then whatever is added to that is excess3 and no one is too happy3 and no one is happier than a happy man4 ,therefore1 said he1 was not ,quintus ,metellus1 who saw three of his sons consuls1 one of whom was also censor and celebrated a triumph1 and a fourth prtor2 and who left them all in safety behind him1 and who saw his three daughters married1 having been himself consul1 censor and augur1 and having celebrated a triumph2 was he not1 ,i say1 in your opinion1 7supposing him to have been a wise man17 happier than ,regulus1 who being in the power of the enemy1 was put to death by sleeplessness and hunger1 though he may have been equally wise8 ,,xxviii4 ,why do you ask me that8 said ,i2 ask the ,stoics4 ,what answer1 then1 said he1 do you suppose they will make8 ,they will say that ,metellus was in no respect more happy than ,regulus4 ,let us1 then1 said he1 hear what they have got to say4 ,but1 said ,i1 we are wandering from our subject2 for ,i am not asking what is true1 but what each person ought to say4 ,i wish1 indeed1 that they would say that one man is happier than another3 you should see the ruin ,i would make of them4 ,for1 as the chief good consists in virtue alone1 and in honourableness2 and as neither virtue1 as they say1 nor honourableness is capable of growth1 and as that alone is good which makes him who enjoys it necessarily happy1 as that in which alone happiness is placed cannot be increased1 how is it possible that one person can be happier than another8 ,do you not see how all these things agree together8 ,and1 in truth1 7for ,i must avow what ,i feel17 the mutual dependence of all these things on one another is marvellous3 the last part corresponds to the first1 the middle to each extremity1 and each extremity to the other4 ,they see all that follows from1 or is inconsistent with them4 ,in geometry1 if you grant the premises the conclusion follows4 ,grant that there is nothing good except what is honourable1 and you must grant that happiness is placed in virtue alone4 ,try it the other way4 ,if you grant this conclusion1 you must grant the premises2 but this is not the case with the arguments of your school4 ,there are three kinds of goods4 ,the assertions go trippingly on3 he comes to the conclusion3 he sticks fast3 he is in a difficulty2 for he wishes to say1 that nothing can be wanting to a wise man to complete his happiness--a very honourable sentiment1 one worthy of ,socrates1 or even of ,plato4 ,well1 ,i do venture to assert that1 says he4 ,it is impossible1 unless you remodel your premises3 if poverty is an evil1 no beggar can be happy be he ever so wise4 ,but ,zeno ventured to call such a man not only happy1 but also rich4 ,to be in pain is an evil2 the man who is fastened to a cross cannot be happy4 ,children are a good2 childlessness is an evil4 ,one's country is a good2 exile is an evil4 ,health is a good2 disease is an evil4 ,vigour of body is a good2 feebleness is an evil4 ,clear sight is a good2 blindness is an evil4 ,but1 though a man may be able to alleviate any single one of these evils by consolation1 how will he be able to endure them all8 ,for1 suppose one person were blind1 feeble1 afflicted with grievous sickness1 banished1 childless1 in indigence1 and put to the torture2 what will you call him1 ,zeno8 ,happy1 says he4 ,will you call him most perfectly happy8 ,to be sure ,i will1 says he1 when ,i have taught him that happiness does not admit of degrees any more than virtue1 the mere possession of which makes him happy4 ,this seems to you incredible that he can call him perfectly happy4 ,what is your own doctrine8 is that credible8 ,for if you appeal to the people1 you will never convince them that a man in such a condition is happy4 ,if you appeal to prudent men1 perhaps they will doubt as to one point1 namely1 whether there is so much force in virtue that men endued with that can be happy1 even in ,phalaris's bull2 but they will not doubt at all that the ,stoic language is consistent with itself and that yours is not4 ,do you then1 says he1 approve of the book of ,theophrastus on a happy life8 ,we are wandering from our subject2 and that ,i may not be too tedious--if1 said ,i1 ,piso1 those things are evils1 ,i wholly approve of it4 ,do not they then1 said he1 seem to you to be evils8 ,do you ask that8 said ,i2 whatever answer ,i give you1 you will find yourself in embarrassment4 ,how so8 said he4 ,because1 if they are evils1 a man who is affected with them cannot be happy4 ,if they are not evils1 there is an end to the whole system of the ,peripatetics4 ,and he laughing replied1 ,i see what you are at2 you are afraid ,i shall carry off your pupil4 ,you may carry him off1 said ,i1 if he likes to follow you2 for he will still be with me if he is with you4 ,,xxix4 ,listen then1 said he1 ,o ,lucius2 for1 as ,theophrastus says1 ,i must direct my discourse to you1--the whole authority of philosophy consists in making life happy2 for we are all inflamed with a desire of living happily4 ,this1 both your brother and ,i agree upon4 ,wherefore we must see whether the system of the philosophers can give us this4 ,it promises to do so certainly3 for1 unless it made that promise1 why did ,plato travel over ,egypt1 to learn numbers and knowledge of the heavenly mysteries from barbarian priests8 ,why afterwards did he go to ,tarentum to ,archytas2 and to the other ,pythagoreans of ,locri1 ,echecrates1 ,timus1 and ,acrion2 in order1 after he had drained ,socrates to the dregs1 to add the doctrine of the ,pythagoreans to his1 and to learn in addition those things which ,socrates rejected8 ,why did ,pythagoras himself travel over ,egypt1 and visit the ,persian ,magi2 why did he go on foot over so many countries of the barbarians1 and make so many voyages8 ,why did ,democritus do the same8 who1 7whether it is true or false1 we will not stop to inquire17 is said to have put out his own eyes2 certainly1 in order that his mind might be abstracted from contemplation as little as possible2 he neglected his patrimony1 and left his lands uncultivated1 and what other object could he have had except a happy life8 ,and if he placed that in the knowledge of things1 still from that investigation of natural philosophy he sought to acquire equanimity2 for he called the summum bonum 1 and very often 1 that is to say1 a mind free from alarm4 ,but1 although this was well said1 it was not very elegantly expressed2 for he said very little about virtue1 and even what he did say1 he did not express very clearly4 ,for it was not till after his death that these subjects were discussed in this city1 first by ,socrates1 and from ,socrates they got entrance into the ,academy4 ,nor was there any doubt that all hope of living well and also happily was placed in virtue3 and when ,zeno had learnt this from our school1 he began to express himself on the same subject in another manner1 as lawyers do on trials4 ,and now you approve of this conduct in him4 ,will you then say that he by changing the names of things escaped the charge of inconsistency1 and yet not allow us to do so too8 ,he asserts that the life of ,metellus was not happier than that of ,regulus1 but admits that it was preferable to it2 he says it was not more to be sought after1 but still to be taken in preference2 and that if one had a choice1 one would choose the life of ,metellus1 and reject that of ,regulus4 ,what then he calls preferable1 and worthy to be chosen in preference1 ,i call happier2 and yet ,i do not attribute more importance to that sort of life than the ,stoics do4 ,for what difference is there between us1 except that ,i call well-known things by well-known names1 and that they seek for new terms to express the same ideas8 ,and so1 as there is always some one in the senate who wants an interpreter1 we1 too1 must listen to them with an interpreter4 ,i call that good which is in accordance with nature2 and whatever is contrary to nature ,i call evil4 ,nor do ,i alone use the definition2 you do also1 ,o ,chrysippus1 in the forum and at home2 but in the school you discard it4 ,what then8 ,do you think that men in general ought to speak in one way1 and philosophers in another1 as to the importance of which everything is8 that learned men should hold one language1 and unlearned ones another8 ,but as learned men are agreed of how much importance everything is1 7if they were men1 they would speak in the usual fashion17 why1 as long as they leave the facts alone1 they are welcome to mould the names according to their fancy4 ,,xxx4 ,but ,i come now to the charge of inconsistency1 that you may not repeat that ,i am making digressions2 which you think exist only in language1 but which ,i used to consider depended on the subject of which one was speaking4 ,if it is sufficiently perceived 7and here we have most excellent assistance from the ,stoics71 that the power of virtue is so great1 that if everything else were put on the opposite side1 it would not be even visible1 when all things which they admit at least to be advantages1 and to deserve to be taken1 and chosen1 and preferred1 and which they define as worthy of being highly estimated2 when1 ,i say1 ,i call these things goods which have so many names given them by the ,stoics1 some of which are new1 and invented expressly for them1 such as producta and reducta1 and some of which are merely synonymous2 7for what difference can it make whether you wish for a thing or choose it8 that which is chosen1 and on which deliberate choice is exercised1 appears to me to be the better7 still1 when ,i have called all these things goods1 the question is merely how great goods ,i call them2 when ,i say they deserved to be wished for1 the question is1--how eagerly8 ,but1 if ,i do not attribute more importance to them when ,i say that they deserve to be wished for1 than you do who say they only deserve to be chosen1 and if ,i do not value them more highly when ,i call them bona1 than you1 when you speak of them as producta2 then all these things must inevitably be involved in obscurity1 and put out of sight1 and lost amid the rays of virtue like stars in the sunbeams4 ,but that life in which there is any evil cannot be happy4 ,then a corn-field full of thick and heavy ears of corn is not a corn-field if you see any tares anywhere2 nor is traffic gainful if1 amid the greatest gains1 you incur the most trifling loss4 ,do we ever act on different principles in any circumstances of life2 and will you not judge of the whole from its greatest part8 or is there any doubt that virtue is so much the most important thing in all human affairs1 that it throws all the rest into the shade8 ,i will venture1 then1 to call the rest of the things which are in accordance with nature1 goods1 and not to cheat them of their ancient title1 rather than go and hunt for some new name for them2 and the dignity of virtue ,i will put1 as it were1 in the other scale of the balance4 ,believe me1 that scale will outweigh both earth and sea2 for the whole always has its name from that which embraces its largest part1 and is the most widely diffused4 ,we say that one man lives merrily4 ,is there1 then1 an end of this merry life of his if he is for a moment a little poor8 ,but1 in the case of that ,marcus ,crassus1 who1 ,lucilius says1 laughed once in his life1 the fact of his having done so did not deliver him from being called 4 ,they call ,polycrates of ,samos happy4 ,nothing had ever happened to him which he did not like1 except that he had thrown into the sea a ring which he valued greatly2 therefore he was unhappy as to that one annoyance2 but subsequently he was happy again when that same ring was found in the belly of a fish4 ,but he1 if he was unwise 7which he certainly was1 since he was a tyrant71 was never happy2 if he was wise he was not miserable1 even at the time when he was crucified by ,ortes1 the lieutenant of ,darius4 ,but he had great evils inflicted on him4 ,who denies that8--but those evils were overcome by the greatness of his virtue4 ,,xxxi4 ,do you not grant even this to the ,peripatetics1 that they may say that the life of all good1 that is1 of all wise men1 and of men adorned with every virtue1 has in all its parts more good than evil8 ,who says this8 ,the ,stoics may say so4 ,by no means4 ,but do not those very men who measure everything by pleasure and pain1 say loudly that the wise man has always more things which he likes than dislikes8 ,when1 then1 these men attribute so much to virtue1 who confess that they would not even lift a finger for the sake of virtue1 if it did not bring pleasure with it1 what ought we to do1 who say that ever so inconsiderable an excellence of mind is so superior to all the goods of the body1 that they are put wholly out of sight by it8 ,for who is there who can venture to say1 that it can happen to a wise man 7even if such a thing were possible7 to discard virtue for ever1 with a view of being released from all pain8 ,who of our school1 who are not ashamed to call those things evils which the ,stoics call only bitter1 would say that it was better to do anything dishonourably with pleasure than honourably with pain8 ,to us1 indeed1 ,dionysius of ,heraclea appears to have deserted the ,stoics in a shameful manner1 on account of the pain of his eyes2 as if he had learnt from ,zeno not to be in pain when he was in pain4 ,he had heard1 but he had not learnt1 that it was not an evil1 because it was not dishonourable1 and because it might be borne by a man4 ,if he had been a ,peripatetic he would1 ,i suppose1 have adhered to his opinion1 since they say that pain is an evil4 ,and with respect to bearing its bitterness1 they give the same precepts as the ,stoics2 and1 indeed1 your friend ,arcesilas1 although he was a rather pertinacious arguer1 was still on our side2 for he was a pupil of ,polemo2 and when he was suffering under the pain of the gout1 and ,carneades1 a most intimate friend of ,epicurus1 had come to see him1 and was going away very melancholy1 said1 8,stay awhile1 ,i entreat you1 friend ,carneades2 for the pain does not reach here10 showing his feet and his breast4 ,still he would have preferred being out of pain4 ,,xxxii4 ,this1 then1 is our doctrine1 which appears to you to be inconsistent1 since1 by reason of a certain heavenly1 divine1 and inexpressible excellence of virtue1 so great1 that wherever virtue and great1 desirable1 and praiseworthy exploits done by virtue are1 there misery and grief cannot be1 but nevertheless labour and annoyance can be1 ,i do not hesitate to affirm that all wise men are always happy1 but still1 that it is possible that one man may be more happy than another4 ,but this is exactly the assertion1 ,piso1 said ,i1 which you are bound to prove over and over again2 and if you establish it1 then you may take with you not only my young ,cicero here1 but me too4 ,then1 said ,quintus1 it appears to me that this has been sufficiently proved4 ,i am glad1 indeed1 that philosophy1 the treasures of which ,i have been used to value above the possession of everything else 7so rich did it appear to me1 that ,i could ask of it whatever ,i desired to know in our studies71--,i rejoice1 therefore1 that it has been found more acute than all other arts1 for it was in acuteness that some people asserted that it was deficient4 ,not a mite more so than ours1 surely1 said ,pomponius1 jestingly4 ,but1 seriously1 ,i have been very much pleased with what you have said2 for what ,i did not think could be expressed in ,latin has been expressed by you1 and that no less clearly than by the ,greeks1 and in not less well adapted language4 ,but it is time to depart1 if you please2 and let us go to my house4 ,and when he had said this1 as it appeared that we had discussed the subject sufficiently1 we all went into the town to the house of ,pomponius4 ,,the ,,tusculan ,,disputations4 ,introduction4 ,in the year ,a4,u4,c4 #gjh1 and the #fb;d year of ,cicero's age1 his daughter1 ,tullia1 died in childbed2 and her loss afflicted ,cicero to such a degree that he abandoned all public business1 and1 leaving the city1 retired to ,asterra1 which was a country house that he had near ,antium2 where1 after a while1 he devoted himself to philosophical studies1 and1 besides other works1 he published his ,treatise de ,finibus1 and also this ,treatise called the ,tusculan ,disputations1 of which ,middleton gives this concise description3-- 8,the first book teaches us how to contemn the terrors of death1 and to look upon it as a blessing rather than an evil2 8,the second1 to support pain and affliction with a manly fortitude2 8,the third1 to appease all our complaints and uneasinesses under the accidents of life2 8,the fourth1 to moderate all our other passions2 8,and the fifth explains the sufficiency of virtue to make men happy40 ,it was his custom in the opportunities of his leisure to take some friends with him into the country1 where1 instead of amusing themselves with idle sports or feasts1 their diversions were wholly speculative1 tending to improve the mind and enlarge the understanding4 ,in this manner he now spent five days at his ,tusculan villa in discussing with his friends the several questions just mentioned4 ,for1 after employing the mornings in declaiming and rhetorical exercises1 they used to retire in the afternoon into a gallery1 called the ,academy1 which he had built for the purpose of philosophical conferences1 where1 after the manner of the ,greeks1 he held a school as they called it1 and invited the company to call for any subject that they desired to hear explained1 which being proposed accordingly by some of the audience became immediately the argument of that day's debate4 ,these five conferences or dialogues he collected afterwards into writing in the very words and manner in which they really passed2 and published them under the title of his ,tusculan ,disputations1 from the name of the villa in which they were held4 ,book ,i4 ,on ,the ,contempt ,of ,death4 ,i4 ,at a time when ,i had entirely1 or to a great degree1 released myself from my labours as an advocate1 and from my duties as a senator1 ,i had recourse again1 ,brutus1 principally by your advice1 to those studies which never had been out of my mind1 although neglected at times1 and which after a long interval ,i resumed3 and now since the principles and rules of all arts which relate to living well depend on the study of wisdom1 which is called philosophy1 ,i have thought it an employment worthy of me to illustrate them in the ,latin tongue3 not because philosophy could not be understood in the ,greek language1 or by the teaching of ,greek masters2 but it has always been my opinion1 that our countrymen have1 in some instances1 made wiser discoveries than the ,greeks1 with reference to those subjects which they have considered worthy of devoting their attention to1 and in others have improved upon their discoveries1 so that in one way or other we surpass them on every point3 for1 with regard to the manners and habits of private life1 and family and domestic affairs1 we certainly manage them with more elegance1 and better than they did2 and as to our republic1 that our ancestors have1 beyond all dispute1 formed on better customs and laws4 ,what shall ,i say of our military affairs2 in which our ancestors have been most eminent in valour1 and still more so in discipline8 ,as to those things which are attained not by study1 but nature1 neither ,greece1 nor any nation1 is comparable to us3 for what people has displayed such gravity1 such steadiness1 such greatness of soul1 probity1 faith--such distinguished virtue of every kind1 as to be equal to our ancestors4 ,in learning1 indeed1 and all kinds of literature1 ,greece did excel us1 and it was easy to do so where there was no competition2 for while amongst the ,greeks the poets were the most ancient species of learned men1--since ,homer and ,hesiod lived before the foundation of ,rome1 and ,archilochus7#ej7 was a contemporary of ,romulus1--we received poetry much later4 ,for it was about five hundred and ten years after the building of ,rome before ,livius7#ea7 published a play in the consulship of ,c4 ,claudius1 the son of ,ccus1 and ,m4 ,tuditanus1 a year before the birth of ,ennius1 who was older than ,plautus and ,nvius4 ,,ii4 ,it was1 therefore1 late before poets were either known or received amongst us2 though we find in ,cato de ,originibus that the guests used1 at their entertainments1 to sing the praises of famous men to the sound of the flute2 but a speech of ,cato's shows this kind of poetry to have been in no great esteem1 as he censures ,marcus ,nobilior1 for carrying poets with him into his province3 for that consul1 as we know1 carried ,ennius with him into tolia4 ,therefore the less esteem poets were in1 the less were those studies pursued3 though even then those who did display the greatest abilities that way1 were not very inferior to the ,greeks4 ,do we imagine that if it had been considered commendable in ,fabius17#eb7 a man of the highest rank1 to paint1 we should not have had many ,polycleti and ,parrbasii4 ,honour nourishes art1 and glory is the spur with all to studies2 while those studies are always neglected in every nation1 which are looked upon disparagingly4 ,the ,greeks held skill in vocal and instrumental music as a very important accomplishment1 and therefore it is recorded of ,epaminondas1 who1 in my opinion1 was the greatest man amongst the ,greeks1 that he played excellently on the flute2 and ,themistocles some years before was deemed ignorant because at an entertainment he declined the lyre when it was offered to him4 ,for this reason musicians flourished in ,greece2 music was a general study2 and whoever was unacquainted with it1 was not considered as fully instructed in learning4 ,geometry was in high esteem with them1 therefore none were more honourable than mathematicians2 but we have confined this art to bare measuring and calculating4 ,,iii4 ,but on the contrary1 we early entertained an esteem for the orator2 though he was not at first a man of learning1 but only quick at speaking2 in subsequent times he became learned2 for it is reported that ,galba1 ,africanus1 and ,llius1 were men of learning2 and that even ,cato1 who preceded them in point of time1 was a studious man3 then succeeded the ,lepidi1 ,carbo1 and ,gracchi1 and so many great orators after them1 down to our own times1 that we were very little1 if at all1 inferior to the ,greeks4 ,philosophy has been at a low ebb even to this present time1 and has had no assistance from our own language1 and so now ,i have undertaken to raise and illustrate it1 in order that1 as ,i have been of service to my countrymen1 when employed on public affairs1 ,i may1 if possible1 be so likewise in my retirement2 and in this ,i must take the more pains1 because there are already many books in the ,latin language which are said to be written inaccurately1 having been composed by excellent men1 only not of sufficient learning3 for indeed it is possible that a man may think well1 and yet not be able to express his thoughts elegantly2 but for any one to publish thoughts which he can neither arrange skilfully nor illustrate so as to entertain his reader1 is an unpardonable abuse of letters and retirement3 they1 therefore1 read their books to one another1 and no one ever takes them up but those who wish to have the same licence for careless writing allowed to themselves4 ,wherefore1 if oratory has acquired any reputation from my industry1 ,i shall take the more pains to open the fountains of philosophy1 from which all my eloquence has taken its rise4 ,,iv4 ,but1 as ,aristotle17#ec7 a man of the greatest genius1 and of the most various knowledge1 being excited by the glory of the rhetorician ,isocrates17#ed7 commenced teaching young men to speak1 and joined philosophy with eloquence3 so it is my design not to lay aside my former study of oratory1 and yet to employ myself at the same time in this greater and more fruitful art2 for ,i have always thought1 that to be able to speak copiously and elegantly on the most important questions1 was the most perfect philosophy4 ,and ,i have so diligently applied myself to this pursuit that ,i have already ventured to have a school like the ,greeks4 ,and lately when you left us1 having many of my friends about me1 ,i attempted at my ,tusculan villa what ,i could do in that way2 for as ,i formerly used to practise declaiming1 which nobody continued longer than myself1 so this is now to be the declamation of my old age4 ,i desired any one to propose a question which he wished to have discussed3 and then ,i argued that point either sitting or walking1 and so ,i have compiled the schol1 as the ,greeks call them1 of five days1 in as many books4 ,we proceeded in this manner3 when he who had proposed the subject for discussion had said what he thought proper1 ,i spoke against him2 for this is1 you know1 the old and ,socratic method of arguing against another's opinion2 for ,socrates thought that thus the truth would more easily be arrived at4 ,but to give you a better notion of our disputations1 ,i will not barely send you an account of them1 but represent them to you as they were carried on2 therefore let the introduction be thus3-- ,v4 ,a4 ,to me death seems to be an evil4 ,m4 ,what to those who are already dead8 or to those who must die8 ,a4 ,to both4 ,m4 ,it is a misery then1 because an evil8 ,a4 ,certainly4 ,m4 ,then those who have already died1 and those who have still got to die1 are both miserable8 ,a4 ,so it appears to me4 ,m4 ,then all are miserable8 ,a4 ,every one4 ,m4 ,and1 indeed1 if you wish to be consistent1 all that are already born1 or ever shall be1 are not only miserable1 but always will be so2 for should you maintain those only to be miserable1 you would not except any one living1 for all must die2 but there should be an end of misery in death4 ,but seeing that the dead are miserable1 we are born to eternal misery1 for they must of consequence be miserable who died a hundred thousand years ago2 or rather1 all that have ever been born4 ,a4 ,so1 indeed1 ,i think4 ,m4 ,tell me1 ,i beseech you1 are you afraid of the three-headed ,cerberus in the shades below1 and the roaring waves of ,cocytus1 and the passage over ,acheron1 and ,tantalus expiring with thirst1 while the water touches his chin2 and ,sisyphus1 ,who sweats with arduous toil in vain ,the steepy summit of the mount to gain8 ,perhaps1 too1 you dread the inexorable judges1 ,minos and ,rhadamanthus2 before whom neither ,l4 ,crassus1 nor ,m4 ,antonius can defend you2 and where1 since the cause lies before ,grecian judges1 you will not even be able to employ ,demosthenes3 but you must plead for yourself before a very great assembly4 ,these things perhaps you dread1 and therefore look on death as an eternal evil4 ,,vi4 ,a4 ,do you take me to be so imbecile as to give credit to such things8 ,m4 ,what8 do you not believe them8 ,a4 ,not in the least4 ,m4 ,i am sorry to hear that4 ,a4 ,why1 ,i beg8 ,m4 ,because ,i could have been very eloquent in speaking against them4 ,a4 ,and who could not on such a subject8 or1 what trouble is it to refute these monstrous inventions of the poets and painters87#ee7 ,m4 ,and yet you have books of philosophers full of arguments against these4 ,a4 ,a great waste of time1 truly6 for1 who is so weak as to be concerned about them8 ,m4 ,if1 then1 there is no one miserable in the infernal regions1 there can be no one there at all4 ,a4 ,i am altogether of that opinion4 ,m4 ,where1 then1 are those you call miserable8 or what place do they inhabit8 for1 if they exist at all1 they must be somewhere8 ,a4 ,i1 indeed1 am of opinion that they are nowhere4 ,m4 ,then they have no existence at all4 ,a4 ,even so1 and yet they are miserable for this very reason1 that they have no existence4 ,m4 ,i had rather now have you afraid of ,cerberus1 than speak thus inaccurately4 ,a4 ,in what respect8 ,m4 ,because you admit him to exist whose existence you deny with the same breath4 ,where now is your sagacity8 when you say any one is miserable1 you say that he who does not exist1 does exist4 ,a4 ,i am not so absurd as to say that4 ,m4 ,what is it that you do say1 then8 ,a4 ,i say1 for instance1 that ,marcus ,crassus is miserable in being deprived of such great riches as his by death2 that ,cn4 ,pompey is miserable1 in being taken from such glory and honour2 and in short1 that all are miserable who are deprived of this light of life4 ,m4 ,you have returned to the same point1 for to be miserable implies an existence2 but you just now denied that the dead had any existence2 if1 then1 they have not1 they can be nothing2 and if so1 they are not even miserable4 ,a4 ,perhaps ,i do not express what ,i mean1 for ,i look upon this very circumstance1 not to exist after having existed1 to be very miserable4 ,m4 ,what1 more so than not to have existed at all8 therefore1 those who are not yet born1 are miserable because they are not2 and we ourselves1 if we are to be miserable after death1 were miserable before we were born3 but ,i do not remember that ,i was miserable before ,i was born2 and ,i should be glad to know1 if your memory is better1 what you recollect of yourself before you were born4 ,,vii4 ,a4 ,you are pleasant2 as if ,i had said that those men are miserable who are not born1 and not that they are so who are dead4 ,m4 ,you say1 then1 that they are so8 ,a4 ,yes1 ,i say that because they no longer exist after having existed1 they are miserable4 ,m4 ,you do not perceive1 that you are asserting contradictions2 for what is a greater contradiction1 than that they should be not only miserable1 but should have any existence at all1 which does not exist8 ,when you go out at the ,capene gate and see the tombs of the ,calatini1 the ,scipios1 ,servilii1 and ,metelli1 do you look on them as miserable8 ,a4 ,because you press me with a word1 henceforward ,i will not say they are miserable absolutely1 but miserable on this account1 because they have no existence4 ,m4 ,you do not say1 then1 8,m4 ,crassus is miserable10 but only 8,miserable ,m4 ,crassus40 ,a4 ,exactly so4 ,m4 ,as if it did not follow1 that whatever you speak of in that manner1 either is or is not4 ,are you not acquainted with the first principles of logic8 for this is the first thing they lay down1 ,whatever is asserted1 7for that is the best way that occurs to me1 at the moment1 of rendering the ,greek term1 1 if ,i can think of a more accurate expression hereafter ,i will use it17 is asserted as being either true or false4 ,when1 therefore1 you say1 8,miserable ,m4 ,crassus10 you either say this1 8,m4 ,crassus is miserable10 so that some judgment may be made whether it is true or false1 or you say nothing at all4 ,a4 ,well1 then1 ,i now own that the dead are not miserable1 since you have drawn from me a concession1 that they who do not exist at all1 cannot be miserable4 ,what then8 we that are alive1 are we not wretched1 seeing we must die8 for what is there agreeable in life1 when we must night and day reflect that1 at some time or other1 we must die8 ,,viii4 ,m4 ,do you not1 then1 perceive how great is the evil from which you have delivered human nature8 ,a4 ,by what means8 ,m4 ,because1 if to die were miserable to the dead1 to live would be a kind of infinite and eternal misery3 now1 however1 ,i see a goal1 and when ,i have reached it1 there is nothing more to be feared2 but you seem to me to follow the opinion of ,epicharmus17#ef7 a man of some discernment1 and sharp enough for a ,sicilian4 ,a4 ,what opinion8 for ,i do not recollect it4 ,m4 ,i will tell you if ,i can in ,latin1 for you know ,i am no more used to bring in ,latin sentences in a ,greek discourse1 than ,greek in a ,latin one4 ,a4 ,and that is right enough3 but what is that opinion of ,epicharmus8 ,m4 ,i would not die1 but yet ,am not concerned that ,i shall be dead4 ,a4 ,i now recollect the ,greek1 but since you have obliged me to grant that the dead are not miserable1 proceed to convince me that it is not miserable to be under a necessity of dying4 ,m4 ,that is easy enough1 but ,i have greater things in hand4 ,a4 ,how comes that to be so easy8 and what are those things of more consequence8 ,m4 ,thus3 because1 if there is no evil after death1 then even death itself can be none2 for that which immediately succeeds that is a state where you grant that there is no evil2 so that even to be obliged to die can be no evil2 for that is only the being obliged to arrive at a place where we allow that no evil is4 ,a4 ,i beg you will be more explicit on this point1 for these subtle arguments force me sooner to admissions than to conviction4 ,but what are those more important things about which you say that you are occupied8 ,m4 ,to teach you1 if ,i can1 that death is not only no evil1 but a good4 ,a4 ,i do not insist on that1 but should be glad to hear you argue it1 for even though you should not prove your point1 yet you will prove that death is no evil3 but ,i will not interrupt you1 ,i would rather hear a continued discourse4 ,m4 ,what1 if ,i should ask you a question1 would you not answer8 ,a4 ,that would look like pride2 but ,i would rather you should not ask but where necessity requires4 ,,ix4 ,m4 ,i will comply with your wishes1 and explain as well as ,i can1 what you require2 but not with any idea that1 like the ,pythian ,apollo1 what ,i say must needs be certain and indisputable2 but as a mere man1 endeavouring to arrive at probabilities by conjecture1 for ,i have no ground to proceed further on than probability4 ,those men may call their statements indisputable who assert that what they say can be perceived by the senses1 and who proclaim themselves philosophers by profession4 ,a4 ,do as you please1 we are ready to hear you4 ,m4 ,the first thing1 then1 is to inquire what death1 which seems to be so well understood1 really is2 for some imagine death to be the departure of the soul from the body2 others think that there is no such departure1 but that soul and body perish together1 and that1 the soul is extinguished with the body4 ,of those who think that the soul does depart from the body1 some believe in its immediate dissolution2 others fancy that it continues to exist for a time2 and others believe that it lasts for ever4 ,there is great dispute even what the soul is1 where it is1 and whence it is derived3 with some1 the heart itself 7cor7 seems to be the soul1 hence the expressions1 excordes1 vecordes1 concordes2 and that prudent ,nasica1 who was twice consul1 was called ,corculus1 i4e4 wise-heart2 and lius ,sextus is described as ,egregie cordatus homo1 catus liu' ,sextus--that great wise-hearted man1 sage lius4 ,empedocles imagines the blood1 which is suffused over the heart1 to be the soul2 to others1 a certain part of the brain seems to be the throne of the soul2 others neither allow the heart itself1 nor any portion of the brain1 to be the soul2 but think either that the heart is the seat and abode of the soul2 or else that the brain is so4 ,some would have the soul1 or spirit1 to be the anima1 as our schools generally agree2 and indeed the name signifies as much1 for we use the expressions animam agere1 to live2 animam efflare1 to expire2 animosi1 men of spirit2 bene animati1 men of right feeling2 exanimi sententia1 according to our real opinion--and the very word animus is derived from anima4 ,again1 the soul seems to ,zeno the ,stoic to be fire4 ,x4 ,but what ,i have said as to the heart1 the blood1 the brain1 air1 or fire being the soul1 are common opinions3 the others are only entertained by individuals2 and indeed there were many amongst the ancients who held singular opinions on this subject1 of whom the latest was ,aristoxenus1 a man who was both a musician and a philosopher2 he maintained a certain straining of the body1 like what is called harmony in music1 to be the soul2 and believed that1 from the figure and nature of the whole body1 various motions are excited1 as sounds are from an instrument4 ,he adhered steadily to his system1 and yet he said something1 the nature of which1 whatever it was1 had been detailed and explained a great while before by ,plato4 ,xenocrates denied that the soul had any figure1 or anything like a body2 but said it was a number1 the power of which1 as ,pythagoras had fancied1 some ages before1 was the greatest in nature3 his master1 ,plato1 imagined a three-fold soul2 a dominant portion of which1 that is to say1 reason1 he had lodged in the head1 as in a tower2 and the other two parts1 namely1 anger and desire1 he made subservient to this one1 and allotted them distinct abodes1 placing anger in the breast1 and desire under the prcordia4 ,but ,dicarchus1 in that discourse of some learned disputants1 held at ,corinth1 which he details to us in three books2 in the first book introduces many speakers2 and in the other two he introduces a certain ,pherecrates1 an old man of ,phthia1 who1 as he said1 was descended from ,deucalion2 asserting1 that there is in fact no such thing at all as a soul2 but that it is a name1 without a meaning2 and that it is idle to use the expression1 8animals10 or 8animated beings20 that neither men nor beasts have minds or souls2 but that all that power1 by which we act or perceive1 is equally infused into every living creature1 and is inseparable from the body1 for if it were not1 it would be nothing2 nor is there anything whatever really existing except body1 which is a single and simple thing1 so fashioned1 as to live and have its sensations in consequence of the regulations of nature4 ,aristotle1 a man superior to all others1 both in genius and industry 7,i always except ,plato71 after having embraced these four known sorts of principles1 from which all things deduce their origin1 imagines that there is a certain fifth nature1 from whence comes the soul2 for to think1 to foresee1 to learn1 to teach1 to invent anything1 and many other attributes of the same kind1 such as1 to remember1 to love1 to hate1 to desire1 to fear1 to be pleased or displeased2 these1 and others like them1 exist1 he thinks1 in none of those first four kinds3 on such account he adds a fifth kind1 which has no name1 and so by a new name he calls the soul 1 as if it were a certain continued and perpetual motion4 ,,xi4 ,if ,i have not forgotten anything unintentionally1 these are the principal opinions concerning the soul4 ,i have omitted ,democritus1 a very great man indeed1 but one who deduces the soul from the fortuitous concourse of small1 light1 and round substances2 for1 if you believe men of his school1 there is nothing which a crowd of atoms cannot effect4 ,which of these opinions is true1 some god must determine4 ,it is an important question for us1 which has the most appearance of truth4 ,shall we1 then1 prefer determining between them1 or shall we return to our subject8 ,a4 ,i could wish both1 if possible2 but it is difficult to mix them2 therefore1 if without a discussion of them we can get rid of the fears of death1 let us proceed to do so2 but if this is not to be done without explaining the question about souls1 let us have that now1 and the other at another time4 ,m4 ,i take that plan to be the best1 which ,i perceive you are inclined to2 for reason will demonstrate that1 whichever of the opinions which ,i have stated is true1 it must follow1 then1 that death cannot be an evil2 or that it must rather be something desirable1 for if either the heart1 or the blood1 or the brain1 is the soul1 then certainly the soul1 being corporeal1 must perish with the rest of the body2 if it is air1 it will perhaps be dissolved2 if it is fire1 it will be extinguished2 if it is ,aristoxenus's harmony1 it will be put out of tune4 ,what shall ,i say of ,dicarchus1 who denies that there is any soul8 ,in all these opinions1 there is nothing to affect any one after death2 for all feeling is lost with life1 and where there is no sensation1 nothing can interfere to affect us4 ,the opinions of others do indeed bring us hope2 if it is any pleasure to you to think that souls1 after they leave the body1 may go to heaven as to a permanent home4 ,a4 ,i have great pleasure in that thought1 and it is what ,i most desire2 and even if it should not be so1 ,i should still be very willing to believe it4 ,m4 ,what occasion have you1 then1 for my assistance8 am ,i superior to ,plato in eloquence8 ,turn over carefully his book that treats of the soul1 you will have there all that you can want4 ,a4 ,i have1 indeed1 done that1 and often2 but1 ,i know not how it comes to pass1 ,i agree with it whilst ,i am reading it1 but when ,i have laid down the book1 and begin to reflect with myself on the immortality of the soul1 all that agreement vanishes4 ,m4 ,how comes that8 do you admit this1 that souls either exist after death1 or else that they also perish at the moment of death8 ,a4 ,i agree to that4 ,and if they do exist1 ,i admit that they are happy2 but if they perish1 ,i cannot suppose them to be unhappy1 because1 in fact1 they have no existence at all4 ,you drove me to that concession but just now4 ,m4 ,how1 then1 can you1 or why do you1 assert that you think that death is an evil1 when it either makes us happy1 in the case of the soul continuing to exist1 or1 at all events1 not unhappy1 in the case of our becoming destitute of all sensation4 ,,xii4 ,a4 ,explain1 therefore1 if it is not troublesome to you1 first1 if you can1 that souls do exist after death2 secondly1 should you fail in that1 7and it is a very difficult thing to establish17 that death is free from all evil2 for ,i am not without my fears that this itself is an evil2 ,i do not mean the immediate deprivation of sense1 but the fact that we shall hereafter suffer deprivation4 ,m4 ,i have the best authority in support of the opinion you desire to have established1 which ought1 and generally has1 great weight in all cases4 ,and first1 ,i have all antiquity on that side1 which the more near it is to its origin and divine descent1 the more clearly1 perhaps1 on that account did it discern the truth in these matters4 ,this very doctrine1 then1 was adopted by all those ancients1 whom ,ennius calls in the ,sabine tongue1 ,casci1 namely1 that in death there was a sensation1 and that1 when men departed this life1 they were not so entirely destroyed as to perish absolutely4 ,and this may appear from many other circumstances1 and especially from the pontifical rites and funeral obsequies1 which men of the greatest genius would not have been so solicitous about1 and would not have guarded from any injury by such severe laws1 but from a firm persuasion that death was not so entire a destruction as wholly to abolish and destroy everything1 but rather a kind of transmigration1 as it were1 and change of life1 which was1 in the case of illustrious men and women1 usually a guide to heaven1 while in that of others1 it was still confined to the earth1 but in such a manner as still to exist4 ,from this1 and the sentiments of the ,romans1 ,in heaven ,romulus with ,gods now lives2 as ,ennius saith1 agreeing with the common belief2 hence1 too ,hercules is considered so great and propitious a god amongst the ,greeks1 and from them he was introduced among us1 and his worship has extended even to the very ocean itself4 ,this is how it was that ,bacchus was deified1 the offspring of ,semele2 and from the same illustrious fame we receive ,castor and ,pollux as gods1 who are reported not only to have helped the ,romans to victory in their battles1 but to have been the messengers of their success4 ,what shall we say of ,ino1 the daughter of ,cadmus8 is she not called ,leucothea by the ,greeks1 and ,matuta by us8 ,nay more2 is not the whole of heaven 7not to dwell on particulars7 almost filled with the offspring of men8 ,should ,i attempt to search into antiquity1 and produce from thence what the ,greek writers have asserted1 it would appear that even those who are called their principal gods1 were taken from among men up into heaven4 ,,xiii4 ,examine the sepulchres of those which are shown in ,greece2 recollect1 for you have been initiated1 what lessons are taught in the mysteries2 then will you perceive how extensive this doctrine is4 ,but they who were not acquainted with natural philosophy1 7for it did not begin to be in vogue till many years later17 had no higher belief than what natural reason could give them2 they were not acquainted with the principles and causes of things2 they were often induced by certain visions1 and those generally in the night1 to think that those men1 who had departed from this life1 were still alive4 ,and this may further be brought as an irrefragable argument for us to believe that there are gods1--that there never was any nation so barbarous1 nor any people in the world so savage1 as to be without some notion of gods3 many have wrong notions of the gods1 for that is the nature and ordinary consequence of bad customs1 yet all allow that there is a certain divine nature and energy4 ,nor does this proceed from the conversation of men1 or the agreement of philosophers2 it is not an opinion established by institutions or by laws2 but1 no doubt1 in every case the consent of all nations is to be looked on as a law of nature4 ,who is there1 then1 that does not lament the loss of his friends1 principally from imagining them deprived of the conveniences of life8 ,take away this opinion1 and you remove with it all grief2 for no one is afflicted merely on account of a loss sustained by himself4 ,perhaps we may be sorry1 and grieve a little2 but that bitter lamentation1 and those mournful tears1 have their origin in our apprehensions that he whom we loved is deprived of all the advantages of life1 and is sensible of his loss4 ,and we are led to this opinion by nature1 without any arguments or any instruction4 ,,xiv4 ,but the greatest proof of all is1 that nature herself gives a silent judgment in favour of the immortality of the soul1 inasmuch as all are anxious1 and that to a great degree1 about the things which concern futurity2-- ,one plants what future ages shall enjoy1 as ,statius saith in his ,synephebi4 ,what is his object in doing so1 except that he is interested in posterity8 ,shall the industrious husbandman1 then1 plant trees the fruit of which he shall never see8 and shall not the great man found laws1 institutions1 and a republic8 ,what does the procreation of children imply--and our care to continue our names--and our adoptions--and our scrupulous exactness in drawing up wills--and the inscriptions on monuments1 and panegyrics1 but that our thoughts run on futurity8 ,there is no doubt but a judgment may be formed of nature in general1 from looking at each nature in its most perfect specimens2 and what is a more perfect specimen of a man1 than those are who look on themselves as born for the assistance1 the protection1 and the preservation of others8 ,hercules has gone to heaven2 he never would have gone thither1 had he not1 whilst amongst men1 made that road for himself4 ,these things are of old date1 and have1 besides1 the sanction of universal religion4 ,,xv4 ,what will you say8 what do you imagine that so many and such great men of our republic1 who have sacrificed their lives for its good1 expected8 ,do you believe that they thought that their names should not continue beyond their lives8 ,none ever encountered death for their country1 but under a firm persuasion of immortality6 ,themistocles might have lived at his ease2 so might ,epaminondas2 and1 not to look abroad and amongst the ancients for instances1 so might ,i myself4 ,but1 somehow or other1 there clings to our minds a certain presage of future ages2 and this both exists most firmly and appears most clearly1 in men of the loftiest genius and greatest souls4 ,take away this1 and who would be so mad as to spend his life amidst toils and dangers8 ,i speak of those in power4 ,what are the poet's views but to be ennobled after death8 ,what else is the object of these lines-- ,behold old ,ennius here1 who erst ,thy fathers' great exploits rehearsed8 ,he is challenging the reward of glory from those men whose ancestors he himself had ennobled by his poetry4 ,and in the same spirit he says in another passage-- ,let none with tears my funeral grace1 for ,i ,claim from my works an immortality4 ,why do ,i mention poets8 the very mechanics are desirous of fame after death4 ,why did ,phidias include a likeness of himself in the shield of ,minerva1 when he was not allowed to inscribe his name on it8 ,what do our philosophers think on the subject8 do not they put their names to those very books which they write on the contempt of glory8 ,if1 then1 universal consent is the voice of nature1 and if it is the general opinion everywhere1 that those who have quitted this life are still interested in something2 we also must subscribe to that opinion4 ,and if we think that men of the greatest abilities and virtue see most clearly into the power of nature1 because they themselves are her most perfect work2 it is very probable that1 as every great man is especially anxious to benefit posterity1 there is something of which he himself will be sensible after death4 ,,xvi4 ,but as we are led by nature to think there are gods1 and as we discover1 by reason1 of what description they are1 so1 by the consent of all nations1 we are induced to believe that our souls survive2 but where their habitation is1 and of what character they eventually are1 must be learned from reason4 ,the want of any certain reason on which to argue has given rise to the idea of the shades below1 and to those fears1 which you seem1 not without reason1 to despise3 for as our bodies fall to the ground1 and are covered with earth 7humus71 from whence we derive the expression to be interred 7humari71 that has occasioned men to imagine that the dead continue1 during the remainder of their existence1 under ground2 which opinion has drawn after it many errors1 which the poets have increased2 for the theatre1 being frequented by a large crowd1 among which are women and children1 is wont to be greatly affected on hearing such pompous verses as these-- ,lo6 here ,i am1 who scarce could gain this place1 ,through stony mountains and a dreary waste2 ,through cliffs1 whose sharpen'd stones tremendous hung1 ,where dreadful darkness spread itself around3 and the error prevailed so much1 though indeed at present it seems to me to be removed1 that although men knew that the bodies of the dead had been burned1 yet they conceived such things to be done in the infernal regions as could not be executed or imagined without a body2 for they could not conceive how disembodied souls could exist2 and1 therefore1 they looked out for some shape or figure4 ,this was the origin of all that account of the dead in ,homer4 ,this was the idea that caused my friend ,appius to frame his ,necromancy2 and this is how there got about that idea of the lake of ,avernus1 in my neighbourhood1-- ,from whence the souls of undistinguish'd shape1 ,clad in thick shade1 rush from the open gate ,of ,acheron1 vain phantoms of the dead4 ,and they must needs have these appearances speak1 which is not possible without a tongue1 and a palate1 and jaws1 and without the help of lungs and sides1 and without some shape or figure2 for they could see nothing by their mind alone1 they referred all to their eyes4 ,to withdraw the mind from sensual objects1 and abstract our thoughts from what we are accustomed to1 is an attribute of great genius3 ,i am persuaded1 indeed1 that there were many such men in former ages3 but ,pherecydes7#eg7 the ,syrian is the first on record who said that the souls of men were immortal2 and he was a philosopher of great antiquity in the reign of my namesake ,tullus4 ,his disciple ,pythagoras greatly confirmed this opinion1 who came into ,italy in the reign of ,tarquin the ,proud3 and all that country which is called ,great ,greece was occupied by his school1 and he himself was held in high honour1 and had the greatest authority3 and the ,pythagorean sect was for many ages after in such great credit1 that all learning was believed to be confined to that name4 ,,xvii4 ,but ,i return to the ancients4 ,they scarcely ever gave any reason for their opinion but what could be explained by numbers or definitions4 ,it is reported of ,plato1 that he came into ,italy to make himself acquainted with the ,pythagoreans2 and that when there1 amongst others1 he made an acquaintance with ,archytas7#eh7 and ,timus17#ei7 and learned from them all the tenets of the ,pythagoreans2 and that he not only was of the same opinion with ,pythagoras concerning the immortality of the soul1 but that he also brought reasons in support of it2 which1 if you have nothing to say against it1 ,i will pass over1 and say no more at present about all this hope of immortality4 ,a4 ,what1 will you leave me when you have raised my expectations so high8 ,i had rather1 so help me ,hercules6 be mistaken with ,plato1 whom ,i know how much you esteem1 and whom ,i admire myself from what you say of him1 than be in the right with those others4 ,m4 ,i commend you2 for1 indeed1 ,i could myself willingly be mistaken in his company4 ,do we1 then1 doubt1 as we do in other cases1 7though ,i think here is very little room for doubt in this case1 for the mathematicians prove the facts to us17 that the earth is placed in the midst of the world1 being as it were a sort of point1 which they call a 1 surrounded by the whole heavens2 and that such is the nature of the four principles1 which are the generating causes of all things1 that they have equally divided amongst them the constituents of all bodies2 moreover that earthy and humid bodies are carried at equal angles1 by their own weight and ponderosity1 into the earth and sea2 that the other two parts consist one of fire and the other of air8 ,as the two former are carried by their gravity and weight into the middle region of the world2 so these1 on the other hand1 ascend by right lines into the celestial regions2 either because1 owing to their intrinsic nature1 they are always endeavouring to reach the highest place1 or else because lighter bodies are naturally repelled by heavier2 and as this is notoriously the case1 it must evidently follow1 that souls1 when once they have departed from the body1 whether they are animal1 7by which term ,i mean capable of breathing17 or of the nature of fire1 must mount upwards3 but if the soul is some number1 as some people assert1 speaking with more subtlety than clearness1 or if it is that fifth nature1 for which it would be more correct to say that we have not given a name to1 than that we do not correctly understand it--still it is too pure and perfect1 not to go to a great distance from the earth4 ,something of this sort1 then1 we must believe the soul to be1 that we may not commit the folly of thinking that so active a principle lies immerged in the heart or brain2 or1 as ,empedocles would have it1 in the blood4 ,,xviii4 ,we will pass over ,dicarchus17#fj7 with his contemporary and fellow-disciple ,aristoxenus17#fa7 both indeed men of learning4 ,one of them seems never even to have been affected with grief1 as he could not perceive that he had a soul2 while the other is so pleased with his musical compositions1 that he endeavours to show an analogy betwixt them and souls4 ,now1 we may understand harmony to arise from the intervals of sounds1 whose various compositions occasion many harmonies2 but ,i do not see how a disposition of members1 and the figure of a body without a soul1 can occasion harmony2 he had better1 learned as he is1 leave these speculations to his master ,aristotle1 and follow his own trade1 as a musician2 good advice is given him in that ,greek proverb1-- ,apply your talents where you best are skill'd4 ,i will have nothing at all to do with that fortuitous concourse of individual light and round bodies1 notwithstanding ,democritus insists on their being warm1 and having breath1 that is to say1 life4 ,but this soul1 which is compounded of either of the four principles from which we assert that all things are derived1 is of inflamed air1 as seems particularly to have been the opinion of ,pantius1 and must necessarily mount upwards2 for air and fire have no tendency downwards1 but always ascend2 so should they be dissipated1 that must be at some distance from the earth2 but should they remain1 and preserve their original state1 it is clearer still that they must be carried heavenward2 and this gross and concrete air1 which is nearest the earth1 must be divided and broken by them2 for the soul is warmer1 or rather hotter than that air1 which ,i just now called gross and concrete2 and this may be made evident from this consideration1--that our bodies1 being compounded of the earthy class of principles1 grow warm by the heat of the soul4 ,,xix4 ,we may add1 that the soul can the more easily escape from this air1 which ,i have often named1 and break through it2 because nothing is swifter than the soul2 no swiftness is comparable to the swiftness of the soul2 which1 should it remain uncorrupt and without alteration1 must necessarily be carried on with such velocity as to penetrate and divide all this atmosphere1 where clouds1 and rain1 and winds are formed2 which1 in consequence of the exhalations from the earth1 is moist and dark2 but1 when the soul has once got above this region1 and falls in with1 and recognises a nature like its own1 it then rests upon fires composed of a combination of thin air and a moderate solar heat1 and does not aim at any higher flight4 ,for then1 after it has attained a lightness and heat resembling its own1 it moves no more1 but remains steady1 being balanced1 as it were1 between two equal weights4 ,that1 then1 is its natural seat where it has penetrated to something like itself2 and where1 wanting nothing further1 it may be supported and maintained by the same aliment which nourishes and maintains the stars4 ,now1 as we are usually incited to all sorts of desires by the stimulus of the body1 and the more so1 as we endeavour to rival those who are in possession of what we long for1 we shall certainly be happy when1 being emancipated from that body1 we at the same time get rid of these desires and this rivalry3 and1 that which we do at present1 when1 dismissing all other cares1 we curiously examine and look into anything1 we shall then do with greater freedom2 and we shall employ ourselves entirely in the contemplation and examination of things2 because there is naturally in our minds a certain insatiable desire to know the truth2 and the very region itself where we shall arrive1 as it gives us a more intuitive and easy knowledge of celestial things1 will raise our desires after knowledge4 ,for it was this beauty of the heavens1 as seen even here upon earth1 which gave birth to that national and hereditary philosophy1 7as ,theophrastus calls it17 which was thus excited to a desire of knowledge4 ,but those persons will in a most especial degree enjoy this philosophy1 who1 while they were only inhabitants of this world and enveloped in darkness1 were still desirous of looking into these things with the eye of their mind4 ,,xx4 ,for1 if those men now think that they have attained something who have seen the mouth of the ,pontus1 and those straits which were passed by the ship called ,argo1 because1 ,from ,argos she did chosen men convey1 ,bound to fetch back the golden fleece1 their prey2 or those who have seen the straits of the ocean1 ,where the swift waves divide the neighbouring shores ,of ,europe1 and of ,afric4 ,what kind of sight do you imagine that will be1 when the whole earth is laid open to our view8 and that1 too1 not only in its position1 form1 and boundaries1 nor those parts of it only which are habitable1 but those also that lie uncultivated1 through the extremities of heat and cold to which they are exposed2 for not even now is it with our eyes that we view what we see1 for the body itself has no senses2 but 7as the naturalists1 aye1 and even the physicians assure us1 who have opened our bodies1 and examined them71 there are certain perforated channels from the seat of the soul to the eyes1 ears1 and nose2 so that frequently1 when either prevented by meditation1 or the force of some bodily disorder1 we neither hear nor see1 though our eyes and ears are open1 and in good condition2 so that we may easily apprehend that it is the soul itself which sees and hears1 and not those parts which are1 as it were1 but windows to the soul2 by means of which1 however1 she can perceive nothing1 unless she is on the spot1 and exerts herself4 ,how shall we account for the fact1 that by the same power of thinking we comprehend the most different things2 as colour1 taste1 heat1 smell1 and sound8 which the soul could never know by her five messengers1 unless everything was referred to her1 and she were the sole judge of all4 ,and we shall certainly discover these things in a more clear and perfect degree when the soul is disengaged from the body1 and has arrived at that goal to which nature leads her2 for at present1 notwithstanding nature has contrived1 with the greatest skill1 those channels which lead from the body to the soul1 yet are they1 in some way or other1 stopped up with earthy and concrete bodies2 but when we shall be nothing but soul1 then nothing will interfere to prevent our seeing everything in its real substance1 and in its true character4 ,,xxi4 ,it is true1 ,i might expatiate1 did the subject require it1 on the many and various objects with which the soul will be entertained in those heavenly regions2 when ,i reflect on which1 ,i am apt to wonder at the boldness of some philosophers1 who are so struck with admiration at the knowledge of nature1 as to thank1 in an exulting manner1 the first inventor and teacher of natural philosophy1 and to reverence him as a ,god3 for they declare that they have been delivered by his means from the greatest tyrants1 a perpetual terror1 and a fear that molested them by night and day4 ,what is this dread--this fear8 what old woman is there so weak as to fear these things1 which you1 forsooth1 had you not been acquainted with natural philosophy1 would stand in awe of8 ,the hallow'd roofs of ,acheron1 the dread ,of ,orcus1 the pale regions of the dead4 ,and does it become a philosopher to boast that he is not afraid of these things1 and that he has discovered them to be false8 ,and from this we may perceive how acute these men were by nature1 who1 if they had been left without any instruction would have believed in these things4 ,but now they have certainly made a very fine acquisition in learning that when the day of their death arrives they will perish entirely2 and1 if that really is the case1 for ,i say nothing either way1 what is there agreeable or glorious in it8 ,not that ,i see any reason why the opinion of ,pythagoras and ,plato may not be true3 but even although ,plato were to have assigned no reason for his opinion 7observe how much ,i esteem the man71 the weight of his authority would have borne me down2 but he has brought so many reasons1 that he appears to me to have endeavoured to convince others1 and certainly to have convinced himself4 ,,xxii4 ,but there are many who labour on the other side of the question1 and condemn souls to death1 as if they were criminals capitally convicted2 nor have they any other reason to allege why the immortality of the soul appears to them to be incredible1 except that they are not able to conceive what sort of thing the soul can be when disentangled from the body2 just as if they could really form a correct idea as to what sort of thing it is1 even when it is in the body2 what its form1 and size1 and abode are2 so that were they able to have a full view of all that is now hidden from them in a living body1 they have no idea whether the soul would be discernible by them1 or whether it is of so fine a texture that it would escape their sight4 ,let those consider this1 who say that they are unable to form any idea of the soul without the body1 and then they will see whether they can form any adequate idea of what it is when it is in the body4 ,for my own part1 when ,i reflect on the nature of the soul1 it appears to me a far more perplexing and obscure question to determine what is its character while it is in the body1 a place which1 as it were1 does not belong to it1 than to imagine what it is when it leaves it1 and has arrived at the free ther1 which is1 if ,i may so say1 its proper1 its own habitation4 ,for unless we are to say that we cannot apprehend the character or nature of anything which we have never seen1 we certainly may be able to form some notion of ,god1 and of the divine soul when released from the body4 ,dicarchus1 indeed1 and ,aristoxenus1 because it was hard to understand the existence1 and substance1 and nature of the soul1 asserted that there was no such thing as a soul at all4 ,it is1 indeed1 the most difficult thing imaginable1 to discern the soul by the soul4 ,and this1 doubtless1 is the meaning of the precept of ,apollo1 which advises every one to know himself4 ,for ,i do not apprehend the meaning of the god to have been1 that we should understand our members1 our stature1 and form2 for we are not merely bodies2 nor1 when ,i say these things to you1 am ,i addressing myself to your body3 when1 therefore1 he says1 8,know yourself10 he says this1 8,inform yourself of the nature of your soul20 for the body is but a kind of vessel1 or receptacle of the soul1 and whatever your soul does is your own act4 ,to know the soul1 then1 unless it had been divine1 would not have been a precept of such excellent wisdom1 as to be attributed to a god2 but even though the soul should not know of what nature itself is1 will you say that it does not even perceive that it exists at all1 or that it has motion8 on which is founded that reason of ,plato's1 which is explained by ,socrates in the ,phdrus1 and inserted by me1 in my sixth book of the ,republic4 ,,xxiii4 8,that which is always moved is eternal2 but that which gives motion to something else1 and is moved itself by some external cause1 when that motion ceases1 must necessarily cease to exist4 ,that1 therefore1 alone1 which is self-moved1 because it is never forsaken by itself1 can never cease to be moved4 ,besides1 it is the beginning and principle of motion to everything else2 but whatever is a principle has no beginning1 for all things arise from that principle1 and it cannot itself owe its rise to anything else2 for then it would not be a principle did it proceed from anything else4 ,but if it has no beginning1 it never will have any end2 for a principle which is once extinguished1 cannot itself be restored by anything else1 nor can it produce anything else from itself2 inasmuch as all things must necessarily arise from some first cause4 ,and thus it comes about1 that the first principle of motion must arise from that thing which is itself moved by itself2 and that can neither have a beginning nor an end of its existence1 for otherwise the whole heaven and earth would be overset1 and all nature would stand still1 and not be able to acquire any force1 by the impulse of which it might be first set in motion4 ,seeing1 then1 that it is clear1 that whatever moves itself is eternal1 can there be any doubt that the soul is so8 ,for everything is inanimate which is moved by an external force2 but everything which is animate is moved by an interior force1 which also belongs to itself4 ,for this is the peculiar nature and power of the soul2 and if the soul be the only thing in the whole world which has the power of self-motion1 then certainly it never had a beginning1 and therefore it is eternal40 ,now1 should all the lower order of philosophers1 7for so ,i think they may be called1 who dissent from ,plato and ,socrates and that school17 unite their force1 they never would be able to explain anything so elegantly as this1 nor even to understand how ingeniously this conclusion is drawn4 ,the soul1 then1 perceives itself to have motion1 and at the same time that it gets that perception1 it is sensible that it derives that motion from its own power1 and not from the agency of another2 and it is impossible that it should ever forsake itself2 and these premises compel you to allow its eternity1 unless you have something to say against them4 ,a4 ,i should myself be very well pleased not to have even a thought arise in my mind against them1 so much am ,i inclined to that opinion4 ,,xxiv4 ,m4 ,well then1 ,i appeal to you1 if the arguments which prove that there is something divine in the souls of men are not equally strong8 but if ,i could account for the origin of these divine properties1 then ,i might also be able to explain how they might cease to exist2 for ,i think ,i can account for the manner in which the blood1 and bile1 and phlegm1 and bones1 and nerves1 and veins1 and all the limbs1 and the shape of the whole body1 were put together and made2 aye1 and even as to the soul itself1 were there nothing more in it than a principle of life1 then the life of a man might be put upon the same footing as that of a vine or any other tree1 and accounted for as caused by nature2 for these things1 as we say1 live4 ,besides1 if desires and aversions were all that belonged to the soul1 it would have them only in common with the beasts2 but it has1 in the first place1 memory1 and that1 too1 so infinite1 as to recollect an absolute countless number of circumstances1 which ,plato will have to be a recollection of a former life2 for in that book which is inscribed ,menon1 ,socrates asks a child some questions in geometry1 with reference to measuring a square2 his answers are such as a child would make1 and yet the questions are so easy1 that while answering them1 one by one1 he comes to the same point as if he had learned geometry4 ,from whence ,socrates would infer1 that learning is nothing more than recollection2 and this topic he explains more accurately1 in the discourse which he held the very day he died2 for he there asserts that any one who seeming to be entirely illiterate1 is yet able to answer a question well that is proposed to him1 does in so doing manifestly show that he is not learning it then1 but recollecting it by his memory4 ,nor is it to be accounted for in any other way1 how children come to have notions of so many and such important things1 as are implanted1 and as it were sealed up in their minds1 7which the ,greeks call 17 unless the soul before it entered the body had been well stored with knowledge4 ,and as it had no existence at all1 7for this is the invariable doctrine of ,plato1 who will not admit anything to have a real existence which has a beginning and an end2 and who thinks that that alone does really exist which is of such a character as what he calls 1 and we species17 therefore1 being shut up in the body1 it could not while in the body discover what it knows3 but it knew it before1 and brought the knowledge with it1 so that we are no longer surprised at its extensive and multifarious knowledge3 nor does the soul clearly discover its ideas at its first resort to this abode to which it is so unaccustomed1 and which is in so disturbed a state2 but after having refreshed and recollected itself1 it then by its memory recovers them2 and1 therefore1 to learn implies nothing more than to recollect4 ,but ,i am in a particular manner surprised at memory2 for what is that faculty by which we remember8 what is its force8 what its nature8 ,i am not inquiring how great a memory ,simonides7#fb7 may be said to have had1 or ,theodectes17#fc7 or that ,cineas17#fd7 who was sent to ,rome as ambassador from ,pyrrhus1 or in more modern times ,charmadas27#fe7 or very lately1 ,metrodorus17#ff7 the ,scepsian1 or our own contemporary ,hortensius37#fg7 ,i am speaking of ordinary memory1 and especially of those men who are employed in any important study or art1 the great capacity of whose minds it is hard to estimate1 such numbers of things do they remember4 ,,xxv4 ,should you ask what this leads to1 ,i think we may understand what that power is1 and whence we have it4 ,it certainly proceeds neither from the heart1 nor from the blood1 nor from the brain1 nor from atoms2 whether it be air or fire1 ,i know not1 nor am ,i1 as those men are1 ashamed in cases where ,i am ignorant1 to own that ,i am so4 ,if in any other obscure matter ,i were able to assert anything positively1 then ,i would swear that the soul1 be it air or fire1 is divine4 ,just think1 ,i beseech you1--can you imagine this wonderful power of memory to be sown in1 or to be a part of the composition of the earth1 or of this dark and gloomy atmosphere8 ,though you cannot apprehend what it is1 yet you see what kind of thing it is1 or if you do not quite see that1 yet you certainly see how great it is4 ,what then8 shall we imagine that there is a kind of measure in the soul1 into which1 as into a vessel1 all that we remember is poured8 that indeed is absurd2 for how shall we form any idea of the bottom1 or of the shape or fashion of such a soul as that8 and again how are we to conceive how much it is able to contain8 ,shall we imagine the soul to receive impressions like wax1 and memory to be marks of the impressions made on the soul8 ,what are the characters of the words1 what of the facts themselves8 and what again is that prodigious greatness which can give rise to impressions of so many things8 ,what1 lastly1 is that power which investigates secret things1 and is called invention and contrivance8 ,does that man seem to be compounded of this earthly1 mortal1 and perishing nature1 who first invented names for everything1 which1 if you will believe ,pythagoras1 is the highest pitch of wisdom8 or he1 who collected the dispersed inhabitants of the world1 and united them1 in the bonds of social life8 or he1 who confined the sounds of the voice1 which used to seem infinite1 to the marks of a few letters8 or he who first observed the courses of the planets1 their progressive motions1 their laws8 ,these were all great men2 but they were greater still1 who invented food1 and raiment1 and houses2 who introduced civilization amongst us1 and armed us against the wild beasts2 by whom we were made sociable and polished1 and so proceeded from the necessaries of life to its embellishments4 ,for we have provided great entertainments for the ears1 by inventing and modulating the variety and nature of sounds2 we have learnt to survey the stars1 not only those that are fixed1 but also those which are improperly called wandering2 and the man who has acquainted himself with all their revolutions and motions1 is fairly considered to have a soul resembling the soul of that ,being who has created those stars in the heavens3 for when ,archimedes described in a sphere the motions of the moon1 sun1 and five planets1 he did the very same thing as ,plato's ,god1 in his ,timus1 who made the world2 causing one revolution to adjust motions differing as much as possible in their slowness and velocity4 ,now1 allowing that what we see in the world could not be effected without a ,god1 ,archimedes could not have imitated the same motions in his sphere without a divine soul4 ,,xxvi4 ,to me1 indeed1 it appears that even those studies which are more common and in greater esteem are not without some divine energy3 so that ,i do not consider that a poet can produce a serious and sublime poem1 without some divine impulse working on his mind2 nor do ,i think that eloquence1 abounding with sonorous words and fruitful sentences1 can flow thus1 without something beyond mere human power4 ,but as to philosophy1 that is the parent of all the arts1 what can we call that but1 as ,plato says1 a gift1 or as ,i express it1 an invention of the ,gods8 ,this it was which first taught us the worship of the ,gods2 and then led us on to justice1 which arises from the human race being formed into society3 and after that it imbued us with modesty1 and elevation of soul4 ,this it was which dispersed darkness from our souls1 as it is dispelled from our eyes1 enabling us to see all things that are above or below1 the beginning1 end1 and middle of every thing4 ,i am convinced entirely1 that that which could effect so many and such great things must be a divine power4 ,for what is memory of words and circumstances8 what1 too1 is invention8 ,surely they are things than which nothing greater can be conceived in a ,god6 for ,i do not imagine the ,gods to be delighted with nectar and ambrosia1 or with ,juventas presenting them with a cup2 nor do ,i put any faith in ,homer1 who says that ,ganymede was carried away by the ,gods1 on account of his beauty1 in order to give ,jupiter his wine4 ,too weak reasons for doing ,laomedon such injury6 ,these were mere inventions of ,homer1 who gave his ,gods the imperfections of men4 ,i would rather that he had given men the perfections of the ,gods6 those perfections1 ,i mean1 of uninterrupted health1 wisdom1 invention1 memory4 ,therefore the soul 7which is1 as ,i say1 divine17 is1 as ,euripides more boldly expresses it1 a ,god4 ,and thus1 if the divinity be air or fire1 the soul of man is the same3 for as that celestial nature has nothing earthly or humid about it1 in like manner the soul of man is also free from both these qualities3 but if it is of that fifth kind of nature1 first introduced by ,aristotle1 then both ,gods and souls are of the same4 ,,xxvii4 ,as this is my opinion1 ,i have explained it in these very words1 in my book on ,consolation47#fh7 ,the origin of the soul of man is not to be found upon earth1 for there is nothing in the soul of a mixed or concrete nature1 or that has any appearance of being formed or made out of the earth2 nothing even humid1 or airy1 or fiery3 for what is there in natures of that kind which has the power of memory1 understanding1 or thought8 which can recollect the past2 foresee the future2 and comprehend the present8 for these capabilities are confined to divine beings2 nor can we discover any source from which men could derive them1 but from ,god4 ,there is therefore a peculiar nature and power in the soul1 distinct from those natures which are more known and familiar to us4 ,whatever1 then1 that is which thinks1 and which has understanding1 and volition1 and a principle of life1 is heavenly and divine1 and on that account must necessarily be eternal3 nor can ,god himself1 who is known to us1 be conceived to be anything else except a soul free and unembarrassed1 distinct from all mortal concretion1 acquainted with everything1 and giving motion to everything1 and itself endued with perpetual motion4 ,,xxviii4 ,of this kind and nature is the intellect of man4 ,where1 then1 is this intellect seated1 and of what character is it8 where is your own1 and what is its character8 are you able to tell8 ,if ,i have not faculties for knowing all that ,i could desire to know1 will you not even allow me to make use of those which ,i have8 ,the soul has not sufficient capacity to comprehend itself2 yet1 the soul1 like the eye1 though it has no distinct view of itself1 sees other things3 it does not see 7which is of least consequence7 its own shape2 perhaps not1 though it possibly may2 but we will pass that by3 but it certainly sees that it has vigour1 sagacity1 memory1 motion1 and velocity2 these are all great1 divine1 eternal properties4 ,what its appearance is1 or where it dwells1 it is not necessary even to inquire4 ,as when we behold1 first of all1 the beauty and brilliant appearance of the heavens2 secondly1 the vast velocity of its revolutions1 beyond power of our imagination to conceive2 then the vicissitudes of nights and days2 the four-fold division of the seasons1 so well adapted to the ripening of the fruits of the earth1 and the temperature of our bodies2 and after that we look up to the sun1 the moderator and governor of all these things2 and view the moon1 by the increase and decrease of its light1 marking1 as it were1 and appointing our holy days2 and see the five planets1 borne on in the same circle1 divided into twelve parts1 preserving the same course with the greatest regularity1 but with utterly dissimilar motions amongst themselves2 and the nightly appearance of the heaven1 adorned on all sides with stars2 then1 the globe of the earth1 raised above the sea1 and placed in the centre of the universe1 inhabited and cultivated in its two opposite extremities2 one of which1 the place of our habitation1 is situated towards the north pole1 under the seven stars3-- ,where the cold northern blasts1 with horrid sound1 ,harden to ice the snowy cover'd ground1-- the other1 towards the south pole1 is unknown to us2 but is called by the ,greeks 3 the other parts are uncultivated1 because they are either frozen with cold1 or burnt up with heat2 but where we dwell1 it never fails in its season1 ,to yield a placid sky1 to bid the trees ,assume the lively verdure of their leaves3 ,the vine to bud1 and1 joyful in its shoots1 ,foretell the approaching vintage of its fruits3 ,the ripen'd corn to sing1 whilst all around ,full riv'lets glide2 and flowers deck the ground3-- then the multitude of cattle1 fit part for food1 part for tilling the ground1 others for carrying us1 or for clothing us2 and man himself1 made as it were on purpose to contemplate the heavens and the ,gods1 and to pay adoration to them2 lastly1 the whole earth1 and wide extending seas1 given to man's use4 ,when we view these1 and numberless other things1 can we doubt that they have some being who presides over them1 or has made them 7if1 indeed1 they have been made1 as is the opinion of ,plato1 or if1 as ,aristotle thinks1 they are eternal71 or who at all events is the regulator of so immense a fabric and so great a blessing to men8 ,thus1 though you see not the soul of man1 as you see not the ,deity1 yet1 as by the contemplation of his works you are led to acknowledge a ,god1 so you must own the divine power of the soul1 from its remembering things1 from its invention1 from the quickness of its motion1 and from all the beauty of virtue4 ,where1 then1 is it seated1 you will say8 ,,xxix4 ,in my opinion it is seated in the head1 and ,i can bring you reasons for my adopting that opinion4 ,at present1 let the soul reside where it will1 you certainly have one in you4 ,should you ask what its nature is8 ,it has one peculiarly its own2 but admitting it to consist of fire1 or air1 it does not affect the present question2 only observe this1 that as you are convinced there is a ,god1 though you are ignorant where he resides1 and what shape he is of2 in like manner you ought to feel assured that you have a soul1 though you cannot satisfy yourself of the place of its residence1 nor its form4 ,in our knowledge of the soul1 unless we are grossly ignorant of natural philosophy1 we cannot but be satisfied that it has nothing but what is simple1 unmixed1 uncompounded1 and single2 and if this is admitted1 then it cannot be separated1 nor divided1 nor dispersed1 nor parted1 and therefore it cannot perish2 for to perish implies a parting asunder1 a division1 a disunion of those parts which1 whilst it subsisted1 were held together by some band2 and it was because he was influenced by these and similar reasons that ,socrates neither looked out for anybody to plead for him when he was accused1 nor begged any favour from his judges1 but maintained a manly freedom1 which was the effect not of pride1 but of the true greatness of his soul3 and on the last day of his life1 he held a long discourse on this subject2 and a few days before1 when he might have been easily freed from his confinement1 he refused to be so1 and when he had almost actually hold of that deadly cup1 he spoke with the air of a man not forced to die1 but ascending into heaven4 ,,xxx4 ,for so indeed he thought himself1 and thus he spoke3--8,that there were two ways1 and that the souls of men1 at their departure from the body1 took different roads1 for those which were polluted with vices1 that are common to men1 and which had given themselves up entirely to unclean desires1 and had become so blinded by them as to have habituated themselves to all manner of debauchery and profligacy1 or to have laid detestable schemes for the ruin of their country1 took a road wide of that which led to the assembly of the ,gods3 but they who had preserved themselves upright and chaste1 and free from the slightest contagion of the body1 and had always kept themselves as far as possible at a distance from it1 and whilst on earth1 had proposed to themselves as a model the life of the ,gods1 found the return to those beings from whom they had come an easy one40 ,therefore he argues1 that all good and wise men should take example from the swans1 who are considered sacred to ,apollo1 not without reason1 but particularly because they seem to have received the gift of divination from him1 by which1 foreseeing how happy it is to die1 they leave this world with singing and joy4 ,nor can any one doubt of this1 unless it happens to us who think with care and anxiety about the soul1 7as is often the case with those who look earnestly at the setting sun17 to lose the sight of it entirely3 and so the mind's eye viewing itself1 sometimes grows dull1 and for that reason we become remiss in our contemplation4 ,thus our reasoning is borne about1 harassed with doubts and anxieties1 not knowing how to proceed1 but measuring back again those dangerous tracts which it has passed1 like a boat tossed about on the boundless ocean4 ,but these reflections are of long standing1 and borrowed from the ,greeks4 ,but ,cato left this world in such a manner1 as if he were delighted that he had found an opportunity of dying2 for that ,god who presides in us1 forbids our departure hence without his leave4 ,but when ,god himself has given us a just cause1 as formerly he did to ,socrates1 and lately to ,cato1 and often to many others1--in such a case1 certainly every man of sense would gladly exchange this darkness1 for that light3 not that he would forcibly break from the chains that held him1 for that would be against the law2 but like a man released from prison by a magistrate1 or some lawful authority1 so he too would walk away1 being released and discharged by ,god4 ,for the whole life of a philosopher is1 as the same philosopher says1 a meditation on death4 ,,xxxi4 ,for what else is it that we do1 when we call off our minds from pleasure1 that is to say1 from our attention to the body1 from the managing our domestic estate1 which is a sort of handmaid and servant of the body1 or from duties of a public nature1 or from all other serious business whatever8 ,what else is it1 ,i say1 that we do1 but invite the soul to reflect on itself8 oblige it to converse with itself1 and1 as far as possible1 break off its acquaintance with the body8 ,now to separate the soul from the body1 is to learn to die1 and nothing else whatever4 ,wherefore take my advice2 and let us meditate on this1 and separate ourselves as far as possible from the body1 that is to say1 let us accustom ourselves to die4 ,this will be enjoying a life like that of heaven even while we remain on earth2 and when we are carried thither and released from these bonds1 our souls will make their progress with more rapidity3 for the spirit which has always been fettered by the bonds of the body1 even when it is disengaged1 advances more slowly1 just as those do who have worn actual fetters for many years3 but when we have arrived at this emancipation from the bonds of the body1 then indeed we shall begin to live1 for this present life is really death1 which ,i could say a good deal in lamentation for if ,i chose4 ,a4 ,you have lamented it sufficiently in your book on ,consolation2 and when ,i read that1 there is nothing which ,i desire more than to leave these things3 but that desire is increased a great deal by what ,i have just heard4 ,m4 ,the time will come1 and that soon1 and with equal certainty whether you hang back or press forward2 for time flies4 ,but death is so far from being an evil1 as it lately appeared to you1 that ,i am inclined to suspect1 not that there is no other thing which is an evil to man1 but rather that there is nothing else which is a real good to him2 if1 at least1 it is true1 that we become thereby either ,gods ourselves1 or companions of the ,gods4 ,however1 this is not of so much consequence1 as there are some of us here who will not allow this4 ,but ,i will not leave off discussing this point till ,i have convinced you that death can1 upon no consideration whatever1 be an evil4 ,a4 ,how can it1 after what ,i now know8 ,m4 ,do you ask how it can8 ,there are crowds of arguers who contradict this2 and those not only ,epicureans1 whom ,i regard very little1 but1 some how or other1 almost every man of letters2 and1 above all1 my favourite ,dicarchus is very strenuous in opposing the immortality of the soul3 for he has written three books1 which are entitled ,lesbiacs1 because the discourse was held at ,mitylene1 in which he seeks to prove that souls are mortal4 ,the ,stoics1 on the other hand1 allow us as long a time for enjoyment as the life of a raven2 they allow the soul to exist a great while1 but are against its eternity4 ,,xxxii4 ,are you willing to hear then why1 even allowing this1 death cannot be an evil8 ,a4 ,as you please2 but no one shall drive me from my belief in mortality4 ,m4 ,i commend you indeed1 for that2 though we should not be too confident in our belief of anything2 for we are frequently disturbed by some subtle conclusion2 we give way and change our opinions even in things that are more evident than this2 for in this there certainly is some obscurity4 ,therefore1 should anything of this kind happen1 it is well to be on our guard4 ,a4 ,you are right in that1 but ,i will provide against any accident4 ,m4 ,have you any objection to our dismissing our friends the ,stoics8 those1 ,i mean1 who allow that the souls exist after they have left the body1 but yet deny that they exist for ever4 ,a4 ,we certainly may dismiss the consideration of those men who admit that which is the most difficult point in the whole question1 namely1 that a soul can exist independently of the body1 and yet refuse to grant that1 which is not only very easy to believe1 but which is even the natural consequence of the concession which they have made1 that if they can exist for a length of time1 they most likely do so for ever4 ,m4 ,you take it right2 that is the very thing3 shall we give1 therefore1 any credit to ,pantius1 when he dissents from his master1 ,plato8 whom he everywhere calls divine1 the wisest1 the holiest of men1 the ,homer of philosophers2 and whom he opposes in nothing except this single opinion of the soul's immortality3 for he maintains what nobody denies1 that everything which has been generated will perish2 and that even souls are generated1 which he thinks appears from their resemblance to those of the men who begot them2 for that likeness is as apparent in the turn of their minds as in their bodies4 ,but he brings another reason2 that there is nothing which is sensible of pain which is not also liable to disease2 but whatever is liable to disease must be liable to death2 the soul is sensible of pain1 therefore it is liable to perish4 ,,xxxiii4 ,these arguments may be refuted2 for they proceed from his not knowing that while discussing the subject of the immortality of the soul1 he is speaking of the intellect1 which is free from all turbid motion2 but not of those parts of the mind in which those disorders1 anger and lust1 have their seat1 and which he whom he is opposing1 when he argues thus1 imagines to be distinct and separate from the mind4 ,now this resemblance is more remarkable in beasts1 whose souls are void of reason4 ,but the likeness in men consists more in the configuration of the bodies2 and it is of no little consequence in what bodies the soul is lodged2 for there are many things which depend on the body that give an edge to the soul1 many which blunt it4 ,aristotle indeed1 says1 that all men of great genius are melancholy2 so that ,i should not have been displeased to have been somewhat duller than ,i am4 ,he instances many1 and1 as if it were matter of fact1 brings his reasons for it3 but if the power of those things that proceed from the body be so great as to influence the mind1 7for they are the things1 whatever they are1 that occasion this likeness17 still that does not necessarily prove why a similitude of souls should be generated4 ,i say nothing about cases of unlikeness4 ,i wish ,pantius could be here2 he lived with ,africanus2 ,i would inquire of him which of his family the nephew of ,africanus's brother was like8 ,possibly he may in person have resembled his father2 but in his manners1 he was so like every profligate abandoned man1 that it was impossible to be more so4 ,who did the grandson of ,p4 ,crassus1 that wise1 and eloquent1 and most distinguished man resemble8 ,or the relations and sons of many other excellent men1 whose names there is no occasion to mention8 ,but what are we doing8 ,have we forgotten that our purpose was1 when we had sufficiently spoken on the subject of the immortality of the soul1 to prove that1 even if the soul did perish1 there would be1 even then1 no evil in death8 ,a4 ,i remembered it very well2 but ,i had no dislike to your digressing a little from your original design1 whilst you were talking of the soul's immortality4 ,m4 ,i perceive you have sublime thoughts1 and are eager to mount up to heaven4 ,,xxxiv4 ,i am not without hopes myself that such may be our fate4 ,but admit what they assert2 that the soul does not continue to exist after death4 ,a4 ,should it be so1 ,i see that we are then deprived of the hopes of a happier life4 ,m4 ,but what is there of evil in that opinion8 ,for let the soul perish as the body3 is there any pain1 or indeed any feeling at all in the body after death8 ,no one1 indeed1 asserts that2 though ,epicurus charges ,democritus with saying so2 but the disciples of ,democritus deny it4 ,no sense1 therefore1 remains in the soul2 for the soul is nowhere2 where1 then1 is the evil8 for there is nothing but these two things4 ,is it because the mere separation of the soul and body cannot be effected without pain8 but even should that be granted1 how small a pain must that be6 ,yet ,i think that it is false2 and that it is very often unaccompanied by any sensation at all1 and sometimes even attended with pleasure3 but certainly the whole must be very trifling1 whatever it is1 for it is instantaneous4 ,what makes us uneasy1 or rather gives us pain1 is the leaving all the good things of life4 ,but just consider1 if ,i might not more properly say1 leaving the evils of life2 only there is no reason for my now occupying myself in bewailing the life of man1 and yet ,i might1 with very good reason2 but what occasion is there1 when what ,i am labouring to prove is that no one is miserable after death1 to make life more miserable by lamenting over it8 ,i have done that in the book which ,i wrote1 in order to comfort myself as well as ,i could4 ,if1 then1 our inquiry is after truth1 death withdraws us from evil1 not from good4 ,this subject is indeed so copiously handled by ,hegesias1 the ,cyrenaic philosopher1 that he is said to have been forbid by ,ptolemy from delivering his lectures in the schools1 because some who heard him made away with themselves4 ,there is too1 an epigram of ,callimachus17#fi7 on ,cleombrotus of ,ambracia2 who1 without any misfortune having befallen him1 as he says1 threw himself from a wall into the sea1 after he had read a boot of ,plato's4 ,the book ,i mentioned of that ,hegesias1 is called 1 or 8,a ,man who starves himself10 in which a man is represented as killing himself by starvation1 till he is prevented by his friends1 in reply to whom he reckons up all the miseries of human life3 ,i might do the same1 though not so fully as he1 who thinks it not worth any man's while to live4 ,i pass over others4 ,was it even worth my while to live1 for1 had ,i died before ,i was deprived of the comforts of my own family1 and of the honours which ,i received for my public services1 would not death have taken me from the evils of life1 rather than from its blessings8 ,,xxxv4 ,mention1 therefore1 some one1 who never knew distress2 who never received any blow from fortune4 ,the great ,metellus had four distinguished sons2 but ,priam had fifty1 seventeen of which were born to him by his lawful wife3 ,fortune had the same power over both1 though she exercised it but on one3 for ,metellus was laid on his funeral pile by a great company of sons and daughters1 grandsons1 and grandaughters2 but ,priam fell by the hand of an enemy1 after having fled to the altar1 and having seen himself deprived of all his numerous progeny4 ,had he died before the death of his sons and the ruin of his kingdom1 ,with all his mighty wealth elate1 ,under rich canopies of state2 would he then have been taken from good or from evil8 ,it would indeed1 at that time1 have appeared that he was being taken away from good2 yet surely1 it would have turned out advantageous for him2 nor should we have had these mournful verses1-- ,lo6 these all perish'd in one flaming pile2 ,the foe old ,priam did of life beguile1 ,and with his blood1 thy altar1 ,jove1 defile4 ,as if anything better could have happened to him at that time1 than to lose his life in that manner2 but yet1 if it had befallen him sooner1 it would have prevented all those consequences2 but even as it was it released him from any further sense of them4 ,the case of our friend ,pompey7#gj7 was something better3 once1 when he had been very ill at ,naples1 the ,neapolitans on his recovery put crowns on their heads1 as did those of ,puteoli2 the people flocked from the country to congratulate him2--it is a ,grecian custom1 and a foolish one2 still it is a sign of good fortune4 ,but the question is1 had he died1 would he have been taken from good1 or from evil8 ,certainly from evil4 ,he would not have been engaged in a war with his father-in-law27#ga7 he would not have taken up arms before he was prepared2 he would not have left his own house1 nor fled from ,italy2 he would not1 after the loss of his army1 have fallen unarmed into the hands of slaves1 and been put to death by them2 his children would not have been destroyed2 nor would his whole fortune have come into the possession of the conquerors4 ,did not he1 then1 who1 if he had died at that time would have died in all his glory1 owe all the great and terrible misfortunes into which he subsequently fell to the prolongation of his life at that time8 ,,xxxvi4 ,these calamities are avoided by death1 for even though they should never happen1 there is a possibility that they may2 but it never occurs to a man1 that such a disaster may befal him himself4 ,every one hopes to be as happy as ,metellus3 as if the number of the happy exceeded that of the miserable2 or as if there were any certainty in human affairs2 or again1 as if there were more rational foundation for hope than fear4 ,but should we grant them even this1 that men are by death deprived of good things1 would it follow that the dead are therefore in need of the good things of life1 and are miserable on that account8 ,certainly they must necessarily say so4 ,can he who does not exist1 be in need of anything8 ,to be in need of1 has a melancholy sound1 because it in effect amounts to this1--he had1 but he has not2 he regrets1 he looks back upon1 he wants4 ,such are1 ,i suppose1 the distresses of one who is in need of4 ,is he deprived of eyes8 to be blind is misery4 ,is he destitute of children8 not to have them is misery4 ,these considerations apply to the living1 but the dead are neither in need of the blessings of life1 nor of life itself4 ,but when ,i am speaking of the dead ,i am speaking of those who have no existence4 ,but would any one say of us1 who do exist1 that we want horns or wings8 ,certainly not4 ,should it be asked1 why not8 the answer would be1 that not to have what neither custom nor nature has fitted you for1 would not imply a want of them1 even though you were sensible that you had them not4 ,this argument should be pressed over and over again1 after that point has once been established1 which if souls are mortal there can be no dispute about--,i mean1 that the destruction of them by death is so entire1 as to remove even the least suspicion of any sense remaining4 ,when1 therefore1 this point is once well grounded and established1 we must correctly define what the term1 to want1 means2 that there may be no mistake in the word4 ,to want1 then1 signifies this2 to be without that which you would be glad to have3 for inclination for a thing is implied in the word want2 excepting when we use the word in an entirely different sense1 as we do when we say that a fever is wanting to any one4 ,for it admits of a different interpretation1 when you are without a certain thing1 and are sensible that you are without it1 but yet can easily dispense with having it4 8,to want10 then1 is an expression which you cannot apply to the dead1 nor is the mere fact of wanting something necessarily lamentable4 ,the proper expression ought to be1 8that they want a good10 and that is an evil4 ,but a living man does not want a good1 unless he is distressed without it2 and yet1 we can easily understand how any man alive can be without a kingdom4 ,but this cannot be predicated of you with any accuracy3 it might have been asserted of ,tarquin1 when he was driven from his kingdom3 but when such an expression is used respecting the dead it is absolutely unintelligible4 ,for to want1 implies to be sensible2 but the dead are insensible2 therefore the dead can be in no want4 ,,xxxvii4 ,but what occasion is there to philosophize here1 in a matter with which we see that philosophy is but little concerned8 ,how often have not only our generals1 but whole armies1 rushed on certain death6 but if it had been a thing to be feared1 ,l4 ,brutus would never have fallen in fight1 to prevent the return of that tyrant whom he had expelled2 nor would ,decius the father have been slain in fighting with the ,latins2 nor would his son1 when engaged with the ,etruscans1 nor his grandson with ,pyrrhus1 have exposed themselves to the enemy's darts4 ,spain would never have seen1 in one campaign1 the ,scipios fall fighting for their country2 nor would the plains of ,cann have witnessed the death of ,paulus and ,geminus2 or ,venusia1 that of ,marcellus3 nor would the ,latins have beheld the death of ,albinus2 nor the ,lucanians1 that of ,gracchus4 ,but are any of these miserable now8 nay1 they were not so even at the first moment after they had breathed their last3 nor can any one be miserable after he has lost all sensation4 ,oh1 but the mere circumstance of being without sensation is miserable4 ,it might be so if being without sensation were the same thing as wanting it2 but as it is evident there can be nothing of any kind in that which has no existence1 what can there be afflicting to that which can neither feel want1 nor be sensible of anything8 ,we might be said to have repeated this over too often1 only that here lies all that the soul shudders at1 from the fear of death4 ,for whoever can clearly apprehend that which is as manifest as the light1 that when both soul and body are consumed1 and there is a total destruction1 then that which was an animal1 becomes nothing2 will clearly see1 that there is no difference between a ,hippocentaur1 which never had existence1 and king ,agamemnon2 and that ,m4 ,camillus is no more concerned about this present civil war1 than ,i was at the sacking of ,rome1 when he was living4 ,,xxxviii4 ,why1 then1 should ,camillus be affected with the thoughts of these things happening three hundred and fifty years after his time8 ,and why should ,i be uneasy if ,i were to expect that some nation might possess itself of this city1 ten thousand years hence8 ,because so great is our regard for our country1 as not to be measured by our own feeling1 but by its own actual safety4 ,death1 then1 which threatens us daily from a thousand accidents1 and which1 by reason of the shortness of life1 can never be far off1 does not deter a wise man from making such provision for his country and his family1 as he hopes may last for ever2 and from regarding posterity1 of which he can never have any real perception1 as belonging to himself4 ,wherefore a man may act for eternity1 even though he be persuaded that his soul is mortal2 not1 indeed1 from a desire of glory1 which he will be insensible of1 but from a principle of virtue1 which glory will inevitably attend1 though that is not his object4 ,the process1 indeed1 of nature is this2 that just in the same manner as our birth was the beginning of things with us1 so death will be the end2 and as we were no ways concerned with anything before we were born1 so neither shall we be after we are dead2 and in this state of things where can the evil be8 since death has no connexion with either the living or the dead2 the one have no existence at all1 the other are not yet affected by it4 ,they who make the least of death consider it as having a great resemblance to sleep2 as if any one would choose to live ninety years on condition that1 at the expiration of sixty1 he should sleep out the remainder4 ,the very swine would not accept of life on those terms1 much less ,i3 ,endymion1 indeed1 if you listen to fables1 slept once on a time1 on ,latmus1 a mountain of ,caria1 and for such a length of time that ,i imagine he is not as yet awake4 ,do you think that he is concerned at the ,moon's being in difficulties1 though it was by her that he was thrown into that sleep1 in order that she might kiss him while sleeping2 for what should he be concerned for who has not even any sensation8 ,you look on sleep as an image of death1 and you take that on you daily2 and have you1 then1 any doubt that there is no sensation in death1 when you see there is none in sleep1 which is its near resemblance8 ,,xxxix4 ,away1 then1 with those follies which are little better than the old women's dreams1 such as that it is miserable to die before our time4 ,what time do you mean8 ,that of nature8 ,but she has only lent you life1 as she might lend you money1 without fixing any certain time for its repayment4 ,have you any grounds of complaint1 then1 that she recals it at her pleasure8 for you received it on these terms4 ,they that complain thus1 allow1 that if a young child dies the survivors ought to bear his loss with equanimity2 that if an infant in the cradle dies1 they ought not even to utter a complaint2 and yet nature has been more severe with them in demanding back what she gave4 ,they answer by saying1 that such have not tasted the sweets of life2 while the other had begun to conceive hopes of great happiness1 and indeed had begun to realize them4 ,men judge better in other things1 and allow a part to be preferable to none2 why do they not admit the same estimate in life8 ,though ,callimachus does not speak amiss in saying1 that more tears had flowed from ,priam than his son2 yet they are thought happier who die after they have reached old age4 ,it would be hard to say why2 for ,i do not apprehend that any one1 if a longer life were granted to him1 would find it happier4 ,there is nothing more agreeable to a man than prudence1 which old age most certainly bestows on a man1 though it may strip him of everything else2 but what age is long8 or what is there at all long to a man8 ,does not ,old age1 though unregarded1 still attend ,on childhood's pastimes1 as the cares of men8 ,but because there is nothing beyond old age1 we call that long2 all these things are said to be long or short1 according to the proportion of time they were given us for4 ,aristotle saith1 there is a kind of insect near the river ,hypanis1 which runs from a certain part of ,europe into the ,pontus1 whose life consists but of one day2 those that die at the eighth hour1 die in full age2 those who die when the sun sets are very old1 especially when the days are at the longest4 ,compare our longest life with eternity and we shall be found almost as short-lived as those little animals4 ,,xl4 ,let us1 then1 despise all these follies--for what softer name can ,i give to such levities8--and let us lay the foundation of our happiness in the strength and greatness of our minds1 in a contempt and disregard of all earthly things1 and in the practice of every virtue4 ,for at present we are enervated by the softness of our imaginations1 so that1 should we leave this world before the promises of our fortune-tellers are made good to us1 we should think ourselves deprived of some great advantages1 and seem disappointed and forlorn4 ,but if1 through life1 we are in continual suspense1 still expecting1 still desiring1 and are in continual pain and torture1 good ,gods6 how pleasant must that journey be which ends in security and ease6 ,how pleased am ,i with ,theramenes6 of how exalted a soul does he appear6 ,for1 although we never read of him without tears1 yet that illustrious man is not to be lamented in his death1 who1 when he had been imprisoned by the command of the thirty tyrants1 drank off1 at one draught1 as if he had been thirsty1 the poisoned cup1 and threw the remainder out of it with such force1 that it sounded as it fell2 and then1 on hearing the sound of the drops1 he said1 with a smile1 8,i drink this to the most excellent ,critias10 who had been his most bitter enemy2 for it is customary among the ,greeks1 at their banquets1 to name the person to whom they intend to deliver the cup4 ,this celebrated man was pleasant to the last1 even when he had received the poison into his bowels1 and truly foretold the death of that man whom he named when he drank the poison1 and that death soon followed4 ,who that thinks death an evil1 could approve of the evenness of temper in this great man at the instant of dying8 ,socrates came1 a few years after1 to the same prison and the same cup1 by as great iniquity on the part of his judges as the tyrants displayed when they executed ,theramenes4 ,what a speech is that which ,plato makes him deliver before his judges1 after they had condemned him to death6 ,,xli4 8,i am not without hopes1 ,o judges1 that it is a favourable circumstance for me that ,i am condemned to die2 for one of these two things must necessarily happen1 either that death will deprive me entirely of all sense1 or else1 that by dying ,i shall go from hence into some other place2 wherefore1 if all sense is utterly extinguished1 and if death is like that sleep which sometimes is so undisturbed as to be even without the visions of dreams--in that case1 ,o ye good ,gods6 what gain is it to die6 or what length of days can be imagined which would be preferable to such a night8 ,and if the constant course of future time is to resemble that night1 who is happier than ,i am8 ,but if1 on the other hand1 what is said be true1 namely1 that death is but a removal to those regions where the souls of the departed dwell1 then that state must be more happy still1 to have escaped from those who call themselves judges1 and to appear before such as are truly so1 ,minos1 ,rhadamanthus1 acus1 ,triptolemus1 and to meet with those who have lived with justice and probity67#gb7 ,can this change of abode appear otherwise than great to you8 ,what bounds can you set to the value of conversing with ,orpheus1 and ,musus1 and ,homer1 and ,hesiod8 ,i would even1 were it possible1 willingly die often1 in order to prove the certainty of what ,i speak of4 ,what delight must it be to meet with ,palamedes1 and ,ajax1 and others1 who have been betrayed by the iniquity of their judges6 ,then1 also1 should ,i experience the wisdom of even that king of kings1 who led his vast troops to ,troy1 and the prudence of ,ulysses and ,sisyphus3 nor should ,i then be condemned for prosecuting my inquiries on such subjects in the same way in which ,i have done here on earth4 ,and even you1 my judges1 you1 ,i mean1 who have voted for my acquittal1 do not you fear death1 for nothing bad can befal a good man1 whether he be alive or dead2 nor are his concerns ever overlooked by the ,gods1 nor in my case either has this befallen me by chance2 and ,i have nothing to charge those men with who accused or condemned me1 but the fact that they believed that they were doing me harm40 ,in this manner he proceeded3 there is no part of his speech which ,i admire more than his last words3 8,but it is time10 says he1 8for me now to go hence1 that ,i may die2 and for you1 that you may continue to live4 ,which condition of the two is the best1 the immortal ,gods know2 but ,i do not believe that any mortal man does40 ,,xlii4 ,surely ,i would rather have had this man's soul1 than all the fortunes of those who sat in judgment on him2 although that very thing which he says no one except the ,gods knows1 namely1 whether life or death is most preferable1 he knows himself1 for he had previously stated his opinion on it2 but he maintained to the last that favourite maxim of his1 of affirming nothing4 ,and let us1 too1 adhere to this rule of not thinking anything an evil1 which is a general provision of nature3 and let us assure ourselves1 that if death is an evil1 it is an eternal evil1 for death seems to be the end of a miserable life2 but if death is a misery1 there can be no end of that4 ,but why do ,i mention ,socrates1 or ,theramenes1 men distinguished by the glory of virtue and wisdom8 when a certain ,lacedmonian1 whose name is not so much as known1 held death in such contempt1 that1 when led to it by the ephori1 he bore a cheerful and pleasant countenance2 and1 when he was asked by one of his enemies whether he despised the laws of ,lycurgus8 8,on the contrary10 answered he1 8,i am greatly obliged to him1 for he has amerced me in a fine which ,i can pay without borrowing1 or taking up money at interest40 ,this was a man worthy of ,sparta6 and ,i am almost persuaded of his innocence because of the greatness of his soul4 ,our own city has produced many such4 ,but why should ,i name generals1 and other men of high rank1 when ,cato could write1 that legions have marched with alacrity to that place from whence they never expected to return8 ,with no less greatness of soul fell the ,lacedmonians at ,thermopyl1 on whom ,simonides wrote the following epitaph3-- ,go1 stranger1 tell the ,spartans1 here we lie1 ,who to support their laws durst boldly die47#gc7 ,what was it that ,leonidas1 their general1 said to them8 8,march on with courage1 my ,lacedmonians2 to-night1 perhaps1 we shall sup in the regions below40 ,this was a brave nation whilst the laws of ,lycurgus were in force4 ,one of them1 when a ,persian had said to him in conversation1 8,we shall hide the sun from your sight by the number of our arrows and darts20 replied1 8,we shall fight then in the shade40 ,do ,i talk of their men8 how great was that ,lacedmonian woman1 who had sent her son to battle1 and when she heard that he was slain1 said1 8,i bore him for that purpose1 that you might have a man who durst die for his country40 ,however1 it is a matter of notoriety that the ,spartans were bold and hardy1 for the discipline of a republic has great influence4 ,,xliii4 ,what1 then1 have we not reason to admire ,theodorus the ,cyrenean1 a philosopher of no small distinction8 who1 when ,lysimachus threatened to crucify him1 bade him keep those menaces for his courtiers3 8to ,theodorus it makes no difference whether he rot in the air or under ground40 ,by which saying of the philosopher ,i am reminded to say something of the custom of funerals and sepulture1 and of funeral ceremonies1 which is1 indeed1 not a difficult subject1 especially if we recollect what has been before said about insensibility4 ,the opinion of ,socrates respecting this matter is clearly stated in the book which treats of his death2 or which we have already said so much2 for when he had discussed the immortality of the soul1 and when the time of his dying was approaching rapidly1 being asked by ,criton how he would be buried1 8,i have taken a great deal of pains1 saith he1 my friends1 to no purpose1 for ,i have not convinced our ,criton1 that ,i shall fly from hence1 and leave no part of me behind3 notwithstanding1 ,criton1 if you can overtake me1 wheresoever you get hold of me1 bury me as you please3 but believe me1 none of you will be able to catch me when ,i have flown away from hence40 ,that was excellently said1 inasmuch as he allows his friend to do as he pleased1 and yet shows his indifference about anything of this kind4 ,diogenes was rougher1 though of the same opinion1 but in his character of a ,cynic1 he expressed himself in a somewhat harsher manner2 he ordered himself to be thrown anywhere without being buried4 ,and when his friends replied1 8,what1 to the birds and beasts80 8,by no means10 saith he2 8place my staff near me1 that ,i may drive them away40 8,how can you do that10 they answer1 8for you will not perceive them80 8,how am ,i then injured by being torn by those animals1 if ,i have no sensation80 ,anaxagoras1 when he was at the point of death1 at ,lampsacus1 and was asked by his friends1 whether1 if anything should happen to him1 he would not choose to be carried to ,clazomen1 his country1 made this excellent answer1--8,there is10 says he1 8no occasion for that1 for all places are at an equal distance from the infernal regions40 ,there is one thing to be observed with respect to the whole subject of burial1 that it relates to the body1 whether the soul live or die4 ,now with regard to the body1 it is clear that whether the soul live or die1 that has no sensation4 ,,xliv4 ,but all things are full of errors4 ,achilles drags ,hector1 tied to his chariot2 he thinks1 ,i suppose1 he tears his flesh1 and that ,hector feels the pain of it2 therefore1 he avenges himself on him1 as he imagines2 but ,hecuba bewails this as a sore misfortune-- ,i saw 7a dreadful sight67 great ,hector slain1 ,dragg'd at ,achilles' car along the plain4 ,what ,hector8 or how long will he be ,hector8 ,accius is better in this1 and ,achilles1 too1 is sometimes reasonable-- ,i ,hector's body to his sire convey'd1 ,hector ,i sent to the infernal shade4 ,it was not ,hector that you dragged along1 but a body that had been ,hector's4 ,here another starts from underground1 and will not suffer his mother to sleep-- ,to thee ,i call1 my once loved parent1 hear1 ,nor longer with thy sleep relieve thy care2 ,thine eye which pities not is closed--arise1 ,ling'ring ,i wait the unpaid obsequies4 ,when these verses are sung with a slow and melancholy tune1 so as to affect the whole theatre with sadness1 one can scarce help thinking those unhappy that are unburied-- ,ere the devouring dogs and hungry vultures 444 ,he is afraid he shall not have the use of his limbs so well if they are torn to pieces1 but is under no such apprehensions if they are burned-- ,nor leave my naked bones1 my poor remains1 ,to shameful violence1 and bloody stains4 ,i do not understand what he could fear who could pour forth such excellent verses to the sound of the flute4 ,we must1 therefore1 adhere to this1 that nothing is to be regarded after we are dead1 though many people revenge themselves on their dead enemies4 ,thyestes pours forth several curses in some good lines of ,ennius1 praying1 first of all1 that ,atreus may perish by a shipwreck1 which is certainly a very terrible thing1 for such a death is not free from very grievous sensations4 ,then follow these unmeaning expressions3-- ,may ,on the sharp rock his mangled carcase lie1 ,his entrails torn1 to hungry birds a prey2 ,may he convulsive writhe his bleeding side1 ,and with his clotted gore the stones be dyed4 ,the rocks themselves were not more destitute of feeling than he who was hanging to them by his side2 though ,thyestes imagines he is wishing him the greatest torture4 ,it would be torture indeed1 if he were sensible2 but as he is not1 it can be none2 then how very unmeaning is this6 ,let him1 still hovering o'er the ,stygian wave1 ,ne'er reach the body's peaceful port1 the grave4 ,you see under what mistaken notions all this is said4 ,he imagines the body has its haven1 and that the dead are at rest in their graves4 ,pelops was greatly to blame in not having informed and taught his son what regard was due to everything4 ,,xlv4 ,but what occasion is there to animadvert on the opinions of individuals1 when we may observe whole nations to fall into all sorts of errors8 ,the ,egyptians embalm their dead1 and keep them in their houses2 the ,persians dress them over with wax1 and then bury them1 that they may preserve their bodies as long as possible4 ,it is customary with the ,magi1 to bury none of their order1 unless they have been first torn by wild beasts4 ,in ,hyrcania1 the people maintain dogs for the public use1 the nobles have their own2 and we know that they have a good breed of dogs2 but every one1 according to his ability1 provides himself with some1 in order to be torn by them2 and they hold that to be the best kind of interment4 ,chrysippus1 who is curious in all kinds of historical facts1 has collected many other things of this kind1 but some of them are so offensive as not to admit of being related4 ,all that has been said of burying1 is not worth our regard with respect to ourselves1 though it is not to be neglected as to our friends1 provided we are thoroughly aware that the dead are insensible2 but the living1 indeed1 should consider what is due to custom and opinion1 only they should at the same time consider that the dead are no ways interested in it4 ,but death truly is then met with the greatest tranquillity1 when the dying man can comfort himself with his own praise4 ,no one dies too soon who has finished the course of perfect virtue4 ,i myself have known many occasions when ,i have seemed in danger of immediate death2 oh6 how ,i wish it had come to me1 for ,i have gained nothing by the delay4 ,i had gone over and over again the duties of life2 nothing remained but to contend with fortune4 ,if reason1 then1 cannot sufficiently fortify us to enable us to feel a contempt for death1 at all events1 let our past life prove that we have lived long enough1 and even longer than was necessary2 for notwithstanding the deprivation of sense1 the dead are not without that good which peculiarly belongs to them1 namely1 the praise and glory which they have acquired1 even though they are not sensible of it4 ,for although there be nothing in glory to make it desirable1 yet it follows virtue as its shadow4 ,and the genuine judgment of the multitude on good men1 if ever they form any1 is more to their own praise1 than of any real advantage to the dead2 yet ,i cannot say1 however it may be received1 that ,lycurgus and ,solon have no glory from their laws1 and from the political constitution which they established in their country2 or that ,themistocles and ,epaminondas have not glory from their martial virtue4 ,,xlvi4 ,for ,neptune shall sooner bury ,salamis itself with his waters1 than the memory of the trophies gained there2 and the ,botian ,leuetra shall perish1 sooner than the glory of that great battle4 ,and longer still shall fame be before it deserts ,curius1 and ,fabricius1 and ,calatinus1 and the two ,scipios1 and the two ,africani1 and ,maximus1 and ,marcellus1 and ,paulus1 and ,cato1 and ,llius1 and numberless other heroes2 and whoever has caught any resemblance of them1 not estimating it by common fame1 but by the real applause of good men1 may with confidence1 when the occasion requires1 approach death1 on which we are sure that even if the chief good is not continued1 at least no evil is4 ,such a man would even wish to die1 whilst in prosperity2 for all the favours that could be heaped on him1 would not be so agreeable to him1 as the loss of them would be painful4 ,that speech of the ,lacedmonian seems to have the same meaning1 who1 when ,diagoras the ,rhodian1 who had himself been a conqueror at the ,olympic games1 saw two of his own sons conquerors there on the same day1 approached the old man1 and congratulating him1 said1 8,you should die now1 ,diagoras1 for no greater happiness can possibly await you40 ,the ,greeks look on these as great things2 perhaps they think too highly of them1 or rather they did so then4 ,and so he who said this to ,diagoras1 looking on it as something very glorious1 that three men out of one family should have been conquerors there1 thought it could answer no purpose to him1 to continue any longer in life1 where he could only be exposed to a reverse of fortune4 ,i might have given you a sufficient answer1 as it seems to me1 on this point1 in a few words1 as you had allowed the dead were not exposed to any positive evil2 but ,i have spoken at greater length on the subject for this reason1 because this is our greatest consolation in the losing and bewailing of our friends4 ,for we ought to bear with moderation any grief which arises from ourselves1 or is endured on our own account1 lest we should seem to be too much influenced by self-love4 ,but should we suspect our departed friends to be under those evils1 which they are generally imagined to be and to be sensible of them1 then such a suspicion would give us intolerable pain2 and accordingly ,i wished1 for my own sake1 to pluck up this opinion by the roots1 and on that account ,i have been perhaps somewhat more prolix than was necessary4 ,,xlvii4 ,a4 ,more prolix than was necessary8 certainly not1 in my opinion4 ,for ,i was induced by the former part of your speech1 to wish to die2 but1 by the latter1 sometimes not to be unwilling1 and at others to be wholly indifferent about it4 ,but the effect of your whole argument is1 that ,i am convinced that death ought not to be classed among the evils4 ,m4 ,do you1 then1 expect that ,i am to give you a regular peroration1 like the rhetoricians1 or shall ,i forego that art8 ,a4 ,i would not have you give over an art which you have set off to such advantage2 and you were in the right to do so1 for1 to speak the truth1 it also has set you off4 ,but what is that peroration8 for ,i should be glad to hear it1 whatever it is4 ,m4 ,it is customary in the schools1 to produce the opinions of the immortal gods on death2 nor are these opinions the fruits of the imagination alone of the lecturers1 but they have the authority of ,herodotus and many others4 ,cleobis and ,biton are the first they mention1 sons of the ,argive priestess2 the story is a well-known one4 ,as it was necessary that she should be drawn in a chariot to a certain annual sacrifice1 which was solemnized at a temple some considerable distance from the town1 and the cattle that were to draw the chariot had not arrived1 those two young men whom ,i have just mentioned1 pulling off their garments1 and anointing their bodies with oil1 harnessed themselves to the yoke4 ,and in this manner the priestess was conveyed to the temple2 and when the chariot had arrived at the proper place1 she is said to have entreated the goddess to bestow on them1 as a reward for their piety1 the greatest gift that a ,god could confer on man4 ,and the young men1 after having feasted with their mother1 fell asleep2 and in the morning they were found dead4 ,trophonius and ,agamedes are said to have put up the same petition1 for they having built a temple to ,apollo at ,delphi1 offered supplications to the god1 and desired of him some extraordinary reward for their care and labour1 particularizing nothing1 but asking for whatever was best for men4 ,accordingly1 ,apollo signified to them that he would bestow it on them in three days1 and on the third day at daybreak they were found dead4 ,and so they say that this was a formal decision pronounced by that god1 to whom the rest of the deities have assigned the province of divining with an accuracy superior to that of all the rest4 ,,xlviii4 ,there is also a story told of ,silenus1 who1 when taken prisoner by ,midas1 is said to have made him this present for his ransom2 namely1 that he informed him7#gd7 that never to have been born1 was by far the greatest blessing that could happen to man2 and that the next best thing was1 to die very soon2 which very opinion ,euripides makes use of in his ,cresphontes1 saying1-- ,when man is born1 'tis fit1 with solemn show1 ,we speak our sense of his approaching woe1 ,with other gestures1 and a different eye1 ,proclaim our pleasure when he's bid to die47#ge7 ,there is something like this in ,crantor's ,consolation2 for he says1 that ,terinus of ,elysia1 when he was bitterly lamenting the loss of his son1 came to a place of divination to be informed why he was visited with so great affliction1 and received in his tablet these three verses1-- ,thou fool1 to murmur at ,euthynous' death ,the blooming youth to fate resigns his breath3 ,the fate1 whereon your happiness depends1 ,at once the parent and the son befriends47#gf7 ,on these and similar authorities they affirm that the question has been determined by the ,gods4 ,nay more2 ,alcidamas1 an ancient rhetorician of the very highest reputation1 wrote even in praise of death1 which he endeavoured to establish by an enumeration of the evils of life2 and his ,dissertation has a great deal of eloquence in it1 but he was unacquainted with the more refined arguments of the philosophers4 ,by the orators1 indeed1 to die for our country is always considered not only as glorious1 but even as happy2 they go back as far as ,erechtheus17#gg7 whose very daughters underwent death1 for the safety of their fellow-citizens3 they instance ,codrus1 who threw himself into the midst of his enemies1 dressed like a common man1 that his royal robes might not betray him2 because the oracle had declared the ,athenians conquerors1 if their king was slain4 ,menceus7#gh7 is not overlooked by them1 who1 in compliance with the injunctions of an oracle1 freely shed his blood for his country4 ,iphigenia ordered herself to be conveyed to ,aulis1 to be sacrificed1 that her blood might be the cause of spilling that of her enemies4 ,,xlix4 ,from hence they proceed to instances of a fresher date4 ,harmodius and ,aristogiton are in everybody's mouth2 the memory of ,leonidas the ,lacedmonian1 and ,epaminondas the ,theban1 is as fresh as ever4 ,those philosophers were not acquainted with the many instances in our country--to give a list of whom would take up too much time--who1 we see1 considered death desirable as long as it was accompanied with honour4 ,but1 notwithstanding this is the correct view of the case1 we must use much persuasion1 speak as if we were endued with some higher authority1 in order to bring men to begin to wish to die1 or cease to be afraid of death4 ,for if that last day does not occasion an entire extinction1 but a change of abode only1 what can be more desirable8 and if it on the other hand destroys1 and absolutely puts an end to us1 what can be preferable to the having a deep sleep fall on us1 in the midst of the fatigues of life1 and being thus overtaken1 to sleep to eternity8 ,and1 should this really be the case1 then ,ennius's language is more consistent with wisdom than ,solon's2 for our ,ennius says-- ,let none bestow upon my passing bier ,one needless sigh or unavailing tear4 ,but the wise ,solon says-- ,let me not unlamented die1 but o'er my bier ,burst forth the tender sigh1 the friendly tear47#gi7 ,but let us1 if indeed it should be our fate to know the time which is appointed by the ,gods for us to die1 prepare ourselves for it1 with a cheerful and grateful mind1 thinking ourselves like men who are delivered from a jail1 and released from their fetters1 for the purpose of going back to our eternal habitation1 which may be more emphatically called our own2 or else to be divested of all sense and trouble4 ,if1 on the other hand1 we should have no notice given us of this decree1 yet let us cultivate such a disposition as to look on that formidable hour of death as happy for us1 though shocking to our friends2 and let us never imagine anything to be an evil1 which is an appointment of the immortal ,gods1 or of nature1 the common parent of all4 ,for it is not by hazard or without design that we have been born and situated as we have4 ,on the contrary1 beyond all doubt there is a certain power1 which consults the happiness of human nature2 and this would neither have produced nor provided for a being1 which after having gone through the labours of life was to fall into eternal misery by death4 ,let us rather infer1 that we have a retreat and haven prepared for us1 which ,i wish we could crowd all sail and arrive at2 but though the winds should not serve1 and we should be driven back1 yet we shall to a certainty arrive at that point eventually1 though somewhat later4 ,but how can that be miserable for one which all must of necessity undergo8 ,i have given you a peroration1 that you might not think ,i had overlooked or neglected anything4 ,a4 ,i am persuaded you have not2 and1 indeed1 that peroration has confirmed me4 ,m4 ,i am glad it has had that effect2 but it is now time to consult our health2 to-morrow1 and all the time we continue in this ,tusculan villa1 let us consider this subject2 and especially those portions of it which may ease our pain1 alleviate our fears1 and lessen our desires1 which is the greatest advantage we can reap from the whole of philosophy4 ,book ,,ii4 ,on ,bearing ,pain4 ,i4 ,neoptolemus1 in ,ennius1 indeed1 says1 that the study of philosophy was expedient for him2 but that it required limiting to a few subjects1 for that to give himself up entirely to it1 was what he did not approve of4 ,and for my part1 ,brutus1 ,i am perfectly persuaded that it is expedient for me to philosophize2 for what can ,i do better1 especially as ,i have no regular occupation8 but ,i am not for limiting my philosophy to a few subjects1 as he does2 for philosophy is a matter in which it is difficult to acquire a little knowledge without acquainting yourself with many1 or all its branches1 nor can you well take a few subjects without selecting them out of a great number2 nor can any one1 who has acquired the knowledge of a few points1 avoid endeavouring with the same eagerness to understand more4 ,but still1 in a busy life1 and in one mainly occupied with military matters1 such as that of ,neoptolemus was at that time1 even that limited degree of acquaintance with philosophy may be of great use1 and may yield fruit1 not perhaps so plentiful as a thorough knowledge of the whole of philosophy1 but yet such as in some degree may at times deliver us from the dominion of our desires1 our sorrows1 and our fears2 just as the effect of that discussion which we lately maintained in my ,tusculan villa seemed to be1 that a great contempt of death was engendered2 which contempt is of no small efficacy towards delivering the mind from fear2 for whoever dreads what cannot be avoided1 can by no means live with a quiet and tranquil mind4 ,but he who is under no fear of death1 not only because it is a thing absolutely inevitable1 but also because he is persuaded that death itself hath nothing terrible in it1 provides himself with a very great resource towards a happy life4 ,however1 ,i am not ignorant1 that many will argue strenuously against us2 and1 indeed1 that is a thing which can never be avoided1 except by abstaining from writing at all4 ,for if my ,orations1 which were addressed to the judgment and approbation of the people1 7for that is a popular art1 and the object of oratory is popular applause17 have been criticised by some people who are inclined to withhold their praise from every thing but what they are persuaded they can attain to themselves1 and who limit their ideas of good speaking by the hopes which they conceive of what they themselves may attain to1 and who declare1 when they are overwhelmed with a flow of words and sentences1 that they prefer the utmost poverty of thought and expression to that plenty and copiousness2 7from which arose the ,attic kind of oratory1 which they who professed it were strangers to1 though they have now been some time silenced1 and laughed out of the very courts of justice27 what may ,i not expect1 when at present ,i cannot have the least countenance from the people1 by whom ,i used to be upheld before8 ,for philosophy is satisfied with a few judges1 and of her own accord industriously avoids the multitude1 who are jealous of it1 and utterly displeased with it2 so that1 should any one undertake to cry down the whole of it1 he would have the people on his side2 while1 if he should attack that school which ,i particularly profess1 he would have great assistance from those of the other philosophers4 ,,ii4 ,but ,i have answered the detractors of philosophy in general1 in my ,hortensius4 ,and what ,i had to say in favour of the ,academics1 is1 ,i think1 explained with sufficient accuracy in my four books of the ,academic ,question4 ,but yet ,i am so far from desiring that no one should write against me1 that it is what ,i most earnestly wish2 for philosophy would never have been in such esteem in ,greece itself1 if it had not been for the strength which it acquired from the contentions and disputations of the most learned men2 and therefore ,i recommend all men who have abilities to follow my advice1 to snatch this art also from declining ,greece1 and to transport it to this city2 as our ancestors by their study and industry have imported all their other arts1 which were worth having4 ,thus the praise of oratory1 raised from a low degree1 is arrived at such perfection1 that it must now decline1 and1 as is the nature of all things1 verge to its dissolution in a very short time4 ,let philosophy then derive its birth in ,latin language from this time1 and let us lend it our assistance1 and bear patiently to be contradicted and refuted2 and although those men may dislike such treatment who are bound and devoted to certain predetermined opinions1 and are under such obligations to maintain them that they are forced1 for the sake of consistency1 to adhere to them even though they do not themselves wholly approve of them2 we1 on the other hand1 who pursue only probabilities1 and who cannot go beyond that which seems really likely1 can confute others without obstinacy1 and are prepared to be confuted ourselves without resentment4 ,besides1 if these studies are ever brought home to us1 we shall not want even ,greek libraries1 in which there is an infinite number of books1 by reason of the multitude of authors among them2--for it is a common practice with many to repeat the same things which have been written by others1 which serves no purpose1 but to stuff their shelves3 and this will be our case1 too1 if many apply themselves to this study4 ,,iii4 ,but let us excite those1 if possible1 who have had a liberal education1 and are masters of an elegant style1 and who philosophize with reason and method4 ,for there is a certain class of them who would willingly be called philosophers1 whose books in our language are said to be numerous1 and which ,i do not despise1 for indeed ,i never read them3 but still because the authors themselves declare that they write without any regularity1 or method1 or elegance1 or ornament1 ,i do not care to read what must be so void of entertainment4 ,there is no one in the least acquainted with literature1 who does not know the style and sentiments of that school2 wherefore1 since they are at no pains to express themselves well1 ,i do not see why they should be read by anybody except by one another3 let them read them1 if they please1 who are of the same opinions3 for in the same manner as all men read ,plato1 and the other ,socratics1 with those who sprung from them1 even those who do not agree with their opinions1 or are very indifferent about them2 but scarcely any one except their own disciples1 take ,epicurus1 or ,metrodorus1 into their hands2 so they alone read these ,latin books1 who think that the arguments contained in them are sound4 ,but1 in my opinion1 whatever is published1 should be recommended to the reading of every man of learning2 and though we may not succeed in this ourselves1 yet nevertheless we must be sensible that this ought to be the aim of every writer4 ,and on this account ,i have always been pleased with the custom of the ,peripatetics1 and ,academics1 of disputing on both sides of the question2 not solely from its being the only method of discovering what is probable on every subject1 but also because it affords the greatest scope for practising eloquence2 a method that ,aristotle first made use of1 and afterward all the ,aristotelians2 and in our own memory ,philo1 whom we have often heard1 appointed one time to treat of the precepts of the rhetoricians1 and another for philosophical discussion1 to which custom ,i was brought to conform by my friends at my ,tusculum2 and accordingly our leisure time was spent in this manner4 ,and therefore1 as yesterday before noon1 we applied ourselves to speaking2 and in the afternoon went down into the ,academy3 the discussions which were held there ,i have acquainted you with1 not in the manner of a narration1 but in almost the very same words which were employed in the debate4 ,,iv4 ,the discourse1 then1 was introduced in this manner1 whilst we were walking1 and it was commenced by some such an opening as this4 ,a4 ,it is not to be expressed how much ,i was delighted1 or rather edified1 by your discourse of yesterday4 ,for although ,i am conscious to myself that ,i have never been too fond of life1 yet at times1 when ,i have considered that there would be an end to this life1 and that ,i must some time or other part with all its good things1 a certain dread and uneasiness used to intrude itself on my thoughts2 but now1 believe me1 ,i am so freed from that kind of uneasiness1 that there is nothing that ,i think less worth any regard4 ,m4 ,i am not at all surprised at that1 for it is the effect of philosophy1 which is the medicine of our souls2 it banishes all groundless apprehensions1 frees us from desires1 and drives away fears3 but it has not the same influence over all men2 it is of very great influence when it falls in with a disposition well adapted to it4 ,for not only does ,fortune1 as the old proverb says1 assist the bold1 but reason does so in a still greater degree2 for it1 by certain precepts1 as it were1 strengthens even courage itself4 ,you were born naturally great and soaring1 and with a contempt for all things which pertain to man alone2 therefore a discourse against death took easy possession of a brave soul4 ,but do you imagine that these same arguments have any force with those very persons who have invented1 and canvassed1 and published them1 excepting indeed some very few particular persons8 ,for how few philosophers will you meet with1 whose life and manners are conformable to the dictates of reason6 who look on their profession1 not as a means of displaying their learning1 but as a rule for their own practice6 who follow their own precepts1 and comply with1 their own decrees6 ,you may see some of such levity1 and such vanity1 that it would have been better for them to have been ignorant2 some covetous of money1 some others eager for glory1 many slaves to their lusts2 so that their discourses and their actions are most strangely at variance2 than which nothing in my opinion can be more unbecoming3 for just as if one who professed to teach grammar1 should speak with impropriety2 or a master of music sing out of tune2 such conduct has the worse appearance in these men1 because they blunder in the very particular with which they profess that they are well acquainted3 so a philosopher1 who errs in the conduct of his life1 is the more infamous1 because he is erring in the very thing which he pretends to teach1 and whilst he lays down rules to regulate life by1 is irregular in his own life4 ,v4 ,a4 ,should this be the case1 is it not to be feared that you are dressing up philosophy in false colours8 for what stronger argument can there be that it is of little use1 than that some very profound philosophers live in a discreditable manner8 ,m4 ,that1 indeed1 is no argument at all1 for as all the fields which are cultivated are not fruitful1 7and this sentiment of ,accius is false1 and asserted without any foundation1 ,the ground you sow on1 is of small avail2 ,to yield a crop good seed can never fail37 it is not every mind which has been properly cultivated that produces fruit2--and to go on with the comparison1 as a field1 although it may be naturally fruitful cannot produce a crop1 without dressing1 so neither can the mind1 without education2 such is the weakness of either without the other4 ,whereas philosophy is the culture of the mind3 this it is which plucks up vices by the roots2 prepares the mind for the receiving of seeds1 commits them to it1 or1 as ,i may say1 sows them1 in the hope that1 when come to maturity1 they may produce a plentiful harvest4 ,let us proceed1 then1 as we begun2 say1 if you please1 what shall be the subject of our disputation4 ,a4 ,i look on pain to be the greatest of all evils4 ,m4 ,what1 even greater than infamy8 ,a4 ,i dare not indeed assert that1 and ,i blush to think ,i am so soon driven from my ground4 ,m4 ,you would have had greater reason for blushing had you persevered in it2 for what is so unbecoming--what can appear worse to you1 than disgrace1 wickedness1 immorality8 ,to avoid which1 what pain is there which we ought not 7,i will not say to avoid shirking1 but even7 of our own accord to encounter1 and undergo1 and even to court8 ,a4 ,i am entirely of that opinion2 but notwithstanding that pain is not the greatest evil1 yet surely it is an evil4 ,m4 ,do you perceive1 then1 how much of the terror of pain you have given up on a small hint8 ,a4 ,i see that plainly2 but ,i should be glad to give up more of it4 ,m4 ,i will endeavour to make you do so1 but it is a great undertaking1 and ,i must have a disposition on your part1 which is not inclined to offer any obstacles4 ,a4 ,you shall have such3 for as ,i behaved yesterday1 so now ,i will follow reason wherever she leads4 ,,vi4 ,m4 ,first1 then1 ,i will speak of the weakness of many philosophers1 and those too of various sects2 the head of whom1 both in authority and antiquity1 was ,aristippus1 the pupil of ,socrates1 who hesitated not to say1 that pain was the greatest of all evils4 ,and after him ,epicurus easily gave into this effeminate and enervated doctrine4 ,after him ,hieronymus1 the ,rhodian1 said1 that to be without pain was the chief good1 so great an evil did pain appear to him to be4 ,the rest1 with the exceptions of ,zeno1 ,aristo1 ,pyrrho1 were pretty much of the same opinion that you were of just now1 that it was indeed an evil1 but that there were many worse4 ,when then nature herself and a certain generous feeling of virtue at once prevents you from persisting in the assertion that pain is the chief evil1 and when you were driven from such an opinion when disgrace was contrasted with pain1 shall philosophy1 the preceptress of life1 cling to this idea for so many ages8 ,what duty of life1 what praise1 what reputation would be of such consequence that a man should be desirous of gaining it at the expense of submitting to bodily pain1 when he has persuaded himself that pain is the greatest evil8 ,on the other side1 what disgrace1 what ignominy1 would he not submit to1 that he might avoid pain1 when persuaded that it was the greatest of evils8 ,besides1 what person1 if it be only true that pain is the greatest of evils1 is not miserable1 not only when he actually feels pain1 but also whenever he is aware that it may befal him8 ,and who is there whom pain may not befal8 so that it is clear that there is absolutely no one who can possibly be happy4 ,metrodorus1 indeed1 thinks that man perfectly happy1 whose body is free from all disorders1 and who has an assurance that it will always continue so2 but who is there who can be assured of that8 ,,vii4 ,but ,epicurus1 indeed1 says such things that it should seem that his design was only to make people laugh2 for he affirms somewhere1 that if a wise man were to be burned1 or put to the torture1--you expect1 perhaps1 that he is going to say he would bear it1 he would support himself under it with resolution6 he would not yield to it1 and that1 by ,hercules6 would he very commendable1 and worthy of that very ,hercules whom ,i have just invoked3 but even this will not satisfy ,epicurus1 that robust and hardy man6 ,no2 his wise man1 even if he were in ,phalaris's bull1 would say1 ,how sweet it is6 how little do ,i regard it6 ,what sweet8 is it not sufficient1 if it is not disagreeable8 ,but those very men who deny pain to be an evil1 are not in the habit of saying that it is agreeable to any one to be tormented2 they rather say1 that it is cruel1 or hard to bear1 afflicting1 unnatural1 but still not an evil3 while this man who says that it is the only evil1 and the very worst of all evils1 yet thinks that a wise man would pronounce it sweet4 ,i do not require of you to speak of pain in the same words which ,epicurus uses--a man1 as you know1 devoted to pleasure3 he may make no difference1 if he pleases1 between ,phalaris's bull1 and his own bed3 but ,i cannot allow the wise man to be so indifferent about pain4 ,if he bears it with courage1 it is sufficient2 that he should rejoice in it1 ,i do not expect2 for pain is1 beyond all question1 sharp1 bitter1 against nature1 hard to submit to1 and to bear4 ,observe ,philoctetes3 ,we may allow him to lament1 for he saw ,hercules himself groaning loudly through extremity of pain on mount ta3 the arrows with which ,hercules presented him1 were then no consolation to him1 when ,the viper's bite1 impregnating his veins ,with poison1 rack'd him with its bitter pains4 ,and therefore he cries out1 desiring help1 and wishing to die1 ,oh6 that some friendly hand its aid would lend1 ,my body from this rock's vast height to send ,into the briny deep6 ,i'm all on fire1 ,and by this fatal wound must soon expire4 ,it is hard to say that the man who was obliged to cry out in this manner1 was not oppressed with evil1 and great evil too4 ,,viii4 ,but let us observe ,hercules himself1 who was subdued by pain at the very time when he was on the point of attaining immortality by death4 ,what words does ,sophocles here put in his mouth1 in his ,trachini8 who1 when ,deianira had put upon him a tunic dyed in the centaur's blood1 and it stuck to his entrails1 says1 ,what tortures ,i endure no words can tell1 ,far greater these1 than those which erst befel ,from the dire terror of thy consort1 ,jove2 ,e'en stern ,eurystheus' dire command above2 ,this of thy daughter1 neus1 is the fruit1 ,beguiling me with her envenom'd suit1 ,whose close embrace doth on my entrails prey1 ,consuming life2 my lungs forbid to play2 ,the blood forsakes my veins1 my manly heart ,forgets to beat2 enervated1 each part ,neglects its office1 whilst my fatal doom ,proceeds ignobly from the weaver's loom4 ,the hand of foe ne'er hurt me1 nor the fierce ,giant issuing from his parent earth4 ,ne'er could the ,centaur such a blow enforce1 ,no barbarous foe1 nor all the ,grecian force2 ,this arm no savage people could withstand1 ,whose realms ,i traversed to reform the land4 ,thus1 though ,i ever bore a manly heart1 ,i fall a victim to a woman's art4 ,,ix4 ,assist1 my son1 if thou that name dost hear1 ,my groans preferring to thy mother's tear2 ,convey her here1 if1 in thy pious heart1 ,thy mother shares not an unequal part3 ,proceed1 be bold1 thy father's fate bemoan1 ,nations will join1 you will not weep alone4 ,o what a sight is this same briny source1 ,unknown before1 through all my labours' course6 ,that virtue1 which could brave each toil but late1 ,with woman's weakness now bewails its fate4 ,approach1 my son2 behold thy father laid1 ,a wither'd carcase that implores thy aid2 ,let all behold2 and thou1 imperious ,jove1 ,on me direct thy lightning from above3 ,now all its force the poison doth assume1 ,and my burnt entrails with its flame consume4 ,crest-fallen1 unembraced ,i now let fall ,listless1 those hands that lately conquer'd all2 ,when the ,neman lion own'd their force1 ,and he indignant fell a breathless corse3 ,the serpent slew1 of the ,lernean lake1 ,as did the ,hydra of its force partake3 ,by this1 too1 fell the ,erymanthian boar3 ,e'en ,cerberus did his weak strength deplore4 ,this sinewy arm did overcome with ease ,that dragon1 guardian of the golden fleece4 ,my many conquests let some others trace2 ,it's mine to say1 ,i never knew disgrace47#hj7 ,can we1 then1 despise pain1 when we see ,hercules himself giving vent to his expressions of agony with such impatience8 ,,ix4 ,let us see what schylus says1 who was not only a poet1 but a ,pythagorean philosopher1 also1 for that is the account which you have received of him2 how doth he make ,prometheus bear the pain he suffered for the ,lemnian theft1 when he clandestinely stole away the celestial fire1 and bestowed it on men1 and was severely punished by ,jupiter for the theft4 ,fastened to mount ,caucasus1 he speaks thus3 ,thou heav'n-born race of ,titans here fast bound1 ,behold thy brother6 ,as the sailors sound ,with care the bottom1 and their ships confine ,to some safe shore1 with anchor and with line3 ,so1 by ,jove's dread decree the god of fire ,confines me here the victim of ,jove's ire4 ,with baneful art his dire machine he shapes2 ,from such a god what mortal e'er escapes8 ,when each third day shall triumph o'er the night1 ,then doth the vulture1 with his talons light1 ,seize on my entrails2 which1 in rav'nous guise1 ,he preys on6 then with wing extended flies ,aloft1 and brushes with his plumes the gore3 ,but when dire ,jove my liver doth restore1 ,back he returns impetuous to his prey1 ,clapping his wings1 he cuts th' ethereal way4 ,thus do ,i nourish with my blood this pest1 ,confined my arms1 unable to contest2 ,entreating only1 that in pity ,jove ,would take my life1 and this cursed plague remove4 ,but endless ages past1 unheard my moan1 ,sooner shall drops dissolve this very stone47#ha7 ,and therefore it scarcely seems possible to avoid calling a man who is suffering1 miserable2 and if he is miserable1 then pain is an evil4 ,,xi4 ,a4 ,hitherto you are on my side2 ,i will see to that by-and-by2 and1 in the meanwhile1 whence are those verses8 ,i do not remember them4 ,m4 ,i will inform you1 for you are in the right to ask4 ,do you see that ,i have much leisure8 ,a4 ,what then8 ,m4 ,i imagine1 when you were at ,athens1 you attended frequently at the schools of the philosophers4 ,a4 ,yes1 and with great pleasure4 ,m4 ,you observed then1 that1 though none of them at that time were very eloquent1 yet they used to mix verses with their harangues4 ,a4 ,yes1 and particularly ,dionysius1 the ,stoic1 used to employ a great many4 ,m4 ,you say right2 but they were quoted without any appropriateness or elegance4 ,but our friend ,philo used to give a few select lines and well adapted2 and in imitation of him1 ever since ,i took a fancy to this kind of elderly declamation1 ,i have been very fond of quoting our poets1 and where ,i cannot be supplied from them1 ,i translate from the ,greek1 that the ,latin language may not want any kind of ornament in this kind of disputation4 ,but do you not see how much harm is done by poets8 ,they introduce the bravest men lamenting over their misfortunes3 they soften our minds1 and they are besides so entertaining1 that we do not only read them1 but get them by heart4 ,thus the influence of the poets is added to our want of discipline at home1 and our tender and delicate manner of living1 so that between them they have deprived virtue of all its vigour and energy4 ,plato therefore was right in banishing them from his commonwealth1 where he required the best morals1 and the best form of government4 ,but we1 who have all our learning from ,greece1 read and learn these works of theirs from our childhood2 and look on this as a liberal and learned education4 ,,xii4 ,but why are we angry with the poets8 we may find some philosophers1 those masters of virtue1 who have taught that pain was the greatest of evils4 ,but you1 young man1 when you said but just now that it appeared so to you1 upon being asked by me what appeared greater than infamy1 gave up that opinion at a word4 ,suppose ,i ask ,epicurus the same question4 ,he will answer1 that a trifling degree of pain is a greater evil than the greatest infamy2 for that there is no evil in infamy itself1 unless attended with pain4 ,what pain then attends ,epicurus1 when he says this very thing1 that pain is the greatest evil2 and yet nothing can be a greater disgrace to a philosopher than to talk thus4 ,therefore1 you allowed enough when you admitted that infamy appeared to you to be a greater evil than pain4 ,and if you abide by this admission1 you will see how far pain should be resisted3 and that our inquiry should be not so much whether pain be an evil2 as how the mind may be fortified for resisting it4 ,the ,stoics infer from some petty quibbling arguments1 that it is no evil1 as if the dispute was about a word1 and not about the thing itself4 ,why do you impose upon me1 ,zeno8 for when you deny what appears very dreadful to me to be an evil2 ,i am deceived1 and am at a loss to know why that which appears to me to be a most miserable thing1 should be no evil4 ,the answer is1 that nothing is an evil but what is base and vicious4 ,you return to your trifling1 for you do not remove what made me uneasy4 ,i know that pain is not vice1--you need not inform me of that3 but show me1 that it makes no difference to me whether ,i am in pain or not4 ,it has never anything to do1 say you1 with a happy life1 for that depends upon virtue alone2 but yet pain is to be avoided4 ,if ,i ask1 why8 it is disagreeable1 against nature1 hard to bear1 woful and afflicting4 ,,xiii4 ,here are many words to express that by so many different forms1 which we call by the single word1 evil4 ,you are defining pain1 instead of removing it1 when you say1 it is disagreeable1 unnatural1 scarcely possible to be endured or borne3 nor are you wrong in saying so2 but the man who vaunts himself in such a manner should not give way in his conduct1 if it be true that nothing is good but what is honest1 and nothing evil but what is disgraceful4 ,this would be wishing1 not proving4--,this argument is a better one1 and has more truth in it1 that all things which nature abhors are to be looked upon as evil2 that those which she approves of1 are to be considered as good3 for when this is admitted1 and the dispute about words removed1 that which they with reason embrace1 and which we call honest1 right1 becoming1 and sometimes include under the general name of virtue1 appears so far superior to everything else1 that all other things which are looked upon as the gifts of fortune1 or the good things of the body1 seem trifling and insignificant3 and no evil whatever1 nor all the collective body of evils together1 appears to be compared to the evil of infamy4 ,wherefore1 if1 as you granted in the beginning1 infamy is worse than pain1 pain is certainly nothing2 for while it appears to you base and unmanly to groan1 cry out1 lament1 or faint under pain--while you cherish notions of probity1 dignity1 honour1 and keeping your eye on them1 refrain yourself--pain will certainly yield to virtue1 and by the influence of imagination1 will lose its whole force4--,for you must either admit that there is no such thing as virtue1 or you must despise every kind of pain4 ,will you allow of such a virtue as prudence1 without which no virtue whatever can even be conceived8 ,what then8 will that suffer you to labour and take pains to no purpose8 ,will temperance permit you to do anything to excess8 ,will it be possible for justice to be maintained by one who through the force of pain discovers secrets1 or betrays his confederates1 or deserts many duties of life8 ,will you act in a manner consistently with courage1 and its attendants1 greatness of soul1 resolution1 patience1 and contempt for all worldly things8 ,can you hear yourself called a great man1 when you lie groveling1 dejected1 and deploring your condition1 with a lamentable voice2 no one would call you even a man1 while in such a condition3 you must therefore either abandon all pretensions to courage1 or else pain must be put out of the question4 ,,xiv4 ,you know very well1 that even though part of your ,corinthian furniture were gone1 the remainder might be safe without that2 but if you lose one virtue 7though virtue in reality cannot be lost71 still if1 ,i say1 you should acknowledge that you were deficient in one1 you would be stripped of all4 ,can you1 then1 call yourself a brave man1 of a great soul1 endued with patience and steadiness above the frowns of fortune8 or ,philoctetes8 for ,i choose to instance him1 rather than yourself1 for he certainly was not a brave man1 who lay in his bed1 which was watered with his tears1 ,whose groans1 bewailings1 and whose bitter cries1 ,with grief incessant rent the very skies4 ,i do not deny pain to be pain2 for were that the case1 in what would courage consist8 but ,i say it should be assuaged by patience1 if there be such a thing as patience3 if there be no such thing1 why do we speak so in praise of philosophy8 or why do we glory in its name8 ,does pain annoy us8 let it sting us to the heart3 if you are without defensive armour1 bare your throat to it2 but if you are secured by ,vulcanian armour1 that is to say by resolution1 resist it2 should you fail to do so1 that guardian of your honour1 your courage1 will forsake and leave you4--,by the laws of ,lycurgus1 and by those which were given to the ,cretans by ,jupiter1 or which ,minos established under the direction of ,jupiter1 as the poets say1 the youths of the state are trained by the practice of hunting1 running1 enduring hunger and thirst1 cold and heat4 ,the boys at ,sparta are scourged so at the altars1 that blood follows the lash in abundance1 nay1 sometimes1 as ,i used to hear when ,i was there1 they are whipped even to death2 and yet not one of them was ever heard to cry out1 or so much as groan4 ,what then8 shall men not be able to bear what boys do8 and shall custom have such great force1 and reason none at all8 ,,xv4 ,there is some difference betwixt labour and pain2 they border upon one another1 but still there is a certain difference between them4 ,labour is a certain exercise of the mind or body1 in some employment or undertaking of serious trouble and importance2 but pain is a sharp motion in the body1 disagreeable to our senses4--,both these feelings1 the ,greeks1 whose language is more copious than ours1 express by the common name of 2 therefore they call industrious men1 pains-taking1 or rather fond of labour2 we1 more conveniently1 call them laborious2 for labouring is one thing and enduring pain another4 ,you see1 ,o ,greece1 your barrenness of words1 sometimes1 though you think you are always so rich in them4 ,i say1 then1 that there is a difference betwixt labouring and being in pain4 ,when ,caius ,marius had an operation performed for a swelling in his thigh1 he felt pain2 when he headed his troops in a very hot season1 he laboured4 ,yet these two feelings bear some resemblance to one another2 for the accustoming ourselves to labour makes the endurance of pain more easy to us4--,and it was because they were influenced by this reason1 that the founders of the ,grecian form of government provided that the bodies of their youth should be strengthened by labour1 which custom the ,spartans transferred even to their women1 who in other cities lived more delicately1 keeping within the walls of their houses1 but it was otherwise with the ,spartans4 ,the ,spartan women1 with a manly air1 ,fatigues and dangers with their husbands share3 ,they in fantastic sports have no delight1 ,partners with them in exercise and fight4 ,and in these laborious exercises pain interferes sometimes2 they are thrown down1 receive blows1 have bad falls1 and are bruised1 and the labour itself produces a sort of callousness to pain4 ,,xvi4 ,as to military service1 7,i speak of our own1 not of that of the ,spartans1 for they used to march slowly to the sound of the flute1 and scarce a word of command was given without an anapst27 you may see in the first place whence the very name of an army 7,exercitus77#hb7 is derived2 and secondly1 how great the labour is of an army on its march2 then consider that they carry more than a fortnight's provision1 and whatever else they may want3 that they carry the burthen of the stakes17#hc7 for as to shield1 sword1 or helmet1 they look on them as no more encumbrance than their own limbs1 for they say that arms are the limbs of a soldier1 and those indeed they carry so commodiously1 that when there is occasion they throw down their burdens1 and use their arms as readily as their limbs4 ,why need ,i mention the exercises of the legions8 and how great the labour is which is undergone in the running1 encounters1 shouts6 ,hence it is1 that their minds are worked up to make so light of wounds in action4 ,take a soldier of equal bravery1 but undisciplined1 and he will seem a woman4 ,why is it that there is this sensible difference betwixt a raw recruit and a veteran soldier8 ,the age of the young soldiers is for the most part in their favour1 but it is practice only that enables men to bear labour1 and despise wounds4 ,moreover1 we often see1 when the wounded are carried off the field1 the raw untried soldier1 though but slightly wounded1 cries out most shamefully2 but the more brave experienced veteran only inquires for some one to dress his wounds1 and says1 ,patroclus1 to thy aid ,i must appeal ,ere worse ensue1 my bleeding wounds to heal2 ,the sons of sculapius are employ'd1 ,no room for me1 so many are annoy'd4 ,,xvii4 ,this is certainly ,eurypylus himself4 ,what an experienced man6--,whilst his friend is continually enlarging on his misfortunes1 you may observe that he is so far from weeping1 that he even assigns a reason why he should bear his wounds with patience4 ,who at his enemy a stroke directs1 ,his sword to light upon himself expects4 ,patroclus1 ,i suppose1 will lead him off to his chamber to bind up his wounds1 at least if he be a man3 but not a word of that2 he only inquires how the battle went4 ,say how the ,argives bear themselves in fight8-- ,and yet no words can show the truth as well as those1 your deeds and visible sufferings4 ,peace6 and my wounds bind up2 but though ,eurypylus could bear these afflictions1 sopus could not1 ,where ,hector's fortune press'd our yielding troops2 and he explains the rest1 though in pain2 so unbounded is military glory in a brave man6 ,shall1 then1 a veteran soldier be able to behave in this manner1 and shall a wise and learned man not be able8 ,surely the latter might be able to bear pain better1 and in no small degree either3 at present1 how ever1 ,i am confining myself to what is engendered practice and discipline4 ,i am not yet come to speak of reason and philosophy4 ,you may often hear of old women living without victuals for three or four days3 but take away a wrestler's provisions but for one day1 and he will implore the aid of ,jupiter ,olympius1 the very ,god for whom he exercises himself3 he will cry out that he cannot endure it4 ,great is the force of custom6 ,sportsmen will continue whole nights in the snow3 they will bear being almost frozen upon the mountains4 ,from practice boxers will not so much as utter a groan1 however bruised by the cestus4 ,but what do you think of those to whom a victory in the ,olympic games seemed almost on a par with the ancient consulships of the ,roman people8 ,what wounds will the gladiators bear1 who are either barbarians1 or the very dregs of mankind6 ,how do they1 who are trained to it1 prefer being wounded to basely avoiding it6 ,how often do they prove that they consider nothing but the giving satisfaction to their masters or to the people6 for when covered with wounds1 they send to their masters to learn their pleasure2 if it is their will1 they are ready to lie down and die4 ,what gladiator1 of even moderate reputation1 ever gave a sigh8 who ever turned pale8 who ever disgraced himself either in the actual combat1 or even when about to die8 who that had been defeated ever drew in his neck to avoid the stroke of death8 ,so great is the force of practice1 deliberation1 and custom6 ,shall this1 then1 be done by ,a ,samnite rascal1 worthy of his trade2 and shall a man born to glory have so soft a part in his soul as not to be able to fortify it by reason and reflection8 ,the sight of the gladiators' combats is by some looked on as cruel and inhuman1 and ,i do not know1 as it is at present managed1 but it may be so2 but when the guilty fought1 we might receive by our ears perhaps 7but certainly by our eyes we could not7 better training to harden us against pain and death4 ,,xviii4 ,i have now said enough about the effects of exercise1 custom1 and careful meditation2 proceed we now to consider the force of reason1 unless you have something to reply to what has been said4 ,a4 ,that ,i should interrupt you6 by no means2 for your discourse has brought me over to your opinion4 ,let the ,stoics1 then1 think it their business to determine whether pain be an evil or not1 while they endeavour to show by some strained and trifling conclusions1 which are nothing to the purpose1 that pain is no evil4 ,my opinion is1 that whatever it is1 it is not so great as it appears2 and ,i say1 that men are influenced to a great extent by some false representations and appearance of it1 and that all which is really felt is capable of being endured4 ,where shall ,i begin1 then8 shall ,i superficially go over what ,i said before1 that my discourse may have a greater scope8 ,this1 then1 is agreed upon by all1 and not only by learned men1 but also by the unlearned1 that it becomes the brave and magnanimous1 those that have patience and a spirit above this world1 not to give way to pain4 ,nor has there ever been any one who did not commend a man who bore it in this manner4 ,that1 then1 which is expected from a brave man1 and is commended when it is seen1 it must surely be base in any one to be afraid of at its approach1 or not to bear when it comes4 ,but ,i would have you consider whether1 as all the right affections of the soul are classed under the name of virtues1 the truth is that this is not properly the name of them all1 but that they all have their name from that leading virtue which is superior to all the rest3 for the name1 8virtue10 comes from vir1 a man1 and courage is the peculiar distinction of a man3 and this virtue has two principal duties1 to despise death and pain4 ,we must1 then1 exert these1 if we would be men of virtue1 or rather1 if we would be men1 because virtue 7virtus7 takes its very name from vir1 man4 ,,xix4 ,you may inquire1 perhaps1 how8 and such an inquiry is not amiss1 for philosophy is ready with her assistance4 ,epicurus offers himself to you1 a man far from a bad1 or1 ,i should rather say1 a very good man2 he advises no more than he knows4 8,despise pain10 says he4 ,who is it saith this8 ,is it the same man who calls pain the greatest of all evils8 ,it is not1 indeed1 very consistent in him4 ,let us hear what he says3--8,if the pain is excessive it must needs be short40 ,i must have that over again1 for ,i do not apprehend what you mean exactly by 8excessive0 or 8short40 ,that is excessive1 than which nothing can be greater2 that is short1 than which nothing is shorter4 ,i do not regard the greatness of any pain from which1 by reason of the shortness of its continuance1 ,i shall be delivered almost before it reaches me4 ,but1 if the pain be as great as that of ,philoctetes1 it will appear great indeed to me1 but yet not the greatest that ,i am capable of bearing2 for the pain is confined to my foot3 but my eye may pain me1 ,i may have a pain in the head1 or sides1 or lungs1 or in every part of me4 ,it is far1 then1 from being excessive2 therefore1 says he1 pain of a long continuance has more pleasure in it than uneasiness4 ,now ,i cannot bring myself to say so great a man talks nonsense2 but ,i imagine he is laughing at us4 ,my opinion is that the greatest pain 7,i say the greatest1 though it may be ten atoms less than another7 is not therefore short1 because acute2 ,i could name to you a great many good men who have been tormented many years with the acutest pains of the gout4 ,but this cautious man doth not determine the measure of that greatness or of duration1 so as to enable us to know what he calls excessive1 with regard to pain1 or short1 with respect to its continuance4 ,let us pass him by1 then1 as one who says just nothing at all2 and let us force him to acknowledge1 notwithstanding he might behave himself somewhat boldly under his cholic and his strangury1 that no remedy against pain can be had from him who looks on pain as the greatest of all evils4 ,we must apply1 then1 for relief elsewhere1 and nowhere better 7if we seek for what is most consistent with itself7 than to those who place the chief good in honesty1 and the greatest evil in infamy4 ,you dare not so much as groan1 or discover the least uneasiness in their company1 for virtue itself speaks to you through them4 ,,xx4 ,will you1 when you may observe children at ,lacedmon1 and young men at ,olympia1 and barbarians in the amphitheatre1 receive the severest wounds1 and bear them without once opening their mouths1--will you1 ,i say1 if any pain should by chance attack you1 cry out like a woman8 will you not rather bear it with resolution and constancy8 and not cry1 ,it is intolerable1 nature cannot bear it4 ,i hear what you say1--,boys bear this because they are led thereto by glory3 some bear it through shame1 many through fear1 and yet are we afraid that nature cannot bear what is borne by many1 and in such different circumstances8 ,nature not only bears it1 but challenges it1 for there is nothing with her preferable1 nothing which she desires more1 than credit1 and reputation1 and praise1 and honour1 and glory4 ,i choose here to describe this one thing under many names1 and ,i have used many that you may have the clearer idea of it2 for what ,i mean to say is1 that whatever is desirable of itself1 proceeding from virtue1 or placed in virtue1 and commendable on its own account1 7which ,i would rather agree to call the only good than deny it to be the chief good17 is what men should prefer above all things4 ,and as we declare this to be the case with respect to honesty1 so we speak in the contrary manner of infamy2 nothing is so odious1 so detestable1 nothing so unworthy of a man3 and if you are thoroughly convinced of this 7for1 at the beginning of this discourse1 you allowed that there appeared to you more evil in infamy than in pain71 it follows that you ought to have the command over yourself1 though ,i scarcely know how this expression may seem an accurate one1 which appears to represent man as made up of two natures1 so that one should be in command and the other be subject to it4 ,,xxi4 ,yet this division does not proceed from ignorance2 for the soul admits of a two-fold division1 one of which partakes of reason1 the other is without it2 when1 therefore1 we are ordered to give a law to ourselves1 the meaning is1 that reason should restrain our rashness4 ,there is in the soul of every man1 something naturally soft1 low1 enervated in a manner1 and languid4 ,were there nothing besides this1 men would be the greatest of monsters2 but there is present to every man reason1 which presides over1 and gives laws to all2 which1 by improving itself1 and making continual advances1 becomes perfect virtue4 ,it behoves a man1 then1 to take care that reason shall have the command over that part which is bound to practise obedience4 ,in what manner8 you will say4 ,why1 as a master has over his slave1 a general over his army1 a father over his son4 ,if that part of the soul which ,i have called soft behaves disgracefully1 if it gives itself up to lamentations and womanish tears1 then let it be restrained1 and committed to the care of friends and relations1 for we often see those persons brought to order by shame1 whom no reasons can influence4 ,therefore1 we should confine those feelings1 like our servants1 in safe custody1 and almost with chains4 ,but those who have more resolution1 and yet are not utterly immovable1 we should encourage with our exhortations1 as we would good soldiers1 to recollect themselves1 and maintain their honour4 ,that wisest man of all ,greece1 in the ,niptr1 does not lament too much over his wounds1 or rather1 he is moderate in his grief3-- ,move slow1 my friends1 your hasty speed refrain1 ,lest by your motion you increase my pain4 ,pacuvius is better in this than ,sophocles1 for in the one ,ulysses bemoans his wounds too vehemently2 for the very people who carried him after he was wounded1 though his grief was moderate1 yet1 considering the dignity of the man1 did not scruple to say1 ,and thou1 ,ulysses1 long to war inured1 ,thy wounds1 though great1 too feebly hast endured4 ,the wise poet understood that custom was no contemptible instructor how to bear pain4 ,but the same hero complains with more decency1 though in great pain1-- ,assist1 support me1 never leave me so2 ,unbind my wounds1 oh6 execrable woe6 ,he begins to give way1 but instantly checks himself3-- ,away1 begone1 but cover first the sore2 ,for your rude hands but make my pains the more4 ,do you observe how he constrains himself2 not that his bodily pains were less1 but because he checks the anguish of his mind8 ,therefore1 in the conclusion of the ,niptr1 he blames others1 even when he himself is dying3-- ,complaints of fortune may become the man1 ,none but a woman will thus weeping stand4 ,and so that soft place in his soul obeys his reason1 just as an abashed soldier does his stern commander4 ,,xxii4 ,the man1 then1 in whom absolute wisdom exists 7such a man1 indeed1 we have never as yet seen1 but the philosophers have described in their writings what sort of man he will be1 if he should exist72 such a man1 or at least that perfect and absolute reason which exists in him1 will have the same authority over the inferior part as a good parent has over his dutiful children1 he will bring it to obey his nod1 without any trouble or difficulty4 ,he will rouse himself1 prepare and arm himself to oppose pain as he would an enemy4 ,if you inquire what arms he will provide himself with1 they will be contention1 encouragement1 discourse with himself2 he will say thus to himself1 ,take care that you are guilty of nothing base1 languid1 or unmanly4 ,he will turn over in his mind all the different kinds of honour4 ,zeno of ,elea will occur to him1 who suffered everything rather than betray his confederates in the design of putting an end to the tyranny4 ,he will reflect on ,anaxarchus1 the pupil of ,democritus1 who having fallen into the hands of ,nicocreon king of ,cyprus1 without the least entreaty for mercy1 or refusal1 submitted to every kind of torture4 ,calanus the ,indian will occur to him1 an ignorant man and a barbarian1 born at the foot of ,mount ,caucasus1 who committed himself to the flames by his own free1 voluntary act4 ,but we1 if we have the tooth-ache1 or a pain in the foot1 or if the body be any ways affected1 cannot bear it4 ,for our sentiments of pain1 as well as pleasure1 are so trifling and effeminate1 we are so enervated and relaxed by luxuries1 that we cannot bear the sting of a bee without crying out4 ,but ,caius ,marius1 a plain country-man1 but of a manly soul1 when he had an operation performed on him1 as ,i mentioned above1 at first refused to be tied down2 and he is the first instance of any one's having had an operation performed on him without being tied down4 ,why1 then1 did others bear it afterwards8 ,why1 from the force of example4 ,you see1 then1 that pain exists more in opinion than in nature1 and yet the same ,marius gave a proof that there is something very sharp in pain1 for he would not submit to have the other thigh cut4 ,so that he bore his pain with resolution as a man2 but1 like a reasonable person1 he was not willing to undergo any greater pain without some necessary reason4 ,the whole1 then1 consists in this1 that you should have command over yourself4 ,i have already told you what kind of command this is2 and by considering what is most consistent with patience1 fortitude1 and greatness of soul1 a man not only restrains himself1 but somehow or other mitigates even pain itself4 ,,xxiii4 ,even as in a battle1 the dastardly and timorous soldier throws away his shield on the first appearance of an enemy1 and runs as fast as he can1 and on that account loses his life sometimes1 though he has never received even one wound1 when he who stands his ground has nothing of the sort happen to him2 so1 they who cannot bear the appearances of pain1 throw themselves away1 and give themselves up to affliction and dismay2 but they that oppose it1 often come off more than a match for it4 ,for the body has a certain resemblance to the soul3 as burdens are more easily borne the more the body is exerted1 while they crush us if we give way2 so the soul by exerting itself resists the whole weight that would oppress it2 but if it yields1 it is so pressed1 that it cannot support itself4 ,and if we consider things truly1 the soul should exert itself in every pursuit1 for that is the only security for its doing its duty4 ,but this should be principally regarded in pain1 that we must not do anything timidly1 or dastardly1 or basely1 or slavishly1 or effeminately1 and above all things we must dismiss and avoid that ,philoctetean sort of outcry4 ,a man is allowed sometimes to groan1 but yet seldom2 but it is not permissible even in a woman to howl2 for such a noise as this is forbidden1 by the twelve tables1 to be used even at funerals4 ,nor does a wise or brave man ever groan1 unless when he exerts himself to give his resolution greater force1 as they who run in the stadium make as much noise as they can4 ,the wrestlers1 too1 do the same when they are training2 and the boxers1 when they aim a blow with the cestus at their adversary1 give a groan1 not because they are in pain1 or from a sinking of their spirits1 but because their whole body is put upon the stretch by the throwing out of these groans1 and the blow comes the stronger4 ,,xxiv4 ,what6 they who would speak louder than ordinary1 are they satisfied with working their jaws1 sides1 or tongue1 or stretching the common organs of speech and utterance8 the whole body and every muscle is at full stretch1 if ,i may be allowed the expression1 every nerve is exerted to assist their voice4 ,i have actually seen the knees of ,marcus ,antonius touch the ground when he was speaking with vehemence for himself1 with relation to the ,varian law4 ,for as the engines you throw stones or darts with1 throw them out with the greater force the more they are strained and drawn back2 so it is in speaking1 running1 or boxing1 the more people strain themselves1 the greater their force4 ,since1 therefore1 this exertion has so much influence--if in a moment of pain groans help to strengthen the mind1 let us use them2 but if they be groans of lamentation1 if they be the expression of weakness or abjectness1 or unmanly weeping1 then ,i should scarcely call him a man who yielded to them4 ,for even supposing that such groaning could give any ease1 it still should be considered1 whether it were consistent with a brave and resolute man4 ,but1 if it does not ease our pain1 why should we debase ourselves to no purpose8 for what is more unbecoming in a man than to cry like a woman8 ,but this precept which is laid down with respect to pain is not confined to it2 we should apply this exertion of the soul to everything else4 ,is anger inflamed8 is lust excited8 we must have recourse to the same citadel1 and apply to the same arms2 but since it is pain which we are at present discussing1 we will let the other subjects alone4 ,to bear pain1 then1 sedately and calmly1 it is of great use to consider with all our soul1 as the saying is1 how noble it is to do so1 for we are naturally desirous 7as ,i said before1 but it cannot be too often repeated7 and very much inclined to what is honourable1 of which1 if we discover but the least glimpse1 there is nothing which we are not prepared to undergo and suffer to attain it4 ,from this impulse of our minds1 this desire for genuine glory and honourable conduct1 it is that such dangers are supported in war1 and that brave men are not sensible of their wounds in action1 or if they are sensible of them1 prefer death to the departing but the least step from their honour4 ,the ,decii saw the shining swords of their enemies when they were rushing into the battle4 ,but the honourable character and the glory of the death which they were seeking1 made all fear of death of little weight4 ,do you imagine that ,epaminondas groaned when he perceived that his life was flowing out with his blood8 ,no2 for he left his country triumphing over the ,lacedmonians1 whereas he had found it in subjection to them4 ,these are the comforts1 these are the things that assuage the greatest pain4 ,,xxv4 ,you may ask1 how the case is in peace8 what is to be done at home8 how we are to behave in bed8 ,you bring me back to the philosophers1 who seldom go to war4 ,among these1 ,dionysius of ,heraclea1 a man certainly of no resolution1 having learned fortitude of ,zeno1 quitted it on being in pain2 for1 being tormented with a pain in his kidneys1 in bewailing himself he cried out1 that those things were false which he had formerly conceived of pain4 ,and when his fellow-disciple1 ,cleanthes1 asked him why he had changed his opinion1 he answered1 8,that the case of any man who had applied so much time to philosophy1 and yet was unable to bear pain1 might be a sufficient proof that pain is an evil4 ,that he himself had spent many years at philosophy1 and yet could not bear pain4 ,it followed1 therefore1 that pain was an evil40 ,it is reported that ,cleanthes on that struck his foot on the ground1 and repeated a verse out of the ,epigon-- ,amphiaraus1 hear'st thou this below8 ,he meant ,zeno3 he was sorry the other had degenerated from him4 ,but it was not so with our friend ,posidonius1 whom ,i have often seen myself1 and ,i will tell you what ,pompey used to say of him3 that when he came to ,rhodes1 after his departure from ,syria1 he had a great desire to hear ,posidonius1 but was informed that he was very ill of a severe fit of the gout2 yet he had great inclination to pay a visit to so famous a philosopher4 ,accordingly1 when he had seen him1 and paid his compliments1 and had spoken with great respect of him1 he said he was very sorry that he could not hear him lecture4 ,but indeed you may1 replied the other1 nor will ,i suffer any bodily pain to occasion so great a man to visit me in vain4 ,on this ,pompey relates that1 as he lay on his bed1 he disputed with great dignity and fluency on this very subject--,that nothing was good but what was honest2 and that in his paroxysms he would often say1 8,pain1 it is to no purpose1 notwithstanding you are troublesome1 ,i will never acknowledge you an evil40 ,and in general all celebrated and notorious afflictions become endurable by disregarding them4 ,,xxvi4 ,do we not observe1 that where those exercises called gymnastic are in esteem1 those who enter the lists never concern themselves about dangers3 that where the praise of riding and hunting is highly esteemed1 they who practise these arts decline no pain4 ,what shall ,i say of our own ambitious pursuits1 or desire of honours8 ,what fire have not candidates run through to gain a single vote8 ,therefore ,africanus had always in his hands ,xenophon1 the pupil of ,socrates1 being particularly pleased with his saying1 that the same labours were not equally heavy to the general and to the common man1 because the honour itself made the labour lighter to the general4 ,but yet1 so it happens1 that even with the illiterate vulgar1 an idea of honour is of great influence1 though they cannot understand what it is4 ,they are led by report and common opinion to look on that as honourable1 which has the general voice4 ,not that ,i would have you1 should the multitude be ever so fond of you1 rely on their judgment1 nor approve of everything which they think right2 you must use your own judgment4 ,if you are satisfied with yourself when you have approved of what is right1 you will not only have the mastery over yourself1 7which ,i recommend to you just now17 but over everybody1 and everything4 ,lay this down1 then1 as a rule1 that a great capacity1 and lofty elevation of soul1 which distinguishes itself most by despising and looking down with contempt on pain1 is the most excellent of all things1 and the more so1 if it does not depend on the people1 and does not aim at applause1 but derives its satisfaction from itself4 ,besides1 to me indeed everything seems the more commendable the less the people are courted1 and the fewer eyes there are to see it4 ,not that you should avoid the public1 for every generous action loves the public view2 yet no theatre for virtue is equal to a consciousness of it4 ,,xxvii4 ,and let this be principally considered1 that this bearing of pain1 which ,i have often said is to be strengthened by an exertion of the soul1 should be the same in everything4 ,for you meet with many who1 through a desire of victory1 or for glory1 or to maintain their rights1 or their liberty1 have boldly received wounds1 and borne themselves up under them2 and yet those very same persons1 by relaxing that intenseness of their minds1 were unequal to bearing the pain of a disease4 ,for they did not support themselves under their former sufferings by reason or philosophy1 but by inclination and glory4 ,therefore some barbarians and savage people are able to fight very stoutly with the sword1 but cannot bear sickness like men3 but the ,grecians1 men of no great courage1 but as wise as human nature will admit of1 cannot look an enemy in the face1 yet the same will bear to be visited with sickness tolerably1 and with a sufficiently manly spirit2 and the ,cimbrians and ,celtiberians are very alert in battle1 but bemoan themselves in sickness2 for nothing can be consistent which has not reason for its foundation4 ,but when you see those who are led by inclination or opinion1 not retarded by pain in their pursuits1 nor hindered by it from succeeding in them1 you may conclude1 either that pain is no evil1 or that1 notwithstanding you may choose to call an evil whatever is disagreeable and contrary to nature1 yet it is so very trifling an evil1 that it may so effectually be got the better of by virtue as quite to disappear4 ,and ,i would have you think of this night and day2 for this argument will spread itself1 and take up more room sometime or other1 and not be confined to pain alone2 for if the motives to all our actions are to avoid disgrace and acquire honour1 we may not only despise the stings of pain1 but the storms of fortune1 especially if we have recourse to that retreat which was pointed out in our yesterday's discussion3 for as1 if some ,god had advised a man who was pursued by pirates to throw himself overboard1 saying1 ,there is something at hand to receive you2 either a dolphin will take you up1 as it did ,arion of ,methymna2 or those horses sent by ,neptune to ,pelops 7who are said to have carried chariots so rapidly as to be borne up by the waves7 will receive you1 and convey you wherever you please2 cast away all fear3 so1 though your pains be ever so sharp and disagreeable1 if the case is not such that it is worth your while to endure them1 you see whither you may betake yourself4 ,i think this will do for the present4 ,but perhaps you still abide by your opinion4 ,a4 ,not in the least1 indeed2 and ,i hope ,i am freed by these two days' discourses from the fear of two things that ,i greatly dreaded4 ,m4 ,to-morrow then for rhetoric1 as we were saying2 but ,i see we must not drop our philosophy4 ,a4 ,no1 indeed1 we will have the one in the forenoon1 and this at the usual time4 ,m4 ,it shall be so1 and ,i will comply with your very laudable inclinations4 ,book ,,iii4 ,on ,grief ,of ,mind4 ,i4 ,what reason shall ,i assign1 ,o ,brutus1 why1 as we consist of mind and body1 the art of curing and preserving the body should be so much sought after1 and the invention of it1 as being so useful1 should be ascribed to the immortal ,gods2 but the medicine of the mind should not have been so much the object of inquiry1 whilst it was unknown1 nor so much attended to and cultivated after its discovery1 nor so well received or approved of by some1 and accounted actually disagreeable1 and looked upon with an envious eye by many8 ,is it because we1 by means of the mind1 judge of the pains and disorders of the body1 but do not1 by means of the body1 arrive at any perception of the disorders of the mind8 ,hence it comes that the mind only judges of itself1 when that very faculty by which it is judged is in a bad state4 ,had nature given us faculties for discerning and viewing herself1 and could we go through life by keeping our eye on her--our best guide--there would be no reason certainly why any one should be in want of philosophy or learning3 but1 as it is1 she has furnished us only with some feeble rays of light1 which we immediately extinguish so completely by evil habits and erroneous opinions1 that the light of nature is nowhere visible4 ,the seeds of virtues are natural to our constitutions1 and1 were they suffered to come to maturity1 would naturally conduct us to a happy life2 but now1 as soon as we are born and received into the world1 we are instantly familiarized with all kinds of depravity and perversity of opinions2 so that we may be said almost to suck in error with our nurse's milk4 ,when we return to our parents1 and are put into the hands of tutors and governors1 we are imbued with so many errors1 that truth gives place to falsehood1 and nature herself to established opinion4 ,,ii4 ,to these we may add the poets2 who1 on account of the appearance they exhibit of learning and wisdom1 are heard1 read1 and got by heart1 and make a deep impression on our minds4 ,but when to these are added the people1 who are as it were one great body of instructors1 and the multitude1 who declare unanimously for what is wrong1 then are we altogether overwhelmed with bad opinions1 and revolt entirely from nature2 so that they seem to deprive us of our best guide1 who have decided that there is nothing better for man1 nothing more worthy of being desired by him1 nothing more excellent than honours and commands1 and a high reputation with the people2 which indeed every excellent man aims at2 but whilst he pursues that only true honour1 which nature has in view above all other objects1 he finds himself busied in arrant trifles1 and in pursuit of no conspicuous form of virtue1 but only some shadowy representation of glory4 ,for glory is a real and express substance1 not a mere shadow4 ,it consists in the united praise of good men1 the free voice of those who form a true judgment of preeminent virtue2 it is1 as it were1 the very echo of virtue2 and being generally the attendant on laudable actions1 should not be slighted by good men4 ,but popular fame1 which would pretend to imitate it1 is hasty and inconsiderate1 and generally commends wicked and immoral actions1 and throws discredit upon the appearance and beauty of honesty1 by assuming a resemblance of it4 ,and it is owing to their not being able to discover the difference between them that some men1 ignorant of real excellence1 and in what it consists1 have been the destruction of their country and of themselves4 ,and thus the best men have erred1 not so much in their intentions1 as by a mistaken conduct4 ,what1 is no cure to be attempted to be applied to those who are carried away by the love of money1 or the lust of pleasures1 by which they are rendered little short of madmen1 which is the case of all weak people8 or is it because the disorders of the mind are less dangerous than those of the body8 or because the body will admit of a cure1 while there is no medicine whatever for the mind8 ,,iii4 ,but there are more disorders of the mind than of the body1 and they are of a more dangerous nature2 for these very disorders are the more offensive1 because they belong to the mind1 and disturb it2 and the mind1 when disordered1 is1 as ,ennius says1 in a constant error2 it can neither bear nor endure anything1 and is under the perpetual influence of desires4 ,now1 what disorders can be worse to the body than these two distempers of the mind 7for ,i overlook others71 weakness and desire8 ,but how1 indeed1 can it be maintained that the mind cannot prescribe for itself1 when she it is who has invented the medicines for the body1 when1 with regard to bodily cures1 constitution and nature have a great share1 nor do all1 who suffer themselves to be cured1 find that effect instantly2 but those minds which are disposed to be cured1 and submit to the precepts of the wise1 may undoubtedly recover a healthy state8 ,philosophy is certainly the medicine of the soul1 whose assistance we do not seek from abroad1 as in bodily disorders1 but we ourselves are bound to exert our utmost energy and power in order to effect our cure4 ,but as to philosophy in general1 ,i have1 ,i think1 in my 8,hortensius10 sufficiently spoken of the credit and attention which it deserves3 since that1 indeed1 ,i have been continually either disputing or writing on its most material branches3 and ,i have laid down in these books all the discussions which took place between myself and my particular friends at my ,tusculan ,villa3 but as ,i have spoken in the two former of pain and death1 this book shall be devoted to the account of the third day of our disputations4 ,we came down into the ,academy when the day was already declining towards afternoon1 and ,i asked one of those who were present to propose a subject for us to discourse on2 and then the business was carried on in this manner4 ,,iv4 ,a4 ,my opinion is1 that a wise man is subject to grief4 ,m4 ,what1 and to the other perturbations of mind1 as fears1 lusts1 anger8 ,for these are pretty much like what the ,greeks call 4 ,i might call them diseases1 and that would be a literal translation1 but it is not agreeable to our way of speaking4 ,for envy1 delight1 and pleasure1 are all called by the ,greeks diseases1 being affections of the mind not in subordination to reason3 but we1 ,i think1 are right1 in calling the same motions of a disturbed soul perturbations1 and in very seldom using the term diseases2 though1 perhaps1 it appears otherwise to you4 ,a4 ,i am of your opinion4 ,m4 ,and do you think a wise man subject to these8 ,a4 ,entirely1 ,i think4 ,m4 ,then that boasted wisdom is but of small account1 if it differs so little from madness8 ,a4 ,what8 does every commotion of the mind seem to you to be madness8 ,m4 ,not to me only2 but ,i apprehend1 though ,i have often been surprised at it1 that it appeared so to our ancestors many ages before ,socrates3 from whom is derived all that philosophy which relates to life and morals4 ,a4 ,how so8 ,m4 ,because the name madness7#hd7 implies a sickness of the mind and disease1 that is to say an unsoundness1 and an unhealthiness of mind1 which they call madness4 ,but the philosophers call all perturbations of the soul diseases1 and their opinion is that no fool is ever free from these3 but all that are diseased are unsound2 and the minds of all fools are diseased2 therefore all fools are mad4 ,for they held that soundness of the mind depends on a certain tranquillity and steadiness2 and a mind which was destitute of these qualities they called insane1 because soundness was inconsistent with a perturbed mind just as much as with a disordered body4 ,v4 ,nor were they less ingenious in calling the state of the soul devoid of the light of the mind1 8a being out of one's mind10 8a being beside oneself40 ,from whence we may understand1 that they who gave these names to things were of the same opinion with ,socrates1 that all silly people were unsound1 which the ,stoics have carefully preserved as being derived from him2 for whatever mind is distempered1 7and as ,i just now said1 the philosophers call all perturbed motions of the mind distempers17 is no more sound than a body is when in a fit of sickness4 ,hence it is1 that wisdom is the soundness of the mind1 folly a sort of unsoundness1 which is insanity1 or a being out of one's mind3 and these are much better expressed by the ,latin words than the ,greek2 which you will find the case also in many other topics4 ,but we will discuss that point elsewhere3 let us now attend to our present subject4 ,the very meaning of the word describes the whole thing about which we are inquiring1 both as to its substance and character4 ,for we must necessarily understand by 8sound10 those whose minds are under no perturbation from any motion as if it were a disease4 ,they who are differently affected we must necessarily call 8unsound40 ,so that nothing is better than what is usual in ,latin1 to say1 that they who are run away with by their lust or anger1 have quitted the command over themselves2 though anger includes lust1 for anger is defined to be the lust of revenge4 ,they1 then1 who are said not to be masters of themselves1 are said to be so because they are not under the government of reason1 to which is assigned by nature the power over the whole soul4 ,why the ,greeks should call this 1 ,i do not easily apprehend2 but we define it much better than they1 for we distinguish this madness 7insania71 which1 being allied to folly1 is more extensive1 from what we call furor1 or raving4 ,the ,greeks indeed would do so too1 but they have no one word that will express it3 what we call furor1 they call 1 as if the reason were affected only by a black bile1 and not disturbed as often by a violent rage1 or fear1 or grief4 ,thus we say ,athamas1 ,alcmon1 ,ajax1 and ,orestes1 were raving 7furere73 because a person affected in this manner was not allowed1 by the twelve tables1 to have the management of his own affairs2 therefore the words are not1 if he is mad 7insanus71 but1 if he begins to be raving 7furiosus74 ,for they looked upon madness to be an unsettled humour1 that proceeded from not being of sound mind2 yet such a person might perform his ordinary duties1 and discharge the usual and customary requirements of life3 but they considered one that was raving as afflicted with a total blindness of the mind1 which1 notwithstanding it is allowed to be greater than madness1 is nevertheless of such a nature1 that a wise man may be subject to raving 7furor71 but cannot possibly be afflicted by insanity 7insania74 ,but this is another question3 let us now return to our original subject4 ,,vi4 ,i think you said that it was your opinion that a wise man was liable to grief4 ,a4 ,and so1 indeed1 ,i think4 ,m4 ,it is natural enough to think so1 for we are not the offspring of flints3 but we have by nature something soft and tender in our souls1 which may be put into a violent motion by grief1 as by a storm2 nor did that ,crantor1 who was one of the most distinguished men that our ,academy has ever produced1 say this amiss3 8,i am by no means of their opinion who talk so much in praise of ,i know not what insensibility1 which neither can exist1 nor ought to exist3 ,i would choose10 says he1 8never to be ill2 but should ,i be so1 still ,i should choose to retain my sensation1 whether there was to be an amputation1 or any other separation of anything from my body4 ,for that insensibility cannot be but at the expense of some unnatural ferocity of mind1 or stupor of body40 ,but let us consider whether to talk in this manner be not allowing that we are weak1 and yielding to our softness4 ,notwithstanding1 let us be hardy enough1 not only to lop off every arm of our miseries1 but even to pluck up every fibre of their roots3 yet still something perhaps may be left behind1 so deep does folly strike its roots3 but whatever may be left1 it will be no more than is necessary4 ,but let us be persuaded of this1 that unless the mind be in a sound state1 which philosophy alone can effect1 there can be no end of our miseries4 ,wherefore1 as we begun1 let us submit ourselves to it for a cure2 we shall be cured if we choose to be4 ,i shall advance something further4 ,i shall not treat of grief alone1 though that indeed is the principal thing2 but1 as ,i originally proposed1 of every perturbation of the mind1 as ,i termed it1 disorder1 as the ,greeks call it3 and first1 with your leave1 ,i shall treat it in the manner of the ,stoics1 whose method is to reduce their arguments into a very small space2 afterwards ,i shall enlarge more in my own way4 ,,vii4 ,a man of courage is also full of faith2 ,i do not use the word confident1 because1 owing to an erroneous custom of speaking1 that word has come to be used in a bad sense1 though it is derived from confiding1 which is commendable4 ,but he who is full of faith1 is certainly under no fear2 for there is an inconsistency between faith and fear4 ,now whoever is subject to grief is subject to fear2 for whatever things we grieve at when present1 we dread when hanging over us and approaching4 ,thus it comes about1 that grief is inconsistent with courage3 it is very probable1 therefore1 that whoever is subject to grief1 is also liable to fear1 and to a broken kind of spirits and sinking4 ,now whenever these befal a man1 he is in a servile state1 and must own that he is overpowered3 for whoever admits these feelings1 must admit timidity and cowardice4 ,but these cannot enter into the mind of a man of courage2 neither therefore can grief3 but the man of courage is the only wise man2 therefore grief cannot befal the wise man4 ,it is besides necessary1 that whoever is brave1 should be a man of great soul2 that whoever is a man of a great soul1 should be invincible3 whoever is invincible looks down with contempt on all things here1 and considers them beneath him4 ,but no one can despise those things on account of which he may be affected with grief3 from whence it follows1 that a wise man is never affected with grief3 for all wise men are brave2 therefore a wise man is not subject to grief4 ,and as the eye1 when disordered1 is not in a good condition for performing its office properly2 and as the other parts1 and the whole body itself1 when unsettled1 cannot perform their office and business2 so the mind1 when disordered1 is but ill-fitted to perform its duty4 ,the office of the mind is to use its reason well2 but the mind of a wise man is always in condition to make the best use of his reason1 and therefore is never out of order4 ,but grief is a disorder of the mind2 therefore a wise man will be always free from it4 ,,viii4 ,and from these considerations we may get at a very probable definition of the temperate man1 whom the ,greeks call 1 and they call that virtue 1 which ,i at one time call temperance1 at another time moderation1 and sometimes even modesty2 but ,i do not know whether that virtue may not be properly called frugality1 which has a more confined meaning with the ,greeks2 for they call frugal men 1 which implies only that they are useful3 but our name has a more extensive meaning2 for all abstinence1 all innocency1 7which the ,greeks have no ordinary name for1 though they might use the word 1 for innocency is that disposition of mind which would offend no one17 and several other virtues1 are comprehended under frugality2 but1 if this quality were of less importance1 and confined in as small a compass as some imagine1 the surname of ,piso7#he7 would not have been in so great esteem4 ,but as we allow him not the name of a frugal man 7frugi71 who either quits his post through fear1 which is cowardice2 or who reserves to his own use what was privately committed to his keeping1 which is injustice2 or who fails in his military undertakings through rashness1 which is folly2 for that reason the word frugality takes in these three virtues of fortitude1 justice1 and prudence1 though it is indeed common to all virtues1 for they are all connected and knit together4 ,let us allow1 then1 frugality itself to be another and fourth virtue2 for its peculiar property seems to be1 to govern and appease all tendencies to too eager a desire after anything1 to restrain lust1 and to preserve a decent steadiness in everything4 ,the vice in contrast to this is called prodigality 7nequitia74 ,frugality1 ,i imagine1 is derived from the word fruge1 the best thing which the earth produces2 nequitia is derived 7though this is perhaps rather more strained1 still let us try it2 we shall only be thought to have been trifling if there is nothing in what we say7 from the fact of everything being to no purpose 7nequicquam7 in such a man2 from which circumstance he is called also ,nihil1 nothing4 ,whoever is frugal1 then1 or1 if it is more agreeable to you1 whoever is moderate and temperate1 such a one must of course be consistent2 whoever is consistent1 must be quiet2 the quiet man must be free from all perturbation1 therefore from grief likewise3 and these are the properties of a wise man2 therefore a wise man must be free from grief4 ,,ix4 ,so that ,dionysius of ,heraclea is right when1 upon this complaint of ,achilles in ,homer-- ,well hast thou spoke1 but at the tyrant's name ,my rage rekindles1 and my soul's in flame3 ',tis just resentment1 and becomes the brave1 ,disgraced1 dishonour'd like the vilest slave7#hf7-- he reasons thus3 ,is the hand as it should be1 when it is affected with a swelling8 or is it possible for any other member of the body1 when swollen or enlarged1 to be in any other than a disordered state8 ,must not the mind1 then1 when it is puffed up1 or distended1 be out of order8 ,but the mind of a wise man is always free from every kind of disorder2 it never swells1 never is puffed up3 but the mind when in anger is in a different state4 ,a wise man therefore is never angry2 for when he is angry1 he lusts after something2 for whoever is angry naturally has a longing desire to give all the pain he can to the person who he thinks has injured him2 and whoever has this earnest desire must necessarily be much pleased with the accomplishment of his wishes2 hence he is delighted with his neighbour's misery2 and as a wise man is not capable of such feelings as these1 he is therefore not capable of anger4 ,but should a wise man be subject to grief1 he may likewise be subject to anger2 for as he is free from anger1 he must likewise be free from grief4 ,again1 could a wise man be subject to grief1 he might also be liable to pity1 or even might be open to a disposition towards envy 7invidentia72 ,i do not say to envy 7invidia71 for that can only exist by the very act of envying3 but we may fairly form the word invidentia from invidendo1 and so avoid the doubtful name invidia2 for this word is probably derived from in and video1 looking too closely into another's fortune2 as it is said in the ,melanippus1 ,who envies me the flower of my children8 where the ,latin is invidit florem4 ,it may appear not good ,latin1 but it is very well put by ,accius2 for as video governs an accusative case1 so it is more correct to say invideo florem than flori4 ,we are debarred from saying so by common usage3 the poet stood in his own right1 and expressed himself with more freedom4 ,x4 ,therefore compassion and envy are consistent in the same man2 for whoever is uneasy at any one's adversity1 is also uneasy at another's prosperity3 as ,theophrastus while he laments the death of his companion ,callisthenes1 is at the same time disturbed at the success of ,alexander2 and therefore he says1 that ,callisthenes met with a man of the greatest power and good fortune1 but one who did not know how to make use of his good fortune4 ,and as pity is an uneasiness which arises from the misfortunes of another1 so envy is an uneasiness that proceeds from the good success of another3 therefore whoever is capable of pity1 is capable of envy4 ,but a wise man is incapable of envy1 and consequently incapable of pity4 ,but were a wise man used to grieve1 to pity also would be familiar to him2 therefore to grieve1 is a feeling which cannot affect a wise man4 ,now1 though these reasonings of the ,stoics1 and their conclusions1 are rather strained and distorted1 and ought to be expressed in a less stringent and narrow manner1 yet great stress is to be laid on the opinions of those men who have a peculiarly bold and manly turn of thought and sentiment4 ,for our friends the ,peripatetics1 notwithstanding all their erudition1 gravity1 and fluency of language1 do not satisfy me about the moderation of these disorders and diseases of the soul which they insist upon2 for every evil1 though moderate1 is in its nature great4 ,but our object is to make out that the wise man is free from all evil2 for as the body is unsound if it is ever so slightly affected1 so the mind under any moderate disorder loses its soundness3 therefore the ,romans have1 with their usual accuracy of expression1 called trouble1 and anguish1 and vexation1 on account of the analogy between a troubled mind and a diseased body1 disorders4 ,the ,greeks call all perturbation of mind by pretty nearly the same name2 for they name every turbid motion of the soul 1 that is to say1 a distemper4 ,but we have given them a more proper name2 for a disorder of the mind is very like a disease of the body4 ,but lust does not resemble sickness2 neither does immoderate joy1 which is an elated and exulting pleasure of the mind4 ,fear1 too1 is not very like a distemper1 though it is akin to grief of mind1 but properly1 as is also the case with sickness of the body1 so too sickness of mind has no name separated from pain4 ,and therefore ,i must explain the origin of this pain1 that is to say1 the cause that occasions this grief in the mind1 as if it were a sickness of the body4 ,for as physicians think they have found out the cure1 when they have discovered the cause of the distemper2 so we shall discover the method of curing melancholy1 when the cause of it is found out4 ,,xi4 ,the whole cause1 then1 is in opinion2 and this observation applies not to this grief alone1 but to every other disorder of the mind1 which are of four sorts1 but consisting of many parts4 ,for as every disorder or perturbation is a motion of the mind1 either devoid of reason1 or in despite of reason1 or in disobedience to reason1 and as that motion is excited by an opinion of either good or evil2 these four perturbations are divided equally into two parts3 for two of them proceed from an opinion of good1 one of which is an exulting pleasure1 that is to say1 a joy elated beyond measure1 arising from an opinion of some present great good2 the other is a desire which may fairly be called even a lust1 and is an immoderate inclination after some conceived great good1 without any obedience to reason4 ,therefore these two kinds1 the exulting pleasure1 and the lust1 have their rise from an opinion of good1 as the other two1 fear and grief1 have from an opinion of evil4 ,for fear is an opinion of some great evil impending over us1 and grief is an opinion of some great evil present2 and1 indeed1 it is a freshly conceived opinion of an evil so great1 that to grieve at it seems right3 it is of that kind1 that he who is uneasy at it thinks he has good reason to be so4 ,now we should exert our utmost efforts to oppose these perturbations--which are1 as it were1 so many furies let loose upon us1 and urged on by folly--if we are desirous to pass this share of life that is allotted to us with ease and satisfaction4 ,but of the other feelings ,i shall speak elsewhere2 our business at present is to drive away grief if we can1 for that shall be the object of our present discussion1 since you have said that it was your opinion that a wise man might be subject to grief1 which ,i can by no means allow of2 for it is a frightful1 miserable1 and detestable thing1 which we should fly from with our utmost efforts--with all our sails and oars1 as ,i may say4 ,,xii4 ,that descendant of ,tantalus1 how does he appear to you8 he who sprung from ,pelops1 who formerly stole ,hippodamia from her father-in-law1 king nomaus1 and married her by force8 ,he who was descended from ,jupiter himself1 how broken-hearted and dispirited does he not seem6-- ,stand off1 my friends1 nor come within my shade1 ,that no pollutions your sound hearts pervade1 ,so foul a stain my body doth partake4 ,will you condemn yourself1 ,thyestes1 and deprive yourself of life1 on account of the greatness of another's crime8 ,what do you think of that son of ,phbus8 do you not look upon him as unworthy of his own father's light8 ,hollow his eyes1 his body worn away1 ,his furrow'd cheeks his frequent tears betray2 ,his beard neglected1 and his hoary hairs ,rough and uncomb'd1 bespeak his bitter cares4 ,o foolish etes1 these are evils which you yourself have been the cause of1 and are not occasioned by any accidents with which chance has visited you2 and you behaved as you did1 even after you had been inured to your distress1 and after the first swelling of the mind had subsided6 whereas grief consists 7as ,i shall show7 in the notion of some recent evil2 but your grief1 it is very plain1 proceeded from the loss of your kingdom1 not of your daughter1 for you hated her1 and perhaps with reason1 but you could not calmly bear to part with your kingdom4 ,but surely it is an impudent grief which preys upon a man for not being able to command those that are free4 ,dionysius1 it is true1 the tyrant of ,syracuse1 when driven from his country taught a school at ,corinth2 so incapable was he of living without some authority4 ,but what could be more impudent than ,tarquin8 who made war upon those who could not bear his tyranny2 and when he could not recover his kingdom by the aid of the forces of the ,veientians and the ,latins1 is said to have betaken himself to ,cuma1 and to have died in that city1 of old age and grief6 ,,xiii4 ,do you1 then1 think that it can befal a wise man to be oppressed with grief1 that is to say1 with misery8 for1 as all perturbation is misery1 grief is the rack itself4 ,lust is attended with heat1 exulting joy with levity1 fear with meanness1 but grief with something greater than these2 it consumes1 torments1 afflicts1 and disgraces a man2 it tears him1 preys upon his mind1 and utterly destroys him3 if we do not so divest ourselves of it as to throw it completely off1 we cannot be free from misery4 ,and it is clear that there must be grief where anything has the appearance of a present sore and oppressing evil4 ,epicurus is of opinion1 that grief arises naturally from the imagination of any evil2 so that whosoever is eye-witness of any great misfortune1 if he conceives that the like may possibly befal himself1 becomes sad instantly from such an idea4 ,the ,cyrenaics think that grief is not engendered by every kind of evil1 but only by unexpected1 unforeseen evil2 and that circumstance is1 indeed1 of no small effect on the heightening of grief2 for whatsoever comes of a sudden appears more formidable4 ,hence these lines are deservedly commended-- ,i knew my son1 when first he drew his breath1 ,destined by fate to an untimely death2 ,and when ,i sent him to defend the ,greeks1 ,war was his business1 not your sportive freaks4 ,,xiv4 ,therefore1 this ruminating beforehand upon future evils which you see at a distance1 makes their approach more tolerable2 and on this account1 what ,euripides makes ,theseus say1 is much commended4 ,you will give me leave to translate them1 as is usual with me-- ,i treasured up what some learn'd sage did tell1 ,and on my future misery did dwell2 ,i thought of bitter death1 of being drove ,far from my home by exile1 and ,i strove ,with every evil to possess my mind1 ,that1 when they came1 ,i the less care might find47#hg7 ,but ,euripides says that of himself1 which ,theseus said he had heard from some learned man1 for the poet had been a pupil of ,anaxagoras1 who1 as they relate1 on hearing of the death of his son1 said1 8,i knew that my son was mortal20 which speech seems to intimate that such things afflict those men who have not thought on them before4 ,therefore1 there is no doubt but that all those things which are considered evils are the heavier from not being foreseen4 ,though1 notwithstanding this is not the only circumstance which occasions the greatest grief1 still1 as the mind1 by foreseeing and preparing for it1 has great power to make all grief the less1 a man should at all times consider all the events that may befal him in this life2 and certainly the excellence and divine nature of wisdom consists in taking a near view of1 and gaining a thorough acquaintance with1 all human affairs1 in not being surprised when anything happens1 and in thinking1 before the event1 that there is nothing but what may come to pass4 ,wherefore ev'ry man1 ,when his affairs go on most swimmingly1 ,e'en then it most behoves to arm himself ,against the coming storm3 loss1 danger1 exile1 ,returning ever1 let him look to meet2 ,his son in fault1 wife dead1 or daughter sick3 ,all common accidents1 and may have happen'd1 ,that nothing shall seem new or strange4 ,but if ,aught has fall'n out beyond his hopes1 all that ,let him account clear gain47#hh7 ,,xv4 ,therefore1 as ,terence has so well expressed what he borrowed from philosophy1 shall not we1 from whose fountains he drew it1 say the same thing in a better manner1 and abide by it with more steadiness8 ,hence came that steady countenance1 which1 according to ,xantippe1 her husband ,socrates always had2 so that she said that she never observed any difference in his looks when he went out1 and when he came home4 ,yet the look of that old ,roman1 ,m4 ,crassus1 who1 as ,lucilius says1 never smiled but once in his lifetime1 was not of this kind1 but placid and serene1 for so we are told4 ,he1 indeed1 might well have had the same look at all times who never changed his mind1 from which the countenance derives its expression4 ,so that ,i am ready to borrow of the ,cyrenaics those arms against the accidents and events of life1 by means of which1 by long premeditation1 they break the force of all approaching evils2 and at the same time1 ,i think that those very evils themselves arise more from opinion than nature1 for1 if they were real1 no forecast could make them lighter4 ,but ,i shall speak more particularly on these matters after ,i have first considered ,epicurus's opinion1 who thinks that all people must necessarily be uneasy who believe themselves to be in any evils1 let them be either foreseen and expected1 or habitual to them2 for1 with him1 evils are not the less by reason of their continuance1 nor the lighter for having been foreseen2 and it is folly to ruminate on evils to come1 or such as1 perhaps1 never may come2 every evil is disagreeable enough when it does come2 but he who is constantly considering that some evil may befal him1 is loading himself with a perpetual evil1 and even should such evil never light on him1 he voluntarily takes upon himself unnecessary misery1 so that he is under constant uneasiness1 whether he actually suffers any evil1 or only thinks of it4 ,but he makes the alleviation of grief depend on two things1 a ceasing to think on evil1 and a turning to the contemplation of pleasure4 ,for he thinks that the mind may possibly be under the power of reason1 and follow her directions2 he forbids us1 therefore1 to mind trouble1 and calls us off from sorrowful reflections3 he throws a mist over our eyes to hinder us from the contemplation of misery4 ,having sounded a retreat from this statement1 he drives our thoughts on again1 and encourages them to view and engage the whole mind in the various pleasures with which he thinks the life of a wise man abounds1 either from reflecting on the past1 or from the hope of what is to come4 ,i have said these things in my own way1 the ,epicureans have theirs3 however1 let us examine what they say2 how they say it is of little consequence4 ,,xvi4 ,in the first place1 they are wrong in forbidding men to premeditate on futurity1 and blaming their wish to do so2 for there is nothing that breaks the edge of grief and lightens it more1 than considering1 during one's whole life1 that there is nothing which it is impossible should happen2 or1 than considering what human nature is1 on what conditions life was given1 and how we may comply with them4 ,the effect of which is1 that we are always grieving1 but that we never do so2 for whoever reflects on the nature of things1 the various turns of life1 and the weakness of human nature1 grieves1 indeed1 at that reflection2 but while so grieving he is1 above all other times1 behaving as a wise man3 for he gains these two things by it2 one1 that while he is considering the state of human nature he is performing the especial duties of philosophy1 and is provided with a triple medicine against adversity3 in the first place1 because he has long reflected that such things might befal him1 and this reflection by itself contributes much towards lessening and weakening all misfortunes2 and1 secondly1 because he is persuaded that we should bear all the accidents which can happen to a man1 with the feelings and spirit of a man2 and lastly1 because he considers that what is blameable is the only evil2 but it is not your fault that something has happened to you which it was impossible for man to avoid4 ,for that withdrawing of our thoughts which he recommends when he calls us off from contemplating our misfortunes1 is an imaginary action2 for it is not in our power to dissemble or to forget those evils which lie heavy on us2 they tear1 vex1 and sting us--they burn us up1 and leave no breathing-time2 and do you order us to forget them1 7for such forgetfulness is contrary to nature17 and at the same time deprive us of the only assistance which nature affords1 the being accustomed to them8 for that1 though it is but a slow medicine 7,i mean that which is brought by lapse of time71 is still a very effectual one4 ,you order me to employ my thoughts on something good1 and forget my misfortunes4 ,you would say something worthy a great philosopher1 if you thought those things good which are best suited to the dignity of human nature4 ,,xvii4 ,should ,pythagoras1 ,socrates1 or ,plato1 say to me1 ,why are you dejected1 or sad8 ,why do you faint1 and yield to fortune1 which1 perhaps1 may have power to harass and disturb you1 but should not quite unman you8 ,there is great power in the virtues2 rouse them if they chance to droop4 ,take fortitude for your guide1 which will give you such spirits1 that you will despise everything that can befal man1 and look on it as a trifle4 ,add to this temperance1 which is moderation1 and which was just now called frugality1 which will not suffer you to do anything base or bad--for what is worse or baser than an effeminate man8 ,not even justice will suffer you to act in this manner1 though she seems to have the least weight in this affair2 but still1 notwithstanding1 even she will inform you that you are doubly unjust when you both require what does not belong to you1 inasmuch as though you who have been born mortal1 demand to be placed in the condition of the immortals1 and at the same time you take it much to heart that you are to restore what was lent you4 ,what answer will you make to prudence1 who informs you that she is a virtue sufficient of herself both to teach you a good life1 and also to secure you a happy one8 ,and1 indeed1 if she were fettered by external circumstances1 and dependent on others1 and if she did not originate in herself and return to herself1 and also embrace everything in herself1 so as to seek no adventitious aid from any quarter1 ,i cannot imagine why she should appear deserving of such lofty panegyrics1 or of being sought after with such excessive eagerness4 ,now1 ,epicurus1 if you call me back to such goods as these1 ,i will obey you1 and follow you1 and use you as my guide1 and even forget1 as you order me1 all my misfortunes2 and ,i will do this the more readily from a persuasion that they are not to be ranked amongst evils at all4 ,but you are for bringing my thoughts over to pleasure4 ,what pleasures8 pleasures of the body1 ,i imagine1 or such as are recollected or imagined on account of the body4 ,is this all8 ,do ,i explain your opinion rightly8 for your disciples are used to deny that we understand at all what ,epicurus means4 ,this is what he says1 and what that subtle fellow1 old ,zeno1 who is one of the sharpest of them1 used1 when ,i was attending lectures at ,athens1 to enforce and talk so loudly of2 saying that he alone was happy who could enjoy present pleasure1 and who was at the same time persuaded that he should enjoy it without pain1 either during the whole or the greatest part of his life2 or if1 should any pain interfere1 if it was very sharp1 then it must be short2 should it be of longer continuance1 it would have more of what was sweet than bitter in it2 that whosoever reflected on these things would be happy1 especially if satisfied with the good things which he had already enjoyed1 and if he were without fear of death1 or of the ,gods4 ,,xviii4 ,you have here a representation of a happy life according to ,epicurus1 in the words of ,zeno1 so that there is no room for contradiction in any point4 ,what then8 ,can the proposing and thinking of such a life make ,thyestes grief the less1 or etes's1 of whom ,i spoke above1 or ,telamon's1 who was driven from his country to penury and banishment8 in wonder at whom men exclaimed thus3-- ,is this the man surpassing glory raised8 ,is this that ,telamon so highly praised ,by wondering ,greece1 at whose sight1 like the sun1 ,all others with diminish'd lustre shone8 ,now1 should any one1 as the same author says1 find his spirits sink with the loss of his fortune1 he must apply to those grave philosophers of antiquity for relief1 and not to these voluptuaries3 for what great abundance of good do they promise8 ,suppose that we allow that to be without pain is the chief good8 yet that is not called pleasure4 ,but it is not necessary at present to go through the whole3 the question is1 to what point are we to advance in order to abate our grief8 ,grant that to be in pain is the greatest evil2 whosoever1 then1 has proceeded so far as not to be in pain1 is he1 therefore1 in immediate possession of the greatest good8 ,why1 ,epicurus1 do we use any evasions1 and not allow in our own words the same feeling to be pleasure1 which you are used to boast of with such assurance8 ,are these your words or not8 ,this is what you say in that book which contains all the doctrine of your school2 for ,i will perform1 on this occasion1 the office of a translator1 lest any one should imagine that ,i am inventing anything4 ,thus you speak3 8,nor can ,i form any notion of the chief good1 abstracted from those pleasures which are perceived by taste1 or from what depends on hearing music1 or abstracted from ideas raised by external objects visible to the eye1 or by agreeable motions1 or from those other pleasures which are perceived by the whole man by means of any of his senses2 nor can it possibly be said that the pleasures of the mind are excited only by what is good2 for ,i have perceived men's minds to be pleased with the hopes of enjoying those things which ,i mentioned above1 and with the idea that it should enjoy them without any interruption from pain40 ,and these are his exact words1 so that any one may understand what were the pleasures with which ,epicurus was acquainted4 ,then he speaks thus1 a little lower down3 8,i have often inquired of those who have been called wise men1 what would be the remaining good if they should exclude from consideration all these pleasures1 unless they meant to give us nothing but words8 ,i could never learn anything from them2 and unless they choose that all virtue and wisdom should vanish and come to nothing1 they must say with me1 that the only road to happiness lies through those pleasures which ,i mentioned above40 ,what follows is much the same1 and his whole book on the chief good everywhere abounds with the same opinions4 ,will you1 then1 invite ,telamon to this kind of life to ease his grief8 and should you observe any one of your friends under affliction1 would you rather prescribe him a sturgeon than a treatise of ,socrates8 or advise him to listen to the music of a water-organ rather than to ,plato8 or lay before him the beauty and variety of some garden1 put a nosegay to his nose1 burn perfumes before him1 and bid him crown himself with a garland of roses and woodbines8 ,should you add one thing more1 you would certainly wipe out all his grief4 ,,xix4 ,epicurus must admit these arguments2 or he must take out of his book what ,i just now said was a literal translation2 or rather he must destroy his whole book1 for it is crammed full of pleasures4 ,we must inquire1 then1 how we can ease him of his grief1 who speaks in this manner3-- ,my present state proceeds from fortune's stings2 ,by birth ,i boast of a descent from kings2 ,hence may you see from what a noble height ,i'm sunk by fortune to this abject plight4 ,what6 to ease his grief1 must we mix him a cup of sweet wine1 or something of that kind8 ,lo6 the same poet presents us with another sentiment somewhere else3-- ,i1 ,hector1 once so great1 now claim your aid4 ,we should assist her1 for she looks out for help4 ,where shall ,i now apply1 where seek support8 ,where hence betake me1 or to whom resort8 ,no means remain of comfort or of joy1 ,in flames my palace1 and in ruins ,troy2 ,each wall1 so late superb1 deformed nods1 ,and not an altar's left t' appease the gods4 ,you know what should follow1 and particularly this3-- ,of father1 country1 and of friends bereft1 ,not one of all these sumptuous temples left2 ,which1 whilst the fortune of our house did stand1 ,with rich-wrought ceilings spoke the artist's hand4 ,o excellent poet6 though despised by those who sing the verses of ,euphorion4 ,he is sensible that all things which come on a sudden are harder to be borne4 ,therefore1 when he had set off the riches of ,priam to the best advantage1 which had the appearance of a long continuance1 what does he add8-- ,lo1 these all perish'd in one blazing pile2 ,the foe old ,priam of his life beguiled1 ,and with his blood1 thy altar1 ,jove1 defiled4 ,admirable poetry6 ,there is something mournful in the subject1 as well as in the words and measure4 ,we must drive away this grief of her's3 how is that to be done8 ,shall we lay her on a bed of down3 introduce a singer2 shall we burn cedar1 or present her with some pleasant liquor1 and provide her something to eat8 ,are these the good things which remove the most afflicting grief8 for you but just now said you knew of no other good4 ,i should agree with ,epicurus that we ought to be called off from grief to contemplate good things1 if we could only agree upon what was good4 ,,xx4 ,it may be said1 ,what6 do you imagine ,epicurus really meant this1 and that he maintained anything so sensual8 ,indeed ,i do not imagine so1 for ,i am sensible that he has uttered many excellent things and sentiments1 and delivered maxims of great weight4 ,therefore1 as ,i said before1 ,i am speaking of his acuteness1 not of his morals4 ,though he should hold those pleasures in contempt1 which he just now commended1 yet ,i must remember wherein he places the chief good4 ,for he was not contented with barely saying this1 but he has explained what he meant3 he says1 that taste1 and embraces1 and sports1 and music1 and those forms which affect the eyes with pleasure1 are the chief good4 ,have ,i invented this8 have ,i misrepresented him8 ,i should be glad to be confuted2 for what am ,i endeavouring at1 but to clear up truth in every question8 ,well1 but the same man says1 that pleasure is at its height where pain ceases1 and that to be free from all pain is the very greatest pleasure4 ,here are three very great mistakes in a very few words4 ,one is1 that he contradicts himself2 for1 but just now1 he could not imagine anything good1 unless the senses were in a manner tickled with some pleasure2 but now he says that to be free from pain is the highest pleasure4 ,can any one contradict himself more8 ,the next mistake is1 that where there is naturally a threefold division1 the first1 to be pleased2 next1 to be in pain2 the last1 to be affected neither by pleasure nor pain3 he imagines the first and the last to be the same1 and makes no difference betwixt pleasure and a cessation of pain4 ,the last mistake he falls into in common with some others2 which is this3 that as virtue is the most desirable thing1 and as philosophy has been investigated with a view to the attainment of it1 he has separated the chief good from virtue4 ,but he commends virtue1 and that frequently2 and indeed ,c4 ,gracchus1 when he had made the largest distributions of the public money1 and had exhausted the treasury1 nevertheless spoke much of defending the treasury4 ,what signifies what men say1 when we see what they do8 ,that ,piso1 who was surnamed ,frugal1 had always harangued against the law that was proposed for distributing the corn1 but when it had passed1 though a man of consular dignity1 he came to receive the corn4 ,gracchus observed ,piso standing in the court1 and asked him1 in the hearing of the people1 how it was consistent for him to take corn by a law he had himself opposed8 8,it was10 said he1 8against your distributing my goods to every man as you thought proper2 but1 as you do so1 ,i claim my share40 ,did not this grave and wise man sufficiently show that the public revenue was dissipated by the ,sempronian law8 ,read ,gracchus's speeches1 and you will pronounce him the advocate of the treasury4 ,epicurus denies that any one can live pleasantly who does not lead a life of virtue2 he denies that fortune has any power over a wise man3 he prefers a spare diet to great plenty1 and maintains that a wise man is always happy4 ,all these things become a philosopher to say1 but they are not consistent with pleasure4 ,but the reply is1 that he doth not mean that pleasure3 let him mean any pleasure1 it must be such a one as makes no part of virtue4 ,but suppose we are mistaken as to his pleasure1 are we so too as to his pain8 ,i maintain therefore the impropriety of language which that man uses when talking of virtue1 who would measure every great evil by pain8 ,,xxi4 ,and indeed the ,epicureans1 those best of men1 for there is no order of men more innocent1 complain1 that ,i take great pains to inveigh against ,epicurus4 ,we are rivals1 ,i suppose1 for some honour or distinction4 ,i place the chief good in the mind1 he in the body2 ,i in virtue1 he in pleasure2 and the ,epicureans are up in arms1 and implore the assistance of their neighbours1 and many are ready to fly to their aid4 ,but1 as for my part1 ,i declare that ,i am very indifferent about the matter1 and that ,i consider the whole discussion which they are so anxious about at an end4 ,for what6 is the contention about the ,punic war8 on which very subject1 though ,m4 ,cato and ,l4 ,lentulus were of different opinions1 still there was no difference betwixt them4 ,but these men behave with too much heat1 especially as the opinions which they would uphold are no very spirited ones1 and such as they dare not plead for either in the senate1 or before the assembly of the people1 or before the army1 or the censors3 but1 however1 ,i will argue with them another time1 and with such a disposition that no quarrel shall arise between us2 for ,i shall be ready to yield to their opinions when founded on truth4 ,only ,i must give them this advice3 ,that were it ever so true1 that a wise man regards nothing but the body2 or1 to express myself with more decency1 never does anything except what is expedient1 and views all things with exclusive reference to his own advantage2 as such things are not very commendable1 they should confine them to their own breasts1 and leave off talking with that parade of them4 ,,xxii4 ,what remains is the opinion of the ,cyrenaics1 who think that men grieve when anything happens unexpectedly4 ,and that is1 indeed1 as ,i said before1 a great aggravation of a misfortune2 and ,i know that it appeared so to ,chrysippus1 8,whatever falls out unexpected is so much the heavier40 ,but the whole question does not turn on this2 though the sudden approach of an enemy sometimes occasions more confusion than it would if you had expected him1 and a sudden storm at sea throws the sailors into a greater fright than one which they have foreseen2 and it is the same in many other cases4 ,but when you carefully consider the nature of what was expected1 you will find nothing more1 than that all things which come on a sudden appear greater2 and this upon two accounts3 first of all1 because you have not time to consider how great the accident is2 and secondly1 because you are probably persuaded that you could have guarded against it had you foreseen it1 and therefore the misfortune1 having been seemingly encountered by your own fault1 makes your grief the greater4 ,that it is so1 time evinces2 which1 as it advances1 brings with it so much mitigation1 that though the same misfortunes continue1 the grief not only becomes the less1 but in some cases is entirely removed4 ,many ,carthaginians were slaves at ,rome1 and many ,macedonians when ,perseus their king was taken prisoner4 ,i saw1 too1 when ,i was a young man1 some ,corinthians in the ,peloponnesus4 ,they might all have lamented with ,andromache1-- ,all these ,i saw4442 but they had perhaps given over lamenting themselves1 for by their countenances1 and speech1 and other gestures1 you might have taken them for ,argives or ,sicyonians4 ,and ,i myself was more concerned at the ruined walls of ,corinth1 than the ,corinthians themselves were1 whose minds by frequent reflection and time had become callous to such sights4 ,i have read a book of ,clitomachus1 which he sent to his fellow-citizens1 who were prisoners1 to comfort them after the destruction of ,carthage2 there is in it a treatise written by ,carneades1 which1 as ,clitomachus says1 he had inserted into his book2 the subject was1 8,that it appeared probable that a wise man would grieve at the state of subjection of his country10 and all the arguments which ,carneades used against this proposition are set down in the book4 ,there the philosopher applies such a strong medicine to a fresh grief1 as would be quite unnecessary in one of any continuance2 nor1 if this very book had been sent to the captives some years after1 would it have found any wounds to cure1 but only scars2 for grief1 by a gentle progress and slow degrees1 wears away imperceptibly4 ,not that the circumstances which gave rise to it are altered1 or can be1 but that custom teaches what reason should1 that those things which before seemed to be of some consequence1 are of no such great importance after all4 ,,xxiii4 ,it may be said1 ,what occasion is there to apply to reason1 or to any sort of consolation such as we generally make use of1 to mitigate the grief of the afflicted8 ,for we have this argument always at hand1 that nothing ought to appear unexpected4 ,but how will any one be enabled to bear his misfortunes the better by knowing that it is unavoidable that such things should happen to man8 ,saying this subtracts nothing from the sum of the grief3 it only asserts that nothing has fallen out but what might have been anticipated2 and yet this manner of speaking has some little consolation in it1 though ,i apprehend not a great deal4 ,therefore those unlooked-for things have not so much force as to give rise to all our grief2 the blow perhaps may fall the heavier1 but whatever happens does not appear the greater on that account2 no1 it is the fact of its having happened lately1 and not of its having befallen us unexpectedly1 that makes it seem the greater4 ,there are two ways then of discerning the truth1 not only of things that seem evil1 but of those that have the appearance of good4 ,for we either inquire into the nature of the thing1 of what description1 and magnitude1 and importance it is1--as sometimes with regard to poverty1 the burden of which we may lighten when by our disputations we show how few things nature requires1 and of what a trifling kind they are1--or1 without any subtle arguing1 we refer them to examples1 as here we instance a ,socrates1 there a ,diogenes1 and then again that line in ,ccilius1 ,wisdom is oft conceal'd in mean attire4 ,for as poverty is of equal weight with all1 what reason can be given1 why what was borne by ,fabricius should be spoken of by any one else as unsupportable when it falls upon themselves8 ,of a piece with this is that other way of comforting1 which consists in pointing out that nothing has happened but what is common to human nature2 for this argument doth not only inform us what human nature is1 but implies that all things are tolerable which others have borne and are bearing4 ,,xxiv4 ,is poverty the subject8 they tell you of many who have submitted to it with patience4 ,is it the contempt of honours8 they acquaint you with some who never enjoyed any1 and were the happier for it2 and of those who have preferred a private retired life to public employment1 mentioning their names with respect2 they tell you of the verse7#hi7 of that most powerful king1 who praises an old man1 and pronounces him happy1 because he was unknown to fame1 and seemed likely to arrive at the hour of death in obscurity and without notice4 ,thus too they have examples for those who are deprived of their children2 they who are under any great grief are comforted by instances of like affliction2 and thus the endurance of every misfortune is rendered more easy by the fact of others having undergone the same1 and the fate of others causes what has happened to appear less important than it has been previously thought1 and reflection thus discovers to us how much opinion had imposed on us4 ,and this is what that ,telamon declares1 8,i1 when my son was born10 etc42 and thus ,theseus1 8,i on my future misery did dwell20 and ,anaxagoras1 8,i knew my son was mortal40 ,all these men1 by frequently reflecting on human affairs1 had discovered that they were by no means to be estimated by the opinion of the multitude2 and indeed it seems to me to be pretty much the same case with those who consider beforehand as with those who derive their remedies from time1 excepting that a kind of reason cures the one1 and the other remedy is provided by nature2 by which we discover 7and this contains the whole marrow of the matter7 that what was imagined to be the greatest evil1 is by no means so great as to defeat the happiness of life4 ,and the effect of this is1 that the blow is greater by reason of its not having been foreseen1 and not1 as they suppose1 that when similar misfortunes befal two different people1 that man only is affected with grief whom this calamity has befallen unexpectedly4 ,so that some persons1 under the oppression of grief1 are said to have borne it actually worse for hearing of this common condition of man1 that we are born under such conditions as render it impossible for a man to be exempt from all evil4 ,,xxv4 ,for this reason ,carneades1 as ,i see our friend ,antiochus writes1 used to blame ,chrysippus for commending these verses of ,euripides1-- ,man1 doom'd to care1 to pain1 disease1 and strife1 ,walks his short journey thro' the vale of life3 ,watchful attends the cradle and the grave1 ,and passing generations longs to save3 ,last1 dies himself3 yet wherefore should we mourn8 ,for man must to his kindred dust return2 ,submit to the destroying hand of fate1 ,as ripen'd ears the harvest-sickle wait47#ij7 ,he would not allow a speech of this kind to avail at all to the cure of our grief1 for he said it was a lamentable case itself1 that we were fallen into the hands of such a cruel fate2 and that a speech like that1 preaching up comfort from the misfortunes of another1 was a comfort adapted only to those of a malevolent disposition4 ,but to me it appears far otherwise2 for the necessity of bearing what is the common condition of humanity forbids your resisting the will of the ,gods1 and reminds you that you are a man2 which reflection greatly alleviates grief2 and the enumeration of these examples is not produced with a view to please those of a malevolent disposition1 but in order that any one in affliction may be induced to bear what he observes many others have previously borne with tranquillity and moderation4 ,for they who are falling to pieces1 and cannot hold together through the greatness of their grief1 should be supported by all kinds of assistance4 ,from whence ,chrysippus thinks that grief is called 1 as it were 1 that is to say1 a dissolution of the whole man4 ,the whole of which ,i think may be pulled up by the roots1 by explaining1 as ,i said at the beginning1 the cause of grief2 for it is nothing else but an opinion and judgment formed of a present acute evil4 ,and thus any bodily pain1 let it be ever so grievous1 may be endurable where any hopes are proposed of some considerable good2 and we receive such consolation from a virtuous and illustrious life1 that they who lead such lives are seldom attacked by grief1 or but slightly affected by it4 ,,xxvi4 ,but as besides this opinion of great evil there is this other added also1 that we ought to lament what has happened1 that it is right so to do1 and part of our duty2 then is brought about that terrible disorder of mind1 grief4 ,and it is to this opinion that we owe all those various and horrid kinds of lamentation1 that neglect of our persons1 that womanish tearing of our cheeks1 that striking on our thighs1 breasts1 and heads4 ,thus ,agamemnon1 in ,homer and in ,accius1-- ,tears in his grief his uncomb'd locks27#ia7 from whence comes that pleasant saying of ,bion1 that the foolish king in his sorrow tore away the hairs of his head1 imagining that his grief would be alleviated by baldness4 ,but men do all these things from being persuaded that they ought to do so4 ,and thus schines inveighs against ,demosthenes for sacrificing within seven days after the death of his daughter4 ,but with what eloquence1 with what fluency does he attack him6 what sentiments does he collect6 what words does he hurl against him6 ,you may see by this that an orator may do anything2 but nobody would approve of such licence if it were not that we have an idea innate in our minds1 that every good man ought to lament the loss of a relation as bitterly as possible4 ,and it is owing to this that some men1 when in sorrow1 betake themselves to deserts1 as ,homer says of ,bellerophon2-- ,distracted in his mind1 ,forsook by heaven1 forsaking human kind1 ,wide o'er the ,alean field he chose to stray1 ,a long1 forlorn1 uncomfortable way67#ib7 ,and thus ,niobe is feigned to have been turned into stone1 from her never speaking1 ,i suppose1 in her grief4 ,but they imagine ,hecuba to have been converted into a bitch1 from her rage and bitterness of mind4 ,there are others who love to converse with solitude itself1 when in grief1 as the nurse in ,ennius1-- ,fain would ,i to the heavens and earth relate ,medea's ceaseless woes and cruel fate47#ic7 ,,xxvii4 ,now all these things are done in grief1 from a persuasion of their truth1 and propriety1 and necessity2 and it is plain1 that those who behave thus1 do so from a conviction of its being their duty2 for should these mourners by chance drop their grief1 and either act or speak for a moment in a more calm or cheerful manner1 they presently check themselves and return to their lamentations again1 and blame themselves for having been guilty of any intermissions from their grief4 ,and parents and masters generally correct children not by words only1 but by blows1 if they show any levity by either word or deed when the family is under affliction1 and1 as it were1 oblige them to be sorrowful4 ,what8 does it not appear1 when you have ceased to mourn1 and have discovered that your grief has been ineffectual1 that the whole of that mourning was voluntary1 on your part8 ,what does that man say1 in ,terence1 who punishes himself1 the ,self-tormentor8 ,i think ,i do my son less harm1 ,o ,chremes1 ,as long as ,i myself am miserable4 ,he determines to be miserable3 and can any one determine on anything against his will8 ,i well might think that ,i deserved all evil4 ,he would think he deserved any misfortune1 were he otherwise than miserable6 ,therefore1 you see the evil is in opinion1 not in nature4 ,how is it1 when some things do of themselves prevent your grieving at them8 as in ,homer1 so many died and were buried daily1 that they had not leisure to grieve3 where you find these lines1-- ,the great1 the bold1 by thousands daily fall1 ,and endless were the grief to weep for all4 ,eternal sorrows what avails to shed8 ,greece honours not with solemn fasts the dead3 ,enough when death demands the brave to pay ,the tribute of a melancholy day4 ,one chief with patience to the grave resign'd1 ,our care devolves on others left behind47#id7 ,therefore it is in our own power to lay aside grief upon occasion2 and is there any opportunity 7seeing the thing is in our own power7 that we should let slip of getting rid of care and grief8 ,it was plain1 that the friends of ,cnus ,pompeius1 when they saw him fainting under his wounds1 at the very moment of that most miserable and bitter sight were under great uneasiness how they themselves1 surrounded by the enemy as they were1 should escape1 and were employed in nothing but encouraging the rowers and aiding their escape2 but when they reached ,tyre1 they began to grieve and lament over him4 ,therefore1 as fear with them prevailed over grief1 cannot reason and true philosophy have the same effect with a wise man8 ,,xxviii4 ,but what is there more effectual to dispel grief than the discovery that it answers no purpose1 and has been undergone to no account8 ,therefore1 if we can get rid of it1 we need never have been subject to it4 ,it must be acknowledged1 then1 that men take up grief wilfully and knowingly2 and this appears from the patience of those who1 after they have been exercised in afflictions and are better able to bear whatever befals them1 suppose themselves hardened against fortune2 as that person in ,euripides-- ,had this the first essay of fortune been1 ,and ,i no storms thro' all my life had seen1 ,wild as a colt ,i'd broke from reason's sway2 ,but frequent griefs have taught me to obey47#ie7 ,as1 then1 the frequent bearing of misery makes grief the lighter1 we must necessarily perceive that the cause and original of it does not lie in the calamity itself4 ,your principal philosophers1 or lovers of wisdom1 though they have not yet arrived at perfect wisdom1 are not they sensible that they are in the greatest evil8 ,for they are foolish1 and foolishness is the greatest of all evils1 and yet they lament not4 ,how shall we account for this8 ,because opinion is not fixed upon that kind of evil2 it is not our opinion that it is right1 meet1 and our duty to be uneasy because we are not all wise men4 ,whereas this opinion is strongly affixed to that uneasiness where mourning is concerned1 which is the greatest of all grief4 ,therefore ,aristotle1 when he blames some ancient philosophers for imagining that by their genius they had brought philosophy to the highest perfection1 says1 they must be either extremely foolish or extremely vain2 but that he himself could see that great improvements had been made therein in a few years1 and that philosophy would in a little time arrive at perfection4 ,and ,theophrastus is reported to have reproached nature at his death for giving to stags and crows so long a life1 which was of no use to them1 but allowing only so short a span to men1 to whom length of days would have been of the greatest use2 for if the life of man could have been lengthened1 it would have been able to provide itself with all kinds of learning1 and with arts in the greatest perfection4 ,he lamented1 therefore1 that he was dying just when he had begun to discover these4 ,what8 does not every grave and distinguished philosopher acknowledge himself ignorant of many things1 and confess that there are many things which he must learn over and over again8 and yet1 though these men are sensible that they are standing still in the very midway of folly1 than which nothing can be worse1 they are under no great affliction1 because no opinion that it is their duty to lament is ever mingled with this knowledge4 ,what shall we say of those who think it unbecoming in a man to grieve8 amongst whom we may reckon ,q4 ,maximus1 when he buried his son that had been consul1 and ,l4 ,paulus1 who lost two sons within a few days of one another4 ,of the same opinion was ,m4 ,cato1 who lost his son just after he had been elected prtor1 and many others1 whose names ,i have collected in my book on ,consolation4 ,now what made these men so easy1 but their persuasion that grief and lamentation was not becoming in a man8 ,therefore1 as some give themselves up to grief from an opinion that it is right so to do1 they refrained themselves1 from an opinion that it was discreditable2 from which we may infer that grief is owing more to opinion than nature4 ,,xxix4 ,it may be said1 on the other side1 ,who is so mad as to grieve of his own accord8 ,pain proceeds from nature2 which you must submit to1 say they1 agreeably to what even your own ,crantor teaches1 for it presses and gains upon you unavoidably1 and cannot possibly be resisted4 ,so that the very same ,oileus1 in ,sophocles1 who had before comforted ,telamon on the death of ,ajax1 on hearing of the death of his own son is broken-hearted4 ,on this alteration of his mind we have these lines3-- ,show me the man so well by wisdom taught ,that what he charges to another's fault1 ,when like affliction doth himself betide1 ,true to his own wise counsel will abide47#if7 ,now when they urge these things1 their endeavour is to prove that nature is absolutely and wholly irresistible2 and yet the same people allow that we take greater grief on ourselves than nature requires4 ,what madness is it then in us to require the same from others8 ,but there are many reasons for our taking grief on us4 ,the first is from the opinion of some evil1 on the discovery and certainty of which grief comes of course4 ,besides1 many people are persuaded that they are doing something very acceptable to the dead when they lament bitterly over them4 ,to these may be added a kind of womanish superstition1 in imagining that when they have been stricken by the afflictions sent by the gods1 to acknowledge themselves afflicted and humbled by them is the readiest way of appeasing them4 ,but most men appear to be unaware what contradictions these things are full of4 ,they commend those who die calmly1 but they blame those who can bear the loss of another with the same calmness1 as if it were possible that it should be true1 as is occasionally said in love speeches1 that any one can love another more than himself4 ,there is1 indeed1 something excellent in this1 and1 if you examine it1 something no less just than true1 that we love those who ought to be most dear to us as well as we love ourselves2 but to love them more than ourselves is absolutely impossible2 nor is it desirable in friendship that ,i should love my friend more than myself1 or that he should love me so2 for this would occasion much confusion in life1 and break in upon all the duties of it4 ,,xxx4 ,but we will speak of this another time3 at present it is sufficient not to attribute our misery to the loss of our friends1 nor to love them more than1 if they themselves could be sensible of our conduct1 they would approve of1 or at least not more than we do ourselves4 ,now as to what they say1 that some are not at all appeased by our consolations2 and moreover as to what they add1 that the comforters themselves acknowledge they are miserable when fortune varies the attack and falls on them1--in both these cases the solution is easy3 for the fault here is not in nature1 but in our own folly2 and much may be said against folly4 ,but men who do not admit of consolation seem to bespeak misery for themselves2 and they who cannot bear their misfortunes with that temper which they recommend to others1 are not more faulty in this particular than most other persons2 for we see that covetous men find fault with others who are covetous2 as do the vain-glorious with those who appear too wholly devoted to the pursuit of glory4 ,for it is the peculiar characteristic of folly to perceive the vices of others1 but to forget its own4 ,but since we find that grief is removed by length of time1 we have the greatest proof that the strength of it depends not merely on time1 but on the daily consideration of it4 ,for if the cause continues the same1 and the man be the same1 how can there be any alteration in the grief1 if there is no change in what occasioned the grief1 nor in him who grieves8 ,therefore it is from daily reflecting that there is no real evil in the circumstance for which you grieve1 and not from the length of time1 that you procure a remedy for your grief4 ,,xxxi4 ,here some people talk of moderate grief2 but if such be natural1 what occasion is there for consolation8 for nature herself will determine the measure of it2 but if it depends on and is caused by opinion1 the whole opinion should be destroyed4 ,i think that it has been sufficiently said1 that grief arises from an opinion of some present evil1 which includes this belief1 that it is incumbent on us to grieve4 ,to this definition ,zeno has added very justly1 that the opinion of this present evil should be recent4 ,now this word recent they explain thus2--those are not the only recent things which happened a little while ago1 but as long as there shall be any force or vigour or freshness in that imagined evil1 so long it is entitled to the name of recent4 ,take the case of ,artemisia1 the wife of ,mausolus king of ,caria1 who made that noble sepulchre at ,halicarnassus2 whilst she lived she lived in grief1 and died of it1 being worn out by it1 for that opinion was always recent with her3 but you cannot call that recent1 which has already begun to decay through time4 ,now the duty of a comforter is1 to remove grief entirely1 to quiet it1 or draw it off as much as you can1 or else to keep it under1 and prevent its spreading any further1 and to divert one's attention to other matters4 ,there are some who think with ,cleanthes1 that the only duty of a comforter is to prove1 that what one is lamenting is by no means an evil4 ,others1 as the ,peripatetics1 prefer urging that the evil is not great4 ,others1 with ,epicurus1 seek to divert your attention from the evil to good3 some think it sufficient to show1 that nothing has happened but what you had reason to expect1 and this is the practice of the ,cyrenaics4 ,but ,chrysippus thinks that the main thing in comforting is1 to remove the opinion from the person who is grieving1 that to grieve is his bounden duty4 ,there are others who bring together all these various kinds of consolations1 for people are differently affected2 as ,i have done myself in my book on ,consolation3 for as my own mind was much disordered1 ,i have attempted in that book to discover every method of cure4 ,but the proper season is as much to be attended to in the cure of the mind1 as of the body2 as ,prometheus in schylus1 on its being said to him1 ,i think1 ,prometheus1 you this tenet hold1 ,that all men's reason should their rage control2 answers1 ,yes1 when one reason properly applies2 ,ill-timed advice will make the storm but rise47#ig7 ,,xxxii4 ,but the principal medicine to be applied in consolation1 is to maintain either that it is no evil at all1 or a very inconsiderable one3 the next best to that is1 to speak of the common condition of life1 having a view1 if possible1 to the state of the person whom you comfort particularly4 ,the third is1 that it is folly to wear oneself out with grief which can avail nothing4 ,for the comfort of ,cleanthes is suitable only for a wise man1 who is in no need of any comfort at all2 for could you persuade one in grief1 that nothing is an evil but what is base1 you would not only cure him of grief1 but folly4 ,but the time for such precepts is not well chosen4 ,besides1 ,cleanthes does not seem to me sufficiently aware that affliction may very often proceed from that very thing which he himself allows to be the greatest misfortune4 ,for what shall we say8 ,when ,socrates had convinced ,alcibiades1 as we are told1 that he had no distinctive qualifications as a man different from other people1 and that in fact there was no difference betwixt him1 though a man of the highest rank1 and a porter2 and when ,alcibiades became uneasy at this1 and entreated ,socrates1 with tears in his eyes1 to make him a man of virtue1 and to cure him of that mean position2 what shall we say to this1 ,cleanthes8 ,was there no evil in what afflicted ,alcibiades thus8 ,what strange things does ,lycon say8 who1 making light of grief1 says that it arises from trifles1 from things that affect our fortune or bodies1 not from the evils of the mind4 ,what1 then--did not the grief of ,alcibiades proceed from the defects and evils of the mind8 ,i have already said enough of ,epicurus's consolation4 ,,xxxiii4 ,nor is that consolation much to be relied on1 though it is frequently practised1 and sometimes has some effect1 namely1 8,that you are not alone in this40--,it has its effect1 as ,i said1 but not always1 nor with every person2 for some reject it1 but much depends on the application of it2 for you ought rather to show1 not how men in general have been affected with such evils1 but how men of sense have borne them4 ,as to ,chrysippus's method1 it is certainly founded in truth2 but it is difficult to apply it in time of distress4 ,it is a work of no small difficulty to persuade a person in affliction that he grieves1 merely because he thinks it right so to do4 ,certainly then1 as in pleadings we do not state all cases alike1 7if ,i may adopt the language of lawyers for a moment17 but adapt what we have to say to the time1 to the nature of the subject under debate1 and to the person2 so too in alleviating grief1 regard should be had to what kind of cure the party to be comforted can admit of4 ,but1 somehow or other1 we have rambled from what you originally proposed4 ,for your question was concerning a wise man1 with whom nothing can have the appearance of evil1 that is not dishonourable3 or at least1 anything else would seem so small an evil1 that by his wisdom he would so over-match it1 as to make it wholly disappear2 and such a man makes no addition to his grief through opinion1 and never conceives it right to torment himself above measure1 nor to wear himself out with grief1 which is the meanest thing imaginable4 ,reason1 however1 it seems1 has demonstrated1 7though it was not directly our object at the moment to inquire whether anything can be called an evil except what is base17 that it is in our power to discern1 that all the evil which there is in affliction has nothing natural in it1 but is contracted by our own voluntary judgment of it1 and the error of opinion4 ,,xxxiv4 ,but the kind of affliction of which ,i have treated is that which is the greatest2 in order that when we have once got rid of that1 it may appear a business of less consequence to look after remedies for the others4 ,for there are certain things which are usually said about poverty2 and also certain statements ordinarily applied to retired and undistinguished life4 ,there are particular treatises on banishment1 on the ruin of one's country1 on slavery1 on weakness1 on blindness1 and on every incident that can come under the name of an evil4 ,the ,greeks divide these into different treatises and distinct books3 but they do it for the sake of employment3 not but that all such discussions are full of entertainment2 and yet1 as physicians1 in curing the whole body1 attend to even the most insignificant part of the body which is at all disordered1 so does philosophy act1 after it has removed grief in general1 7still if any other deficiency exists1 should poverty bite1 should ignominy sting1 should banishment bring a dark cloud over us1 or should any of those things which ,i have just mentioned appear17--there is for each its appropriate consolation3 which you shall hear whenever you please4 ,but we must have recourse again to the same original principle1 that a wise man is free from all sorrow1 because it is vain1 because it answers no purpose1 because it is not founded in nature1 but on opinion and prejudice1 and is engendered by a kind of invitation to grieve1 when once men have imagined that it is their duty to do so4 ,when then we have subtracted what is altogether voluntary1 that mournful uneasiness will be removed2 yet some little anxiety1 some slight pricking will still remain4 ,they may indeed call this natural1 provided they give it not that horrid1 solemn1 melancholy name of grief1 which can by no means consist with wisdom4 ,but how various1 and how bitter1 are the roots of grief6 ,whatever they are1 ,i propose1 after having felled the trunk1 to destroy them all2 even if it should be necessary1 by allotting a separate dissertation to each1 for ,i have leisure enough to do so1 whatever time it may take up4 ,but the principle of every uneasiness is the same1 though they may appear under different names4 ,for envy is an uneasiness2 so are emulation1 detraction1 anguish1 sorrow1 sadness1 tribulation1 lamentation1 vexation1 grief1 trouble1 affliction1 and despair4 ,the ,stoics define all these different feelings1 and all those words which ,i have mentioned belong to different things1 and do not1 as they seem1 express the same ideas2 but they are to a certain extent distinct1 as ,i shall make appear perhaps in another place4 ,these are those fibres of the roots1 which1 as ,i said at first1 must be traced back and cut off1 and destroyed1 so that not one shall remain4 ,you say it is a great and difficult undertaking3--who denies it8 ,but what is there of any excellency which has not its difficulty8--,yet philosophy undertakes to effect it1 provided we admit its superintendence4 ,but enough of this3 the other books1 whenever you please1 shall be ready for you here1 or any where else4 ,book ,,iv4 ,on ,other ,perturbations ,of ,the ,mind4 ,i4 ,i have often wondered1 ,brutus1 on many occasions1 at the ingenuity and virtues of our countrymen2 but nothing has surprised me more than their development in those studies1 which1 though they came somewhat late to us1 have been transported into this city from ,greece4 ,for the system of auspices1 and religious ceremonies1 and courts of justice1 and appeals to the people1 the senate1 the establishment of an army of cavalry and infantry1 and the whole military discipline1 were instituted as early as the foundation of the city by royal authority1 partly too by laws1 not without the assistance of the ,gods4 ,then with what a surprising and incredible progress did our ancestors advance towards all kind of excellence1 when once the republic was freed from the regal power6 ,not that this is a proper occasion to treat of the manners and customs of our ancestors1 or of the discipline and constitution of the city2 for ,i have elsewhere1 particularly in the six books ,i wrote on the ,republic1 given a sufficiently accurate account of them4 ,but whilst ,i am on this subject1 and considering the study of philosophy1 ,i meet with many reasons to imagine that those studies were brought to us from abroad1 and not merely imported1 but preserved and improved2 for they had ,pythagoras1 a man of consummate wisdom and nobleness of character1 in a manner1 before their eyes2 who was in ,italy at the time that ,lucius ,brutus1 the illustrious founder of your nobility1 delivered his country from tyranny4 ,as the doctrine of ,pythagoras spread itself on all sides1 it seems probable to me1 that it reached this city2 and this is not only probable of itself1 but it does really appear to have been the case from many remains of it4 ,for who can imagine that1 when it flourished so much in that part of ,italy which was called ,magna ,grcia1 and in some of the largest and most powerful cities1 in which1 first the name of ,pythagoras1 and then that of those men who were afterwards his followers1 was in so high esteem2 who can imagine1 ,i say1 that our people could shut their ears to what was said by such learned men8 ,besides1 it is even my opinion1 that it was the great esteem in which the ,pythagoreans were held1 that gave rise to that opinion amongst those who came after him1 that king ,numa was a ,pythagorean4 ,for1 being acquainted with the doctrine and principles of ,pythagoras1 and having heard from their ancestors that this king was a very wise and just man1 and not being able to distinguish accurately between times and periods that were so remote1 they inferred from his being so eminent for his wisdom1 that he had been a pupil of ,pythagoras4 ,,ii4 ,so far we proceed on conjecture4 ,as to the vestiges of the ,pythagoreans1 though ,i might collect many1 ,i shall use but a few2 because they have no connexion1 with our present purpose4 ,for1 as it is reported to have been a custom with them to deliver certain precepts in a more abstruse manner in verse1 and to bring their minds from severe thought to a more composed state by songs and musical instruments2 so ,cato1 a writer of the very highest authority1 says in his ,origins1 that it was customary with our ancestors for the guests at their entertainments1 every one in his turn1 to celebrate the praises and virtues of illustrious men in song to the sound of the flute2 from whence it is clear that poems and songs were then composed for the voice4 ,and1 indeed1 it is also clear that poetry was in fashion from the laws of the ,twelve ,tables1 wherein it is provided1 that no song should be made to the injury of another4 ,another argument of the erudition of those times is1 that they played on instruments before the shrines of their ,gods1 and at the entertainments of their magistrates2 but that custom was peculiar to the sect ,i am speaking of4 ,to me1 indeed1 that poem of ,appius ,ccus1 which ,pantius commends so much in a certain letter of his which is addressed to ,quintus ,tubero1 has all the marks of a ,pythagorean author4 ,we have many things derived from the ,pythagoreans in our customs2 which ,i pass over1 that we may not seem to have learned that elsewhere which we look upon ourselves as the inventors of4 ,but to return to our purpose4 ,how many great poets as well as orators have sprung up among us6 and in what a short time6 so that it is evident that our people could arrive at any learning as soon as they had an inclination for it4 ,but of other studies ,i shall speak elsewhere if there is occasion1 as ,i have already often done4 ,,iii4 ,the study of philosophy is certainly of long standing with us2 but yet ,i do not find that ,i can give you the names of any philosopher before the age of ,llius and ,scipio3 in whose younger days we find that ,diogenes the ,stoic1 and ,carneades the ,academic1 were sent as ambassadors by the ,athenians to our senate4 ,and as these had never been concerned in public affairs1 and one of them was a ,cyrenean1 the other a ,babylonian1 they certainly would never have been forced from their studies1 nor chosen for that employment1 unless the study of philosophy had been in vogue with some of the great men at that time2 who1 though they might employ their pens on other subjects1 some on civil law1 others on oratory1 others on the history of former times1 yet promoted this most extensive of all arts1 the principle of living well1 even more by their life than by their writings4 ,so that of that true and elegant philosophy1 7which was derived from ,socrates1 and is still preserved by the ,peripatetics1 and by the ,stoics1 though they express themselves differently in their disputes with the ,academics17 there are few or no ,latin records2 whether this proceeds from the importance of the thing itself1 or from men's being otherwise employed1 or from their concluding that the capacity of the people was not equal to the apprehension of them4 ,but1 during this silence1 ,c4 ,amafinius arose and took upon himself to speak2 on the publishing of whose writings the people were moved1 and enlisted themselves chiefly under this sect1 either because the doctrine was more easily understood1 or because they were invited thereto by the pleasing thoughts of amusement1 or that1 because there was nothing better1 they laid hold of what was offered them4 ,and after ,amafinius1 when many of the same sentiments had written much about them1 the ,pythagoreans spread over all ,italy3 but that these doctrines should be so easily understood and approved of by the unlearned1 is a great proof that they were not written with any great subtlety1 and they think their establishment to be owing to this4 ,,iv4 ,but let every one defend his own opinion1 for every one is at liberty to choose what he likes2 ,i shall keep to my old custom2 and being under no restraint from the laws of any particular school1 which in philosophy every one must necessarily confine himself to1 ,i shall always inquire what has the most probability in every question1 and this system1 which ,i have often practised on other occasions1 ,i have adhered closely to in my ,tusculan ,disputations4 ,therefore1 as ,i have acquainted you with the disputations of the three former days1 this book shall conclude the discussion of the fourth day4 ,when we had come down into the ,academy1 as we had done the former days1 the business was carried on thus4 ,m4 ,let any one say1 who pleases1 what he would wish to have discussed4 ,a4 ,i do not think a wise man can possibly be free from every perturbation of mind4 ,m4 ,he seemed by yesterday's discourse to be free from grief2 unless you agreed with us only to avoid taking up time4 ,a4 ,not at all on that account1 for ,i was extremely satisfied with your discourse4 ,m4 ,you do not think1 then1 that a wise man is subject to grief8 ,a4 ,no1 by no means4 ,m4 ,but if that cannot disorder the mind of a wise man1 nothing else can4 ,for what8 can such a man be disturbed by fear8 ,fear proceeds from the same things when absent1 which occasion grief when present4 ,take away grief then1 and you remove fear4 ,the two remaining perturbations are1 a joy elate above measure1 and lust2 and1 if a wise man is not subject to these1 his mind will be always at rest4 ,a4 ,i am entirely of that opinion4 ,m4 ,which1 then1 shall we do8 shall ,i immediately crowd all my sails8 or shall ,i make use of my oars1 as if ,i were just endeavouring to get clear of the harbour8 ,a4 ,what is it that you mean2 for ,i do not exactly comprehend you8 ,v4 ,m4 ,because1 ,chrysippus and the ,stoics1 when they discuss the perturbations of the mind1 make great part of their debate to consist in definitions and distinctions2 while they employ but few words on the subject of curing the mind1 and preventing it from being disordered4 ,whereas the ,peripatetics bring a great many things to promote the cure of it1 but have no regard to their thorny partitions and definitions4--,my question1 then1 was1 whether ,i should instantly unfold the sails of my eloquence1 or be content for a while to make less way with the oars of logic8 ,a4 ,let it be so2 for by the employment of both these means the subject of our inquiry will be more thoroughly discussed4 ,m4 ,it is certainly the better way2 and should anything be too obscure1 you may examine that afterwards4 ,a4 ,i will do so2 but those very obscure points1 you will1 as usual1 deliver with more clearness than the ,greeks4 ,m4 ,i will indeed endeavour to do so2 but it well requires great attention1 lest1 by losing one word1 the whole should escape you4 ,what the ,greeks call 1 we choose to name perturbations 7or disorders7 rather than diseases2 in explaining which1 ,i shall follow1 first1 that very old description of ,pythagoras1 and afterwards that of ,plato2 for they both divide the mind into two parts1 and make one of these partake of reason1 and the other they represent without it4 ,in that which partakes of reason they place tranquillity1 that is to say1 a placid and undisturbed constancy2 to the other they assign the turbid motions of anger and desire1 which are contrary and opposite to reason4 ,let this1 then1 be our principle1 the spring of all our reasonings4 ,but notwithstanding1 ,i shall use the partitions and definitions of the ,stoics in describing these perturbations2 who seem to me to have shown very great acuteness on this question4 ,,vi4 ,zeno's definition1 then1 is this3 8a perturbation0 7which he calls a 7 8is a commotion of the mind repugnant to reason1 and against nature40 ,some of them define it even more briefly1 saying that a perturbation is a somewhat too vehement appetite2 but by too vehement they mean an appetite that recedes further from the constancy of nature4 ,but they would have the divisions of perturbations to arise from two imagined goods1 and from two imagined evils2 and thus they become four3 from the good proceed lust and joy--joy having reference to some present good1 and lust to some future one4 ,they suppose fear and grief to proceed from evils3 fear from something future1--grief from something present2 for whatever things are dreaded as approaching1 always occasion grief when present4 ,but joy and lust depend on the opinion of good2 as lust1 being inflamed and provoked1 is carried on eagerly towards what has the appearance of good2 and joy is transported and exults on obtaining what was desired3 for we naturally pursue those things that have the appearance of good1 and avoid the contrary4 ,wherefore1 as soon as anything that has the appearance of good presents itself1 nature incites us to endeavour to obtain it4 ,now1 where this strong desire is consistent and founded on prudence1 it is by the ,stoics called 1 and the name which we give it is volition2 and this they allow to none but their wise man1 and define it thus3 ,volition is a reasonable desire2 but whatever is incited too violently in opposition to reason1 that is a lust1 or an unbridled desire1 which is discoverable in all fools4--,and1 therefore1 when we are affected so as to be placed in any good condition1 we are moved in two ways2 for when the mind is moved in a placid and calm motion1 consistent with reason1 that is called joy2 but when it exults with a vain1 wanton exultation1 or immoderate joy1 then that feeling may be called immoderate ecstasy or transport1 which they define to be an elation of the mind without reason4--,and as we naturally desire good things1 so in like manner we naturally seek to avoid what is evil2 and this avoidance of which1 if conducted in accordance with reason1 is called caution2 and this the wise man alone is supposed to have3 but that caution which is not under the guidance of reason1 but is attended with a base and low dejection1 is called fear4--,fear is1 therefore1 caution destitute of reason4 ,but a wise man is not affected by any present evil2 while the grief of a fool proceeds from being affected with an imaginary evil1 by which his mind is contracted and sunk1 since it is not under the dominion of reason4 ,this1 then1 is the first definition1 which makes grief to consist in a shrinking of the mind1 contrary to the dictates of reason4 ,thus1 there are four perturbations1 and but three calm rational emotions2 for grief has no exact opposite4 ,,vii4 ,but they insist upon it that all perturbations depend on opinion and judgment2 therefore they define them more strictly1 in order not only the better to show how blameable they are1 but to discover how much they are in our power4 ,grief1 then is a recent opinion of some present evil1 in which it seems to be right that the mind should shrink and be dejected4 ,joy is a recent opinion of a present good1 in which it seems to be right that the mind should be elated4 ,fear is an opinion of an impending evil1 which we apprehend will be intolerable4 ,lust is an opinion of a good to come1 which would be of advantage were it already come1 and present with us4 ,but however ,i have named the judgments and opinions of perturbations1 their meaning is1 not that merely the perturbations consist in them1 but that the effects likewise of these perturbations do so2 as grief occasions a kind of painful pricking1 and fear engenders a recoil or sudden abandonment of the mind2 joy gives rise to a profuse mirth1 while lust is the parent of an unbridled habit of coveting4 ,but that imagination1 which ,i have included in all the above definitions1 they would have to consist in assenting without warrantable grounds4 ,now1 every perturbation has many subordinate parts annexed to it of the same kind4 ,grief is attended with enviousness 7invidentia7--,i use that word for instruction sake1 though it is not so common2 because envy 7invidia7 takes in not only the person who envies1 but the person too who is envied2--emulation1 detraction1 pity1 vexation1 mourning1 sadness1 tribulation1 sorrow1 lamentation1 solicitude1 disquiet of mind1 pain1 despair1 and many other similar feelings1 are so too4 ,under fear are comprehended sloth1 shame1 terror1 cowardice1 fainting1 confusion1 astonishment4--,in pleasure they comprehend malevolence1 that is pleased at another's misfortune1 delight1 boastfulness1 and the like4 ,to lust they associate anger1 fury1 hatred1 enmity1 discord1 wants1 desire1 and other feelings of that kind4 ,but they define these in this manner3 ,,viii4 ,enviousness 7invidentia71 they say1 is a grief arising from the prosperous circumstances of another1 which are in no degree injurious to the person who envies3 for where any one grieves at the prosperity of another1 by which he is injured1 such a one is not properly said to envy1--as when ,agamemnon grieves at ,hector's success2 but where any one1 who is in no way hurt by the prosperity of another1 is in pain at his success1 such an one envies indeed4 ,now the name emulation is taken in a double sense1 so that the same word may stand for praise and dispraise3 for the imitation of virtue is called emulation--7however1 that sense of it ,i shall have no occasion for here1 for that carries praise with it72--but emulation is also a term applied to grief at another's enjoying what ,i desired to have1 and am without4 ,detraction 7and ,i mean by that1 jealousy7 is a grief even at another's enjoying what ,i had a great inclination for4 ,pity is a grief at the misery of another who suffers wrongfully2 for no one is moved by pity at the punishment of a parricide1 or of a betrayer of his country4 ,vexation is a pressing grief4 ,mourning is a grief at the bitter death of one who was dear to you4 ,sadness is a grief attended with tears4 ,tribulation is a painful grief4 ,sorrow1 an excruciating grief4 ,lamentation1 a grief where we loudly bewail ourselves4 ,solicitude1 a pensive grief4 ,trouble1 a continued grief4 ,affliction1 a grief that harasses the body4 ,despair1 a grief that excludes all hope of better things to come4 ,but those feelings which are included under fear1 they define thus3--,there is sloth1 which is a dread of some ensuing labour3 shame and terror1 which affect the body2 hence blushing attends shame2 a paleness1 and tremor1 and chattering of the teeth1 attend terror3 cowardice1 which is an apprehension of some approaching evil3 dread1 a fear that unhinges the mind2 whence comes that line of ,ennius1-- ,then dread discharged all wisdom from my mind3 fainting is the associate and constant attendant on dread3 confusion1 a fear that drives away all thought3 alarm1 a continued fear4 ,,ix4 ,the different species into which they divide pleasure come under this description2 so that malevolence is a pleasure in the misfortunes of another1 without any advantage to yourself3 delight1 a pleasure that soothes the mind by agreeable impressions on the ear4 ,what is said of the ear1 may be applied to the sight1 to the touch1 smell1 and taste4 ,all feelings of this kind are a sort of melting pleasure that dissolves the mind4 ,boastfulness is a pleasure that consists in making an appearance1 and setting off yourself with insolence4--,the subordinate species of lust they define in this manner4 ,anger is a lust of punishing any one who1 as we imagine1 has injured us without cause4 ,heat is anger just forming and beginning to exist1 which the ,greeks call 4 ,hatred is a settled anger4 ,enmity is anger waiting for an opportunity of revenge4 ,discord is a sharper anger conceived deeply in the mind and heart4 ,want1 an insatiable lust4 ,regret is when one eagerly wishes to see a person who is absent4 ,now here they have a distinction2 so that with them regret is a lust conceived on hearing of certain things reported of some one1 or of many1 which the ,greeks call 1 or predicaments2 as that they are in possession of riches and honours3 but want is a lust for those very honours and riches4--,but these definers make intemperance the fountain of all these perturbations2 which is an absolute revolt from the mind and right reason3 a state so averse to all rules of reason1 that the appetites of the mind can by no means be governed and restrained4 ,as1 therefore1 temperance appeases these desires1 making them obey right reason1 and maintains the well-weighed judgments of the mind2 so intemperance1 which is in opposition to this1 inflames1 confounds1 and puts every state of the mind into a violent motion4 ,thus1 grief and fear1 and every other perturbation of the mind1 have their rise from intemperance4 ,x4 ,just as distempers and sickness are bred in the body from the corruption of the blood1 and the too great abundance of phlegm and bile2 so the mind is deprived of its health1 and disordered with sickness1 from a confusion of depraved opinions1 that are in opposition to one another4 ,from these perturbations arise1 first1 diseases1 which they call 2 and also those feelings which are in opposition to these diseases1 and which admit certain faulty distastes or loathings2 then come sicknesses1 which are called by the ,stoics2 and these two have their opposite aversions4 ,here the ,stoics1 especially ,chrysippus1 give themselves unnecessary trouble to show the analogy which the diseases of the mind have to those of the body3 but1 overlooking all that they say as of little consequence1 ,i shall treat only of the thing itself4 ,let us then understand perturbation to imply a restlessness from the variety and confusion of contradictory opinions2 and that when this heat and disturbance of the mind is of any standing1 and has taken up its residence1 as it were1 in the veins and marrow1 then commence diseases and sickness1 and those aversions which are in opposition to these diseases and sicknesses4 ,,xi4 ,what ,i say here may be distinguished in thought1 though they are in fact the same2 inasmuch as they both have their rise from lust and joy4 ,for should money be the object of our desire1 and should we not instantly apply to reason1 as if it were a kind of ,socratic medicine to heal this desire1 the evil glides into our veins1 and cleaves to our bowels1 and from thence proceeds a distemper or sickness1 which1 when it is of any continuance1 is incurable1 and the name of this disease is covetousness4 ,it is the same with other diseases2 as the desire of glory1 a passion for women1 to which the ,greeks give the name of 2 and thus all other diseases and sicknesses are generated4 ,but those feelings1 which are the contrary of these1 are supposed to have fear for their foundation1 as a hatred of women1 such as is displayed in the ,woman-hater of ,atilius3 or the hatred of the whole human species1 as ,timon is reported to have done1 whom they called the ,misanthrope4 ,of the same kind is inhospitality2 and all these diseases proceed from a certain dread of such things as they hate and avoid4 ,but they define sickness of mind to be an overweening opinion1 and that fixed and deeply implanted in the heart1 of something as very desirable1 which is by no means so4 ,what proceeds from aversion1 they define thus3 a vehement idea of something to be avoided1 deeply implanted1 and inherent in our minds1 when there is no reason for avoiding it2 and this kind of opinion is a deliberate belief that one understands things of which one is wholly ignorant4 ,now1 sickness of the mind has all these subordinate divisions1 avarice1 ambition1 fondness for women1 obstinacy1 gluttony1 drunkenness1 covetousness1 and other similar vices4 ,but avarice is a violent opinion about money1 as if it were vehemently to be desired and sought after1 which opinion is deeply implanted and inherent in our minds2 and the definition of all the other similar feelings resembles these4 ,but the definitions of aversions are of this sort2 inhospitality is a vehement opinion1 deeply implanted and inherent in your mind1 that you should avoid a stranger4 ,thus too the hatred of women1 like that felt by ,hippolytus1 is defined1 and the hatred of the human species like that displayed by ,timon4 ,,xii4 ,but to come to the analogy of the state of body and mind1 which ,i shall sometimes make use of1 though more sparingly than the ,stoics3 some men are more inclined to particular disorders than others4 ,and1 therefore1 we say1 that some people are rheumatic1 others dropsical1 not because they are so at present1 but because they are often so3 some are inclined to fear1 others to some other perturbation4 ,thus in some there is a continual anxiety1 owing to which they are anxious2 in some a hastiness of temper1 which differs from anger1 as anxiety differs from anguish3 for all are not anxious who are sometimes vexed2 nor are they who are anxious always uneasy in that manner3 as there is a difference betwixt being drunk1 and drunkenness2 and it is one thing to be a lover1 another to be given to women4 ,and this disposition of particular people to particular disorders is very common3 for it relates to all perturbations2 it appears in many vices1 though it has no name3 some are therefore said to be envious1 malevolent1 spiteful1 fearful1 pitiful1 from a propensity to those perturbations1 not from their being always carried away by them4 ,now this propensity to these particular disorders may be called a sickness1 from analogy with the body2 meaning1 that is to say1 nothing more than a propensity towards sickness4 ,but with regard to whatever is good1 as some are more inclined to different good qualities than others1 we may call this a facility or tendency3 this tendency to evil is a proclivity or inclination to falling3 but where anything is neither good nor bad1 it may have the former name4 ,,xiii4 ,even as there may be1 with respect to the body1 a disease1 a sickness1 and a defect2 so it is with the mind4 ,they call that a disease where the whole body is corrupted3 they call that sickness1 where a disease is attended with a weakness3 and that a defect1 where the parts of the body are not well compacted together2 from whence it follows1 that the members are mis-shapen1 crooked1 and deformed4 ,so that these two1 a disease and sickness1 proceed from a violent concussion and perturbation of the health of the whole body2 but a defect discovers itself1 even when the body is in perfect health4 ,but a disease of the mind is distinguishable only in thought from a sickness4 ,but a viciousness is a habit or affection discordant and inconsistent with itself through life4 ,thus it happens1 that in the one case a disease and sickness may arise from a corruption of opinions2 in the other case the consequence may be inconstancy and inconsistency4 ,for every vice of the mind does not imply a disunion of parts2 as is the case with those who are not far from being wise men3 with them there is that affection which is inconsistent with itself whilst it is foolish1 but it is not distorted1 nor depraved4 ,but diseases and sicknesses are parts of viciousness3 but it is a question whether perturbations are parts of the same3 for vices are permanent affections3 perturbations are such as are restless2 so that they cannot be parts of permanent ones4 ,as there is some analogy between the nature of the body and mind in evil1 so is there in good3 for the distinctions of the body are beauty1 strength1 health1 firmness1 quickness of motion2 the same may be said of the mind4 ,the body is said to be in a good state1 when all those things on which health depends are consistent3 the same may be said of the mind1 when its judgments and opinions are not at variance with one another4 ,and this union is the virtue of the mind3 which1 according to some people1 is temperance itself2 others make it consist in an obedience to the precepts of temperance1 and a compliance with them1 not allowing it to be any distinct species of itself3 but be it one or the other1 it is to be found only in a wise man4 ,but there is a certain soundness of mind1 which even a fool may have1 when the perturbation of his mind is removed by the care and management of his physicians4 ,and1 as what is called beauty arises from an exact proportion of the limbs1 together with a certain sweetness of complexion1 so the beauty of the mind consists in an equality and constancy of opinions and judgments1 joined to a certain firmness and stability1 pursuing virtue1 or containing within itself the very essence of virtue4 ,besides1 we give the very same names to the faculties of the mind1 as we do to the powers of the body1 the nerves1 and other powers of action4 ,thus the velocity of the body is called swiftness3 a praise which we ascribe to the mind1 from its running over in its thoughts so many things in so short a time4 ,,xiv4 ,herein indeed the mind and body are unlike3 that though the mind when in perfect health may be visited by sickness1 as the body may1 yet the body may be disordered without our fault1 the mind cannot4 ,for all the disorders and perturbations of the mind proceed from a neglect of reason2 these disorders1 therefore1 are confined to men2 the beasts are not subject to such perturbations1 though they act sometimes as if they had reason4 ,there is a difference1 too1 betwixt ingenious and dull men2 the ingenious1 like the ,corinthian brass1 which is long before it receives rust1 are longer before they fall into these perturbations1 and are recovered sooner3 the case is different with the dull4 ,nor does the mind of an ingenious man fall into every kind of perturbation1 for it never yields to any that are brutish and savage3 and some of their perturbations have at first even the appearance of humanity1 as mercy1 grief1 and fear4 ,but the sicknesses and diseases of the mind are thought to be harder to eradicate1 than those leading vices which are in opposition to virtues3 for vices may be removed1 though the diseases of the mind should continue1 which diseases are not cured with that expedition with which vices are removed4 ,i have now acquainted you with the arguments which the ,stoics put forth with such exactness3 which they call logic1 from their close arguing2 and since my discourse has got clear of these rocks1 ,i will proceed with the remainder of it1 provided ,i have been sufficiently clear in what ,i have already said1 considering the obscurity of the subject ,i have treated4 ,a4 ,clear enough2 but should there be occasion for a more exact inquiry1 ,i shall take another opportunity of asking you3 ,i expect you now to hoist your sails as you just now called them1 and proceed on your course4 ,,xv4 ,m4 ,since ,i have spoken before of virtue in other places1 and shall often have occasion to speak again 7for a great many questions that relate to life and manners arise from the spring of virtue72 and since1 as ,i say1 virtue consists in a settled and uniform affection of mind1 making those persons praiseworthy who are possessed of her2 she herself also1 independent of anything else1 without regard to any advantage1 must be praiseworthy2 for from her proceed good inclinations1 opinions1 actions1 and the whole of right reason2 though virtue may be defined in few words to be right reason itself4 ,the opposite to this is viciousness 7for so ,i choose to translate what the ,greeks call 1 rather than by perverseness2 for perverseness is the name of a particular vice2 but viciousness includes all71 from whence arise those perturbations1 which1 as ,i just now said1 are turbid and violent motions of the mind1 repugnant to reason1 and enemies in a high degree to the peace of the mind1 and a tranquil life3 for they introduce piercing and anxious cares1 and afflict and debilitate the mind through fear2 they violently inflame our hearts with exaggerated appetite2 which is in reality an impotence of mind1 utterly irreconcilable with temperance and moderation1 which we sometimes call desire1 and sometimes lust2 and which1 should it even attain the object of its wishes1 immediately becomes so elated1 that it loses all its resolution1 and knows not what to pursue2 so that he was in the right who said1 8that exaggerated pleasure was the very greatest of mistakes40 ,virtue then alone can effect the cure of these evils4 ,,xvi4 ,for what is not only more miserable1 but more base and sordid1 than a man afflicted1 weakened1 and oppressed with grief8 ,and little short of this misery is one who dreads some approaching evil1 and who1 through faintheartedness1 is under continual suspense4 ,the poets1 to express the greatness of this evil1 imagine a stone to hang over the head of ,tantalus1 as a punishment for his wickedness1 his pride1 and his boasting4 ,and this is the common punishment of folly2 for there hangs over the head of every one whose mind revolts from reason some similar fear4 ,and as these perturbations of the mind1 grief and fear1 are of a most wasting nature2 so those two others1 though of a more merry cast1 7,i mean lust1 which is always coveting something with eagerness1 and empty mirth1 which is an exulting joy17 differ very little from madness4 ,hence you may understand what sort of person he is whom we call at one time moderate1 at another modest or temperate1 at another constant and virtuous2 while sometimes we include all these names in the word frugality1 as the crown of all4 ,for if that word did not include all virtues1 it would never have been proverbial to say1 that a frugal man does everything rightly2 but when the ,stoics apply this saying to their wise man1 they seem to exalt him too much1 and to speak of him with too much admiration4 ,,xvii4 ,whoever1 then1 through moderation and constancy1 is at rest in his mind1 and in calm possession of himself1 so as neither to pine with care1 nor be dejected with fear1 nor to be inflamed with desire1 coveting something greedily1 nor relaxed by extravagant mirth1--such a man is that identical wise man whom we are inquiring for1 he is the happy man3 to whom nothing in this life seems intolerable enough to depress him2 nothing exquisite enough to transport him unduly4 ,for what is there in this life that can appear great to him1 who has acquainted himself with eternity1 and the utmost extent of the universe8 ,for what is there in human knowledge1 or the short span of this life1 that can appear great to a wise man8 whose mind is always so upon its guard1 that nothing can befal him which is unforeseen1 nothing which is unexpected1 nothing1 in short1 which is new4 ,such a man takes so exact a survey on all sides of him1 that he always knows the proper place and spot to live in free from all the troubles and annoyances of life1 and encounters every accident that fortune can bring upon him with a becoming calmness4 ,whoever conducts himself in this manner1 will be free from grief1 and from every other perturbation3 and a mind free from these feelings renders men completely happy3 whereas a mind disordered and drawn off from right and unerring reason1 loses at once1 not only its resolution1 but its health4--,therefore the thoughts and declarations of the ,peripatetics are soft and effeminate1 for they say that the mind must necessarily be agitated1 but at the same time they lay down certain bounds beyond which that agitation is not to proceed4 ,and do you set bounds to vice8 or is it novice to disobey reason8 does not reason sufficiently declare1 that there is no real good which you should desire too ardently1 or the possession of which you should allow to transport you3 and that there is no evil that should be able to overwhelm you1 or the suspicion of which should distract you8 and that all these things assume too melancholy or too cheerful an appearance through our own error8 ,but if fools find this error lessened by time1 so that1 though the cause remains the same1 they are not affected in the same manner1 after some time1 as they were at first2 why surely a wise man ought not to be influenced at all by it4 ,but what are those degrees by which we are to limit it8 ,let us fix these degrees in grief1 a difficult subject1 and one much canvassed4--,fannius writes that ,p4 ,rutilius took it much to heart1 that his brother was refused the consulship3 but he seems to have been too much affected by this disappointment2 for it was the occasion of his death3 he ought1 therefore1 to have borne it with more moderation4 ,but let us suppose1 that whilst he was bearing this with moderation1 the death of his children had intervened2 here would have started a fresh grief1 which1 admitting it to be moderate in itself1 yet still must have been a great addition to the other4 ,now to these let us add some acute pains of body1 the loss of his fortune1 blindness1 banishment2 supposing1 then1 each separate misfortune to occasion a separate additional grief1 the whole would be too great to be supportable4 ,,xviii4 ,the man who attempts to set bounds to vice1 acts like one who should throw himself headlong from ,leucate1 persuaded that he could stop himself whenever he pleased4 ,now1 as that is impossible1 so a perturbed and disordered mind cannot restrain itself1 and stop where it pleases4 ,certainly whatever is bad in its increase1 is bad in its birth3 now grief1 and all other perturbations1 are doubtless baneful in their progress1 and have therefore no small share of evil at the beginning2 for they go on of themselves when once they depart from reason1 for every weakness is self-indulgent1 and indiscreetly launches out1 and does not know where to stop4 ,so that it makes no difference whether you approve of moderate perturbations of mind1 or of moderate injustice1 moderate cowardice1 and moderate intemperance4 ,for whoever prescribes bounds to vice1 admits a part of it1 which1 as it is odious of itself1 becomes the more so as it stands on slippery ground1 and being once set forward1 glides on headlong1 and cannot by any means be stopped4 ,,xix4 ,why should ,i say more8 ,why should ,i add that the ,peripatetics say that these perturbations1 which we insist upon it should be extirpated1 are not only natural1 but were given to men by nature for a good purpose8 ,they usually talk in this manner4 ,in the first place1 they say much in praise of anger2 they call it the whetstone of courage1 and they say that angry men exert themselves most against an enemy or against a bad citizen3 that those reasons are of little weight which are the motives of men who think thus1 as1--,it is a just war1 it becomes us to fight for our laws1 our liberties1 our country2 they will allow no force to these arguments unless our courage is warmed by anger4--,nor do they confine their argument to warriors3 but their opinion is1 that no one can issue any rigid commands without some bitterness and anger4 ,in short1 they have no notion of an orator either accusing or even defending a client1 without he is spurred on by anger4 ,and though this anger should not be real1 still they think his words and gestures ought to wear the appearance of it1 so that the action of the orator may excite the anger of his hearer4 ,and they deny that any man has ever been seen1 who does not know what it is to be angry3 and they name what we call lenity1 by the bad appellation of indolence3 nor do they commend only this lust1 7for anger is1 as ,i defined it above1 the lust of revenge17 but they maintain that kind of lust or desire to be given us by nature for very good purposes3 saying that no one can execute anything well but what he is in earnest about4 ,themistocles used to walk in the public places in the night1 because he could not sleep3 and when asked the reason1 his answer was1 that ,miltiades' trophies kept him awake4 ,who has not heard how ,demosthenes used to watch2 who said that it gave him pain1 if any mechanic was up in a morning at his work before him8 ,lastly1 they urge that some of the greatest philosophers would never have made that progress in their studies1 without some ardent desire spurring them on4--,we are informed that ,pythagoras1 ,democritus1 and ,plato1 visited the remotest parts of the world2 for they thought that they ought to go whereever anything was to be learned4 ,now it is not conceivable that these things could be effected by anything but by the greatest ardour of mind4 ,,xx4 ,they say that even grief1 which we have already said ought to be avoided as a monstrous and fierce beast1 was appointed by nature1 not without some good purpose3 in order that men should lament when they had committed a fault1 well knowing they had exposed themselves to correction1 rebuke1 and ignominy4 ,for they think that those who can bear ignominy and infamy without pain1 have acquired a complete impunity for all sorts of crimes3 for with them1 reproach is a stronger check than conscience4 ,from whence we have that scene in ,afranius1 borrowed from common life2 for when the abandoned son saith1 ,wretched that ,i am6 the severe father replies1 ,let him but grieve1 no matter what the cause4 ,and they say the other divisions of sorrow have their use2 that pity incites us to hasten to the assistance of others1 and to alleviate the calamities of men who have undeservedly fallen into them3 that even envy and detraction are not without their use2 as when a man sees that another person has attained what he cannot1 or observes another to be equally successful with himself3 that he who should take away fear1 would take away all industry in life2 which those men exert in the greatest degree who are afraid of the laws and of the magistrates1 who dread poverty1 ignominy1 death1 and pain4 ,but while they argue thus1 they allow indeed of these feelings being retrenched1 though they deny that they either can1 or should be plucked up by the roots3 so that their opinion is that mediocrity is best in everything4 ,when they reason in this manner1 what think you8 is what they say worth attending to or not8 ,a4 ,i think it is2 ,i wait1 therefore1 to hear what you will say in reply to them4 ,,xxi4 ,m4 ,perhaps ,i may find something to say1--but ,i will make this observation first3 do you take notice with what modesty the ,academics behave themselves8 for they speak plainly to the purpose4 ,the ,peripatetics are answered by the ,stoics2 they have my leave to fight it out2 who think myself no otherwise concerned than to inquire for what may seem to be most probable4 ,our present business is1 then1 to see if we can meet with anything in this question which is the probable1 for beyond such approximation to truth as that human nature cannot proceed4 ,the definition of a perturbation1 as ,zeno1 ,i think1 has rightly determined it1 is thus3 ,that a perturbation is a commotion of the mind against nature1 in opposition to right reason2 or more briefly thus1 that a perturbation is a somewhat too vehement appetite2 and when he says somewhat too vehement1 he means such as is at a greater distance from the constant course of nature4 ,what can ,i say to these definitions8 the greater part of them we have from those who dispute with sagacity and acuteness3 some of them expressions1 indeed1 such as the 8ardours of the mind10 and 8the whetstones of virtue10 savouring of the pomp of rhetoricians4 ,as to the question1 if a brave man can maintain his courage without becoming angry2 it may be questioned with regard to the gladiators3 though we often observe much resolution even in them2 they meet1 converse1 they make objections and demands1 they agree about terms1 so that they seem calm rather than angry4 ,but let us admit a man of the name of ,placideianus1 who was one of that trade1 to be in such a mind1 as ,lucilius relates of him1 ,if for his blood you thirst1 the task be mine2 ,his laurels at my feet he shall resign2 ,not but ,i know1 before ,i reach his heart1 ,first on myself a wound he will impart4 ,i hate the man2 enraged ,i fight1 and straight ,in action we had been1 but that ,i wait ,till each his sword had fitted to his hand1 ,my rage ,i scarce can keep within command4 ,,xxii4 ,but we see ,ajax in ,homer advancing to meet ,hector in battle cheerfully1 without any of this boisterous wrath4 ,for he had no sooner taken up his arms1 than the first step which he made inspired his associates with joy1 his enemies with fear3 so that even ,hector1 as he is represented by ,homer17#ih7 trembling condemned himself for having challenged him to fight4 ,yet these heroes conversed together1 calmly and quietly1 before they engaged2 nor did they show any anger or outrageous behaviour during the combat4 ,nor do ,i imagine that ,torquatus1 the first who obtained this surname1 was in a rage when he plundered the ,gaul of his collar3 or that ,marcellus' courage at ,clastidium was only owing to his anger4 ,i could almost swear1 that ,africanus1 with whom we are better acquainted1 from our recollection of him being more recent1 was no ways inflamed by anger1 when he covered ,alienus ,pelignus with his shield1 and drove his sword into the enemy's breast4 ,there may be some doubt of ,l4 ,brutus1 whether he was not influenced by extraordinary hatred of the tyrant1 so as to attack ,aruns with more than usual rashness2 for ,i observe that they mutually killed each other in close fight4 ,why1 then1 do you call in the assistance of anger8 would courage1 unless it began to get furious1 lose its energy8 ,what8 do you imagine that ,hercules1 whom the very courage which you would try to represent as anger raised to heaven1 was angry when he engaged the ,erymanthian boar1 or the ,nemean lion8 or was ,theseus in a passion when he seized on the horns of the ,marathonian bull8 ,take care how you make courage to depend in the least on rage4 ,for anger is altogether irrational1 and that is not courage which is void of reason4 ,,xxiii4 ,we ought to hold all things here in contempt2 death is to be looked on with indifference2 pains and labours must be considered as easily supportable4 ,and when these sentiments are established on judgment and conviction1 then will that stout and firm courage take place3 unless you attribute to anger whatever is done with vehemence1 alacrity1 and spirit4 ,to me1 indeed1 that very ,scipio7#ii7 who was chief priest1 that favourer of the saying of the ,stoics1 8that no private man could be a wise man10 does not seem to be angry with ,tiberius ,gracchus1 even when he left the consul in a hesitating frame of mind1 and1 though a private man himself1 commanded1 with the authority of a consul1 that all who meant well to the republic should follow him4 ,i do not know whether ,i have done anything in the republic that has the appearance of courage2 but if ,i have1 ,i certainly did not do it in wrath4 ,doth anything come nearer madness than anger8 ,and indeed ,ennius has well defined it as the beginning of madness4 ,the changing colour1 the alteration of our voice1 the look of our eyes1 our manner of fetching our breath1 the little command we have over our words and actions1 how little do all these things indicate a sound mind6 ,what can make a worse appearance than ,homer's ,achilles1 or ,agamemnon1 during the quarrel4 ,and as to ,ajax1 anger drove him into downright madness1 and was the occasion of his death4 ,courage1 therefore1 does not want the assistance of anger2 it is sufficiently provided1 armed1 and prepared of itself4 ,we may as well say that drunkenness1 or madness1 are of service to courage1 because those who are mad or drunk often do a great many things with unusual vehemence4 ,ajax was always brave1 but still he was most brave when he was in that state of frenzy3 ,the greatest feat that ,ajax e'er achieved ,was1 when his single arm the ,greeks relieved4 ,quitting the field2 urged on by rising rage1 ,forced the declining troops again t'engage4 ,shall we say1 then1 that madness has its use8 ,,xxiv4 ,examine the definitions of courage3 you will find it does not require the assistance of passion4 ,courage is1 then1 an affection of mind1 that endures all things1 being itself in proper subjection to the highest of all laws2 or1 it may be called a firm maintenance of judgment in supporting or repelling everything that has a formidable appearance1 or a knowledge of what is formidable or otherwise1 and maintaining invariably a stable judgment of all such things1 so as to bear them1 or despise them2 or1 in fewer words according to ,chrysippus3 7for the above definitions are ,sphrus's1 a man of the first ability as a layer down of definitions1 as the ,stoics think3 but they are all pretty much alike1 they give us only common notions1 some one way1 and some another47 ,but what is ,chrysippus's definition8 ,fortitude1 says he1 is the knowledge of all things that are bearable3 or an affection of the mind1 which bears and supports everything in obedience to the chief law of reason1 without fear4 ,now1 though we should attack these men in the same manner as ,carneades used to do1 ,i fear they are the only real philosophers3 for which of these definitions is there which does not explain that obscure and intricate notion of courage which every man conceives within himself8 ,and when it is thus explained1 what can a warrior1 a commander1 or an orator1 want more8 and no one can think that they will be unable to behave themselves courageously without anger4 ,what8 do not even the ,stoics1 who maintain that all fools are mad1 make the same inferences8 for1 take away perturbations1 especially a hastiness of temper1 and they will appear to talk very absurdly4 ,but what they assert is this3 they say that all fools are mad1 as all dunghills stink2 not that they always do so1 but stir them1 and you will perceive it4 ,and in like manner1 a warm-tempered man is not always in a passion2 but provoke him1 and you will see him run mad4 ,now1 that very warlike anger1 which is of such service in war1 what is the use of it to him when he is at home with his wife1 children1 and family8 ,is there1 then1 anything that a disturbed mind can do better than one which is calm and steady8 or can any one be angry without a perturbation of mind8 ,our people1 then1 were in the right1 who1 as all vices depend on our manners1 and nothing is worse than a passionate disposition1 called angry men the only morose men47#ajj7 ,,xxv4 ,anger is in no wise becoming in an orator1 though it is not amiss to affect it4 ,do you imagine that ,i am angry when in pleading ,i use any extraordinary vehemence and sharpness8 ,what8 when ,i write out my speeches after all is over and past1 am ,i then angry while writing8 or do you think sopus was ever angry when he acted1 or ,accius was so when he wrote8 ,those men1 indeed1 act very well1 but the orator acts better than the player1 provided he be really an orator2 but then they carry it on without passion1 and with a composed mind4 ,but what wantonness is it to commend lust8 ,you produce ,themistocles and ,demosthenes2 to these you add ,pythagoras1 ,democritus1 and ,plato4 ,what1 do you then call studies lust8 ,but these studies of the most excellent and admirable things1 such as those were which you bring forward on all occasions1 ought to be composed and tranquil2 and what kind of philosophers are they who commend grief1 than which nothing is more detestable8 ,afranius has said much to this purpose-- ,let him but grieve1 no matter what the cause4 ,but he spoke this of a debauched and dissolute youth2 but we are inquiring into the conduct of a constant and wise man4 ,we may even allow a centurion1 or standard-bearer1 to be angry1 or any others1 whom1 not to explain too far the mysteries of the rhetoricians1 ,i shall not mention here2 for to touch the passions1 where reason cannot be come at1 may have its use2 but my inquiry1 as ,i often repeat1 is about a wise man4 ,,xxvi4 ,but even envy1 detraction1 pity1 have their use4 ,why should you pity rather than assist1 if it is in your power to do so8 ,is it because you cannot be liberal without pity8 ,we should not take sorrows on ourselves upon another's account2 but we ought to relieve others of their grief if we can4 ,but to detract from another's reputation1 or to rival him with that vicious emulation1 which resembles an enmity1 of what use can that conduct be8 ,now envy implies being uneasy at another's good because one does not enjoy it oneself2 but detraction is the being uneasy at another's good1 merely because he enjoys it4 ,how can it be right that you should voluntarily grieve1 rather than take the trouble of acquiring what you want to have2 for it is madness in the highest degree to desire to be the only one that has any particular happiness4 ,but who can with correctness speak in praise of a mediocrity of evils8 ,can any one in whom there is lust or desire1 be otherwise than libidinous or desirous8 or can a man who is occupied by anger avoid being angry8 or can one who is exposed to any vexation escape being vexed8 or if he is under the influence of fear1 must he not be fearful8 ,do we look1 then1 on the libidinous1 the angry1 the anxious1 and the timid man1 as persons of wisdom1 of excellence8 of which ,i could speak very copiously and diffusely1 but ,i wish to be as concise as possible4 ,and so ,i will merely say that wisdom is an acquaintance with all divine and human affairs1 and a knowledge of the cause of everything4 ,hence it is1 that it imitates what is divine1 and looks upon all human concerns as inferior to virtue4 ,did you1 then1 say that it was your opinion that such a man was as naturally liable to perturbation as the sea is exposed to winds8 ,what is there that can discompose such gravity and constancy8 ,anything sudden or unforeseen8 ,how can anything of this kind befal one1 to whom nothing is sudden and unforeseen that can happen to man8 ,now1 as to their saying that redundancies should be pared off1 and only what is natural remain2 what1 ,i pray you1 can be natural1 which may be too exuberant8 ,,xxvii4 ,all these assertions proceed from the roots of errors1 which must be entirely plucked up and destroyed1 not pared and amputated4 ,but as ,i suspect that your inquiry is not so much respecting the wise man as concerning yourself1 7for you allow that he is free from all perturbations1 and you would willingly be so too yourself17 let us see what remedies there are which may be applied by philosophy to the diseases of the mind4 ,there is certainly some remedy2 nor has nature been so unkind to the human race1 as to have discovered so many things salutary to the body1 and none which are medicinal to the mind4 ,she has even been kinder to the mind than to the body2 inasmuch as you must seek abroad for the assistance which the body requires2 while the mind has all that it requires within itself4 ,but in proportion as the excellency of the mind is of a higher and more divine nature1 the more diligence does it require2 and therefore reason1 when it is well applied1 discovers what is best1 but when it is neglected it becomes involved in many errors4 ,i shall apply1 then1 all my discourse to you2 for though you pretend to be inquiring about the wise man1 your inquiry may possibly be about yourself4 ,various1 then1 are the cures of those perturbations which ,i have expounded1 for every disorder is not to be appeased the same way2--one medicine must be applied to the man who mourns1 another to the pitiful1 another to the person who envies1 for there is this difference to be maintained in all the four perturbations2 we are to consider whether our discourse had better be directed to perturbations in general1 which are a contempt of reason1 or a somewhat too vehement appetite2 or whether it would be better applied to particular descriptions1 as1 for instance1 to fear1 lust1 and the rest1 and whether it appears preferable to endeavour to remove that which has occasioned the grief1 or rather to attempt wholly to eradicate every kind of grief4 ,as1 should any one grieve that he is poor1 the question is1 would you maintain poverty to be no evil1 or would you contend that a man ought not to grieve at anything8 ,certainly this last is the best course2 for should you not convince him with regard to poverty1 you must allow him to grieve2 but if you remove grief by particular arguments1 such as ,i used yesterday1 the evil of poverty is in some manner removed4 ,,xxviii4 ,but any perturbation of the mind of this sort may be1 as it were1 wiped away by this method of appeasing the mind1 if you succeed in showing that there is no good in that which has given rise to joy and lust1 nor any evil in that which has occasioned fear or grief4 ,but certainly the most effectual cure is to be achieved by showing that all perturbations are of themselves vicious1 and have nothing natural or necessary in them4 ,as we see grief itself is easily softened when we charge those who grieve with weakness and an effeminate mind2 or when we commend the gravity and constancy of those who bear calmly whatever befals them here1 as accidents to which all men are liable2 and1 indeed1 this is generally the feeling of those who look on these as real evils1 but yet think they should be borne with resignation4 ,one imagines pleasure to be a good1 another money2 and yet the one may be called off from intemperance1 the other from covetousness4 ,the other method and address1 which1 at the same time that it removes the false opinion1 withdraws the disorder1 has more subtilty in it2 but it seldom succeeds1 and is not applicable to vulgar minds1 for there are some diseases which that medicine can by no means remove4 ,for1 should any one be uneasy because he is without virtue1 without courage1 destitute of a sense of duty1 or honesty2 his anxiety proceeds from a real evil1 and yet we must apply another method of cure to him2 and such a one as all the philosophers1 however they may differ about other things1 agree in4 ,for they must necessarily agree in this1 that commotions of the mind in opposition to right reason are vicious2 and that even admitting those things to be evils1 which occasion fear or grief1 and those to be goods which provoke desire or joy1 yet that very commotion itself is vicious2 for we mean by the expressions magnanimous and brave1 one who is resolute1 sedate1 grave1 and superior to everything in this life3 but one who either grieves1 or fears1 or covets1 or is transported with passion1 cannot come under that denomination2 for these things are consistent only with those who look on the things of this world as things with which their minds are unequal to contend4 ,,xxix4 ,wherefore1 as ,i before said1 the philosophers have all one method of cure1 so that we need say nothing about what sort of thing that is which disturbs the mind1 but we must speak only concerning the perturbation itself4 ,thus1 first1 with regard to desire itself1 when the business is only to remove that the inquiry is not to be1 whether that thing be good or evil which provokes lust1 but the lust itself is to be removed2 so that whether whatever is honest is the chief good1 or whether it consists in pleasure1 or in both these things together1 or in the other three kinds of goods1 yet should there be in any one too vehement an appetite for even virtue itself1 the whole discourse should be directed to the deterring him from that vehemence4 ,but human nature1 when placed in a conspicuous point of view1 gives us every argument for appeasing the mind1 and to make this the more distinct1 the laws and conditions of life should be explained in our discourse4 ,therefore1 it was not without reason that ,socrates is reported1 when ,euripides was exhibiting his play called ,orestes1 to have repeated the first three verses of that tragedy-- ,what tragic story men can mournful tell1 ,whate'er from fate or from the gods befel1 ,that human nature can support----7#aja7 ,but1 in order to persuade those to whom any misfortune has happened1 that they can and ought to bear it1 it is very useful to set before them an enumeration of other persons who have borne similar calamities4 ,indeed1 the method of appeasing grief was explained in my dispute of yesterday1 and in my book on ,consolation1 which ,i wrote in the midst of my own grief2 for ,i was not myself so wise a man as to be insensible to grief1 and ,i used this1 notwithstanding ,chrysippus's advice to the contrary1 who is against applying a medicine to the agitations of the mind while they are fresh2 but ,i did it1 and committed a violence on nature1 that the greatness of my grief might give way to the greatness of the medicine4 ,,xxx4 ,but fear borders upon grief1 of which ,i have already said enough2 but ,i must say a little more on that4 ,now1 as grief proceeds from what is present1 so does fear from future evil2 so that some have said that fear is a certain part of grief3 others have called fear the harbinger of trouble1 which1 as it were1 introduces the ensuing evil4 ,now1 the reasons that make what is present supportable1 make what is to come very contemptible2 for1 with regard to both1 we should take care to do nothing low or grovelling1 soft or effeminate1 mean or abject4 ,but1 notwithstanding we should speak of the inconstancy1 imbecility1 and levity of fear itself1 yet it is of very great service to speak contemptuously of those very things of which we are afraid4 ,so that it fell out very well1 whether it was by accident or design1 that ,i disputed the first and second day on death and pain1--the two things that are the most dreaded3 now1 if what ,i then said was approved of1 we are in a great degree freed from fear4 ,and this is sufficient1 as far as regards the opinion of evils4 ,,xxxi4 ,proceed we now to what are goods--that is to say1 to joy and desire4 ,to me1 indeed1 one thing alone seems to embrace the question of all that relates to the perturbations of the mind--the fact1 namely1 that all perturbations are in our own power2 that they are taken up upon opinion1 and are voluntary4 ,this error1 then1 must be got rid of2 this opinion must be removed3 and1 as with regard to imagined evils1 we are to make them more supportable1 so with respect to goods1 we are to lessen the violent effects of those things which are called great and joyous4 ,but one thing is to be observed1 that equally relates both to good and evil3 that1 should it be difficult to persuade any one that none of those things which disturb the mind are to be looked on as good or evil1 yet a different cure is to be applied to different feelings2 and the malevolent person is to be corrected by one way of reasoning1 the lover by another1 the anxious man by another1 and the fearful by another3 and it would be easy for any one who pursues the best approved method of reasoning1 with regard to good and evil1 to maintain that no fool can be affected with joy1 as he never can have anything good4 ,but1 at present1 my discourse proceeds upon the common received notions4 ,let1 then1 honours1 riches1 pleasures1 and the rest1 be the very good things which they are imagined to be2 yet a too elevated and exulting joy on the possession of them is unbecoming2 just as though it might be allowable to laugh1 to giggle would be indecent4 ,thus1 a mind enlarged by joy is as blameable as a contraction of it by grief2 and eager longing is a sign of as much levity in desiring as immoderate joy is in possessing2 and1 as those who are too dejected are said to be effeminate1 so they who are too elated with joy are properly called volatile2 and as feeling envy is a part of grief1 and the being pleased with another's misfortune is a kind of joy both these feelings are usually corrected by showing the wildness and insensibility of them3 and as it becomes a man to be cautious1 but it is unbecoming in him to be fearful2 so to be pleased is proper1 but to be joyful improper4 ,i have1 in order that ,i might be the better understood1 distinguished pleasure from joy4 ,i have already said above1 that a contraction of the mind can never be right1 but that an elation of it may2 for the joy of ,hector in ,nvius is one thing1-- ',tis joy indeed to hear my praises sung ,by you1 who are the theme of honour's tongue3 but that of the character in ,trabea another3--8,the kind procuress1 allured by my money1 will observe my nod1 will watch my desires1 and study my will4 ,if ,i but move the door with my little finger1 instantly it flies open2 and if ,chrysis should unexpectedly discover me1 she will run with joy to meet me1 and throw herself into my arms40 ,now he will tell you how excellent he thinks this3-- ,not even fortune herself is so fortunate4 ,,xxxii4 ,any one who attends the least to the subject will be convinced how unbecoming this joy is4 ,and as they are very shameful who are immoderately delighted with the enjoyment of venereal pleasures1 so are they very scandalous who lust vehemently after them4 ,and all that which is commonly called love 7and1 believe me1 ,i can find out no other name to call it by7 is of such a trivial nature that nothing1 ,i think1 is to be compared to it3 of which ,ccilius says-- ,i hold the man of every sense bereaved1 ,who grants not ,love to be of ,gods the chief3 ,whose mighty power whate'er is good effects1 ,who gives to each his beauty and defects3 ,hence1 health and sickness2 wit and folly1 hence1 ,the ,god that love and hatred doth dispense6 ,an excellent corrector of life this same poetry1 which thinks that love1 the promoter of debauchery and vanity1 should have a place in the council of the ,gods6 ,i am speaking of comedy1 which could not subsist at all without our approving of these debaucheries4 ,but what said that chief of the ,argonauts in tragedy8-- ,my life ,i owe to honour less than love ,what1 then1 are we to say of this love of ,medea8--what a train of miseries did it occasion6 and yet the same woman has the assurance to say to her father1 in another poet1 that she had a husband-- ,dearer by love than ever fathers were4 ,,xxxiii4 ,however1 we may allow the poets to trifle1 in whose fables we see ,jupiter himself engaged in these debaucheries3 but let us apply to the masters of virtue1--the philosophers who deny love to be anything carnal2 and in this they differ from ,epicurus1 who1 ,i think1 is not much mistaken4 ,for what is that lore of friendship8 ,how comes it that no one is in love with a deformed young man1 or a handsome old one8 ,i am of opinion that this love of men had its rise from the ,gymnastics of the ,greeks1 where these kinds of loves are admissible and permitted2 therefore ,ennius spoke well3-- ,the censure of this crime to those is due1 ,who naked bodies first exposed to view4 ,now1 supposing them chaste1 which ,i think is hardly possible1 they are uneasy and distressed1 and the more so because they contain and refrain themselves4 ,but1 to pass over the love of women1 where nature has allowed more liberty1 who can misunderstand the poets in their rape of ,ganymede1 or not apprehend what ,laius says1 and what he desires1 in ,euripides8 ,lastly1 what have the principal poets and the most learned men published of themselves in their poems and songs8 ,what doth ,alcus1 who was distinguished in his own republic for his bravery1 write on the love of young men8 and as for ,anacreon's poetry1 it is wholly on love4 ,but ,ibycus of ,rhegium appears1 from his writings1 to have had this love stronger on him than all the rest4 ,,xxxiv4 ,now we see that the loves of all these writers were entirely libidinous4 ,there have arisen also some amongst us philosophers 7and ,plato is at the head of them1 whom ,dicarchus blames not without reason71 who have countenanced love4 ,the ,stoics in truth say1 not only that their wise man may be a lover1 but they even define love itself as an endeavour to originate friendship out of the appearance of beauty4 ,now1 provided there is any one in the nature of things without desire1 without care1 without a sigh1--such a one may be a lover2 for he is free from all lust3 but ,i have nothing to say to him1 as it is lust of which ,i am now speaking4 ,but should there be any love1--as there certainly is1--which1 is but little1 or perhaps not at all1 short of madness1 such as his is in the ,leucadia1-- ,should there be any ,god whose care ,i am3 it is incumbent on all the ,gods to see that he enjoys his amorous pleasure4 ,wretch that ,i am6 ,nothing is more true1 and he says very appropriately-- ,what1 are you sane1 who at this rate lament8 ,he seems even to his friends to be out of his senses3 then how tragical he becomes6 ,thy aid1 divine ,apollo1 ,i implore1 ,and thine1 dread ruler of the wat'ry store6 ,oh6 all ye winds1 assist me6 ,he thinks that the whole world ought to apply itself to help his love3 he excludes ,venus alone as unkind to him4 ,thy aid1 ,o ,venus1 why should ,i invoke8 ,he thinks ,venus too much employed in her own lust1 to have regard to anything else1 as if he himself had not said and committed these shameful things from lust4 ,,xxxv4 ,now the cure for one who is affected in this manner1 is to show1 how light1 how contemptible1 how very trifling he is in what he desires2 how he may turn his affections to another object1 or accomplish his desires by some other means2 or else to persuade him that he may entirely disregard it2 sometimes he is to be led away to objects of another kind1 to study1 business1 or other different engagements and concerns3 very often the cure is effected by change of place1 as sick people1 that have not recovered their strength1 are benefited by change of air4 ,some people think an old love may be driven out by a new one1 as one nail drives out another3 but above all things the man thus afflicted should be advised what madness love is3 for of all the perturbations of the mind1 there is not one which is more vehement2 for1 7without charging it with rapes1 debaucheries1 adultery1 or even incest1 the baseness of any of these being very blameable2 not1 ,i say1 to mention these17 the very perturbation of the mind in love is base of itself1 for1 to pass over all its acts of downright madness1 what weakness do not those very things which are looked upon as indifferent argue8 ,affronts and jealousies1 jars1 squabbles1 wars1 ,then peace again4--,the man who seeks to fix ,these restless feelings1 and to subjugate ,them to some regular law1 is just as wise ,as one who'd try to lay down rules by which ,men should go mad47#ajb7 ,now is not this inconstancy and mutability of mind enough to deter any one by its own deformity8 ,we are to demonstrate1 as was said of every perturbation1 that there are no such feelings which do not consist entirely of opinion and judgment1 and are not owing to ourselves4 ,for if love were natural1 all would be in love1 and always so1 and all love the same object2 nor would one be deterred by shame1 another by reflection1 another by satiety4 ,,xxxvi4 ,anger1 too1 when it disturbs the mind any time1 leaves no room to doubt its being madness3 by the instigation of which1 we see such contention as this between brothers3 ,where was there ever impudence like thine8 ,who on thy malice ever could refine87#ajc7 ,you know what follows3 for abuses are thrown out by these brothers1 with great bitterness1 in every other verse3 so that you may easily know them for the sons of ,atreus1 of that ,atreus who invented a new punishment for his brother3 ,i who his cruel heart to gall am bent1 ,some new1 unheard-of torment must invent4 ,now what were these inventions8 ,hear ,thyestes4 ,my impious brother fain would have me eat ,my children1 and thus serves them up for meat4 ,to what length now will not anger go8 even as far as madness4 ,therefore we say properly enough1 that angry men have given up their power1 that is1 they are out of the power of advice1 reason1 and understanding3 for these ought to have power over the whole mind4 ,now you should put those out of the way1 whom they endeavour to attack1 till they have recollected themselves2 but what does recollection here imply1 but getting together again the dispersed parts of their mind into their proper place8 or else you must beg and entreat them1 if they have the means of revenge1 to defer it to another opportunity1 till their anger cools4 ,but the expression of cooling implies1 certainly1 that there was a heat raised in their minds in opposition to reason3 from which consideration that saying of ,archytas is commended3 who being somewhat provoked at his steward1 8,how would ,i have treated you10 said he1 8if ,i had not been in a passion80 ,,xxxvii4 ,where1 then1 are they who say that anger has its use8 ,can madness be of any use8 ,but still it is natural4 ,can anything be natural that is against reason8 or how is it1 if anger is natural1 that one person is more inclined to anger than another8 or that the lust of revenge should cease before it has revenged itself8 or that any one should repent of what he had done in a passion8 as we see that ,alexander the king did1 who could scarcely keep his hands from himself1 when he had killed his favourite ,clytus3 so great was his compunction6 ,now who1 that is acquainted with these instances1 can doubt that this motion of the mind is altogether in opinion and voluntary8 for who can doubt that disorders of the mind1 such as covetousness1 and a desire of glory1 arise from a great estimation of those things1 by which the mind is disordered8 from whence we may understand1 that every perturbation of the mind is founded in opinion4 ,and if boldness1 that is to say1 a firm assurance of mind1 is a kind of knowledge and serious opinion1 not hastily taken up3 then diffidence is a fear of an expected and impending evil3 and if hope is an expectation of good1 fear must of course be an expectation of evil4 ,thus fear and other perturbations are evils4 ,therefore as constancy proceeds from knowledge1 so does perturbation from error4 ,now they who are said to be naturally inclined to anger1 or to pity1 or to envy1 or to any feeling of this kind2 their minds are constitutionally1 as it were1 in bad health1 yet they are curable1 as the disposition of ,socrates is said to have been2 for when ,zopyrus1 who professed to know the character of every one from his person1 had heaped a great many vices on him in a public assembly1 he was laughed at by others1 who could perceive no such vices in ,socrates2 but ,socrates kept him in countenance1 by declaring that such vices were natural to him1 but that he had got the better of them by his reason4 ,therefore1 as any one who has the appearance of the best constitution1 may yet appear to be naturally rather inclined to some particular disorder1 so different minds may be more particularly inclined to different diseases4 ,but as to those men who are said to be vicious1 not by nature1 but their own fault2 their vices proceed from wrong opinions of good and bad things1 so that one is more prone than another to different motions and perturbations4 ,but1 just as it is in the case of the body1 an inveterate disease is harder to be got rid of than a sudden disorder2 and it is more easy to cure a fresh tumour in the eyes1 than to remove a defluxion of any continuance4 ,,xxxviii4 ,but as the cause of perturbations is now discovered1 for all of them arise from the judgment or opinion1 or volition1 ,i shall put an end to this discourse4 ,but we ought to be assured1 since the boundaries of good and evil are now discovered1 as far as they are discoverable by man1 that nothing can be desired of philosophy greater1 or more useful1 than the discussions which we have held these four days4 ,for besides instilling a contempt of death1 and relieving pain so as to enable men to bear it2 we have added the appeasing of grief1 than which there is no greater evil to man4 ,for though every perturbation of mind is grievous1 and differs but little from madness3 yet we are used to say of others1 when they are under any perturbation1 as of fear1 joy1 or desire1 that they are agitated and disturbed2 but of those who give themselves up to grief1 that they are miserable1 afflicted1 wretched1 unhappy4 ,so that it doth not seem to be by accident1 but with reason proposed by you1 that ,i should discuss grief1 and the other perturbations separately2 for there lies the spring and head of all our miseries3 but the cure of grief1 and of other disorders1 is one and the same1 in that they are all voluntary1 and founded on opinion2 we take them on ourselves because it seems right so to do4 ,philosophy undertakes to eradicate this error1 as the root of all our evils3 let us therefore surrender ourselves to be instructed by it1 and suffer ourselves to be cured2 for whilst these evils have possession of us1 we not only cannot be happy1 but cannot be right in our minds4 ,we must either deny that reason can effect anything1 while1 on the other hand1 nothing can be done right without reason2 or else1 since philosophy depends on the deductions of reason1 we must seek from her1 if we would be good or happy1 every help and assistance for living well and happily4 ,book ,v4 ,whether ,virtue ,alone ,be ,sufficient ,for ,a ,happy ,life4 ,i4 ,this fifth day1 ,brutus1 shall put an end to our ,tusculan ,disputations3 on which day we discussed your favourite subject4 ,for ,i perceive from that book which you wrote for me1 with the greatest accuracy1 as well as from your frequent conversation1 that you are clearly of this opinion1 that virtue is of itself sufficient for a happy life3 and though it may be difficult to prove this1 on account of the many various strokes of fortune1 yet it is a truth of such a nature1 that we should endeavour to facilitate the proof of it4 ,for among all the topics of philosophy1 there is not one of more dignity or importance4 ,for as the first philosophers must have had some inducement1 to neglect everything for the search of the best state of life3 surely1 the inducement must have been the hope of living happily1 which impelled them to devote so much care and pains to that study4 ,now1 if virtue was discovered and carried to perfection by them2 and if virtue is a sufficient security for a happy life3 who can avoid thinking the work of philosophising excellently recommended by them1 and undertaken by me8 ,but if virtue1 as being subject to such various and uncertain accidents1 were but the slave of fortune1 and were not of sufficient ability to support herself2 ,i am afraid that it would seem desirable rather to offer up prayers than to rely on our own confidence in virtue1 as the foundation for our hope of a happy life4 ,and1 indeed1 when ,i reflect on those troubles1 with which ,i have been so severely exercised by fortune1 ,i begin to distrust this opinion2 and sometimes even to dread the weakness and frailty of human nature1 for ,i am afraid lest1 when nature had given us infirm bodies1 and had joined to them incurable diseases1 and intolerable pains1 she perhaps also gave us minds participating in these bodily pains1 and harassed also with troubles and uneasinesses1 peculiarly their own4 ,but here ,i correct myself1 for forming my judgment of the power of virtue more from the weakness of others1 or of myself perhaps1 than from virtue itself3 for she herself 7provided there is such a thing as virtue1 and your uncle ,brutus has removed all doubt of it7 has everything that can befal mankind in subjection to her2 and by disregarding such things1 she is far removed from being at all concerned at human accidents2 and1 being free from every imperfection1 she thinks that nothing which is external to herself can concern her4 ,but we1 who increase every approaching evil by our fear1 and every present one by our grief1 choose rather to condemn the nature of things1 than our own errors4 ,,ii4 ,but the amendment of this fault1 and of all our other vices and offences1 is to be sought for in philosophy3 and as my own inclination and desire led me1 from my earliest youth upwards1 to seek her protection2 so1 under my present misfortunes1 ,i have had recourse to the same port from whence ,i set out1 after having been tossed by a violent tempest4 ,o ,philosophy1 thou guide of life6 thou discoverer of virtue1 and expeller of vices6 what had not only ,i myself1 but the whole life of man been without you8 ,to you it is that we owe the origin of cities2 you it was who called together the dispersed race of men into social life2 you united them together1 first1 by placing them near one another1 then by marriages1 and lastly1 by the communication of speech and languages4 ,you have been the inventress of laws2 you have been our instructress in morals and discipline3 to you we fly for refuge2 from you we implore assistance2 and as ,i formerly submitted to you in a great degree1 so now ,i surrender up myself entirely to you4 ,for one day spent well1 and agreeably to your precepts1 is preferable to an eternity of error4 ,whose assistance1 then1 can be of more service to me than yours1 when you have bestowed on us tranquillity of life1 and removed the fear of death8 ,but ,philosophy is so far from being praised as much as she has deserved by mankind1 that she is wholly neglected by most men1 and actually evil spoken of by many4 ,can any person speak ill of the parent of life1 and dare to pollute himself thus with parricide6 and be so impiously ungrateful as to accuse her1 whom he ought to reverence1 even were he less able to appreciate the advantages which he might derive from her8 ,but this error1 ,i imagine1 and this darkness1 has spread itself over the minds of ignorant men1 from their not being able to look so far back1 and from their not imagining that those men by whom human life was first improved1 were philosophers3 for though we see philosophy to have been of long standing1 yet the name must be acknowledged to be but modern4 ,,iii4 ,but indeed1 who can dispute the antiquity of philosophy1 either in fact or name8 for it acquired this excellent name from the ancients1 by the knowledge of the origin and causes of everything1 both divine and human4 ,thus those seven 1 as they were considered and called by the ,greeks1 have always been esteemed and called wise men by us3 and thus ,lycurgus many ages before1 in whose time1 before the building of this city1 ,homer is said to have lived1 as well as ,ulysses and ,nestor in the heroic ages1 are all handed down to us by tradition as having really been what they were called1 wise men2 nor would it have been said that ,atlas supported the heavens1 or that ,prometheus was bound to ,caucasus1 nor would ,cepheus1 with his wife1 his son-in-law1 and his daughter1 have been enrolled among the constellations1 but that their more than human knowledge of the heavenly bodies had transferred their names into an erroneous fable4 ,from whence1 all who occupied themselves in the contemplation of nature1 were both considered and called1 wise men3 and that name of theirs continued to the age of ,pythagoras1 who is reported to have gone to ,phlius1 as we find it stated by ,heraclides ,ponticus1 a very learned man1 and a pupil of ,plato1 and to have discoursed very learnedly and copiously on certain subjects1 with ,leon1 prince of the ,phliasii--and when ,leon1 admiring his ingenuity and eloquence1 asked him what art he particularly professed2 his answer was1 that he was acquainted with no art1 but that he was a philosopher4 ,leon1 surprised at the novelty of the name1 inquired what he meant by the name of philosopher1 and in what philosophers differed from other men3 on which ,pythagoras replied1 8,that the life of man seemed to him to resemble those games1 which were celebrated with the greatest possible variety of sports1 and the general concourse of all ,greece4 ,for as in those games there were some persons whose object was glory1 and the honour of a crown1 to be attained by the performance of bodily exercises3 so others were led thither by the gain of buying and selling1 and mere views of profit3 but there was likewise one class of persons1 and they were by far the best1 whose aim was neither applause nor profit1 but who came merely as spectators through curiosity1 to observe what was done1 and to see in what manner things were carried on there4 ,and thus1 said he1 we come from another life and nature unto this one1 just as men come out of some other city1 to some much frequented mart2 some being slaves to glory1 others to money2 and there are some few who1 taking no account of anything else1 earnestly look into the nature of things3 and these men call themselves studious of wisdom1 that is1 philosophers2 and as there it is the most reputable occupation of all to be a looker-on1 without making any acquisition1 so in life1 the contemplating things1 and acquainting oneself with them1 greatly exceeds every other pursuit of life40 ,,iv4 ,nor was ,pythagoras the inventor only of the name1 but he enlarged also the thing itself1 and1 when he came into ,italy after this conversation at ,phlius1 he adorned that ,greece1 which is called ,great ,greece1 both privately and publicly1 with the most excellent institutions and arts2 but of his school and system1 ,i shall1 perhaps1 find another opportunity to speak4 ,but numbers and motions1 and the beginning and end of all things1 were the subjects of the ancient philosophy down to ,socrates1 who was a pupil of ,archelaus1 who had been the disciple of ,anaxagoras4 ,these made diligent inquiry into the magnitude of the stars1 their distances1 courses1 and all that relates to the heavens4 ,but ,socrates was the first who brought down philosophy from the heavens1 placed it in cities1 introduced it into families1 and obliged it to examine into life and morals1 and good and evil4 ,and his different methods of discussing questions1 together with the variety of his topics1 and the greatness of his abilities1 being immortalized by the memory and writings of ,plato1 gave rise to many sects of philosophers of different sentiments3 of all which ,i have principally adhered to that one which1 in my opinion1 ,socrates himself followed2 and argue so as to conceal my own opinion1 while ,i deliver others from their errors1 and so discover what has the greatest appearance of probability in every question4 ,and the custom ,carneades adopted with great copiousness and acuteness1 and ,i myself have often given in to it on many occasions elsewhere1 and in this manner1 too1 ,i disputed lately1 in my ,tusculan villa2 indeed ,i have sent you a book of the four former days' discussions2 but the fifth day1 when we had seated ourselves as before1 what we were to dispute on was proposed thus3-- ,v4 ,a4 ,i do not think virtue can possibly be sufficient for a happy life4 ,m4 ,but my friend ,brutus thinks so1 whose judgment1 with submission1 ,i greatly prefer to yours4 ,a4 ,i make no doubt of it2 but your regard for him is not the business now2 the question is now what is the real character of that quality of which ,i have declared my opinion4 ,i wish you to dispute on that4 ,m4 ,what6 do you deny that virtue can possibly be sufficient for a happy life8 ,a4 ,it is what ,i entirely deny4 ,m4 ,what6 is not virtue sufficient to enable us to live as we ought1 honestly1 commendably1 or1 in fine1 to live well8 ,a4 ,certainly sufficient4 ,m4 ,can you1 then1 help calling any one miserable1 who lives ill8 or will you deny that any one who you allow lives well1 must inevitably live happily8 ,a4 ,why may ,i not8 for a man may be upright in his life1 honest1 praiseworthy1 even in the midst of torments1 and therefore live well4 ,provided you understand what ,i mean by well2 for when ,i say well1 ,i mean with constancy1 and dignity1 and wisdom1 and courage2 for a man may display all these qualities on the rack2 but yet the rack is inconsistent with a happy life4 ,m4 ,what then8 is your happy life left on the outside of the prison1 whilst constancy1 dignity1 wisdom1 and the other virtues1 are surrendered up to the executioner1 and bear punishment and pain without reluctance8 ,a4 ,you must look out for something new1 if you would do any good4 ,these things have very little effect on me1 not merely from their being common1 but principally because1 like certain light wines1 that will not bear water1 these arguments of the ,stoics are pleasanter to taste than to swallow4 ,as when that assemblage of virtues is committed to the rack1 it raises so reverend a spectacle before our eyes1 that happiness seems to hasten on towards them1 and not to suffer them to be deserted by her4 ,but when you take your attention off from this picture and these images of the virtues1 to the truth and the reality1 what remains without disguise is1 the question whether any one can be happy in torment8 ,wherefore let us now examine that point1 and not be under any apprehensions1 lest the virtues should expostulate and complain1 that they are forsaken by happiness4 ,for if prudence is connected with every virtue1 then prudence itself discovers this1 that all good men are not therefore happy2 and she recollects many things of ,marcus ,atilius17#ajd7 ,quintus ,cpio17#aje7 ,marcus ,aquilius27#ajf7 and prudence herself1 if these representations are more agreeable to you than the things themselves1 restrains happiness1 when it is endeavouring to throw itself into torments1 and denies that it has any connexion with pain and torture4 ,,vi4 ,m4 ,i can easily bear with your behaving in this manner1 though it is not fair in you to prescribe to me1 how you would have me carry on this discussion2 but ,i ask you if ,i have effected anything or nothing in the preceding days8 ,a4 ,yes1 something was done1 some little matter indeed4 ,m4 ,but if that is the case1 this question is settled1 and almost put an end to4 ,a4 ,how so8 ,m4 ,because turbulent motions and violent agitations of the mind1 when it is raised and elated by a rash impulse1 getting the better of reason1 leave no room for a happy life4 ,for who that fears either pain or death1 the one of which is always present1 the other always impending1 can be otherwise than miserable8 ,now supposing the same person1 which is often the case1 to be afraid of poverty1 ignominy1 infamy1 or weakness1 or blindness2 or lastly1 slavery1 which doth not only befal individual men1 but often even the most powerful nations2 now can any one under the apprehension of these evils be happy8 ,what shall we say of him who not only dreads these evils as impending1 but actually feels and bears them at present8 ,let us unite in the same person1 banishment1 mourning1 the loss of children2 now how can any one who is broken down and rendered sick in body and mind by such affliction be otherwise than very miserable indeed8 ,what reason again can there be1 why a man should not rightly enough be called miserable1 whom we see inflamed and raging with lust1 coveting everything with an insatiable desire1 and in proportion as he derives more pleasure from anything1 thirsting the more violently after them8 ,and as to a man vainly elated1 exulting with an empty joy1 and boasting of himself without reason1 is not he so much the more miserable in proportion as he thinks himself happier8 ,therefore1 as these men are miserable1 so on the other hand those are happy1 who are alarmed by no fears1 wasted by no griefs1 provoked by no lusts1 melted by no languid pleasures that arise from vain and exulting joys4 ,we look on the sea as calm when not the least breath of air disturbs its waves2 and in like manner the placid and quiet state of the mind is discovered when unmoved by any perturbation4 ,now if there be any one who holds the power of fortune1 and everything human1 everything that can possibly befal any man1 as supportable1 so as to be out of the reach of fear or anxiety2 and if such a man covets nothing1 and is lifted up by no vain joy of mind1 what can prevent his being happy8 and if these are the effects of virtue1 why cannot virtue itself make men happy8 ,,vii4 ,a4 ,but the other of these two propositions is undeniable1 that they who are under no apprehensions1 who are no ways uneasy1 who covet nothing1 who are lifted up by no vain joy1 are happy3 and therefore ,i grant you that2 but as for the other1 that is not now in a fit state for discussion2 for it has been proved by your former arguments that a wise man is free from every perturbation of mind4 ,m4 ,doubtless1 then1 the dispute is over2 for the question appears to have been entirely exhausted4 ,a4 ,i think indeed that that is almost the case4 ,m4 ,but yet1 that is more usually the case with the mathematicians than philosophers4 ,for when the geometricians teach anything1 if what they have before taught relates to their present subject1 they take that for granted which has been already proved2 and explain only what they had not written on before4 ,but the philosophers1 whatever subject they have in hand1 get together everything that relates to it2 notwithstanding they may have dilated on it somewhere else4 ,were not that the case1 why should the ,stoics say so much on that question1 whether virtue was abundantly sufficient to a happy life8 when it would have been answer enough1 that they had before taught1 that nothing was good but what was honourable2 for as this had been proved1 the consequence must be1 that virtue was sufficient to a happy life3 and each premise may be made to follow from the admission of the other1 so that if it be admitted that virtue is sufficient to secure a happy life1 it may also be inferred that nothing is good except what is honourable4 ,they however do not proceed in this manner2 for they would separate books about what is honourable1 and what is the chief good3 and when they have demonstrated from the one that virtue has power enough to make life happy1 yet they treat this point separately2 for everything1 and especially a subject of such great consequence1 should be supported by arguments and exhortations which belong to that alone4 ,for you should have a care how you imagine philosophy to have uttered anything more noble1 or that she has promised anything more fruitful or of greater consequence3 for1 good ,gods6 doth she not engage1 that she will render him who submits to her laws so accomplished as to be always armed against fortune1 and to have every assurance within himself of living well and happily2 that he shall1 in short1 be for ever happy4 ,but let us see what she will perform8 ,in the meanwhile ,i look upon it as a great thing1 that she has even made such a promise4 ,for ,xerxes1 who was loaded with all the rewards and gifts of fortune1 not satisfied with his armies of horse and foot1 nor the multitude of his ships1 nor his infinite treasure of gold1 offered a reward to any one who could find out a new pleasure3 and yet1 when it was discovered1 he was not satisfied with it1 nor can there ever be an end to lust4 ,i wish we could engage any one by a reward1 to produce something the better to establish us in this belief4 ,,viii4 ,a4 ,i wish that indeed myself2 but ,i want a little information4 ,for ,i allow1 that in what you have stated1 the one proposition is the consequence of the other2 that as1 if what is honourable be the only good1 it must follow1 that a happy life is the effect of virtue3 so that if a happy life consists in virtue1 nothing can be good but virtue4 ,but your friend ,brutus1 on the authority of ,aristo and ,antiochus1 does not see this3 for he thinks the case would be the same1 even if there were anything good besides virtue4 ,m4 ,what then8 do you imagine that ,i am going to argue against ,brutus8 ,a4 ,you may do what you please3 for it is not for me to prescribe what you shall do4 ,m4 ,how these things agree together shall be examined somewhere else3 for ,i frequently discussed that point with ,antiochus1 and lately with ,aristo1 when1 during the period of my command as general1 ,i was lodging with him at ,athens4 ,for to me it seemed that no one could possibly be happy under any evil3 but a wise man might be afflicted with evil1 if there are any things arising from body or fortune1 deserving the name of evils4 ,these things were said1 which ,antiochus has inserted in his books in many places3 that virtue itself was sufficient to make life happy1 but yet not perfectly happy3 and that many things derive their names from the predominant portion of them1 though they do not include everything1 as strength1 health1 riches1 honour1 and glory3 which qualities are determined by their kind1 not their number3 thus a happy life is so called from its being so in a great degree1 even though it should fall short in some point4 ,to clear this up1 is not absolutely necessary at present1 though it seems to be said without any great consistency3 for ,i cannot imagine what is wanting to one that is happy1 to make him happier1 for if anything be wanting to him he cannot be so much as happy2 and as to what they say1 that everything is named and estimated from its predominant portion1 that may be admitted in some things4 ,but when they allow three kinds of evils2 when any one is oppressed with every imaginable evil of two kinds1 being afflicted with adverse fortune1 and having at the same time his body worn out and harassed with all sorts of pains1 shall we say that such a one is but little short of a happy life1 to say nothing about the happiest possible life8 ,,ix4 ,this is the point which ,theophrastus was unable to maintain3 for after he had once laid down the position1 that stripes1 torments1 tortures1 the ruin of one's country1 banishment1 the loss of children1 had great influence on men's living miserably and unhappily1 he durst not any longer use any high and lofty expressions1 when he was so low and abject in his opinion4 ,how right he was is not the question2 he certainly was consistent4 ,therefore ,i am not for objecting to consequences where the premises are admitted4 ,but this most elegant and learned of all the philosophers1 is not taken to task very severely when he asserts his three kinds of good2 but he is attacked by every one for that book which he wrote on a happy life1 in which book he has many arguments1 why one who is tortured and racked cannot be happy4 ,for in that book he is supposed to say1 that a man who is placed on the wheel1 7that is a kind of torture in use among the ,greeks17 cannot attain to a completely happy life4 ,he nowhere1 indeed1 says so absolutely1 but what he says amounts to the same thing4 ,can ,i1 then1 find fault with him2 after having allowed1 that pains of the body are evils1 that the ruin of a man's fortunes is an evil1 if he should say that every good man is not happy1 when all those things which he reckons as evils may befal a good man8 ,the same ,theophrastus is found fault with by all the books and schools of the philosophers1 for commending that sentence in his ,callisthenes3 ,fortune1 not wisdom1 rules the life of man4 ,they say1 never did philosopher assert anything so languid4 ,they are right1 indeed1 in that3 but ,i do not apprehend anything could be more consistent3 for if there are so many good things that depend on the body1 and so many foreign to it that depend on chance and fortune1 is it inconsistent to say that fortune1 which governs everything1 both what is foreign and what belongs to the body1 has greater power than counsel4 ,or would we rather imitate ,epicurus8 who is often excellent in many things which he speaks1 but quite indifferent how consistent he may be1 or how much to the purpose he is speaking4 ,he commends spare diet1 and in that he speaks as a philosopher2 but it is for ,socrates or ,antisthenes to say so1 and not for one who confines all good to pleasure4 ,he denies that any one can live pleasantly unless he lives honestly1 wisely1 and justly4 ,nothing is more dignified than this assertion1 nothing more becoming a philosopher1 had he not measured this very expression of living honestly1 justly1 and wisely1 by pleasure4 ,what could be better than to assert that fortune interferes but little with a wise man8 ,but does he talk thus1 who after he has said that pain is the greatest evil1 or the only evil1 might himself be afflicted with the sharpest pains all over his body1 even at the time he is vaunting himself the most against fortune8 ,and this very thing1 too1 ,metrodorus has said1 but in better language3 8,i have anticipated you1 ,fortune2 ,i have caught you1 and cut off every access1 so that you cannot possibly reach me40 ,this would be excellent in the mouth of ,aristo the ,chian1 or ,zeno the ,stoic1 who held nothing to be an evil but what was base2 but for you1 ,metrodorus1 to anticipate the approaches of fortune1 who confine all that is good to your bowels and marrow1--for you to say so1 who define the chief good by a strong constitution of body1 and a well assured hope of its continuance1--for you to cut off every access of fortune8 ,why1 you may instantly be deprived of that good4 ,yet the simple are taken with these propositions1 and a vast crowd is led away by such sentences to become their followers4 ,x4 ,but it is the duty of one who would argue accurately1 to consider not what is said1 but what is said consistently4 ,as in that very opinion which we have adopted in this discussion1 namely1 that every good man is always happy2 it is clear what ,i mean by good men3 ,i call those both wise and good men1 who are provided and adorned with every virtue4 ,let us see1 then1 who are to be called happy4 ,i imagine1 indeed1 that those men are to be called so1 who are possessed of good without any alloy of evil3 nor is there any other notion connected with the word that expresses happiness1 but an absolute enjoyment of good without any evil4 ,virtue cannot attain this1 if there is anything good besides itself3 for a crowd of evils would present themselves1 if we were to allow poverty1 obscurity1 humility1 solitude1 the loss of friends1 acute pains of the body1 the loss of health1 weakness1 blindness1 the ruin of one's country1 banishment1 slavery1 to be evils3 for a wise man may be afflicted by all these evils1 numerous and important as they are1 and many others also may be added2 for they are brought on by chance1 which may attack a wise man3 but if these things are evils1 who can maintain that a wise man is always happy1 when all these evils may light on him at the same time8 ,i therefore do not easily agree with my friend ,brutus1 nor with our common masters1 nor those ancient ones1 ,aristotle1 ,speusippus1 ,xenocrates1 ,polemon1 who reckon all that ,i have mentioned above as evils1 and yet they say that a wise man is always happy2 nor can ,i allow them1 because they are charmed with this beautiful and illustrious title1 which would very well become ,pythagoras1 ,socrates1 and ,plato1 to persuade my mind1 that strength1 health1 beauty1 riches1 honours1 power1 with the beauty of which they are ravished1 are contemptible1 and that all those things which are the opposites of these are not to be regarded4 ,then might they declare openly1 with a loud voice1 that neither the attacks of fortune1 nor the opinion of the multitude1 nor pain1 nor poverty1 occasion them any apprehensions2 and that they have everything within themselves1 and that there is nothing whatever which they consider as good but what is within their own power4 ,nor can ,i by any means allow the same person1 who falls into the vulgar opinion of good and evil1 to make use of these expressions1 which can only become a great and exalted man4 ,struck with which glory1 up starts ,epicurus1 who1 with submission to the ,gods1 thinks a wise man always happy4 ,he is much charmed with the dignity of this opinion1 but he never would have owned that1 had he attended to himself3 for what is there more inconsistent1 than for one who could say that pain was the greatest or the only evil1 to think also that a wise man can possibly say in the midst of his torture1 ,how sweet is this6 ,we are not1 therefore1 to form our judgment of philosophers from detached sentences1 but from their consistency with themselves1 and their ordinary manner of talking4 ,,xi4 ,a4 ,you compel me to be of your opinion2 but have a care that you are not inconsistent yourself4 ,m4 ,in what respect8 ,a4 ,because ,i have lately read your fourth book on ,good and ,evil3 and in that you appeared to me1 while disputing against ,cato1 to be endeavouring to show1 which in my opinion means to prove1 that ,zeno and the ,peripatetics differ only about some new words2 but if we allow that1 what reason can there be1 if it follows from the arguments of ,zeno1 that virtue contains all that is necessary to a happy life1 that the ,peripatetics should not be at liberty to say the same8 ,for1 in my opinion1 regard should be had to the thing1 not to words4 ,m4 ,what8 you would convict me from my own words1 and bring against me what ,i had said or written elsewhere4 ,you may act in that manner with those who dispute by established rules3 we live from hand to mouth1 and say anything that strikes our mind with probability1 so that we are the only people who are really at liberty4 ,but1 since ,i just now spoke of consistency1 ,i do not think the inquiry in this place is1 if the opinion of ,zeno and his pupil ,aristo be true1 that nothing is good but what is honourable2 but1 admitting that1 then1 whether the whole of a happy life can be rested on virtue alone4 ,wherefore1 if we certainly grant ,brutus this1 that a wise man is always happy1 how consistent he is1 is his own business3 for who indeed is more worthy than himself of the glory of that opinion8 ,still we may maintain that such a man is more happy than any one else4 ,,xii4 ,though ,zeno the ,cittian1 a stranger and an inconsiderable coiner of words1 appears to have insinuated himself into the old philosophy2 still the prevalence of this opinion is due to the authority of ,plato1 who often makes use of this expression1 8that nothing but virtue can be entitled to the name of good10 agreeably to what ,socrates says in ,plato's ,gorgias2 for it is there related that when some one asked him if he did not think ,archelaus the son of ,perdiccas1 who was then looked upon as a most fortunate person1 a very happy man3 8,i do not know10 replied he1 8for ,i never conversed with him40 8,what1 is there no other way you can know it by80 8,none at all40 8,you cannot1 then1 pronounce of the great king of the ,persians1 whether he is happy or not80 8,how can ,i1 when ,i do not know how learned or how good a man he is80 8,what6 do you imagine that a happy life depends on that80 8,my opinion entirely is1 that good men are happy1 and the wicked miserable40 8,is ,archelaus1 then1 miserable80 8,certainly1 if unjust40 ,now does it not appear to you1 that he is here placing the whole of a happy life in virtue alone8 ,but what does the same man say in his funeral oration8 8,for10 saith he1 8whoever has everything that relates to a happy life so entirely dependent on himself as not to be connected with the good or bad fortune of another1 and not to be affected by1 or made in any degree uncertain by1 what befals another2 and whoever is such a one has acquired the best rule of living2 he is that moderate1 that brave1 that wise man1 who submits to the gain and loss of everything1 and especially of his children1 and obeys that old precept2 for he will never be too joyful or too sad1 because he depends entirely upon himself40 ,,xiii4 ,from ,plato1 therefore1 all my discourse shall be deduced1 as if from some sacred and hallowed fountain4 ,whence can ,i1 then1 more properly begin than from nature1 the parent of all8 ,for whatsoever she produces 7,i am not speaking only of animals1 but even of those things which have sprung from the earth in such a manner as to rest on their own roots7 she designed it to be perfect in its respective kind4 ,so that among trees and vines1 and those lower plants and trees which cannot advance themselves high above the earth1 some are evergreen1 others are stripped of their leaves in winter1 and1 warmed by the spring season1 put them out afresh1 and there are none of them but what are so quickened by a certain interior motion1 and their own seeds enclosed in every one1 so as to yield flowers1 fruit1 or berries1 that all may have every perfection that belongs to it1 provided no violence prevents it4 ,but the force of nature itself may be more easily discovered in animals1 as she has bestowed sense on them4 ,for some animals she has taught to swim1 and designed to be inhabitants of the water2 others she has enabled to fly1 and has willed that they should enjoy the boundless air2 some others she has made to creep1 others to walk4 ,again1 of these very animals1 some are solitary1 some gregarious1 some wild1 others tame1 some hidden and buried beneath the earth1 and every one of these maintains the law of nature1 confining itself to what was bestowed on it1 and unable to change its manner of life4 ,and as every animal has from nature something that distinguishes it1 which every one maintains and never quits2 so man has something far more excellent1 though everything is said to be excellent by comparison4 ,but the human mind1 being derived from the divine reason1 can be compared with nothing but with the ,deity itself1 if ,i may be allowed the expression4 ,this1 then1 if it is improved1 and when its perception is so preserved as not to be blinded by errors1 becomes a perfect understanding1 that is to say1 absolute reason1 which is the very same as virtue4 ,and if everything is happy which wants nothing1 and is complete and perfect in its kind1 and that is the peculiar lot of virtue2 certainly all who are possessed of virtue are happy4 ,and in this ,i agree with ,brutus1 and also with ,aristotle1 ,xenocrates1 ,speusippus1 ,polemon4 ,,xiv4 ,to me such are the only men who appear completely happy2 for what can he want to a complete happy life who relies on his own good qualities1 or how can he be happy who does not rely on them8 ,but he who makes a threefold division of goods must necessarily be diffident1 for how can he depend on having a sound body1 or that his fortune shall continue8 but no one can be happy without an immovable1 fixed1 and permanent good4 ,what1 then1 is this opinion of theirs8 ,so that ,i think that saying of the ,spartan may be applied to them1 who1 on some merchant's boasting before him1 that he had despatched ships to every maritime coast1 replied1 that a fortune which depended on ropes was not very desirable4 ,can there be any doubt that whatever may be lost1 cannot be properly classed in the number of those things which complete a happy life8 for of all that constitutes a happy life1 nothing will admit of withering1 or growing old1 or wearing out1 or decaying2 for whoever is apprehensive of any loss of these things cannot be happy2 the happy man should be safe1 well fenced1 well fortified1 out of the reach of all annoyance1 not like a man under trifling apprehensions1 but free from all such4 ,as he is not called innocent who but slightly offends1 but he who offends not at all2 so it is he alone who is to be considered without fear who is free from all fear1 not he who is but in little fear4 ,for what else is courage but an affection of mind1 that is ready to undergo perils1 and patient in the endurance of pain and labour without any alloy of fear8 ,now this certainly could not be the case1 if there were anything else good but what depended on honesty alone4 ,but how can any one be in possession of that desirable and much-coveted security 7for ,i now call a freedom from anxiety a security1 on which freedom a happy life depends7 who has1 or may have1 a multitude of evils attending him8 ,how can he be brave and undaunted1 and hold everything as trifles which can befal a man1 for so a wise man should do1 unless he be one who thinks that everything depends on himself8 ,could the ,lacedmonians without this1 when ,philip threatened to prevent all their attempts1 have asked him1 if he could prevent their killing themselves8 ,is it not easier1 then1 to find one man of such a spirit as we are inquiring after1 than to meet with a whole city of such men8 ,now1 if to this courage ,i am speaking of we add temperance1 that it may govern all our feelings and agitations1 what can be wanting to complete his happiness who is secured by his courage from uneasiness and fear2 and is prevented from immoderate desires and immoderate insolence of joy1 by temperance8 ,i could easily show that virtue is able to produce these effects1 but that ,i have explained on the foregoing days4 ,,xv4 ,but as the perturbations of the mind make life miserable1 and tranquillity renders it happy2 and as these perturbations are of two sorts1 grief and fear1 proceeding from imagined evils1 and as immoderate joy and lust arise from a mistake about what is good1 and as all these feelings are in opposition to reason and counsel2 when you see a man at ease1 quite free and disengaged from such troublesome commotions1 which are so much at variance with one another can you hesitate to pronounce such an one a happy man8 ,now the wise man is always in such a disposition1 therefore the wise man is always happy4 ,besides1 every good is pleasant2 whatever is pleasant may he boasted and talked of2 whatever may he boasted of1 is glorious1 but whatever is glorious is certainly laudable1 and whatever is laudable doubtless1 also1 honourable2 whatever1 then1 is good is honourable2 7but the things which they reckon as goods1 they themselves do not call honourable27 therefore what is honourable alone is good4 ,hence it follows that a happy life is comprised in honesty alone4 ,such things1 then1 are not to be called or considered goods1 when a man may enjoy an abundance of them1 and yet be most miserable4 ,is there any doubt but that a man who enjoys the best health1 and who has strength and beauty1 and his senses flourishing in their utmost quickness and perfection2 suppose him likewise1 if you please1 nimble and active1 nay1 give him riches1 honours1 authority1 power1 glory2 now1 ,i say1 should this person1 who is in possession of all these1 be unjust1 intemperate1 timid1 stupid1 or an idiot1 could you hesitate to call such an one miserable8 ,what1 then1 are those goods1 in the possession of which you may be very miserable8 ,let us see if a happy life is not made up of parts of the same nature1 as a heap implies a quantity of grain of the same kind4 ,and if this be once admitted1 happiness must be compounded of different good things which alone are honourable2 if there is any mixture of things of another sort with these1 nothing honourable can proceed from such a composition2 now1 take away honesty1 and how can you imagine anything happy8 ,for whatever is good is desirable on that account2 whatever is desirable must certainly be approved of2 whatever you approve of must be looked on as acceptable and welcome4 ,you must consequently impute dignity to this2 and if so1 it must necessarily be laudable2 therefore1 everything that is laudable is good4 ,hence it follows1 that what is honourable is the only good4 ,and should we not look upon it in this light1 there will be a great many things which we must call good4 ,,xvi4 ,i forbear to mention riches1 which1 as any one1 let him be ever so unworthy1 may have them1 ,i do not reckon amongst goods2 for what is good is not attainable by all4 ,i pass over notoriety1 and popular fame1 raised by the united voice of knaves and fools4 ,even things which are absolute nothings may be called goods2 such as white teeth1 handsome eyes1 a good complexion1 and what was commended by ,euryclea1 when she was washing ,ulysses's feet1 the softness of his skin and the mildness of his discourse4 ,if you look on these as goods1 what greater encomiums can the gravity of a philosopher be entitled to than the wild opinion of the vulgar and the thoughtless crowd8 ,the ,stoics give the name of excellent and choice to what the others call good3 they call them so1 indeed2 but they do not allow them to complete a happy life4 ,but these others think that there is no life happy without them2 or1 admitting it to be happy1 they deny it to be the most happy4 ,but our opinion is1 that it is the most happy2 and we prove it from that conclusion of ,socrates4 ,for thus that author of philosophy argued3 that as the disposition of a man's mind is1 so is the man3 such as the man is1 such will be his discourse3 his actions will correspond with his discourse1 and his life with his actions4 ,but the disposition of a good man's mind is laudable2 the life1 therefore1 of a good man is laudable3 it is honourable1 therefore1 because laudable3 the unavoidable conclusion from which is1 that the life of good men is happy4 ,for1 good ,gods6 did ,i not make it appear1 by my former arguments1--or was ,i only amusing myself and killing time in what ,i then said1--that the mind of a wise man was always free from every hasty motion which ,i call a perturbation1 and that the most undisturbed peace always reigned in his breast8 ,a man1 then1 who is temperate and consistent1 free from fear or grief1 and uninfluenced by any immoderate joy or desire1 cannot be otherwise than happy3 but a wise man is always so1 therefore he is always happy4 ,moreover1 how can a good man avoid referring all his actions and all his feelings to the one standard of whether or not it is laudable8 ,but he does refer everything to the object of living happily3 it follows1 then1 that a happy life is laudable2 but nothing is laudable without virtue3 a happy life1 then1 is the consequence of virtue4--,and this is the unavoidable conclusion to be drawn from these arguments4 ,,xvii4 ,a wicked life has nothing which we ought to speak of or glory in3 nor has that life which is neither happy nor miserable4 ,but there is a kind of life that admits of being spoken of1 and gloried in1 and boasted of2 as ,epaminondas saith1-- ,the wings of ,sparta's pride my counsels clipt4 ,and ,africanus boasts1-- ,who1 from beyond ,motis to the place ,where the sun rises1 deeds like mine can trace8 ,if1 then1 there is such a thing as a happy life1 it is to be gloried in1 spoken of1 and commended by the person who enjoys it3 for there is nothing excepting that which can be spoken of1 or gloried in2 and when that is once admitted1 you know what follows4 ,now1 unless an honourable life is a happy life1 there must of course be something preferable to a happy life3 for that which is honourable1 all men will certainly grant to be preferable to anything else4 ,and thus there will be something better than a happy life2 but what can be more absurd than such an assertion8 ,what6 when they grant vice to be effectual to the rendering life miserable1 must they not admit that there is a corresponding power in virtue to make life happy8 ,for contraries follow from contraries4 ,and here ,i ask1 what weight they think there is in the balance of ,critolaus1 who1 having put the goods of the mind into one scale1 and the goods of the body and other external advantages into the other1 thought the goods of the mind outweighed the others so far1 that they would require the whole earth and sea to equalise the scale4 ,,xviii4 ,what hinders ,critolaus1 then1 or that gravest of philosophers1 ,xenocrates 7who raises virtue so high1 and who lessens and depreciates everything else71 from not only placing a happy life1 but the happiest possible life1 in virtue8 and1 indeed1 if this were not the case1 virtue would be absolutely lost4 ,for whoever is subject to grief1 must necessarily be subject to fear too2 for fear is an uneasy apprehension of future grief3 and whoever is subject to fear is liable to dread1 timidity1 consternation1 cowardice4 ,therefore1 such a person may1 some time or other1 be defeated1 and not think himself concerned with that precept of ,atreus1-- ,and let men so conduct themselves in life1 ,as to be always strangers to defeat4 ,but such a man1 as ,i have said1 will be defeated2 and not only defeated1 but made a slave of4 ,but we would have virtue always free1 always invincible2 and were it not so1 there would be an end of virtue4 ,but if virtue has in herself all that is necessary for a good life1 she is certainly sufficient for happiness3 virtue is certainly sufficient1 too1 for our living with courage2 if with courage1 then with a magnanimous spirit1 and indeed so as never to be under any fear1 and thus to be always invincible4--,hence it follows1 that there can be nothing to be repented of1 no wants1 no lets or hindrances4 ,thus all things will be prosperous1 perfect1 and as you would have them2 and consequently happy3 but virtue is sufficient for living with courage1 and therefore virtue is able by herself to make life happy4 ,for as folly1 even when possessed of what it desires1 never thinks it has acquired enough3 so wisdom is always satisfied with the present1 and never repents on her own account4 ,,xix4 ,look but on the single consulship of ,llius1--and that1 too1 after having been set aside 7though when a wise and good man1 like him1 is outvoted1 the people are disappointed of a good consul1 rather than he disappointed by a vain people72 but the point is1 would you prefer1 were it in your power1 to be once such a consul as ,llius1 or be elected four times1 like ,cinna8 ,i have no doubt in the world what answer you will make1 and it is on that account ,i put the question to you4 ,i would not ask every one this question2 for some one perhaps might answer that he would not only prefer four consulates to one1 but even one day of ,cinna's life to whole ages of many famous men4 ,llius would have suffered had he but touched any one with his finger2 but ,cinna ordered the head of his colleague consul1 ,cn4 ,octavius1 to be struck off2 and put to death ,p4 ,crassus7#ajg7 and ,l4 ,csar17#ajh7 those excellent men1 so renowned both at home and abroad2 and even ,m4 ,antonius17#aji7 the greatest orator whom ,i ever heard2 and ,c4 ,csar1 who seems to me to have been the pattern of humanity1 politeness1 sweetness of temper1 and wit4 ,could he1 then1 be happy who occasioned the death of these men8 ,so far from it1 that he seems to be miserable1 not only for having performed these actions1 but also for acting in such a manner1 that it was lawful for him to do it1 though it is unlawful for any one to do wicked actions2 but this proceeds from inaccuracy of speech1 for we call whatever a man is allowed to do1 lawful4--,was not ,marius happier1 ,i pray you1 when he shared the glory of the victory gained over the ,cimbrians with his colleague ,catulus 7who was almost another ,llius1 for ,i look upon the two men as very like one another17 than when1 conqueror in the civil war1 he in a passion answered the friends of ,catulus1 who were interceding for him1 ,let him die8 ,and this answer he gave1 not once only1 but often4 ,but in such a case1 he was happier who submitted to that barbarous decree than he who issued it4 ,and it is better to receive an injury than to do one2 and so it was better to advance a little to meet that death that was making its approaches1 as ,catulus did1 than1 like ,marius1 to sully the glory of six consulships1 and disgrace his latter days1 by the death of such a man4 ,,xx4 ,dionysius exercised his tyranny over the ,syracusans thirty-eight years1 being but twenty-five years old when he seized on the government4 ,how beautiful and how wealthy a city did he oppress with slavery6 ,and yet we have it from good authority1 that he was remarkably temperate in his manner of living1 that he was very active and energetic in carrying on business1 but naturally mischievous and unjust2 from which description1 every one who diligently inquires into truth must inevitably see that he was very miserable4 ,neither did he attain what he so greatly desired1 even when he was persuaded that he had unlimited power2 for1 notwithstanding he was of a good family and reputable parents 7though that is contested by some authors71 and had a very large acquaintance of intimate friends and relations1 and also some youths attached to him by ties of love after the fashion of the ,greeks1 he could not trust any one of them1 but committed the guard of his person to slaves1 whom he had selected from rich men's families and made free1 and to strangers and barbarians4 ,and thus1 through an unjust desire of governing1 he in a manner shut himself up in a prison4 ,besides1 he would not trust his throat to a barber1 but had his daughters taught to shave2 so that these royal virgins were forced to descend to the base and slavish employment of shaving the head and beard of their father4 ,nor would he trust even them1 when they were grown up1 with a razor2 but contrived how they might burn off the hair of his head and beard with red-hot nut-shells4 ,and as to his two wives1 ,aristomache his countrywoman1 and ,doris of ,locris1 he never visited them at night before everything had been well searched and examined4 ,and as he had surrounded the place where his bed was with a broad ditch1 and made a way over it with a wooden bridge1 he drew that bridge over after shutting his bedchamber door4 ,and as he did not dare to stand on the ordinary pulpits from which they usually harangued the people1 he generally addressed them from a high tower4 ,and it is said1 that when he was disposed to play at ball1--for he delighted much in it1--and had pulled off his clothes1 he used to give his sword into the keeping of a young man whom he was very fond of4 ,on this1 one of his intimates said pleasantly1 8,you certainly trust your life with him20 and as the young man happened to smile at this1 he ordered them both to be slain1 the one for showing how he might be taken off1 the other for approving of what had been said by smiling4 ,but he was so concerned at what he had done1 that nothing affected him more during his whole life2 for he had slain one to whom he was extremely partial4 ,thus do weak men's desires pull them different ways1 and whilst they indulge one1 they act counter to another4 ,,xxi4 ,this tyrant1 however1 showed himself how happy he really was3 for once1 when ,damocles1 one of his flatterers1 was dilating in conversation on his forces1 his wealth1 the greatness of his power1 the plenty he enjoyed1 the grandeur of his royal palaces1 and maintaining that no one was ever happier1--8,have you an inclination10 said he1 8,damocles1 as this kind of life pleases you1 to have a taste of it yourself1 and to make a trial of the good fortune that attends me80 ,and when he said that he should like it extremely1 ,dionysius ordered him to be laid on a bed of gold with the most beautiful covering1 embroidered and wrought with the most exquisite work1 and he dressed out a great many sideboards with silver and embossed gold4 ,he then ordered some youths1 distinguished for their handsome persons1 to wait at his table1 and to observe his nod1 in order to serve him with what he wanted4 ,there were ointments and garlands2 perfumes were burned2 tables provided with the most exquisite meats4 ,damocles thought himself very happy4 ,in the midst of this apparatus1 ,dionysius ordered a bright sword to be let down from the ceiling1 suspended by a single horsehair1 so as to hang over the head of that happy man4 ,after which he neither cast his eye on those handsome waiters1 nor on the well wrought plate2 nor touched any of the provisions3 presently the garlands fell to pieces4 ,at last he entreated the tyrant to give him leave to go1 for that now he had no desire to be happy47#aaj7 ,does not ,dionysius1 then1 seem to have declared there can be no happiness for one who is under constant apprehensions8 ,but it was not now in his power to return to justice1 and restore his citizens their rights and privileges2 for1 by the indiscretion of youth1 he had engaged in so many wrong steps1 and committed such extravagances1 that had he attempted to have returned to a right way of thinking he must have endangered his life4 ,,xxii4 ,yet1 how desirous he was of friendship1 though at the same time he dreaded the treachery of friends1 appears from the story of those two ,pythagoreans3 one of these had been security for his friend1 who was condemned to die2 the other1 to release his security1 presented himself at the time appointed for his dying3 8,i wish10 said ,dionysius1 8you would admit me as the third in your friendship40 ,what misery was it for him to be deprived of acquaintance1 of company at his table1 and of the freedom of conversation2 especially for one who was a man of learning1 and from his childhood acquainted with liberal arts1 very fond of music1 and himself a tragic poet1--how good a one is not to the purpose1 for ,i know not how it is1 but in this way1 more than any other1 every one thinks his own performances excellent4 ,i never as yet knew any poet 7and ,i was very intimate with ,aquinius71 who did not appear to himself to be very admirable4 ,the case is this2 you are pleased with your own works1 ,i like mine4 ,but to return to ,dionysius3 he debarred himself from all civil and polite conversation1 and spent his life among fugitives1 bondmen1 and barbarians2 for he was persuaded that no one could be his friend who was worthy of liberty or had the least desire of being free4 ,,xxiii4 ,shall ,i not1 then1 prefer the life of ,plato and ,archytas1 manifestly wise and learned men1 to his1 than which nothing can possibly be more horrid1 or miserable1 or detestable8 ,i will present you with an humble and obscure mathematician of the same city1 called ,archimedes1 who lived many years after2 whose tomb1 overgrown with shrubs and briars1 ,i in my qustorship discovered1 when the ,syracusans knew nothing of it1 and even denied that there was any such thing remaining3 for ,i remembered some verses1 which ,i had been informed were engraved on his monument1 and these set forth that on the top of the tomb there was placed a sphere with a cylinder4 ,when ,i had carefully examined all the monuments 7for there are a great many tombs at the gate ,achradin71 ,i observed a small column standing out a little above the briars1 with the figure of a sphere and a cylinder upon it2 whereupon ,i immediately said to the ,syracusans1 for there were some of their principal men with me there1 that ,i imagined that was what ,i was inquiring for4 ,several men being sent in with scythes1 cleared the way1 and made an opening for us4 ,when we could get at it1 and were come near to the front of the pedestal1 ,i found the inscription1 though the latter parts of all the verses were effaced almost half away4 ,thus one of the noblest cities of ,greece1 and one which at one time likewise had been very celebrated for learning1 had known nothing of the monument of its greatest genius1 if it had not been discovered to them by a native of ,arpinum4 ,but to return to the subject from which ,i have been digressing4 ,who is there in the least degree acquainted with the ,muses1 that is1 with liberal knowledge1 or that deals at all in learning1 who would not choose to be this mathematician rather than that tyrant8 ,if we look into their methods of living and their employments1 we shall find the mind of the one strengthened and improved with tracing the deductions of reason1 amused with his own ingenuity1 which is the one most delicious food of the mind2 the thoughts of the other engaged in continual murders and injuries1 in constant fears by night and by day4 ,now imagine a ,democritus1 a ,pythagoras1 and an ,anaxagoras2 what kingdom1 what riches would you prefer to their studies and amusements8 for you must necessarily look for that excellence which we are seeking for in that which is the most perfect part of man2 but what is there better in man than a sagacious and good mind8 ,the enjoyment1 therefore1 of that good which proceeds from that sagacious mind1 can alone make us happy3 but virtue is the good of the mind2 it follows1 therefore1 that a happy life depends on virtue4 ,hence proceed all things that are beautiful1 honourable1 and excellent1 as ,i said above 7but this point must1 ,i think1 be treated of more at large71 and they are well stored with joys4 ,for1 as it is clear that a happy life consists in perpetual and unexhausted pleasures1 it follows too1 that a happy life must arise from honesty4 ,,xxiv4 ,but that what ,i propose to demonstrate to you may not rest on mere words only1 ,i must set before you the picture of something1 as it were1 living and moving in the world1 that may dispose us more for the improvement of the understanding and real knowledge4 ,let us1 then1 pitch upon some man perfectly acquainted with the most excellent arts2 let us present him for a while to our own thoughts1 and figure him to our own imaginations4 ,in the first place1 he must necessarily be of an extraordinary capacity2 for virtue is not easily connected with dull minds4 ,secondly1 he must have a great desire of discovering truth1 from whence will arise that threefold production of the mind2 one of which depends on knowing things1 and explaining nature3 the other in defining what we ought to desire1 and what to avoid3 the third in judging of consequences and impossibilities3 in which consists both subtilty in disputing1 and also clearness of judgment4 ,now with what pleasure must the mind of a wise man be affected1 which continually dwells in the midst of such cares and occupations as these1 when he views the revolutions and motions of the whole world1 and sees those innumerable stars in the heavens1 which1 though fixed in their places1 have yet one motion in common with the whole universe1 and observes the seven other stars1 some higher1 some lower1 each maintaining their own course1 while their motions1 though wandering1 have certain defined and appointed spaces to run through1 the sight of which doubtless urged and encouraged those ancient philosophers to exercise their investigating spirit on many other things4 ,hence arose an inquiry after the beginnings1 and1 as it were1 seeds from which all things were produced and composed2 what was the origin of every kind of thing1 whether animate or inanimate1 articulately speaking or mute2 what occasioned their beginning and end1 and by what alteration and change one thing was converted into another3 whence the earth originated1 and by what weights it was balanced3 by what caverns the seas were supplied3 by what gravity all things being carried down tend always to the middle of the world1 which in any round body is the lowest place4 ,,xxv4 ,a mind employed on such subjects1 and which night and day contemplates them1 contains in itself that precept of the ,delphic ,god1 so as to 8know itself10 and to perceive its connexion with the divine reason1 from whence it is filled with an insatiable joy4 ,for reflections on the power and nature of the ,gods raise in us a desire of imitating their eternity4 ,nor does the mind1 that sees the necessary dependences and connexions that one cause has with another1 think it possible that it should be itself confined to the shortness of this life4 ,those causes1 though they proceed from eternity to eternity1 are governed by reason and understanding4 ,and he who beholds them and examines them1 or rather he whose view takes in all the parts and boundaries of things1 with what tranquillity of mind does he look on all human affairs1 and on all that is nearer him6 ,hence proceeds the knowledge of virtue2 hence arise the kinds and species of virtues2 hence are discovered those things which nature regards as the bounds and extremities of good and evil2 by this it is discovered to what all duties ought to be referred1 and which is the most eligible manner of life4 ,and when these and similar points have been investigated1 the principal consequence which is deduced from them1 and that which is our main object in this discussion1 is the establishment of the point--that virtue is of itself sufficient to a happy life4 ,the third qualification of our wise man is the next to be considered1 which goes through and spreads itself over every part of wisdom2 it is that whereby we define each particular thing1 distinguish the genus from its species1 connect consequences1 draw just conclusions1 and distinguish truth from falsehood1 which is the very art and science of disputing2 which is not only of the greatest use in the examination of what passes in the world1 but is likewise the most rational entertainment1 and that which is most becoming to true wisdom4 ,such are its effects in retirement4 ,now let our wise man be considered as protecting the republic2 what can be more excellent than such a character8 ,by his prudence he will discover the true interests of his fellow-citizens1 by his justice he will be prevented from applying what belongs to the public to his own use2 and in short1 he will be ever governed by all the virtues which are many and various8 ,to these let us add the advantage of his friendships2 in which the learned reckon not only a natural harmony and agreement of sentiments throughout the conduct of life1 but the utmost pleasure and satisfaction in conversing and passing our time constantly with one another4 ,what can be wanting to such a life as this1 to make it more happy than it is8 ,fortune herself must yield to a life stored with such joys4 ,now if it be a happiness to rejoice in such goods of the mind1 that is to say1 in such virtues1 and if all wise men enjoy thoroughly these pleasures1 it must necessarily be granted that all such are happy4 ,,xxvi4 ,a4 ,what1 when in torments and on the rack8 ,m4 ,do you imagine ,i am speaking of him as laid on roses and violets8 ,is it allowable even for ,epicurus 7who only puts on the appearance of being a philosopher1 and who himself assumed that name for himself17 to say1 7though as matters stand1 ,i commend him for his saying17 that a wise man might at all times cry out1 though he be burned1 tortured1 cut to pieces1 8,how little ,i regard it60 ,shall this be said by one who defines all evil as pain1 and measures every good by pleasure2 who could ridicule whatever we call either honourable or base1 and could declare of us that we were employed about words1 and uttering mere empty sounds2 and that nothing is to be regarded by us1 but as it is perceived to be smooth or rough by the body8 ,what1 shall such a man as this1 as ,i said1 whose understanding is little superior to the beasts1 be at liberty to forget himself2 and not only to despise fortune1 when the whole of his good and evil is in the power of fortune1 but to say1 that he is happy in the most racking torture1 when he had actually declared pain to be not only the greatest evil1 but the only one8 ,nor did he take any trouble to provide himself with those remedies which might have enabled him to bear pain2 such as firmness of mind1 a shame of doing anything base1 exercise1 and the habit of patience1 precepts of courage1 and a manly hardiness3 but he says that he supports himself on the single recollection of past pleasures1 as if any one1 when the weather was so hot as that he was scarcely able to bear it1 should comfort himself by recollecting that he was once in my country ,arpinum1 where he was surrounded on every side by cooling streams3 for ,i do not apprehend how past pleasures can allay present evils4 ,but when he says that a wise man is always happy1 who would have no right to say so if he were consistent with himself1 what may they not do1 who allow nothing to be desirable1 nothing to be looked on as good but what is honourable8 ,let1 then1 the ,peripatetics and old ,academics follow my example1 and at length leave off muttering to themselves2 and openly and with a clear voice let them be bold to say1 that a happy life may not be inconsistent with the agonies of ,phalaris's bull4 ,,xxvii4 ,but to dismiss the subtleties of the ,stoics1 which ,i am sensible ,i have employed more than was necessary1 let us admit of three kinds of goods3 and let them really be kinds of goods1 provided no regard is had to the body1 and to external circumstances1 as entitled to the appellation of good in any other sense than because we are obliged to use them3 but let those other divine goods spread themselves far in every direction1 and reach the very heavens4 ,why1 then1 may ,i not call him happy1 nay1 the happiest of men1 who has attained them8 ,shall a wise man be afraid of pain8 which is1 indeed1 the greatest enemy to our opinion4 ,for ,i am persuaded that we are prepared and fortified sufficiently1 by the disputations of the foregoing days1 against our own death1 or that of our friends1 against grief and the other perturbations of the mind4 ,but pain seems to be the sharpest adversary of virtue3 that it is which menaces us with burning torches2 that it is which threatens to crush our fortitude1 and greatness of mind1 and patience4 ,shall virtue then yield to this8 ,shall the happy life of a wise and consistent man succumb to this8 ,good ,gods6 how base would this be6 ,spartan boys will bear to have their bodies torn by rods without uttering a groan4 ,i myself have seen at ,lacedmon1 troops of young men1 with incredible earnestness contending together with their hands and feet1 with their teeth and nails1 nay even ready to expire1 rather than own themselves conquered4 ,is any country of barbarians more uncivilized or desolate than ,india8 ,yet they have amongst them some that are held for wise men1 who never wear any clothes all their life long1 and who bear the snow of ,caucasus1 and the piercing cold of winter1 without any pain3 and who if they come in contact with fire endure being burned without a groan4 ,the women too1 in ,india1 on the death of their husbands have a regular contest1 and apply to the judge to have it determined which of them was best beloved by him2 for it is customary there for one man to have many wives4 ,she in whose favour it is determined exults greatly1 and being attended by her relations is laid on the funeral pile with her husband3 the others1 who are postponed1 walk away very much dejected4 ,custom can never be superior to nature3 for nature is never to be got the better of4 ,but our minds are infected by sloth and idleness1 and luxury1 and languor1 and indolence3 we have enervated them by opinions1 and bad customs4 ,who is there who is unacquainted with the customs of the ,egyptians8 ,their minds being tainted by pernicious opinions1 they are ready to bear any torture1 rather than hurt an ibis1 a snake1 a cat1 a dog1 or a crocodile3 and should any one inadvertently have hurt any of these animals1 he will submit to any punishment4 ,i am speaking of men only4 ,as to the beasts1 do they not bear cold and hunger1 running about in woods1 and on mountains and deserts8 will they not fight for their young ones till they are wounded8 ,are they afraid of any attacks or blows8 ,i mention not what the ambitious will suffer for honour's sake1 or those who are desirous of praise on account of glory1 or lovers to gratify their lust4 ,life is full of such instances4 ,,xxviii4 ,but let us not dwell too much on these questions1 but rather let us return to our subject4 ,i say1 and say again1 that happiness will submit even to be tormented2 and that in pursuit of justice1 and temperance1 and still more especially and principally fortitude1 and greatness of soul1 and patience1 it will not stop short at sight of the executioner2 and when all other virtues proceed calmly to the torture1 that one will never halt1 as ,i said1 on the outside and threshold of the prison3 for what can be baser1 what can carry a worse appearance1 than to be left alone1 separated from those beautiful attendants8 not however that this is by any means possible3 for neither can the virtues hold together without happiness1 nor happiness without the virtues3 so that they will not suffer her to desert them1 but will carry her along with them1 to whatever torments1 to whatever pain they are led4 ,for it is the peculiar quality of a wise man to do nothing that he may repent of1 nothing against his inclination3 but always to act nobly1 with constancy1 gravity1 and honesty3 to depend on nothing as certainty3 to wonder at nothing1 when it falls out1 as if it appeared strange and unexpected to him3 to be independent of every one1 and abide by his own opinion4 ,for my part1 ,i cannot form an idea of anything happier than this4 ,the conclusion of the ,stoics is indeed easy2 for since they are persuaded that the end of good is to live agreeably to nature1 and to be consistent with that1--as a wise man should do so1 not only because it is his duty1 but because it is in his power1 it must of course follow1 that whoever has the chief good in his power1 has his happiness so too4 ,and thus the life of a wise man is always happy4 ,you have here what ,i think may be confidently said of a happy life1 and as things now stand1 very truly also1 unless you can advance something better4 ,,xxix4 ,a4 ,indeed ,i cannot2 but ,i should be glad to prevail on you1 unless it is troublesome 7as you are under no confinement from obligations to any particular sect1 but gather from all of them whatever strikes you most as having the appearance of probability71 as you just now seemed to advise the ,peripatetics and the ,old ,academy1 boldly to speak out without reserve1 8that wise men are always the happiest10--,i should be glad to hear how you think it consistent for them to say so1 when you have said so much against that opinion1 and the conclusions of the ,stoics4 ,m4 ,i will make use1 then1 of that liberty which no one has the privilege of using in philosophy but those of our school1 whose discourses determine nothing1 but take in everything1 leaving them1 unsupported by the authority of any particular person1 to be judged of by others1 according to their weight4 ,and as you seem desirous of knowing how it is that1 notwithstanding the different opinions of philosophers with regard to the ends of goods1 virtue has still sufficient security for the effecting of a happy life1--which security1 as we are informed1 ,carneades used indeed to dispute against2 but he disputed as against the ,stoics1 whose opinions he combated with great zeal and vehemence1--,i however shall handle the question with more temper2 for if the ,stoics have rightly settled the ends of goods1 the affair is at an end2 for a wise man must necessarily be always happy4 ,but let us examine1 if we can1 the particular opinions of the others1 that so this excellent decision1 if ,i may so call it1 in favour of a happy life1 may be agreeable to the opinions and discipline of all4 ,,xxx4 ,these then are the opinions1 as ,i think1 that are held and defended3 the first four are simple ones2 8that nothing is good but what is honest10 according to the ,stoics3 nothing good but pleasure1 as ,epicurus maintains3 8nothing good but a freedom from pain10 as ,hieronymus7#aaa7 asserts3 8nothing good but an enjoyment of the principal1 or all1 or the greatest goods of nature10 as ,carneades maintained against the ,stoics3--these are simple1 the others are mixed propositions4 ,then there are three kinds of goods2 the greatest being those of the mind1 the next best those of the body1 the third are external goods1 as the ,peripatetics call them1 and the old ,academics differ very little from them4 ,dinomachus7#aab7 and ,callipho7#aac7 have coupled pleasure with honesty3 but ,diodorus17#aad7 the ,peripatetic1 has joined indolence to honesty4 ,these are the opinions that have some footing2 for those of ,aristo17#aae7 ,pyrrho17#aaf7 ,herillus17#aag7 and of some others1 are quite out of date4 ,now let us see what weight these men have in them1 excepting the ,stoics1 whose opinion ,i think ,i have sufficiently defended2 and indeed ,i have explained what the ,peripatetics have to say2 excepting that ,theophrastus1 and those who followed him1 dread and abhor pain in too weak a manner4 ,the others may go on to exaggerate the gravity and dignity of virtue1 as usual2 and then1 after they have extolled it to the skies1 with the usual extravagance of good orators1 it is easy to reduce the other topics to nothing by comparison1 and to hold them up to contempt4 ,they who think that praise deserves to be sought after1 even at the expense of pain1 are not at liberty to deny those men to be happy1 who have obtained it4 ,though they may be under some evils1 yet this name of happy has a very wide application4 ,,xxxi4 ,for even as trading is said to be lucrative1 and farming advantageous1 not because the one never meets with any loss1 nor the other with any damage from the inclemency of the weather1 but because they succeed in general3 so life may be properly called happy1 not from its being entirely made up of good things1 but because it abounds with these to a great and considerable degree4 ,by this way of reasoning1 then1 a happy life may attend virtue even to the moment of execution2 nay1 may descend with her into ,phalaris's bull1 according to ,aristotle1 ,xenocrates1 ,speusippus1 ,polemon2 and will not be gained over by any allurements to forsake her4 ,of the same opinion will ,calliphon and ,diodorus be3 for they are both of them such friends to virtue1 as to think that all things should be discarded and far removed that are incompatible with it4 ,the rest seem to be more hampered with these doctrines1 but yet they get clear of them2 such as ,epicurus1 ,hieronymus1 and whoever else thinks it worth while to defend the deserted ,carneades3 for there is not one of them who does not think the mind to be judge of those goods1 and able sufficiently to instruct him how to despise what has the appearance only of good or evil4 ,for what seems to you to be the case with ,epicurus1 is the case also with ,hieronymus and ,carneades1 and indeed with all the rest of them3 for who is there who is not sufficiently prepared against death and pain8 ,i will begin1 with your leave1 with him whom we call soft and voluptuous4 ,what6 does he seem to you to be afraid of death or pain1 when he calls the day of his death happy2 and who1 when he is afflicted by the greatest pains1 silences them all by recollecting arguments of his own discovering8 ,and this is not done in such a manner as to give room for imagining that he talks thus wildly from some sudden impulse3 but his opinion of death is1 that on the dissolution of the animal1 all sense is lost2 and what is deprived of sense is1 as he thinks1 what we have no concern at all with4 ,and as to pain too1 he has certain rules to follow then3 if it be great1 the comfort is1 that it must be short2 if it be of long continuance1 then it must be supportable4 ,what then8 ,do those grandiloquent gentlemen state anything better than ,epicurus1 in opposition to these two things which distress us the most8 ,and as to other things1 do not ,epicurus and the rest of the philosophers seem sufficiently prepared8 ,who is there who does not dread poverty8 ,and yet no true philosopher ever can dread it4 ,,xxxii4 ,but with how little is this man himself satisfied8 ,no one has said more on frugality4 ,for when a man is far removed from those things which occasion a desire of money1 from love1 ambition1 or other daily extravagance1 why should he be fond of money1 or concern himself at all about it8 ,could the ,scythian ,anacharsis7#aah7 disregard money1 and shall not our philosophers be able to do so8 ,we are informed of an epistle of his1 in these words3 8,anacharsis to ,hanno1 greeting4 ,my clothing is the same as that with which the ,scythians cover themselves2 the hardness of my feet supplies the want of shoes2 the ground is my bed1 hunger my sauce1 my food milk1 cheese1 and flesh4 ,so you may come to me as to a man in want of nothing4 ,but as to those presents you take so much pleasure in1 you may dispose of them to your own citizens1 or to the immortal gods40 ,and almost all philosophers1 of all schools1 excepting those who are warped from right reason by a vicious disposition1 might have been of this same opinion4 ,socrates1 when on one occasion he saw a great quantity of gold and silver carried in a procession1 cried out1 8,how many things are there which ,i do not want60 ,xenocrates1 when some ambassadors from ,alexander had brought him fifty talents1 which was a very large sum of money in those times1 especially at ,athens1 carried the ambassadors to sup in the ,academy2 and placed just a sufficiency before them1 without any apparatus4 ,when they asked him1 the next day1 to whom he wished the money which they had for him to be paid3 8,what80 said he1 8did you not perceive by our slight repast of yesterday1 that ,i had no occasion for money80 ,but when he perceived that they were somewhat dejected1 he accepted of thirty min1 that he might not seem to treat with disrespect the king's generosity4 ,but ,diogenes took a greater liberty1 like a ,cynic1 when ,alexander asked him if he wanted anything3 8,just at present10 said he1 8,i wish that you would stand a little out of the line between me and the sun10 for ,alexander was hindering him from sunning himself4 ,and indeed this very man used to maintain how much he surpassed the ,persian king1 in his manner of life and fortune2 for that he himself was in want of nothing1 while the other never had enough2 and that he had no inclination for those pleasures of which the other could never get enough to satisfy himself3 and that the other could never obtain his4 ,,xxxiii4 ,you see1 ,i imagine1 how ,epicurus has divided his kinds of desires1 not very acutely perhaps1 but yet usefully3 saying1 that they are 8partly natural and necessary2 partly natural1 but not necessary2 partly neither4 ,that those which are necessary may be supplied almost for nothing2 for that the things which nature requires are easily obtained40 ,as to the second kind of desires1 his opinion is1 that any one may easily either enjoy or go without them4 ,and with regard to the third1 since they are utterly frivolous1 being neither allied to necessity nor nature1 he thinks that they should be entirely rooted out4 ,on this topic a great many arguments are adduced by the ,epicureans2 and those pleasures which they do not despise in a body1 they disparage one by one1 and seem rather for lessening the number of them3 for as to wanton pleasures1 on which subject they say a great deal1 these1 say they1 are easy1 common1 and within any one's reach2 and they think that if nature requires them1 they are not to be estimated by birth1 condition1 or rank1 but by shape1 age1 and person3 and that it is by no means difficult to refrain from them1 should health1 duty1 or reputation require it2 but that pleasures of this kind may be desirable1 where they are attended with no inconvenience1 but can never be of any use4 ,and the assertions which ,epicurus makes with respect to the whole of pleasure1 are such as show his opinion to be that pleasure is always desirable1 and to be pursued merely because it is pleasure2 and for the same reason pain is to be avoided1 because it is pain4 ,so that a wise man will always adopt such a system of counterbalancing as to do himself the justice to avoid pleasure1 should pain ensue from it in too great a proportion2 and will submit to pain1 provided the effects of it are to produce a greater pleasure3 so that all pleasurable things1 though the corporeal senses are the judges of them1 are still to be referred to the mind1 on which account the body rejoices1 whilst it perceives a present pleasure2 but that the mind not only perceives the present as well as the body1 but foresees it1 while it is coming1 and even when it is past will not let it quite slip away4 ,so that a wise man enjoys a continual series of pleasures1 uniting the expectation of future pleasure to the recollection of what he has already tasted4 ,the like notions are applied by them to high living2 and the magnificence and expensiveness of entertainments are deprecated1 because nature is satisfied at a small expense4 ,,xxxiv4 ,for who does not see this1 that an appetite is the best sauce8 ,when ,darius1 in his flight from the enemy1 had drunk some water which was muddy and tainted with dead bodies1 he declared that he had never drunk anything more pleasant2 the fact was1 that he had never drunk before when he was thirsty4 ,nor had ,ptolemy ever eaten when he was hungry3 for as he was travelling over ,egypt1 his company not keeping up with him1 he had some coarse bread presented him in a cottage3 upon which he said1 8,nothing ever seemed to him pleasanter than that bread40 ,they relate too of ,socrates1 that1 once when he was walking very fast till the evening1 on his being asked why he did so1 his reply was that he was purchasing an appetite by walking1 that he might sup the better4 ,and do we not see what the ,lacedmonians provide in their ,phiditia8 where the tyrant ,dionysius supped1 but told them he did not at all like that black broth1 which was their principal dish2 on which he who dressed it said1 8,it was no wonder1 for it wanted seasoning40 ,dionysius asked what that seasoning was2 to which it was replied1 8,fatigue in hunting1 sweating1 a race on the banks of ,eurotas1 hunger1 and thirst30 for these are the seasonings to the ,lacedmonian banquets4 ,and this may not only be conceived from the custom of men1 but from the beasts1 who are satisfied with anything that is thrown before them1 provided it is not unnatural1 and they seek no farther4 ,some entire cities1 taught by custom1 delight in parsimony1 as ,i said but just now of the ,lacedmonians4 ,xenophon has given an account of the ,persian diet2 who never1 as he saith1 use anything but cresses with their bread1 not but that1 should nature require anything more agreeable1 many things might be easily supplied by the ground1 and plants in great abundance1 and of incomparable sweetness4 ,add to this1 strength and health1 as the consequence of this abstemious way of living4 ,now compare with this1 those who sweat and belch1 being crammed with eating1 like fatted oxen3 then will you perceive that they who pursue pleasure most1 attain it least3 and that the pleasure of eating lies not in satiety1 but appetite4 ,,xxxv4 ,they report of ,timotheus1 a famous man at ,athens1 and the head of the city1 that having supped with ,plato1 and being extremely delighted with his entertainment1 on seeing him the next day1 he said1 8,your suppers are not only agreeable whilst ,i partake of them1 but the next day also40 ,besides1 the understanding is impaired when we are full with over-eating and drinking4 ,there is an excellent epistle of ,plato to ,dion's relations1 in which there occurs as nearly as possible these words3 8,when ,i came there1 that happy life so much talked of1 devoted to ,italian and ,syracusan entertainments1 was no ways agreeable to me2 to be crammed twice a day1 and never to have the night to yourself1 and the other things which are the accompaniments of this kind of life1 by which a man will never be made the wiser1 but will be rendered much less temperate2 for it must be an extraordinary disposition that can be temperate in such circumstances40 ,how1 then1 can a life be pleasant without prudence and temperance8 ,hence you discover the mistake of ,sardanapalus1 the wealthiest king of the ,assyrians1 who ordered it to be engraved on his tomb1 ,i still have what in food ,i did exhaust1 ,but what ,i left1 though excellent1 is lost4 8,what less than this10 says ,aristotle1 8could be inscribed on the tomb1 not of a king but an ox80 ,he said that he possessed those things when dead1 which1 in his lifetime1 he could have no longer than whilst he was enjoying them4 ,why1 then1 are riches desired8 ,and wherein doth poverty prevent us from being happy8 ,in the want1 ,i imagine1 of statues1 pictures1 and diversions4 ,but if any one is delighted with these things1 have not the poor people the enjoyment of them more than they who are the owners of them in the greatest abundance8 ,for we have great numbers of them displayed publicly in our city4 ,and whatever store of them private people have1 they cannot have a great number1 and they but seldom see them1 only when they go to their country seats2 and some of them must be stung to the heart when they consider how they came by them4 ,the day would fail me1 should ,i be inclined to defend the cause of poverty3 the thing is manifest1 and nature daily informs us how few things there are1 and how trifling they are1 of which she really stands in need4 ,,xxxvi4 ,let us inquire1 then1 if obscurity1 the want of power1 or even the being unpopular1 can prevent a wise man from being happy4 ,observe if popular favour1 and this glory which they are so fond of1 be not attended with more uneasiness than pleasure4 ,our friend ,demosthenes was certainly very weak in declaring himself pleased with the whisper of a woman who was carrying water1 as is the custom in ,greece1 and who whispered to another1 8,that is he--that is ,demosthenes40 ,what could be weaker than this8 and yet what an orator he was6 ,but although he had learned to speak to others1 he had conversed but little with himself4 ,we may perceive1 therefore1 that popular glory is not desirable of itself2 nor is obscurity to be dreaded4 8,i came to ,athens10 saith ,democritus1 8and there was no one there that knew me30 this was a moderate and grave man who could glory in his obscurity4 ,shall musicians compose their tunes to their own tastes2 and shall a philosopher1 master of a much better art1 seek to ascertain1 not what is most true1 but what will please the people8 ,can anything be more absurd than to despise the vulgar as mere unpolished mechanics1 taken singly1 and to think them of consequence when collected into a body8 ,these wise men would contemn our ambitious pursuits1 and our vanities1 and would reject all the honours which the people could voluntarily offer to them3 but we know not how to despise them till we begin to repent of having accepted them4 ,there is an anecdote related by ,heraclitus the natural philosopher1 of ,hermodorus the chief of the ,ephesians1 that he said1 8that all the ,ephesians ought to be punished with death1 for saying1 when they had expelled ,hermodorus out of their city1 that they would have no one amongst them better than another2 but that if there were any such1 he might go elsewhere to some other people40 ,is not this the case with the people everywhere8 do they not hate every virtue that distinguishes itself8 ,what6 was not ,aristides 7,i had rather instance in the ,greeks than ourselves7 banished his country for being eminently just8 ,what troubles1 then1 are they free from who have no connexion whatever with the people6 ,what is more agreeable than a learned retirement8 ,i speak of that learning which makes us acquainted with the boundless extent of nature1 and the universe1 and which even while we remain in this world discovers to us both heaven1 earth1 and sea4 ,,xxxvii4 ,if1 then1 honour and riches have no value1 what is there else to be afraid of8 ,banishment1 ,i suppose2 which is looked on as the greatest evil4 ,now1 if the evil of banishment proceeds not from ourselves1 but from the froward disposition of the people1 ,i have just now declared how contemptible it is4 ,but if to leave one's country be miserable1 the provinces are full of miserable men2 very few of the settlers in which ever return to their country again4 ,but exiles are deprived of their property6 ,what1 then6 has there not been enough said on bearing poverty8 ,but with regard to banishment1 if we examine the nature of things1 not the ignominy of the name1 how little does it differ from constant travelling8 in which some of the most famous philosophers have spent their whole life3 as ,xenocrates1 ,crantor1 ,arcesilas1 ,lacydes1 ,aristotle1 ,theophrastus1 ,zeno1 ,cleanthes1 ,chrysippus1 ,antipater1 ,carneades1 ,pantius1 ,clitomachus1 ,philo1 ,antiochus1 ,posidonius1 and innumerable others2 who from their first setting out never returned home again4 ,now what ignominy can a wise man be affected with 7for it is of such a one that ,i am speaking7 who can be guilty of nothing which deserves it2 for there is no occasion to comfort one who is banished for his deserts4 ,lastly1 they can easily reconcile themselves to every accident who measure all their objects and pursuits in life by the standard of pleasure2 so that in whatever place that is supplied1 there they may live happily4 ,thus what ,teucer said may be applied to every case3 ,wherever ,i am happy1 is my country4 ,socrates1 indeed1 when he was asked where he belonged to1 replied1 8,the world20 for he looked upon himself as a citizen and inhabitant of the whole world4 ,how was it with ,t4 ,altibutius8 ,did he not follow his philosophical studies with the greatest satisfaction at ,athens1 although he was banished8 which1 however1 would not have happened to him1 if he had obeyed the laws of ,epicurus1 and lived peaceably in the republic4 ,in what was ,epicurus happier1 living in his own country1 than ,metrodorus who lived at ,athens8 ,or did ,plato's happiness exceed that of ,xenocrates1 or ,polemo1 or ,arcesilas8 ,or is that city to be valued much1 that banishes all her good and wise men8 ,demaratus1 the father of our king ,tarquin1 not being able to bear the tyrant ,cypselus1 fled from ,corinth to ,tarquinii1 settled there1 and had children4 ,was it1 then1 an unwise act in him to prefer the liberty of banishment to slavery at home8 ,,xxxviii4 ,besides the emotions of the mind1 all griefs and anxieties are assuaged by forgetting them1 and turning our thoughts to pleasure4 ,therefore1 it was not without reason that ,epicurus presumed to say that a wise man abounds with good things1 because he may always have his pleasures3 from whence it follows1 as he thinks1 that that point is gained1 which is the subject of our present inquiry1 that a wise man is always happy4 ,what6 though he should be deprived of the senses of seeing and hearing8 ,yes2 for he holds those things very cheap4 ,for1 in the first place1 what are the pleasures of which we are deprived by that dreadful thing1 blindness8 ,for though they allow other pleasures to be confined to the senses1 yet the things which are perceived by the sight do not depend wholly on the pleasure the eyes receive2 as is the case when we taste1 smell1 touch1 or hear2 for1 in respect of all these senses1 the organs themselves are the seat of pleasure2 but it is not so with the eyes4 ,for it is the mind which is entertained by what we see2 but the mind may be entertained in many ways1 even though we could not see at all4 ,i am speaking of a learned and a wise man1 with whom to think is to live4 ,but thinking in the case of a wise man does not altogether require the use of his eyes in his investigations2 for if night does not strip him of his happiness1 why should blindness1 which resembles night1 have that effect8 ,for the reply of ,antipater the ,cyrenaic1 to some women who bewailed his being blind1 though it is a little too obscene1 is not without its significance4 8,what do you mean80 saith he2 8do you think the night can furnish no pleasure80 ,and we find by his magistracies and his actions1 that old ,appius7#aai7 too1 who was blind for many years1 was not prevented from doing whatever was required of him1 with respect either to the republic or his own affairs4 ,it is said1 that ,c4 ,drusus's house was crowded with clients4 ,when they1 whose business it was1 could not see how to conduct themselves1 they applied to a blind guide4 ,,xxxix4 ,when ,i was a boy1 ,cn4 ,aufidius1 a blind man1 who had served the office of prtor1 not only gave his opinion in the senate1 and was ready to assist his friends1 but wrote a ,greek history1 and had a considerable acquaintance with literature4 ,diodorus the ,stoic was blind1 and lived many years at my house4 ,he1 indeed1 which is scarcely credible1 besides applying himself more than usual to philosophy1 and playing on the flute1 agreeably to the custom of the ,pythagoreans1 and having books read to him night and day1 in all which he did not want eyes1 contrived to teach geometry1 which1 one would think1 could hardly be done without the assistance of eyes1 telling his scholars how and where to draw every line4 ,they relate of ,asclepiades1 a native of ,eretria1 and no obscure philosopher1 when some one asked him what inconvenience he suffered from his blindness1 that his reply was1 8,he was at the expense of another servant40 ,so that1 as the most extreme poverty may be borne1 if you please1 as is daily the case with some in ,greece2 so blindness may easily be borne1 provided you have the support of good health in other respects4 ,democritus was so blind he could not distinguish white from black3 but he knew the difference betwixt good and evil1 just and unjust1 honourable and base1 the useful and useless1 great and small4 ,thus one may live happily without distinguishing colours2 but without acquainting yourself with things1 you cannot2 and this man was of opinion1 that the intense application of the mind was taken off by the objects that presented themselves to the eye1 and while others often could not see what was before their feet1 he travelled through all infinity4 ,it is reported also that ,homer7#abj7 was blind1 but we observe his painting1 as well as his poetry4 ,what country1 what coast1 what part of ,greece1 what military attacks1 what dispositions of battle1 what army1 what ship1 what motions of men and animals can be mentioned which he has not described in such a manner as to enable us to see what he could not see himself8 ,what1 then6 can we imagine that ,homer1 or any other learned man1 has ever been in want of pleasure and entertainment for his mind8 ,were it not so1 would ,anaxagoras1 or this very ,democritus1 have left their estates and patrimonies1 and given themselves up to the pursuit of acquiring this divine pleasure8 ,it is thus that the poets who have represented ,tiresias the ,augur as a wise man and blind1 never exhibit him as bewailing his blindness4 ,and ,homer1 too1 after he had described ,polyphemus as a monster and a wild man1 represents him talking with his ram1 and speaking of his good fortune1 inasmuch as he could go wherever he pleased and touch what he would4 ,and so far he was right1 for that ,cyclops was a being of not much more understanding than his ram4 ,,xl4 ,now1 as to the evil of being deaf3 ,m4 ,crassus was a little thick of hearing2 but it was more uneasiness to him that he heard himself ill spoken of1 though1 in my opinion1 he did not deserve it4 ,our ,epicureans cannot understand ,greek1 nor the ,greeks ,latin3 now1 they are deaf reciprocally as to each other's language1 and we are all truly deaf with regard to those innumerable languages which we do not understand4 ,they do not hear the voice of the harper2 but then they do not hear the grating of a saw when it is setting1 or the grunting of a hog when his throat is being cut1 nor the roaring of the sea when they are desirous of rest4 ,and if they should chance to be fond of singing1 they ought in the first place to consider that many wise men lived happily before music was discovered2 besides1 they may have more pleasure in reading verses than in hearing them sung4 ,then1 as ,i before referred the blind to the pleasures of hearing1 so ,i may the deaf to the pleasures of sight3 moreover1 whoever can converse with himself doth not need the conversation of another4 ,but suppose all these misfortunes to meet in one person3 suppose him blind and deaf1--let him be afflicted with the sharpest pains of body1 which1 in the first place1 generally of themselves make an end of him2 still1 should they continue so long1 and the pain be so exquisite1 that we should be unable to assign any reason for our being so afflicted1--still1 why1 good ,gods6 should we be under any difficulty8 ,for there is a retreat at hand3 death is that retreat--a shelter where we shall for ever be insensible4 ,theodoras said to ,lysimachus1 who threatened him with death1 8,it is a great matter1 indeed1 for you to have acquired the power of a ,spanish fly60 ,when ,perses entreated ,paulus not to lead him in triumph1 8,that is a matter which you have in your own power10 said ,paulus4 ,i said many things about death in our first day's disputation1 when death was the subject2 and not a little the next day1 when ,i treated of pain2 which things if you recollect1 there can be no danger of your looking upon death as undesirable1 or at least it will not be dreadful4 ,that custom which is common among the ,grecians at their banquets should1 in my opinion1 be observed in life3--,drink1 say they1 or leave the company3 and rightly enough2 for a guest should either enjoy the pleasure of drinking with others1 or else not stay till he meets with affronts from those that are in liquor4 ,thus1 those injuries of fortune which you cannot bear1 you should flee from4 ,,xli4 ,this is the very same which is said by ,epicurus and ,hieronymus4 ,now1 if those philosophers1 whose opinion it is that virtue has no power of itself1 and who say that the conduct which we denominate honourable and laudable is really nothing1 and is only an empty circumstance set off with an unmeaning sound1 can nevertheless maintain that a wise man is always happy1 what1 think you1 may be done by the ,socratic and ,platonic philosophers4 ,some of these allow such superiority to the goods of the mind1 as quite to eclipse what concerns the body and all external circumstances4 ,but others do not admit these to be goods2 they make everything depend on the mind3 whose disputes ,carneades used1 as a sort of honorary arbitrator1 to determine4 ,for1 as what seemed goods to the ,peripatetics were allowed to be advantages by the ,stoics1 and as the ,peripatetics allowed no more to riches1 good health1 and other things of that sort1 than the ,stoics1 when these things were considered according to their reality1 and not by mere names1 his opinion was that there was no ground for disagreeing4 ,therefore1 let the philosophers of other schools see how they can establish this point also4 ,it is very agreeable to me that they make some professions worthy of being uttered by the mouth of a philosopher1 with regard to a wise man's having always the means of living happily4 ,,xlii4 ,but as we are to depart in the morning1 let us remember these five days' discussions2 though1 indeed1 ,i think ,i shall commit them to writing3 for how can ,i better employ the leisure which ,i have1 of whatever kind it is1 and whatever it be owing to8 and ,i will send these five books also to my friend ,brutus1 by whom ,i was not only incited to write on philosophy1 but1 ,i may say1 provoked4 ,and by so doing1 it is not easy to say what service ,i may be of to others2 at all events1 in my own various and acute afflictions1 which surround me on all sides1 ,i cannot find any better comfort for myself4 ,,the ,,end ,,footnotes #a ,the following are the most important of the passages referred to3--8,since ,i entered upon these philosophical inquiries1 ,varro has given me notice of a valuable and honourable dedication of a work of his to me4444 ,in the mean time ,i have been preparing myself as he desired to make him a return4 4 8,i may as well1 therefore1 remove from my ,academical ,disputations the present speakers1 who are distinguished characters indeed1 but by no means philosophical1 and who discourse with too much subtlety1 and substitute ,varro in their place4 ,for these are the opinions of ,antiochus1 to which he is much attached4 ,i can find a place for ,catulus and ,lucullus elsewhere40--,ep4 #ab4 8,the ,catulus and ,lucullus ,i imagine you have had before2 but ,i have made new introductions to these books which ,i wish you to have1 containing an eulogium upon each of these persons1 and there are some other additions40--,ep4 #cb4 8,in consequence of the letter which you wrote to me about ,varro1 ,i have taken the ,academy entirely out of the hands of those distinguished persons1 and transferred it to our friend4 ,and from two books ,i have made it into four4 ,these are longer than the others were1 though there are several parts left out4444 ,in truth1 if my self-love does not deceive me1 these books have come out in such a manner that there is nothing of the same kind like them even in ,greek40--,ep4 #ac4 8,i have transferred the whole of that ,academical ,treatise to ,varro4 ,it had at first been divided among ,catulus1 ,lucullus1 and ,hortensius4 ,afterwards1 as this appeared unsuitable1 owing to those persons being1 not indeed unlearned1 but notoriously unversed in such subjects1 as soon as ,i got home ,i transferred those dialogues to ,cato and ,brutus4 ,your letter about ,varro has just reached me1 and there is no one by whom the opinions of ,antiochus could be more fitly supported40--,ep4 #af4 8,i had determined to include no living persons in my dialogues2 but since you inform me that ,varro is desirous of it1 and sets a great value upon it1 ,i have composed this work1 and completed the whole ,academical ,discussion in four books2 ,i know not how well1 but with such care that nothing can exceed it4 ,in these1 what had been excellently collected by ,antiochus against the doctrine of incomprehensibility1 ,i have attributed to ,varro2 to this ,i reply in my own person1 and you are the third in our conversation4 ,if ,i had made ,cotta and ,varro disputing with one another1 as you suggest in your last letter1 my own would have been a mute character4444 8,the ,academics1 as you know1 ,i had discussed in the persons of ,catulus1 ,lucullus1 and ,hortensius2 but in truth the subject did not suit their characters1 being more logical than what they could be supposed ever to have dreamt of4 ,therefore1 when ,i read your letter to ,varro1 ,i seized on it as a sort of inspiration4 ,nothing could be more adapted to that species of philosophy in which he seems to take particular delight2 or to the support of such a part that ,i could manage to avoid making my own sentiments predominant4 ,for the opinions of ,antiochus are extremely persuasive1 and are so carefully expressed as to retain the acuteness of ,antiochus with my own brilliancy of language1 if indeed ,i possess any40--,ep4 #ai4 ,the ,antiochus mentioned above was a native of ,ascalon1 and the founder of the fifth ,academy2 he had been the teacher of ,cicero while he studied at ,athens2 and he had also a school in ,syria and another in ,alexandria4 ,cicero constantly speaks of him with great regard and esteem4 ,the leaders of the ,academy since the time of ,plato1 7and ,cicero ranks even him among those philosophers who denied the certainty of any kind of knowledge17 had gradually fallen into a degree of scepticism that seemed to strike at the root of all truth1 theoretical and practical4 ,but ,antiochus professed to revive the doctrines of the old ,academy1 maintaining1 in opposition to ,carneades and ,philo1 that the intellect had in itself a test by which it could distinguish between what was real and what existed only in the imagination4 ,he himself appears to have held doctrines very nearly coinciding with those of ,aristotle2 agreeing however so far with the ,stoics as to insist that all emotions ought to be suppressed4 ,so that ,cicero almost inclines to class him among the ,stoics2 though it appears that he considered himself as an ,eclectic philosopher1 uniting the doctrines of the ,stoics and ,academics so as to revive the old ,academy4 #b ,titus ,pomponius ,atticus was three years older than ,cicero1 with whom he had been educated1 and with whom he always continued on terms of the greatest intimacy2 his daughter was married to ,agrippa4 ,he was of the ,epicurean school in philosophy4 ,he died ,b4,c4 #cb4 #c ,marcus ,terentius ,varro was ten years older than ,cicero1 and a man of the most extensive and profound learning4 ,he had held a naval command against the pirates1 and against ,mithridates1 and served as lieutenant to ,pompey in ,spain1 at the beginning of the civil war1 adhering to his party till after the battle of ,pharsalia1 when he was pardoned1 and taken into favour by ,csar4 ,he was proscribed by the second triumvirate1 but escaped1 and died ,b4,c4 #bh4 ,he was a very voluminous author1 and according to his own account composed four hundred and ninety books2 but only one1 the three books ,de ,re ,rustic1 have come down to us1 and a portion of a large treatise ,de ,lingu ,latin4 ,in philosophy he had been a pupil of ,antiochus1 and attached himself to the ,academy with something of a leaning to the ,stoics4 #d ,amafanius was one of the earliest ,roman writers of the ,epicurean school4 ,he is mentioned by no one but ,cicero4 #e ,we do not know who this ,rabirius was4 #f ,lucius lius ,prconinus ,stilo was a ,roman knight1 and one of the earliest grammarians of ,rome4 ,cicero in the ,brutus describes him as a very learned man in both ,greek and ,roman literature2 and especially in old ,latin works4 ,he had been a teacher of ,varro in grammar1 and of ,cicero himself in rhetoric4 ,he received the name of ,stilo from his compositions2 and of ,prconinus because his father had been a herald4 #g ,menippus was originally a slave1 a native of ,gadara in ,cle ,syria1 and a pupil of ,diogenes the ,cynic4 ,he became very rich by usury1 afterwards he lost his money and committed suicide4 ,he wrote nothing serious1 but his books were entirely full of jests4 ,we have some fragments of ,varro's ,satyr ,menippe1 which were written1 as we are here told1 in imitation of ,menippus4 #h ,cicero ranges these poets here in chronological order4 ,ennius was born at ,rudi in ,calabria1 ,b4,c4 #bci1 of a very noble family4 ,he was brought to ,rome by ,m4 ,porcius ,cato at the end of the second ,punic war4 ,his plays were all translations or adaptations from the ,greek2 but he also wrote a poetical history of ,rome called ,annales1 in eighteen books1 and a poem on his friend ,scipio ,africanus2 some ,satires1 ,epigrams1 and one or two philosophical poems4 ,only a few lines of his works remain to us4 ,he died at the age of seventy4 ,pacuvius was a native of ,brundusium1 and a relation1 probably a nephew1 of ,ennius4 ,he was born about ,b4,c4 #bbj1 and lived to about the year ,b4,c4 #acj4 ,his works were nearly entirely tragedies translated from the ,greek4 ,horace1 distinguishing between him and ,accius1 says-- 8,aufert ,pacuvius docti famam senis2 ,accius alti40--,epist4 ,,ii4 i4 #ee4 #i ,from 1 to walk4 #aj ,this ,lucius ,lucullus was the son of ,lucius ,licinius ,lucullus1 who was prtor ,b4,c4 #ajc1 and was appointed by the senate to take the command in ,sicily1 where there was a formidable insurrection of the slaves under ,athenion and ,tryphon4 ,he was not however successful1 and was recalled2 and subsequently prosecuted by ,servilius for bribery and malversation1 convicted and banished4 ,the exact time of the birth of this ,lucullus his son is not known1 but was probably about ,b4,c4 #aji4 ,his first appearance in public life was prosecuting ,servilius1 who had now become an augur1 on a criminal charge1 7which is what ,cicero alludes to here47 ,and though the trial terminated in the acquittal of ,servilius1 yet the part ,lucullus took in it appears to have added greatly to his credit among his contemporaries4 ,the special law in his favour mentioned a few lines lower down1 was passed by ,sylla with whom ,lucullus was in high favour2 so much so that ,sylla at his death confided to him the charge of revising and correcting his ,commentaries4 ,cicero's statement of his perfect inexperience in military affairs before the war against ,mithridates is not quite correct1 as he had served with distinction in the ,marsic war4 ,the time of his death is not certainly known1 but ,cicero speaks of him as dead in the ,oration concerning the consular provinces1 delivered ,b4,c4 #ef1 while he was certainly alive ,b4,c4 #ei1 in which year he was charged by ,l4 ,vettius with an imaginary plot against the life of ,pompey4 ,his second wife was ,servilia1 half-sister to ,cato ,uticensis4 #aa ,from 1 a heap4 #ab ,from an ant4 #ac ,it is not even known to what work ,cicero is referring here4 #ad ,in the ,heautontimorumenos4 ,act i4 ,sc4 #a4 #ae ,ccilius ,statius was the predecessor of ,terence2 by birth an ,insubrian ,gaul and a native of ,milan4 ,he died ,b4,c4 #afe1 two years before the representation of the ,andria of ,terence4 ,he was considered by the ,romans as a great master of the art of exciting the feelings4 ,and ,cicero 7de ,opt4 ,gen4 ,dic4 #a47 speaks of him as the chief of the ,roman ,comic writers4 ,horace says-- ,vincere ,ccilius gravitate1 ,terentius arte4 #af ,marcus ,atilius1 7though ,cicero speaks of him here as a tragedian17 was chiefly celebrated as a comic poet4 ,he was one of the earliest writers of that class2 but nothing of his has come down to us4 ,in another place ,cicero calls him 8duris simusscriptor40 7,epist4 ad ,att4 xiv4 #bj47 #ag ,diogenes was a pupil of ,chrysippus1 and succeeded ,zeno of ,tarsus as the head of the ,stoic school at ,athens4 ,he was one of the embassy sent to ,rome by the ,athenians1 ,b4,c4 #aee1 and is supposed to have died almost immediately afterwards4 #ah ,antipater was a native of ,tarsus1 and the pupil and successor of ,diogenes4 ,cicero speaks in very high terms of his genius4 7,de ,off4 iii4 #ab47 #ai ,mnesarchus was a pupil of ,pantius and the teacher of ,antiochus of ,ascalon4 #bj ,pantius was a ,rhodian1 a pupil of ,diogenes and ,antipater1 which last he succeeded as head of the ,stoic school4 ,he was a friend of ,p4 ,scipio milianus1 and accompanied him on his embassy to the kings of ,egypt and ,asia in alliance with ,rome4 ,he died before ,b4,c4 #aaa4 #ba ,posidonius was a native of ,apamea1 in ,egypt1 a pupil of ,pantius1 and a contemporary of ,cicero4 ,he came to ,rome ,b4,c4 #ea1 having been sent there as ambassador from ,rhodes in the time of ,marius4 #bb ,lucius ,afranius lived about #ajj ,b4,c4 ,his comedies were chiefly togat1 depicting ,roman life2 he borrowed largely from ,menander1 to whom the ,romans compared him4 ,horace says-- ,dicitur ,afran toga convenisse ,menandro4 ,cicero praises his language highly 7,brut4 #de74 #bc ,caius ,lucilius was the earliest of the ,roman satirists1 born at ,suessa ,aurunca1 ,b4,c4 #adh2 he died at ,naples1 ,b4,c4 #ajc4 ,he served under ,scipio in the ,numantine war4 ,he was a very vehement and bold satirist4 ,cicero alludes here to a saying of his1 which he mentions more expressly 7,de ,orat4 ii471 that he did not wish the ignorant to read his works because they could not understand them3 nor the learned because they would be able to criticise them4 ,persium non curo legere3 ,llium ,decimum volo4 ,this ,persius being a very learned man2 in comparison with whom ,llius was an ignoramus4 #bd ,polynus1 the son of ,athenodorus was a native of ,lampsacus3 he was a friend of ,epicurus1 and though he had previously obtained a high reputation as a mathematician1 he was persuaded by him at last to agree with him as to the worthlessness of geometry4 #be ,hieronymus was a disciple of ,aristotle and a contemporary of ,arcesilaus4 ,he lived down to the time of ,ptolemy ,philadelphus4 #bf ,trabea was a ,roman comic poet1 who flourished about #acj ,b4,c4 #bg ,dark1 obscure4 #bh ,we know nothing more of ,callipho than what we derive from this and one or two other notices of him by ,cicero4 #bi ,the ,hymnis was a comedy of ,menander1 translated by ,ccilius4 #cj ,it is hardly possible to translate this so as to give the force of the original4 ,cicero says1 ,if cupiditas is in a man he must be cupidus1 and we have no ,english word which will at all answer to this adjective in this sense4 #ca ,the ,latin is 8quicum in tenebris10--the proverb at full length being1 8,dignus quicum in tenebris mices40 ,micare was a game played1 7much the same as that now called ,la ,mora in ,italy17 by extending the fingers and making the antagonist guess how many fingers were extended by the two together4 #cb ,this was ,quintus ,pompeius1 the first man who raised his family to importance at ,rome4 ,he was consul ,b4,c4 #ada4 ,being commander in ,spain1 he laid siege to ,numantia2 and having lost great numbers of his troops through cold and disease1 he proposed to the ,numantines to come to terms4 ,publicly he required of them an unconditional surrender1 but in private he only demanded the restoration of the prisoners and deserters1 that they should give hostages and pay thirty talents4 ,the ,numantines agreed to this1 and paid part of the money1 but when ,popilius ,lnas arrived in ,spain as his successor1 he denied the treaty1 though it had been witnessed by his own officers4 ,the matter was referred to the senate1 who on the evidence of ,pompeius declared the treaty invalid1 and the war was renewed4 #cc ,the ,voconia lex was passed on the proposal of ,quintus ,voconius ,saxa1 one of the tribunes1 ,b4,c4 #afi4 ,one of its provisions was1 that a woman could not be left the heiress of any person who was rated in the census at #ajj1jjj sesterces2 though she could take the inheritance per fidei commissum4 ,but as the law applied only to wills1 a daughter could inherit from a father dying intestate1 whatever the amount of his property might be4 ,a person who was not census could make a woman his heir4 ,there is1 however1 a good deal of obscurity and uncertainty as to some of the provisions of this law4 #cd ,there appears to be some corruption in the text here4 #ce ,spurius ,lucretius ,tricipitinus1 the father of ,lucretia1 was made consul as the colleague of ,valerius ,publicola1 in the place of ,brutus1 who had been slain in battle by ,aruns1 one of the sons of ,tarquin4 #cf ,themista was a female philosopher1 wife of a man named ,leonteus1 or ,leon1 and a friend and correspondent of ,epicurus4 #cg ,he means when he was banished1 and when ,torquatus joined in promoting the measures for his recal4 #ch ,cicero alludes here to the story of ,damon1 who1 when his friend ,pythias was condemned to death by ,dionysius of ,syracuse1 pledged his life for his return in time to be put to death1 if the tyrant would give him leave to go home for the purpose of arranging his affairs1 and ,pythias did return in time4--,see ,cic4 de ,off4 iii4 #aj2 ,just4 ,div4 v4 #bb4 #ci ,b4,c4 #cfc4 #dj ,b4,c4 #dhj4 #da ,the ,greek line occurs in the ,orestes1 #bjg4 4 ,virgil has the same idea-- ,vos et ,scyllam rabiem1 penitusque sonantes ,acctis scopulos1 vos et ,cyclopia saxa ,experti2 revocate animos1 moestumque timorem ,pellite3 forsan et haec olim meminisse juvabit4--n4 i4 #bjj4 ,which ,dryden translates-- ,with me the rocks of ,scylla have you tried1 ,th' inhuman ,cyclops and his den defied3 ,what greater ills hereafter can you bear8 ,resume your courage and dismiss your care2 ,an hour will come with pleasure to relate ,your sorrows past as benefits of fate4 #db ,that is1 of the past1 the present1 and the future4 #dc ,this seems to refer to the ,greek epigram-- 1 1 4 4 ,which may be translated-- ,him who the paths of land and sea disturb'd1 ,sail'd o'er the earth1 walk'd o'er the humbled waves1 ,three hundred spears of dauntless ,sparta curb'd4 ,shame on you1 land and sea1 ye willing slaves6 #dd ,the ,latin is rumn3 perhaps it is in allusion to this passage that ,juvenal says-- ,et potiores ,herculis rumnas credat1 svosque labores ,et ,venere et cnis1 et pluma ,sardanapali4 ,sat4 x4 #cfa4 #de ,the great ,lucullus1 father of this young ,lucullus1 was married to ,servilia1 half-sister to ,cato1 and daughter of ,quintus ,servilius ,cpio1 who was killed in the ,social war1 having been decoyed into an ambush by ,pompdius1 ,b4,c4 #ij4 ,the young ,lucullus was afterwards killed in the battle of ,philippi4 #df 8,malitia1 badness of quality 444 especially malice1 ill-will1 spite1 malevolence1 artfulness1 cunning1 craft40--,riddle and ,arnold1 ,lat4 ,dict4 #dg ,the ,greek proverb was1 4 #dh ,the ,curia ,hostilia was built by ,tullus ,hostilius1 and was originally the only place where a ,senatus ,consultum could be passed1 though the senate met at times in other places4 ,but1 under ,csar1 the ,curia ,julia1 an immense edifice1 had been built as the senate-house4 #di ,pope's ,homer1 ,odys4 xii4 #bca4 #ej ,archilochus was a native of ,paros1 and flourished about #gad-fgf1 ,b4,c4 ,his poems were chiefly ,iambics of bitter satire4 ,horace speaks of him as the inventor of ,iambics1 and calls himself his pupil4 ,parios ego primus ,iambos ,ostendi ,latio1 numeros animosque secutus ,archilochi1 non res et agentia verba ,lycamben4 ,epist4 ,i4 xix4 #be4 ,and in another place he says-- ,archilochum proprio rabies armavit ,iambo4--,a4 ,p4 #gd4 #ea ,this was ,livius ,andronicus3 he is supposed to have been a native of ,tarentum1 and he was made prisoner by the ,romans1 during their wars in ,southern ,italy2 owing to which he became the slave of ,m4 ,livius ,salinator4 ,he wrote both comedies and tragedies1 of which ,cicero 7,brutus #ah7 speaks very contemptuously1 as 8,livian fabul non satis dign qu iterum legantur10--not worth reading a second time4 ,he also wrote a ,latin ,odyssey1 and some hymns1 and died probably about ,b4,c4 #bba4 #eb ,c4 ,fabius1 surnamed ,pictor1 painted the temple of ,salus1 which the dictator ,c4 ,junius ,brutus ,bubulus dedicated ,b4,c4 #cjb4 ,the temple was destroyed by fire in the reign of ,claudius4 ,the painting is highly praised by ,dionysius1 xvi4 #f4 #ec ,for an account of the ancient ,greek philosophers1 see the sketch at the end of the volume4 #ed ,isocrates was born at ,athens1 ,b4,c4 #dcf4 ,he was a pupil of ,gorgias1 ,prodicus and ,socrates4 ,he opened a school of rhetoric1 at ,athens1 with great success4 ,he died by his own hand at the age of #ih4 #ee ,so ,horace joins these two classes as inventors of all kinds of improbable fictions-- ,pictoribus atque poetis ,quidlibet audendi semper fuit qua potestas4--,a4 ,p4 #i4 ,which ,roscommon translates-- ,painters and poets have been still allow'd ,their pencil and their fancies unconfined4 #ef ,epicharmus was a native of ,cos1 but lived at ,megara1 in ,sicily1 and when ,megara was destroyed1 removed to ,syracuse1 and lived at the court of ,hiero1 where he became the first writer of comedies1 so that ,horace ascribes the invention of comedy to him1 and so does ,theocritus4 ,he lived to a great age4 #eg ,pherecydes was a native of ,scyros1 one of the ,cyclades2 and is said to have obtained his knowledge from the secret books of the ,phnicians4 ,he is said also to have been a pupil of ,pittacus1 the rival of ,thales1 and the master of ,pythagoras4 ,his doctrine was that there were three principles1 1 or ther1 1 or ,chaos1 and 1 or ,time2 and four elements1 ,fire1 ,earth1 ,air1 and ,water1 from which everything that exists was formed4--,vide ,smith's ,dict4 ,gr41 and ,rom4 ,biog4 #eh ,archytas was a native of ,tarentum1 and is said to have saved the life of ,plato by his influence with the tyrant ,dionysius4 ,he was especially great as a mathematician and geometrician1 so that ,horace calls him ,maris et terr numeroque carentis aren ,mensorem--,od4 i4 #bh4 #a4 ,plato is supposed to have learnt some of his views from him1 and ,aristotle to nave borrowed from him every idea of the ,categories4 #ei ,this was not ,timus the historian1 but a native of ,locri1 who is said also in the ,de ,finibus 7c4 #bi7 to have been a teacher of ,plato4 ,there is a treatise extant bearing his name1 which is1 however1 probably spurious1 and only an abridgment of ,plato's dialogue ,timus4 #fj ,dicarchus was a native of ,messana1 in ,sicily1 though he lived chiefly in ,greece2 he was one of the later disciples of ,aristotle4 ,he was a great geographer1 politician1 historian1 and philosopher1 and died about ,b4,c4 #bhe4 #fa ,aristoxenus was a native of ,tarentum1 and also a pupil of ,aristotle4 ,we know nothing of his opinions except that he held the soul to be a harmony of the body2 a doctrine which had been already discussed by ,plato in the ,phdo1 and combated by ,aristotle4 ,he was a great musician1 and the chief portions of his works which have come down to us are fragments of some musical treatises4--,smith's ,dict4 ,gr4 and ,rom4 ,biog41 to which source ,i must acknowledge my obligation for nearly the whole of these biographical notes4 #fb ,the ,simonides here meant1 is the celebrated poet of ,ceos1 the perfecter of ,elegiac poetry among the ,greeks4 ,he flourished about the time of the ,persian war4 ,besides his poetry1 he is said to have been the inventor of some method of aiding the memory4 ,he died at the court of ,hiero1 ,b4,c4 #dfg4 #fc ,theodectes was a native of ,phaselis1 in ,pamphylia1 a distinguished rhetorician and tragic poet1 and flourished in the time of ,philip of ,macedon4 ,he was a pupil of ,isocrates1 and lived at ,athens1 and died there at the age of #da4 #fd ,cineas was a ,thessalian1 and 7as is said in the text7 came to ,rome as ambassador from ,pyrrhus after the battle of ,heraclea1 ,b4,c4 #bhj1 and his memory is said to have been so great that on the day after his arrival he was able to address all the senators and knights by name4 ,he probably died before ,pyrrhus returned to ,italy1 ,b4,c4 #bgf4 #fe ,charmadas1 called also ,charmides1 was a fellow pupil with ,philo1 the ,larissan of ,clitomachus1 the ,carthaginian4 ,he is said by some authors to have founded a fourth academy4 #ff ,metrodorus was a minister of ,mithridates the ,great2 and employed by him as supreme judge in ,pontus1 and afterwards as an ambassador4 ,cicero speaks of him in other places 7,de ,orat4 ii4 #hh7 as a man of wonderful memory4 #fg ,quintus ,hortensius was eight years older than ,cicero2 and1 till ,cicero's fame surpassed his1 he was accounted the most eloquent of all the ,romans4 ,he was ,verres's counsel in the prosecution conducted against him by ,cicero4 ,seneca relates that his memory was so great that he could come out of an auction and repeat the catalogue backwards4 ,he died ,b4,c4 #ej4 #fh ,this treatise is one which has not come down to us1 but which had been lately composed by ,cicero in order to comfort himself for the loss of his daughter4 #fi ,the epigram is-- 1 1 1 4 ,which may be translated1 perhaps-- ,farewell1 ,o sun1 ,cleombrotus exclaim'd1 ,then plung'd from off a height beneath the sea2 ,stung by pain1 of no disgrace ashamed1 ,but mov'd by ,plato's high philosophy4 #gj ,this is alluded to by ,juvenal-- ,provida ,pompeio dederat ,campania febres ,optandas3 sed mult urbes et publica vota ,vicerunt4 ,igitur ,fortuna ipsius et ,urbis1 ,servatum victo caput abstulit4--,sat4 x4 #bhc4 #ga ,pompey's second wife was ,julia1 the daughter of ,julius ,csar2 she died the year before the death of ,crassus1 in ,parthia4 ,virgil speaks of ,csar and ,pompey as relations1 using the same expression 7socer7 as ,cicero-- ,aggeribus socer ,alpinis atque arce ,monci ,descendens1 gener adversis instructus ,eois4--n4 vi4 #hcj4 #gb ,this idea is beautifully expanded by ,byron3-- ,yet if1 as holiest men have deem'd1 there be ,a land of souls beyond that sable shore ,to shame the doctrine of the ,sadducee ,and sophist1 madly vain of dubious lore1 ,how sweet it were in concert to adore ,with those who made our mortal labours light1 ,to hear each voice we fear'd to hear no more1 ,behold each mighty shade reveal'd to sight1 ,the ,bactrian1 ,samian sage1 and all who taught the right4 ,childe ,harold1 ii4 #h4 #gc ,the epitaph in the original is1-- 1 4 #gd ,this was expressed in the ,greek verses-- 1 2 which by some authors are attributed to ,homer4 #ge ,this is the first fragment of the ,cresphontes4--,ed4 ,var4 vii4 p4 #eid 1 4 4 #gf ,the ,greek verses are quoted by ,plutarch-- 444 1 4 #gg ,this refers to the story that when ,eumolpus1 the son of ,neptune1 whose assistance the ,eleusinians had called in against the ,athenians1 had been slain by the ,athenians1 an oracle demanded the sacrifice of one of the daughters of ,erechtheus1 the ,king of ,athens4 ,and when one was drawn by lot1 the others voluntarily accompanied her to death4 #gh ,menceus was son of ,creon1 and in the war of the ,argives against ,thebes1 ,teresias declared that the ,thebans should conquer if ,menceus would sacrifice himself for his country2 and accordingly he killed himself outside the gates of ,thebes4 #gi ,the ,greek is1 1 4 #hj ,soph4 ,trach4 #ajdg4 #ha ,the lines quoted by ,cicero here1 appear to have come from the ,latin play of ,prometheus by ,accius2 the ideas are borrowed rather than translated from the ,prometheus of schylus4 #hb ,from ,exerceo4 #hc ,each soldier carried a stake1 to help form a palisade in front of the camp4 #hd ,insania--from in1 a particle of negative force in composition1 and sanus1 healthy1 sound4 #he ,the man who first received this surname was ,l4 ,calpurnius ,piso1 who was consul1 ,b4,c4 #acc1 in the ,servile ,war4 #hf ,the ,greek is-- 4--,il4 ix4 #fdb4 ,i have given ,pope's translation in the text4 #hg ,this is from the ,theseus-- 4 1 1 4 #hh ,ter4 ,phorm4 ,,ii4 i4 #aa4 #hi ,this refers to the speech of ,agamemnon in ,euripides1 in the ,iphigenia in ,aulis-- 444 1 1 1 1 4--v4 #ae4 #ij ,this is a fragment from the ,hypsipyle-- 2 1 4 2 4 #ia 4--,il4 x4 #ae4 #ib 1 4--,il4 vi4 #bja4 #ic ,this is a translation from ,euripides-- 4--,med4 #eg4 #id 1 8 1 1 1 4--,hom4 ,il4 xix4 #bbf4 #ie ,this is one of the fragments of ,euripides which we are unable to assign to any play in particular2 it occurs ,var4 ,ed4 ,tr4 ,inc4 #afg4 1 1 2 1 4 #if ,this is only a fragment preserved by ,stobus-- 1 1 2 1 4 #ig 4 4 4 4 sch4 ,prom4 v4 #cgh4 #ih ,cicero alludes here to ,il4 vii4 #baa1 which is thus translated by ,pope-- ,his massy javelin quivering in his hand1 ,he stood the bulwark of the ,grecian band2 ,through every ,argive heart new transport ran1 ,all ,troy stood trembling at the mighty man3 ,e'en ,hector paused1 and with new doubt oppress'd1 ,felt his great heart suspended in his breast2 ',twas vain to seek retreat1 and vain to fear1 ,himself had challenged1 and the foe drew near4 ,but ,melmoth 7,note on the ,familiar ,letters of ,cicero1 book ii4 ,let4 #bc7 rightly accuses ,cicero of having misunderstood ,homer1 who 8by no means represents ,hector as being thus totally dismayed at the approach of his adversary2 and indeed it would have been inconsistent with the general character of that hero to have described him under such circumstances of terror40 1 1 4 ,but there is a great difference1 as ,dr4 ,clarke remarks1 between and 1 or 4--,the ,trojans1 says ,homer1 trembled at the sight of ,ajax1 and even ,hector himself felt some emotion in his breast4 #ii ,cicero means ,scipio ,nasica1 who in the riots consequent on the re-election of ,tiberius ,gracchus to the tribunate1 ,b4,c4 #acc1 having called in vain on the consul1 ,mucius ,scvola1 to save the republic1 attacked ,gracchus himself1 who was slain in the tumult4 #ajj ,morosus is evidently derived from mores--8,morosus1 mos1 stubbornness1 selfwill1 etc40--,riddle and ,arnold1 ,lat4 ,diet4 #aja ,in the original they run thus3-- 1 1 4 #ajb ,this passage is from the ,eunuch of ,terence1 ,act i4 sc4 #a1 #ad4 #ajc ,these verses are from the ,atreus of ,accius4 #ajd ,this was ,marcus ,atilius ,regulus1 the story of whose treatment by the ,carthaginians in the first ,punic ,war is well known to everybody4 #aje ,this was ,quintus ,servilius ,cpio1 who1 ,b4,c4 #aje1 was destroyed1 with his army1 by the ,cimbri1--it was believed as a judgment for the covetousness which he had displayed in the plunder of ,tolosa4 #ajf ,this was ,marcus ,aquilius1 who1 in the year ,b4,c4 #hh1 was sent against ,mithridates as one of the consular legates3 and being defeated1 was delivered up to the king by the inhabitants of ,mitylene4 ,mithridates put him to death by pouring molten gold down his throat4 #ajg ,this was the elder brother of the triumvir ,marcus ,crassus1 ,b4,c4 #hg4 ,he was put to death by ,fimbria1 who was in command of some of the troops of ,marius4 #ajh ,lucius ,csar and ,caius ,csar were relations 7it is uncertain in what degree7 of the great ,csar1 and were killed by ,fimbria on the same occasion as ,octavius4 #aji ,m4 ,antonius was the grandfather of the triumvir2 he was murdered the same year1 ,b4,c4 #hg1 by ,annius1 when ,marius and ,cinna took ,rome4 #aaj ,this story is alluded to by ,horace-- ,districtus ensis cui super impi ,cervice pendet non ,sicul dapes ,dulcem elaborabunt saporem1 ,non avium citharve cantus ,somnum reducent4--iii4 #a4 #ag4 #aaa ,hieronymus was a ,rhodian1 and a pupil of ,aristotle1 flourishing about #cjj ,b4,c4 ,he is frequently mentioned by ,cicero4 #aab ,we know very little of ,dinomachus4 ,some ,,mss4 have ,clitomachus4 #aac ,callipho was in all probability a pupil of ,epicurus1 but we have no certain information about him4 #aad ,diodorus was a ,syrian1 and succeeded ,critolaus as the head of the ,peripatetic ,school at ,athens4 #aae ,aristo was a native of ,ceos1 and a pupil of ,lycon1 who succeeded ,stratton as the head of the ,peripatetic ,school1 ,b4,c4 #bgj4 ,he afterwards himself succeeded ,lycon4 #aaf ,pyrrho was a native of ,elis1 and the originator of the sceptical theories of some of the ancient philosophers4 ,he was a contemporary of ,alexander4 #aag ,herillus was a disciple of ,zeno of ,cittium1 and therefore a ,stoic4 ,he did not1 however1 follow all the opinions of his master3 he held that knowledge was the chief good4 ,some of the treatises of ,cleanthes were written expressly to confute him4 #aah ,anacharsis was 7,herod1 iv4 #gf7 son of ,gnurus and brother of ,saulius1 king of ,thrace4 ,he came to ,athens while ,solon was occupied in framing laws for his people2 and by the simplicity of his way of living1 and his acute observations on the manners of the ,greeks1 he excited such general admiration1 that he was reckoned by some writers among the seven wise men of ,greece4 #aai ,this was ,appius ,claudius ,ccus1 who was censor ,b4,c4 #caj1 and who1 according to ,livy1 was afflicted with blindness by the gods for persuading the ,potitii to instruct the public servants in the way of sacrificing to ,hercules4 ,he it was who made the ,via ,appia4 #abj ,the fact of ,homer's blindness rests on a passage in the ,hymn to ,apollo1 quoted by ,thucydides as a genuine work of ,homer1 and which is thus spoken of by one of the most accomplished scholars that this country or this age has ever produced3--8,they are indeed beautiful verses1 and if none worse had ever been attributed to ,homer1 the ,prince of ,poets would have had little reason to complain4 8,he has been describing the ,delian festival in honour of ,apollo and ,diana1 and concludes this part of the poem with an address to the women of that island1 to whom it is to be supposed that he had become familiarly known by his frequent recitations3 1 1 1 8 1 1 1 4 ,virgins1 farewell1--and oh6 remember me ,hereafter1 when some stranger from the sea1 ,a hapless wanderer1 may your isle explore1 ,and ask you1 8,maids1 of all the bards you boast1 ,who sings the sweetest1 and delights you most80 ,oh6 answer all1--8,a blind old man1 and poor1 ,sweetest he sings1 and dwells on ,chios' rocky shore40 --,coleridge's ,introduction to the ,study of the ,greek ,classic ,poets4