,,treatises ,,on ,,friendship ,,and ,,old ,,age ,by ,marcus ,tullius ,cicero ,translated by ,e4 ,s4 ,shuckburgh ,,introductory ,,note ,,marcus ,,tullius ,,cicero1 the greatest of ,roman orators and the chief master of ,latin prose style1 was born at ,arpinum1 ,jan4 #c1 #ajf ,b4,c4 ,his father1 who was a man of property and belonged to the class of the ,knights1 moved to ,rome when ,cicero was a child2 and the future statesman received an elaborate education in rhetoric1 law1 and philosophy1 studying and practising under some of the most noted teachers of the time4 ,he began his career as an advocate at the age of twenty-five1 and almost immediately came to be recognized not only as a man of brilliant talents but also as a courageous upholder of justice in the face of grave political danger4 ,after two years of practice he left ,rome to travel in ,greece and ,asia1 taking all the opportunities that offered to study his art under distinguished masters4 ,he returned to ,rome greatly improved in health and in professional skill1 and in #gf ,b4 ,c4 was elected to the office of quaestor4 ,he was assigned to the province of ,lilybaeum in ,sicily1 and the vigor and justice of his administration earned him the gratitude of the inhabitants4 ,it was at their request that he undertook in #gj ,b4 ,c4 the ,prosecution of ,verres1 who as ,praetor had subjected the ,sicilians to incredible extortion and oppression2 and his successful conduct of this case1 which ended in the conviction and banishment of ,verres1 may be said to have launched him on his political career4 ,he became aedile in the same year1 in #fg ,b4,c4 praetor1 and in #fd ,b4 ,c4 was elected consul by a large majority4 ,the most important event of the year of his consulship was the conspiracy of ,catiline4 ,this notorious criminal of patrician rank had conspired with a number of others1 many of them young men of high birth but dissipated character1 to seize the chief offices of the state1 and to extricate themselves from the pecuniary and other difficulties that had resulted from their excesses1 by the wholesale plunder of the city4 ,the plot was unmasked by the vigilance of ,cicero1 five of the traitors were summarily executed1 and in the overthrow of the army that had been gathered in their support ,catiline himself perished4 ,cicero regarded himself as the savior of his country1 and his country for the moment seemed to give grateful assent4 ,but reverses were at hand4 ,during the existence of the political combination of ,pompey1 ,caesar1 and ,crassus1 known as the first triumvirate1 ,p4 ,clodius1 an enemy of ,cicero's1 proposed a law banishing any one who had put ,roman citizens to death without trial4 ,this was aimed at ,cicero on account of his share in the ,catiline affair1 and in ,march1 #eh ,b4 ,c41 he left ,rome4 ,the same day a law was passed by which he was banished by name1 and his property was plundered and destroyed1 a temple to ,liberty being erected on the site of his house in the city4 ,during his exile ,cicero's manliness to some extent deserted him4 ,he drifted from place to place1 seeking the protection of officials against assassination1 writing letters urging his supporters to agitate for his recall1 sometimes accusing them of lukewarmness and even treachery1 bemoaning the ingratitude of his country or regretting the course of action that had led to his outlawry1 and suffering from extreme depression over his separation from his wife and children and the wreck of his political ambitions4 ,finally in ,august1 #eg ,b4 ,c41 the decree for his restoration was passed1 and he returned to ,rome the next month1 being received with immense popular enthusiasm4 ,during the next few years the renewal of the understanding among the triumvirs shut ,cicero out from any leading part in politics1 and he resumed his activity in the law-courts1 his most important case being1 perhaps1 the defence of ,milo for the murder of ,clodius1 ,cicero's most troublesome enemy4 ,this oration1 in the revised form in which it has come down to us1 is ranked as among the finest specimens of the art of the orator1 though in its original form it failed to secure ,milo's acquittal4 ,meantime1 ,cicero was also devoting much time to literary composition1 and his letters show great dejection over the political situation1 and a somewhat wavering attitude towards the various parties in the state4 ,in #ee ,b4 ,c4 he went to ,cilicia in ,asia ,minor as proconsul1 an office which he administered with efficiency and integrity in civil affairs and with success in military4 ,he returned to ,italy in the end of the following year1 and he was publicly thanked by the senate for his services1 but disappointed in his hopes for a triumph4 ,the war for supremacy between ,caesar and ,pompey which had for some time been gradually growing more certain1 broke out in #di ,b4,c41 when ,caesar led his army across the ,rubicon1 and ,cicero after much irresolution threw in his lot with ,pompey1 who was overthrown the next year in the battle of ,pharsalus and later murdered in ,egypt4 ,cicero returned to ,italy1 where ,caesar treated him magnanimously1 and for some time he devoted himself to philosophical and rhetorical writing4 ,in #df ,b4,c4 he divorced his wife ,terentia1 to whom he had been married for thirty years and married the young and wealthy ,publilia in order to relieve himself from financial difficulties2 but her also he shortly divorced4 ,caesar1 who had now become supreme in ,rome1 was assassinated in #dd ,b4,c41 and though ,cicero was not a sharer in the conspiracy1 he seems to have approved the deed4 ,in the confusion which followed he supported the cause of the conspirators against ,antony2 and when finally the triumvirate of ,antony1 ,octavius1 and ,lepidus was established1 ,cicero was included among the proscribed1 and on ,december #g1 #dc ,b4,c41 he was killed by agents of ,antony4 ,his head and hand were cut off and exhibited at ,rome4 ,the most important orations of the last months of his life were the fourteen ,philippics delivered against ,antony1 and the price of this enmity he paid with his life4 ,to his contemporaries ,cicero was primarily the great forensic and political orator of his time1 and the fifty-eight speeches which have come down to us bear testimony to the skill1 wit1 eloquence1 and passion which gave him his pre-eminence4 ,but these speeches of necessity deal with the minute details of the occasions which called them forth1 and so require for their appreciation a full knowledge of the history1 political and personal1 of the time4 ,the letters1 on the other hand1 are less elaborate both in style and in the handling of current events1 while they serve to reveal his personality1 and to throw light upon ,roman life in the last days of the ,republic in an extremely vivid fashion4 ,cicero as a man1 in spite of his self-importance1 the vacillation of his political conduct in desperate crises1 and the whining despondency of his times of adversity1 stands out as at bottom a patriotic ,roman of substantial honesty1 who gave his life to check the inevitable fall of the commonwealth to which he was devoted4 ,the evils which were undermining the ,republic bear so many striking resemblances to those which threaten the civic and national life of ,america to-day that the interest of the period is by no means merely historical4 ,as a philosopher1 ,cicero's most important function was to make his countrymen familiar with the main schools of ,greek thought4 ,much of this writing is thus of secondary interest to us in comparison with his originals1 but in the fields of religious theory and of the application of philosophy to life he made important first-hand contributions4 ,from these works have been selected the two treatises1 on ,old ,age and on ,friendship1 which have proved of most permanent and widespread interest to posterity1 and which give a clear impression of the way in which a high-minded ,roman thought about some of the main problems of human life4 ,,on ,,friendship ,,the augur ,quintus ,mucius ,scaevola used to recount a number of stories about his father-in-law ,galus ,laelius1 accurately remembered and charmingly told2 and whenever he talked about him always gave him the title of the wise without any hesitation4 ,i had been introduced by my father to ,scaevola as soon as ,i had assumed the toga virilis1 and ,i took advantage of the introduction never to quit the venerable man's side as long as ,i was able to stay and he was spared to us4 ,the consequence was that ,i committed to memory many disquisitions of his1 as well as many short pointed apophthegms1 and1 in short1 took as much advantage of his wisdom as ,i could4 ,when he died1 ,i attached myself to ,scaevola the ,pontifex1 whom ,i may venture to call quite the most distinguished of our countrymen for ability and uprightness4 ,but of this latter ,i shall take other occasions to speak4 ,to return to ,scaevola the augur4 ,among many other occasions ,i particularly remember one4 ,he was sitting on a semicircular garden-bench1 as was his custom1 when ,i and a very few intimate friends were there1 and he chanced to turn the conversation upon a subject which about that time was in many people's mouths4 ,you must remember1 ,atticus1 for you were very intimate with ,publius ,sulpicius1 what expressions of astonishment1 or even indignation1 were called forth by his mortal quarrel1 as tribune1 with the consul ,quintus ,pompeius1 with whom he had formerly lived on terms of the closest intimacy and affection4 ,well1 on this occasion1 happening to mention this particular circumstance1 ,scaevola detailed to us a discourse of ,laelius on friendship delivered to himself and ,laelius's other son-in-law ,galus ,fannius1 son of ,marcus ,fannius1 a few days after the death of ,africanus4 ,the points of that discussion ,i committed to memory1 and have arranged them in this book at my own discretion4 ,for ,i have brought the speakers1 as it were1 personally on to my stage to prevent the constant said ,i and said he of a narrative1 and to give the discourse the air of being orally delivered in our hearing4 ,you have often urged me to write something on ,friendship1 and ,i quite acknowledged that the subject seemed one worth everybody's investigation1 and specially suited to the close intimacy that has existed between you and me4 ,accordingly ,i was quite ready to benefit the public at your request4 ,as to the dramatis personae4 ,in the treatise on ,old ,age1 which ,i dedicated to you1 ,i introduced ,cato as chief speaker4 ,no one1 ,i thought1 could with greater propriety speak on old age than one who had been an old man longer than any one else1 and had been exceptionally vigorous in his old age4 ,similarly1 having learnt from tradition that of all friendships that between ,gaius ,laelius and ,publius ,scipio was the most remarkable1 ,i thought ,laelius was just the person to support the chief part in a discussion on friendship which ,scaevola remembered him to have actually taken4 ,moreover1 a discussion of this sort gains somehow in weight from the authority of men of ancient days1 especially if they happen to have been distinguished4 ,so it comes about that in reading over what ,i have myself written ,i have a feeling at times that it is actually ,cato that is speaking1 not ,i4 ,finally1 as ,i sent the former essay to you as a gift from one old man to another1 so ,i have dedicated this ,on ,friendship as a most affectionate friend to his friend4 ,in the former ,cato spoke1 who was the oldest and wisest man of his day2 in this ,laelius speaks on friendship--,laelius1 who was at once a wise man 7that was the title given him7 and eminent for his famous friendship4 ,please forget me for a while2 imagine ,laelius to be speaking4 ,gaius ,fannius and ,quintus ,mucius come to call on their father-in-law after the death of ,africanus4 ,they start the subject2 ,laelius answers them4 ,and the whole essay on friendship is his4 ,in reading it you will recognise a picture of yourself4 #b4 ,fannius4 ,you are quite right1 ,laelius6 there never was a better or more illustrious character than ,africanus4 ,but you should consider that at the present moment all eyes are on you4 ,everybody calls you the wise par excellence1 and thinks you so4 ,the same mark of respect was lately paid ,cato1 and we know that in the last generation ,lucius ,atilius was called the wise4 ,but in both cases the word was applied with a certain difference4 ,atilius was so called from his reputation as a jurist2 ,cato got the name as a kind of honorary title and in extreme old age because of his varied experience of affairs1 and his reputation for foresight and firmness1 and the sagacity of the opinions which he delivered in senate and forum4 ,you1 however1 are regarded as wise in a somewhat different sense not alone on account of natural ability and character1 but also from your industry and learning2 and not in the sense in which the vulgar1 but that in which scholars1 give that title4 ,in this sense we do not read of any one being called wise in ,greece except one man at ,athens2 and he1 to be sure1 had been declared by the oracle of ,apollo also to be the supremely wise man4 ,for those who commonly go by the name of the ,seven ,sages are not admitted into the category of the wise by fastidious critics4 ,your wisdom people believe to consist in this1 that you look upon yourself as self-sufficing and regard the changes and chances of mortal life as powerless to affect your virtue4 ,accordingly they are always asking me1 and doubtless also our ,scaevola here1 how you bear the death of ,africanus4 ,this curiosity has been the more excited from the fact that on the ,nones of this month1 when we augurs met as usual in the suburban villa of ,decimus ,brutus for consultation1 you were not present1 though it had always been your habit to keep that appointment and perform that duty with the utmost punctuality4 ,scaevola4 ,yes1 indeed1 ,laelius1 ,i am often asked the question mentioned by ,fannius4 ,but ,i answer in accordance with what ,i have observed3 ,i say that you bear in a reasonable manner the grief which you have sustained in the death of one who was at once a man of the most illustrious character and a very dear friend4 ,that of course you could not but be affected--anything else would have been wholly unnatural in a man of your gentle nature--but that the cause of your non-attendance at our college meeting was illness1 not melancholy4 ,laelius4 ,thanks1 ,scaevola6 ,you are quite right2 you spoke the exact truth4 ,for in fact ,i had no right to allow myself to be withdrawn from a duty which ,i had regularly performed1 as long as ,i was well1 by any personal misfortune2 nor do ,i think that anything that can happen will cause a man of principle to intermit a duty4 ,as for your telling me1 ,fannius1 of the honourable appellation given me 7an appellation to which ,i do not recognise my title1 and to which ,i make no claim71 you doubtless act from feelings of affection2 but ,i must say that you seem to me to do less than justice to ,cato4 ,if any one was ever wise1--of which ,i have my doubts1--he was4 ,putting aside everything else1 consider how he bore his son's death6 ,i had not forgotten ,paulus2 ,i had seen with my own eyes ,gallus4 ,but they lost their sons when mere children2 ,cato his when he was a full-grown man with an assured reputation4 ,do not therefore be in a hurry to reckon as ,cato's superior even that same famous personage whom ,apollo1 as you say1 declared to be the wisest4 ,remember the former's reputation rests on deeds1 the latter's on words4 #c4 ,now1 as far as ,i am concerned 7,i speak to both of you now71 believe me the case stands thus4 ,if ,i were to say that ,i am not affected by regret for ,scipio1 ,i must leave the philosophers to justify my conduct1 but in point of fact ,i should be telling a lie4 ,affected of course ,i am by the loss of a friend as ,i think there will never be again1 such as ,i can fearlessly say there never was before4 ,but ,i stand in no need of medicine4 ,i can find my own consolation1 and it consists chiefly in my being free from the mistaken notion which generally causes pain at the departure of friends4 ,to ,scipio ,i am convinced no evil has befallen3 mine is the disaster1 if disaster there be2 and to be severely distressed at one's own misfortunes does not show that you love your friend1 but that you love yourself4 ,as for him1 who can say that all is not more than well8 ,for1 unless he had taken the fancy to wish for immortality1 the last thing of which he ever thought1 what is there for which mortal man may wish that he did not attain8 ,in his early manhood he more than justified by extraordinary personal courage the hopes which his fellow-citizens had conceived of him as a child4 ,he never was a candidate for the consulship1 yet was elected consul twice3 the first time before the legal age2 the second at a time which1 as far as he was concerned1 was soon enough1 but was near being too late for the interests of the ,state4 ,by the overthrow of two cities which were the most bitter enemies of our ,empire1 he put an end not only to the wars then raging1 but also to the possibility of others in the future4 ,what need to mention the exquisite grace of his manners1 his dutiful devotion to his mother1 his generosity to his sisters1 his liberality to his relations1 the integrity of his conduct to every one8 ,you know all this already4 ,finally1 the estimation in which his fellow-citizens held him has been shown by the signs of mourning which accompanied his obsequies4 ,what could such a man have gained by the addition of a few years8 ,though age need not be a burden1--as ,i remember ,cato arguing in the presence of myself and ,scipio two years before he died1--yet it cannot but take away the vigour and freshness which ,scipio was still enjoying4 ,we may conclude therefore that his life1 from the good fortune which had attended him and the glory he had obtained1 was so circumstanced that it could not be bettered1 while the suddenness of his death saved him the sensation of dying4 ,as to the manner of his death it is difficult to speak2 you see what people suspect4 ,thus much1 however1 ,i may say3 ,scipio in his lifetime saw many days of supreme triumph and exultation1 but none more magnificent than his last1 on which1 upon the rising of the ,senate1 he was escorted by the senators and the people of ,rome1 by the allies1 and by the ,latins1 to his own door4 ,from such an elevation of popular esteem the next step seems naturally to be an ascent to the gods above1 rather than a descent to ,hades4 #d4 ,for ,i am not one of these modern philosophers who maintain that our souls perish with our bodies1 and that death ends all4 ,with me ancient opinion has more weight3 whether it be that of our own ancestors1 who attributed such solemn observances to the dead1 as they plainly would not have done if they had believed them to be wholly annihilated2 or that of the philosophers who once visited this country1 and who by their maxims and doctrines educated ,magna ,graecia1 which at that time was in a flourishing condition1 though it has now been ruined2 or that of the man who was declared by ,apollo's oracle to be most wise1 and who used to teach without the variation which is to be found in most philosophers that the souls of men are divine1 and that when they have quitted the body a return to heaven is open to them1 least difficult to those who have been most virtuous and just4 ,this opinion was shared by ,scipio4 ,only a few days before his death--as though he had a presentiment of what was coming--he discoursed for three days on the state of the republic4 ,the company consisted of ,philus and ,manlius and several others1 and ,i had brought you1 ,scaevola1 along with me4 ,the last part of his discourse referred principally to the immortality of the soul2 for he told us what he had heard from the elder ,africanus in a dream4 ,now if it be true that in proportion to a man's goodness the escape from what may be called the prison and bonds of the flesh is easiest1 whom can we imagine to have had an easier voyage to the gods than ,scipio8 ,i am disposed to think1 therefore1 that in his case mourning would be a sign of envy rather than of friendship4 ,if1 however1 the truth rather is that the body and soul perish together1 and that no sensation remains1 then though there is nothing good in death1 at least there is nothing bad4 ,remove sensation1 and a man is exactly as though he had never been born2 and yet that this man was born is a joy to me1 and will be a subject of rejoicing to this ,state to its last hour4 ,wherefore1 as ,i said before1 all is as well as possible with him4 ,not so with me2 for as ,i entered life before him1 it would have been fairer for me to leave it also before him4 ,yet such is the pleasure ,i take in recalling our friendship1 that ,i look upon my life as having been a happy one because ,i have spent it with ,scipio4 ,with him ,i was associated in public and private business2 with him ,i lived in ,rome and served abroad2 and between us there was the most complete harmony in our tastes1 our pursuits1 and our sentiments1 which is the true secret of friendship4 ,it is not therefore in that reputation for wisdom mentioned just now by ,fannius--especially as it happens to be groundless--that ,i find my happiness so much1 as in the hope that the memory of our friendship will be lasting4 ,what makes me care the more about this is the fact that in all history there are scarcely three or four pairs of friends on record2 and it is classed with them that ,i cherish a hope of the friendship of ,scipio and ,laelius being known to posterity4 ,fannius4 ,of course that must be so1 ,laelius4 ,but since you have mentioned the word friendship1 and we are at leisure1 you would be doing me a great kindness1 and ,i expect ,scaevola also1 if you would do as it is your habit to do when asked questions on other subjects1 and tell us your sentiments about friendship1 its nature1 and the rules to be observed in regard to it4 ,scaevola4 ,i shall of course be delighted4 ,fannius has anticipated the very request ,i was about to make4 ,so you will be doing us both a great favour4 #e4 ,laelius4 ,i should certainly have no objection if ,i felt confidence in myself4 ,for the theme is a noble one1 and we are 7as ,fannius has said7 at leisure4 ,but who am ,i8 and what ability have ,i8 ,what you propose is all very well for professional philosophers1 who are used1 particularly if ,greeks1 to have the subject for discussion proposed to them on the spur of the moment4 ,it is a task of considerable difficulty1 and requires no little practice4 ,therefore for a set discourse on friendship you must go1 ,i think1 to professional lecturers4 ,all ,i can do is to urge on you to regard friendship as the greatest thing in the world2 for there is nothing which so fits in with our nature1 or is so exactly what we want in prosperity or adversity4 ,but ,i must at the very beginning lay down this principle--friendship can only exist between good men4 ,i do not1 however1 press this too closely1 like the philosophers who push their definitions to a superfluous accuracy4 ,they have truth on their side1 perhaps1 but it is of no practical advantage4 ,those1 ,i mean1 who say that no one but the wise is good4 ,granted1 by all means4 ,but the wisdom they mean is one to which no mortal ever yet attained4 ,we must concern ourselves with the facts of everyday life as we find it--not imaginary and ideal perfections4 ,even ,gaius ,fannius1 ,manius ,curius1 and ,tiberius ,coruncanius1 whom our ancestors decided to be wise1 ,i could never declare to be so according to their standard4 ,let them1 then1 keep this word wisdom to themselves4 ,everybody is irritated by it2 no one understands what it means4 ,let them but grant that the men ,i mentioned were good4 ,no1 they won't do that either4 ,no one but the wise can be allowed that title1 say they4 ,well1 then1 let us dismiss them and manage as best we may with our own poor mother wit1 as the phrase is4 ,we mean then by the good those whose actions and lives leave no question as to their honour1 purity1 equity1 and liberality2 who are free from greed1 lust1 and violence2 and who have the courage of their convictions4 ,the men ,i have just named may serve as examples4 ,such men as these being generally accounted good1 let us agree to call them so1 on the ground that to the best of human ability they follow nature as the most perfect guide to a good life4 ,now this truth seems clear to me1 that nature has so formed us that a certain tie unites us all1 but that this tie becomes stronger from proximity4 ,so it is that fellow-citizens are preferred in our affections to foreigners1 relations to strangers2 for in their case ,nature herself has caused a kind of friendship to exist1 though it is one which lacks some of the elements of permanence4 ,friendship excels relationship in this1 that whereas you may eliminate affection from relationship1 you cannot do so from friendship4 ,without it relationship still exists in name1 friendship does not4 ,you may best understand this friendship by considering that1 whereas the merely natural ties uniting the human race are indefinite1 this one is so concentrated1 and confined to so narrow a sphere1 that affection is ever shared by two persons only or at most by a few4 #f4 ,now friendship may be thus defined3 a complete accord on all subjects human and divine1 joined with mutual goodwill and affection4 ,and with the exception of wisdom1 ,i am inclined to think nothing better than this has been given to man by the immortal gods4 ,there are people who give the palm to riches or to good health1 or to power and office1 many even to sensual pleasures4 ,this last is the ideal of brute beasts2 and of the others we may say that they are frail and uncertain1 and depend less on our own prudence than on the caprice of fortune4 ,then there are those who find the chief good in virtue4 ,well1 that is a noble doctrine4 ,but the very virtue they talk of is the parent and preserver of friendship1 and without it friendship cannot possibly exist4 ,let us1 ,i repeat1 use the word virtue in the ordinary acceptation and meaning of the term1 and do not let us define it in high-flown language4 ,let us account as good the persons usually considered so1 such as ,paulus1 ,cato1 ,gallus1 ,scipio1 and ,philus4 ,such men as these are good enough for everyday life2 and we need not trouble ourselves about those ideal characters which are nowhere to be met with4 ,well1 between men like these the advantages of friendship are almost more than ,i can say4 ,to begin with1 how can life be worth living1 to use the words of ,ennius1 which lacks that repose which is to be found in the mutual good-will of a friend8 ,what can be more delightful than to have some one to whom you can say everything with the same absolute confidence as to yourself8 ,is not prosperity robbed of half its value if you have no one to share your joy8 ,on the other hand1 misfortunes would be hard to bear if there were not some one to feel them even more acutely than yourself4 ,in a word1 other objects of ambition serve for particular ends--riches for use1 power for securing homage1 office for reputation1 pleasure for enjoyment1 health for freedom from pain and the full use of the functions of the body4 ,but friendship embraces innumerable advantages4 ,turn which way you please1 you will find it at hand4 ,it is everywhere2 and yet never out of place1 never unwelcome4 ,fire and water themselves1 to use a common expression1 are not of more universal use than friendship4 ,i am not now speaking of the common or modified form of it1 though even that is a source of pleasure and profit1 but of that true and complete friendship which existed between the select few who are known to fame4 ,such friendship enhances prosperity1 and relieves adversity of its burden by halving and sharing it4 #g4 ,and great and numerous as are the blessings of friendship1 this certainly is the sovereign one1 that it gives us bright hopes for the future and forbids weakness and despair4 ,in the face of a true friend a man sees as it were a second self4 ,so that where his friend is he is2 if his friend be rich1 he is not poor2 though he be weak1 his friend's strength is his2 and in his friend's life he enjoys a second life after his own is finished4 ,this last is perhaps the most difficult to conceive4 ,but such is the effect of the respect1 the loving remembrance1 and the regret of friends which follow us to the grave4 ,while they take the sting out of death1 they add a glory to the life of the survivors4 ,nay1 if you eliminate from nature the tie of affection1 there will be an end of house and city1 nor will so much as the cultivation of the soil be left4 ,if you don't see the virtue of friendship and harmony1 you may learn it by observing the effects of quarrels and feuds4 ,was any family ever so well established1 any ,state so firmly settled1 as to be beyond the reach of utter destruction from animosities and factions8 ,this may teach you the immense advantage of friendship4 ,they say that a certain philosopher of ,agrigentum1 in a ,greek poem1 pronounced with the authority of an oracle the doctrine that whatever in nature and the universe was unchangeable was so in virtue of the binding force of friendship2 whatever was changeable was so by the solvent power of discord4 ,and indeed this is a truth which everybody understands and practically attests by experience4 ,for if any marked instance of loyal friendship in confronting or sharing danger comes to light1 every one applauds it to the echo4 ,what cheers there were1 for instance1 all over the theatre at a passage in the new play of my friend and guest ,pacuvius2 where the king1 not knowing which of the two was ,orestes1 ,pylades declared himself to be ,orestes1 that he might die in his stead1 while the real ,orestes kept on asserting that it was he4 ,the audience rose en masse and clapped their hands4 ,and this was at an incident in fiction3 what would they have done1 must we suppose1 if it had been in real life8 ,you can easily see what a natural feeling it is1 when men who would not have had the resolution to act thus themselves1 shewed how right they thought it in another4 ,i don't think ,i have any more to say about friendship4 ,if there is any more1 and ,i have no doubt there is much1 you must1 if you care to do so1 consult those who profess to discuss such matters4 ,fannius4 ,we would rather apply to you4 ,yet ,i have often consulted such persons1 and have heard what they had to say with a certain satisfaction4 ,but in your discourse one somehow feels that there is a different strain4 ,scaevola4 ,you would have said that still more1 ,fannius1 if you had been present the other day in ,scipio's pleasure-grounds when we had the discussion about the ,state4 ,how splendidly he stood up for justice against ,philus's elaborate speech4 ,fannius4 ,ah6 it was naturally easy for the justest of men to stand up for justice4 ,scaevola4 ,well1 then1 what about friendship8 ,who could discourse on it more easily than the man whose chief glory is a friendship maintained with the most absolute fidelity1 constancy1 and integrity8 #h4 ,laclius4 ,now you are really using force4 ,it makes no difference what kind of force you use3 force it is4 ,for it is neither easy nor right to refuse a wish of my sons-in-law1 particularly when the wish is a creditable one in itself4 ,well1 then1 it has very often occurred to me when thinking about friendship1 that the chief point to be considered was this3 is it weakness and want of means that make friendship desired8 ,i mean1 is its object an interchange of good offices1 so that each may give that in which he is strong1 and receive that in which he is weak8 ,or is it not rather true that1 although this is an advantage naturally belonging to friendship1 yet its original cause is quite other1 prior in time1 more noble in character1 and springing more directly from our nature itself8 ,the ,latin word for friendship--amicitia--is derived from that for love--amor2 and love is certainly the prime mover in contracting mutual affection4 ,for as to material advantages1 it often happens that those are obtained even by men who are courted by a mere show of friendship and treated with respect from interested motives4 ,but friendship by its nature admits of no feigning1 no pretence3 as far as it goes it is both genuine and spontaneous4 ,therefore ,i gather that friendship springs from a natural impulse rather than a wish for help3 from an inclination of the heart1 combined with a certain instinctive feeling of love1 rather than from a deliberate calculation of the material advantage it was likely to confer4 ,the strength of this feeling you may notice in certain animals4 ,they show such love to their offspring for a certain period1 and are so beloved by them1 that they clearly have a share in this natural1 instinctive affection4 ,but of course it is more evident in the case of man3 first1 in the natural affection between children and their parents1 an affection which only shocking wickedness can sunder2 and next1 when the passion of love has attained to a like strength--on our finding1 that is1 some one person with whose character and nature we are in full sympathy1 because we think that we perceive in him what ,i may call the beacon-light of virtue4 ,for nothing inspires love1 nothing conciliates affection1 like virtue4 ,why1 in a certain sense we may be said to feel affection even for men we have never seen1 owing to their honesty and virtue4 ,who1 for instance1 fails to dwell on the memory of ,gaius ,fabricius and ,manius ,curius with some affection and warmth of feeling1 though he has never seen them8 ,or who but loathes ,tarquinius ,superbus1 ,spurius ,cassius1 ,spurius ,maelius8 ,we have fought for empire in ,italy with two great generals1 ,pyrrhus and ,hannibal4 ,for the former1 owing to his probity1 we entertain no great feelings of enmity3 the latter1 owing to his cruelty1 our country has detested and always will detest4 #i4 ,now1 if the attraction of probity is so great that we can love it not only in those whom we have never seen1 but1 what is more1 actually in an enemy1 we need not be surprised if men's affections are roused when they fancy that they have seen virtue and goodness in those with whom a close intimacy is possible4 ,i do not deny that affection is strengthened by the actual receipt of benefits1 as well as by the perception of a wish to render service1 combined with a closer intercourse4 ,when these are added to the original impulse of the heart1 to which ,i have alluded1 a quite surprising warmth of feeling springs up4 ,and if any one thinks that this comes from a sense of weakness1 that each may have some one to help him to his particular need1 all ,i can say is that1 when he maintains it to be born of want and poverty1 he allows to friendship an origin very base1 and a pedigree1 if ,i may be allowed the expression1 far from noble4 ,if this had been the case1 a man's inclination to friendship would be exactly in proportion to his low opinion of his own resources4 ,whereas the truth is quite the other way4 ,for when a man's confidence in himself is greatest1 when he is so fortified by virtue and wisdom as to want nothing and to feel absolutely self-dependent1 it is then that he is most conspicuous for seeking out and keeping up friendships4 ,did ,africanus1 for example1 want anything of me8 ,not the least in the world6 ,neither did ,i of him4 ,in my case it was an admiration of his virtue1 in his an opinion1 may be1 which he entertained of my character1 that caused our affection4 ,closer intimacy added to the warmth of our feelings4 ,but though many great material advantages did ensue1 they were not the source from which our affection proceeded4 ,for as we are not beneficent and liberal with any view of extorting gratitude1 and do not regard an act of kindness as an investment1 but follow a natural inclination to liberality2 so we look on friendship as worth trying for1 not because we are attracted to it by the expectation of ulterior gain1 but in the conviction that what it has to give us is from first to last included in the feeling itself4 ,far different is the view of those who1 like brute beasts1 refer everything to sensual pleasure4 ,and no wonder4 ,men who have degraded all their powers of thought to an object so mean and contemptible can of course raise their eyes to nothing lofty1 to nothing grand and divine4 ,such persons indeed let us leave out of the present question4 ,and let us accept the doctrine that the sensation of love and the warmth of inclination have their origin in a spontaneous feeling which arises directly the presence of probity is indicated4 ,when once men have conceived the inclination1 they of course try to attach themselves to the object of it1 and move themselves nearer and nearer to him4 ,their aim is that they may be on the same footing and the same level in regard to affection1 and be more inclined to do a good service than to ask a return1 and that there should be this noble rivalry between them4 ,thus both truths will be established4 ,we shall get the most important material advantages from friendship2 and its origin from a natural impulse rather than from a sense of need will be at once more dignified and more in accordance with fact4 ,for if it were true that its material advantages cemented friendship1 it would be equally true that any change in them would dissolve it4 ,but nature being incapable of change1 it follows that genuine friendships are eternal4 ,so much for the origin of friendship4 ,but perhaps you would not care to hear any more4 ,fannius4 ,nay1 pray go on2 let us have the rest1 ,laelius4 ,i take on myself to speak for my friend here as his senior4 ,scaevola4 ,quite right6 ,therefore1 pray let us hear4 #aj4 ,loelius4 ,well1 then1 my good friends1 listen to some conversations about friendship which very frequently passed between ,scipio and myself4 ,i must begin by telling you1 however1 that he used to say that the most difficult thing in the world was for a friendship to remain unimpaired to the end of life4 ,so many things might intervene3 conflicting interests2 differences of opinion in politics2 frequent changes in character1 owing sometimes to misfortunes1 sometimes to advancing years4 ,he used to illustrate these facts from the analogy of boyhood1 since the warmest affections between boys are often laid aside with the boyish toga2 and even if they did manage to keep them up to adolescence1 they were sometimes broken by a rivalry in courtship1 or for some other advantage to which their mutual claims were not compatible4 ,even if the friendship was prolonged beyond that time1 yet it frequently received a rude shock should the two happen to be competitors for office4 ,for while the most fatal blow to friendship in the majority of cases was the lust of gold1 in the case of the best men it was a rivalry for office and reputation1 by which it had often happened that the most violent enmity had arisen between the closest friends4 ,again1 wide breaches and1 for the most part1 justifiable ones were caused by an immoral request being made of friends1 to pander to a man's unholy desires or to assist him in inflicting a wrong4 ,a refusal1 though perfectly right1 is attacked by those to whom they refuse compliance as a violation of the laws of friendship4 ,now the people who have no scruples as to the requests they make to their friends1 thereby allow that they are ready to have no scruples as to what they will do for their friends2 and it is the recriminations of such people which commonly not only quench friendships1 but give rise to lasting enmities4 ,in fact1 he used to say1 these fatalities overhang friendship in such numbers that it requires not only wisdom but good luck also to escape them all4 #aa4 ,with these premises1 then1 let us first1 if you please1 examine the question--how far ought personal feeling to go in friendship8 ,for instance3 suppose ,coriolanus to have had friends1 ought they to have joined him in invading his country8 ,again1 in the case of ,vecellinus or ,spurius ,maelius1 ought their friends to have assisted them in their attempt to establish a tyranny8 ,take two instances of either line of conduct4 ,when ,tiberius ,gracchus attempted his revolutionary measures he was deserted1 as we saw1 by ,quintus ,tubero and the friends of his own standing4 ,on the other hand1 a friend of your own family1 ,scaevola1 ,gaius ,blossius of ,cumae1 took a different course4 ,i was acting as assessor to the consuls ,laenas and ,rupilius to try the conspirators1 and ,blossius pleaded for my pardon on the ground that his regard for ,tiberius ,gracchus had been so high that he looked upon his wishes as law4 ,even if he had wished you to set fire to the ,capitol8 said ,i4 ,that is a thing1 he replied1 that he never would have wished4 ,ah1 but if he had wished it8 said ,i4 ,i would have obeyed4 ,the wickedness of such a speech needs no comment4 ,and in point of fact he was as good and better than his word for he did not wait for orders in the audacious proceedings of ,tiberius ,gracchus1 but was the head and front of them1 and was a leader rather than an abettor of his madness4 ,the result of his infatuation was that he fled to ,asia1 terrified by the special commission appointed to try him1 joined the enemies of his country1 and paid a penalty to the republic as heavy as it was deserved4 ,i conclude1 then1 that the plea of having acted in the interests of a friend is not a valid excuse for a wrong action4 ,for1 seeing that a belief in a man's virtue is the original cause of friendship1 friendship can hardly remain if virtue he abandoned4 ,but if we decide it to be right to grant our friends whatever they wish1 and to ask them for whatever we wish1 perfect wisdom must be assumed on both sides if no mischief is to happen4 ,but we cannot assume this perfect wisdom2 for we are speaking only of such friends as are ordinarily to be met with1 whether we have actually seen them or have been told about them--men1 that is to say1 of everyday life4 ,i must quote some examples of such persons1 taking care to select such as approach nearest to our standard of wisdom4 ,we read1 for instance1 that ,papus ,aemilius was a close friend of ,gaius ,luscinus4 ,history tells us that they were twice consuls together1 and colleagues in the censorship4 ,again1 it is on record that ,manius ,curius and ,tiberius ,coruncanius were on the most intimate terms with them and with each other4 ,now1 we cannot even suspect that any one of these men ever asked of his friend anything that militated against his honour or his oath or the interests of the republic4 ,in the case of such men as these there is no point in saying that one of them would not have obtained such a request if he had made it2 for they were men of the most scrupulous piety1 and the making of such a request would involve a breach of religious obligation no less than the granting it4 ,however1 it is quite true that ,gaius ,carbo and ,gaius ,cato did follow ,tiberius ,gracchus2 and though his brother ,caius ,gracchus did not do so at the time1 he is now the most eager of them all4 #ab4 ,we may then lay down this rule of friendship--neither ask nor consent to do what is wrong4 ,for the plea for friendship's sake is a discreditable one1 and not to be admitted for a moment4 ,this rule holds good for all wrong-doing1 but more especially in such as involves disloyalty to the republic4 ,for things have come to such a point with us1 my dear ,fannius and ,scaevola1 that we are bound to look somewhat far ahead to what is likely to happen to the republic4 ,the constitution1 as known to our ancestors1 has already swerved somewhat from the regular course and the lines marked out for it4 ,tiberius ,gracchus made an attempt to obtain the power of a king1 or1 ,i might rather say1 enjoyed that power for a few months4 ,had the ,roman people ever heard or seen the like before8 ,what the friends and connexions that followed him1 even after his death1 have succeeded in doing in the case of ,publius ,scipio ,i cannot describe without tears4 ,as for ,carbo1 thanks to the punishment recently inflicted on ,tiberius ,gracchus1 we have by hook or by crook managed to hold out against his attacks4 ,but what to expect of the tribuneship of ,caius ,gracchus ,i do not like to forecast4 ,one thing leads to another2 and once set going1 the downward course proceeds with ever-increasing velocity4 ,there is the case of the ballot3 what a blow was inflicted first by the lex ,gabinia1 and two years afterwards by the lex ,cassia6 ,i seem already to see the people estranged from the ,senate1 and the most important affairs at the mercy of the multitude4 ,for you may be sure that more people will learn how to set such things in motion than how to stop them4 ,what is the point of these remarks8 ,this3 no one ever makes any attempt of this sort without friends to help him4 ,we must therefore impress upon good men that1 should they become inevitably involved in friendships with men of this kind1 they ought not to consider themselves under any obligation to stand by friends who are disloyal to the republic4 ,bad men must have the fear of punishment before their eyes3 a punishment not less severe for those who follow than for those who lead others to crime4 ,who was more famous and powerful in ,greece than ,themistocles8 ,at the head of the army in the ,persian war he had freed ,greece2 he owed his exile to personal envy3 but he did not submit to the wrong done him by his ungrateful country as he ought to have done4 ,he acted as ,coriolanus had acted among us twenty years before4 ,but no one was found to help them in their attacks upon their fatherland4 ,both of them accordingly committed suicide4 ,we conclude1 then1 not only that no such confederation of evilly disposed men must be allowed to shelter itself under the plea of friendship1 but that1 on the contrary1 it must be visited with the severest punishment1 lest the idea should prevail that fidelity to a friend justifies even making war upon one's country4 ,and this is a case which ,i am inclined to think1 considering how things are beginning to go1 will sooner or later arise4 ,and ,i care quite as much what the state of the constitution will be after my death as what it is now4 #ac4 ,let this1 then1 be laid down as the first law of friendship1 that we should ask from friends1 and do for friends'1 only what is good4 ,but do not let us wait to be asked either3 let there be ever an eager readiness1 and an absence of hesitation4 ,let us have the courage to give advice with candour4 ,in friendship1 let the influence of friends who give good advice be paramount2 and let this influence be used to enforce advice not only in plain-spoken terms1 but sometimes1 if the case demands it1 with sharpness2 and when so used1 let it be obeyed4 ,i give you these rules because ,i believe that some wonderful opinions are entertained by certain persons who have1 ,i am told1 a reputation for wisdom in ,greece4 ,there is nothing in the world1 by the way1 beyond the reach of their sophistry4 ,well1 some of them teach that we should avoid very close friendships1 for fear that one man should have to endure the anxieties of several4 ,each man1 say they1 has enough and to spare on his own hands2 it is too bad to be involved in the cares of other people4 ,the wisest course is to hold the reins of friendship as loose as possible2 you can then tighten or slacken them at your will4 ,for the first condition of a happy life is freedom from care1 which no one's mind can enjoy if it has to travail1 so to speak1 for others besides itself4 ,another sect1 ,i am told1 gives vent to opinions still less generous4 ,i briefly touched on this subject just now4 ,they affirm that friendships should be sought solely for the sake of the assistance they give1 and not at all from motives of feeling and affection2 and that therefore just in proportion as a man's power and means of support are lowest1 he is most eager to gain friendships3 thence it comes that weak women seek the support of friendship more than men1 the poor more than the rich1 the unfortunate rather than those esteemed prosperous4 ,what noble philosophy6 ,you might just as well take the sun out of the sky as friendship from life2 for the immortal gods have given us nothing better or more delightful4 ,but let us examine the two doctrines4 ,what is the value of this freedom from care8 ,it is very tempting at first sight1 but in practice it has in many cases to be put on one side4 ,for there is no business and no course of action demanded from us by our honour which you can consistently decline1 or lay aside when begun1 from a mere wish to escape from anxiety4 ,nay1 if we wish to avoid anxiety we must avoid virtue itself1 which necessarily involves some anxious thoughts in showing its loathing and abhorrence for the qualities which are opposite to itself--as kindness for ill-nature1 self-control for licentiousness1 courage for cowardice4 ,thus you may notice that it is the just who are most pained at injustice1 the brave at cowardly actions1 the temperate at depravity4 ,it is then characteristic of a rightly ordered mind to be pleased at what is good and grieved at the reverse4 ,seeing then that the wise are not exempt from the heart-ache 7which must be the case unless we suppose all human nature rooted out of their hearts71 why should we banish friendship from our lives1 for fear of being involved by it in some amount of distress8 ,if you take away emotion1 what difference remains ,i don't say between a man and a beast1 but between a man and a stone or a log of wood1 or anything else of that kind8 ,neither should we give any weight to the doctrine that virtue is something rigid and unyielding as iron4 ,in point of fact it is in regard to friendship1 as in so many other things1 so supple and sensitive that it expands1 so to speak1 at a friend's good fortune1 contracts at his misfortunes4 ,we conclude then that mental pain which we must often encounter on a friend's account is not of sufficient consequence to banish friendship from our life1 any more than it is true that the cardinal virtues are to be dispensed with because they involve certain anxieties and distresses4 #ad4 ,let me repeat then1 the clear indication of virtue1 to which a mind of like character is naturally attracted1 is the beginning of friendship4 ,when that is the case the rise of affection is a necessity4 ,for what can be more irrational than to take delight in many objects incapable of response1 such as office1 fame1 splendid buildings1 and personal decoration1 and yet to take little or none in a sentient being endowed with virtue1 which has the faculty of loving or1 if ,i may use the expression1 loving back8 ,for nothing is really more delightful than a return of affection1 and the mutual interchange of kind feeling and good offices4 ,and if we add1 as we may fairly do1 that nothing so powerfully attracts and draws one thing to itself as likeness does to friendship1 it will at once be admitted to be true that the good love the good and attach them to themselves as though they were united by blood and nature4 ,for nothing can be more eager1 or rather greedy1 for what is like itself than nature4 ,so1 my dear ,fannius and ,scaevola1 we may look upon this as an established fact1 that between good men there is1 as it were of necessity1 a kindly feeling1 which is the source of friendship ordained by nature4 ,but this same kindliness affects the many also4 ,for that is no unsympathetic or selfish or exclusive virtue1 which protects even whole nations and consults their best interests4 ,and that certainly it would not have done had it disdained all affection for the common herd4 ,again1 the believers in the interest theory appear to me to destroy the most attractive link in the chain of friendship4 ,for it is not so much what one gets by a friend that gives one pleasure1 as the warmth of his feeling2 and we only care for a friend's service if it has been prompted by affection4 ,and so far from its being true that lack of means is a motive for seeking friendship1 it is usually those who being most richly endowed with wealth and means1 and above all with virtue 7which1 after all1 is a man's best support71 are least in need of another1 that are most openhanded and beneficent4 ,indeed ,i am inclined to think that friends ought at times to be in want of something4 ,for instance1 what scope would my affections have had if ,scipio had never wanted my advice or co-operation at home or abroad8 ,it is not friendship1 then1 that follows material advantage1 but material advantage friendship4 #ae4 ,we must not therefore listen to these superfine gentlemen when they talk of friendship1 which they know neither in theory nor in practice4 ,for who1 in heaven's name1 would choose a life of the greatest wealth and abundance on condition of neither loving or being beloved by any creature8 ,that is the sort of life tyrants endure4 ,they1 of course1 can count on no fidelity1 no affection1 no security for the goodwill of any one4 ,for them all is suspicion and anxiety2 for them there is no possibility of friendship4 ,who can love one whom he fears1 or by whom he knows that he is feared8 ,yet such men have a show of friendship offered them1 but it is only a fair-weather show4 ,if it ever happen that they fall1 as it generally does1 they will at once understand how friendless they are4 ,so they say ,tarquin observed in his exile that he never knew which of his friends were real and which sham1 until he had ceased to be able to repay either4 ,though what surprises me is that a man of his proud and overbearing character should have a friend at all4 ,and as it was his character that prevented his having genuine friends1 so it often happens in the case of men of unusually great means--their very wealth forbids faithful friendships4 ,for not only is ,fortune blind herself2 but she generally makes those blind also who enjoy her favours4 ,they are carried1 so to speak1 beyond themselves with self-conceit and self-will2 nor can anything be more perfectly intolerable than a successful fool4 ,you may often see it4 ,men who before had pleasant manners enough undergo a complete change on attaining power of office4 ,they despise their old friends3 devote themselves to new4 ,now1 can anything be more foolish than that men who have all the opportunities which prosperity1 wealth1 and great means can bestow1 should secure all else which money can buy--horses1 servants1 splendid upholstering1 and costly plate--but do not secure friends1 who are1 if ,i may use the expression1 the most valuable and beautiful furniture of life8 ,and yet1 when they acquire the former1 they know not who will enjoy them1 nor for whom they may be taking all this trouble2 for they will one and all eventually belong to the strongest3 while each man has a stable and inalienable ownership in his friendships4 ,and even if those possessions1 which are1 in a manner1 the gifts of fortune1 do prove permanent1 life can never be anything but joyless which is without the consolations and companionship of friends4 #af4 ,to turn to another branch of our subject4 ,we must now endeavour to ascertain what limits are to be observed in friendship--what is the boundary-line1 so to speak1 beyond which our affection is not to go4 ,on this point ,i notice three opinions1 with none of which ,i agree4 ,one is that we should love our friend just as much as we love ourselves1 and no more2 another1 that our affection to them should exactly correspond and equal theirs to us2 a third1 that a man should be valued at exactly the same rate as he values himself4 ,to not one of these opinions do ,i assent4 ,the first1 which holds that our regard for ourselves is to be the measure of our regard for our friend1 is not true2 for how many things there are which we would never have done for our own sakes1 but do for the sake of a friend6 ,we submit to make requests from unworthy people1 to descend even to supplication2 to be sharper in invective1 more violent in attack4 ,such actions are not creditable in our own interests1 but highly so in those of our friends4 ,there are many advantages too which men of upright character voluntarily forego1 or of which they are content to be deprived1 that their friends may enjoy them rather than themselves4 ,the second doctrine is that which limits friendship to an exact equality in mutual good offices and good feelings4 ,but such a view reduces friendship to a question of figures in a spirit far too narrow and illiberal1 as though the object were to have an exact balance in a debtor and creditor account4 ,true friendship appears to me to be something richer and more generous than that comes to2 and not to be so narrowly on its guard against giving more than it receives4 ,in such a matter we must not be always afraid of something being wasted or running over in our measure1 or of more than is justly due being devoted to our friendship4 ,but the last limit proposed is the worst1 namely1 that a friend's estimate of himself is to be the measure of our estimate of him4 ,it often happens that a man has too humble an idea of himself1 or takes too despairing a view of his chance of bettering his fortune4 ,in such a case a friend ought not to take the view of him which he takes of himself4 ,rather he should do all he can to raise his drooping spirits1 and lead him to more cheerful hopes and thoughts4 ,we must then find some other limit4 ,but ,i must first mention the sentiment which used to call forth ,scipio's severest criticism4 ,he often said that no one ever gave utterance to anything more diametrically opposed to the spirit of friendship than the author of the dictum1 ,you should love your friend with the consciousness that you may one day hate him4 ,he could not be induced to believe that it was rightfully attributed to ,bias1 who was counted as one of the ,seven ,sages4 ,it was the sentiment of some person with sinister motives or selfish ambition1 or who regarded everything as it affected his own supremacy4 ,how can a man be friends with another1 if he thinks it possible that he may be his enemy8 ,why1 it will follow that he must wish and desire his friend to commit as many mistakes as possible1 that he may have all the more handles against him2 and1 conversely1 that he must be annoyed1 irritated1 and jealous at the right actions or good fortune of his friends4 ,this maxim1 then1 let it be whose it will1 is the utter destruction of friendship4 ,the true rule is to take such care in the selection of our friends as never to enter upon a friendship with a man whom we could under any circumstances come to hate4 ,and even if we are unlucky in our choice1 we must put up with it--according to ,scipio--in preference to making calculations as to a future breach4 #ag4 ,the real limit to be observed in friendship is this3 the characters of two friends must be stainless4 ,there must be complete harmony of interests1 purpose1 and aims1 without exception4 ,then if the case arises of a friend's wish 7not strictly right in itself7 calling for support in a matter involving his life or reputation1 we must make some concession from the straight path--on condition1 that is to say1 that extreme disgrace is not the consequence4 ,something must be conceded to friendship4 ,and yet we must not be entirely careless of our reputation1 nor regard the good opinion of our fellow-citizens as a weapon which we can afford to despise in conducting the business of our life1 however lowering it may be to tout for it by flattery and smooth words4 ,we must by no means abjure virtue1 which secures us affection4 ,but to return again to ,scipio1 the sole author of the discourse on friendship4 ,he used to complain that there was nothing on which men bestowed so little pains3 that every one could tell exactly how many goats or sheep he had1 but not how many friends2 and while they took pains in procuring the former1 they were utterly careless in selecting friends1 and possessed no particular marks1 so to speak1 or tokens by which they might judge of their suitability for friendship4 ,now the qualities we ought to look out for in making our selection are firmness1 stability1 constancy4 ,there is a plentiful lack of men so endowed1 and it is difficult to form a judgment without testing4 ,now this testing can only be made during the actual existence of the friendship2 for friendship so often precedes the formation of a judgment1 and makes a previous test impossible4 ,if we are prudent then1 we shall rein in our impulse to affection as we do chariot horses4 ,we make a preliminary trial of horses4 ,so we should of friendship2 and should test our friends' characters by a kind of tentative friendship4 ,it may often happen that the untrustworthiness of certain men is completely displayed in a small money matter2 others who are proof against a small sum are detected if it be large4 ,but even if some are found who think it mean to prefer money to friendship1 where shall we look for those who put friendship before office1 civil or military promotions1 and political power1 and who1 when the choice lies between these things on the one side and the claims of friendship on the other1 do not give a strong preference to the former8 ,it is not in human nature to be indifferent to political power2 and if the price men have to pay for it is the sacrifice of friendship1 they think their treason will be thrown into the shade by the magnitude of the reward4 ,this is why true friendship is very difficult to find among those who engage in politics and the contest for office4 ,where can you find the man to prefer his friend's advancement to his own8 ,and to say nothing of that1 think how grievous and almost intolerable it is to most men to share political disaster4 ,you will scarcely find anyone who can bring himself to do that4 ,and though what ,ennius says is quite true1-- the hour of need shews the friend indeed1--yet it is in these two ways that most people betray their untrustworthiness and inconstancy1 by looking down on friends when they are themselves prosperous1 or deserting them in their distress4 ,a man1 then1 who has shewn a firm1 unshaken1 and unvarying friendship in both these contingencies we must reckon as one of a class the rarest in the world1 and all but superhuman4 #ah4 ,now1 what is the quality to look out for as a warrant for the stability and permanence of friendship8 ,it is loyalty4 ,nothing that lacks this can be stable4 ,we should also in making our selection look out for simplicity1 a social disposition1 and a sympathetic nature1 moved by what moves us4 ,these all contribute to maintain loyalty4 ,you can never trust a character which is intricate and tortuous4 ,nor1 indeed1 is it possible for one to be trustworthy and firm who is unsympathetic by nature and unmoved by what affects ourselves4 ,we may add1 that he must neither take pleasure in bringing accusations against us himself1 nor believe them when they are brought4 ,all these contribute to form that constancy which ,i have been endeavouring to describe4 ,and the result is1 what ,i started by saying1 that friendship is only possible between good men4 ,now there are two characteristic features in his treatment of his friends that a good 7which may be regarded as equivalent to a wise7 man will always display4 ,first1 he will be entirely without any make-believe or pretence of feeling2 for the open display even of dislike is more becoming to an ingenuous character than a studied concealment of sentiment4 ,secondly1 he will not only reject all accusations brought against his friend by another1 but he will not be suspicious himself either1 nor be always thinking that his friend has acted improperly4 ,besides this1 there should be a certain pleasantness in word and manner which adds no little flavour to friendship4 ,a gloomy temper and unvarying gravity may be very impressive2 but friendship should be a little less unbending1 more indulgent and gracious1 and more inclined to all kinds of good-fellowship and good-nature4 #ai4 ,but here arises a question of some little difficulty4 ,are there any occasions on which1 assuming their worthiness1 we should prefer new to old friends1 just as we prefer young to aged horses8 ,the answer admits of no doubt whatever4 ,for there should be no satiety in friendship1 as there is in other things4 ,the older the sweeter1 as in wines that keep well4 ,and the proverb is a true one1 ,you must eat many a peck of salt with a man to be thorough friends with him4 ,novelty1 indeed1 has its advantage1 which we must not despise4 ,there is always hope of fruit1 as there is in healthy blades of corn4 ,but age too must have its proper position2 and1 in fact1 the influence of time and habit is very great4 ,to recur to the illustration of the horse which ,i have just now used4 ,every one likes ceteris paribus to use the horse to which he has been accustomed1 rather than one that is untried and new4 ,and it is not only in the case of a living thing that this rule holds good1 but in inanimate things also2 for we like places where we have lived the longest1 even though they are mountainous and covered with forest4 ,but here is another golden rule in friendship3 put yourself on a level with your friend4 ,for it often happens that there are certain superiorities1 as for example ,scipio's in what ,i may call our set4 ,now he never assumed any airs of superiority over ,philus1 or ,rupilius1 or ,mummius1 or over friends of a lower rank still4 ,for instance1 he always shewed a deference to his brother ,quintus ,maximus because he was his senior1 who1 though a man no doubt of eminent character1 was by no means his equal4 ,he used also to wish that all his friends should be the better for his support4 ,this is an example we should all follow4 ,if any of us have any advantage in personal character1 intellect1 or fortune1 we should be ready to make our friends sharers and partners in it with ourselves4 ,for instance1 if their parents are in humble circumstances1 if their relations are powerful neither in intellect nor means1 we should supply their deficiencies and promote their rank and dignity4 ,you know the legends of children brought up as servants in ignorance of their parentage and family4 ,when they are recognized and discovered to be the sons of gods or kings1 they still retain their affection for the shepherds whom they have for many years looked upon as their parents4 ,much more ought this to be so in the case of real and undoubted parents4 ,for the advantages of genius and virtue1 and in short1 of every kind of superiority1 are never realized to their fullest extent until they are bestowed upon our nearest and dearest4 #bj4 ,but the converse must also be observed4 ,for in friendship and relationship1 just as those who possess any superiority must put themselves on an equal footing with those who are less fortunate1 so these latter must not be annoyed at being surpassed in genius1 fortune1 or rank4 ,but most people of that sort are forever either grumbling at something1 or harping on their claims2 and especially if they consider that they have services of their own to allege involving zeal and friendship and some trouble to themselves4 ,people who are always bringing up their services are a nuisance4 ,the recipient ought to remember them2 the performer should never mention them4 ,in the case of friends1 then1 as the superior are bound to descend1 so are they bound in a certain sense to raise those below them4 ,for there are people who make their friendship disagreeable by imagining themselves undervalued4 ,this generally happens only to those who think that they deserve to be so2 and they ought to be shewn by deeds as well as by words the groundlessness of their opinion4 ,now the measure of your benefits should be in the first place your own power to bestow1 and in the second place the capacity to bear them on the part of him on whom you are bestowing affection and help4 ,for1 however great your personal prestige may be1 you cannot raise all your friends to the highest offices of the ,state4 ,for instance1 ,scipio was able to make ,publius ,rupilius consul1 but not his brother ,lucius4 ,but granting that you can give anyone anything you choose1 you must have a care that it does not prove to be beyond his powers4 ,as a general rule1 we must wait to make up our mind about friendships till men's characters and years have arrived at their full strength and development4 ,people must not1 for instance1 regard as fast friends all whom in their youthful enthusiasm for hunting or football they liked for having the same tastes4 ,by that rule1 if it were a mere question of time1 no one would have such claims on our affections as nurses and slave-tutors4 ,not that they are to be neglected1 but they stand on a different ground4 ,it is only these mature friendships that can be permanent4 ,for difference of character leads to difference of aims1 and the result of such diversity is to estrange friends4 ,the sole reason1 for instance1 which prevents good men from making friends with bad1 or bad with good1 is that the divergence of their characters and aims is the greatest possible4 ,another good rule in friendship is this3 do not let an excessive affection hinder the highest interests of your friends4 ,this very often happens4 ,i will go again to the region of fable for an instance4 ,neoptolemus could never have taken ,troy if he had been willing to listen to ,lycomedes1 who had brought him up1 and with many tears tried to prevent his going there4 ,again1 it often happens that important business makes it necessary to part from friends3 the man who tries to baulk it1 because he thinks that he cannot endure the separation1 is of a weak and effeminate nature1 and on that very account makes but a poor friend4 ,there are1 of course1 limits to what you ought to expect from a friend and to what you should allow him to demand of you4 ,and these you must take into calculation in every case4 #ba4 ,again1 there is such a disaster1 so to speak1 as having to break off friendship4 ,and sometimes it is one we cannot avoid4 ,for at this point the stream of our discourse is leaving the intimacies of the wise and touching on the friendship of ordinary people4 ,it will happen at times that an outbreak of vicious conduct affects either a man's friends themselves or strangers1 yet the discredit falls on the friends4 ,in such cases friendships should be allowed to die out gradually by an intermission of intercourse4 ,they should1 as ,i have been told that ,cato used to say1 rather be unstitched than torn in twain2 unless1 indeed1 the injurious conduct be of so violent and outrageous a nature as to make an instant breach and separation the only possible course consistent with honour and rectitude4 ,again1 if a change in character and aim takes place1 as often happens1 or if party politics produces an alienation of feeling 7,i am now speaking1 as ,i said a short time ago1 of ordinary friendships1 not of those of the wise71 we shall have to be on our guard against appearing to embark upon active enmity while we only mean to resign a friendship4 ,for there can be nothing more discreditable than to be at open war with a man with whom you have been intimate4 ,scipio1 as you are aware1 had abandoned his friendship for ,quintus ,pompeius on my account2 and again1 from differences of opinion in politics1 he became estranged from my colleague ,metellus4 ,in both cases he acted with dignity and moderation1 shewing that he was offended indeed1 but without rancour4 ,our first object1 then1 should be to prevent a breach2 our second1 to secure that1 if it does occur1 our friendship should seem to have died a natural rather than a violent death4 ,next1 we should take care that friendship is not converted into active hostility1 from which flow personal quarrels1 abusive language1 and angry recriminations4 ,these last1 however1 provided that they do not pass all reasonable limits of forbearance1 we ought to put up with1 and1 in compliment to an old friendship1 allow the party that inflicts the injury1 not the one that submits to it1 to be in the wrong4 ,generally speaking1 there is but one way of securing and providing oneself against faults and inconveniences of this sort--not to be too hasty in bestowing our affection1 and not to bestow it at all on unworthy objects4 ,now1 by worthy of friendship ,i mean those who have in themselves the qualities which attract affection4 ,this sort of man is rare2 and indeed all excellent things are rare2 and nothing in the world is so hard to find as a thing entirely and completely perfect of its kind4 ,but most people not only recognize nothing as good in our life unless it is profitable1 but look upon friends as so much stock1 caring most for those by whom they hope to make most profit4 ,accordingly they never possess that most beautiful and most spontaneous friendship which must be sought solely for itself without any ulterior object4 ,they fail also to learn from their own feelings the nature and the strength of friendship4 ,for every one loves himself1 not for any reward which such love may bring1 but because he is dear to himself independently of anything else4 ,but unless this feeling is transferred to another1 what a real friend is will never be revealed2 for he is1 as it were1 a second self4 ,but if we find these two instincts shewing themselves in animals1--whether of the air or the sea or the land1 whether wild or tame1--first1 a love of self1 which in fact is born in everything that lives alike2 and1 secondly1 an eagerness to find and attach themselves to other creatures of their own kind2 and if this natural action is accompanied by desire and by something resembling human love1 how much more must this be the case in man by the law of his nature8 ,for man not only loves himself1 but seeks another whose spirit he may so blend with his own as almost to make one being of two4 #bb4 ,but most people unreasonably1 not to speak of modesty1 want such a friend as they are unable to be themselves1 and expect from their friends what they do not themselves give4 ,the fair course is first to be good yourself1 and then to look out for another of like character4 ,it is between such that the stability in friendship of which we have been talking can be secured2 when1 that is to say1 men who are united by affection learn1 first of all1 to rule those passions which enslave others1 and in the next place to take delight in fair and equitable conduct1 to bear each other's burdens1 never to ask each other for anything inconsistent with virtue and rectitude1 and not only to serve and love but also to respect each other4 ,i say respect2 for if respect is gone1 friendship has lost its brightest jewel4 ,and this shows the mistake of those who imagine that friendship gives a privilege to licentiousness and sin4 ,nature has given us friendship as the handmaid of virtue1 not as a partner in guilt3 to the end that virtue1 being powerless when isolated to reach the highest objects1 might succeed in doing so in union and partnership with another4 ,those who enjoy in the present1 or have enjoyed in the past1 or are destined to enjoy in the future such a partnership as this1 must be considered to have secured the most excellent and auspicious combination for reaching nature's highest good4 ,this is the partnership1 ,i say1 which combines moral rectitude1 fame1 peace of mind1 serenity3 all that men think desirable because with them life is happy1 but without them cannot be so4 ,this being our best and highest object1 we must1 if we desire to attain it1 devote ourselves to virtue2 for without virtue we can obtain neither friendship nor anything else desirable4 ,in fact1 if virtue be neglected1 those who imagine themselves to possess friends will find out their error as soon as some grave disaster forces them to make trial of them4 ,wherefore1 ,i must again and again repeat1 you must satisfy your judgment before engaging your affections3 not love first and judge afterwards4 ,we suffer from carelessness in many of our undertakings3 in none more than in selecting and cultivating our friends4 ,we put the cart before the horse1 and shut the stable door when the steed is stolen1 in defiance of the old proverb4 ,for1 having mutually involved ourselves in a long-standing intimacy or by actual obligations1 all on a sudden some cause of offence arises and we break off our friendships in full career4 #bc4 ,it is this that makes such carelessness in a matter of supreme importance all the more worthy of blame4 ,i say supreme importance1 because friendship is the one thing about the utility of which everybody with one accord is agreed4 ,that is not the case in regard even to virtue itself2 for many people speak slightingly of virtue as though it were mere puffing and self-glorification4 ,nor is it the case with riches4 ,many look down on riches1 being content with a little and taking pleasure in poor fare and dress1 ,and as to the political offices for which some have a burning desire--how many entertain such a contempt for them as to think nothing in the world more empty and trivial6 ,and so on with the rest2 things desirable in the eyes of some are regarded by very many as worthless4 ,but of friendship all think alike to a man1 whether those have devoted themselves to politics1 or those who delight in science and philosophy1 or those who follow a private way of life and care for nothing but their own business1 or those lastly who have given themselves body and soul to sensuality--they all think1 ,i say1 that without friendship life is no life1 if they want some part of it1 at any rate1 to be noble4 ,for friendship1 in one way or another1 penetrates into the lives of us all1 and suffers no career to be entirely free from its influence4 ,though a man be of so churlish and unsociable a nature as to loathe and shun the company of mankind1 as we are told was the case with a certain ,timon at ,athens1 yet even he cannot refrain from seeking some one in whose hearing he may disgorge the venom of his bitter temper4 ,we should see this most clearly1 if it were possible that some god should carry us away from these haunts of men1 and place us somewhere in perfect solitude1 and then should supply us in abundance with everything necessary to our nature1 and yet take from us entirely the opportunity of looking upon a human being4 ,who could steel himself to endure such a life8 ,who would not lose in his loneliness the zest for all pleasures8 ,and indeed this is the point of the observation of1 ,i think1 ,archytas of ,tarentum4 ,i have it third hand2 men who were my seniors told me that their seniors had told them4 ,it was this3 ,if a man could ascend to heaven and get a clear view of the natural order of the universe1 and the beauty of the heavenly bodies1 that wonderful spectacle would give him small pleasure1 though nothing could be conceived more delightful if he had but had some one to whom to tell what he had seen4 ,so true it is that nature abhors isolation1 and ever leans upon something as a stay and support2 and this is found in its most pleasing form in our closest friend4 #bd4 ,but though ,nature also declares by so many indications what her wish and object and desire is1 we yet in a manner turn a deaf ear and will not hear her warnings4 ,the intercourse between friends is varied and complex1 and it must often happen that causes of suspicion and offence arise1 which a wise man will sometimes avoid1 at other times remove1 at others treat with indulgence4 ,the one possible cause of offence that must be faced is when the interests of your friend and your own sincerity are at stake4 ,for instance1 it often happens that friends need remonstrance and even reproof4 ,when these are administered in a kindly spirit they ought to be taken in good part4 ,but somehow or other there is truth in what my friend ,terence says in his ,andria3 ,compliance gets us friends1 plain speaking hate4 ,plain speaking is a cause of trouble1 if the result of it is resentment1 which is poison of friendship2 but compliance is really the cause of much more trouble1 because by indulging his faults it lets a friend plunge into headlong ruin4 ,but the man who is most to blame is he who resents plain speaking and allows flattery to egg him on to his ruin4 ,on this point1 then1 from first to last there is need of deliberation and care4 ,if we remonstrate1 it should be without bitterness2 if we reprove1 there should be no word of insult4 ,in the matter of compliance 7for ,i am glad to adopt ,terence's word71 though there should be every courtesy1 yet that base kind which assists a man in vice should be far from us1 for it is unworthy of a free-born man1 to say nothing of a friend4 ,it is one thing to live with a tyrant1 another with a friend4 ,but if a man's ears are so closed to plain speaking that he cannot bear to hear the truth from a friend1 we may give him up in despair4 ,this remark of ,cato's1 as so many of his did1 shews great acuteness3 ,there are people who owe more to bitter enemies than to apparently pleasant friends3 the former often speak the truth1 the latter never4 ,besides1 it is a strange paradox that the recipients of advice should feel no annoyance where they ought to feel it1 and yet feel so much where they ought not4 ,they are not at all vexed at having committed a fault1 but very angry at being reproved for it4 ,on the contrary1 they ought to be grieved at the crime and glad of the correction4 #be4 ,well1 then1 if it is true that to give and receive advice--the former with freedom and yet without bitterness1 the latter with patience and without irritation--is peculiarly appropriate to genuine friendship1 it is no less true that there can be nothing more utterly subversive of friendship than flattery1 adulation1 and base compliance4 ,i use as many terms as possible to brand this vice of light-minded1 untrustworthy men1 whose sole object in speaking is to please without any regard to truth4 ,in everything false pretence is bad1 for it suspends and vitiates our power of discerning the truth4 ,but to nothing it is so hostile as to friendship2 for it destroys that frankness without which friendship is an empty name4 ,for the essence of friendship being that two minds become as one1 how can that ever take place if the mind of each of the separate parties to it is not single and uniform1 but variable1 changeable1 and complex8 ,can anything be so pliable1 so wavering1 as the mind of a man whose attitude depends not only on another's feeling and wish1 but on his very looks and nods8 ,if one says ,no1 ,i answer ,no2 ,if ,yes1 ,i answer ,yes4 ,in fine1 ,i've laid this task upon myself ,to echo all that's said-- to quote my old friend ,terence again4 ,but he puts these words into the mouth of a ,gnatho4 ,to admit such a man into one's intimacy at all is a sign of folly4 ,but there are many people like ,gnatho1 and it is when they are superior either in position or fortune or reputation that their flatteries become mischievous1 the weight of their position making up for the lightness of their character4 ,but if we only take reasonable care1 it is as easy to separate and distinguish a genuine from a specious friend as anything else that is coloured and artificial from what is sincere and genuine4 ,a public assembly1 though composed of men of the smallest possible culture1 nevertheless will see clearly the difference between a mere demagogue 7that is1 a flatterer and untrustworthy citizen7 and a man of principle1 standing1 and solidity4 ,it was by this kind of flattering language that ,gaius ,papirius the other day endeavoured to tickle the ears of the assembled people1 when proposing his law to make the tribunes re-eligible4 ,i spoke against it4 ,but ,i will leave the personal question4 ,i prefer speaking of ,scipio4 ,good heavens6 how impressive his speech was1 what a majesty there was in it6 ,you would have pronounced him1 without hesitation1 to be no mere henchman of the ,roman people1 but their leader4 ,however1 you were there1 and moreover have the speech in your hands4 ,the result was that a law meant to please the people was by the people's votes rejected4 ,once more to refer to myself1 you remember how apparently popular was the law proposed by ,gaius ,licinius ,crassus about the election to the ,college of ,priests in the consulship of ,quintus ,maximus1 ,scipio's brother1 and ,lucius ,mancinus4 ,for the power of filling up their own vacancies on the part of the colleges was by this proposal to be transferred to the people4 ,it was this man1 by the way1 who began the practice of turning towards the forum when addressing the people4 ,in spite of this1 however1 upon my speaking on the conservative side1 religion gained an easy victory over his plausible speech4 ,this took place in my praetorship1 five years before ,i was elected consul1 which shows that the cause was successfully maintained more by the merits of the case than by the prestige of the highest office4 #bf4 ,now1 if on a stage1 such as a public assembly essentially is1 where there is the amplest room for fiction and half-truths1 truth nevertheless prevails if it be but fairly laid open and brought into the light of day1 what ought to happen in the case of friendship1 which rests entirely on truthfulness8 ,friendship1 in which1 unless you both see and show an open breast1 to use a common expression1 you can neither trust nor be certain of anything--no1 not even of mutual affection1 since you cannot be sure of its sincerity4 ,however1 this flattery1 injurious as it is1 can hurt no one but the man who takes it in and likes it4 ,and it follows that the man to open his ears widest to flatterers is he who first flatters himself and is fondest of himself4 ,i grant you that ,virtue naturally loves herself2 for she knows herself and perceives how worthy of love she is4 ,but ,i am not now speaking of absolute virtue1 but of the belief men have that they possess virtue4 ,the fact is that fewer people are endowed with virtue than wish to be thought to be so4 ,it is such people that take delight in flattery4 ,when they are addressed in language expressly adapted to flatter their vanity1 they look upon such empty persiflage as a testimony to the truth of their own praises4 ,it is not then properly friendship at all when the one will not listen to the truth1 and the other is prepared to lie4 ,nor would the servility of parasites in comedy have seemed humorous to us had there been no such things as braggart captains4 ,is ,thais really much obliged to me8 ,it would have been quite enough to answer ,much1 but he must needs say ,immensely4 ,your servile flatterer always exaggerates what his victim wishes to be put strongly4 ,wherefore1 though it is with those who catch at and invite it that this flattering falsehood is especially powerful1 yet men even of soldier and steadier character must be warned to be on the watch against being taken in by cunningly disguised flattery4 ,an open flatterer any one can detect1 unless he is an absolute fool the covert insinuation of the cunning and the sly is what we have to be studiously on our guard against4 ,his detection is not by any means the easiest thing in the world1 for he often covers his servility under the guise of contradiction1 and flatters by pretending to dispute1 and then at last giving in and allowing himself to be beaten1 that the person hoodwinked may think himself to have been the clearer-sighted4 ,now what can be more degrading than to be thus hoodwinked8 ,you must be on your guard against this happening to you1 like the man in the ,heiress3 ,how have ,i been befooled6 no drivelling dotards ,on any stage were e'er so p#a;ayed upon4 ,for even on the stage we have no grosser representation of folly than that of short-sighted and credulous old men4 ,but somehow or other ,i have strayed away from the friendship of the perfect1 that is of the wise 7meaning1 of course1 such wisdom as human nature is capable of71 to the subject of vulgar1 unsubstantial friendships4 ,let us then return to our original theme1 and at length bring that1 too1 to a conclusion4 #bg4 ,well1 then1 ,fannius and ,mucius1 ,i repeat what ,i said before4 ,it is virtue1 virtue1 which both creates and preserves friendship4 ,on it depends harmony of interest1 permanence1 fidelity4 ,when ,virtue has reared her head and shewn the light of her countenance1 and seen and recognised the same light in another1 she gravitates towards it1 and in her turn welcomes that which the other has to shew2 and from it springs up a flame which you may call love or friendship as you please4 ,both words are from the same root in ,latin2 and love is just the cleaving to him whom you love without the prompting of need or any view to advantage--though this latter blossoms spontaneously on friendship1 little as you may have looked for it4 ,it is with such warmth of feeling that ,i cherished ,lucius ,paulus1 ,marcus ,cato1 ,galus ,gallus1 ,publius ,nasica1 ,tiberius ,gracchus1 my dear ,scipio's father-in-law4 ,it shines with even greater warmth when men are of the same age1 as in the case of ,scipio and ,lucius ,furius1 ,publius ,rupilius1 ,spurius ,mummius1 and myself4 ,en revanche1 in my old age ,i find comfort in the affection of young men1 as in the case of yourselves and ,quintus ,tubero3 nay more1 ,i delight in the intimacy of such a very young man as ,publius ,rutilius and ,aulus ,verginius4 ,and since the law of our nature and of our life is that a new generation is for ever springing up1 the most desirable thing is that along with your contemporaries1 with whom you started in the race1 you may also teach what is to us the goal4 ,but in view of the instability and perishableness of mortal things1 we should be continually on the look-out for some to love and by whom to be loved2 for if we lose affection and kindliness from our life1 we lose all that gives it charm4 ,for me1 indeed1 though torn away by a sudden stroke1 ,scipio still lives and ever wilt live4 ,for it was the virtue of the man that ,i loved1 and that has not suffered death4 ,and it is not my eyes only1 because ,i had all my life a personal experience of it1 that never lose sight of it3 it will shine to posterity also with undimmed glory4 ,no one will ever cherish a nobler ambition or a loftier hope without thinking his memory and his image the best to put before his eyes4 ,i declare that of all the blessings which either fortune or nature has bestowed upon me ,i know none to compare with ,scipio's friendship4 ,in it ,i found sympathy in public1 counsel in private business2 in it too a means of spending my leisure with unalloyed delight4 ,never1 to the best of my knowledge1 did ,i offend him even in the most trivial point2 never did ,i hear a word from him ,i could have wished unsaid4 ,we had one house1 one table1 one style of living2 and not only were we together on foreign service1 but in our tours also and country sojourns4 ,why speak of our eagerness to be ever gaining some knowledge1 to be ever learning something1 on which we spent all our leisure hours far from the gaze of the world8 ,if the recollection and memory of these things had perished with the man1 ,i could not possibly have endured the regret for one so closely united with me in life and affection4 ,but these things have not perished2 they are rather fed and strengthened by reflexion and memory4 ,even supposing me to have been entirely bereft of them1 still my time of life of itself brings me no small consolation3 for ,i cannot have much longer now to bear this regret2 and everything that is brief ought to be endurable1 however severe4 ,this is all ,i had to say on friendship4 ,one piece of advice on parting4 ,make up your minds to this4 ,virtue 7without which friendship is impossible7 is first2 but next to it1 and to it alone1 the greatest of all things is ,friendship4 ,,on ,,old ,,age #a4 ,and should my service1 ,titus1 ease the weight ,of care that wrings your heart1 and draw the sting ,which rankles there1 what guerdon shall there be8 ,,for ,i may address you1 ,atticus1 in the lines in which ,flamininus was addressed by the man1 who1 poor in wealth1 was rich in honour's gold1 though ,i am well assured that you are not1 as ,flamininus was1 kept on the rack of care by night and day4 ,for ,i know how well ordered and equable your mind is1 and am fully aware that it was not a surname alone which you brought home with you from ,athens1 but its culture and good sense4 ,and yet ,i have an idea that you are at times stirred to the heart by the same circumstances as myself4 ,to console you for these is a more serious matter1 and must be put off to another time4 ,for the present ,i have resolved to dedicate to you an essay on ,old ,age4 ,for from the burden of impending or at least advancing age1 common to us both1 ,i would do something to relieve us both though as to yourself ,i am fully aware that you support and will support it1 as you do everything else1 with calmness and philosophy4 ,but directly ,i resolved to write on old age1 you at once occurred to me as deserving a gift of which both of us might take advantage4 ,to myself1 indeed1 the composition of this book has been so delightful1 that it has not only wiped away all the disagreeables of old age1 but has even made it luxurious and delightful too4 ,never1 therefore1 can philosophy be praised as highly as it deserves considering that its faithful disciple is able to spend every period of his life with unruffled feelings4 ,however1 on other subjects ,i have spoken at large1 and shall often speak again3 this book which ,i herewith send you is on ,old ,age4 ,i have put the whole discourse not1 as ,alisto of ,cos did1 in the mouth of ,tithonus--for a mere fable would have lacked conviction--but in that of ,marcus ,cato when he was an old man1 to give my essay greater weight4 ,i represent ,laelius and ,scipio at his house expressing surprise at his carrying his years so lightly1 and ,cato answering them4 ,if he shall seem to shew somewhat more learning in this discourse than he generally did in his own books1 put it down to the ,greek literature of which it is known that he became an eager student in his old age4 ,but what need of more8 ,cato's own words will at once explain all ,i feel about old age4 ,m4 ,cato4 ,publius ,cornelius ,scipio ,africanus 7the younger74 ,gaius ,laelius4 #b4 ,scipio4 ,many a time have ,i in conversation with my friend ,gaius ,laelius here expressed my admiration1 ,marcus ,cato1 of the eminent1 nay perfect1 wisdom displayed by you indeed at all points1 but above everything because ,i have noticed that old age never seemed a burden to you1 while to most old men it is so hateful that they declare themselves under a weight heavier than ,aetna4 ,cato4 ,your admiration is easily excited1 it seems1 my dear ,scipio and ,laelius4 ,men1 of course1 who have no resources in themselves for securing a good and happy life find every age burdensome4 ,but those who look for all happiness from within can never think anything bad which nature makes inevitable4 ,in that category before anything else comes old age1 to which all wish to attain1 and at which all grumble when attained4 ,such is ,folly's inconsistency and unreasonableness6 ,they say that it is stealing upon them faster than they expected4 ,in the first place1 who compelled them to hug an illusion8 ,for in what respect did old age steal upon manhood faster than manhood upon childhood8 ,in the next place1 in what way would old age have been less disagreeable to them if they were in their eight-hundredth year than in their eightieth8 ,for their past1 however long1 when once it was past1 would have no consolation for a stupid old age4 ,wherefore1 if it is your wont to admire my wisdom--and ,i would that it were worthy of your good opinion and of my own surname of ,sapiens--it really consists in the fact that ,i follow ,nature1 the best of guides1 as ,i would a god1 and am loyal to her commands4 ,it is not likely1 if she has written the rest of the play well1 that she has been careless about the last act like some idle poet4 ,but after all some last was inevitable1 just as to the berries of a tree and the fruits of the earth there comes in the fulness of time a period of decay and fall4 ,a wise man will not make a grievance of this4 ,to rebel against nature--is not that to fight like the giants with the gods8 ,laelius4 ,and yet1 ,cato1 you will do us a very great favour 7,i venture to speak for ,scipio as for myself7 if--since we all hope1 or at least wish1 to become old men--you would allow us to learn from you in good time before it arrives1 by what methods we may most easily acquire the strength to support the burden of advancing age4 ,cato4 ,i will do so without doubt1 ,laelius1 especially if1 as you say1 it will be agreeable to you both4 ,laelius ,we do wish very much1 ,cato1 if it is no trouble to you1 to be allowed to see the nature of the bourne which you have reached after completing a long journey1 as it were1 upon which we too are bound to embark4 #c4 ,cato4 ,i will do the best ,i can1 ,laelius4 ,it has often been my fortune to bear the complaints of my contemporaries--like will to like1 you know1 according to the old proverb--complaints to which men like ,c4 ,salinator and ,sp4 ,albinus1 who were of consular rank and about my time1 used to give vent4 ,they were1 first1 that they had lost the pleasures of the senses1 without which they did not regard life as life at all2 and1 secondly1 that they were neglected by those from whom they had been used to receive attentions4 ,such men appear to me to lay the blame on the wrong thing4 ,for if it had been the fault of old age1 then these same misfortunes would have befallen me and all other men of advanced years4 ,but ,i have known many of them who never said a word of complaint against old age2 for they were only too glad to be freed from the bondage of passion1 and were not at all looked down upon by their friends4 ,the fact is that the blame for all complaints of that kind is to be charged to character1 not to a particular time of life4 ,for old men who are reasonable and neither cross-grained nor churlish find old age tolerable enough3 whereas unreason and churlishness cause uneasiness at every time of life4 ,laelius ,it is as you say1 ,cato4 ,but perhaps some one may suggest that it is your large means1 wealth1 and high position that make you think old age tolerable3 whereas such good fortune only falls to few4 ,cato4 ,there is something in that1 ,laelius1 but by no means all4 ,for instance1 the story is told of the answer of ,themistocles in a wrangle with a certain ,seriphian1 who asserted that he owed his brilliant position to the reputation of his country1 not to his own4 ,if ,i had been a ,seriphian1 said he1 even ,i should never have been famous1 nor would you if you had been an ,athenian4 ,something like this may be said of old age4 ,for the philosopher himself could not find old age easy to bear in the depths of poverty1 nor the fool feel it anything but a burden though he were a millionaire4 ,you may be sure1 my dear ,scipio and ,laelius1 that the arms best adapted to old age are culture and the active exercise of the virtues4 ,for if they have been maintained at every period--if one has lived much as well as long--the harvest they produce is wonderful1 not only because they never fail us even in our last days 7though that in itself is supremely important71 but also because the consciousness of a well-spent life and the recollection of many virtuous actions are exceedingly delightful4 #d4 ,take the case of ,q4 ,fabius ,maximus1 the man1 ,i mean1 who recovered ,tarentum4 ,when ,i was a young man and he an old one1 ,i was as much attached to him as if he had been my contemporary4 ,for that great man's serious dignity was tempered by courteous manners1 nor had old age made any change in his character4 ,true1 he was not exactly an old man when my devotion to him began1 yet he was nevertheless well on in life2 for his first consulship fell in the year after my birth4 ,when quite a stripling ,i went with him in his fourth consulship as a soldier in the ranks1 on the expedition against ,capua1 and in the fifth year after that against ,tarentum4 ,four years after that ,i was elected ,quaestor1 holding office in the consulship of ,tuditanus and ,cethegus1 in which year1 indeed1 he as a very old man spoke in favour of the ,cincian law on gifts and fees4 ,now this man conducted wars with all the spirit of youth when he was far advanced in life1 and by his persistence gradually wearied out ,hannibal1 when rioting in all the confidence of youth4 ,how brilliant are those lines of my friend ,ennius on him6 ,for us1 down beaten by the storms of fate1 ,one man by wise delays restored the ,state4 ,praise or dispraise moved not his constant mood1 ,true to his purpose1 to his country's good6 ,down ever-lengthening avenues of fame ,thus shines and shall shine still his glorious name4 ,again what vigilance1 what profound skill did he show in the capture of ,tarentum6 ,it was indeed in my hearing that he made the famous retort to ,salinator1 who had retreated into the citadel after losing the town3 ,it was owing to me1 ,quintus ,fabius1 that you retook ,tarentum4 ,quite so1 he replied with a laugh2 for had you not lost it1 ,i should never have recovered it4 ,nor was he less eminent in civil life than in war4 ,in his second consulship1 though his colleague would not move in the matter1 he resisted as long as he could the proposal of the tribune ,c4 ,flaminius to divide the territory of the ,picenians and ,gauls in free allotments in defiance of a resolution of the ,senate4 ,again1 though he was an augur1 he ventured to say that whatever was done in the interests of the ,state was done with the best possible auspices1 that any laws proposed against its interest were proposed against the auspices4 ,i was cognisant of much that was admirable in that great man1 but nothing struck me with greater astonishment than the way in which he bore the death of his son--a man of brilliant character and who had been consul4 ,his funeral speech over him is in wide circulation1 and when we read it1 is there any philosopher of whom we do not think meanly8 ,nor in truth was he only great in the light of day and in the sight of his fellow-citizens2 he was still more eminent in private and at home4 ,what a wealth of conversation6 ,what weighty maxims6 ,what a wide acquaintance with ancient history6 ,what an accurate knowledge of the science of augury6 ,for a ,roman1 too1 he had a great tincture of letters4 ,he had a tenacious memory for military history of every sort1 whether of ,roman or foreign wars4 ,and ,i used at that time to enjoy his conversation with a passionate eagerness1 as though ,i already divined1 what actually turned out to be the case1 that when he died there would be no one to teach me anything4 #e4 ,what then is the purpose of such a long disquisition on ,maximus8 ,it is because you now see that an old age like his cannot conscientiously be called unhappy4 ,yet it is after all true that everybody cannot be a ,scipio or a ,maximus1 with stormings of cities1 with battles by land and sea1 with wars in which they themselves commanded1 and with triumphs to recall4 ,besides this there is a quiet1 pure1 and cultivated life which produces a calm and gentle old age1 such as we have been told ,plato's was1 who died at his writing-desk in his eighty-first year2 or like that of ,isocrates1 who says that he wrote the book called ,the ,panegyric in his ninety-fourth year1 and who lived for five years afterwards2 while his master ,gorgias of ,leontini completed a hundred and seven years without ever relaxing his diligence or giving up work4 ,when some one asked him why he consented to remain so long alive--,i have no fault1 said he1 to find with old age4 ,that was a noble answer1 and worthy of a scholar4 ,for fools impute their own frailties and guilt to old age1 contrary to the practice of ,ennui1 whom ,i mentioned just now4 ,in the lines-- ,like some brave steed that oft before ,the ,olympic wreath of victory bore1 ,now by the weight of years oppressed1 ,forgets the race1 and takes his rest-- he compares his own old age to that of a high-spirited and successful race-horse4 ,and him indeed you may very well remember4 ,for the present consuls ,titus ,flamininus and ,manius ,acilius were elected in the nineteenth year after his death2 and his death occurred in the consulship of ,caepio and ,philippus1 the latter consul for the second time3 in which year ,i1 then sixty-six years old1 spoke in favour of the ,voconian law in a voice that was still strong and with lungs still sound2 while be1 though seventy years old1 supported two burdens considered the heaviest of all--poverty and old age--in such a way as to be all but fond of them4 ,the fact is that when ,i come to think it over1 ,i find that there are four reasons for old age being thought unhappy3 ,first1 that it withdraws us from active employments2 second1 that it enfeebles the body2 third1 that it deprives us of nearly all physical pleasures2 fourth1 that it is the next step to death4 ,of each of these reasons1 if you will allow me1 let us examine the force and justice separately4 #f4 ,,old ,,age ,,withdraws ,,us ,,from ,,active ,,employments4 ,from which of them8 ,do you mean from those carried on by youth and bodily strength8 ,are there then no old men's employments to be after all conducted by the intellect1 even when bodies are weak8 ,so then ,q4 ,maximus did nothing2 nor ,l4 ,aemilius--our father1 ,scipio1 and my excellent son's father-in-law6 ,so with other old men--the ,fabricii1 the ,guru and ,coruncanii--when they were supporting the ,state by their advice and influence1 they were doing nothing6 ,to old age ,appius ,claudius had the additional disadvantage of being blind2 yet it was he who1 when the ,senate was inclining towards a peace with ,pyrrhus and was for making a treaty1 did not hesitate to say what ,ennius has embalmed in the verses3 ,whither have swerved the souls so firm of yore8 ,is sense grown senseless8 ,can feet stand no more8 ,and so on in a tone of the most passionate vehemence4 ,you know the poem1 and the speech of ,appius himself is extant4 ,now1 he delivered it seventeen years after his second consulship1 there having been an interval of ten years between the two consulships1 and he having been censor before his previous consulship4 ,this will show you that at the time of the war with ,pyrrhus he was a very old man4 ,yet this is the story handed down to us4 ,there is therefore nothing in the arguments of those who say that old age takes no part in public business4 ,they are like men who would say that a steersman does nothing in sailing a ship1 because1 while some of the crew are climbing the masts1 others hurrying up and down the gangways1 others pumping out the bilge water1 he sits quietly in the stern holding the tiller4 ,he does not do what young men do2 nevertheless he does what is much more important and better4 ,the great affairs of life are not performed by physical strength1 or activity1 or nimbleness of body1 but by deliberation1 character1 expression of opinion4 ,of these old age is not only not deprived1 but1 as a rule1 has them in a greater degree4 ,unless by any chance ,i1 who as a soldier in the ranks1 as military tribune1 as legate1 and as consul have been employed in various kinds of war1 now appear to you to be idle because not actively engaged in war4 ,but ,i enjoin upon the ,senate what is to be done1 and how4 ,carthage has long been harbouring evil designs1 and ,i accordingly proclaim war against her in good time4 ,i shall never cease to entertain fears about her till ,i hear of her having been levelled with the ground4 ,the glory of doing that ,i pray that the immortal gods may reserve for you1 ,scipio1 so that you may complete the task begun by your grand-father1 now dead more than thirty-two years ago2 though all years to come will keep that great man's memory green4 ,he died in the year before my censorship1 nine years after my consulship1 having been returned consul for the second time in my own consulship4 ,if then he had lived to his hundredth year1 would he have regretted having lived to be old8 ,for he would of course not have been practising rapid marches1 nor dashing on a foe1 nor hurling spears from a distance1 nor using swords at close quarters--but only counsel1 reason1 and senatorial eloquence4 ,and if those qualities had not resided in us seniors1 our ancestors would never have called their supreme council a ,senate4 ,at ,sparta1 indeed1 those who hold the highest magistracies are in accordance with the fact actually called elders4 ,but if you will take the trouble to read or listen to foreign history1 you will find that the mightiest ,states have been brought into peril by young men1 have been supported and restored by old4 ,the question occurs in the poet ,naevius's ,sport3 ,pray1 who are those who brought your ,state ,with such despatch to meet its fate8 ,there is a long answer1 but this is the chief point3 ,a crop of brand-new orators we grew1 ,and foolish1 paltry lads who thought they knew4 ,for of course rashness is the note of youth1 prudence of old age4 #g4 ,but1 it is said1 memory dwindles4 ,no doubt1 unless you keep it in practice1 or if you happen to be somewhat dull by nature4 ,themistocles had the names of all his fellow-citizens by heart4 ,do you imagine that in his old age he used to address ,aristides as ,lysimachus8 ,for my part1 ,i know not only the present generation1 but their fathers also1 and their grandfathers4 ,nor have ,i any fear of losing my memory by reading tombstones1 according to the vulgar superstition4 ,on the contrary1 by reading them ,i renew my memory of those who are dead and gone4 ,nor1 in point of fact1 have ,i ever heard of any old man forgetting where he had hidden his money4 ,they remember everything that interests them3 when to answer to their bail1 business appointments1 who owes them money1 and to whom they owe it4 ,what about lawyers1 pontiffs1 augurs1 philosophers1 when old8 ,what a multitude of things they remember6 ,old men retain their intellects well enough1 if only they keep their minds active and fully employed4 ,nor is that the case only with men of high position and great office3 it applies equally to private life and peaceful pursuits4 ,sophocles composed tragedies to extreme old age2 and being believed to neglect the care of his property owing to his devotion to his art1 his sons brought him into court to get a judicial decision depriving him of the management of his property on the ground of weak intellect--just as in our law it is customary to deprive a paterfamilias of the management of his property if he is squandering it4 ,there--upon the old poet is said to have read to the judges the play he had on hand and had just composed--the ,oedipus ,coloneus--and to have asked them whether they thought that the work of a man of weak intellect4 ,after the reading he was acquitted by the jury4 ,did old age then compel this man to become silent in his particular art1 or ,homer1 ,hesiod1 ,simonides1 or ,isocrates and ,gorgias whom ,i mentioned before1 or the founders of schools of philosophy1 ,pythagoras1 ,democritus1 ,plato1 ,xenocrates1 or later ,zeno and ,cleanthus1 or ,diogenes the ,stoic1 whom you too saw at ,rome8 ,is it not rather the case with all these that the active pursuit of study only ended with life8 ,but1 to pass over these sublime studies1 ,i can name some rustic ,romans from the ,sabine district1 neighbours and friends of my own1 without whose presence farm work of importance is scarcely ever performed--whether sowing1 or harvesting or storing crops4 ,and yet in other things this is less surprising2 for no one is so old as to think that he may not live a year4 ,but they bestow their labour on what they know does not affect them in any case3 ,he plants his trees to serve a race to come1 as our poet ,statius says in his ,comrades4 ,nor indeed would a farmer1 however old1 hesitate to answer any one who asked him for whom he was planting3 ,for the immortal gods1 whose will it was that ,i should not merely receive these things from my ancestors1 but should also hand them on to the next generation4 #h4 ,that remark about the old man is better than the following3 ,if age brought nothing worse than this1 ,it were enough to mar our bliss1 ,that he who bides for many years ,sees much to shun and much for tears4 ,yes1 and perhaps much that gives him pleasure too4 ,besides1 as to subjects for tears1 he often comes upon them in youth as well4 ,a still more questionable sentiment in the same ,caecilius is3 ,no greater misery can of age be told ,than this3 be sure1 the young dislike the old4 ,delight in them is nearer the mark than dislike4 ,for just as old men1 if they are wise1 take pleasure in the society of young men of good parts1 and as old age is rendered less dreary for those who are courted and liked by the youth1 so also do young men find pleasure in the maxims of the old1 by which they are drawn to the pursuit of excellence4 ,nor do ,i perceive that you find my society less pleasant than ,i do yours4 ,but this is enough to show you how1 so far from being listless and sluggish1 old age is even a busy time1 always doing and attempting something1 of course of the same nature as each man's taste had been in the previous part of his life4 ,nay1 do not some even add to their stock of learning8 ,we see ,solon1 for instance1 boasting in his poems that he grows old daily learning something new4 ,or again in my own case1 it was only when an old man that ,i became acquainted with ,greek literature1 which in fact ,i absorbed with such avidity--in my yearning to quench1 as it were1 a long-continued thirst--that ,i became acquainted with the very facts which you see me now using as precedents4 ,when ,i heard what ,socrates had done about the lyre ,i should have liked for my part to have done that too1 for the ancients used to learn the lyre but1 at any rate1 ,i worked hard at literature4 #i4 ,nor1 again1 do ,i now ,,miss ,,the ,,bodily ,,strength ,,of ,a ,,young ,,man 7for that was the second point as to the disadvantages of old age7 any more than as a young man ,i missed the strength of a bull or an elephant4 ,you should use what you have1 and whatever you may chance to be doing1 do it with all your might4 ,what could be weaker than ,milo of ,croton's exclamation8 ,when in his old age he was watching some athletes practising in the course1 he is said to have looked at his arms and to have exclaimed with tears in his eyes3 ,ah well6 these are now as good as dead4 ,not a bit more so than yourself1 you trifler6 ,for at no time were you made famous by your real self1 but by chest and biceps4 ,sext4 ,aelius never gave vent to such a remark1 nor1 many years before him1 ,titus ,coruncanius1 nor1 more recently1 ,p4 ,crassus--all of them learned juris-consults in active practice1 whose knowledge of their profession was maintained to their last breath4 ,i am afraid an orator does lose vigour by old age1 for his art is not a matter of the intellect alone1 but of lungs and bodily strength4 ,though as a rule that musical ring in the voice even gains in brilliance in a certain way as one grows old--certainly ,i have not yet lost it1 and you see my years4 ,yet after all the style of speech suitable to an old man is the quiet and unemotional1 and it often happens that the chastened and calm delivery of an old man eloquent secures a hearing4 ,if you cannot attain to that yourself1 you might still instruct a ,scipio and a ,laelius4 ,for what is more charming than old age surrounded by the enthusiasm of youth8 ,shall we not allow old age even the strength to teach the young1 to train and equip them for all the duties of life8 ,and what can be a nobler employment8 ,for my part1 ,i used to think ,publius and ,gnaeus ,scipio and your two grandfathers1 ,l4 ,aemilius and ,p4 ,africanus1 fortunate men when ,i saw them with a company of young nobles about them4 ,nor should we think any teachers of the fine arts otherwise than happy1 however much their bodily forces may have decayed and failed4 ,and yet that same failure of the bodily forces is more often brought about by the vices of youth than of old age2 for a dissolute and intemperate youth hands down the body to old age in a worn-out state4 ,xenophon's ,cyrus1 for instance1 in his discourse delivered on his death-bed and at a very advanced age1 says that he never perceived his old age to have become weaker than his youth had been4 ,i remember as a boy ,lucius ,metellus1 who having been created ,pontifex ,maximus four years after his second consulship1 held that office twenty-two years1 enjoying such excellent strength of body in the very last hours of his life as not to miss his youth4 ,i need not speak of myself2 though that indeed is an old man's way and is generally allowed to my time of life4 ,don't you see in ,homer how frequently ,nestor talks of his own good qualities8 ,for he was living through a third generation2 nor had he any reason to fear that upon saying what was true about himself he should appear either over vain or talkative4 ,for1 as ,homer says1 from his lips flowed discourse sweeter than honey1 for which sweet breath he wanted no bodily strength4 ,and yet1 after all1 the famous leader of the ,greeks nowhere wishes to have ten men like ,ajax1 but like ,nestor3 if he could get them1 he feels no doubt of ,troy shortly falling4 #aj4 ,but to return to my own case3 ,i am in my eighty-fourth year4 ,i could wish that ,i had been able to make the same boast as ,cyrus2 but1 after all1 ,i can say this3 ,i am not indeed as vigorous as ,i was as a private soldier in the ,punic war1 or as quaestor in the same war1 or as consul in ,spain1 and four years later when as a military tribune ,i took part in the engagement at ,thermopylae under the consul ,manius ,acilius ,glabrio2 but yet1 as you see1 old age has not entirely destroyed my muscles1 has not quite brought me to the ground4 ,the ,senate-house does not find all my vigour gone1 nor the rostra1 nor my friends1 nor my clients1 nor my foreign guests4 ,for ,i have never given in to that ancient and much-praised proverb3 ,old when young ,is old for long4 ,for myself1 ,i had rather be an old man a somewhat shorter time than an old man before my time4 ,accordingly1 no one up to the present has wished to see me1 to whom ,i have been denied as engaged4 ,but1 it may be said1 ,i have less strength than either of you4 ,neither have you the strength of the centurion ,t4 ,pontius3 is he the more eminent man on that account8 ,let there be only a proper husbanding of strength1 and let each man proportion his efforts to his powers4 ,such an one will assuredly not be possessed with any great regret for his loss of strength4 ,at ,olympia ,milo is said to have stepped into the course carrying a live ox on his shoulders4 ,which then of the two would you prefer to have given to you--bodily strength like that1 or intellectual strength like that of ,pythagoras8 ,in fine1 enjoy that blessing when you have it2 when it is gone1 don't wish it back--unless we are to think that young men should wish their childhood back1 and those somewhat older their youth6 ,the course of life is fixed1 and nature admits of its being run but in one way1 and only once2 and to each part of our life there is something specially seasonable2 so that the feebleness of children1 as well as the high spirit of youth1 the soberness of maturer years1 and the ripe wisdom of old age--all have a certain natural advantage which should be secured in its proper season4 ,i think you are informed1 ,scipio1 what your grandfather's foreign friend ,masinissa does to this day1 though ninety years old4 ,when he has once begun a journey on foot he does not mount his horse at all2 when on horseback he never gets off his horse4 ,by no rain or cold can he be induced to cover his head4 ,his body is absolutely free from unhealthy humours1 and so he still performs all the duties and functions of a king4 ,active exercise1 therefore1 and temperance can preserve some part of one's former strength even in old age4 #aa4 ,bodily strength is wanting to old age2 but neither is bodily strength demanded from old men4 ,therefore1 both by law and custom1 men of my time of life are exempt from those duties which cannot be supported without bodily strength4 ,accordingly not only are we not forced to do what we cannot do2 we are not even obliged to do as much as we can4 ,but1 it will be said1 many old men are so feeble that they cannot perform any duty in life of any sort or kind4 ,that is not a weakness to be set down as peculiar to old age3 it is one shared by ill health4 ,how feeble was the son of ,p4 ,africanus1 who adopted you6 ,what weak health he had1 or rather no health at all6 ,if that had not been the case1 we should have had in him a second brilliant light in the political horizon2 for he had added a wider cultivation to his father's greatness of spirit4 ,what wonder1 then1 that old men are eventually feeble1 when even young men cannot escape it8 ,my dear ,laelius and ,scipio1 we must stand up against old age and make up for its drawbacks by taking pains4 ,we must fight it as we should an illness4 ,we must look after our health1 use moderate exercise1 take just enough food and drink to recruit1 but not to overload1 our strength4 ,nor is it the body alone that must be supported1 but the intellect and soul much more4 ,for they are like lamps3 unless you feed them with oil1 they too go out from old age4 ,again1 the body is apt to get gross from exercise2 but the intellect becomes nimbler by exercising itself4 ,for what ,caecilius means by old dotards of the comic stage are the credulous1 the forgetful1 and the slipshod4 ,these are faults that do not attach to old age as such1 but to a sluggish1 spiritless1 and sleepy old age4 ,young men are more frequently wanton and dissolute than old men2 but yet1 as it is not all young men that are so1 but the bad set among them1 even so senile folly--usually called imbecility--applies to old men of unsound character1 not to all4 ,appius governed four sturdy sons1 five daughters1 that great establishment1 and all those clients1 though he was both old and blind4 ,for he kept his mind at full stretch like a bow1 and never gave in to old age by growing slack4 ,he maintained not merely an influence1 but an absolute command over his family3 his slaves feared him1 his sons were in awe of him1 all loved him4 ,in that family1 indeed1 ancestral custom and discipline were in full vigour4 ,the fact is that old age is respectable just as long as it asserts itself1 maintains its proper rights1 and is not enslaved to any one4 ,for as ,i admire a young man who has something of the old man in him1 so do ,i an old one who has something of a young man4 ,the man who aims at this may possibly become old in body--in mind he never will4 ,i am now engaged in composing the seventh book of my ,origins4 ,i collect all the records of antiquity4 ,the speeches delivered in all the celebrated cases which ,i have defended ,i am at this particular time getting into shape for publication4 ,i am writing treatises on augural1 pontifical1 and civil law4 ,i am1 besides1 studying hard at ,greek1 and after the manner of the ,pythagoreans--to keep my memory in working order--,i repeat in the evening whatever ,i have said1 heard1 or done in the course of each day4 ,these are the exercises of the intellect1 these the training grounds of the mind3 while ,i sweat and labour on these ,i don't much feel the loss of bodily strength4 ,i appear in court for my friends2 ,i frequently attend the ,senate and bring motions before it on my own responsibility1 prepared after deep and long reflection4 ,and these ,i support by my intellectual1 not my bodily forces4 ,and if ,i were not strong enough to do these things1 yet ,i should enjoy my sofa--imagining the very operations which ,i was now unable to perform4 ,but what makes me capable of doing this is my past life4 ,for a man who is always living in the midst of these studies and labours does not perceive when old age creeps upon him4 ,thus1 by slow and imperceptible degrees life draws to its end4 ,there is no sudden breakage2 it just slowly goes out4 #ab4 ,the third charge against old age is that it ,,lacks ,,sensual ,,pleasures4 ,what a splendid service does old age render1 if it takes from us the greatest blot of youth6 ,listen1 my dear young friends1 to a speech of ,archytas of ,tarentum1 among the greatest and most illustrious of men1 which was put into my hands when as a young man ,i was at ,tarentum with ,q4 ,maximus4 ,no more deadly curse than sensual pleasure has been inflicted on mankind by nature1 to gratify which our wanton appetites are roused beyond all prudence or restraint4 ,it is a fruitful source of treasons1 revolutions1 secret communications with the enemy4 ,in fact1 there is no crime1 no evil deed1 to which the appetite for sensual pleasures does not impel us4 ,fornications and adulteries1 and every abomination of that kind1 are brought about by the enticements of pleasure and by them alone4 ,intellect is the best gift of nature or ,god3 to this divine gift and endowment there is nothing so inimical as pleasure4 ,for when appetite is our master1 there is no place for self-control2 nor where pleasure reigns supreme can virtue hold its ground4 ,to see this more vividly1 imagine a man excited to the highest conceivable pitch of sensual pleasure4 ,it can be doubtful to no one that such a person1 so long as he is under the influence of such excitation of the senses1 will be unable to use to any purpose either intellect1 reason1 or thought4 ,therefore nothing can be so execrable and so fatal as pleasure2 since1 when more than ordinarily violent and lasting1 it darkens all the light of the soul4 ,these were the words addressed by ,archytas to the ,samnite ,caius ,pontius1 father of the man by whom the consuls ,spurius ,postumius and ,titus ,veturius were beaten in the battle of ,caudium4 ,my friend ,nearchus of ,tarentum1 who had remained loyal to ,rome1 told me that he had heard them repeated by some old men2 and that ,plato the ,athenian was present1 who visited ,tarentum1 ,i find1 in the consulship of ,l4 ,camillus and ,appius ,claudius4 ,what is the point of all this8 ,it is to show you that1 if we were unable to scorn pleasure by the aid of reason and philosophy1 we ought to have been very grateful to old age for depriving us of all inclination for that which it was wrong to do4 ,for pleasure hinders thought1 is a foe to reason1 and1 so to speak1 blinds the eyes of the mind4 ,it is1 moreover1 entirely alien to virtue4 ,i was sorry to have to expel ,lucius1 brother of the gallant ,titus ,flamininus1 from the ,senate seven years after his consulship2 but ,i thought it imperative to affix a stigma on an act of gross sensuality4 ,for when he was in ,gaul as consul1 he had yielded to the entreaties of his paramour at a dinner-party to behead a man who happened to be in prison condemned on a capital charge4 ,when his brother ,titus was ,censor1 who preceded me1 he escaped2 but ,i and ,flaccus could not countenance an act of such criminal and abandoned lust1 especially as1 besides the personal dishonour1 it brought disgrace on the ,government4 #ac4 ,i have often been told by men older than myself1 who said that they had heard it as boys from old men1 that ,gaius ,fabricius was in the habit of expressing astonishment at having heard1 when envoy at the headquarters of king ,pyrrhus1 from the ,thessalian ,cineas1 that there was a man of ,athens who professed to be a philosopher1 and affirmed that everything we did was to be referred to pleasure4 ,when he told this to ,manius ,curius and ,publius ,decius1 they used to remark that they wished that the ,samnites and ,pyrrhus himself would hold the same opinion4 ,it would be much easier to conquer them1 if they had once given themselves over to sensual indulgences4 ,manius ,curius had been intimate with ,p4 ,decius1 who four years before the former's consulship had devoted himself to death for the ,republic4 ,both ,fabricius and ,coruncanius knew him also1 and from the experience of their own lives1 as well as from the action of ,p4 ,decius1 they were of opinion that there did exist something intrinsically noble and great1 which was sought for its own sake1 and at which all the best men aimed1 to the contempt and neglect of pleasure4 ,why then do ,i spend so many words on the subject of pleasure8 ,why1 because1 far from being a charge against old age1 that it does not much feel the want of any pleasures1 it is its highest praise4 ,but1 you will say1 it is deprived of the pleasures of the table1 the heaped up board1 the rapid passing of the wine-cup4 ,well1 then1 it is also free from headache1 disordered digestion1 broken sleep4 ,but if we must grant pleasure something1 since we do not find it easy to resist its charms1--for ,plato1 with happy inspiration1 calls pleasure vice's bait1 because of course men are caught by it as fish by a hook1--yet1 although old age has to abstain from extravagant banquets1 it is still capable of enjoying modest festivities4 ,as a boy ,i often used to see ,gaius ,duilius the son of ,marcus1 then an old man1 returning from a dinner-party4 ,he thoroughly enjoyed the frequent use of torch and flute-player1 distinctions which he had assumed though unprecedented in the case of a private person4 ,it was the privilege of his glory4 ,but why mention others8 ,i will come back to my own case4 ,to begin with1 ,i have always remained a member of a club--clubs1 you know1 were established in my quaestorship on the reception of the ,magna ,mater from ,ida4 ,so ,i used to dine at their feast with the members of my club--on the whole with moderation1 though there was a certain warmth of temperament natural to my time of life2 but as that advances there is a daily decrease of all excitement4 ,nor was ,i1 in fact1 ever wont to measure my enjoyment even of these banquets by the physical pleasures they gave more than by the gathering and conversation of friends4 ,for it was a good idea of our ancestors to style the presence of guests at a dinner-table--seeing that it implied a community of enjoyment--a convivium1 a living together4 ,it is a better term than the ,greek words which mean a drinking together1 or1 an eating together4 ,for they would seem to give the preference to what is really the least important part of it4 #ad4 ,for myself1 owing to the pleasure ,i take in conversation1 ,i enjoy even banquets that begin early in the afternoon1 and not only in company with my contemporaries--of whom very few survive--but also with men of your age and with yourselves4 ,i am thankful to old age1 which has increased my avidity for conversation1 while it has removed that for eating and drinking4 ,but if anyone does enjoy these--not to seem to have proclaimed war against all pleasure without exception1 which is perhaps a feeling inspired by nature--,i fail to perceive even in these very pleasures that old age is entirely without the power of appreciation4 ,for myself1 ,i take delight even in the old-fashioned appointment of master of the feast2 and in the arrangement of the conversation1 which according to ancestral custom is begun from the last place on the left-hand couch when the wine is brought in2 as also in the cups which1 as in ,xenophon's banquet1 are small and filled by driblets2 and in the contrivance for cooling in summer1 and for warming by the winter sun or winter fire4 ,these things ,i keep up even among my ,sabine countrymen1 and every day have a full dinner-party of neighbours1 which we prolong as far into the night as we can with varied conversation4 ,but you may urge--there is not the same tingling sensation of pleasure in old men4 ,no doubt2 but neither do they miss it so much4 ,for nothing gives you uneasiness which you do not miss4 ,that was a fine answer of ,sophocles to a man who asked him1 when in extreme old age1 whether he was still a lover4 ,heaven forbid6 he replied2 ,i was only too glad to escape from that1 as though from a boorish and insane master4 ,to men indeed who are keen after such things it may possibly appear disagreeable and uncomfortable to be without them2 but to jaded appetites it is pleasanter to lack than to enjoy4 ,however1 he cannot be said to lack who does not want3 my contention is that not to want is the pleasanter thing4 ,but even granting that youth enjoys these pleasures with more zest2 in the first place1 they are insignificant things to enjoy1 as ,i have said2 and in the second place1 such as age is not entirely without1 if it does not possess them in profusion4 ,just as a man gets greater pleasure from ,ambivius ,turpio if seated in the front row at the theatre than if he was in the last1 yet1 after all1 the man in the last row does get pleasure2 so youth1 because it looks at pleasures at closer quarters1 perhaps enjoys itself more1 yet even old age1 looking at them from a distance1 does enjoy itself well enough4 ,why1 what blessings are these--that the soul1 having served its time1 so to speak1 in the campaigns of desire and ambition1 rivalry and hatred1 and all the passions1 should live in its own thoughts1 and1 as the expression goes1 should dwell apart6 ,indeed1 if it has in store any of what ,i may call the food of study and philosophy1 nothing can be pleasanter than an old age of leisure4 ,we were witnesses to ,c4 ,gallus--a friend of your father's1 ,scipio--intent to the day of his death on mapping out the sky and land4 ,how often did the light surprise him while still working out a problem begun during the night6 ,how often did night find him busy on what he had begun at dawn6 ,how he delighted in predicting for us solar and lunar eclipses long before they occurred6 ,or again in studies of a lighter nature1 though still requiring keenness of intellect1 what pleasure ,naevius took in his ,punic ,war6 ,plautus in his ,truculentus and ,pseudolus6 ,i even saw ,livius ,andronicus1 who1 having produced a play six years before ,i was born--in the consulship of ,cento and ,tuditanus--lived till ,i had become a young man4 ,why speak of ,publius ,licinius ,crassus's devotion to pontifical and civil law1 or of the ,publius ,scipio of the present time1 who within these last few days has been created ,pontifex ,maximus8 ,and yet ,i have seen all whom ,i have mentioned ardent in these pursuits when old men4 ,then there is ,marcus ,cethegus1 whom ,ennius justly called ,persuasion's ,marrow--with what enthusiasm did we see him exert himself in oratory even when quite old6 ,what pleasures are there in feasts1 games1 or mistresses comparable to pleasures such as these8 ,and they are all tastes1 too1 connected with learning1 which in men of sense and good education grow with their growth4 ,it is indeed an honourable sentiment which ,solon expresses in a verse which ,i have quoted before--that he grew old learning many a fresh lesson every day4 ,than that intellectual pleasure none certainly can be greater4 #ae4 ,i come now to the pleasures of the farmer1 in which ,i take amazing delight4 ,these are not hindered by any extent of old age1 and seem to me to approach nearest to the ideal wise man's life4 ,for he has to deal with the earth1 which never refuses its obedience1 nor ever returns what it has received without usury2 sometimes1 indeed1 with less1 but generally with greater interest4 ,for my part1 however1 it is not merely the thing produced1 but the earth's own force and natural productiveness that delight me4 ,for received in its bosom the seed scattered broadcast upon it1 softened and broken up1 she first keeps it concealed therein 7hence the harrowing which accomplishes this gets its name from a word meaning to hide72 next1 when it has been warmed by her heat and close pressure1 she splits it open and draws from it the greenery of the blade4 ,this1 supported by the fibres of the root1 little by little grows up1 and held upright by its jointed stalk is enclosed in sheaths1 as being still immature4 ,when it has emerged from them it produces an ear of corn arranged in order1 and is defended against the pecking of the smaller birds by a regular palisade of spikes4 ,need ,i mention the starting1 planting1 and growth of vines8 ,i can never have too much of this pleasure--to let you into the secret of what gives my old age repose and amusement4 ,for ,i say nothing here of the natural force which all things propagated from the earth possess--the earth which from that tiny grain in a fig1 or the grape-stone in a grape1 or the most minute seeds of the other cereals and plants1 produces such huge trunks and boughs4 ,mallet-shoots1 slips1 cuttings1 quicksets1 layers--are they not enough to fill anyone with delight and astonishment8 ,the vine by nature is apt to fall1 and unless supported drops down to the earth2 yet in order to keep itself upright it embraces whatever it reaches with its tendrils as though they were hands4 ,then as it creeps on1 spreading itself in intricate and wild profusion1 the dresser's art prunes it with the knife and prevents it growing a forest of shoots and expanding to excess in every direction4 ,accordingly at the beginning of spring in the shoots which have been left there protrudes at each of the joints what is termed an eye4 ,from this the grape emerges and shows itself2 which1 swollen by the juice of the earth and the heat of the sun1 is at first very bitter to the taste1 but afterwards grows sweet as it matures2 and being covered with tendrils is never without a moderate warmth1 and yet is able to ward off the fiery heat of the sun4 ,can anything be richer in product or more beautiful to contemplate8 ,it is not its utility only1 as ,i said before1 that charms me1 but the method of its cultivation and the natural process of its growth3 the rows of uprights1 the cross-pieces for the tops of the plants1 the tying up of the vines and their propagation by layers1 the pruning1 to which ,i have already referred1 of some shoots1 the setting of others4 ,i need hardly mention irrigation1 or trenching and digging the soil1 which much increase its fertility4 ,as to the advantages of manuring ,i have spoken in my book on agriculture4 ,the learned ,hesiod did not say a single word on this subject1 though he was writing on the cultivation of the soil2 yet ,homer1 who in my opinion was many generations earlier1 represents ,laertes as softening his regret for his son by cultivating and manuring his farm4 ,nor is it only in cornfields and meadows and vineyards and plantations that a farmer's life is made cheerful4 ,there are the garden and the orchard1 the feeding of sheep1 the swarms of bees1 endless varieties of flowers4 ,nor is it only planting out that charms3 there is also grafting--surely the most ingenious invention ever made by husbandmen4 #af4 ,i might continue my list of the delights of country life2 but even what ,i have said ,i think is somewhat over long4 ,however1 you must pardon me2 for farming is a very favourite hobby of mine1 and old age is naturally rather garrulous--for ,i would not be thought to acquit it of all faults4 ,well1 it was in a life of this sort that ,manius ,curius1 after celebrating triumphs over the ,samnites1 the ,sabines1 and ,pyrrhus1 spent his last days4 ,when ,i look at his villa--for it is not far from my own--,i never can enough admire the man's own frugality or the spirit of the age4 ,as ,curius was sitting at his hearth the ,samnites1 who brought him a large sum of gold1 were repulsed by him2 for it was not1 he said1 a fine thing in his eyes to possess gold1 but to rule those who possessed it4 ,could such a high spirit fail to make old age pleasant8 ,but to return to farmers--not to wander from my own metier4 ,in those days there were senators1 i4 e4 old men1 on their farms4 ,for ,l4 ,quinctius ,cincinnatus was actually at the plough when word was brought him that he had been named ,dictator4 ,it was by his order as ,dictator1 by the way1 that ,c4 ,servilius ,ahala1 the ,master of the ,horse1 seized and put to death ,spurius ,maelius when attempting to obtain royal power4 ,curius as well as other old men used to receive their summonses to attend the ,senate in their farm-houses1 from which circumstance the summoners were called viatores or travellers4 ,was these men's old age an object of pity who found their pleasure in the cultivation of the land8 ,in my opinion1 scarcely any life can be more blessed1 not alone from its utility 7for agriculture is beneficial to the whole human race71 but also as much from the mere pleasure of the thing1 to which ,i have already alluded1 and from the rich abundance and supply of all things necessary for the food of man and for the worship of the gods above4 ,so1 as these are objects of desire to certain people1 let us make our peace with pleasure4 ,for the good and hard-working farmer's wine-cellar and oil-store1 as well as his larder1 are always well filled1 and his whole farm-house is richly furnished4 ,it abounds in pigs1 goats1 lambs1 fowls1 milk1 cheese1 and honey4 ,then there is the garden1 which the farmers themselves call their second flitch4 ,a zest and flavour is added to all these by hunting and fowling in spare hours4 ,need ,i mention the greenery of meadows1 the rows of trees1 the beauty of vineyard and olive-grove8 ,i will put it briefly3 nothing can either furnish necessaries more richly1 or present a fairer spectacle1 than well-cultivated land4 ,and to the enjoyment of that1 old age does not merely present no hindrance--it actually invites and allures to it4 ,for where else can it better warm itself1 either by basking in the sun or by sitting by the fire1 or at the proper time cool itself more wholesomely by the help of shade or water8 ,let the young keep their arms then to themselves1 their horses1 spears1 their foils and ball1 their swimming baths and running path4 ,to us old men let them1 out of the many forms of sport1 leave dice and counters2 but even that as they choose1 since old age can be quite happy without them4 #ag4 ,xenophon's books are very useful for many purposes4 ,pray go on reading them with attention1 as you have ever done4 ,in what ample terms is agriculture lauded by him in the book about husbanding one's property1 which is called ,oceonomicus6 ,but to show you that he thought nothing so worthy of a prince as the taste for cultivating the soil1 ,i will translate what ,socrates says to ,critobulus in that book3 ,when that most gallant ,lacedaemonian ,lysander came to visit the ,persian prince ,cyrus at ,sardis1 so eminent for his character and the glory of his rule1 bringing him presents from his allies1 he treated ,lysander in all ways with courteous familiarity and kindness1 and1 among other things1 took him to see a certain park carefully planted4 ,lysander expressed admiration of the height of the trees and the exact arrangement of their rows in the quincunx1 the careful cultivation of the soil1 its freedom from weeds1 and the sweetness of the odours exhaled from the flowers1 and went on to say that what he admired was not the industry only1 but also the skill of the man by whom this had been planned and laid out4 ,cyrus replied3 ',well1 it was ,i who planned the whole thing these rows are my doing1 the laying out is all mine2 many of the trees were even planted by own hand4' ,then ,lysander1 looking at his purple robe1 the brilliance of his person1 and his adornment ,persian fashion with gold and many jewels1 said3 ',people are quite right1 ,cyrus1 to call you happy1 since the advantages of high fortune have been joined to an excellence like yours4' ,this kind of good fortune1 then1 it is in the power of old men to enjoy2 nor is age any bar to our maintaining pursuits of every other kind1 and especially of agriculture1 to the very extreme verge of old age4 ,for instance1 we have it on record that ,m4 ,valerius ,corvus kept it up to his hundredth year1 living on his land and cultivating it after his active career was over1 though between his first and sixth consulships there was an interval of six and forty years4 ,so that he had an official career lasting the number of years which our ancestors defined as coming between birth and the beginning of old age4 ,moreover1 that last period of his old age was more blessed than that of his middle life1 inasmuch as he had greater influence and less labour4 ,for the crowning grace of old age is influence4 ,how great was that of ,l4 ,caecilius ,metellus6 ,how great that of ,atilius ,calatinus1 over whom the famous epitaph was placed1 ,very many classes agree in deeming this to have been the very first man of the nation6 ,the line cut on his tomb is well known4 ,it is natural1 then1 that a man should have had influence1 in whose praise the verdict of history is unanimous4 ,again1 in recent times1 what a great man was ,publius ,crassus1 ,pontifex ,maximus1 and his successor in the same office1 ,m4 ,lepidus6 ,i need scarcely mention ,paulus or ,africanus1 or1 as ,i did before1 ,maximus4 ,it was not only their senatorial utterances that had weight3 their least gesture had it also4 ,in fact1 old age1 especially when it has enjoyed honours1 has an influence worth all the pleasures of youth put together4 #ah4 ,but throughout my discourse remember that my panegyric applies to an old age that has been established on foundations laid by youth4 ,from which may be deduced what ,i once said with universal applause1 that it was a wretched old age that had to defend itself by speech4 ,neither white hairs nor wrinkles can at once claim influence in themselves3 it is the honourable conduct of earlier days that is rewarded by possessing influence at the last4 ,even things generally regarded as trifling and matters of course--being saluted1 being courted1 having way made for one1 people rising when one approaches1 being escorted to and from the forum1 being referred to for advice--all these are marks of respect1 observed among us and in other ,states--always most sedulously where the moral tone is highest4 ,they say that ,lysander the ,spartan1 whom ,i have mentioned before1 used to remark that ,sparta was the most dignified home for old age2 for that nowhere was more respect paid to years1 no-where was old age held in higher honour4 ,nay1 the story is told of how when a man of advanced years came into the theatre at ,athens when the games were going on1 no place was given him anywhere in that large assembly by his own countrymen2 but when he came near the ,lacedaemonians1 who as ambassadors had a fixed place assigned to them1 they rose as one man out of respect for him1 and gave the veteran a seat4 ,when they were greeted with rounds of applause from the whole audience1 one of them remarked3 ,the ,athenians know what is right1 but will not do it4 ,there are many excellent rules in our augural college1 but among the best is one which affects our subject--that precedence in speech goes by seniority2 and augurs who are older are preferred only to those who have held higher office1 but even to those who are actually in possession of imperium4 ,what then are the physical pleasures to be compared with the reward of influence8 ,those who have employed it with distinction appear to me to have played the drama of life to its end1 and not to have broken down in the last act like unpractised players4 ,but1 it will be said1 old men are fretful1 fidgety1 ill-tempered1 and disagreeable4 ,if you come to that1 they are also avaricious4 ,but these are faults of character1 not of the time of life4 ,and1 after all1 fretfulness and the other faults ,i mentioned admit of some excuse--not1 indeed1 a complete one1 but one that may possibly pass muster3 they think themselves neglected1 looked down upon1 mocked1 ,besides with bodily weakness every rub is a source of pain4 ,yet all these faults are softened both by good character and good education4 ,illustrations of this may be found in real life1 as also on the stage in the case of the brothers in the ,adeiphi4 ,what harshness in the one1 what gracious manners in the other ,the fact is that1 just as it is not every wine1 so it is not every life1 that turns sour from keeping1 ,serious gravity ,i approve of in old age1 but1 as in other things1 it must be within due limits3 bitterness ,i can in no case approve4 ,what the object of senile avarice may be ,i cannot conceive4 ,for can there be anything more absurd than to seek more journey money1 the less there remains of the journey8 #ai4 ,there remains the fourth reason1 which more than anything else appears to torment men of my age and keep them in a flutter--,,the ,,nearness ,,of ,,death1 which1 it must be allowed1 cannot be far from an old man4 ,but what a poor dotard must he be who has not learnt in the course of so long a life that death is not a thing to be feared8 ,death1 that is either to be totally disregarded1 if it entirely extinguishes the soul1 or is even to be desired1 if it brings him where he is to exist forever4 ,a third alternative1 at any rate1 cannot possibly be discovered4 ,why then should ,i be afraid if ,i am destined either not to be miserable after death or even to be happy8 ,after all1 who is such a fool as to feel certain--however young he may be--that he will be alive in the evening8 ,nay1 that time of life has many more chances of death than ours1 ,young men more easily contract diseases2 their illnesses are more serious2 their treatment has to be more severe4 ,accordingly1 only a few arrive at old age4 ,if that were not so1 life would be conducted better and more wisely2 for it is in old men that thought1 reason1 and prudence are to be found2 and if there had been no old men1 ,states would never have existed at all4 ,but ,i return to the subject of the imminence of death4 ,what sort of charge is this against old age1 when you see that it is shared by youth8 ,i had reason in the case of my excellent son--as you had1 ,scipio1 in that of your brothers1 who were expected to attain the highest honours--to realise that death is common to every time of life4 ,yes1 you will say2 but a young man expects to live long2 an old man cannot expect to do so4 ,well1 he is a fool to expect it4 ,for what can be more foolish than to regard the uncertain as certain1 the false as true8 ,an old man has nothing even to hope4 ,ah1 but it is just there that he is in a better position than a young man1 since what the latter only hopes he has obtained4 ,the one wishes to live long2 the other has lived long4 ,and yet1 good heaven6 what is long in a man's life8 ,for grant the utmost limit3 let us expect an age like that of the ,king of the ,tartessi4 ,for there was1 as ,i find recorded1 a certain ,agathonius at ,gades who reigned eighty years and lived a hundred and twenty4 ,but to my mind nothing seems even long in which there is any last1 for when that arrives1 then all the past has slipped away--only that remains to which you have attained by virtue and righteous actions4 ,hours indeed1 and days and months and years depart1 nor does past time ever return1 nor can the future be known4 ,whatever time each is granted for life1 with that he is bound to be content4 ,an actor1 in order to earn approval1 is not bound to perform the play from beginning to end2 let him only satisfy the audience in whatever act he appears4 ,nor need a wise man go on to the concluding plaudite4 ,for a short term of life is long enough for living well and honourably4 ,but if you go farther1 you have no more right to grumble than farmers do because the charm of the spring season is past and the summer and autumn have come4 ,for the word spring in a way suggests youth1 and points to the harvest to be3 the other seasons are suited for the reaping and storing of the crops4 ,now the harvest of old age is1 as ,i have often said1 the memory and rich store of blessings laid up in easier life4 ,again1 all things that accord with nature are to be counted as good4 ,but what can be more in accordance with nature than for old men to die8 ,a thing1 indeed1 which also befalls young men1 though nature revolts and fights against it4 ,accordingly1 the death of young men seems to me like putting out a great fire with a deluge of water2 but old men die like a fire going out because it has burnt down of its own nature without artificial means4 ,again1 just as apples when unripe are torn from trees1 but when ripe and mellow drop down1 so it is violence that takes life from young men1 ripeness from old4 ,this ripeness is so delightful to me1 that1 as ,i approach nearer to death1 ,i seem as it were to be sighting land1 and to be coming to port at last after a long voyage4 #bj4 ,again1 there is no fixed borderline for old age1 and you are making a good and proper use of it as long as you can satisfy the call of duty and disregard death4 ,the result of this is1 that old age is even more confident and courageous than youth4 ,that is the meaning of ,solon's answer to the tyrant ,pisistratus4 ,when the latter asked him what he relied upon in opposing him with such boldness1 he is said to have replied1 ,on my old age4 ,but that end of life is the best1 when1 without the intellect or senses being impaired1 ,nature herself takes to pieces her own handiwork which she also put together4 ,just as the builder of a ship or a house can break them up more easily than any one else1 so the nature that knit together the human frame can also best unfasten it4 ,moreover1 a thing freshly glued together is always difficult to pull asunder2 if old1 this is easily done4 ,the result is that the short time of life left to them is not to be grasped at by old men with greedy eagerness1 or abandoned without cause4 ,pythagoras forbids us1 without an order from our commander1 that is ,god1 to desert life's fortress and outpost4 ,solon's epitaph1 indeed1 is that of a wise man1 in which he says that he does not wish his death to be unaccompanied by the sorrow and lamentations of his friends4 ,he wants1 ,i suppose1 to be beloved by them4 ,but ,i rather think ,ennius says better3 ,none grace me with their tears1 nor weeping loud ,make sad my funeral rites6 ,he holds that a death is not a subject for mourning when it is followed by immortality4 ,again1 there may possibly be some sensation of dying and that only for a short time1 especially in the case of an old man3 after death1 indeed1 sensation is either what one would desire1 or it disappears altogether4 ,but to disregard death is a lesson which must be studied from our youth up2 for unless that is learnt1 no one can have a quiet mind4 ,for die we certainly must1 and that too without being certain whether it may not be this very day4 ,as death1 therefore1 is hanging over our head every hour1 how can a man ever be unshaken in soul if he fears it8 ,but on this theme ,i don't think ,i need much enlarge3 when ,i remember what ,lucius ,brutus did1 who was killed while defending his country2 or the two ,decii1 who spurred their horses to a gallop and met a voluntary death2 or ,m4 ,atilius ,regulus1 who left his home to confront a death of torture1 rather than break the word which he had pledged to the enemy2 or the two ,scipios1 who determined to block the ,carthaginian advance even with their own bodies2 or your grandfather ,lucius ,paulus1 who paid with his life for the rashness of his colleague in the disgrace at ,cannae2 or ,m4 ,marcellus1 whose death not even the most bloodthirsty of enemies would allow to go without the honour of burial4 ,it is enough to recall that our legions 7as ,i have recorded in my ,origins7 have often marched with cheerful and lofty spirit to ground from which they believed that they would never return4 ,that1 therefore1 which young men--not only uninstructed1 but absolutely ignorant--treat as of no account1 shall men who are neither young nor ignorant shrink from in terror8 ,as a general truth1 as it seems to me1 it is weariness of all pursuits that creates weariness of life4 ,there are certain pursuits adapted to childhood3 do young men miss them8 ,there are others suited to early manhood3 does that settled time of life called middle age ask for them8 ,there are others1 again1 suited to that age1 but not looked for in old age4 ,there are1 finally1 some which belong to ,old age4 ,therefore1 as the pursuits of the earlier ages have their time for disappearing1 so also have those of old age4 ,and when that takes place1 a satiety of life brings on the ripe time for death4 #ba4 ,for ,i do not see why ,i should not venture to tell you my personal opinion as to death1 of which ,i seem to myself to have a clearer vision in proportion as ,i am nearer to it4 ,i believe1 ,scipio and ,laelius1 that your fathers--those illustrious men and my dearest friends--are still alive1 and that too with a life which alone deserves the name4 ,for as long as we are imprisoned in this framework of the body1 we perform a certain function and laborious work assigned us by fate4 ,the soul1 in fact1 is of heavenly origin1 forced down from its home in the highest1 and1 so to speak1 buried in earth1 a place quite opposed to its divine nature and its immortality4 ,but ,i suppose the immortal gods to have sown souls broadcast in human bodies1 that there might be some to survey the world1 and while contemplating the order of the heavenly bodies to imitate it in the unvarying regularity of their life4 ,nor is it only reason and arguments that have brought me to this belief1 but the great fame and authority of the most distinguished philosophers4 ,i used to be told that ,pythagoras and the ,pythagoreans--almost natives of our country1 who in old times had been called the ,italian school of philosophers--never doubted that we had souls drafted from the universal ,divine intelligence4 ,i used besides to have pointed out to me the discourse delivered by ,socrates on the last day of his life upon the immortality of the soul--,socrates who was pronounced by the oracle at ,delphi to be the wisest of men4 ,i need say no more4 ,i have convinced myself1 and ,i hold--in view of the rapid movement of the soul1 its vivid memory of the past and its prophetic knowledge of the future1 its many accomplishments1 its vast range of knowledge1 its numerous discoveries --that a nature embracing such varied gifts cannot itself be mortal4 ,and since the soul is always in motion and yet has no external source of motion1 for it is self-moved1 ,i conclude that it will also have no end to its motion1 because it is not likely ever to abandon itself4 ,again1 since the nature of the soul is not composite1 nor has in it any admixture that is not homogeneous and similar1 ,i conclude that it is indivisible1 and1 if indivisible1 that it cannot perish4 ,it is again a strong proof of men knowing most things before birth1 that when mere children they grasp innumerable facts with such speed as to show that they are not then taking them in for the first time1 but remembering and recalling them4 ,this is roughly ,plato's argument4 #bb4 ,once more in ,xenophon we have the elder ,cyrus on his deathbed speaking as follows3-- ,do not suppose1 my dearest sons1 that when ,i have left you ,i shall be nowhere and no one4 ,even when ,i was with you1 you did not see my soul1 but knew that it was in this body of mine from what ,i did4 ,believe then that it is still the same1 even though you see it not4 ,the honours paid to illustrious men had not continued to exist after their death1 had the souls of these very men not done something to make us retain our recollection of them beyond the ordinary time4 ,for myself1 ,i never could be persuaded that souls while in mortal bodies were alive1 and died directly they left them2 nor1 in fact1 that the soul only lost all intelligence when it left the unintelligent body4 ,i believe rather that when1 by being liberated from all corporeal admixture1 it has begun to be pure and undefiled1 it is then that it becomes wise4 ,and again1 when man's natural frame is resolved into its elements by death1 it is clearly seen whither each of the other elements departs3 for they all go to the place from which they came3 but the soul alone is invisible alike when present and when departing4 ,once more1 you see that nothing is so like death as sleep4 ,and yet it is in sleepers that souls most clearly reveal their divine nature2 for they foresee many events when they are allowed to escape and are left free4 ,this shows what they are likely to be when they have completely freed themselves from the fetters of the body4 ,wherefore1 if these things are so1 obey me as a god4 ,but if my soul is to perish with my body1 nevertheless do you from awe of the gods1 who guard and govern this fair universe1 preserve my memory by the loyalty and piety of your lives4 #bc4 ,such are the words of the dying ,cyrus4 ,i will now1 with your good leave1 look at home4 ,no one1 my dear ,scipio1 shall ever persuade me that your father ,paulus and your two grandfathers ,paulus and ,africanus1 or the father of ,africanus1 or his uncle1 or many other illustrious men not necessary to mention1 would have attempted such lofty deeds as to be remaindered by posterity1 had they not seen in their minds that future ages concerned them4 ,do you suppose--to take an old man's privilege of a little self-praise--that ,i should have been likely to undertake such heavy labours by day and night1 at home and abroad1 if ,i had been destined to have the same limit to my glory as to my life8 ,had it not been much better to pass an age of ease and repose without any labour or exertion8 ,but my soul1 ,i know not how1 refusing to be kept down1 ever fixed its eyes upon future ages1 as though from a conviction that it would begin to live only when it had left the body4 ,but had it not been the case that souls were immortal1 it would not have been the souls of all the best men that made the greatest efforts after an immortality of fame4 ,again1 is there not the fact that the wisest man ever dies with the greatest cheerfulness1 the most unwise with the least8 ,don't you think that the soul which has the clearer and longer sight sees that it is starting for better things1 while the soul whose vision is dimmer does not see it8 ,for my part1 ,i am transported with the desire to see your fathers1 who were the object of my reverence and affection4 ,nor is it only those whom ,i knew that ,i long to see2 it is those also of whom ,i have been told and have read1 whom ,i have myself recorded in my history4 ,when ,i am setting out for that1 there is certainly no one who will find it easy to draw me back1 or boil me up again like second ,pelios4 ,nay1 if some god should grant me to renew my childhood from my present age and once more to be crying in my cradle1 ,i would firmly refuse2 nor should ,i in truth be willing1 after having1 as it were1 run the full course1 to be recalled from the winning--crease to the barriers4 ,for what blessing has life to offer8 ,should we not rather say what labour8 ,but granting that it has1 at any rate it has after all a limit either to enjoyment or to existence4 ,i don't wish to depreciate life1 as many men and good philosophers have often done2 nor do ,i regret having lived1 for ,i have done so in a way that lets me think that ,i was not born in vain4 ,but ,i quit life as ,i would an inn1 not as ,i would a home4 ,for nature has given us a place of entertainment1 not of residence4 ,oh glorious day when ,i shall set out to join that heavenly conclave and company of souls1 and depart from the turmoil and impurities of this world6 ,for ,i shall not go to join only those whom ,i have before mentioned1 but also my son ,cato1 than whom no better man was ever born1 nor one more conspicuous for piety4 ,his body was burnt by me1 though mine ought1 on the contrary1 to have been burnt by him2 but his spirit1 not abandoning1 but ever looking back upon me1 has certainly gone whither he saw that ,i too must come4 ,i was thought to bear that loss heroically1 not that ,i really bore it without distress1 but ,i found my own consolation in the thought that the parting and separation between us was not to be for long4 ,it is by these means1 my dear ,scipio1--for you said that you and ,laelius were wont to express surprise on this point1--that my old age sits lightly on me1 and is not only not oppressive but even delightful4 ,but if ,i am wrong in thinking the human soul immortal1 ,i am glad to be wrong2 nor will ,i allow the mistake which gives me so much pleasure to be wrested from me as long as ,i live4 ,but if when dead1 as some insignificant philosophers think1 ,i am to be without sensation1 ,i am not afraid of dead philosophers deriding my errors4 ,again1 if we are not to be immortal1 it is nevertheless what a man must wish--to have his life end at its proper time4 ,for nature puts a limit to living as to everything else4 ,now1 old age is as it were the playing out of the drama1 the full fatigue of which we should shun1 especially when we also feel that we have had more than enough of it4 ,this is all ,i had to say on old age4 ,i pray that you may arrive at it1 that you may put my words to a practical test4