file was produced from images produced by the ,wright ,american ,fiction ,project47 ,,bertha ,,and ,,her ,,baptism4 ,by the ,author of ,,agnes ,,and ,,the ,,little ,,key2 or1 ,,bereaved ,,parents ,,instructed ,,and ,,comforted4 ,,boston3 ,s4,k4 ,,whipple ,,and ,,company1 #afa ,,washington ,,street4 #aheg4 ,entered according to ,act of ,congress1 in the year #aheg1 by ,s4,k4 ,,whipple ,,co41 ,in the ,clerk's ,office of the ,district ,court of the ,district of ,massachusetts4 ,,stereotyped ,,by ,,hobart ,,robbins1 ,new ,england ,type and ,stereotype ,foundry1 ,,boston4 ,,preface4 ,this book1 and that which is also named in the title-page1 were written at the same time1 and as one book2 but they were afterward separated1 as more properly constituting two volumes1 the part which was the original of the present volume now being greatly enlarged4 ,thus the two books grew in the author's mind together1 from one and the same root1--the death of a little child4 ,,contents4 ,page ,,chapter ,i4 ,,probabilities ,,of ,,an ,,ordinance ,,for ,,children1 #i ,,chapter ,,ii4 ,,the ,,grandfather',s ,,letter4--,,the ,,nature1 ,,grounds ,,and ,,influence1 ,,of ,,infant ,,baptism1 #af ,,chapter ,,iii4 ,,public ,,and ,,private ,,baptisms4--,,the ,,subjects ,,and ,,mode ,,of ,,baptism1 #gf ,,chapter ,,iv4 ,,is ,,there ,,only ,,one ,,mode ,,of ,,baptism8 #aba ,,chapter ,v4 ,,scenes ,,of ,,baptism4--,,reasonableness1 ,,beauty ,,and ,,power1 ,,of ,,infant ,,baptism4--,,use ,,of ,,special ,,vows4--,,husbands ,,at ,,baptisms4--,,neglect ,,of ,,baptism1 #acj ,,chapter ,,vi4 ,,testimony ,,of ,,the ,,christian ,,fathers4--,,apostolic ,,practice ,,of ,,infant ,,baptism4--,,ministerial ,,usages ,,in ,,baptisms1 #adc ,,chapter ,,vii4 ,,terms ,,of ,,communion4--,,non-,,intrusion4--,,deno minational ,,courtesy ,,and ,,kindness1 #ahd ,,chapter ,,viii4 ,,the ,,road-,,side ,,baptism1 #aih ,,chapter ,,ix4 ,,the ,,children ,,of ,,the ,,church4--,,are ,,they ,,members ,,of ,,the ,,church8 #baf ,,chapter ,x4 ,,maternal ,,associations4--,,constitution ,,and ,,rules ,,for ,,them4--,a ,,christian ,,mother',s ,,questions ,,to ,,herself1 #bee ,,chapter ,,xi4 ,,baptism ,,of ,,the ,,sick ,,wife ,,and ,,her ,,children1 #bgb ,,bertha ,,and ,,her ,,baptism4 ,chapter ,first4 ,,probabilities ,,of ,,an ,,ordinance ,,for ,,children4 ',tis aye a solemn thing to me ,to look upon a babe that sleeps1 ,wearing in its spirit-deeps ,the unrevealed mystery ,of its ,adam's taint and woe4--,,miss ,,barrett4 ,heaven lies about us in our infancy4--,,wordsworth4 ,it is generally believed that1 of those who have gone to heaven from this world1 by far the larger part have been infants and young children4 ,born here1 they were by one man's disobedience made sinners2 born of the ,spirit1 at their early translation to heaven1 they hold an important place in the plan of salvation by ,christ4 ,very beautiful1 as well as sublime1 is the thought of so large a contribution1 to the heavenly world1 of human beings in the dawn of their existence1 enhancing1 as we may suppose1 the happiness of heaven by such large admixture of exotic1 youthful nature1 and illustrating1 by their redemption from a helpless state of sin and misery1 the unsearchable riches of wisdom and grace4 ,has ,god done anything1 in this world1 to mark his regard for that class of the human race constituting1 thus far1 the greater part of the redeemed8 ,we naturally look for something reminding the world of his interest in these subsidiaries of his kingdom4 ,has he confined his notice to those that are full-grown1 and who have1 thus far1 the larger part of them1 withheld from him the fruit of his vineyard8 ,god has a church on earth1 with ordinances1 symbols1 covenant signs3 among them is there not some sign1 symbol1 or ordinance1 recognizing those who1 more than any other of the race1 have1 till now1 been swelling the numbers of that church in heaven8 ,like those elements of astronomical calculation which require and lead men to expect undiscovered planets in a certain quarter of the firmament1 analogy1 and the known intercourse of ,god with mankind1 and our moral sense1 incline us to look for some symbolic recognition of this earthly constituency of heaven by him who ordained and is redeeming to himself a church from among men4 ,words of interest and love toward them on the part of ,god1 we all know1 are not wanting in the ,bible4 ,acts of loving-kindness1 also1 proving the sincerity of those words1 and reaching even to a thousand generations of them that love ,god1 are everywhere seen in sacred history4 ,but is there no great1 conspicuous symbol of these things1--no type1 no rite8 ,symbols appear to be inseparable attendants of ,god's manifested favor to men4 ,he cannot enter into covenant with an individual1 much less a people1 but there is at least a stone set up1 or a threshing-floor is bought for him1 an altar is built1 or they pour out a horn of oil4 ,he invites ,ahaz to ask of him a sign of his promise3 ,ask it1 he says1 either in the depths1 or in the height above2 and1 when that man refuses1 ,god gives him a sign4 ,emblems1 seals and types1 in the early dispensation1 burst forth like images in the waters of everything along the banks1 and even of things far off4 ,everything has its memorial1 its rite2 are the children1 is the parental relation1 forgotten8 ,here let us consider that ,god began with the first parents and the first children of the human race to set forth that great law of his administration1 the connection of children with parents for good or evil4 ,every descendant of ,adam is an example under that law4 ,thus it was for nineteen generations1--from ,adam to ,abraham4 ,when1 therefore1 ,god restablished his church at the call of ,abraham1 it was no new thing to connect parents and their children in covenant promises and blessings4 ,it had its origin in the very nature of man4 ,abraham1 and the covenant made with him for all believers and their children1 are1 indeed1 a striking illustration of a principle recognized and applied by the ,most ,high2 but the principle itself is older than ,abraham1--it is coval with the moral constitution of man4 ,in making a covenant with ,noah1 ,god included his children2 so with ,david1 making mention of his house1 for a great while to come4 ,as soon1 therefore1 as religion was established in the earth1 by securing its perpetuity through the conservative influences of one selected line of descent1 the child was taken1 as being the object of the covenant1 and the means of its perpetuation1 and received its seal4 ,god designed to perpetuate religion in the earth1 thenceforward1 chiefly by means of the parental relation2 for the parent represents ,god to the child more than any other fellow-creature1 or thing1 can do1--more than any instituted influence1 whether of prophet1 priest1 church1 or ritual4 ,setting up his church for all future time1 with ,abraham for its founder1 ,god included children with parents who covenanted with him1 as the objects of special regard and promise1 and he appointed a rite to mark and seal that covenant4 ,thus it was from ,abraham to ,christ1 during three times fourteen generations4 ,but the day of types and symbols was succeeded by another era1 in which the church of ,god comes forth with the glory of ,god risen upon her1 and all the nebulous matter of types and ceremonies is gathered together into two permanent sacraments2 for human nature was not beyond the need and help of outward signs4 ,now1 in the earlier of the two ages of the church1 the child was recognized by a rite of the church2 the child1 with that rite inscribed on him1 was the sign-bearer of the church's perpetuity4 ,yet1 in the age following1 the child was as dear to the parent as ever2 the ,christian parent was as much concerned to have religion flow through his seed1 as were his predecessors2 the salvation of the child was regarded with the same solicitude1 and the principle of perpetuating religion by the family constitution was still the same4 ,but did ,god withdraw from the children of his servants1 from the most hopeful of all the sources of his church's increase on earth and in heaven1 all token of his regard in any sacramental act8 ,is parental affection1 under the reign of ,immanuel1 debarred the enjoyment of one of its most valuable privileges1 the sealing of the child to be the ,lord's by the use of a divinely-appointed symbol8 ,had no ordinances and symbols been allowed after the institution of ,christianity1 this question would not arise2 the inference would have been that human nature1 under the ,gospel1 will no more need the aid of rites in religion4 ,but there are ,christian rites1 expressly and solemnly instituted4 ,is not that most important relation of a believer's child to ,god perpetuated2 and is it not still to be sealed by the use of one of the ,christian ordinances8 ,in considering this question1 and the many interesting topics connected with it1 the writer will be allowed to take his own way1 following an historical order in the occurrences which may be supposed to have made the subject interesting and clear to the minds of two parents4 ,chapter ,second4 ,,the ,,grandfather',s ,,letter4 ,,the ,,nature1 ,,grounds1 ,,and ,,influence1 ,,of ,,infant ,,baptism4 ,if temporal estates may be conveyed ,by cov'nants1 on condition1 ,to men1 and to their heirs2 be not affraid1 ,my soule1 to rest upon ,the covenant of grace by mercy made4 ,,george ,,herbert1--,the ,font4 --,no finite mind can fully comprehend the mysteries into which his baptism is the initiation4--,,coleridge1--,aids1 c4 ,christian faith is the perfection of human reason4--,,ibid4 ,,my ,,dear ,,daughter ,,bertha3--,i am glad that you think of taking your little namesake to the house of ,god for baptism4 ,you wish to know my views about it in full4 ,my new colleague having relieved me of many cares and labors1 ,i shall hope to write more frequently2 but not often so long a letter as ,i fear this will be2 for ,i wish to tell you of some conversations which ,i have had on the subject in question4 ,this will show you the common difficulties1 in which1 perhaps1 you share1 and my way of removing them2 and also set before you the privileges and blessings connected with the baptism of your child4 ,a man and his wife--sensible1 plain people--came to our house one evening last ,july1 when the vines with the tender grape gave a goodly smell1 through that trellis which you and ,percival have such pleasant reason to remember4 ,we were all sitting there in the moonlight1 when this ,mr4 ,benson and his wife came up the door-way1 and were welcomed into our little group4 ,after a few words of mutual inquiry and answer1 he said3 ,wife and ,i1 sir1 thought that we would make bold to come and trouble you a little to tell us about baptizing our boy4 ,he is getting to be four months old1 and we are not willing to put it off much longer4 ,still1 we would like to know the grounds of it a little better4 ,people1 you know1 do not think much about it till it comes to be a case in hand4 ,but ,i do not know1 said he1 looking round on your mother and the children1 but that we do wrong to take this time for it4 ,it will be rather a dry subject for these young friends to hear4 ,pastor4 ,not at all4 ,they owe too much to what was done for them when they were little children1 to dislike it4 ,besides1 there is nothing dry about it1 as ,i view the subject4 ,it is one of the most beautiful things in religion4 ,mrs4 ,benson4 ,it is next to the ,lord's ,supper1 ,i always thought1 if people take the right view of it4 ,pastor4 ,it makes you love ,god the ,father in some such way as the ,lord's ,supper makes you love the ,saviour4 ,i think1 sometimes1 that the baptism of children is our heavenly ,father's ,sacrament4 ,mr4 ,b4 ,i like that2 but there is so much to study and learn about the ,abrahamic covenant1 that ,i feel a little discouraged4 ,i have had books lent me on the ,abrahamic covenant1 and ,i began to read them2 but they looked hard2 so ,i told my wife that perhaps you would make the thing more clear1 and bring it home to our feelings1 and that we would come and get your ideas about it4 ,pastor4 ,how glad ,i am that you came6 ,but tell me what you take the ,abrahamic covenant to mean4 ,mr4 ,b4 ,i suppose it means that ,god told ,abraham to circumcise his children1 and infant baptism comes in the place of it1 and we must do it if we are ,abraham's spiritual children4 ,but ,i wish to see the use of it4 ,i am willing to do it1 but ,i should like to feel it more2 and ,i want to know how baptism comes in the place of circumcision1 and a great many other things4 ,pastor4 ,i think that you may possibly have what may be called some ,jewish notions about the ,abrahamic covenant1 though ,i trust you are right in the main4 ,that phrase sounds foreign and mysterious1 and ,i never use it except in talking with people who ,i know have the thing itself already in their hearts4 ,i called ,helen to me1 and told her to say the hymn which she had repeated to me the last ,sabbath evening4 ,she cleared her voice1 leaned against me1 and twisted her fingers in my hair behind1 and1 with her eyes fixed there1 she said this hymn3 ,begin1 my tongue1 some heavenly theme1 ,and speak some boundless thing2 ,the mightier works or mightier name ,of our eternal ,king4 ,tell of his wondrous faithfulness1 ,and sound his power abroad2 ,sing the sweet promise of his grace1 ,and the performing ,god4 ,proclaim salvation from the ,lord ,for wretched1 dying men2 ,his hand has writ the sacred word ,with an immortal pen4 ,engraved as in eternal brass ,the mighty promise shines2 ,nor can the powers of darkness rase ,those everlasting lines4 ,he who can dash whole worlds to death1 ,and make them when he please1 ,he speaks1 and that ,almighty breath ,fulfils his promises4 ,his very word of grace is strong ,as that which built the skies3 ,the voice that rolls the stars along ,speaks all the promises4 ,he said1 ',let the wide heavens be spread2' ,and heaven was stretched abroad4 ',abra'am1 ,i'll be thy ,god1' he said2 ,and he was ,abra'am's ,god4 ,o1 might ,i hear thy heavenly tongue ,but whisper1 ',thou art mine6' ,those gentle words should raise my song ,to notes almost divine4 ,how would my leaping heart rejoice1 ,and think my heaven secure6 ,i trust the all-creating voice1 ,and faith desires no more4 ,pastor4 ,what a happy man ,abraham must have been when the ,almighty made this engagement and promise3 ,i will be a ,god to thee6 ,that was the ,abrahamic covenant1 in part4 ,does covenant mean that8 said ,mrs4 ,b4 ,what8 ,i inquired4 ,why1 sir1 what you have just said1--engagement1 promise8 ,nothing more1 said ,i4 ,but what a happy man1 ,i say1 ,abraham must have been6 ',a ,god to thee6' ,to have the ,almighty say to one1 ',i will be a ,god to thee6' ,you know that this is everything4 ,that is a fact1 said ,mr4 ,b41 wiping his eyes2 for1 when ,i went to my store1 the morning after ,i became a ,christian1 ,i went along the street1 saying to myself1 ',now ,i have a ,god4 ,god is ,god to me4 ,thou art my ,god4' ,yes1 said his wife2 ,deacon ,b41 the post-master1 heard you1 as you went by his side-window1 and he made an excuse to bring me up a paper1 that forenoon1 and asked whether you had not met with a change in your feelings on the subject of religion4 ,did he8 said ,mr4 ,b4 ,well1 ,i did not mean to be heard1 and yet ,i was willing that everybody should know how happy ,i was in having one whom ,i could call my ,god4 ,how ,i had lived so long without ,god for my ,god1 amazed me4 ,pastor4 ,you make me think of a man who1 one night1 on reaching his house1 after having attended a lecture in a school-room1 was filled with such surprising views and feelings1 with respect to the greatness and goodness of ,god1 that he saddled his horse1 rode three miles1 waked up the minister1 and1 as he came to the door1 took hold of each arm1 and said1 ,o1 my dear sir1 what a ,god we've got6 ,he would not go in1 but soon hastened back4 ,it was the substance of all that he wished to say2 he desired to pour out his soul to some one who would understand him4 ,he was like a thirsty land when at last the great rain is descending4 ,mr4 ,b4 ,i suppose many people would have thought him crazy4 ,i suspect the minister did1 at first1 said ,mrs4 ,b4 ,and yet ,i suppose1 said ,i1 he was never more rational4 ,just think what it is for a poor sinner all at once to feel that the eternal ,god is his2 that ,he will be a ,god to him6 ,we hear of some people dying at the receipt of good news2 and ,i have seen some so happy at this experience1 of having a ,god to love and to love them1 that1 if the thing itself did not1 as it always does1 bring peace and inward strength with it1 nature could not have sustained it4 ,joy unspeakable1 said ,mr4 ,b4 ,and full of glory1 said his wife1 waiting a moment for him to finish the quotation4 ,now1 my dear friends1 said ,i1 that man on horseback1 at his minister's door at midnight1 had1 at that moment1 the first part of what is meant by the ',abrahamic covenant4' ,how little way do these words go toward expressing the thing itself1 and a man's feelings under it6 ,there was a time when ,god made ,abraham far more happy even than he did you on your way to the post-office that morning4 ,helen came along1 just then1 with a fruit-basket of apples1 and ,i said to her1 as she was going round with them1 ,say again that verse in your hymn1 which has these words in it1 ',thou art mine4' ,so1 while ,mr4 ,b4 was paring his apple1 ,helen stood before him1 and said3 ,o1 might ,i hear thy heavenly tongue ,but whisper1 ',thou art mine6' ,those gentle words should raise my song ,to notes almost divine4 ,mr4 ,b4 put his apple and knife down1 and took his red bandanna handkerchief from under his plate1 and1 wiping his eyes1 said3 ,hymns always make me feel a good deal1 especially ,watts's4 ,i've read that hymn in meeting before the exercises began4 ,pastor4 ,you know1 by happy experience1 what it is when that heavenly tongue whispers1 ,thou art mine4 ,mr4 ,b4 ,i do1 sir1 if ,i know anything4 ,pastor4 ,now1 my dear friends1 there is something awaiting you1 which you seem not to have experienced1 but which is as good as that4 ,we would like to hear about it1 they both replied4 ,how should you like1 ,mrs4 ,b41 said ,i1 to have your little boy become a sailor8 ,o dear6 said she1 ,i should have no peace from this time1 if ,i thought he was to be a sailor4 ,but that1 said ,i1 may be ,god's chosen occupation for him1--the way in which he will employ him to bring him to himself1 and then use him to be a preacher to seamen1 for example1 and so to scatter the truth in many parts of the earth4 ,we are not our own1 ,mrs4 ,b41 and this dear boy was not given you1 as we say1 to keep4 ',for thou hast created all things1 and for thy pleasure they are and were created4' ,i want him brought up at college1 said ,mrs4 ,b41 looking at your mother1 who1 she probably thought1 would understand her motherly anticipations about her boy so far ahead4 ,well1 said ,i1 let us send him to college4 ,i suspect that you would feel a good deal the morning he left you1 would you not8 ,o1 said she1 ,i should so want him to be good first6 ,if he should not be a good man1 ,i would not have him get learning to do harm with it1 and make himself more miserable hereafter4 ,the little gate1 with its chain and ball1 swung to at this moment1 and a woman and girl came up the walk4 ,it was ,mrs4 ,ford1 who used to be your dress-maker1 and her daughter ,janette1 now about thirteen4 ,it was a farewell call from ,janette1 who was going to the neighborhood of ,philadelphia1 into a coach-lace manufactory4 ,so ,janette is going to leave us1 to-morrow1 ,mrs4 ,ford8 said your mother4 ,yes1 madam1 and ,i feel sorely about it2 so young1 and such a way off1 and all strangers except the foreman1 who spoke to me about her coming6 ,o1 sir1 said she1 changing her undertone1 and turning to me1 what should we do without that promise1 ',i will be a ,god to thee and to thy seed after thee'8 ,i looked at ,mr4 and ,mrs4 ,b41 and we all smiled1 while ,i said3 ,now we have got the second part of the ',abrahamic covenant4' ,so now we have the whole of it4 ,mrs4 ,ford1 when you came in1 we were talking about baptizing children1 and about the ',abrahamic covenant4' ,what do you understand by that covenant8 ,i understand by it1 sir1 said she1 slowly gathering her words into proper order2 why1 ,i think ,i understand by it1 that ,god promises to be a ,god to a believer's child1 as he was in such a wonderful way to ,abraham's people4 ,pastor4 ,well1 that is the substance of one part of it1 at least4 ,did you know1 ,mrs4 ,ford1 that when you came in we were just entering ,mrs4 ,benson's son at college8 ,mrs4 ,ford4 ,not this ,mrs4 ,benson1 of course4 ,whom do you mean1 sir8 ,pastor4 ,this ,mrs4 ,benson2--her little son4 ,mrs4 ,ford4 ,o1 ,i understand6 ,well1 you will send him to ,p41 ,i suppose1 it is so near4 ,we had not fixed on the college1 said ,mrs4 ,benson1 with a laugh4 ,janette1 said ,i1 how do you like the thought of going off so far from us all8 ,janette pulled the ends of her plain cotton gloves1 and her heart was full1 so that she could not speak for a moment4 ,i was sorry that ,i had asked the question1 and therefore added3 ,you will not go where ,god cannot take care of you and bless you the same as at home1 will you1 dear8 ,she lifted her white apron to her eyes1 while ,mrs4 ,ford said for her3 ,i tell ,janette that ,i gave her up to ,god in baptism2 and when her father lay sick1 he said1 ',that child was given to ,god in his house2 ,i leave her destitute1 and with nothing but her hands1 but ,i leave her to a covenant-keeping ,god4' ,now1 said ,i1 here is a dear daughter going to a strange place to learn a trade4 ,she knows not a soul in the place but the foreman who has hired her4 ,a boy is going to college1 another to sea1 another to a distant city4 ,here is a daughter1 who receives particular attentions from certain young friends1 and the probability is that she will be asked in marriage2 and here is a son1 who with his parents are in doubt with regard to his future occupation and course of life4 ,god only knows the feelings of parents at such times4 ,what prayers are made in secret1--what vows6 ,one wrong step may embitter life4 ,a right step may lead to prosperity and great happiness4 ,i sometimes wish that we could gather our children together1 in some of these emergencies and critical periods of their lives1 and offer up prayers and vows1 as parents and friends1 in their behalf4 ,there would not be many meetings more interesting than these1 ,mr4 ,benson4 ,how the parents of such children would love everybody that came at such times to pray for their children2 and what prayers would go up to ,god6 ,can we not have some such meetings8 said ,mr4 ,benson4 ,every parent would like it1 ,i am sure4 ,pastor4 ,well1 we do have some such meetings occasionally1 ,i remember4 ,our minister loves to use parables1 said ,mrs4 ,benson1 looking at your mother1 so as to make us understand the meaning better1 and remember it4 ,i must ask you to explain1 said ,mr4 ,benson4 ,pastor4 ,as often as we bring a child to the house of ,god for baptism1 ,mr4 ,benson1 we have such a meeting1 if ,christians will but understand it so4 ,we come with the parents1 and say1 ,lord ,god1 here is this dear child1 with a momentous history pending upon thy favor and blessing4 ,in all future time1 in the critical moments and eventful steps of its life1 or in its early death1 or in its orphanage1 be thou a ,god to this child4 ,if ,god should to-night1 ,mrs4 ,ford1 say to you1 ,i will be ,janette's ,god1 would you not send her away with a light heart8 ,he should have her for life1 dear child6 said she2 and ,i do feel that he is a ,god to her4 ,he is1 said ,i1 if you have really made a covenant with him about your daughter4 ,i have1 sir1 said ,mrs4 ,ford4 ,pastor4 ,did the covenant have any seal8 ,some good people1 you know1 think it enough to covenant with ,god about their children1 without using any special act to mark and seal it4 ,now it is only in consecrating children to ,god that they omit the seal from the covenant4 ,we practise adult baptism1 joining the church1 confirmation1 and we partake of the ,lord's ,supper1 feeling the propriety and the use of acts and testimonies in the form of an ordinance4 ,what seal had your covenanting with ,god about your child8 ,mrs4 ,ford4 ,i see it now clearer than ever4 ,as we stood with this child in our arms1 we both said1 afterwards1 we made a public profession of religion anew2 and1 when the minister said those sacred names over her1 ,i felt more than before that ,i was having transactions with ,god about the child4 ,but people used to say to me1 ,why not wait and let ,janette be baptized when she is old enough to understand it8 ,how little they knew about it6 ,just as though1 ,i told them1 if ,i had money to put into the savings-bank for ,janette1 ,i would wait and let her put it in herself 7it is so pleasant to put it in when you know all about it671 instead of laying it up for her in the funds1 and let it count up while she is growing4 ,pastor4 ,those friends who advised you so1 think1 perhaps1 too much of the ceremony itself1 and not so much of what it signifies4 ,now the pleasure of being baptized is nothing compared with having ,god enter into a covenant in your behalf when you knew nothing about it4 ,mrs4 ,ford4 ,they said to me1 also1 ,what right have you to do it1 instead of letting her have the choice and privilege of doing it herself hereafter8 ,i told them that1 if we acted on that principle1 in the treatment of our children1 there would be a long list of useful things1 which we do for them1 to be postponed4 ,pastor4 ,we can benefit another without his consent4 ,the question is1 whether it is a benefit to a child for ,god and its natural guardians to make a covenant together in its behalf4 ,mr4 ,benson4 ,it surely is so1 if ,god truly is a party to such a covenant4 ,but where is the proof that he is8 ,that is my trouble4 ,they tell me that this covenanting with ,god for a child1 and sealing it with an ordinance1 ceased with ,abraham1 who was a ,jew2 that it was a ,jewish custom1 which died out4 ,pastor4 ,abraham a mere ,jew6 ,god's covenant with a believer and his children a ,jewish covenant6 ,never was there a greater mistake4 ,paul tells us expressly it was not so4 ,get me a ,bible1 ,helen1 and bring me a lamp4 ,i read these words3 ,and the promise that he should be heir of the world was not to ,abraham and his seed through the law1 but through the righteousness of faith4 ,his relation to the world was independent of dispensations2 it grew out of that faith which he had in common with all believers to the end of time4 ,and he received the sign of circumcision1 a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised1 that he might be the father of all them that believe1 though they be not circumcised4 ,christ also says3 ,moses1 therefore1 gave unto you circumcision2 7not because it is of ,moses1 but of the fathers47 ,abraham was not a ,jew when ,god covenanted with him1 any more than you1 madam1 were ,mrs4 ,ford1 when1 at the age of sixteen1 as you have told me1 you entered into covenant with ,god4 ,that covenant had chief respect to your immortal soul1 and yet it reached in its influences to all the conditions of that soul while here in the flesh4 ,so ,god covenanted with ,abraham as a believer1 not as a mere national ancestor2 yet temporal and spiritual blessings came in rich measures upon his immediate descendants4 ,but we read1 ,so then as many as be of faith are blessed with faithful1 that is1 believing1 ,abraham4 ,and if ye be ,christ's1 then are ye ,abraham's seed1 and heirs according to the promise4 ,can anything be plainer than this8 ,mrs4 ,ford4 ,my father was a minister1 you know1 sir1 and he used to preach a great deal on this subject4 ,pastor4 ,let us hear your understanding of these passages1 ,mrs4 ,ford4 ,i am afraid1 said she1 ,i cannot tell you just what he used to say4 ,but my idea of it is this3 ,though ,abraham was the founder of the ,hebrew people1 he was no more a ,jew than a ,gentile in his covenant with ,god1 for it was as believer the great believer1 that ,god made a covenant with him4 ,so that he was not circumcised as a ,jew1 but1 as the ,bible says1 to have a seal of the righteousness which he had by faith4 ,god made a covenant with him as a believer1 to be his ,god and the ,god of his children1 as the children of a believer1 not a ,jew2 so that all believers are blessed with believing ,abraham1 by having the same covenant extended to them4 ,then1 ,i take it1 ,god gave him a sign and seal as a pledge1 and to remind him of it1 and to keep his children in remembrance4 ,she paused1 and ,i said3 ,please to go on4 ,you remember1 ,bertha1 how you used to make this ,mrs4 ,ford discuss doctrinal matters when she was sewing for you4 ,mrs4 ,ford4 ,i remember that father said that ,god took the rainbow as a sign and seal of his promise1 to ,noah and all future generations1 that there should never be another universal deluge4 ,so he appointed a children's ordinance to mark his covenant with believers to the end of time4 ,only there was this difference2 the way of signing and sealing the covenant not being coupled with the laws of nature1 but conforming to the kind of symbols successively in use1 it was changed1 at the time that the ,sabbath was changed1 and the whole of the old dispensation2 but father used to say1 ,is the commonwealth and citizenship broken up because the legislature adopts a new state seal8 ,does that destroy all the old public documents8 ,pastor4 ,good6 ,so the ,united ,states' mint is from time to time changing its dies2 lately it has abolished copper1 and substituted equivalent coins of different composition4 ,but money does not perish4 ,a cent is a cent still1 red or white4 ,so1 whether the seal be blood or water1 the great ordinance which it seals remains the same4 ,and now ,i will tell you1 said ,i1 how it seems to me ,god's covenanting with parents for their children came to pass4 ,he wished to give ,abraham a token and seal of his love to him4 ,so he took his child1 the thing which he loved best1 and would see oftenest1 and thought of most1 and made the child1 as it were1 the tablet on which to write his covenant with the father4 ,that was one reason4 ',because he loved the fathers1 therefore he chose their seed4' ,but this is the least of the reasons in the case4 ,here is one of vastly greater importance4 ,god wished to perpetuate religion in the earth4 ,he knew that the family constitution would be the principal means of doing this1 parents teaching and commanding their children1 and so transmitting religion4 ,because he knew that ,abraham would do this1 he gave it as a reason for his love and confidence in him1 in not concealing from him his purpose to destroy ,sodom4 ',shall ,i hide from ,abraham that thing which ,i do8 ,for ,i know him that he will command his children and his household after him1 and they shall keep the ways of the ,lord4' ,so1 in order to remind ,abraham of what was expected by the ,most ,high in making his children the presumptive heirs of grace1 and to remind the children of it when they came to years of understanding1 ,god gave him and them this mark and seal4 ,well1 then1 said ,mr4 ,benson1 it seems to me ,abraham was better off than we1 if he had ,god in covenant with him for his children1 and we have not4 ,i sometimes wish that ,i could have ,god covenant with me about my boy1 as ,abraham had about ,isaac4 ,i should like1 said ,mrs4 ,b41 to hear him say1 ',i will be a ,god to him1' and then tell us to do something of his own appointment that should be like our signing and sealing a covenant together1 as the ,lord's ,supper enables us to do with ,christ4 ,if we have no such blessed privilege1 said ,i1 then1 as ,abraham desired to see our day1 ,i should1 in this respect1 rejoice to see ,abraham's day4 ,i cannot forego the privilege of having ,god in covenant with me for my children as he was with ,abraham for his2 and ,i crave some divine seal affixed to it4 ,you said1 ,mrs4 ,benson1 that you would like to have ,god promise to be the ,god of your child1 and then command you to do something which would be like ,god and you signing and sealing it together4 ,but do you think1 ,mrs4 ,b41 that this is necessary8 ,why is it not enough for ,god to make a promise1 and you make one1 and let it be without any sign or seal8 ,people don't do things in that way1 said ,mr4 ,benson1 with a decided motion1 two or three times1 with his head4 ,they call a wedding a ceremony1 it is true1 and some say1 ',so long as people are engaged to be man and wife1 the ceremony makes little difference4' ,but it does make all the difference in the world1--this mere ceremony1 as they call it4 ,they never like to dispense with it themselves1 at least2 because1 you see1 it makes all the difference between unlawful1 sinful union1 and marriage4 ,it makes married life2 which could not exist1 without the ceremony1 among decent people4 ,it gives a title and ground to a thing which could not be without it4 ,so1 ,i begin to see and feel1 it is with regard to what some call the ceremony of baptism4 ,but excuse me1 wife1 ,i took the answer out of your mouth4 ,well1 said ,mrs4 ,benson to me1 ,i must wait upon you1 sir1 to answer the question further4 ,mr4 ,benson has the right view of the subject1 ,i replied4 ,we make too little of signs and seals1 from a morbid fear and jealousy of those which are invented by man and added to religion4 ,but ,god's own seals are safe and good4 ,we cannot make too much of them4 ,god never did anything with men1 from the beginning1 without signs and seals4 ,the tree of life was one1 and so was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil4 ,adam and ,eve knew better1 at first1 than to say1 ',so long as we love and obey ,god1 of what use are these symbols8' ,by not regarding symbols afterward1 they brought death into our world and all our woe4 ,even before that1 ,god had appointed a symbol of his authority1 and a seal of a covenant between him and man forever1 in the appointment of the ,sabbath4 ,the mark on ,cain's forehead1 the rainbow1 the lamp passing between the severed parts of ,abraham's sacrifice1 ,jacob's ladder1 the burning bush1 the passover1 and things too numerous to mention1 show how ,god loves signs and seals4 ,there are many good people1 at the present day1 who say to me1 ,i am willing to consecrate my child to ,god in prayer1 and bring him up for ,god2 but ,i do not see the necessity of an ordinance4 ,why bring the child to baptism8 ,i can do all which is required and signified1 without the sign4 ,what do you say to them8 said ,mrs4 ,ford4 ,pastor4 ,i tell them they are on dangerous ground4 ,will they be wiser than ,god8 ,he knows our natures1 and what to prescribe to us in our intercourse with him4 ,i would as soon meddle with a law of nature1 as with ,god's ordinances4 ,i might as well neglect a law of nature1 and think to be safe and well1 as to neglect one of ,god's ordinances1 and expect his blessing4 ,people1 moreover1 may as well object to family prayer1 and say that they try to live in a spirit of prayer all day4 ,why do they have special seasons for retirement1 if they walk with ,god8 ,why do they hardly feel that they have prayed if company1 or a bedfellow1 on a journey1 keeps them from using oral prayer8 ,it is a bitter grief1 also1 when no funeral solemnities lead the way to the grave with a beloved object2 yet1 where in the word of ,god are they commanded8 ,as ,mr4 ,benson said1 ,who is willing to dispense with the wedding ceremony1 except in cases where sadness and trouble seek concealment8 ,people cannot give full evidence that they are ,christians unless they make a public profession of religion4 ,they cannot properly remember ,jesus without partaking of his body and blood4 ,depend upon it1 my dear friends1 ,god sets great value on ordinances1 and our observance of them4 ,god has given us two sacraments1 and he who dispenses with them because he undervalues them1 or undertakes to say that they are not necessary to him1 or to any in this age of the world1 is in peril4 ,the only danger from forms and ordinances is when they are of human origin4 ,we must take care and not let our revulsion from ,romanism carry us to the extreme of neglecting or setting aside the ordinances of ,god's appointment4 ,there are three that bear record on earth1 the ,spirit1 and the water1 and the blood2 and these three agree in one4 ,a man may1 with equal propriety1 dispense with the blood1 and its symbol the wine1 or with the ,spirit1 as with the water1 if ,god has appointed it with the other two as a witness between him and us4 ,you notice that the ,spirit is named with the two inanimate things1 the blood and the water4 ,take care1 ,i say to my friends1 lest1 in setting aside the water1 you shut out that divine ,spirit1 who1 knowing how to deal with our nature1 chooses the blood and the water to be used by us in connection with our most spiritual religious exercises of the mind and heart4 ,we have no more right to interfere with ,god's ordinances than with the number of the persons in the ,trinity4 ,all this affects me so1 said ,mr4 ,benson1 that ,i shall not fail to offer my child to be baptized1 if ,i am allowed to do so4 ,now1 there is my difficulty4 ,why do you think1 and how do you show1 that baptism must now be used as ,god's sign and seal of his covenant with believers for their children8 ,when circumcision was dropped1 some insist that the covenant was dropped with it1 and1 therefore1 that there is no warrant in ,scripture for baptizing children4 ,why1 said ,mrs4 ,ford1 if the coming in of ,moses' dispensation did not abolish the arrangement with ,abraham1 why should its going out8 ,i am inclined to think that ,abraham and his seed are1 to ,moses and his dispensation1 something like that vine to the trellis1 running over it to the top of the piazza1 bending itself in1 you see1 to accommodate itself1 but having a root and a top1 the one below1 the other above1 the short frame1 which only guides it up to the roof4 ,in the eleventh of ,romans does not ,paul say that ,jews and ,gentiles have one and the same 'root'8 ,i always supposed that root to be ,abraham and his covenant4 ,i did not quote ,latin to my friends1 but ,i thought of the old law-maxim1 ,manente ratione1 manet ipsa lex--which1 if your scholarship is not at hand to translate it1 ,percival will tell you1 means1 ,the reason for a law remaining1 the law itself also remains4 ,it is used in such cases as the following3 ,when one would insist that a law was intended to be repealed by the operation of another law1 not directly or expressly aimed to repeal it1 it is a good reply4 ,if the original reason for enacting the old law can be shown still to exist1 it is strong presumptive evidence that there was no intention to repeal that law4 ,i explained this1 in as simple language as ,i could1 to my excellent friends1 and told them1 ,if ,god's covenant1 which circumcision sealed1 were ,mosaic1 and therefore national1 ,jewish1 we should presume that it ceased with the ,jewish nation2 or1 if it continued1 that it was restricted to their posterity4 ,but why should ,god bestow his inestimable blessing on the father of the faithful1 and take it away from the faithful themselves8 ,we love our children1 as ,abraham did his4 ,it is as important to us that ,god should be the ,god of our seed1 as it was to ,abraham4 ,my heart yearns after that covenanting ,god in behalf of my children4 ,i will give up thinking of ,abraham as a ,jew1 said ,mrs4 ,benson4 ,what was he1 then8 said ,i1 or what will he be to you1 from this time8 ,he was the head of believers1 said she1 just as ,adam was the head of men4 ,as ,mrs4 ,ford said1 he was the great believer2 and ,i am persuaded that all who are of faith have his privileges1 and more too2 but certainly all that he had4 ,but1 my dear1 said your mother1 you have forgotten the question4 ,supposing that the covenant still remains1 why do you take baptism for the seal of it8 ,the old way of sealing it is given up4 ,what authority do you show for using baptism in its place8 ,i take the initiating ordinance of religion for the time being1 said ,i1 whatever it may be4 ,is not baptism the initiating ordinance1 as circumcision was8 ,when they built our long bridge1 and the ferry-boats ceased running1 did the town put up a great sign over the gate1 saying1 ',it is enacted that this river shall continue to be crossed'8 ,did they add1 ',this bridge is hereby appointed as the way of getting over the river'8 ,or1 did not people take it for granted1 when the bridge was opened and the ferry-boats were withdrawn1 that the bridge was designed to be the way by which they were to pass over the river8 ,now1 suppose so impossible a thing as this1 that hereafter baptism should1 by divine revelation1 be changed for anointing with oil1 and nothing were said about children4 ,i would anoint the child with oil1 instead of baptizing it with water4 ,we are to use the initiatory rite of the church for the time being4 ,but1 said ,mrs4 ,benson1 is there any resemblance between circumcision and baptism8 ,there need be none1 said ,i4 ,resemblance does not give it efficacy1 but ,god's appointment of it4 ,if marking the flesh in some way should be appointed to succeed baptism1 we need not look for a likeness between it and baptism before we complied with the divine requirement4 ,i do wish1 said ,mrs4 ,benson1 that the authority to baptize children were more expressly stated in the ,bible1 to satisfy all who were not brought up as we have been4 ,pastor4 ,the overwhelming majority of those who now receive the ,bible as the word of ,god find it there4 ,mrs4 ,benson4 ,but why did not ,paul receive a revelation about it1 as he did about the ,lord's ,supper8 ,pastor4 ,did that make the thing any more authoritative with us than the original appointment8 ,we will not prescribe to ,god how to teach us4 ,we will not make up our minds how he ought to have made a revelation1 but we will take that revelation and try to understand it4 ,i agree to that1 said they all4 ,pastor4 ,it appears to me that ,god prefers1 on certain subjects1 that the world shall reason by inferences4 ,it is a wise way of educating children and youth1 to leave some things to be learned in this way1 and not by setting everything before them1 like too many examples in the arithmetic wrought out4 ,we have changed the ,sabbath from the seventh to the first day in the week4 ,it gives me a sublime idea of our ,sabbath1 that by some great1 silent alteration1 it has come to pass that all the world keep the day of ,christ's resurrection1 instead of the day which commemorated the work of creation4 ,i feel toward it as ,i do with regard to the noiseless changes of the seasons1 and the conformity of our habits and practices to them4 ,i left ,new ,york late in winter for the ,azores1 and1 before ,i expected it1 the warm southern airs came one morning into my cabin window4 ,so the ,christian ,sabbath1 with its beautiful associations1 flowed in upon the world without a formal proclamation4 ,i feel thankful to ,god for so regarding our intelligent natures1 as to leave some things1 relating to ordinances1 modes1 and forms1 to be inferred1 bringing great changes over the moral and spiritual world1 and leaving us to adjust ourselves and the administration of the appointed ordinances to them4 ,we can add nothing1 we take nothing away from an express1 divine command2 but1 as the first disciples were left to infer that a ,sabbath was as necessary after ,christ brought in the new creation as before1 and adjusted it to the celebration of the ,saviour's rising from the dead1 so we infer that ,god's covenant with believing parents for their children is as desirable now as ever2 that all the original reasons for it now exist2 and1 therefore1 we take the initiating ordinance of religion now1 as the church in former ages did1 and apply it to the children4 ,all church-members did it before ,christ2 all church-members may do it now4 ,god saw fit to make every adult member1 at least1 of the ,jewish family1 a church-member2 if he has changed and restricted the terms of church-membership now1 that is a sufficient reason for not making the sealing of children as universal now as it was before4 ,that is to say1 in both cases1 it is a church-member's privilege4 ,without detailing the conversation at this point1 let me say1 ,i take it for granted that ,abraham1 as my great spiritual ancestor1 my representative before ,god1 my commissioner to receive for me and transmit my privileges and blessings1 continues in that relation unless expressly set aside4 ,christ did not set him aside4 ,how wonderfully he is brought forward under the new dispensation1 when it is said to us1 ,and if ye be ,christ's1 then are ye ,abraham's seed1 and heirs according to the promise4 ,but1 pray1 why should ,abraham be intruded in connection with ,christ1 if he with his covenant is like a lapsed legacy1 or a superseded act of ,congress8 ,why comes he here1 in connection with the ,saviour1 and tells me that if ,i am ,christ's1 then am ,i his1 ,abraham's1 seed8 ,hear this3 ,christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law1 being made a curse for us1 that the blessing of ,abraham might come on the ,gentiles through ,jesus ,christ4 ,wonderful elevation of ,abraham and his blessing1 as the great type of all that ,christ was to procure for us6 ,if ,abraham and his covenant ceased with the ,jewish people1 how does the blessing of ,abraham fully come upon us1 the ,gentiles8 ,but give me his covenant for my children2 then ,i see that ,christ is executor of the testament made with ,abraham for his children2 and ,i am one of the heirs2 as indeed ,i am1 even if ,i have no children1 but if ,i have1 all of ,abraham's privileges and his covenanting ,god are mine and theirs4 ,so that1 ,i said to my friends1 ,i go to the ,bible not to say1 ,must ,i baptize my children8 but1 ,am ,i forbidden to baptize them8 ,all my predecessors in the church of ,god1 before ,christ1 had the privilege of bringing their children into the bonds of the covenant with themselves4 ,if they felt as we do about it 7and strict usage1 and the rich experience which they had had of its benefits1 must have made it inestimably precious to them71 it is incredible that a sudden and total discontinuance of it1 at the beginning of ,christianity1 should not have occasioned great clamor4 ,the formalists1 at least1 would have remonstrated at the seeming violation1 by this new order of things1 of natural affection4 ,for1 as ,doddridge well observes1 ,what would have been done with the infants1 or male children1 of ,christians8--that is1 of converted ,jews1 as well as others4 ,they could not circumcise them2 but their teachers1 being spiritually-minded men1 knew that circumcision was a seal of faith1 not merely of nationality1 and must not the converts have required some sign and symbol still for their children8 ,now they had long been used to the baptism of proselytes and their children2 so that baptizing their own children1 as a substitute for circumcising them1 could not have been a violent change with those whom ,peter's vision of the sheet had taught that the ,gentiles should be fellow-heirs4 ,and when he1 in one of his first sermons1 said to the whole house of ,israel1 ,ye are the children of the covenant1 and ,the promise is unto you and to your children1 we can account for their utter silence as to any revocation by ,christianity of the right and privilege of applying the initiatory ordinance of religion1 for the time being1 to a believer's child4 ,but1 said ,mr4 ,benson1 the ,saviour said1 ',he that believeth1 and is baptized1 shall be saved4' ,the apostles said1 ',repent and be baptized1 every one of you4' ,show us1 now1 why this does not prove that repentance and faith were not thus made essential to baptism4 ,according to these passages1 none could be baptized who had not repented and believed4 ,this would exclude infants4 ',believe1 and be baptized2' how do you dispose of that1 sir8 ,very easily1 said ,i4 ,mrs4 ,benson exclaimed1 ,o1 sir1 if you can1 all my difficulty is at an end6 ,well1 then1 said ,i1 in the first place1 there is no such requirement in the ,bible4 ,you see the expression very often1 but it is not found in ,scripture4 ,but tell me exactly what your difficulty is4 ,why1 said she1 my husband has just stated it4 ,people tell us the ,bible says1 ',he that believeth1 and is baptized1 shall be saved4' ,so they insist that no one should be baptized who is not old enough to believe4 ,i told her that ,i could remove her difficulty in very few words4 ,suppose1 said ,i1 that ,abraham is preaching to full-grown men in ,canaan1 and is trying to proselyte them from their idolatry to the worship of ,god4 ,he would say to them1 ',believe and be circumcised1' would he not8 for ,god ordained that certain proselytes should be circumcised4 ,yes1 sir1 said two or three voices at once4 ,well1 then1 said ,i1 must it follow that children could not be circumcised because ,abraham said to men1 ',believe and be circumcised'8 ,how will that reasoning answer8 ,is it true8 ,no4 ,little ,isaac refuted it1 for he was circumcised even when his father was saying to his pagan neighbors1 ',believe and be circumcised4' ,true enough1 all who believed1 in ,christ's day and the apostles'1 needed to be baptized1 because they were not children1 but were grown up1 when ,christian baptism began4 ,had an apostle1 however1 lived to see the jailer's family1 and that of ,lydia1 and of ,stephanas1 grown up1 and any in those families had remained unconverted1 and then he had said to them1 ',believe and be baptized1' there would be some force in saying that believing and baptism must always go together4 ,one other thing always troubled me1 said ,mr4 ,benson1 and that is1 that there was no seal of the covenant for any but male children4 ,now1 if the initiatory rite of ,christianity be used for the same purpose as that given to ,abraham1 why not confine it1 as formerly1 to males8 ,how interesting it is1 said ,i1 and it is full of instruction1 to see ,god paying regard to the world's knowledge and progress1 in all his measures1 and doing nothing prematurely4 ,there is a very striking illustration of this in the account of the fall4 ,god knew the history of the tempter during his agency in ,paradise2 for angels had sinned and fallen from heaven4 ,but the existence and agency of fallen spirits had not been disclosed in the ,bible1--the time for the disclosure had not come1--and therefore it is said1 with beautiful simplicity1 ',now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the ,lord ,god had made2' and the narrative has respect only to the external appearance of the tempter1 the serpent1 because it would have been premature as yet to bring in the story of fallen angels1 or make allusion to them4 ,so1 for reasons belonging to the early ages of the world1 woman was included in man1 who acted for her4#a ,but1 however the arrangement began1 ,god regarded that organic law of society1 and1 in giving ,abraham a seal of a covenant for his children1 he restricted it to the sons1 they in all things standing and acting as the representatives of the house1 according to the existing custom4 ,god did not go far beyond the world's advancement1 in his ordinances1 but1 with condescension and in wisdom1 suited the one to the other4 ,but1 as things were then generally represented by types1 so the male child was a type and representative of the more full and complete form1 which was reserved till the fulness of time1 and till the world should know the fulness of ,him that filleth all in all4 ,for 'in ,christ ,jesus there is neither ,jew nor ,greek1 male nor female4' ,footnote #a3 ,a curious reason for this1 in the minds of some1 appears to be that1 when man was created1 woman was included in him4 ,for1 they say1 in the first chapter of ,genesis1 and in the account of the sixth day1 before woman was made1 the plural word them is used3 male and female created he them4 ,they say that the blessing was pronounced on the man and woman in ,adam4 ,for they think it improbable that ,moses would anticipate his history so much as to bring in woman1 and1 withal1 her blessing1 too1 at the sixth day1 when the narrative teaches that she was made some time afterwards4 ,hence1 they say1 it was that woman was for ages treated as included in man4 ,there is something pleasing in this fancy1 but it seems like one of ,origen's allegories1 he being the father of allegorical interpretation4 ,it had its origin in an ancient ,rabbinical sentiment4 ,so ,i discoursed with my visitors till between ten and eleven o'clock1 and when they rose to go1 we all stood up together and joined in prayer4 ,we commended ,janette to her covenant-keeping ,god1 whose name had been inscribed upon her4 ,we remembered the little boy who had been the occasion of all this pleasant conversation1 and prayed that his consecration might be accepted1 and the sign and seal of it be owned and blessed to him and his parents4 ,as ,i walked down to the gate with my friends1 ,i said to them1 that1 when ,god was covenanting with ,abraham1 he bade him look up into the heavens1 and count the stars1 and told him that his seed1 like them1 should be innumerable4 ,so ,i told them frequently to look up to those old heavens1 and remember that the covenant-keeping ,god is there1 the same who1 in blessing ,abraham1 included his seed2 and that1 because ,abraham was so good a man1 ,god calls his posterity the seed of ,abraham my friend4 ,and so we said good-night4 ,in reading over what ,i have written1 there are a few things more which ,i feel disposed to add1 because ,i know that ,percival will make good use of them in talking with others in your congregation4 ,i feel1 more than ,i can express1 that the state of mind in parents which will make them prize and use the ordinance of baptism for their children is the great want of our day4 ,bringing children to church1 and baptizing them1 unless the parents are themselves in covenant with ,god1 is as wrong as it was for those earthly-minded ,corinthians1 whom ,paul rebukes1 to eat the ,lord's ,supper4 ,they made a feast1 or a meal1 of the supper2 and some use baptism just to give a child a name1--to christen it1 as they say1--in mere compliance with a custom4 ,but the abuse of a thing is no valid argument against it4 ,the last supper is the subject of far more perversion2 it gives occasion to a vast amount of superstition and folly4 ,the procession of the host1 the elevation of the host1 the laying of the wafer on the tongue1 the solemn injunctions against spitting for a certain time after receiving it1 are no valid arguments against the ,lord's ,supper1 and no ,christian is led by them to disregard the words of the ,lord ,jesus1 ,this do in remembrance of me4 ,much of the practical benefit of the ,supper comes through the feelings which it awakens1 the conduct which it promotes4 ,so with infant baptism4 ,the child must be truly consecrated to ,god1 beforehand1 and afterwards2 and the ordinance must be used as a sign and seal on our part1 as it is on the part of ,god1--an act and testimony1 a memorial1 a vow4 ,hannah lent her child to the ,lord from the beginning1 and then brought him to the temple1 with her offerings4 ,we must take the child from baptism as though ,god had placed it a second time in our hands1 to be trained up for him4 ,but1 still1 the ordinance is ,god's1 and not man's4 ,he has a work to do in us by means of it1 while it also helps our feelings1 fixes them1 makes them vivid1 and imposes solemn obligations upon us by its signified vow4 ,so it is with the ,lord's ,supper4 ,in each case it is ,god's memorial1 and not ours2 and its benefit does not consist so much in showing forth the state of our hearts at the time of administration1 as in sealing to us the promises of ,god4 ,true1 our feelings are awakened and strengthened1 ordinarily1 by the ordinances2 but that neither explains nor limits the meaning of them4 ,we are wrong if we suppose that the ,lord's ,supper has done no good unless our feelings are vivid at the time of partaking4 ,if we were sincere1 our act had the effect to engage and seal blessings from ,god of which we were not aware1 and may never be able to trace them back to that transaction4 ,so with regard to baptism4 ,some call this sacerdotalism1 and are afraid to allow that the sacraments have any influence or use1 except as a testimony from us to ,god4 ,romanism has driven us to the opposite extreme in our ideas of sacraments4 ,we do not vibrate back again too far toward ,romanism1 if now we conclude that ,god employs his sacraments1 properly received by us1 as seals from him of love and promises4 ,many ,christians derive less comfort and help from the ,lord's ,supper than they may1 because they regard it as profitable only so far as they can offer it to ,god with vivid feelings on their part2 and1 when their frames are not as they desire1 they conclude that the ordinance is unprofitable4 ,but let us also consider who appointed this ordinance4 ,it is the appointment of ,christ1 not ours2 and at his table we are his guests1 not he ours4 ,the ,saviour is well represented as saying to us1 ,thou canst not entertain a king6 ,unworthy thou of such a guest2 ,but ,i my own provision bring1 ,to make thy soul a heavenly feast4 ,there is a divine side to sacraments1 as there is a divine side in conversion4 ,while we are active in regeneration1 there is a work of ,god wrought in us1 distinct from our faith and repentance1 yet inseparable from it4 ,so1 while sacraments are vows on our part to ,god1 they are1 primarily1 gifts1 pledges1 seals1 on his part to us4 ,therefore1 when one says1 ,i can bring up my children1 ,i can be a ,christian1 without the use of sacraments1 it is a proper reply1 ,but can ,god do his part toward your children1 and toward you1 without them8 ,for1 not only is prayer the offering up of our desires to ,god for things agreeable to his will1 but there is the additional truth1 which is well expressed in those lines of a hymn3 ,prayer is appointed to convey ,the blessings ,god designs to give4 ,so with sacraments2 they convey gifts from ,god1 not primarily gifts from us to ,god4 ,he1 then1 who declines to have his children baptized1 on the ground that it is useless1 may1 in so doing1 interrupt the communication of a divinely-appointed medium between ,god and his child4 ,for he need not be told that the faith of parents brought blessings from the ,saviour1 when on earth1 to their children1 nor be reminded that the benefits of circumcision were bestowed on the ground of the parental relation to ,god4 ,one further illustration occurs to me of the power which resides in the sacraments themselves1 in distinction from their being a testimony from us to ,god4 ,let me call to your remembrance notices which you sometimes see1 of young people going1 in a frolic1 before a clergyman or justice of the peace1 to be married1 when they intended nothing but sport1 and found1 afterward1 that they had brought themselves into difficulty1 and were legally held to be married4 ,you see by this that covenants do not1 by any means1 derive all their efficacy from the feelings of a contracting party4 ,covenants and their seals are the most sacred of all human transactions1 and cannot be lightly regarded1 or trifled with4 ,god reveals himself often under the name of the ,god that keepeth covenant4 ,so that we may not set aside the sacraments1 nor undervalue them4 ,this leads me to say1 furthermore1 that children1 who doubt whether their parents sincerely and truly offered them to ,god in baptism1 the parents being in an unregenerate state1 as it afterward appeared1 when they came with their children to the ordinance1 may be greatly comforted and encouraged by taking this view of the divine sacrament of baptism as having a force and application in their behalf1 by the goodness of ,god1 irrespective of their parents' character4 ,god will not let his sacraments depend1 for their efficacy1 on the character either of the administrator or of the parents4 ,for1 if the character of an administrator affected the baptism1 it might so happen that one could never really be baptized1 since every successive hand which applied it might prove1 in turn1 to be that of an unworthy person4 ,if a child is baptized on the profession of parents who afterward show that they were not sincere1 the child shall not suffer thereby1 if he recognizes the transaction1 and makes it his own act4 ,in the case of a converted husband or wife1 while one companion remained a heathen1 the children were1 nevertheless1 counted holy1 because the ,gospel leaned to the side of mercy1 and gave the children the benefit of the believing parent's faith1 instead of attainting them through the heathen parent4 ,so1 when a child is baptized in error1 he shall not suffer1 nor even lose anything1 if he will accept the covenant with its seal4 ,no one can justly reply to all this1 that1 therefore1 every one even though not of the church1 may offer his child for baptism4 ,no2 for these are exceptional cases1 in which it is true that a covenant1 even if it be not fulfilled1 has force1 and things may enure under it which one who does not make the required profession cannot receive4 ,the covenant1 if but the outward conditions be complied with1 places all1 who are in any way related to it1 under various contingencies1 which sometimes1 to some of the parties1 may be productive of good4 ,we see illustrations of this in the great tenderness and love which we feel toward a child whose parent has brought a stain upon himself and his family4 ,we find an echo1 in our hearts1 of those kind words of the ,most ,high1 ,the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father2 and1 if that son behaves himself worthily1 every good man is doubly careful to protect and help him4 ,in this way the broken1 or unfulfilled1 covenant operates1 with ,god and with man1 to the good of some related to it4 ,but shall we1 therefore1 break our covenant8 ,shall the unworthy be promiscuously admitted to its privileges8 ,shall we continue in sin that grace may abound8 ,in speaking of the influence of sacraments1 ,i am aware that we approach enchanted ground4 ,the human heart loves a religion of forms and ceremonies1 which professes to renew and save without self-denial1 breathing around us the quietism of ordinances1 and lulling us to drowsy forgetfulness of duty in the luxurious enjoyment of an irresponsible religion4 ,while1 therefore1 we cannot too carefully guard against the abuse of ordinances1 we must not forget that ,god1 who made man1 body and soul1 chooses to convey some of his gracious operations to us by the help of the two simple sacraments1 and that they are intended to act upon us1 in the hands of his ,spirit1 in the first instance2 not merely serving as offerings to ,god4 ,it is not that there are fewer children baptized now than formerly 7if such indeed be the case71 that awakens sorrow and apprehension2 but that parents are deficient in the feelings which make us prize and use baptism4 ,this is the evil sign1 and it is greatly to be deplored4 ,one must have intelligent views of the ,scriptures as a whole1--of both ,testaments1--most fully to understand and value infant baptism2 for its roots were planted in the ,old ,testament4 ,i always feel deep respect for a church-member who comprehends this subject in its wide relations1 and is not swayed by the popular demand for an express sign at every step1 but can reason inferentially as well as when proofs are demonstrative and palpable2 and who has in his mind the whole system of redemption1 with its various economies1 interdependent1 and none made perfect without the rest4 ,when all our church-members come to understand and feel the power of this subject in this manner1 what times of enlightened religious prosperity1 and a high state of religious culture1 it will indicate4 ,i pray and wait for the time when all our ,pdobaptist churches1 of every name1 will conspire to promote spiritual views of children's baptism1 holding it forth as the expression of spiritual feelings1 and discountenancing formalism in connection with it4 ,though ,i was never an ,episcopalian in my preferences1 and though the appointment of godfathers and godmothers may1 like every good thing1 relapse into mere form1 ,i honor it for its excellent and pious design of surrounding the parents and the children with admonition and help4 ,for there are sponsors1 ,i am happy to know1 who are not mere formalists1 but who make it a rule to have an interview with their godchildren on or near their birthdays1 or the anniversaries of their baptisms1 and1 in an affectionate1 faithful manner1 they endeavor to fulfil the vows which they took upon themselves at the baptism4 ,blessings on such faithful ,christian friends6 ,happy the children who have them for helpers of their faith and piety4 ,let us all1 as church-members1 be sponsors1 at least by prayers and a kind interest for it1 to every child of a ,christian brother or sister1 when we witness its baptism4 ,suppose a church-member1 after witnessing the baptism of an infant1 its parents1 perhaps1 entire strangers1 goes to his place of private prayer1 and1 moved with disinterested love toward those parents and the child1 supplicates the blessing of ,god upon them4 ,could ,christian love be more pure than this1 or prayer more pleasing to ,god8 ,in the revelations of eternity such prayers will not only be rewarded openly by ,him who saw those doors shut with that secret love and piety1 but blessings upon parents and child without measure may be traced to such petitions as their procuring cause4 ,how good it is to perform such acts1 knowing that they can never come abroad in this world6 ,should every ,christian who witnesses the baptism of a child1 afterward pray for that immortal soul in secret1 with special petitions1 what an increased privilege and blessing it would be esteemed to offer a child in baptism1 and in ,god's house1 before a witnessing church1 rather than at home6 ,i hope1 my dear daughter1 that you and ,percival1 as private ,christians1 will do good to your own souls1 and to the souls of baptized children1 and to their parents1 by making it one of your private rules to pray in secret1 on the ,sabbath1 for every child whose baptism you witness4 ,the effort to promote and enforce infant baptism1 by ecclesiastical enactments merely1 is absurd4 ,we must fertilize the soil1 not spread glass sashes over the plants4 ,give ,christians right views and feelings about their covenant privileges and duties2 disabuse them of their mistakes about the severance of the ,old ,testament from the ,new2 teach them to look at ,abraham1 not as a decayed peer1 or an old ,jew1 but as the founder of the church of all ages1 to whom ,almighty ,god virtually said1 ',on this rock ,i will build my church1'--,abraham being the first foundation stone1 waiting for apostles to be added with him1 and1 as our great representative1 bearing in his hand the covenant made with him for us1 as well1 as for the other great branch of the family of ,god2 show them that baptism is now the initiating ordinance1 and that the old covenant was never repealed1 though the seal be changed2 let them see what it is to have ,god in covenant with them to be the ,god of their seed2 and1 withal1 let us correct1 or modify1 the intense anti-papal jealousy of the ,christian rites1 which makes us all1 unconsciously1 verge to the opposite extreme1 thus missing the divinely-appointed intention and use which there is in our two simple ordinances2 and then1 with the revival of such spiritual views and feelings1 and1 as a consequence1 with greater reference in the prayers of ,christians1 public and private1 to the subject1 the practice of children's baptism will increase1 as surely as accessions to the ,lord's table increase when people come to have ,christ in them the hope of glory4 ,we1 ministers1 can do very much to promote a love for the ordinance in many ways4 ,we ought to make it convenient and pleasant by all the expedients within our power4 ,i like the practice which you speak of1 in your church1 of the mother remaining with the child in the anteroom till the introductory services and the loud organ-playing are over4 ,does your pastor pour water into the child's face and eyes1 and then begin the words of baptism8 ,i presume not2 but ,i have seen it done4 ,we should not touch the child's head till near the close of the baptismal formula2 and then so that the child will not see the arm move toward it4 ,much can be done by these simple expedients to promote a quiet and pleasant attendance upon the delightful rite4 ,i like the practice1 in your church1 of chanting low some appropriate words of ,scripture before and after the baptism4 ,i am constrained to say1 though with diffidence1 that ,i fear some of my good brethren give erroneous impressions by what they say of the church-membership of children4 ,they push it to extremes4 ,they discuss the question1 ,what shall be done with baptized children1 who1 on arriving at years of understanding1 refuse to enter into covenant with ,god8 ,church censures are asserted by some to be proper in such cases1 even to excommunication1 or interference in some judicial way by the church4 ,so long as ,i believe in regeneration by the ,holy ,spirit1 ,i cannot feel that baptized children1 as such1 are1 in any sense whatever1 in which the term is generally received among men1 members of the church of ,christ2 while1 in another and most important sense1 they do belong to the church1 hold a relation to it1 and are a part of it4 ,strictly speaking1 and in the highest spiritual sense1 they are not even the lambs of ,christ's flock2 for lambs have the nature of sheep2 but the children of believers are1 by nature1 children of wrath1 even as others4 ,and yet1 in another sense1 they hold a most important relation to the flock of ,christ1 as no other children do4 ,in its most important sense1 they are not to the church even what they are to the state2 they have no place whatever in the invisible church1--the church which is saved1--till they are born again4 ,if children are regenerated by the act of baptism1 of course it is otherwise2 but1 not believing this1 ,i am clear that the baptized child of a believer differs from any other unregenerate child1 who is not baptized1 only in this3 that ,god looks upon it with peculiar interest and love1 and that it is surrounded with special and peculiar privileges1 opportunities1 promises1 and hopes1 with regard to its being brought to repentance and saving faith in ,christ2 and by baptism it is initiated into special relationship to the people of ,god4 ,the church also has special duties with regard to it4 ,some of my brethren give great occasion to those who resist children's baptism1 to argue against it as ,romish in its nature and effect1 by not discriminating clearly in using the words members and membership in connection with children4 ,read almost any modern book against infant baptism1 and you will find that its main force is directed against the practice as a church and state institution1 and as making persons members of the church by means of sacraments4 ,let us who are really free from such imputation1 assert the truly spiritual nature and object of this ordinance4 ,i wish to see it divested of all that does not belong to it1 made eminently spiritual1 expressed in terms which cannot easily be misunderstood1 and appealing to the natural affections1 the understandings1 the consciences1 of spiritual men and women1 as1 in its sober and legitimate use1 ,god's great appointment1 from the call of ,abraham to the millennium1 for the increase and perpetuity of his church4#b ,footnote #b3 ,this subject is discussed by itself1 and more at large1 in another part of this book4 ,you are aware that the great question1 which has made most of the trouble in the ,christian church from the beginning1 relates to the meaning and use of sacraments and ordinances1 or what we call ,symbolism4 ,the tendency of the human mind1 even in ,paul's day1 as indicated by him1 with other things belonging to it1 under the name of the mystery of iniquity1 which doth even now work1 was1 to increase the number of sacraments and ordinances1 and make them bear an essential part in the work of regeneration4 ,the right to multiply or extend them1 and the claim that they possess a saving efficacy1 characterizes one great division of the professed ,christian church1 while those who are called ,protestants and the ,reformed1 regard them chiefly as signs2 though of these1 some seem to have much of that appetency after undue reliance on forms which ,paul seeks to correct in the ,epistle to the ,galatians1 while others go to an opposite extreme1 and undervalue the two divinely-appointed sacraments1 which they think have no efficiency as used by the ,spirit of ,god1 but only as signs used by us to represent something4 ,between these divisions of the ,christian church lies the battle-ground of great ecclesiastical controversies from the beginning1 as the ,netherlands were1 for a long time1 the battle-field of ,europe4 ,archbishop ,leighton seems to strike the balance between formalism and sacramental grace in ordinances1 as well as any writer1 in commenting on these words of ,peter1 ,the like figure whereunto1 even baptism1 doth also now save us4 ,he says3 ,thus1 then1 we have a true account of the power of this1 and so of other1 sacraments1 and a discovery of the error of two extremes4 7#a47 ,of those who ascribe too much to them1 as if they wrought by a natural1 inherent virtue1 and carried grace in them inseparably4 7#b47 ,of those who ascribe too little to them1 making them only signs and badges of our profession4 ,signs they are1 but more than signs merely representing2 they are means exhibiting1 and seals confirming1 grace to the faithful4 ,but the working of faith and the conveying ,christ into the soul1 to be received by faith1 is not a thing put into them to do of themselves1 but still in the supreme hand that appointed them2 and he indeed both causes the souls of his own to receive these his seals with faith1 and makes them effectual to confirm that faith which receives them so4 ,they are then1 in a word1 neither empty signs to them who believe1 nor effectual causes of grace to them that believe not4 ,let me make the distinction very clear to your mind1 for it is of great practical importance4 ,the mystery of iniquity in ,paul's time1 and since his day1 did not1 and does not1 consist in making too much of ,god's ordinances in their purity and proper use4 ,that cannot be done1 any more than you can intelligently love the ,bible too much1 or the ,sabbath4 ,but1 to pervert them1 or to make additions to them1 or to rely upon them wholly1 is ,romanism4 ,but can men make too much of having a seal on a deed8 ,is the deed good for anything without the seal8 ,can they make too much of having three witnesses to their wills8 ,those three witnesses1 instead of two1 make an otherwise worthless writing1 a man's last will and testament4 ,thus1 a true sign1 ordinance1 or seal1 among men1 has inherent efficacy of some sort4 ,shall we deny it to the ordinances and seals of ,heaven8 ,he who lays claim to the covenant1 but rejects the seal1 deceives himself4 ,they must go together4 ,but will you not think me older even than ,i claim to be1 because ,i am so garrulous8 ,i have many things to say1 but will not say them with pen and ink1 hoping to see you shortly4 ,farewell1 my dear daughter1 to you and your beloved husband1 with abundant kisses for your little namesake1 who1 ,i pray1 may be spared to you1 if ,god has any work for her to do on earth4 ,dedicate her sincerely and entirely1 beforehand1 to ,god1 and then in his house1 with baptism1 before the assembled brethren in ,christ2 and let your subsequent treatment of her be a repetition of the whole4 ,baptizing a child1 with right views and feelings1 leads to much prayer for it4 ,renew the consecration of your child daily1 in little1 sudden acts of prayer1 as well as in more deliberate offices of devotion4 ,thus surround it with an atmosphere of faith and consecration1 not forgetting the public transaction in which you covenanted with ,god1 before many witnesses1 for the child1 and ,he1 my dear daughter1 with you1 in its behalf4 ,for1 a covenant implies two parties2 and ,god is one1 and you are the other2 and ,jesus is the mediator1 who said of children1 ,of such is the kingdom of ,god4 ,he that came down from heaven1 had seen1 in heaven1 how largely that world is peopled with them4 ,of such is the kingdom of heaven4 ,peace be with you4 ,all send love4 ,your affectionate ,father4 ,chapter ,third4 ,,bertha',s ,,baptism4--,,chanting ,,at ,,baptisms4--,,public ,,and ,,private ,,baptisms4--,,week-,,day ,,baptisms4--,a ,,daughter',s ,,love4--,,baptism ,,of ,a ,,deaf-,,mute ,,infant4--,,fidelity ,,of ,a ,,baptized ,,child4--,,subjects ,,of ,,baptism4--,,the ,,mode4--,,improbability ,,of ,,immersion1 ,,in ,,the ,,new ,,testament4--,,on ,,being ,,buried ,,in ,,baptism4--,,new ,,version ,,of ,,the ,,scriptures4--,,our ,,division ,,into ,,sects4--,a ,,mother',s ,,plea ,,for ,,infant ,,baptism4 ,where is it mothers learn their love8 ,in every church a fountain springs1 ,o'er which th' eternal ,dove ,hovers on softest wings4 ,o1 happy arms1 where cradled lies1 ,and ready for the ,lord's embrace1 ,that precious sacrifice1 ,the darling of his grace6 ,,keble4 ,we took ,bertha to church when she was two months old4 ,the minister1 being fond of music1 had1 for some time1 requested the choir to chant select passages of ,scripture at baptisms4 ,so1 as we came up the aisle with the child1 the choir breathed out those words1 ,and ,i will establish my covenant between thee and me1 and thy seed after thee1 in their generations1 for an everlasting covenant2 to be a ,god unto thee1 and to thy seed after thee4 ,suffer the little children to come unto me1 and forbid them not2 for of such is the kingdom of ,god4 ,and he took them up in his arms1 put his hands upon them1 and blessed them4 ,and1 as we turned away from the font1 they added1 ,so shall he sprinkle many nations4 ,the ,lord shall increase you more and more1 you and your children4 ,but the mercy of the ,lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him1 and his righteousness unto children's children2 to such as keep his covenant1 and to those that remember his commandments1 to do them4 ,how ,i loved that choir1 and the congregation6 for1 many a face did ,i see bathed in tears1 and others beaming with smiles and love1 as1 with respectful1 half-turned looks1 they seemed to give us their blessing4 ,do you not think1 more than ever1 ,i said1 to the beloved grandmother of my child1 after church1 as we watched the little sleeper in her cradle1 that people lose very much in having their children baptized at home8 ,it makes a different thing of it1 she replied4 ,i felt that all the congregation loved ,bertha and you4 ,how many prayers you obtained for her and for yourselves1 which you would have missed by a private baptism6 ,besides1 ,i remarked1 ',god loveth the gates of ,zion more than all the dwellings of ,jacob4' ,i think that for that reason1 and on the same principle1 namely1 that he is more honored1 he regards our public dedication of children with more favor than a private baptism1 except1 of course1 where sickness makes the public service impossible4 ,but it is some trouble to mothers1 and no doubt many shrink from it4 ,the trouble is more in anticipation than reality1 she replied4 ,that pastor's room1 where they stay till the introductory services are over1 makes it more convenient and agreeable4 ,but all the trouble1 even if it were far greater1 is nothing compared with the satisfaction of having taken your offering and come into ,his courts4 ,you have paid your vows unto the ,lord1 in the presence of all his people4 ,you will remember those prayers1 those words of ,scripture which were chanted1 and your feelings as you took the child into your arms to be presented to ,god1 and as you heard those adorable names pronounced upon her and then received her back into your arms1 as it were1 from the hands of ,god4 ,what do you think1 said ,i1 of the practice of having children baptized in the church on a week-day8 ,it enables the parents to attend meeting on the ,sabbath with more composure than when they bring their children on the ,sabbath4 ,but ,o1 said she1 what is that1 compared with the privilege of bringing the child before the whole church of ,god1 in his house1 on the ,lord's day1 and so identifying its baptism with the most solemn acts of public worship8 ,i do not like those week-day baptisms4 ,where they have the communion lecture in the afternoon of a week-day1 there may be reasons of convenience for bringing the children for baptism then1 rather than on the ,sabbath2 but there is a great loss of enjoyment1 and also of impressiveness1 in the ordinance1 in doing so1 ,i think4 ,i was at a place1 several years ago1 when fourteen children were baptized on a ,wednesday afternoon1 in the church4 ,i went to see it1 but it was not solemn at all4 ,i could not help thinking what an impressive and useful sight that would have been on the ,sabbath1 before all the people1 and how much more good1 probably1 it would have done the parents1 even if they had given up half the ,sabbath in going and returning with the children4 ,if people1 said ,i1 thought more of the spiritual meaning and privileges of baptism1 and viewed it as they do in times of sickness and death1 they would think less of inconveniences and discomforts1 and see that the ordinance is something more than giving a child a name4 99 99 99 99 99 ,some time after this1 ,i called upon a cousin of ours1 a young married lady of our congregation1 who1 within a year1 had come to us from another place1 she having been married to an educated1 intelligent member of another congregation1 and who1 from his great love for her1 had come with her to our place of worship from another denomination1 this having been made a condition of their marriage4 ,for she felt that she could not be debarred the privilege of sitting at the ,lord's table with her mother1 three sisters1 and brother1 as she would be if she united herself with her friend's church4 ,the idea of going to any table of ,christ on earth where they could not come1 thus seeming to disfranchise her whole family whom ,christ had gathered into his fold1 and some of them into heaven1 did violence to her feelings4 ,at one time1 it seemed likely that the engagement of marriage would be terminated1 on this ground alone4 ,some one of the gentleman's persuasion1 who thought that she ought to follow ,christ in ordinances1 and take up her cross in this instance1 whispered to her that she was1 perhaps1 in danger of denying ,christ1 from love to her kindred1 and he said to her1 ,he that loveth father or mother more than me1 is not worthy of me4 ,this had the opposite effect from that which was intended1 for it showed her1 in the strongest light1 the error of supposing that love to ,christ could ever require her to separate from herself1 at the table of ,christ1 such friends of ,jesus as the members of her dear ,christian home1--a home which had been like that of ,bethany to many of the ,saviour's friends4 ,she felt more sure of being actuated by right motives in giving up her marriage1 and not withdrawing fellowship from her mother and the family1 than she would be in sacrificing that fellowship to gratify a new affection4 ,her next younger sister was baptized after the father's death4 ,she was a deaf-mute4 ,the mother was a very beautiful woman4 ,she had borne severe trials for her religion with a spirit of patience and ,christian propriety which won the love and esteem of the community4 ,she went to the altar of ,god1 a widow1 with the little deaf and dumb child1 and presented it for baptism4 ,it was as though the impending calamity of its father's death had shut up some of the senses of the child1 and ,god had placed it in the mother's hand as a silent memorial to her1 for life1 of his chastising love4 ,she left her fatherless flock in the family pew1 and went with her nursling1 not merely to give it to ,god1 but to receive for it the seal of his covenant1 bowing submissively to his inscrutable appointment1 and imploring the ,god of ,abraham to be still her ,god1 and the ,god of this her seed4 ,that scene had not failed to make deep impressions upon the other children2 and now it was proposed to one of them that she should1 by connecting herself in marriage1 disavow her mother's right to cling1 in those hours of anguish1 to that asylum of the fatherless1 infant baptism1--that very present help in trouble1 the covenant of ,god with believers and their offspring4 ,the little child1 moreover1 had become a ,christian1 and had sat with her sister1 side by side1 at the communion-table1 for several years4 ,forbid it1 she prayed with herself1 that ,i should go where ,i cannot be allowed to follow ,christ till ,i have separated this dear one from my side4 ,she once wrote a letter on the subject to the gentleman1 which he showed1 after their marriage1 to some of his friends4 ,there will be no impropriety in its appearing here4 ,it ran thus3 ,,my ,,dear ,,mr4 ,e43 ,though ,i am not willing to deny that ,roger ,williams was1 as you say1 raised up to illustrate some important principles1 and to help on the general cause of truth1 ,i must say that he strikes me as a very unreasonable man in much of his behavior4 ,our puritan fathers did not come to this wilderness with ,french1 atheistic1 idolatrous love for a goddess of liberty4 ,they came here1 it is true1 for liberty of conscience and freedom to worship ,god4 ,with a great sum they purchased this freedom4 ,but infidels could as well claim to be absolved by the laws from all recognition of ,god1 under the plea of liberty1 as ,mr4 ,williams and his friends could make his demands for toleration4 ,to insist that our fathers1 in their circumstances1 should have opened their doors wide to every doctrine1 and to the denial of everything professed by them1 is unreasonable4 ,they came here with an intense love for certain truths and practices1 which persecution had only served to make exceedingly precious to them4 ,to have proclaimed at once universal toleration of every wind of doctrine1 would have proved them libertines in religion4 ,because they did not so1 reproach is cast upon them by some1 who seem to me to be free-thinkers on the subject of religious liberty4 ,if other men wished to found a community with doctrines and practices adverse to those of the ,new ,england fathers1 the land was wide1 and it would have been the part of good manners in ,mr4 ,williams to have gone into the wilderness at once1 to subdue it and to fight the savages1 all for love and zeal for his own tenets1 instead of poaching upon the hard-earned soil of those who had laid down their all for what they deemed to be the truth4 ,it seems to me unphilosophical in some of our historians to reflect1 as they do1 upon our forefathers for not being so totally indifferent to what they deemed error1 as to allow it free course4 ,their strict1 and1 if you please1 rigid ways1 were the necessary defences of their principles1 which were just taking root here4 ,they did right in passing stringent laws to protect them2 and religious liberty was no more violated in doing so than is the liberty of our town's people here1 who1 by the law of the ,state protecting game1 cannot take fish1 or kill birds1 during certain seasons4 ,besides1 ,i never saw any proof that ,mr4 ,williams was himself the great apostle of toleration4 ,i remember reading to father1 during his sickness1 some remarks of the late ,john ,quincy ,adams1 in which he vindicates the ,new ,england fathers for banishing ,roger ,williams as a 'nuisance4'#c ,mr4 ,adams surely cannot be accused of bigotry1 nor of being an enemy to the cause of freedom2 and his remarks seemed to me more just than the eulogies1 by historians and orators1 of ,mr4 ,williams4 ,father once showed me an old book of ,mr4 ,williams's1 which we have now1 called ',george ,fox digg'd out of his ,burrowes1' in which ,mr4 ,w4 inveighs against the ,quakers for their want of 'civil respect1' and for using 'thee' and 'thou1' in addressing magistrates and others4 ,he says1 on the two hundredth page1 ',i have therefore publickly declared myself1 that a due and moderate restraint and punishing of these incivilities 7though pretending conscience7 is as far from persecution1 properly so called1 as that it is a duty and command of ,god unto all mankinde1 first in families1 and thence unto all mankinde societies4'--,it is also a matter of history that the colony settled by ,mr4 ,williams refused their franchise to ,roman ,catholics1 though even then the ,roman ,catholics of ,maryland were tolerating people of his own faith1 and ,quakers also4 ,mr4 ,williams always seemed to me like one of our pious1 zealous 'come-outers4' ,he even forsook his own denomination in three months after he had been baptized1 and for forty years denied the validity of their sacraments1 and the scripturalness of their churches and ministry4 ,such a man would even at this day be excommunicated by every society1 unless it were some association for the encouragement of radical notions of liberty4 ,i no more see in him the impersonation of religious freedom1 than in some other good people who go or stay where they are not wanted4 ,i am not disposed to deny that you and your friends1 with their principles1 of which you1 erroneously1 ,i think1 claim ,mr4 ,williams as the great exponent1 'have a mission1' as you say1 to perform2 but ,i do not feel called upon to join in it4 ,some of your writers seem to me--shall ,i say it8--a little too sure of having just the right pattern and patent-right in ordinances1 and somewhat too complacent in not being liked by other denominations1 and perhaps a little disposed to look for persecution4 ,now ,i was pleased with a remark of ,matthew ,henry's1 on ,mark #aj3bh1 that ',it is not the suffering1 but the cause1 that makes the martyr4' ,but we were brought up under different associations1 and cannot see just alike in all things4 ,i cannot1 however1 contradict1 by any step which my feelings would incline me to take1 the ,christian citizenship of those who are dear to ,christ1 and are so precious to me4 ,as much as ,i love you1 ,i think you should feel perfectly free to leave me in my happy home1 if you cannot allow me to retain my fidelity to my own conscientious convictions of truth1 and to the sacred rights of those whom nature and grace have conspired to make inseparable from my own ,christian hopes and joys4 ,footnote #c3 ,can we blame the founders of the ,massachusetts ,colony for banishing him from their jurisdiction8 ,in the annals of religious persecution is there to be found a martyr more gently dealt with by those against whom he began the war of intolerance2 whose authority he persisted1 even after professions of penitence and submission1 in defying1 till deserted even by the wife of his bosom2 and whose utmost severity of punishment upon him was only an order for his removal as a nuisance from among them8--,discourse before ,mass4 ,hist4 ,soc41 #ahdc1 pp4 #be-cj4--;,,ed4 ,the gentleman agreed to allow her the largest liberty1 and they were married4 ,he knew that she had a mind and heart that were more precious than rubies1 and that the heart of a husband could safely trust in her4 ,the sequel will show1 however1 how good it is to be matched as well as mated1 and1 in the conjugal relation1 to be perfectly joined together in the same judgment4 ,the object of my call1 that evening1 was to rejoice with her1 and to be the bearer of some congratulations at the recovery of their infant1 whose death had been expected for some time4 ,the child was now perfectly restored4 ,as ,i stood in the entry1 not having rung the door-bell1 and was hanging up my hat and coat1 some one in the parlor said3 ,what good can it do the child or us to sprinkle a little water on its head8 ,good-evening1 ,mr4 ,m41 said the husband1 as ,i went in4 ,i was interrupted in my expression of a fear that ,i had intruded upon their conversation1 by their assurances to the contrary4 ,i am glad you came in1 said ,mr4 ,kelly1 for perhaps you can help us4 ,you heard1 ,i suppose1 what ,i was saying as you came in4 ,if ,i am not mistaken1 ,mr4 ,m41 you yourself are not very strenuous about infant baptism1 for ,i have heard of your making inquiries on the subject4 ,not only have all my doubts been removed1 said ,i1 but the baptism of my child has been the source of the richest instruction and comfort4 ,i am glad to hear you say so1 said ,mrs4 ,k4 ,but1 said ,mr4 ,k41 you do not1 of course1 derive your warrant for it from the word of ,god4 ,that is our only guide1 you know4 ,there is no more authority in the ,bible for baptizing children than there is for praying to saints4 ,you are probably aware that the practice originated in the third century of the ,christian era4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,it originated with a man by the name of ,abraham1 ,i believe1 sir1 two or three thousand years before ,christ4 ,mr4 ,k4 ,o1 then1 you go to ,judaism for it6 ,mr4 ,m4 ,judaism comes to me with it1 and hands it over to me4 ,there was something good in ,judaism1 we all think4 ,judaism was not a ,mormonism1 as certain ways of speaking of it not unfrequently would make us think it to have been2 it was not an exploded folly1 but the form which the church of ,god bore for two thousand years4 ,but it began before ,judaism2 it is older than ,moses4 ,judaism received it from ,abraham4 ,it is like a great river rising in a desert place1 and seeming to lose itself in a lake1 but flowing out again into another lake1 and thence to the sea4 ,so ,judaism was only a great lake1 which took and seemingly held this river of baptism for a time1 but its current went on and flowed into another lake1 the ,christian dispensation4 ,but you cannot say that a river which makes a chain of lakes1 rises1 for that reason1 in the first lake4 ,no1 its head spring1 in this case1 was antecedent to the lake4 ,mr4 ,k4 ,did ,abraham or the ,jews baptize children1 ,mr4 ,m48 ,i answered1 ,every male child of ,abraham's descendants1 who should not receive the sign of consecration to ,god1 was to be cut off from among the people4 ,proselytes of the covenant and their children were baptized1 very early4 ,mr4 ,k4 ,but where is the command to apply baptism to children8 ,mr4 ,m4 ,where1 my dear sir1 is the command to discontinue that which was enjoined upon the founder of the race of believers for all time8 ,i believe in the perpetuity of ,abraham's relation to us as the father of the faithful1 as ,i believe in ,adam's relation to us as the representative of the race1 and in the ,saviour's relation to us as our representative4 ,god seems to love these federal headships1 as we call them4 ,abraham did not receive circumcision being a ,jew1 but1 as the apostle says1 as a seal of the righteousness which is by faith1 which he had while he was yet uncircumcised4 ,we have ,scripture for that1 ,mr4 ,kelly4 ,and the law1 which was four hundred and thirty years after1 did not disannul that covenant that was confirmed before of ,god in ,christ4 ,how can you call circumcision a ,jewish ordinance1 when the ,bible so explicitly denies it to be of ,jewish origin8 ,mr4 ,k4 ,o1 ,i do not understand this ,abrahamic covenant4 ,i take the ,new ,testament for my guide4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,you think well of the book of ,psalms1 ,i presume1 as a help to prayer and pious feelings8 ,mr4 ,k4 ,yes2 but in all matters of faith and practice1 the ,new ,testament1 like the doings of the latest session of the legislature1 is the rule for ,new ,testament believers4 ,you might as well have tried to govern the ancient ,jews with the ,new ,testament1 as enforce the laws of the ,old ,testament on us4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,is the privilege of having ,god stand in a special relation to my child an ,old ,testament ordinance1 in the same sense with ceremonial observances8 ,mr4 ,k4 ,not exactly that1 but it is a superstition to baptize children1 now that circumcision is done away1 and believers' baptism is enjoined4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,believers' baptism is enjoined1 but children's baptism is not therefore prohibited4 ,mr4 ,k4 ,but where is it enacted8 ,mr4 ,m4 ,if the original form of dedicating children is essential1 why is not the original form of the ,sabbath essential1 the very day which was first appointed8 ,how dare we change a day which ,god himself ordained from the beginning1 until he makes the change as peremptory as the institution itself8 ,have we any right to infer1 in such an important matter8 ,where is the express1 divine command1--not precedent1 example1 usage1 but where is the enactment1--making the first day of the week the ,christian ,sabbath8 ,mr4 ,k4 ,so long as we may keep the thing1 observing one day in seven1 it makes no difference which day we keep1 if we can all agree on one and the same day4 ,we do not all agree to retain circumcision in any way4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,so long as we may retain the thing signified by circumcision1 it makes but little difference what form is used to express it4 ,mr4 ,k4 ,the apostles1 who changed the ,sabbath from the seventh to the first day1 knew the mind of ,christ4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,and so the men1 who first practised infant baptism1 knew the minds of the inspired apostles1 and they knew the mind of ,christ4 ,but to go a step further back1 the only ground for inferring that the ,sabbath is rightly changed from the seventh to the first day of the week1 is the incidental mention of ,christ's meeting his assembled disciples a few times after his resurrection on the first day4 ,on that slight ground we are all content to rest our present observance of the ,sabbath4 ,now1 ,i say that the mention of the baptism of households eight times1 in one form and another1 is as good a warrant for infant baptism1 as those two or three ,sabbath-evening meetings were for the institution of the ,lord's-day ,sabbath4 ,mr4 ,k4 ,i cannot agree with you1 ,mr4 ,m41 in putting circumcision on the same level with the ,sabbath4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,i myself see a resemblance in the changes made in the two cases4 ,i have no wish to proselyte you to my views4 ,i have only answered your polite inquiries4 ,mr4 ,k4 ,o1 ,i know that2 we shall be good friends still2 but ,i see no grounds for baptizing children on the faith of their parents4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,we look at the thing from different points of view4 ,i see it as clearly as ,i see that the church of ,god is essentially the same in all ages1 with its variety of forms4 ,this matter of children's baptism is with me a spiritual thing1 and is independent of dispensations4 ,you know that a river may have1 in one district of the earth through which it flows1 one name1 and in another district another name1 while it is the same river4 ,now1 the divine recognition of believers' children1 as standing in a special covenanted relation with ,god1 is the headspring of infant dedication by the use of a rite4 ,the object of this recognition is1 that ,he may have a godly seed4 ,god does not perpetuate religion directly by natural descent1 it is true1 but he seeks to promote it by descent from a pious parentage1 and he therefore endows that parentage with special privileges and promises4 ,the inclusion of children with their believing parents has been the great means of perpetuating religion in the earth4 ,it is a stream which washed the shores of ,judaism under the name of circumcision2 now it washes the shores of the ,gentiles under the name of baptism4 ,for the ,saviour or the apostles to have reppointed infant dedication1 with the use of the cotemporary initiating ordinance1 would1 to my mind1 be as superfluous as for the allied powers to have agreed that the ,danube should still run through ,austria4 ,mr4 ,k4 ,your principle of interpretation1 ,mr4 ,m41 has brought in all the darkness which has covered the earth in the ,romish apostacy4 ,there will be no end to human inventions in religion1 if this principle prevails4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,but1 my dear sir1 there certainly has been an end at the very beginning2 for what inventions in ,protestant worship have non-prelatical ,pdobaptists made8 ,surely that practice has not been prolific of superstitions4 ,i often hear this alleged1 ,mr4 ,k41 and we are called ,romish and ,popish because we baptize infants4 ,but will it not be best for ,christian sects to allow each other entire liberty of conscience1 and not accuse each other of tendencies to ,romanism1 when all are zealously ,protestant8 ,here is a piece1 which ,i cut from a newspaper lately1 which describes the baptism by immersion of some females and others1 one ,sabbath in ,january1 the thermometer below zero1 a place being cut through the ice for the purpose1 and a boy watching with a pole to keep the floating ice from the opening4 ,shall ,i call this ,romish1 superstitious1 fanatical8 ,shall ,i say1 ,how can we1 consistently with such practices among ,protestants1 say anything about the doctrine of penances8 ,no4 ,i prefer to think that those who do these things are as good ,protestants as myself1 and ,i will not impeach their rigid adherence to their belief1 by imputing ,romish tendencies to their modes of worship and their ordinances2 for no people are further from ,romanism in their principles than they 7unless it be some of us ,pdobaptists1 ,mrs4 ,kelly74 ,mr4 ,k4 ,well1 there is no quarrelling with you2 but let me say that when another sect sees you employing an ordinance which has no warrant in the ,bible1--sprinkling water upon people1 on proper subjects and improper subjects for baptism1 when we know that the word baptize means to immerse1 and that believers only are properly baptized1--how can we be silent8 ,would you be silent if ,episcopalians should set up ,latin prayers1 or the confessional2 or the ,methodists turn their love-feasts into the old ,passover8 ,mr4 ,m4 ,we must tolerate the mistakes and errors of those who1 in the main1 are confessedly good1 and are conscientious in what we deem their errors4 ,when the noble array of great and good men in the ,episcopal ,low ,church1 and among the ,methodists1 fall into such mistakes as you have specified1 there will be opportunity for other ,christians to express themselves4 ,but you are rather rhetorical in your reasoning1 to compare the practice of infant baptism by ,owen1 and ,watts1 and ,doddridge1 and ,leighton1 and ,baxter1 and all like them1 with ,latin prayers and a return to the ,passover4 ,mr4 ,k4 ,there is not a case of sprinkling in the ,new ,testament4 ,you are too well-informed to deny this4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,mr4 ,k41 there is not one instance of baptism1 in the ,new ,testament1 where there does not appear to me to be an improbability of its having been administered by immersion4 ,by this time ,mrs4 ,k41 who had been called away to attend to her child1 returned1 and hearing my last remark1 said1 with a significant look at her husband3 ,we shall require you to prove that1 ,mr4 ,m4 ,most willingly1 said ,i4 ,do you think1 cousin ,eunice1 that the multitudes who came to ,john and the apostles to be baptized1 brought changes of raiment with them8 ,no1 said she2 and there were no conveniences for making a change of dress in those places1 ,i presume4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,were they immersed in the clothes which they had on8 ,mrs4 ,k4 ,that does not seem probable4 ,some of them1 at least1 had valuable garments1 we may suppose1 and few1 if any1 would wish to have their apparel wet through1 or to keep it on them1 if wet4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,they were not immersed without clothing1 of course1 promiscuously1 and1 therefore1 ,i believe that they were all baptized by sprinkling or pouring1 their loose upper garments allowing them to step into the water1 or very near it2 and ,john1 standing there 7and the apostles1 also1 when they administered baptism71 and laying on the water with his hand1 or1 which is not impossible1 with the long-accustomed bunches of hyssop4 ,the ,episcopal mode of administering the ,lord's ,supper1 enables me to conceive how baptism by sprinkling could be administered rapidly4 ,as six or more people are kneeling1 the ,episcopal minister gives each his portion of the bread1 and repeats the formula1 not to each one1 but once only while his hand is passing over the six4 ,so1 ,i imagine1 ,john repeated whatever form he had 7and the apostles theirs7 to companies1 while1 in rapid succession1 he applied the water to them4 ,it is impossible to account for the performance of such incredible labor as ,john must have undergone1 unless we adopt some such supposition as this1 or confess that ,john's baptism was1 throughout1 a miracle4 ,but the people said1 ,john did no miracle4 ,if the apostles sprinkled three thousand in this way1 by companies1 in one day1 as they could easily have done1 we can see how the same day there could be added unto them about three thousand souls1 even if added meant being baptized4 ,that the apostles had assistance in administering baptism at this early period1 is not probable4 ,they had not yet proposed to have helpers in taking care of the poor1 much less to share with them the first administration of ,christian baptism4 ,if any church were to require me to believe1 before admitting me to the ,lord's table1 that the apostles immersed three thousand people at the day of ,pentecost1 after nine o'clock in the morning1 in the midst of necessary labors1 and at that driest season of the year1 or in tanks1 ,i could no more believe it than ,i could confess that the earth is flat4 ,mrs4 ,k4 ,but ,john was baptizing in ,enon1 near to ,salim1 because there was much water there4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,much water1 in those countries1 was on a smaller scale than in ,north ,america4 ,they would have needed all the lake-shore or river banks that could be found1 to witness the baptisms1 and to pass in and out of1 or to and from1 the water1 conveniently1 while ,john stood to receive them in or near the water4 ,a fountain or small body of water would not have accommodated those multitudes2 not because the water would not suffice1 for a small running stream would be enough1 and would have afforded much water2 but think what inconvenience there would have been in baptizing a crowd around a small stream4 ,baptism by immersion1 among us1 though a few gallons of water only are needed1 is more conveniently done where there is much water2 because the spectators can spread themselves along the banks1 and then there is no confusion4 ,the most convenient and rapid way of baptizing multitudes by sprinkling would be1 for the administrator to stand in the water1 and let the people pass by him4 ,besides1 those multitudes who came to ,john's baptism needed much water for themselves and their beasts4 ,mrs4 ,k4 ,but the ,saviour went down into the water1 and came up out of the water4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,so did ,john1 in the same sense2 and so did both ,philip and the ,eunuch2 but ,john and ,philip did not1 therefore1 go under the water4 ,but ,mr4 ,kelly will tell you that down in to1 and up out of1 might as well have been translated to and from1 in the case of the ,eunuch4 ,if you insist that going down into the water involves immersion1 it follows that ,philip went under the water with the ,eunuch1 and there baptized him4 ,mr4 ,k4 ,we shall set those matters right in that new version of the ,bible which you were complaining of the last time ,i saw you4 ,down into1 and up out of1 are required by the word baptize1 which means immerse4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,no1 my dear sir1 not always1 even in the ,new ,testament4 ,the word had come1 even in the ,saviour's time1 to signify purification1 or consecration1 irrespective of the mode4 ,the ,pharisees1 in coming from the market-places1 except they wash1 eat not4 ,the word is baptize4 ,but they did not bathe at such times2 they baptized themselves by washing their bodies4 ,we read of the baptism of beds1 which was merely washing them4 ,the ,israelites were baptized unto ,moses4 ,there the word means1 simply1 inaugurated1 or set apart1 with no reference to the mode2 for1 they were not immersed1 but bedewed1 if wet at all2 they were not buried in that cloud1 for the other cloud that led them was in sight2 they were not buried in the sea1 which was a wall to them on either hand4 ,there is a good illustration1 it seems to me1 of the change in words from their literal meaning1 in the passage where ,christ is called the first-born of every creature4 ,he was not born first1 before all men1 but he has the preminence over all creatures1 as the first-born had among the children4 ,here is an illustration1 from the ,new ,testament1 of the way in which baptism may cease to denote any mode1 and refer only to an act of consecration4 ,as to that new version of the ,bible1 ,coleridge says1 that the state ought to be1 to all religious denominations1 like a good portrait1 which looks benignantly on all in the room4 ,so the ,bible now seems to look kindly upon all ,christian sects2 and1 for one1 ,i love to have it so4 ,but1 some of you1 good brethren1 who are in favor of this new version to suit your particular views1 are trying to alter the eyes of the portrait so that they shall look only on you1 and to your part of the room4 ,we think that you ought to be satisfied with the present kind look which you get from them4 ,there is one comfort--you will make a new picture to please yourselves1 and we shall keep the old portrait4 ,please do not be too severe on my husband for that mistake of his1 said ,mrs4 ,k42 ,i think that he is getting better of it1 in a measure4 ,mr4 ,k4 ,i will make you a present of the book when it arrives1 and1 perhaps1 you will agree with me4 ,but ,i am surprised to hear you say that you do not believe the ,saviour to have been immersed by ,john4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,it was not ,christian baptism1 at any rate1 if he were2 for the names of the ,trinity are essential to ,christian baptism1 and those names had not been thus applied4 ,besides1 ,john could not have plunged and lifted those thousands without superhuman strength and endurance1 which we know he did not possess4 ,the same reasoning applies1 in the baptism of the three thousand at the day of ,pentecost1 both as respects what ,i have said of raiment1 and the time and strength of the apostles4 ,the baptism of the ,eunuch was1 to my mind1 most probably by sprinkling1 making no change of raiment necessary4 ,see1 here is water1--a spring1 or stream1 by the road-side1 quite as likely 7and1 travellers now say1 more probably7 as a pond4 ,yes1 sir1 ,philip went down into the water just as much as the ,eunuch did1 if we follow the ,greek literally4 ,i think that down refers to the chariot1 the act of leaving it to go to the water4 ,but the ,english version1 as it now stands1 makes strongly for your view of the case in the mind of the common reader4 ,saul of ,tarsus was baptized after having been struck blind1 and while he was in a state of extreme exhaustion from excitement1 without food2 for1 during three days1 he did neither eat nor drink4 ,he was baptized before he ate2 for1 we read1 ,and he arose and was baptized2 and1 when he had received meat1 he was strengthened4 ,it does not seem to me probable that they would have put him into a river1 or tank1 before giving him food4 ,but it seems to me natural and suitable for ,ananias to draw nigh1 and impress the trembling man with the mild and gentle sign of ,christianity1 the rite giving a soothing and cheering efficacy to the words of adoption1 and in no way disturbing him in body or mind4 ,i have always regarded the baptism of ,saul as a strong presumptive proof with regard to baptism by affusion4 ,so with the midnight scene of baptism in the prison at ,philippi4 ,the preparation of one or more large vessels1 to immerse the household1 is not congruous with the circumstances narrated1 as ,i read them4 ,but the quiet and convenient act of baptism by sprinkling1 falls in harmoniously with the other parts of the transaction4 ,for my part1 ,i have always wondered how any one can fail to see that there are so many improbabilities of immersion in every case of baptism1 in the ,new ,testament1 as to counteract any weight which the word baptize carries with it1 more especially since the word and its derivatives are employed1 in the ,new ,testament1 in cases where the mode of using the water is evidently not intended4 ,mr4 ,k4 ,buried with him in baptism4 ,mr4 ,m41 you will confess that this is an impregnable proof-text4 ,you have never been buried with him in baptism4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,but ,i am risen with him1 ,mr4 ,k4 ,with all humility and tears1 ,i must say to you1 ,if any man trusteth to himself that he is ,christ's1 let him also think this with himself1 that as he is ,christ's even so also we are ,christ's4 ,your application of the passage1 just quoted by you1 disproves your interpretation of it4 ,if we must be buried in water1 when we are baptized1 then no one is risen with ,christ who has not been immersed4 ,you thus disfranchise four fifths1 to say the least1 of ,god's elect4 ,no1 my dear sir1 being buried with ,christ in baptism does not mean immersion4 ,people in the frozen ocean1 the sick and dying1 who are sprinkled with water in the name of the ,christian's ,god1 are buried with ,christ in baptism into death2 that is1 profess to be dead and buried to sin1 as ,christ was dead and buried for it4 ,besides1 follow out the passage1 and there is no allusion to the form of baptism1 as ,i can perceive1 but to something else4 ,buried with him by baptism into death2 that like as ,christ was raised1--from the water8--yes1 if water baptism be now in the writer's mind2 but no1--like as ,christ was raised from the dead1 by the glory of the ,father1 even so we also should walk in newness of life4 ,the word buried1 therefore1 in this passage1 refers to the completeness of the ,saviour's death for sin 7as we say intensively of a deceased person1 he is dead and buried71 and of the completeness of our renunciation of it4 ,we are dead and buried to sin1 as ,christ was for it2 and we rise to newness of life1 when we profess to be ,christians1 as ,christ rose from the dead1 not from the water4 ,mr4 ,k4 ,how is it with infants8 ,are they dead and buried to sin when they are baptized8 ,if being buried1 in this passage1 means being dead and buried to sin1 then infants are regenerated by baptism4 ,mr4 ,k4 gave his wife a pleased look1 as though he had placed me in a dilemma4 ,mrs4 ,kelly1 said ,i1 how do you suppose that nursing children ate the first passover8 ,i suppose that they ate it through the faith of their parents1 said ,mrs4 ,k41 looking narrowly into the stitches of her crochet-work1 to control a smile4 ,that passover1 however1 said ,i1 was the means of saving those children1 who1 many of them1 were the first-born in their respective families4 ,yet they were saved by the passover through the faith of their parents4 ,do not understand me as urging the comparison to an extreme2 ,i only say that there we have an example of parents acting for the child in a matter of faith4 ,the infant child was incapable of believing1 and even where the first-born was grown up1 the parent acted for him in the ordinance1 by sprinkling the door with blood4 ,i do not prove infant baptism by this1 but ,i use it to show that parents may use an ordinance for their infants4 ,mr4 ,k4 asks if baptized infants are buried with ,christ in baptism into death1--that is1 die unto sin and rise to newness of life4 ,the parents profess by the baptism that they will use means to effect this in their children1 through the grace of the ,holy ,spirit4 ,i should like to ask ,mr4 ,kelly if he believes that every person who is immersed1 is buried into death1 spiritually1 with ,christ1 or is actually dead to sin forever2 or1 whether it is only a profession of one's hope and intention4 ,for we have all known some1 who had been buried in water1 that did not prove to have died unto sin4 ,mr4 ,k4 ,of course it is a symbol2 and all we insist on is1 that ,paul must have had immersion in mind1 as the form of baptism1 when he spoke of being buried by baptism4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,when ,paul says1 ,i am crucified with ,christ1 do you suppose that the idea of a cross was in his mind8 ,did he intimate that sanctification is effected by a piece of wood1 with a transverse beam1 used as a gibbet8 ,or did he simply mean1 ,i am dead to the world1 and the world is dead to me1 yea1 and put to death 7not merely dying in a natural way71 through the power of the ,saviour's sufferings and death on my behalf8 ,the burial of ,christ1 following his death for sin1 and so completing the idea of dying1 is enough to have suggested the figure1 ,i think1 of our being not only dead with ,christ1 but buried with him1 by a ,christian profession2 that is1 we utterly cease from the world and sin1 professedly1 as ,christ not only died1 but went into the tomb4 ,but what does risen refer to in that passage1--the water or death8--from whence also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of ,god4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,why1 how do you understand it8 ,mr4 ,k4 ,i prefer1 if you please1 that you should answer4 ,many understand it thus3 ,you are buried in water1 to denote death to sin2 you are lifted up out of the water 7as ,christ was lifted up by the ,baptist71 to live a new life4 ,if this be so1 what is the operation of ,god1 which is spoken of there8 ,does it need any such operation for an immersed person to rise out of the water8 ,no1 my dear sir1 our interpretation makes plain and thorough work of the whole passage4 ,our idea of that controverted passage 7your great proof-text7 is this3 ,you1 ,christian professors1 were1 all of you1 baptized1 on profession of your faith2--when you made a ,christian profession1 you signified by it your dying unto sin1 as ,christ died for it1 so that1 ,i may say1 you were dead and buried to sin4 ,but1 as ,christ came to life again1 so you rose with him1 not to sin1 but to live a new life4 ,hear ,dr4 ,watts on the passage3 ,do we not know that solemn word1 ,that we are buried with the ,lord1 ,baptized into his death1 and then ,put off the body of our sin8 ,our souls receive diviner breath1 ,raised from corruption1 guilt and death2 ,so from the grave did ,christ arise1 ,and lives to ,god above the skies4 ,i do not believe that the mode of baptism is alluded to at all in this text4 ,mr4 ,k4 ,i cannot agree with you1 sir4 ,the contrary is perfectly clear to my own mind4 ,mr4 ,m41 said ,mrs4 ,kelly1 do you think that you and ,mr4 ,k4 would ever think alike on this subject8 ,never1 said ,i4 ,people almost always end where they began1 when they discuss this topic2 only they do not always leave off in such good-nature as ,mr4 ,k4 and ,i intend to do4 ,i never knew a person to change his views to either side1 unless he began as an inquirer1 and not as an advocate4 ,what is the reason1 said ,mrs4 ,k41 that good people are left to differ so about unessential things in religion1 when they all hold to the same way of being saved8 ,i suppose1 said ,i1 that1 as poor human nature is1 for the present1 more is effected1 on the whole1 by letting us divide into sects1 and giving us each some external or speculative discrepancies to excite our zeal4 ,it is a sad reflection upon us1 if this be so1 and our sectarian behavior illustrates that hardness of our hearts1 in view of which1 perhaps1 ,god suffers us to divide as we do4 ,but1 still1 you see how wisely ,god has ordained that good people shall not differ about essential things--that might be fatal to the success of his truth2 but they are left to divide about forms1 and ordinances1 and some doctrinal matters which do not involve the question of the way to be saved4 ,in that they all agree4 ,mrs4 ,k4 ,how pleasant it would be if they would all think alike6 ,mr4 ,m4 ,perhaps it might not be best at present4 ,they should tolerate each other's views1 meet and act together where they may2 but ,i do like to see a man heartily attached to his own denomination1 without bigotry4 ,i have not much partiality for those schemes of union which require and expect each sect to give up its peculiarities1 and which seek to amalgamate us4 ,it is unnatural4 ,let each be thoroughly persuaded of his own faith2--different temperaments and habits of thought are suited by different modes and forms2--but let us treat each other as ,christians1 and with urbanity and kindness4 ,that is the most sublime spectacle of union4 ,it comes nearer to fulfilling the prayer of ,christ1 that they all may be one1 when we differ strongly1 and yet keep the unity of the spirit4 ,i am doubtful whether1 even in heaven1 there will not be such innocent diversity of views about things successively beyond our knowledge or comprehension1 as to stimulate inquiry and discussion2 but that we shall ever be capable1 as we are here1 of alienation1 in consequence of these varying opinions1 is impossible4 ,mr4 ,k4 ,do you not think1 ,mr4 ,m41 that we shall all think alike about baptism in the millennium8 ,mr4 ,m4 ,i suppose that you expect that we shall all give up infant baptism4 ,but my expectation is that1 as we approach that day1 the last prophecy of the ,old ,testament will be as truly fulfilled as it was at the coming of ,christ1 and that the hearts of the fathers will be turned to the children1 and the hearts of the children to the fathers4 ,parental piety and discipline will be greatly promoted1 and an attendant of it will be1 ,i suppose1 a greater use of the ordinance of infant baptism1 demanded by the pious feelings of parents1 as pious feeling in the regenerate craves the ordinance which commemorates the love and sufferings of the ,redeemer4 ,the feelings of pious parents will require the ordinance of infant baptism1 as an expression of their earnest desire to have fellowship with ,god as the ,god of the believer and his offspring1 the covenant-keeping ,god4 ,it is to the increase and prevalence of this feeling that ,i look now for an increasing observance of infant baptism2 for1 without such feeling1 the ordinance is an empty name4 ,where that feeling exists1 it soon modifies the speculative views of a parent4 ,as our conscious need of an atoning ,saviour soon dispels the former difficulties about the doctrine of the ,trinity1 so a longing desire to have special covenanting with ,god for a dear child1 makes the subject of ,god's everlasting covenant with ,abraham1 as the great believer1 and the father of believers1 plain4 ,now1 before ,i forget it1 please let me tell you of an objection to infant baptism1 which ,i lately met with1 drawn from the effect of the prevalent practice of it in a community4 ,the objection is1 it prevents us1 in a measure1 from fulfilling ,christ's command1 ,go1 teach all nations1 baptizing them4 ,for1 going into the ,roman ,catholic or ,greek churches1 or an ,armenian country1 and making converts1 the missionaries cannot baptize them1 for1 alas6 they were baptized in infancy1 and to re-baptize is against the law of the countries4 ,now1 this seems to me no great calamity2 for if the converts themselves recognize their baptism1 and adopt it as profession of their faith1 it is like a man's acknowledging the hand and seal on an instrument1 made irregularly at first1 but now1 under competent circumstances1 declared to be equivalent to his own act and deed at the date of this declaration4 ,he would not need to re-write the document1 nor to use wax or wafers again1 except in witness of his acknowledging the original act4 ,though it be but a man's covenant1 yet1 if it be confirmed1 no man disannulleth or addeth thereto4 ,but1 however it may be in such countries and communions as ,i have named1 certainly it cannot be a calamity if the practice of infant baptism becomes such a spiritual and practical thing1 that young persons are generally converted1 so that adult baptisms disappear4 ,i love to notice1 when several persons join our church1 how few of them receive baptism1 showing that their baptism in childhood has been followed by conversion4 ,the fewness of adult baptisms1 with us1 compared with cases of infant baptism1 is a good sign4 ,they will be fewer and fewer1 in proportion as our parents make and keep covenant with ,god for their children4 ,mr4 ,kelly was at this moment called out1 but requested me to remain and finish the conversation with ,mrs4 ,k4 ,she resumed it1 saying3 ,had ,i better read any more on the subject8 ,my feelings lead me strongly to take our little one to church4 ,i feel that ,i should be strengthened by the solemn act of doing what the covenant of your church says1 'avouching the ,lord ,jehovah to be your ,god and the ,god of your children forever4' ,i do wish to feel that ,i have done something like bearing testimony before ,god1 in a special way1 that ,i give my child to him1 and engage ,god to be his ,god4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,i should candidly examine whatever ,mr4 ,k4 wishes you to read or hear on the subject1 and not be afraid of the truth1 let it lead where it may4 ,but what first made you think of baptizing your little boy8 ,mrs4 ,k4 ,i always loved the ordinance4 ,but1 when ,i thought that ,henry was going to die1 ,i was watching him all night1 and1 as ,i was praying1 it occurred to me that ,i wished ,i could see the church praying for him2 and that led me to think of the church praying for a child when it is brought into the house of ,god4 ,i felt that night that1 if ,i could speak to the pastor1 ,i would ask him to request the prayers of the church for him as for one who1 if he got well1 should be brought into the house of ,god1 and be publicly consecrated1 and ,i with him1 again1 as his mother1 to the ,lord4 ,i had given him and myself to ,god2 but ,i felt the need of some more special act1 on which ,i could fall back in my thoughts1 and of which ,god would graciously say to me1 ,i am the ,god of ,bethel1 where thou anointedst the pillar1 and where thou vowedst a vow unto me4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,how kind it was in ,god to remind ,jacob of that pile of stones1 and to call himself the ,god of ,bethel6 ,o1 how he loves marked exercises of consecration and love6 ,mrs4 ,k4 ,my husband always said1 ,let him offer himself for baptism when he grows up1 and understands the meaning of it4 ,i told him that when ,i was admitted to the church ,i was not baptized1 but ,i had this pleasant feeling1 that ,i had a baptism in infancy by my dear good mother to think of now1 and to seal by my own acknowledgment4 ,if ,henry had died without being baptized1 or should now be hindered from it1 ,i should never cease to grieve4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,you think1 however1 that he would be saved1 nevertheless4 ,mrs4 ,k4 ,o1 saved6 that is not all4 ,i do not think merely of his getting into heaven4 ,though we are saved wholly by grace1 is there not something implied in washing our robes1 and making them white1 in the blood of the ,lamb8 ,i do not believe in justification by works nor by sacraments1 yet ,i do believe in their wonderful effect1 through grace alone1 upon our character and future condition4 ,i do believe1 ,mr4 ,m41 that there is a difference between children whose parents1 impelled by love to ,god1 make public offering of their children to him1 with solemn vows1 and daily perform their vows1 treating their children as baptized in the name of the ,trinity1 and children whose parents either carelessly baptize them1 or feel no such spiritual desires for them as to seek the use of any public ordinance1 nor any special private consecration4 ,i believe that ,god regards them differently4 ,he has placed his mark on the baptized4 ,i must go with my son to ,god's house1 as ,hannah did1 and with her feelings4 ,how strange6 ,she prayed for that son1 and then1 as soon as he was weaned1 she gave him away to ,god2 for it is beautifully said1 you know1 ,and the child was young4 ,well1 ,i think ,i understand that4 ,i could leave ,henry in the temple1 if the service of ,god's house required him2 for1 when he was sick1 ,i gave him up to ,god1 and as long as he liveth he shall be the ,lord's4 ,how did cousin ,bertha feel about the baptism after your little boy died8 ,mr4 ,m4 ,it was often the chief topic of her conversation4 ,her father wrote a full statement of his views1 which helped her greatly4 ,we have read it over since we lost our child4 ,i will send it to you1 if you wish4 ,you can read it1 with ,mr4 ,k4's books1 and ,i wish you to show it to him if he cares to see it4 ,all this was done4 ,kind feelings prevailed2 there was not much discussion1 and1 one ,sabbath morning1 little ,henry ,kelly was brought to church4 ,but the mother was without the father4 ,he was called to a distant place on business2 but he allowed his wife to act her pleasure in the case during his long absence4 ,more of this in its place4 ,chapter ,fourth4 ,,is ,,there ,,only ,,one ,,mode ,,of ,,baptism8 ,were love1 in these the world's last doting years1 ,as frequent as the want of it appears1 ,the churches warmed1 they would no longer hold ,such frozen figures1 stiff as they are cold2 ,relenting forms would lose their power1 or cease1 ,and e'en the dipped and sprinkled live in peace2 ,each heart would quit its prison in the breast1 ,and flow in free communion with the rest4 ,,cowper4 ,opening my entry door1 on my return1 several faces looked out to welcome me1 all in the house having waited till a late hour1 with surmises as to the cause of my long absence1 and then all dispersed1 except the venerable1 and not yet aged1 grandmother of little ,bertha4 ,with her it was always pleasant to talk4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,have you had no company this evening8 ,i was in hopes that the ,moores would come in1 as they promised to do4 ,mother4 ,they have been gone nearly an hour4 ,mr4 ,moore wished to read husband's letter1 so ,bertha lent it to him4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,father will be glad to know how much good his letter is doing4 ,cousin ,eunice would be glad to see it1 and ,i wish to read it again1 for ,i find that ,i am likely to need more instruction1 if ,i am to discuss the subject as ,i did this evening with ,mr4 ,kelly4 ,mother4 ,was he at home8 ,i hope you did not get into a controversy about baptism2 for1 of all things1 nothing dries up religious feelings like that4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,the subject has taken too practical a hold upon my feelings to have that effect4 ,i find myself more and more led to believe that ,god gave his church an appointed form of baptism1 and that that form was sprinkling2 for ,i search the ,new ,testament in vain for a single case where immersion seems to have been practised4 ,i believe that1 under the operation of early tendencies1 of which ,paul writes to the ,thessalonians1 the church began to prefer immersion as more sensuous1 making a stronger appeal to the passions4 ,but ,i believe1 with the ,new ,testament for my guide1 that immersion was not practised by the apostles themselves4 ,the word baptize had1 even in the ,saviour's time1 to go no further back1 come to mean a thing done irrespective of the mode4 ,how would it sound1 ,i have an immersion to be immersed with1 and how am ,i straitened8 c4 ,are ye able to be immersed with the immersion that ,i am immersed with8 ,i believe that sprinkling was the original mode of ,christian baptism4 ,and it seems to me unlikely that ,god would appoint an ordinance1 and not appoint1 by precept or example1 the mode of it4 ,i believe that the mode of baptism was appointed1 as well as the rite itself1 and ,i see no instance of baptism in the ,new ,testament by immersion4 ,pouring1 whether more or less copiously1 has this probability in its favor1 in addition to the impression which the narratives make1 viz41 ,the ,lord's ,supper typifies the death of ,christ4 ,burying in baptism1 then1 would be superfluous2 it is more likely that the form of this other sacrament would represent something else1 and that is1 the ,holy ,spirit's cleansing influence1 because ,christ speaks of being born of water and of the ,spirit1 thus associating water with the ,spirit4 ,we moreover read of the water and the blood1 water thus being distinguished from blood4 ,now1 the ,holy ,spirit is always named in connection with being poured out4 ,we are baptized with1 not in1 the ,holy ,ghost4 ,it would do violence to our feelings to hear one speak of our being immersed in the ,holy ,spirit4 ,so that ,i fully believe in sprinkling as the original ,new ,testament mode of baptism4 ,and1 still1 ,i am inclined to agree with your friend1 the professor1 who spent ,new-year's evening with us1 and has just published a book on baptism4 ,mother4 ,what ground does he take8 ,mr4 ,m4 ,he writes somewhat in this way3 ,as to the mode1 ,i believe it to be unessential2 for it seems to me contrary to the genius of ,christianity to make a particular form of doing a thing essential to the thing4 ,what else is there in ,christianity1 if we are to except baptism1 in which modes are regarded or made essential8 ,it is not so1 he says1 with the ,lord's ,supper1 surely2 the upper room1 night1 sitting or reclining1 unleavened bread1 a particular kind of wine1 and all such things1 are not regarded by any as necessary to the ordinance4 ,it is very interesting1 he says1 to notice1 that1 whereas the old dispensation prescribed the mode of every religious act1 minutely1 and a departure from it vitiated the act itself1 ,christianity threw off everything like prescriptive modes altogether4 ,considering the attachment of the human mind to forms and ceremonies1 he knows of nothing in which ,christianity shows its divine origin and supernatural power more1 than in its sublime triumph1 so immediately1 in the minds of great numbers1 over forms and ceremonies4 ,we can hardly conceive1 he says1 what a revolution a ,jew must have experienced in giving up ,aaron1 and altars1 and times1 and seasons1 and all the minute regard for his religious ceremonies1 at once4 ,even if it were the original practice to baptize only by immersion1 he cannot think that ,christianity could have enjoined it as the only proper mode of applying water1 in signifying religious consecration4 ,bread and wine1 eaten and drunk decently and in order1 in any way whatever1 constitutes the ,lord's ,supper2 water1 applied to the person1 by a proper administrator1 in the name of the ,trinity1 constitutes ,christian baptism2 but1 had the ,new ,testament required us to recline1 and lean on one arm1 and take the ,lord's ,supper with the other arm1 insisting that this posture is essential to that sacrament1 or had it specified the quantity of bread and wine1 he thinks it would have been parallel to the uninspired requirement of a particular mode in applying the water in baptism4 ,baptize1 he further remarks1 it is said1 means immerse4 ,suppose that it does4 ,supper means a meal2 therefore1 one does not eat the ,lord's ,supper1 unless he eats a full meal2 for1 if baptize refers to the quantity of water1 supper refers to the quantity of food and drink in the other sacrament4 ,he then seems to exult1 and says1 ,i am glad that ,i am not in conscientious subjection to any mode of doing anything in religion1 as being essential to the thing itself4 ,mother4 ,what answer can be made to this8 ,mr4 ,m4 ,it is a very common ground1 and a convenient one1 to answer the argument from baptizo1 and the early practice of immersion in the ,christian church after the apostles4 ,no doubt the early ,christians satisfied themselves with this reasoning1 in departing from the apostolic practice of sprinkling4 ,but ,i prefer to adhere strictly to the ,new ,testament model4 ,there is no immersion there4 ,now1 is it allowable to depart from the original mode8 ,this could not be done in the first initiating ordinance of the church1--circumcision4 ,a departure from the prescribed rule would have vitiated the ordinance4 ,but1 does not ,christianity differ essentially from the former dispensation in this very particular1 that it does not make the mode of doing a thing1 essential8 ,yet1 it may be said1 ,human ordinances are all strictly binding in the very forms prescribed4 ,for example3 ,hold up your right hand1 says the clerk1 or judge1 to a witness2 you solemnly swear--4 ,let the witness1 instead of holding up his right hand1 if he has one1 and can move it1 capriciously say1 ,i prefer to hold up the left1 or to hold up both4 ,i wish to show that modes and forms are unimportant4 ,he would be in danger of contempt of court4 ,if so small a departure from the mode of swearing would not be allowed1 much less would he be permitted to kneel1 or to lie on his face1 unless he were some devotee4 ,no2 there is a prescribed form1 and he must yield to it4 ,it is also said1 that1 if there were cases in the ,new ,testament in which it were doubtful1 at least1 whether immersion were not practised1 we might argue in favor of mixed modes4 ,but immersion is baptism1 in my view1 because a person who is immersed is sure to get affused2 and1 affusion with water is all of the baptism which seems to me essential4 ,leaving those who first departed from the apostolic mode of baptism by sprinkling1 to answer for themselves1 no one1 of course1 will deny that those who conscientiously think that they ought to be baptized by immersion1 are acceptable with ,god1 as well as others who are of a contrary persuasion4 ,paul speaks of divers baptisms4 ,there began to be such in his day4 ,he speaks also of the doctrine of baptisms 7plural71 showing the same thing4 ,but ,i came near forgetting one thing1 which ,i wished to say1 which is1 that1 in reading the ,bible last evening1 ,i found a new encouragement in taking infants to the house of ,god4 ,mother4 ,i should like to hear anything new on that point4 ,i thought that everything had been exhausted which referred to that subject4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,i mean that it was new to me4 ,luke says that the parents of ,jesus brought him to ,jerusalem to present him to the ,lord1 and that1 arriving there1 they brought him into the temple to do for him after the custom of the law4 ,now1 ,i always carelessly thought that this meant circumcision4 ,mother4 ,of course it does2 ,i always thought so4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,no2 for he had already been circumcised1 when he was eight days old4 ,and when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child1 they called his name ,jesus4 ,then the next verse speaks of a subsequent act3 ,when the days of her purification were accomplished they brought him to ,jerusalem4 ,mary could not have come to ,jerusalem on the eighth day2 but1 on the second occasion1 she was present2 for ,simeon addressed her4 ,so that we have the example of the infant ,saviour1 in bringing our infants into the temple2 and1 if we are scrupulous as to following the ,saviour in ordinances1 we may as well begin by following him into the temple1 with our infants4 ,mother4 ,it is beautiful to think of ,jesus1 even in his infancy1 as an example1 and that he was forerunner to the infants of his people1 while yet in his mother's arms4 ,chapter ,fifth4 ,,scenes ,,of ,,baptism--,,henry ,,kelly4--,,the ,,young ,,parents ,,and ,,their ,,babe4--,,the ,,lost ,,mariner',s ,,family4--,,the ,,feeble-,,minded ,,youth4--,,the ,,reasonableness1 ,,power1 ,,and ,,beauty1 ,,of ,,children',s ,,baptisms4--,,husbands ,,should ,,come ,,with ,,their ,,wives ,,and ,,children4--,,moses ,,in ,,the ,,inn4 ,since1 ,lord1 to thee ,a narrow way and little gate ,is all the passage2 on my infancy ,thou didst lay hold1 and antedate ,my faith in me4 ,,george ,,herbert4 ,the parent pair their secret homage pay1 ,and proffer up to ,heaven the warm request1 ,that ,he1 who stills the raven's clamorous nest1 ,and decks the lily fair in flowery pride1 ,would1 in the way his wisdom sees the best1 ,for them and for their little ones provide1 ,but chiefly in their hearts1 with grace divine1 preside4 ,,burns4 ,in all men sinful is it to be slow ,to hope3 in parents1 sinful above all4 ,,wordsworth4 ,in a few ,sabbaths from this time we had a most interesting scene at our church4 ,little ,henry ,ferguson ,kelly was brought1 and offered up in baptism by his mother4 ,we all felt deep respect for her as a woman of decided character1 and a devoted ,christian4 ,we saw that she wept much during the service4 ,the father was not there4 ,she held the little boy upright on her arm1 and he turned his face over her shoulder1 looking all about the church1 above and below4 ,he then undertook to apply his little palm to his mother's cheek1 with several decided strokes1 to rouse her usual attention1 which he seemed to miss4 ,she took his hand in hers1 and held it1 and he then rested his cheek1 and his chin1 alternately1 upon her shoulder4 ,a sweet little girl1 two months old1 was also brought by a young couple to be baptized4 ,few things are more interesting than the sight of a young couple1 with their first-born child1 standing before ,god4 ,a world of thought and feeling passes through their minds in those hallowed moments4 ,not much more than a year had gone since they stood before ,god to take the vows of marriage from those same lips1 perhaps1 which now lead their devotions1 and bless them out of the house of the ,lord4 ,the little child is an offering which gathers about itself more of rich joy and gratitude1 recollection1 present bliss1 and anticipation1 than any gift of ,god2 it is itself an ordinance1 a little rite1 a sign and seal of covenants and love to which earth has no parallel4 ,the light of nature almost teaches us the propriety of infant dedication1 in the use of the prevailing religious rite4 ,the only wise ,god manifested his goodness and wisdom1 in establishing his covenant with the children of those who love him1 as really as in creating a companion for ,adam4 ,there were other sights1 on this baptismal occasion1 besides ,henry ,ferguson and his mother1 and the young couple with their child4 ,a woman1 in the habiliments of the deepest mourning1 went up the aisle1 leading with her finger a little boy between two and three years old1 followed by a noble son of fifteen1 and his sister of twelve4 ,our pastor's rule1 as to the limit of age within which children may be admitted to baptism1 is this3 ,so long as a parent1 or guardian1 or next friend1 has the immediate tutelage of a child1 so as to direct its instruction and government1 and thus continues to exercise parental authority1 he may properly offer the child for baptism2 and therefore1 as children differ as to degrees of maturity within the same ages1 no express boundary of time can be prescribed to limit those baptisms which are by the faith of another4 ,the father of these three children had been lost at sea on a whaling voyage4 ,the seaman's chest had come home1 and so the last star of hope as to his return had set4 ,the mother had become a ,christian2 she felt the need of a covenant-keeping ,god for her children4 ,there she stood1 a sorrow-stricken woman1 and her household with her1 to receive for them the sign of the covenant from the ,god of ,abraham4 ,there was another sight in that group3 ,a man and woman1 honest1 good people1 in humble circumstances1 had had bequeathed to them1 by a widowed sister of his1 who was not a professor of religion1 a feeble-minded youth of about ten years2 and this uncle and aunt had adopted him as their child4 ,they also came1 the husband leading the boy along1 with his arm over the boy's shoulder to encourage his hesitating steps1 and the wife behind them4 ,he was a member of a ,sabbath-school class2 by no means an idiot1 yet deficient in some respects4 ,he was entrusted with affairs about a farm which did not require much responsibility4 ,little ,henry ,ferguson began to coo and crow1 as they came successively and stood1 in a half-circle1 round the table with the silver basin upon it4 ,the feeble-minded youth was mostly occupied with the actions of ,henry1 who1 on seeing his face covered with uncontrollable expressions of interest in him1 began to reach after him1 and respond to his pleased looks2 nor did he cease his efforts to go to him1 till he felt the minister's hand upon his forehead from behind1 when he turned his large1 beautiful eyes into the face of the minister1 with silent wonder at being apparently spoken to with so unusual a manner and tone4 ,a hush went through the congregation4 ,the young couple next presented their little ,alice1 and gave place to the widow's household4 ,was there a dry eye in the house8 ,signs of weeping came from all sides4 ,mortimer was led by his arm in his mother's hand1 and was baptized4 ,sarah loosened her straw bonnet1 and let it fall back from her head1 to receive the simple rite2 when the widow lifted the little boy1 who had never known a father's love1 and the pastor1 after waiting a moment to control his emotions sealed him in the name of our redeeming ,god4 ,after an involuntary pause for a few moments1 owing to the deep emotion in the congregation1 poor ,josey was led forward4 ,minister and congregation seemed to make but slight impression upon him2 ,henry ,ferguson was the charm throughout2 he even turned his head1 while the minister's hand was on it1 to smile at the child4 ,the promise was not only to those believing parents1 all of them1 and to their own children1 but to him that was afar off2 his new parents having availed themselves of the large covenant of grace1 to invoke its promised blessings upon him1 on the ground of their faith4 ,may these parents1 said the pastor in his prayer1 remember1 in all times of solicitude and trouble with this dear dependent child1 that the ,holy ,spirit1 the ,comforter1 in whose name he is baptized1 can have access to his mind1 'making wise the simple2' and may that blessed ,spirit make him his care4 ,part of the time1 while the hymn following the baptism was read and sung1 ,i found myself pursuing some thoughts which the interesting scene just witnessed had suggested4 ,why1 ,i asked myself1 could not these parents have been satisfied with dedicating these children at home1 without this public and special act of consecration8 ,i was at no loss for an answer4 ,the same reason applies as when one seeks admission to the church of ,christ1 by a public profession of religion1 either by appearing before a congregation and assenting to a covenant1 or to be confirmed1 or to be immersed in water4 ,offering a child in baptism is making a public profession of religion with regard to it4 ,some say to us1 ,what need is there of joining a church8 ,why may ,i not be a ,christian by myself8 ,we know what we say1 in reply to such questions4 ,we are aware how much the public act helps the private feelings and conduct1 besides being required by our feelings when they are deep and strong4 ,i thought of this illustration3 ,in the wakeful moments of the night1 upon a lonely bed1 one feels a special nearness to ,god4 ,he can think of ,god1 as he lies upon his pillow1 both with prayer and meditation2 but suppose that he rises from his bed and kneels at the bedside1 and1 with oral prayer1 prevents the night-watches1 and cries8 ,his voice at that midnight hour affects his mind2 the darkness and stillness impress him with a sense of the presence of ,god1 and though his ejaculations on his pillow were acceptable1 has he not probably done that which1 through ,christ1 is peculiarly acceptable to ,god1 and is profitable to himself as his child8 ,he who was always in communion with the ,father1 the man ,christ ,jesus1 nevertheless1 sometimes withdrew into a mountain1 and continued all night in prayer1 and1 rising up a great while before day1 he went into a solitary place1 and there prayed4 ,these special acts of worship1 no true ,christian needs to be told1 are good and acceptable to ,god1 and profitable for men4 ,we do not refrain from them1 pleading that they are nowhere commanded in the ,new ,testament1 or1 that1 so long as we pray at stated times1 or strive to live in a praying frame1 these special devotions are superfluous4 ,so1 while it is our duty and privilege to dedicate our children to ,god in private1 it is acceptable to him1 and profitable to us1 if we take them1 and bring an offering1 and come into his courts4 ,the baptism of the feeble-minded youth furnished me with an illustration of the suitableness of parents and guardians doing for children1 in religion1 that which they are constantly doing for them in common things1 that is1 conferring privileges and blessings upon them without their consent4 ,there seemed to be such an illustration of the riches of free grace1 in the baptism of this poor child1 such a comment on that passage1 ,i am found of them that sought me not1 it corresponded so much with the kindness and love of ,god our ,saviour towards man1 that we all felt instructed and softened by it1 and1 at the same time1 we all had feelings toward that helpless boy1 such as we1 perhaps1 never could have had but for his baptism4 ,never will a member of that witnessing congregation see him1 without a feeling of tenderness and something bordering on respect2 he will not be merely ,silly ,joe to them2 that element of truth in the heathen superstition1 which leads heathens and pagans to regard an idiot as something sacred1 will have its verification with regard to him2 the children of that assembly will be restrained from rudeness and cruelty1 in their sports with him1 by that transaction1 while the prayers offered for him at the time1 and the many ejaculations which the sight of him will occasion in the hearts of good people1 will make his baptism one of his richest blessings4 ,o1 what a loss it is to have a child baptized at home1 or anywhere and at any time except among the public services of the ,sabbath in the sanctuary of ,god6 ,necessity1 indeed1 controls our choice1 many times1 in this thing2 and we are accepted of ,god irrespective of time and place1 in yielding to his providence4 ,since my mind has been deeply interested in this subject1 leading me to converse with parents and with ministers1 and to make observation with regard to it1 ,i have seen and heard many things relating to the providences of ,god1 in connection with the baptism of children1 which1 while we ought to be slow in confidently interpreting providences1 make us do as ,mary is said to have done1 in regard to things relating to her child1--she kept these things and pondered them in her heart4 ,we cannot say1 for example1 that the death of that little girl1 whose father refused to let his wife enjoy the privilege of going1 alone1 with the child1 to the house of ,god for baptism1 or to invite the pastor to his house for the purpose1 was a judicial consequence of his conduct2 but we know that his own thoughts trouble him1 and that he has a sorrow bound upon his heart1 which he will carry with him to his grave4 ,neither is it certain that the little one1 who was raised to life from a sickness which baffled the physicians1 was spared to her pious mother for her ,christian behavior1 in taking it1 a few months before1 to the house of ,god1 and offering it in baptism1 with no help from her husband1 but with many sad thoughts that the father of the child--he on whose arm she and the child needed to rest--refused her gentle and affectionate pleadings with him1 to support and cherish her at an hour so precious to her heart4 ,nor will we say that the kind and obliging husband1 not a professor of religion1 who served his wife so manfully1 and with such a cheerful spirit1 on such an occasion1 would not have acquired1 in other ways1 the respect and love of the people1 or that he could trace to it1 absolutely1 great prosperity in business1 through the assistance of prominent members in that church4 ,sure we are that no such motive influenced him2 but it is equally true that we cannot link ourselves to ,god's service1 nor to his friends1 in any way1 without receiving his blessing4 ,come thou with us1 and we will do thee good4 ,blessed is he that blesseth thee4 ,in the eyes of estimable people1 and of all whose good opinion and best wishes are most desirable1 the man who overcomes any little pride1 or sensitiveness1 or fear of man1 and goes with his pious wife and child to the house of ,god1 and offers the child1 for her1 to be baptized1 is more of a man than before1 gains reputation for some desirable qualities1 excites respect for self-reliance1 the quiet performance of a duty from which certain feelings might lead him to shrink1 and in the increased love and esteem of others1 to say no more1 he has his reward4 ,god was angry with ,moses for delaying1 if not neglecting1 to circumcise his child4 ,his wife was a ,midianite2 her associations with the ordinance were not like those of ,moses1 and perhaps he had yielded too much to her known feelings4 ,at least1 the child had not been circumcised1 and we are told1 ,the ,lord met him in the inn1 and sought to slay him4 ,some accident there1 or a sudden and alarming illness1 made him feel that ,god had a controversy with him4 ,zipporah was not slow to interpret the providence4 ,if ,moses had said with himself1 ,so long as ,i consecrate my child to ,god by prayer1 the seal of the covenant cannot be essential1 ,god taught him his mistake4 ,as soon as the rite had been performed1 we read1 ,so he let him go4 ,it may be noticed1 here1 that the unworthy manner in which ,zipporah performed the rite1 did not make it invalid4 ,they who fear that their baptism was not solemnized1 in all respects1 as it should have been1 may draw instruction and comfort from this narrative4 ,there have been instances1 within my knowledge1 in which one or both of the parents of a child have yielded to some untoward influences1 and have withheld the child from being baptized4 ,while ,i cannot1 and would not1 interpret certain events connected with this omission1 on the part of some from whom better things might have been expected1 nothing has ever impressed me more than the dealings of ,god with such parents4 ,i have been made to think by such coincidences1 more than once or twice1 of ,moses in the inn4 ,it will not be amiss to say1 that those who are neglecting to bring their children for baptism1 within a suitable time1 unless providentially hindered1 will do well to examine their feelings and motives1 with that quickened conscience1 which the solemn providences of ,god toward them may be intended to excite4 ,he is a jealous ,god2 and he keepeth covenant to a thousand generations4 ,chapter ,sixth4 ,,testimony ,,of ,,the ,,christian ,,fathers ,,household ,,baptisms4--,p,,dobaptist ,,concessions4--,,thomas ,,shepard',s ,,views4 ,,baptism ,,of ,,his ,,child4 ,,the ,,father',s ,,record4--,,great ,,influence ,,of ,,the ,,family ,,relation ,,in ,,heathenism ,,and ,,paganism4--,,the ,,young ,,people ,,of ,,america4--,,dissuasive ,,from ,,altercation4--,,questions ,,to ,a ,,minister ,,on ,,his ,,practice ,,in ,,baptisms4--,,liberality4--,,paul ,,an ,,example4 ,lord1 thou hast been our dwelling-place in all generations4--,ps4 #ij4 ,the ,lamb hath but one bride1 the one church of all times4--,,anon4 ,that your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men1 but in the power of ,god4--,,the ,,apostle ,,paul4 ,schoolmen must war with schoolmen1 text with text4 ,the first's the ,chaldee paraphrase2 the next ,the ,septuagint2 opinion thwarts opinion2 ,the ,papist holds the first1 the last the ,arminian2 ,and then the ,councils must be called to advise1 ,what this of ,lateran says1 and that of ,nice2 ,the slightly-studied fathers must be prayed1 ,although in small acquaintance1 into aid2 ,when1 daring venture1 oft1 too far into 't1 ,they1 ,pharaoh like1 are drowned1 both horse and foot4 ,,francis ,,quarles4 ,being determined to possess myself of suitable information on the subject of baptism as practised by the early ,christian fathers1 ,i called the next evening to see my pastor1 when the following conversation took place3 ,mr4 ,m4 ,i wish1 sir1 to know the plain and simple truth about the evidence from ecclesiastical history with regard to infant baptism4 ,the internal evidence1 confirming the scriptural argument1 fully satisfies me1 yet1 as a matter of interesting information1 ,i should like to know how it was regarded in the age next to that of the apostles4 ,you know we often read1 and hear it said1 that infant baptism is an error which crept into the ,christian church about the third century4 ,now1 did it creep in2 or did the apostles practise it8 ,dr4 ,d4 ,if infant baptism crept into the church1 and if it be an unauthorized innovation1 one thing seems very strange1 that1 in this ,protestant age1 when we are all so jealous of ,romish and all human inventions in matters of religion1 the ablest and soundest men of all ,christian denominations but one1 are firmly persuaded of its scriptural authority1 and are increasingly attached to it4 ,in the great reformations which have arisen from time to time1 this practice would have been swept away1 had it been an error4 ,it is more than we can believe that ,protestant denominations should all1 with one exception1 adhere to an unscriptural practice1 at the present day especially4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,well1 sir1 leaving the scripturalness of the ordinance out of question1 what support does the practice get from church history8 ,how far back to the times of the apostles can we trace it8 ,did any practise it who could have received it from the apostles1 or have known those who did8 ,dr4 ,d4 ,you must come with me into my study1 and we will examine the authorities4 ,i will not burden your attention and memory with many citations4 ,two or three indisputable witnesses are better than a host4 ,i rely chiefly on the testimony of ,,origen for proof that the practice of infant baptism was derived from the apostles1 though ,i will show you that his testimony is confirmed by other witnesses4 ,,origen was born in ,alexandria1 ,egypt1 ,a4,d4 #ahe1 that is1 about eighty-five years after the death of the apostle ,john4 ,to make his nearness to the apostles clear to your mind1 consider1 that ,roger ,williams1 for example1 established himself at ,providence in #afcf1 say two hundred and twenty years ago2 yet how perfectly informed we are of his opinions and history4 ,but ,origen1 born eighty-five years only after the death of ,john1 knew1 of course1 the established practices of the apostles1 which had come down through so short a space of time4 ,his grandfather1 if not his father1 must have lived in the apostles' day4 ,it was not1 therefore1 necessary for him to go out of his own family1 to learn what was the practice of the apostles4 ,he knew whether he had himself been baptized1 if we may judge from his writings1 and he must have known the views of his father and grandfather on the subject4 ,he had the reputation of great learning1 had travelled extensively1 had lived in ,greece1 ,rome1 ,cappadocia1 and ,arabia1 though he spent the principal part of his life in ,syria and ,palestine4 ,i would place implicit reliance on the testimony of such a man1 under such circumstances1 to any question of history with which he professed to be familiar1 even if ,i differed from him in matters of opinion4 ,but such a man would not state1 for veritable history1 that which the world knew to be false4 ,now1 what is ,origen's testimony as to the fact1 simply1 of the apostolic usage with regard to infant baptism8 ,in his commentary on the ,epistle to the ,romans1 ,book v41 he says3 ,for this cause it was that the church received an order from the apostles to give baptism even to infants4 ,in his homily on ,lev4 #ab1 he says3 ,according to the usage of the church1 baptism is given even to infants1 when1 if there were nothing in infants that needed forgiveness and mercy1 the grace of baptism would seem to be superfluous4 ,in his homily on ,luke #ad1 he says3 ,infants are baptized for the forgiveness of sins4 ,it was the practice1 then1 in ,origen's day1 to baptize infants4 ,he tells the people of his day1 to whom he preaches and writes1 why it was that the church had received a command from the apostles to baptize them1 not proving to them the fact of history1 but1 taking that as well known1 explaining the theological reason for it1 as he understood it4 ,it is now #aheg4 ,eighty-five years ago1 the length of time after the apostles to the birth of this man1 brings us back to #aggb4 ,there is good ,dr4 ,sales1 who was born in #aggj4 ,suppose that he should say that steamboats came from ,england at the time that the ,hudson river was discovered1 and that they had plied there ever since8 ,no man in his right mind 7not to say a scholar like ,origen71 however singular his opinions1 would assert1 for veritable history1 that which was as palpably false as such a fiction respecting steamboat navigation upon the ,hudson would be4 ,yet ,origen asserts that the practice of infant baptism was received directly from the apostles4 ,everybody could contradict him if he were in error4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,but we know that he was in error in saying that forgiveness of sins was a consequence of baptism4 ,dr4 ,d4 ,very well4 ,the erroneous opinions1 or practices1 of men1 with regard to the shape of the earth1 did not prove that there was no earth in their day4 ,on the contrary1 their theories and speculations are proof1 if any were needed1 that the earth then existed1 surely4 ,a man who boldly advocates a theory1 fears to assert for fact that which all the world knows to be false4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,if infant baptism were then practised1 and had been received from the apostles1 why should ,origen assert it in his books1 and in preaching1 since everybody must have known it sufficiently4 ,does not this prove that it was not generally believed8 ,dr4 ,d4 ,why1 my dear sir1 am ,i not every ,sabbath telling how that ,christ died for our sins according to the ,scriptures8 ,people do not need to be informed of it as a truth of history1 but they need to be reminded of it1 and to be exhorted in view of it4 ,so of every doctrine1 and everything connected with religion4 ,we tell the plainest1 the most familiar1 truths to our church-members1 continually2 and the common repetition of those truths is1 rather1 a proof of their general acceptation than otherwise4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,in a court of justice1 such testimony as that of ,origen would certainly be conclusive1 in the case of a patent-right1 or maritime discovery4 ,but you said that there were other testimonies of equal weight4 ,dr4 ,d4 ,,tertullian was born at ,carthage1 not far from ,a4,d4 #aej1 that is1 about fifty years after the apostles4 ,he wrote1 therefore1 within a hundred years of the apostle ,john4 ,but he was a man of peculiar views1 extravagant in his opinions1 an enthusiast in everything4 ,he proves that the practice of infant baptism was established1 by arguing against the expediency of baptizing children1 and unmarried persons1 lest they should sin after baptism4 ,his argument1 with respect to both these classes of persons1 is the same4 ,his language is1 ,if any understand the weight of baptismal obligations1 they will be more fearful about taking them than of delay4 ,he argued that baptism should be deferred till people were in a condition to resist temptation4 ,these are his words3 ,therefore1 according to every person's condition1 and disposition1 and age1 also1 the delay of baptism is more profitable1 especially as to little children4 ,for why is it necessary that the sponsors should incur danger8 ,for they may either fail of their promises by death1 or may be disappointed by a child's proving to be of a wicked disposition4 ,our ,lord says1 indeed1 ',forbid them not to come to me4' ,let them come1 then1 when they are grown up2 let them come when they understand2 let them come when they are taught whither they come2 let them become ,christians when they are able to know ,christ4 ,why should their innocent age make haste to the forgiveness of sins8 ,men act more cautiously in temporal concerns4 ,worldly substance is not committed to those to whom divine things are entrusted4 ,let them know how to ask for salvation1 that you may seem to give to him that asketh4 ,it is for a reason no less important that unmarried persons1 both those who were never married1 and those who have been deprived of their partners1 should1 on account of their exposure to temptation1 be kept waiting1 c4 ,as these extracts prove that the institution of marriage existed in ,tertullian's day1 so they prove the existence then of infant baptism4 ,nothing can be more conclusive4 ,how pertinent and useful to his object would it have been1 could he have assailed the practice of infant baptism as a human invention6 ,he would not have failed to use that line of attack1 had it been possible4 ,now1 as certain articles in the newspapers1 in a distant part of the country1 remonstrating against the street-railroads1 for example1 prove that street-railroads exist there1 so does ,tertullian's argument against infant baptism prove that it was practised within one hundred years after the apostles4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,is not this stronger1 if anything1 than ,origen's testimony1 being so much nearer the apostolic age8 ,dr4 ,d4 ,for that reason it may have more weight2 but ,origen's testimony1 being direct and positive1 is most easily quoted4 ,he was near enough to the apostolic age for all the purposes of credible testimony4 ,there is another historical testimony1 if you wish to hear of more1 which has great weight4 ,,the ,,council ,,of ,,carthage1 one hundred and fifty years after the apostles1 and composed of sixty-six pastors1 has given us full testimony on the subject4 ,a country presbyter1 by the name of ,fidus1 had sent two cases for their adjudication4 ,one was1 ,whether an infant might be baptized before it was eight days old8 ,here is the answer3 ,,cyprian1 and the rest of the presbyters who were present in the council1 sixty-six in number1 to ,fidus our brother1 ,greeting3 ---- ,as to the case of ,infants3 whereas you judge that they must not be baptized within two or three days after they were born1 and that the rule of circumcision is to be observed1--we are all in the ,council of a very different opinion4 ,this1 therefore1 was our opinion in the ,council1 that we ought not to hinder any person from baptism1 and the grace of ,god4 ,and this rule1 as it holds for all1 is1 we think1 more especially to be observed in reference to infants1 even to those who are newly born4 ,this was written1 within a hundred and fifty years from the time of the apostles1 by sixty-six ministers of ,christ1 some of whom1 we may suppose1 must have had grace enough to show a martyr-spirit in resisting so gross an invention as the baptizing of infants would have been1 if apostolic example had restricted baptism to those who were capable of faith4 ,did ,paul reprove an abuse of the ,lord's ,supper1 among the ,corinthians1 and would he not have given an injunction against so ,jewish a superstition as the baptizing of children in place of the antiquated circumcision would have been1 if it were not commanded1 had the churches in his day seemed inclined to practise it8 ,mr4 ,m4 ,all these things amount to a demonstration1 in my view4 ,dr4 ,d4 ,you would like to hear something from ,,augustine1 whose ,confessions you have read with so much interest4 ,in his writings1 on ,genesis1 ,augustine says1 about two hundred and eighty-eight years after the apostles1 ,the custom of our mother1 the church1 in baptizing infants1 must not be disregarded nor accounted useless1 and it must by all means be believed to be 7apostolica traditio7 a thing handed down to us by the apostles4 ,it is most justly believed to be no other than a thing delivered by apostolic authority2 that it came not by a general council1 or by any authority later or less than that of the apostles4 ,he also speaks of baptizing infants by the authority of the whole church1 which1 he says1 was undoubtedly delivered to it by our ,lord and his apostles4 ,augustine was a man of distinguished piety and learning1 whose testimony is every way worthy of implicit confidence4 ,but1 connected with his history1 we have another substantial evidence with regard to the subject4 ,he conducted a famous controversy against the ,pelagians1 who denied original sin4 ,they were confronted with the argument from infant baptism4 ,why1 it was said1 are infants baptized1 if they need no change of nature8 ,it would have been a triumphant answer could they have shown that it was an unscriptural practice1 not countenanced by ,christ or the apostles4 ,but ,pelagius said1 ,men slander me as though ,i denied baptism to infants1 whereas ,i never heard of any one1 ,catholic or heretic1 who denied baptism to infants4 ,pelagius and his friend ,celestius1 who was with him in the controversy1 were born1 the one in ,britain1 the other in ,ireland4 ,they lived for some years in ,rome1 where they knew people from all parts of the world4 ,they had also lived in ,carthage1 ,africa4 ,one finally settled in ,jerusalem1 and the other travelled among all the churches in the principal places of ,europe and ,asia4 ,but they had never heard of the man1 not even a heretic1 who had denied infant baptism4 ,here is another interesting proof4 ,irenus1 ,philastrius1 ,augustine1 ,epiphanius1 ,theodoret1 wrote catalogues of all the sects of ,christians which they had ever heard of2 but1 while they make mention of some who denied baptism altogether1 and with it1 according to ,augustine1 a great part of scripture1 they mention no denial of infant baptism by any sect whatever4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,i suppose1 then1 that the only way of disposing of this argument is by rejecting all testimony except that of the ,new ,testament4 ,some say they can prove anything from the fathers2 so they insist that the ,bible alone must be our guide4 ,dr4 ,d4 ,they are right in making that the only and sufficient rule of faith and practice4 ,but how do these good people and the rest of us know that the books of the ,old ,testament1 as we have them1 were the very books to which ,christ and the apostles referred as the word of ,god8 ,if infidels refuse to receive the ,bible1 saying1 ',there is no proof that these are the identical books known to ,christ1 and quoted by him and the apostles1' ,what shall we say8 ,the ,bible itself gives us no specific direction how to prove its genuineness4 ,it is interesting to observe that we go to uninspired men to prove that we really have the ,bible as ,christ and the apostles sanctioned it4 ,we go to ,josephus1 neither inspired nor even a ,christian2 to the ,talmud1 to ,jerome1 ,origen1 ,aquila1 and other uninspired men1 to find a list of the books which we are to receive as given by the inspiration of ,god4 ,and1 as to the ,new ,testament1 we go to ,eusebius and other uninspired writers1 and find that the ,christians of their days regarded these books as of divine authority4 ,it is on such evidence as this that we rely for the authority of those sacred writings1 which tell us what are the doctrines1 precepts1 and rites1 of religion4 ,now1 we see from this that uninspired testimony to divine things has its use4 ,it is neither wise1 nor any proof of intelligence1 to refuse a proper place to such testimony4 ,we do not ask ,josephus nor ,eusebius how to interpret these books for us1 nor does their erroneous opinion with regard to matters of faith disparage their testimony as to the existence and authenticity of the sacred canon4 ,neither can we properly say1 ,the early ,christian fathers had wrong notions1 some of them1 about infant baptism2 therefore they cannot be allowed to testify whether infant baptism was practised4 ,however heretical they may have been1 they could not alter the well-known facts of history1 in the face of enemies and friends4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,are you not accustomed to rely much1 in your scriptural argument for infant baptism1 on the baptisms of households by the apostles8 ,dr4 ,d4 ,i am2 and that reminds me of an interesting passage1 which ,i will read to you from this book3#d ,footnote #d3 ,taylor on ,baptism4 ,have we eight instances of the administration of the ,lord's ,supper8 ,not half the number4 ,have we eight cases of the change of the ,christian ,sabbath from the ,jewish8 ,not1 perhaps1 one fourth of the number4 ,yet those services are vindicated by the practice of the apostles1 as recorded in the ,new ,testament4 ,how1 then1 can we deny their practice on the subject of infant baptism1 when it is established by a series of more numerous instances than can possibly be found in support of any doctrine1 principle1 or practice1 derived from the practice of the apostles8 ,but you will ask him 7said ,dr4 ,d471 how he proves that there were infants or young children in the households baptized by the apostles4 ,this is his answer3 ,is there any other case besides that of baptism1 where we would take families at hazard1 and deny the existence of young children in them8 ,take eight families in a street1 or eight pews containing families in a place of worship2 they will afford more than one young child4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,how does he make out eight cases of household baptism by the apostles8 ,dr4 ,d4 ,let us examine his list3 #a4 ,cornelius4 #b4 ,lydia4 #c4 ,the jailer at ,philippi4 ,thus the church at ,philippi1 just organized by the apostles1 and consisting of but few members1 offers two instances of household baptism4 #d4 ,crispus4 ,compare ,acts #ah3 #h1 and #a ,cor4 #a3ad--af1 by which it appears that this ,crispus was baptized by ,paul separately from his family1 which was not baptized by ,paul4 ,yet ,crispus 'believed on the ,lord with all his house4' ,if his house believed1 it was baptized4 ,it was1 then1 a baptized household4 ,but if we believe that the family of ,crispus was baptized because we find it registered as believing1 then we must admit the same of all other families which we find marked as ,christians1 though they be not expressly marked as baptized4 ,he is not proving1 here1 you notice1 that there were children in any of these households2 he thinks he proves that elsewhere1 by the doctrine of chances4 ,he is now showing the grounds for supposing that certain households were baptized4 ,he applies his argument respecting ,crispus to #e4 ,aristobulus's household4 #f4 ,onesiphorus's household4 #g4 ,narcissus's household4 #h4 ,stephanas's household4 ,this household was baptized by ,paul separately from its head1 who was not baptized by ,paul2 this case being just the reverse of that of ,crispus4 ,eight ,christian families1 and therefore baptized4 ,now comes the question of probability as to there being children in those households not capable of faith4 ,begin anywhere1 in any congregation1 on the ,sabbath1 and count eight pews1 the proprietors and occupants of which are the heads of families2 and the chance of there being no minor children in them is almost too small to be appreciated4 ,should we read1 in a secular paper1 that a foreign missionary had baptized eight households in a pagan village1 the general belief would be that it was a missionary of some ,pdobaptist denomination1 and that children were baptized in those families4 ,i must read to you 7said ,dr4 ,d47 something on the other side of this argument4 ,i found the following1 not long since1 in a deservedly popular and useful ,dictionary and ,repository1 written and signed by a gentleman of excellent character and standing4 ,he says3 ,infant baptism was probably introduced about the commencement of the third century1 in connection with other corruptions1 which even then began to prepare the way for ,popery4 ,a superstitious idea1 respecting the necessity of baptism to salvation1 led to the baptism of sick persons1 and1 finally1 to the baptism of infants4 ,sponsors1 holy water1 anointing with oil1 the sign of the cross1 and a multitude of similar ceremonies1 equally unauthorized by the ,scriptures1 were soon introduced4 ,the church lost her simplicity and purity1 her ministers became ambitious1 and the darkness gradually deepened to the long and dismal night of papal despotism4 ,probably introduced about the commencement of the third century1 in connection with other corruptions4 ,recall what ,i read to you from ,origen1 born ,a4,d4 #ahe2 from ,tertullian1 who flourished within one hundred years after the apostles2 from ,cyprian and the ,council of ,carthage2 from ,augustine and his antagonist1 ,pelagius1 who expressly said that he had never heard of any one1 not even the most impious heretic1 denying baptism to infants4 ,in contrast with such a passage as the one just read to you1 ,i am reminded of the host of writers1 on our side of the question1 who1 almost all of them1 make such candid and full concessions1 that they furnish their brethren of the opposite side with many of their arguments against us4 ,i remember reading a book of ,pdobaptist ,concessions1 containing a formidable array of points yielded by our writers1 so that a common reader might ask1 ,what have you left as the ground of your belief and practice8 ,but the thought which arose in my mind was1 ,notwithstanding all these concessions1 they who make them are among the firmest believers in baptism by sprinkling1 and in infant baptism4 ,that cause must be affluent in proofs1 and deeply rooted in the scriptural convictions of men1 which can afford to make such concessions to its antagonists4 ,these refuse facts1 which we afford to others for so large a part of their foundation1 show how broad and sufficient ours must be4 ,the quotation which ,i read to you1 speaks of ,popish tendencies as having already begun4 ,this is true2 and more may be added4 ,in the second epistle to the ,thessalonians1 ,paul tells us that the mystery of iniquity was already at work4 ,on the subject of religious days and festivals1 the first ,christians very soon began to be superstitious1 incorporating heathen festival days into ,christian observances1 under the plea of redeeming and sanctifying them1 with some such feelings and reasoning as that with which people1 now1 would transfer secular music to sanctuaries1 saying that the enemy ought not to have all the best music4 ,it is true that this sensuous1 and1 afterward called1 ,romish1 tendency1 corrupted everything4 ,the pure stream of apostolic doctrine and practice was like the ,moselle1 which you saw from the fortress of ,ehrenbreitstein1 pursuing its unmingled course distinctly for some distance in the turbid ,rhine1 till at last it yields to the general current4 ,infant baptism1 as we learn from ecclesiastical authorities with one consent1 proceeded from the apostles2 yet soon it began to be practised with many superstitious absurdities2 and1 moreover1 immersion1 making such powerful appeals to the senses1 suited the taste of the age far better than sprinkling1 so that not only did it become the common mode1 but the subjects were completely undressed1 without any distinction1 to denote the putting off the old man and the putting on of the new1 and the putting away of the filth of the flesh4#e ,public sentiment finally abolished this practice4 ,after a considerable time affusion1 or sprinkling1 returned1 and became the prevailing mode1 without any special enactment1 or any formal renunciation of the late mode4 ,the ,eastern church1 however1 retained immersion1 while the ,greek and ,armenian branches use both immersion and sprinkling for the adult and child4 ,but the sick and dying were always baptized by sprinkling1 which is sufficient to prove that sprinkling was regarded as equally valid with immersion4 ,it is natural to say that it was superstitious to baptize the sick and dying1 by sprinkling1 if we hold that only immersion is valid baptism4 ,the sick and dying cannot be immersed2 now1 is it superstition for a sick person1 giving credible evidence of piety1 to be admitted into the ,christian church1 and receive the ,lord's ,supper8 ,in order to do this properly1 the subject must be baptized2 hence1 we derive one powerful argument that sprinkling is valid baptism4 ,our ,lord would never have made the modes of his sacraments so austerely rigid1 that the thousands of sick and feeble persons1 ministers in poor health1 climate1 seasons of the year1 times of persecution and imprisonment1 and all the stress of circumstances to which ,christians may be subjected1 should be utterly disregarded1 and one inconvenient1 and sometimes dangerous1 form1 of applying water1 be insisted on1 inflexibly1 as essential to the introductory ,christian rite4 ,if the early ,christians baptized the sick by sprinkling1 they of course supposed that it was valid baptism4 ,if it was valid at all1 and in any case1 of course it was ,christian baptism1 even if other modes were most commonly used4 ,footnote #e3 ,see ,coleman's ,ancient ,christianity1 chap1 xix41 sec4 #ab4 ,he refers to ,ambrose1 ,ser4 #bj4 ,chrysostom1 ,hom4 #f4 ,epistle to ,col41 c41 c4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,i suppose1 then1 that you would not object to administer baptism in any other mode of applying water than sprinkling1 or pouring4 ,dr4 ,d4 ,one mode was1 ,i believe1 practised at first2 and the ,new ,testament teaches me that this was affusion4 ,the application of water in any way1 by an authorized administrator1 to a proper subject1 in the name of the ,trinity1 may be valid baptism2 but ,i prefer the ,new ,testament mode1 as ,i understand it1 and am happy to allow others the same liberty of judgment which ,i enjoy4 ,it would be an extreme case which would lead me to administer the ordinance in any other way than by affusion4 ,but1 said ,mr4 ,d41 you began by inquiring respecting the practice of infant baptism in the early ages4 ,i presume that your mind is settled with regard to the connection of the practice with ,god's everlasting covenant with believers and their offspring4 ,i lately read a statement of this point1 which pleased me much1 in the writings of the famous ,rev4 ,thomas ,shepard1 the early pastor of the church in ,cambridge1 ,massachusetts4 ,he says3 ,there is the same inward cause moving ,god to take in the children of believing parents into the church and covenant1 now1 to be of the number of his people1 as there was for taking the ,jews and their children4 ,for the only reason why the ,lord took in the children of the ,jews with themselves evidently was his love to the parents4 ',because he loved thy fathers1 therefore he chose their seed4' ,so that ,i do from hence believe1 that either ,god's love is1 in these days of his ,gospel1 less unto his people and servants than in the days of the ,old ,testament1--or1 if it be as great1 that then the same love respects the seed of his people now as then it did4 ,and1 therefore1 if then because he loved them he chose their seed to be of his church1 so in these days because he loveth us he chooseth our seed to be of his church also4 ,though the title of the treatise from which ,i read is called the ,church-,membership of ,children1 to which expression ,i have very great objections1 and feel that it has done harm1 yet this good man held the doctrine of infant church-membership in a sense which is free from all reproach of making people members of the church otherwise than by regeneration4 ,his belief on this point comes out under the following illustration3 ,these children may not be the sons of ,god and his people really and savingly1 but ,god will honor them outwardly with his name and privileges1 just as one that adopts a youngster tells the father that if the child carry himself well toward him1 when he is grown up to years he shall possess the inheritance itself2 but yet in the meanwhile he shall have this favor1 to be called his son1 and be of the family and household1 and so be reckoned among the number of his sons4 ,one of the chief reasons which brought this excellent man to ,new ,england1 was that he could not in ,old ,england enjoy the ordinance of infant baptism in its purity4 ,let me read the following1 addressed by him to his little son1 who afterward became pastor of the church in ,lynn1 ,massachusetts1 and was a burning and shining light4 ,his words will show you that he had no superstitious notion about the church-membership of children1 though he represented the common belief at that day1 and that he did not count baptism in infancy a saving ordinance2 yet you will see how he uses it to plead with his son to be reconciled to ,god4 ,he writes3 ,and thus1 after about eleven weekes sayle from ,old ,england1 we came to ,new ,england shore1 where the mother fell sick of consumption1 and you my child was put to nurse to one goodwife ,hopkins1 who was very tender of thee2 and after we had been here diverse weekes1 on the seventh of ,february1 or thereabout1 ,god gave thee the ordinance of baptism1 whereby ,god is become thy ,god1 and is beforehand with thee1 that whenever you shall return to ,god he will undoubtedly receive thee2 and this is a most high and happy privilege2 and therefore blesse ,god for it4 ,and now1 after this had been done1 thy deare mother dyed in the ,lord1 departing out of this world into another1 who did lose her life by being careful to preserve thine2 for in the ship thou wert so feeble and froward1 both in the day and night1 that hereby shee lost her strength1 and at last her life4 ,shee hath made also many a prayer and shed many a tear in secret for thee2 and this hath bin oft her request1 that if the ,lord did not intend to glorify himselfe by thee1 that he would cut thee off by death rather than to live to dishonor him by sin2 and therefore know it that if you shalt turn rebell agaynst ,god1 and forsake ,god and care not for the knowledge of him1 nor to beleeve in his ,son1 the ,lord will make all these mercys woes1 and all thy mother's prayers1 teares1 and death1 to be a swift witness agaynst thee at the great day4 ,the practice of infant baptism1 and a belief in what is called the church-membership of children1 surely had no injurious effect upon a parent who could speak thus to his child4 ,yet ,shepard took as high ground as any with regard to this subject4 ,he derived appeals from baptism to his child1 which were both encouraging and admonitory in the highest degree4 ,o1 said ,dr4 ,d41 what a people the descendants of ,abraham might have been forever1 had they kept that covenant of which circumcision was the seal4 ,had they remembered only this1 and had they adhered to it1 ,i will be a ,god to thee and to thy seed after thee1 and had they been a covenant-keeping people1 their peace1 as ,god says to them1 would have been as a river2 an endless1 inexhaustible tide of prosperity and blessedness4 ,and now1 if ,christian parents will but lay hold on that covenant as they may1 that ,abrahamic covenant1 still in force for them who are ,christ's1 and so ,abraham's1 seed1 and heirs according to the promise1 we should soon see1 in family religion1 in the early conversion of children1 and in their large ,christian culture1 those promises of ,god fulfilled which have respect to the great increase1 chiefly by this means1 of his church in the latter days4 ,this is one thing which makes me love and prize infant baptism so much2 its being an expression and exponent of parental love1 faithfulness1 and zeal1 in those with whom it is preceded and followed by the entire consecration of their children to ,god1 their feelings and conduct toward them agreeing with the covenant made for them with ,god4 ,but1 in saying this1 let me guard you against the erroneous notion that infant baptism is primarily a parent's covenant1 an expression of his feelings toward ,god4 ,no1 it is ,god's covenant1 an expression of his feelings toward the children of believers4 ,that is the chief thing which gives it value4 ,for1 it is not because parents love their children1 that ,god commands that they be offered in baptism2 but because ,god loves them1 and has promised to be a ,god to them1 as he is to their parents4 ,people1 however1 sometimes treat the ordinance as though it were their act toward ,god1 and not primarily his act toward them4 ,they1 therefore1 are liable to use it with far less effect than if they were receiving in it1 and by it1 ,god's own transaction with them and the little child4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,in thinking of ,pagan and ,mohammedan nations1 lately1 at the ,concert of ,prayer for ,foreign ,missions1 ,i was struck with this thought1 how error has been transmitted from father to child1 and what an awful power for evil lies in transmitted family influence1 when it is corrupted4 ,this led me to think whether ,god did not have this in mind when1 in establishing his church in ,abraham1 he connected children with parents in his covenant1 and gave a sign and seal to be affixed to their children as a constant admonition to parental faithfulness4 ,all his former dealings with the world seem to have failed1 because of its great wickedness1--fire1 plagues1 good examples1 great riches1 and power conferred upon the good2 and then he added1 as a special means1 the family constitution1 and by it he secured a seed to serve him to an extent sufficient to keep the world from extinction1 and to be the repository and source of divine knowledge4 ,i began to think that1 if we would keep religion from dying out1 we must fall in with ,god's great plan2 for ,satan makes use of it1 and holds generation after generation in bondage by means of the family constitution4 ,so ,i set myself at work to find out ways by which we might promote family religion2 and ,i could find no better plan than the old one1 of promoting scriptural and spiritual views of the dedication of children4 ,then ,i thought how much discredit has been cast upon that ordinance1 which is intended to be the great sign and declaration of parental piety and faithfulness2 and that family religion had1 proportionably1 declined1 with the indifference of ,christians to this powerful means of promoting the eminent zeal and efforts of parents in behalf of their children's spiritual good4 ,youths of fifteen to twenty-one years of age are1 in a large proportion1 the causes of prevailing wickedness1--,sabbath-breaking1 profaneness1 and other things4 ,they need just what the ordinance of baptism1 properly observed and fully carried out by covenanting parents1 would do for them4 ,but1 in being present at the formation of new churches1 ,i have mourned to see that1 instead of declaring infant baptism to be the duty of believers1 as was formerly done in our older churches1 a compromise with modern lax views is made1 by merely permitting infant baptism1 saying1 in the confession of faith1 that1 ,baptism is the privilege only of believers and their children4 ,but the idea of getting up a zeal in favor of infant baptism1 or a public sentiment in the churches which should enforce it as a duty1 seemed to me unprofitable2 but it occurred to me1 whether something could not be done to interest ,christian parents in the subject1 by showing them the infinite privilege of having ,god for their ,god1 and the ,god of their seed1 and then the naturalness and propriety of using an ordinance to express and to assist it4 ,people need instruction on the subject2 instruction which will commend itself to their ,christian feelings4 ,we cannot legislate them into a spiritual observance of the ,lord's ,supper1 much less of baptism4 ,dr4 ,d4 ,no2 and ,i trust that our denominations who practise infant baptism1 will never urge it otherwise than in connection with parental piety1 and as a helper of parental obligations4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,but ought we not to stir ourselves up with regard to parental duties8 and1 if so1 must we not necessarily insist on the dedication of children to ,god1 and upon baptism as the acceptable way of signifying it1 and the powerful means of helping us to perform our duties8 ,dr4 ,d4 ,surely we ought2 and in doing it we have the satisfaction to know that we are laboring for something more than to establish a mode of applying an ordinance4 ,in urging the baptism of children1 if we do it not for the sake of the ordinance1 but for the things which it signifies and promotes1 we advance the cause of piety in the parents4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,would that some one would blow a trumpet in the churches on this subject4 ,i do feel that if parents would appreciate the influence of such a state of heart as would lead them to offer their children to ,god in baptism1 as an expression of their previous and subsequent views and feelings toward their children1 we should see a new state of things in the rising generation4 ,how striking it is that the ,old ,testament closes with such a passage as that last verse of ,malachi4 ,it is the promontory of the ,old ,testament1 looking across the coming ages1 yearning toward the new dispensation1 and1 as it were1 making signals1 concerning the forerunner of that new era1 with those words3 ,and he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children1 and the heart of the children to their fathers1 lest ,i come and smite the earth with a curse4 ,may we not conclude that this is ,god's most acceptable way of effecting the revival of religion from one period to another8 ,dr4 ,d4 ,i have no doubt of it4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,i spoke to our good ,deacon ,goodenow about it1 lately2 but he said he had a great horror of a controversy about baptism1 and he was afraid that1 to say much upon this subject1 would involve us in one4 ,i told him that ,i would not be for reflecting upon other denominations2 that my motto1 with regard to them and us1 is1 ,live1 and let live4 ,i would only appeal to our own people1 and encourage them to take up the subject afresh1 in a spiritual manner2 that is1 to dwell upon the privilege and duty of being in covenant relations1 with our children1 to ,god1 baptism being the ordinance of ratification1 and its memorial4 ,dr4 ,d4 ,your reference to controversy about baptism makes me think of one which ,i listened to in a rail-road station1 last winter1 while waiting in a snow-storm1 several hours1 for the cars4 ,two students of divinity1 as ,i took them to be1 were discussing their respective tenets with regard to baptism4 ,i was reading a book1 but could not help hearing what they said4 ,one was decrying infant baptism as a rag of ,popery1 the last relic of ,rome in ,protestantism1 a device of ,satan to fill up the church with unconverted members1 and much more to that effect4 ,his friend1 in reply1 undertook to give his impressions of immersion4 ,he spoke of ,india-rubber bathing-dresses2--a tank in which he saw two or three men and as many women1 one of them a young lady1 immersed1 to his apparent disgust2--of ,elder some one breaking the ice at some cape on ,new ,year's ,sabbath1 and immersing several carriages full of females1 who went back dripping wet1 to the carriages1 and rode an eighth of a mile to the vestry2--of several females immersed1 in a southern ,state1 going into a creek with white garments1 and with white fillets about their heads1 and coming out yellow2 and he asked his fellow whether infant baptism could be any worse than such things4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,what did his friend say8 ,dr4 ,d4 ,o1 it was the common talk on both sides1 painful and revolting4 ,i could not help saying to them1 as the cars were coming up1 and we were parting1 ,but1 if ye bite and devour one another1 take heed that ye be not consumed one of another4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,they probably left each other as little convinced of the opposite opinions1 respectively1 as when they began4 ,dr4 ,d4 ,more confirmed and set against each other's views1 ,i have no question4 ,there has been far too much of this4 ,ridicule and sarcasm are ,satan's favorite weapons4 ,good people ought not to use them against each other1 whatever be the temptation4 ,perhaps1 as human nature chooses variety1 and we are differently affected by different presentations of truth1 men must be divided into sects2 but intolerance1 bigotry1 exclusiveness1 in us or in others1 cannot stand before the spirit of the age4 ,we may work better1 divided into denominations1 forbearing with one another1 and loving one another in ,christ1 and for his sake4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,are you often called upon by persons who are troubled on the subject of baptism8 ,dr4 ,d4 ,i do not spend much time in discussing the mode4 ,when a young person is troubled on the subject1 ,i am always careful1 first of all1 to find out whether there is any secret bias1 for any reason1 toward another denomination2 in which case1 ,i pause at once2 for you might argue forever in vain4 ,there is iron on board the ship1 which controls the needle in the compass4 ,i always make it easy and pleasant for such to follow their evident inclination and wishes4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,are they generally ready to go8 ,dr4 ,d4 ,no1 they say they do not like strict communion2 but ,i cannot help them4 ,i will not be a sectarian1 even for infant baptism4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,are you in favor of admitting people to our church who do not believe in infant baptism8 ,dr4 ,d4 ,young people1 who say that their minds are not made up on the subject1 or those who have not had their attention directed to it1 cannot be required to signify their cordial assent to it2 but it is enough if they are not opposed4 ,in the case of parents who steadfastly decline to practise infant baptism1 after waiting a proper time to instruct them1 ,i advise them to join another denomination more in accordance with their views4 ,we do better to be apart1 and it is no reflection upon either side to say this4 ,a ,pdobaptist church ought to maintain its principles by requiring assent to its standard of faith2 yet1 where there is no church of a different denomination1 within convenient distance1 ,i surely would not exclude a child of ,god from the ,lord's ,supper for differences of opinion and practice about baptism4 ,i would admit1 by special vote1 to occasional1 or even to stated communion1 in such a case4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,do you ever re-baptize8 ,dr4 ,d4 ,where a person was baptized with water1 in the name of the ,trinity1 by an authorized person1 of any denomination1 ,i would not re-baptize4 ,the alleged heterodox or immoral character of the administrator1 at the time of baptism1 does not invalidate it2 otherwise1 one might be baptized many times1 and1 the administrators proving unworthy1 the subject could never get baptized4 ,christ would never let his ordinances depend thus upon uncertainties4 ,let a person but recognize his baptism1 if performed in infancy1 by entering publicly into covenant with ,god1 and that will be sufficient4 ,i endeavor to show people how wrong it is to lay undue stress on the ordinance1 forgetting whether they have that which is signified by it1 and which alone gives it value4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,true1 sir1 but it has its importance1 and stress is to be laid upon the due observance of it4 ,dr4 ,d4 ,i mean that where ,i find the conditions of valid baptism complied with1 ,i try to turn away the thoughts from any superstitious or ceremonial dependence upon the sacramental act4 ,you remember the answer in the catechism to the question1 ,how do the sacraments become effectual means of salvation8 ,mr4 ,m4 ,how ,i used to say that1 at my mother's knee1 with my hands folded behind me1 to keep them still3 ,the sacraments become effectual means of salvation1 not from any virtue in them1 or in him that doth administer them1 but only by the blessing of ,christ1 and the working of his spirit in them that by faith receive them4 ,dr4 ,d4 ,i was thinking1 the other day1 and not for the first time1 by any means1 what a noble man was ,paul4 ,he was unwilling that people should call themselves after him1 as their leader1 and therefore he was glad to leave the act of baptizing to his associates4 ,some1 however1 infer from this that he disparages baptism4 ,christ sent me not to baptize1 but to preach the gospel4 ,baptism1 in its place1 has its importance1 and so has preaching2 but whether he should be the baptizer1 or delegate the administration to ,silas1 or ,mark1 was not of so much consequence as that he should preach4 ,how he put things in their right places1 according to their proportions1 exalting the great1 vital things1 sinking others to their subordinate1 though useful1 spheres1 and becoming all things to all men to save them4 ,with his contempt of formalism1 ,i hardly know of a greater trial of patience than he must have had in consenting to circumcise ,timothy4 ,he there shut the window-shutters1 and lighted an exhausted lamp1 for a time1 though he knew the sun was up1 to gratify some who had not opened their eyes to the morning4 ,how far from a contentious1 ambitious spirit1 was he1 even with his intense convictions4 ,there are many good people1 in all communions1 who are longing for the time when all the old walls of separation between true ,christians will have as many gates in them1 at least1 as heaven has1--on the east three gates1 on the north three gates1 on the south three gates1 and on the west three gates4 ,but ,i rejoice even in our liberty1 if we choose to exercise it1 of separation1 without molestation1 though we lose much good to ourselves1 and much influence1 and1 in times of general religious interest1 it leads to early discussions about modes and forms4 ,how many times have ,i seen a growing attention to religion in a community checked by debates and discussions as to ordinances4 ,mr4 ,m4 ,if more pains were taken to instruct our own people as to the oneness of the ancient and the ,christian church1 and to show them how the consecration of children is a part of religion1 as restablished by the ,most ,high1 it seems to me great good would follow4 ,dr4 ,d4 ,if you will draw out your thoughts on the subject1 and let me see them1 we may prepare something which may be useful4 ,you view the subject on the popular1 practical side4 ,let us see what the results are to which you have come4 ,having agreed to make the effort at my leisure1 ,i may report hereafter as to my success4 ,and now ,i will ask my reader's attention to an interesting letter1 which1 on my return home1 ,i found awaiting me4 ,chapter ,seventh4 ,,terms ,,of ,,communion4 ,him first to love1 great right and reason is1 ,who first to us our life and being gave2 ,and after1 when we fared had amisse1 ,us wretches from the second death did save2 ,and last1 the food of life1 which now we have1 ,even ,he himselfe1 in his dear sacrament1 ,to feede our hungry soules1 unto us lent4 ,then next to love our brethren1 that were made ,of that selfe mould1 and that self maker's hand1 ,that we2#f and to the same againe shall fade ,where they shall have like heritage of land1#g ,however here on higher steps we stand2 ,which also were with selfe-same price redeemed ,that we2--however of us light esteemed4 ,,spenser4--,an ,hymne of ,heavenly ,love4 ----,,prairie1----1 #ahe-4 ,,my ,,dear ,,brother3 ,here we are1 at our journey's end4 ,we have had a most romantic journey1 arriving in health1 though wayworn1 much of our ride having been in wagons4 ,my wife says1 ,give my love to brother1 and tell him of the scene at the hill ,mizar4 ,your letter1 which we found awaiting us1 made her think that you would be deeply interested in the story4 ,this1 by and by4 ,footnote #f3 ,as we4 ,footnote #g3 ,the grave4 ,as we were leaving ,c41 one morning1 in the great mail-wagon1 a man and his wife1 with an infant in her arms1 took seats with us1 bound far beyond our own home4 ,the parents had been delayed by the birth of the child during the journey from ,new ,york4 ,they proved to be truly excellent people1 and they made our journey with them very agreeable4 ,the father1 ,mr4 ,blair1 had been greatly tried during his stay at the hotel where his wife was sick4 ,there was only one church in the village4 ,the administration of the ,lord's ,supper occurring while he was there1 he went to avail himself of a stranger's privilege at the table of ,christ4 ,he found1 however1 that the ordinance was not to be administered till the afternoon1 and1 moreover1 the hymn-book1 and some things in the sermon1 disclosed to him that the church was one which closed its doors against communicants who had not been baptized by immersion1 on profession of their faith4 ,he was strongly inclined to partake of the ordinance1 without saying anything respecting his baptism4 ,but1 on the whole1 he concluded that it would be respectful to intimate his situation to one of the church1 peradventure they had a rule favorable to such a case as his1 or1 at least1 had agreed to shut their eyes1 and ask no questions1 in such circumstances4 ,he1 therefore1 introduced himself to a venerable man1 who1 he inferred1 was a deacon4 ,he frankly told him who he was1 and that he wished to partake of the ,lord's ,supper4 ,the good man said to him1 ,i am sorry that you said anything about it2 but1 so long as you have1 ,i don't see how ,i can consistently encourage your partaking of the ordinance4 ,stranger4 ,on what ground1 sir8 ,deacon4 ,why1 we do not hold you to have been baptized4 ,stranger4 ,i was baptized in infancy1 by believing parents1 and have been a professing ,christian fifteen years4 ,deacon4 ,that is not believers' baptism1 as we view it4 ,the ,lord's ,supper1 in our communion1 is for baptized persons only4 ,we hold to no baptism but by immersion4 ,stranger4 ,i certainly would not intrude1 and ,i will not ask you to act inconsistently with your principles4 ,but ,i am a wayfaring man4 ,i have not had the opportunity to partake of the ,lord's ,supper for several months4 ,the life and health of my wife have been remarkably preserved in this village4 ,here is the birthplace of my first-born1 a place never to be forgotten by us4 ,i wish to make a ,bethel of it4 ,i wish to come to my ,saviour's table with my thanksgivings1 and pay him my vows1 which my lips have uttered1 and my mouth hath spoken1 when ,i was in trouble4 ,i rejoiced when ,i heard that this was your sacramental ,sabbath4 ,deacon4 ,your church would not admit an unbaptized person to the ,lord's table1 however much he might plead for admission4 ,stranger4 ,o1 my dear sir1 how unfair that reasoning is4 ,this is placing me on a level with one who rejects baptism4 ,i profess to have been baptized to the best of my knowledge1 and to have fulfilled the requirements of ,christ4 ,should a man come to our church1 and say1 ,i have reason to believe that ,i have been baptized1 though ,i cannot bring evidence to satisfy you1 except so far as you have confidence in me1 his case would be parallel with mine4 ,such a man we would not exclude4 ,deacon4 ,perhaps we shall not agree1 if we continue to discuss the point4 ,i am sorry that our rules operate to your inconvenience4 ,we wish to see everybody on ,new ,testament ground1 and we think that the surest way to bring them there is to stand there ourselves4 ,by departing from the literal command to immerse1 and by baptizing infants1 the church of ,christ became corrupted with traditions and human inventions4 ,we are at the antipodes to all this2 we refuse everything which is not in black and white on the surface of the ,bible1 and so we are the more consistent ,protestants4 ,considering the day and the occasion1 said my friend to us1 ,i forbore to argue1 or to press the good man by asking him if the 'seventh-day ,sabbath' people had not the advantage of him as to greater consistency in their ,protestantism2 or1 whether the church-membership of females was anywhere in black and white on the surface of the ,bible4 ,as to his going to the antipodes1 to get clear of ,romish principles and practices1 ,i was strongly tempted to say that1 to avoid being one of the acids1 it surely was not necessary1 nor best1 to become an alkali4 ,but having often reflected how ,god uses one and another sect1 and its set of principles and practices1 to correct evils1 by their sharp antagonism1 and to restore a balance to ecclesiastical disorders by allowing some to go1 for a while1 to an opposite extreme1 ,i did not find it in my heart to inveigh1 nor to upbraid4 ,it also seemed good to be in a land of liberty1 where even ,christians could1 from a sense of duty to ,christ1 if they chose1 fence out their acknowledged brethren and sisters from their table4 ,there are great inconveniences1 and1 now and then1 hardships1 resulting from it2 but our friends1 of course1 suppose that greater good1 on the whole1 than evil1 is the consequence1 apart from considerations of duty4 ,but ,i know of a congregation1 in a small place1 who have had public worship for several years1 but have not had the ,lord's ,supper administered1 because they cannot agree as to terms of communion4 ,well1 said ,i1 tell us what you did in the afternoon4 ,in the afternoon1 he continued1 ,i went to meeting1 and1 when the ordinance was to be administered1 ,i took a seat in a pew alone4 ,i watched to see which aisle the good deacon would serve1 and concluded to sit there1 so as not to seem clandestinely seeking from another deacon1 who would not know me1 my inhibited bread2 for ,i wished to be honorable in the transaction1 and1 besides1 ,i desired that my friend should see me1 and1 if he had changed his mind1 give me the symbols4 ,so ,i sat where he would pass1 in a pew by myself1 but he did not look at me4 ,how did it make you feel8 said ,i4 ,in some respects1 said he1 ,i never enjoyed my thoughts more at the administration of the ,supper4 ,i had no feeling of resentment or ill-will4 ,the exclusion of four fifths of the ,christian family from the ,lord's table by one portion of it1 for such a reason1 seemed to leave me in such good company1 that ,i said to myself1 ',they that be with us are more than they that be with them4' ,i rejoiced in ,robert ,hall1 ,john ,bunyan1 and others like them4 ,i thought of that interesting piece in ,bunyan's works1 ',water ,baptism no ,bar to ,communion4' ,i questioned whether this church and its sister churches would not hear a mild reproof from the lips of ,christ1--',i was a stranger1 and ye took me not in4' ,certainly they could not say with ,job1 ',if ,i have eaten my morsel alone4' ,using the table of ,christ for a wall or bars against acknowledged ,christians1--that table1 that ,supper1 which1 of all places and scenes1 is most suggestive of communion and fellowship1--seemed to me so great a mistake1 that ,i could not in charity regard it as a sin1 because1 as such1 it would be so criminal4 ,i always believed1 before1 that the mode of baptism was not essential to ,christian fellowship2 but that afternoon ,i saw it1 ,i felt it2 ,i worked out the sum myself1 and saw the demonstration1 ,i felt very happy in belonging to the great host of ,god's people who can commune together1 however much they differ4 ,while ,i was sitting there alone1 put aside1 one might say1 by my brothers and sisters1 whom ,i had1 as it were1 run in so cordially to meet1 one thought came over me1 as they were feasting with ,christ1 which made me weep4 ,i thought of the possibility of being set aside in the great day4 ,i said1 to myself3 ',i love to meet thy people now1 ,before thy face with them to bow1 ,though vilest of them all2 ,but1 can ,i bear the dreadful thought1 ,what if my name should be left out ,when thou for them dost call8' ,this did me good4 ,yet1 while ,i was sitting there1 ,i seemed to see the ,saviour approach me1 with a smile4 ,his look seemed very significant1 as though he would say1 ',i understand it4' ,those words came to my mind3 ',jesus heard that they had cast him out2 and1 when he had found him1 he said unto him1 ,dost thou believe on the ,son of ,god8 ,he answered and said1 ,who is he1 ,lord1 that ,i might believe on him8 ,and ,jesus said unto him1 ,thou hast both seen him1 and it is he that talketh with thee4 ,and he said1 ,lord1 ,i believe4 ,and he worshipped him4' ,i surely said and did this4 ,never before1 said he1 had ,i such views of the condescension and gentleness of ,christ toward us1 erring creatures4 ,here was a church erring1 it seemed to me1 in a point which must peculiarly wound the heart of the ,redeemer1 whose last discourse with his disciples had this for its burden1 that ye love one another4 ,and yet there were1 in that church1 many with whom ,christ was communing with a love that seemed to them unqualified4 ,so he treats us all4 ,i never had a greater flow of charity toward all my fellow-,christians than on that occasion4 ,i resolved that ,i never would be a sectarian in anything1 while ,i also felt more strongly than ever attached to my own views1 and confident of their truthfulness1 and in love with their beauty4 ,when he had finished his narration1 his wife asked me what ,i thought with regard to her husband's proceedings4 ,i asked her to state particularly what she had in mind4 ,she then expressed a doubt whether it were proper for us to intrude upon fellow-,christians1 when we know that their principles forbid their communing with us4 ,she said that she remonstrated with her husband1 as soon as he told her that the ordinance was not free to all evangelical ,christians1 and that she tried to dissuade him from appearing to obtrude himself4 ,she did not view it as uncharitableness1 but only as a denominational rule4 ,i asked her what her husband said in self-defence2--for we loved to hear her conversation4 ,she said that he turned it off by saying1 ,men do not despise a thief1 if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry4 ,she said that soon they experienced the utmost kindness from the members of that church1 who1 learning the occasion of their sojourn in the village1 poured upon them their hospitality4 ,several wished to remove her to their dwellings4 ,they had a ,busy ,bee1 and made up everything in an infant's wardrobe for her4 ,she opened her travelling-bag1 and took out a white enamelled paper semi-circular box1 containing a pin-cushion1 made of straw-colored satin1 in the shape of a young moon1 with these words tastefully printed in pins3 ,welcome1 little stranger6 ,she held it up to us in one hand1 while with the other she wiped her eyes4 ,never1 she said1 had kindness affected her so much2--she believed that it hindered her in gaining strength1 her feelings were so continually wrought upon by ingenious devices of loving-kindness4 ,it became known that the husband had proposed to commune1 and what the issue had been4 ,this only served to make them all the more generous4 ,they felt it deeply1 and bore it as a necessity which they evidently regretted2 but1 with much self-respect1 they refrained to make any apology1 or explanation2 and1 for this1 said the wife1 ,i respected them4 ,there was one elderly maiden-lady1 however1 who once was so far excited when the subject was alluded to1 while several of them were sewing in the wife's room1 that1 after moving about in her chair1 evidently struggling with her emotions1 she ventured at last to say1 ,o1 if ,i could get hold of that old fence1 how ,i should love to shake it6 ,they all smiled2 and one sensible and well-educated woman immediately gave a pleasant turn to the conversation4 ,i fully agreed with the wife in her very dignified and proper view of the whole subject4 ,is there not something extremely charming in the highly lady-like sentiments and expressions of a ,christian woman1 as contradistinguished from those of a gentleman8 ,he1 with all his urbanity1 is apt to show the smallest possible vein of testiness1 or1 at least1 the clouded look of high-bred sense of honor4 ,it seems to me there is no power which woman exerts over us1 in softening and humanizing our feelings1 more beautiful and effectual1 than in her delicate forbearance and charity in taking the kind view of an irritating subject1 without compromise of principle1 but just the view which reflection1 and gentler moods1 and the softening hand of time1 invariably present4 ,she arrives at it at once1 by intuition2 our slow and phlegmatic sense goes through a process of mistake and rectification1 to reach it4 ,it occurred to me to test this good lady's feelings a little further1 by reading to her an item from a newspaper1 which ,i had met with in the cars a few days before1 and which ,i had transferred to my pocket4 ,it had disturbed my equanimity a little4 ,it was an extract from the annual circular letter of a conference of ministers to their churches1 in one of the ,new ,england ,states1 in #ahee1 in which mention was made of the monstrous and soul-damning heresy of infant baptism4 ,i asked the lady how we ought to feel at such a demonstration4 ,she said1 ,i presume ,i know how you gentlemen would be likely to feel and act under the impulse of the moment2 but the true way to regard and treat it1 as it seems to me1 is1 with pertinacious forgetfulness4 ,she would not let it disturb her feelings2 and she quoted ,george ,herbert3 ,why should ,i feel another man's mistakes ,more than his sicknesses1 or poverty8 ,in love ,i should2 but1 c4 ,susan said that she was reminded of visits made to her mother's house1 by some who would persuade her mother that she belonged to an unbaptized church2 thus seeking to put in fear the children who were about to make a profession of religion4 ,her mother replied to these visitors1 that there was far more apprehension in her own mind whether they themselves were properly baptized1 if but one mode is valid4--,as to ,mr4 ,blair's effort to commune at that table1 she said that she would never seek nor receive as a boon from men1 that which her ,saviour had purchased for her1 and for them1 with his own blood4 ,our conversation was here interrupted by the exclamation of my wife1 ,do look at that beautiful sight1 that cascade1 on the hill4 ,chapter ,eighth4 ,,the ,,road-,,side ,,baptism4 ,how beautiful the water is6 ,to me 'tis wondrous fair2 ,no spot can ever lonely be1 ,if water sparkle there4 ,it hath a thousand tongues of mirth1 ,of grandeur1 or delight1 ,and every heart is gladder made ,when water greets the sight4 ,,mrs4 ,e4,o4 ,,smith4 ,sweet one6 make haste1 and know ,him too2 ,thine own adopting ,father love2 ,that1 like thine earliest dew1 ,thy dying sweets may prove4 ,,keble4 ,we were about to turn a corner in a defile of the mountains1 and a large perpendicular buttress of the ridge stood out1 so as nearly to close up the road4 ,it presented a surface of about twenty feet directly in front1 as we drove up1 and1 from the top1 which was nearly a hundred and twenty feet from the ground1 a cascade fell into the air for about forty feet1 and1 without touching anything1 became dishevelled1 and disappeared in mist4 ,it was one of the most beautiful objects which ,i ever saw4 ,it was pure white1 relieved against the wet and very black rock4 ,it waved to and fro in the air like a streamer2 it had a slow pulse1 lifting it and letting it drop1 like the appearance of a waterfall seen from the window of a car in motion1 only this was irregular and quite slow2 it was soft and fleecy2 it made no audible noise2 it looked dangerous to see it fall from so great a height2 but it was caught in the air1 to your relief1 as one who falls in his dream lights upon his soft bed4 ,the lines of ,gray1 in his ,bard1 were suggested by the sight of this mountain1 though not by any close resemblance3 ,loose his beard2 his hoary hair ,streamed like a meteor to the troubled air4 ,the ladies had other images suggested by it4 ,one said1 ,it is a beautiful hand1 waving ,godspeed to us on our journey4 ,that brought tears into the eyes of some of us1 reminding us so of meetings and partings at home1 and chording well with our pilgrim condition4 ,we concluded to make response2 and we tarried there4 ,the rock seemed to be full of water1 oozing out from the seams1 dripping over rich mosses1 with jets1 here and there1 leaping into the light with a bound of a few inches1 and quietly expiring among the thick weather-stains and lichens1 as if satisfied with their brief existence4 ,the little things made me think of the sweet souls of infants passing into time1 and then immediately out of it4 ,as we listened1 we heard what ,addison describes in his version of the twenty-third ,psalm3 ,and streams shall murmur all around4 ,the ladies took off their bonnets1 and we our hats1 and we stood under the cascade1 looking up1 and feeling1 or fancying that we felt1 the cool spray on our heads and faces4 ,we drank of the rock1 and we thought of that ,rock which followed ,israel4 ,it seemed good to have such an image of ,jesus as such a rock1 with the strength of the hills in it1 and with its inexhaustible springs1 its beautiful entablature1 its cool shadow1 following a company through a desert4 ,what thoughts and feelings did it give us respecting our adorable ,immanuel1 ,god with us4 ,dear ,susan1 looking up1 said1 ,lead me to the ,rock that is higher than ,i4 ,after invoking the blessing of ,god1 and refreshing ourselves from our little store1 our friends wandered away by themselves1 and left us to enjoy the opportunity for prayer1 which we supposed they also sought in withdrawing from us4 ,as they returned1 the father had the little boy on his two hands1 and1 approaching me1 he looked up to the cascade1 and said1 ',see1 here is water2 what doth hinder me to be baptized8' ,i was at no loss to understand the quotation and the request4 ,would you like to have the little one baptized here8 said ,i4 ,we should1 they both exclaimed4 ,we are going into a destitute place at the ,west1 and there is no church1 you tell us1 within several miles of where we expect to live4 ,it is very uncertain about our being able to procure baptism for the child there2 and where could we enjoy the ordinance more1 or make it more impressive upon our hearts1 than here1 so long as we have no house of ,god1 which we remember1 however1 from 'the hill ,mizar'8 ,i told them that the experience of ,philip and the eunuch1 in the desert1 was1 just as likely as not1 the same as ours4 ,see1 here is water4 ,the probability of its being a road-side spring1 in a rock1 or out of the earth1 was greater than of its being a pool in the desert1 large enough to immerse a man in it1 leaving out of view the inconveniences of being bathed along the way4 ,we have both gone down out of the chariot1 said ,i--7you would have smiled to see our great1 strong1 muddied wain7--and we have done what the literal ,greek says they did1 went down to the water2 and when we start1 we shall come up from the water4 ,but let us read 'the place of the ,scripture' which the eunuch was reading when ,philip joined him4 ,susan took from her bag the blue velvet-covered ,bible1 which you gave her1 unclasped it1 and turned to the fifty-second chapter of ,isaiah1 at my request1 and began to read4 ,o1 how soft and sweet was the sound of a female voice1 repeating words of inspiration in that beautiful1 solitary spot6 ,the ,scriptures had not been divided into chapters and verses for the eunuch1 as for us1 but we noticed that the last verse of the chapter preceding the place of the ,scripture which he read1 not divided from it in his copy of ,isaiah1 was1 ,so shall he sprinkle many nations2 which1 we thought1 proved that the eunuch had had the idea of baptism suggested to him by those words2 and quite as conclusively proving it1 as buried with him in baptism proves immersion4 ,however1 being agreed on all these points1 we made no long discourse about them1 but dwelt upon the ,son of ,god as the ,redeemer of ,abraham's seed1 and in whom all the promises of ,god1 including those made to ,abraham1 are yea1 and in him amen4 ,i said to my friends1 ,the ,father1 ,son1 and ,holy ,ghost1 are about to write their several and joint names on this child's forehead4 ,as a lamb has the owner's mark upon his side1 this child is to be claimed by them1 to be brought up for the service and glory of its redeeming ,god4 ,you are to give him away1 to be disposed of by the ,most ,high4 ,you are to be1 for ,him1 what the mother of ,moses was for ,pharaoh's daughter--nurses to your own child4 ,this dear child lay helpless and exposed1 with all of us1 to destruction2 the ,redeemer passed that way2 he heard its cries3 he had compassion upon it2 he saved it from the condemning sentence of divine justice2 and now he calls you1 and says1 ',take this child1 and bring it up for me1 and ,i will give thee thy wages4' ,he does not commit the child to church1 nor pastor1 nor ,sabbath-school1 but to its own father and mother1 who may and will avail themselves of all the appointed and the useful helps for its nurture and admonition in the ,lord2 but he looks to you1 as having the chief and principal responsibility1 to bring up this child for ,god4 ,you covenant to lay your plans for this child1 so that he may1 by the surest means1 live for ,god4 ,to this end you will pray with him and for him2 teach him what was done for him in baptism1 and before1 and afterwards2 how ,god was beforehand with him1 and was found of him who sought him not4 ,he is to be trained up as a ,christian child1 with a view to his early conversion1 and your great concern is not to be1 how he may promote his private happiness1 or yours1 but how he may best serve ,god4 ,to this end1 you will1 from the first1 watch over all his moral faculties1 and instil into him the principles of truth and uprightness2 not letting him run loose among the vanities of the world1 and feed upon its miserable1 corrupted sentiments1 and choose worldly and godless persons for his intimate associates1 his manners and his habits being like a garden which runs to weeds1 and his whole nature left to the perils of sin1 trusting to some sudden act of conversion to bring him right2 but you will rather be diligent to 'fill the water-pots with water1' and wait for ,christ to turn it into wine4 ,you intend1 and you promise1 that you will educate this child from the beginning with all that strictness of ,christian principle which you would expect of him were he1 in his infancy1 to be a professing ,christian1 his duty being the same1 and1 consequently1 yours toward him1 whether he is regenerate or not1--one and the same law of ,god being our rule1 irrespective of conditions4 ,in all times of sickness and peril1 you are to feel that this child is the ,lord's1 to be disposed of by him1 without consulting you4 ,if called to die and leave him1 you will remember that you received him from ,god1 that he belonged to ,god at first1 and when he was placed in your care2 and that ,god1 who thus has the most perfect claim to him1 will perfect that which concerns him1 even if his parents are in the grave4 ,and while you thus covenant with ,god1 the ,father1 ,son1 and ,holy ,ghost1 covenant with you1 and with the child through you1 to be the ,god of your seed1 affording you special help in training the child1 bestowing special blessings upon it tending to its spiritual good1 having a particular regard for it as something lent to him1 and belonging to you2 while1 in another sense1 it is lent to you1 and belongs to him2 and he and you are to regard the child agreeably to this beautiful transmutation of ownership and loan4 ,the baptism itself cannot save the child1 any more than the ,lord's ,supper can save you2 but it is among the first of means to promote the salvation of the child1 not merely through its effect on you1 or its remembered grace and goodness when the child can be made to appreciate it2 but above all1 and through all1 and in all1 it seals that covenant of a covenant-keeping ,god1 assisting your efforts and those of the child1--that promise1 ,i say1 ',i will be his ,god1 and he shall be my son4' ,we named the little boy1 ,,philip1 as a memorial of the road-side baptism4 ,we stood under the shadow of that great rock1 and worshipped ,abraham's ,god4 ,doubtless thou art our father1 though ,abraham be ignorant of us1 and ,israel acknowledge us not4 ,the voice of prayer was joined by chimes and symphonies from trickling rills1 and the freshening breeze in a silver-leaved maple1 leaning at an angle of thirty-five degrees1 just above us in the rock1 all as quiet as the dear infant's breathing2 while1 now and then1 the sudden flapping and rushing of birds' wings made the monotone around us more soothing4 ,from a little jet of water1 that formed an arc of about an inch1 as it burst into life and then disappeared in a great moss-bed1 ,i caught my palm full1 and laid it upon the unconscious head4 ,the little hands were suddenly lifted and dropped1 as though a slight shock had been experienced1 then a smile played round the mouth1 and the sleep seemed deeper4 ,and will ,god in very deed dwell on earth8 ,will the adorable ,trinity be present at such a scene as this8 ,present6 ,all power is given unto me in heaven and in earth4 ,go ye1 therefore1 and teach all nations1 baptizing them in the name of the ,father1 and of the ,son1 and of the ,holy ,ghost4 ,he will not appoint this ordinance1 and fail to be present2 the ,god of redemption is a party to that transaction by which an immortal soul1 with an existence commensurate with his own1 is consecrated to him by its natural guardians1 acting in the place of ,god1 and for the child1 and joining them in covenant4 ,shall we ever forget this8 said the husband to his wife1 as we were riding along that beautiful afternoon4 ,never1 said she2 but she added1 sensible woman as she was1 the beauty and sentiment of the place seemed to me nothing1 compared with the privilege of covenanting with ,god1 and having him covenant with us for the child4 ,after all1 said she1 ,i would have been glad to have had the baptism in our little church at home1 and to have secured good ,mrs4 ,maberry's prayers1 and those of our church1 for the child1 at its baptism4 ,i must write to her1 and get her to tell the ,maternal ,association about it1 and ask them not to forget little ,philip4 ,what would you have named it1 said my wife1 had it been a girl8 ,o1 said she1 smiling1 ,i was thinking on the hill1 that1 if it had been a girl1 ,i should have called it ,candace1 for the ,ethiopian queen4 ,and ,canda1 for shortness and sweetness1 ,i suppose1 said her husband1 his eyes twinkling and sparkling with love1 as he looked at her1 and from her upon us4 ,he's a sweet little thing1 you know he is1 said the mother1 burying her face in the child's bosom1 and giving it something between a good long smell and a good long kiss1 or both2 a thing which mothers alone know exactly how to do4 ,suppose1 said ,i1 that1 instead of little ,philip1 it had been you1 sir1 and ,mrs4 ,blair1 who had needed to be baptized4 ,here you are1 on a journey4 ,you do not know that you will be able to avail yourselves of religious ordinances1 in your new home1 for a long time to come2 and1 besides1 regarding baptism not merely as a profession of religion1 but as an act of ,almighty ,god1 sealing you with his appointed sign of the covenant1 you have strong desires to receive it1 here in this 'way unto ,gaza1 which is desert1' from my hands4 ',see1 here is water1' in rich abundance4 ,but1 alas6 there is no pond1 nor pool1 no lake1 nor river6 ,even if there were1 said my wife to ,mrs4 ,blair1 ,i should shudder to have you venture into untried waters1 in this lonely place4 ,fear1 at least1 would prevent any peace of mind1 or satisfying enjoyment4 ',what doth hinder me to be baptized8' you would properly say to me1 ,i continued4 ',o1' my reply could be1 'the water is not in an available shape4 ,had we time to scoop out a tank in the earth1 or make a stone baptistery in the rock1 then you might be 'buried with him by baptism into death4' ,but it is impossible4 ,this living fountain of waters in the mountain1 full and overflowing though it be1 does not allow of ,christian baptism4 ,besides1 as to suitable apparel1 and all the necessary arrangements for comfort1 not to say propriety1--you see that baptism1 here is out of the question4' ,do you think1 said ,mrs4 ,blair1 that the ,head of the church has appointed any such invariable mode of administering baptism1--one that cannot be applied in numerous cases8 ,i said to her1 ,i cannot believe it4 ,the genius of ,christianity seems opposed to it4 ,let all who will1 use immersion2 we love them still1 and rejoice in their liberty1 but ,i cannot agree that it was the ,new ,testament method4 ,even had it been1 ,i should expect that the rule would be flexible enough to meet cases of necessity4 ,i was thinking1 said ,mr4 ,blair1 that1 at least1 four fifths of all the people of ,god have gone to heaven unbaptized1 if immersion is the only valid mode of baptism4 ,this is rather a serious thing1 if the solemn words1 ',he that believeth1 and is baptized1 shall be saved1' look only to baptism by immersion4 ,it seems to me1 he added1 that the providence of ,god would have brought in some great reformation from so calamitous an error in the church1 if it were an error4 ,some ,luther1 or ,calvin1 or ,knox1 or some ,john ,baptist1 would have been raised up1 as in other emergencies1 to bring the church back to her duty4 ,how clearly1 said ,i1 does that seem to prove that all the people of ,god have1 as ,paul says1 ',one ,lord1 one faith1 one baptism1' however variant their modes of worship and administration may be4 ,how many baptized children1 from ,christian families1 said my wife1 are gathered together in heaven6 ,i cannot think of them as the unfortunate subjects of a superstitious or corrupt observance1 at the hands of the ministers of ,jesus1 in all ages of the world4 ,there must seem to them1 as they increase in knowledge1 a beautiful fitness in their having had those adorable names inscribed upon them1 with ,god's own initiatory seal of his covenant4 ,what loving-kindness it must appear to them1 that ,god gave them the ordinance of baptism1 and became their ,god6 ,how it will stand out before their minds as a principal illustration of being saved by grace6 ,and then1 again1 said ,mr4 ,blair1 think of the millions of children in heaven who were not baptized1--saved1 the most of them1 from heathen and pagan lands4 ,how 'the gift by grace1 which is by one man1 ,jesus ,christ1 hath abounded unto many4' ,baptism is not an austere law4 ,there is nothing austere or rigid1 in any sense1 connected with it2 but it makes me think of the water itself1 scattered in so many beautiful and pliable forms all over the earth1 in fountains1 water-falls1 dew1 rain-drops2 and1 when it cannot 'stand before ,his cold1' it comes down softly upon us1 in crystal asteroids and all the geometrical forms of snow4 ,i love to think that ,god has associated that beautiful element1 the water1 with religion4 ,and now it does not seem accordant with the works and ways of ,him1 of whom we say1 ',how great is his goodness1 how great is his beauty1' to make one obdurate mode of bringing the water in connection with us essential to an ordinance1 whose element seems everywhere to shun preciseness4 ,water is certainly a beautiful emblem of open communion1 said one of the ladies4 ,it must be conscious1 one would think1 of violence done to its ubiquitous nature1 to be made the occasion of separating beloved friends1 at the ,table whose symbolized ,blood has made them one in ,christ4 ,but we had to part4 ,i told them that my wife and ,i would certainly be sponsors for little ,philip1 in the best sense2 we would make a record of its history1 thus far1 among our family memorials2 tell our children about him1 and charge them in after life to inquire for him1 and lose no opportunity of doing him good4 ,though1 as to that1 ,i could not help saying1 no one knows in this world who will be benefactor or beneficiary4 ,our children will always be interested in each other1 said his wife1 for their parents' sake4 ,can we not sing a hymn8 said the husband4 ,we found that our voices made a quartet4 ,susan was ready with her beautiful contralto1 ,mrs4 ,blair sung the soprano1 ,mr4 ,blair the tenor1 and ,i the base4 ,,the ,,baptismal ,,hymn4 ,lord1 what our ears have heard1 ,our eyes delighted trace-- ,thy love1 in long succession shown1 ,to ,zion's chosen race4 ,our children thou dost claim1 ,and mark them out for thine2 ,ten thousand blessings to thy name ,for goodness so divine4 ,thee1 let the fathers own1 ,and thee1 the sons adore1 ,joined to the ,lord in solemn vows1 ,to be forgot no more4 ,thy covenant may they keep1 ,and bless the happy bands ,which closer still engage their hearts1 ,to honor thy commands4 ,how great thy mercies1 ,lord6 ,how plenteous is thy grace6 ,which1 in the promise of thy love1 ,includes our rising race4 ,our offspring1 still thy care1 ,shall own their fathers' ,god2 ,to latest times thy blessings share1 ,and sound thy praise abroad4 ,we saw them and their baggage on board the wagon that was to take them over to the river2 we waved our farewell1 and sent our kisses2 and1 just as they were turning a corner which hid them from our view1 the father stood up in the wagon1 and held little ,philip as high as he could 7the mother1 of course1 reaching up her arms to hold them both fast71 as though to catch the last benediction4 ,the long1 flowing white dress of the child gave the picture a waving1 vanishing effect1 reminding us of our first sight of the cascade1 which1 with the whole transaction to which it gave occasion1 has taken a permanent place in our sleeping and waking dreams4 ,chapter ,ninth4 ,,the ,,children ,,of ,,the ,,church4 ,go1 now1 ye that are men1 and serve the ,lord4--,,pharaoh4 ,we will go with our young1 and with our old1 with our sons1 and with our daughters4--,,moses4 ,hosanna to the ,son of ,david4--,,the ,,children ,,in ,,the ,,temple4 ,the children of thy servants shall continue1 and their seed shall be established before thee4--,,psalm #ajb3bh4 ,the reader will now be introduced1 in imagination1 to a seat in the window of a country parsonage1 with honeysuckle-vines trained over an arched lattice-work that spans the window4 ,there are several large maples in the yard1 which is a grass-plot1 where six gentlemen are enjoying pleasant conversation1 and are seated at their ease1 some in chairs1 and the rest on a sofa1 which1 at the suggestion of a kind lady1 they had lifted from its place in the parlor to the yard4 ,they are all of them pastors of churches1 met1 for social intercourse and friendly counsel1 at the house of one of their number1 with their wives1 who are also together by themselves1 in a pleasant room on the north side of the house1 and into whose sayings and doings these husbands will1 no doubt1 be disposed to make1 in due time1 suitable inquiry4 ,those wonderful little elves1 the humming-birds1 are frequent visitors to those honeysuckles1 under which ,i have placed my reader to be a listener4 ,how many vibrations those little wings make in a minute1 how so long a bill can have subtractive force sufficient to get anything from the flower1 how1 when obtained1 that product is conveyed to the throat1 and where these creatures build their nests1 and whither they migrate1 are questions which will1 perhaps1 divert attention from everything else for a time1 especially if the reader has escaped for a season from a large city1 and is one of those who there dwell in courts4 ,perhaps1 therefore1 he will choose to refresh himself1 in silent contemplation1 in this arbor2 and ,i will make true report of all that transpires in the yard4 ,one of these pastors1 ,mr4 ,a41 has been reading to his brethren1 for their judgment as to the soundness of his views1 a sermon1 not yet preached1 on the relation of baptized children to the church4 ,we will call him1 and two of the ministers who agreed with his views1 by their initials1 respectively1 which consisted of the first three letters of the alphabet2 while the three who dissented from them had1 as initials to their names1 letters remote from these4 ,neither ,messrs4 ,a41 ,b41 and ,c41 nor ,messrs4 ,r41 ,s41 and ,t41 had had any previous concert or comparison of views on this interesting subject2 but they found themselves thus arrayed on different sides of the question4 ,omitting the sermon that gave occasion to the discussion which follows1 a few lines only will put us in possession of the whole subject4 ,i give the opening paragraph3 ,it is held by all who practise infant baptism1 that the children of believers have a peculiar relation to the church4 ,that relation is very generally expressed by the word membership4 ,we have treatises1 by the most orthodox divines1 on the church-membership of the children of believers2 which children they freely call members of the ,christian church2 and1 in catechisms and confessions of faith1 the church of ,christ is declared to consist of such as are in covenant relations with ,god1 and their offspring4 ,the sermon being finished1 ,mr4 ,r4 was first called upon by the chairman1 ,mr4 ,c41 for his remarks4 ,the question1 as stated by the chairman1 was1 ,are the children of believers1 in any sense1 members of the church8 ,if so1 what is it8 and1 if not1 what relation to the church do they sustain8 ,mr4 ,r4 ,i presume that brother ,a4 does not wish us to take up time with criticisms upon his style4 ,he seeks to know our views with regard to the subject of the sermon4 ,i am compelled to say1 at once1 that ,i differ from the views expressed by the reader1 if he means by the terms1 members and membership1 which he employs1 all which they would convey to the majority of hearers4 ,but ,i noticed that when he1 and those excellent men whom he quotes1 come to define what they mean by members1 and membership1 in this connection1 they make explanations1 and qualifications1 and also protestations1 showing that no one can be1 in their view1 a member of the spiritual1 or1 what is called the invisible1 church of ,christ1 without repentance and faith4 ,rightly understood1 therefore1 they are free from any just imputation of making unscriptural terms of membership in the kingdom of ,christ4 ,and1 perhaps1 when those of us who dissent from some of their propositions1 fully understand the limitations which the writers themselves affix to their use of terms1 no great discrepancy will be found to exist4 ,it admits of a question1 therefore1 in my view1 whether the terms members and membership1 as applied to children1 really mean that which these writers themselves intend to convey by them2 for certainly they do not mean all which their readers at first suppose4 ,the terms in question require a great deal of explanation1 which a term1 if possible1 ought never to need4 ,and1 after all has been said1 a wrong impression is conveyed to the minds of many1 while opponents gain undue advantage in arguing against that which1 for substance1 all the friends of infant baptism cordially maintain4 ,if ,br4 ,a4 is asked1 ,in what sense are children members of the church1 he resorts1 for illustration1 to citizenship1 and to the sisterhood in the church itself1 to show how children and females may be members of the community1 and1 in the case of females1 may belong to the church1 while yet their privileges and functions are limited4 ,so1 he says1 the children of believers are a component part of ,god's church1 not entitled to the use of all its privileges till they are renewed by the ,spirit of ,god1 yet so related by the sovereign appointment of ,god to those who are members1 as to be1 in a subordinate sense1 a part of the church4 ,could the friends of infant baptism agree on some term1 which would express their common belief with regard to the relation of believers' children to the church1 better than member1 ,i think it must have a happy effect in promoting harmony of views and feelings1 and take away from others the grounds of several present objections4 ,it was here agreed that1 instead of the question going round to each in turn1 the conversation should be free1 subject to the rule of the chairman4 ,mr4 ,a41 the reader1 then said that he should be glad to learn from his ,br4 ,r4 precisely what his views were of the relation of baptized children to the church4 ,let us see1 he said1 how far we are agreed as to the actual nature of this relation4 ,well1 then1 said ,mr4 ,r41 ,i will begin with this3 ,they are the children of ,god's friends4 ,we all know how ,god reminds ,israel of their relation to ,abraham1 his friend1 tells them they are beloved for the fathers' sakes1 and he remembers his covenant with those friends of his1 their fathers1 when provoked by the children's sins4 ,toward the child of one who loves ,god 7not merely a church-member1 but a friend of ,god71 ,i suppose there are affections on the part of ,god1 of which our own feelings toward the child of a dear ,christian friend are a representation4 ,this love to the child of his friend1 ,i always thought1 is the great element in that arrangement of the ,most ,high which we call the ,abrahamic covenant2 for he who made us1 knew how much a love for our children1 on the part of others1 draws us together1 and what bonds are constituted and strengthened between men through their children2 and that one great means of promoting love to ,him would be1 his manifesting special love and care for the offspring of those who love him4 ,god has a people1 friends2 and the children of such are the children of his dearly-beloved friends4 ,in this we are all agreed4 ,certainly1 said ,mr4 ,a41 but you will go further than this1 ,i presume4 ,mr4 ,r4 ,yes1 ,mr4 ,chairman4 ,one thing more is true of them3 ,they are the principal source of the church's increase4 ,the selection of ,abraham1 with a view to make of his lineage1 the banks1 within whose defensive influences grace should find helps in making its way in this ungodly world1 had reference1 ,i believe1 to that power of hereditary family influence1 which has not ceased1 and will not cease1 to the end of time4 ,it is beautiful and affecting to see that recognition of our free agency1 and that unwillingness ever to interfere with it1 which leads the ,most ,high to fall in with the principles of our nature established by himself1 in placing his chief reliance on the natural love of parents for their offspring to contribute1 by far1 the larger part of those who shall be converted4 ,in this arrangement and expectation do we not find the deep roots of infant baptism8 which thus appears to be neither ,jewish nor ,gentile1 but grows out of our nature itself1 which also requires1 which demands1 some rite1 a symbolic sign and seal4 ,god made the children of ,adam partakers with him of his curse2 so that the parental and filial relation was1 from the beginning made a stream to bear along the consequences of the first transgression4 ,no new thing1 therefore1 was instituted when ,god1 in calling ,abraham1 appointed the parental and filial relation to bear1 on its deep and mighty stream1 the most powerful means of godliness in all coming generations4 ,how little do we think of this1 ,mr4 ,chairman1 and brethren2 how apt we are to neglect this great arrangement of divine providence and grace1--the perpetuation of the church1 chiefly by means of the parental and filial relation4 ,but1 if such be the divine appointment1 and the children of believers are therefore the most hopeful sources of the church's increase1 of course they may be said to belong to the church1 in a peculiar sense1 but without being members4 ,mr4 ,a4 ,i think you are coming on very well toward my ground4 ,i certainly agree with you thus far4 ,mr4 ,r4 ,if ,i am not taking up too much time1 ,mr4 ,chairman1 ,i should like to proceed a little further1 in order to do full justice to my views4 ,if ,i am found to agree with ,br4 ,a41 it will be just as pleasant as though he agreed with me4 ,chairman4 ,please to proceed4 ,two things which are equal to the same thing1 are equal to each other4 ,mr4 ,r4 ,i will1 then1 say1 once more3 ,the children of believers are the subjects of preeminent privileges and blessings4 ,special promises are made to them from love to their parents2 great advantages are theirs1 directly and indirectly1 from their relation to those who are the true worshippers of ,god2 forbearance1 long suffering1 the remembrance of consecrations and vows1 prevail with ,god1 oftentimes1 in their behalf when they have broken their father's commandment and forsaken the law of their mother4 ,no words of tenderness1 in any relation of life1--said ,mr4 ,r41 turning to the ,psalms1--surpass those1 in which are described the feelings of ,god toward the rebellious sons of ,abraham3 ,but he1 being full of compassion1 forgave their iniquity1 and destroyed them not2 yea1 many a time turned he his anger away1 and did not stir up all his wrath4 ,for he remembered his holy promise1 and ,abraham his servant4 ,god still remembers ,abraham1 his servant1 in the person of every father and mother who loves him1 and is steadfast in his covenant2 and the generation of the upright shall be blessed4 ,mistakes in family government1 growing out of wrong principles1 too great reliance upon future conversion1 and the neglect of that moral training which is essential to the best development of religious character1 and1 indeed1 without which religious character is often a melancholy distortion1 or sadly defective1 may be followed by their natural consequences2 and we cannot complain1--for ,god works no miracle1 nor turns aside any great law1 in favor of our misconduct2 yet it remains true that all who love and serve him1 and command their children and households to fear the ,lord1 enforcing it in all the proper ways of government1 discipline1 example1 and the right observance of religious ordinances1 public and private1 may expect peculiar blessings upon their offspring4 ,one of the youngest of the company1 the father of one young child1 here inquired1 if the speaker would have us infer that the conversion of such children is to be looked for as a matter of course4 ,mr4 ,r4 ,ordinarily1 they will grow up in the nurture and admonition of the ,lord1 to be followers of ,christ2 the proportion of persons baptized on admission to the church1 will become small2 a healthful tone of religious feeling will pervade our churches2 less and less reliance will be placed on startling measures1 on splendid talents1 on novelties1 to promote the cause of religion2 but ,christian families will extend like the cultivated fields of different proprietors1 whose green and flowering hedges1 instead of stone walls1 mingle all into one landscape4 ,and the work of righteousness shall be peace1 and the effect of righteousness1 quietness and assurance forever4 ,and my people shall dwell in a peaceable habitation1 and in sure dwellings1 and in quiet resting-places4 ,and all thy children shall be taught of the ,lord1 and great shall be the peace of thy children4 ,such1 ,i believe1 is sure to be the manner of the church's prosperity1 and therefore the children who are to be the subjects of these inestimable blessings must be said1 in some sense1 to belong to the church1 they being the objects of special regard with the church and with ,god4 ,br4 ,a4 agrees with me in all this1 ,i presume4 ,mr4 ,a4 ,entirely2 or1 rather1 you agree with me4 ,now1 ,br4 ,a41 said an earnest man of the company1--who1 however1 immediately checked himself1 and bowed to ,mr4 ,r41 and said1 ,i dare say1 ,mr4 ,chairman1 that ,br4 ,r4 was going to put the very question which ,i intended to ask4 ,mr4 ,r4 ,proceed1 ,br4 ,s4 ,i owe an apology for speaking so much4 ,mr4 ,s4 ,will ,br4 ,a41 ,mr4 ,chairman1 please to tell us why he feels obliged to call these children members of the church8 ,for1 we all know1 that1 notwithstanding all these glorious things1 which are spoken of them1 to which ,br4 ,a4 has also referred1 not one baptized child of a true believer can be1 really1 a member of the church1 in regular standing1 till he1 like the unbaptized heathen convert1 has repented of his sins and believed on the ,lord ,jesus4 ,all the promises and privileges appertaining to his relationship as a child of a believer1 promote1 and make more certain1 his repentance and faith2 and therefore1 if asked1 ,what profit1 then1 hath circumcision1 and its substitute1 infant baptism8 we can reply1 ,much every way2 but it never stood1 and never can stand1 in the place of justification by free grace through the personal exercise of faith in the ,redeemer4 ,mr4 ,c4 ,but ,i wish to ask1 in the name of ,br4 ,a41 and for my own sake1 what objection there is to retaining the name1 member1 in this connection8 ,mr ,s4 ,my answer is1 it is the occasion of great stumbling to those who reject infant baptism1 and are confirmed in rejecting it1 by misapprehending the views and feelings of many who use the term in an objectionable sense4 ,the discussion now became animated4 ,mr4 ,s4 said that he had a further objection4 ,it leads many1 who use it erroneously1 into perplexing and fruitless positions4 ,assuming that the children are members of the church1 they discuss the question1 as the sermon has stated1 ,of what church are they members8 ,some reply1 ,of the church to which their parents belong4 ,others say nay1 but of the church universal4 ,then they feel it incumbent upon them to provide some means of discipline for these so-called members4 ,in case they grow up1 and neglect to come with their parents to the ,lord's ,supper1 must they not be disciplined8 ,some insist that discipline1 in some of its forms1 must be administered1 and1 in certain cases1 excommunication must take place4 ,mr4 ,t4 ,i know it1 and ,i wonder at it4 ,i should like to ask1 who has deputed to any church the power to say when the divine forbearance with a child of the covenant has come to an end8 ,does it terminate at the age of twenty-one in the case of male children1 and at eighteen in the case of females8 ,david1 when a full-grown man1 plead the covenant of ,god with his mother3 ,o ,lord1 truly ,i am thy servant2 ,i am thy servant1 and the son of thine handmaid4 ,or1 does it cease on the child's leaving the parental roof for another place of residence8 ,or1 on entering upon the married state8 ,or1 upon the commission of some great act of outward transgression1 shall we pronounce the covenant to be dissolved8 ,do we not see that we are meddling with a divine prerogative1 if we assume to act in such cases8 ,expostulations1 warnings1 entreaties1 from parents1 pastor1 brethren of the church1 may always be in place2 but further than these we cannot proceed4 ,perhaps1 too1 said ,mr4 ,r41 if discipline were to fall anywhere1 it might more justly descend on the parents of such a child4 ,mr4 ,t4 ,the seeming mockery of a church punishing a youth for the neglect of that which he himself never promised to do1 would most likely have the effect to drive him to a returnless distance from the church1 extinguishing the last ray of hope as to his conversion4 ,a fit parallel to such proposed church-discipline of children1 is found in the practice1 which was not uncommon1 twenty-five years ago1 in a region of our country where great religious excitements prevailed for some time1 when it was publicly recommended1 in preaching and from the press1 that parents who had labored in vain for the conversion of children1 should1 in certain cases1 punish them1 to make them submit to ,god4 ,mr4 ,d4 ,is it possible8 ,mr4 ,t4 ,yes1 sir2 and the records of those times furnish instances in which this was done4 ,of such means of grace1 ,i am happy to say1 we have no such custom1 neither the churches of ,god4 ,mr4 ,s4 ,nor shall we probably ever see young people disciplined by the churches1 for not repenting and believing the ,gospel4 ,it is insisted on as theoretically proper1 but they have never ventured to carry it out in practice4 ,mr4 ,c41 the chairman1 said1 ,brethren1 there is strong authority in favor of the sermon4 ,since you have been talking1 ,i have been looking over ,dr4 ,hopkins's works1 to find this passage1 which1 if you please1 ,i will read4 ,dr4 ,hopkins says3 ,though under the milder dispensation of the ,gospel1 no one is to be put to death for rejecting ,christ and the ,gospel1 even though he were before this a member of the visible church1 yet he is to be cut off1 and cast out of the visible kingdom of ,christ4 ,and every child in the church1 who grows up in disobedience to ,christ1 and1 in this most important concern1 will not obey his parents1 is thus to be rejected and cut off1 after all proper means are used by his parents1 and the church1 to reclaim him1 and bring him to his duty4 ,such an event will be viewed by ,christian parents as worse than death1 and is suited to be a constant1 strong motive to concern1 prayer1 and fidelity1 respecting their children1 and their education2 and it tends to have an equally desirable effect upon children1 and must greatly impress the hearts of those who are in any degree considerate and serious4 ,again3 ,when the children arrive at an age in which they are capable of acting for themselves in matters of religion1 and making a profession of their adherence to the ,christian faith1 and practice1 and coming to the ,lord's ,supper1 if they neglect and refuse to do this1 and act contrary to the commands of ,christ in any other respect1 all proper means are to be used1 and methods taken1 to bring them to repentance1 and to do their duty as ,christians1 and1 if they cannot be reclaimed1 but continue impenitent and unreformed1 they are to be rejected and cast out of the church1 as other adult members are who persist in disobedience to ,christ4#h ,footnote #h3 ,hopkins's ,works 7#aheb71 vol4 ii41 pp4 #aeh1 #agf4 ,such words1 from such a source1 said ,mr4 ,c41 are entitled to great consideration4 ,but1 said ,mr4 ,s41 here is a passage from his own theological instructor1 ,president ,edwards3 ,it is asked1' he says1 'why these children1 that were born in the covenant1 are not cast out when1 in adult age1 they make no profession4' ,he replies1 ',they are not cast out1 because it is a matter held in suspense whether they do cordially consent to the covenant or not2 or whether their making no profession does not arise from some other cause2 and none are to be excommunicated without some positive evidence against them4' ,my dear sir1 said ,mr4 ,a41 ,mr4 ,edwards is there speaking of those who merely refuse to own the covenant1 without being guilty of scandalous sin4 ,mr4 ,s4 ,it is evident1 nevertheless1 that ,hopkins goes further than he1 and requires that those who1 at years of full responsibility1 refuse to own the covenant1 shall be cut off4 ,modern writers on this subject1 while insisting on the church-membership of children1 draw back from this position1 and are more in harmony with what1 it seems to me1 may be said to be the general sense of the churches on this subject4 ,i feel glad1 when reading such passages as those from ,hopkins1 that we have liberty of opinion1 and are not compelled to swear by the words of any master4 ,i bow to such a divine as ,dr4 ,hopkins1 but he fails to satisfy me that he is right in these views of church-discipline for children4 ,mr4 ,r41 who was the oldest man of the company1 now returned to the discussion1 and said3 ,it is clear that one cannot be dispossessed of that which he never possessed1 except as in the case of a minor1 who may have his claim to a future possession wrested from him4 ,of what is a child of the covenant1 allowing him to be1 while a child1 a member of the church1--of what is he in possession8 ,not of full communion1 not of access to the ,lord's table1 not of the right to a voice in the call and settlement of a pastor1 nor in any other church act4 ,from what1 then1 is he turned out by being cut off8 ,he has never arrived at anything from which he can be separated1 except the covenant of ,god with him through his parents1 and its attendant privileges of watch and care4 ,if1 then1 we excommunicate an unconverted child1 we can only declare the covenant of ,god with him1 henceforth1 to be null and void1--an assumption from which1 probably1 ,christian parents and ministers would shrink4 ,the same long-suffering ,god1 who bears and forbears with ourselves1 we shall be disposed to feel1 is the ,god of this recreant child1 and no good man would dare to pronounce the child to be separated from the mercies of 'the ,god of patience and hope4' ,one who1 being in a church1 breaks a covenant to which he assented1 may be a just subject for discipline1 even to excommunication2 but1 all the promises of ,god to the child being wholly free1 conditioned1 at first1 upon his parents' relation to ,god1 all the disability which the child seems capable of receiving1 is1 that the promises made to him he must fail1 by his own fault1 to receive4 ,who will declare even his prospect of their fulfilment to be terminated at any given time8 ,much more1 who will undertake to divest him of things which he never had8 ,the church-membership1 from which you profess to expel him1 does not yet exist in his case2 he has not reached it4 ,all the church-membership of which1 if any1 he has been possessed1 is1 his hopeful relation to ,god and his people through a parent4 ,to excommunicate a child from this would be a strange procedure4 ,mr4 ,a4 ,that is the strongest thing which ,i have heard on that side4 ,i must confess 7said he1 rising and leaning against one of the maples7 that ,i am a little staggered4 ,but ,mr4 ,b4 came to reinforce his faltering brother4 ,here1 said he1 is the ,cambridge ,platform4 ,you will all be willing to hear from that source4 ,let us hear1 said two or three voices4 ,mr4 ,b4 read as follows3 ,the like trial 7examination7 is to be required from such members of the church as were born in the same1 or received their membership1 and were baptized in their infancy or minority1 by virtue of the covenant of their parents1 when1 being grown up unto years of discretion1 they shall desire to be made partakers of the ,lord's ,supper2 unto which1 because holy things must not be given to the unworthy1 therefore it is requisite that these1 as well as others1 should come to their trial and examination1 and manifest their faith and repentance by an open profession thereof before they are received to the ,lord's ,supper1 and otherwise not to be admitted thereunto4 ,yet those church-members that were so born1 or received in their childhood1 before they are capable of being made partakers of full communion1 have many privileges which others1 not church-members1 have not2 they are in covenant with ,god1 have the seal thereof upon them1 namely1 baptism2 and so1 if not regenerated1 yet are in a more hopeful way of attaining regenerating grace1 and all the spiritual blessings both of the covenant and seal2 they are also under church-watch1 and consequently subject to the reprehensions1 admonitions1 and censures thereof1 for their healing and amendment1 as need shall require4#i ,footnote #i3 ,cambridge ,platform1 chap4 iii4 #g4 ,mr4 ,r4 ,now1 please1 ,br4 ,b41 what does all that prove8 ,mr4 ,b4 ,why1 it proves that1 in the judgment of the ,cambridge ,platform1 the children of church-members are members of the churches4 ,mr4 ,r4 ,it shows that the ,cambridge ,platform calls them members2 but it gives us no proof that they are properly called members4 ,a great deal in that extract1 ,i undertake to say1 will command the cordial assent of all who practise infant baptism1 if we except the use of the term members4 ,it shows that1 as to coming into the company of true believers1 and being one of them1 the only way is through repentance and faith1--a way common to the unbaptized4 ,the only advantage1 but one which is exceedingly great and precious on the part of the believer's children1 being1 that they have many privileges1 and are in a more hopeful way of attaining regenerating grace4 ,but the term membership does not express their relation to the church before they are converted4 ,mr4 ,b4 7,after a pause47 ,i do not know but you are right4 ,mr4 ,c41 the remaining advocate of the sermon1 said1 ,let me refresh your memories with the famous case quoted in ,morton's ,new ,england ,memorial4 ,he says3 ',the two ministers there 7,salem1 #afbi71 being seriously studious of reformation1 they considered the state of their children1 together with their parents1 concerning which letters did pass between ,mr4 ,higginson 7of ,salem7 and ,mr4 ,brewster1 the reverend elder of the church of ,plymouth2 and they did agree in their judgments1 namely1 concerning the church-membership of the children with their parents1 and that baptism was a seal of their membership2 only1 when they were adult1 they being not scandalous1 they were to be examined by the church officers1 and upon their approbation of their fitness1 and upon the children's public and personally owning of the covenant1 they were to be received unto the ,lord's ,supper4 ,accordingly1 ,mr4 ,higginson's eldest son1 being about fifteen years of age1 was owned to have been received a member together with his parents1 and being privately examined by the pastor1 ,mr4 ,skelton 7the other minister of ,salem71 about his knowledge in the principles of religion1 he did present him before the church when the ,lord's ,supper was to be administered1 and1 the child then publicly and personally owning the covenant of the ,god of his father1 he was admitted unto the ,lord's ,supper1 it being there professedly owned1 according to #a ,cor4 #g3ad1 that the children of the church are holy unto the ,lord1 as well as their parents4' ,mr4 ,r4 stood up1 and1 with an animated look and manner1 but with a very pleasant voice1 said3 ,what1 now1 my good brother1 did these good ministers do1 with this youth1 more or less than we all do for the children of our pastoral charge8 ,of what practical use was his so-called infant 'church-membership1' in addition to his being1 as we all hold1 a child of the covenant8 ,they made no reply for a little while1 till at last ,mr4 ,a4 said3 ,well1 ,br4 ,r41 what names would you substitute for members and membership8 ,mr4 ,r4 ,,the ,,children ,,of ,,the ,,church2 for you have it in the last sentence of the extract which you read from ,morton2--the true1 the most appropriate1 and1 in every respect1 the best name for those who are so ambiguously called members4 ,mr4 ,b4 ,there is great beauty and sweetness in that name1 ,i confess1--the children of the church1 the church's children4 ,mr4 ,r4 ,a father never1 except for concealment1 says1 a member of my family1 when a child is meant4 ,the term members1 besides being equivocal1 and requiring explanation1 is not so good as children of the church1 an expression which includes and covers all that any would claim for infant church-members4 ,mr4 ,c4 ,i confess1 ,i like ,br4 ,r4's views and proposition4 ,if1 by calling the offspring of believers1 the children of the church1 we1 by implication1 abridged any of their privileges1 or if1 by calling them church-members1 we believed that they acquired rights and privileges not otherwise appertaining to them1 we ought to prefer the words member and membership2 but it is not so4 ,no one of the writers cited1--and the proofs we all know could be extended by quoting from other authors1--claims the right of a child to full communion1 except upon evidence1 in his trial and examination1 that he is regenerate4 ,indeed1 the only use to which the terms member and membership seem to be applied1 is1 in furnishing some ground for urging the discipline and excommunication of the child4 ,this1 though urged by some1 is urged in vain4 ,mr4 ,r4 ,other terms1 in connection with members and membership1 have been proposed1 such as members in minority1 members in suspension1 future members2 but all in vain4 ,the children of believers are certainly the children of the church1 and such ,i devoutly hope and pray they may come to be called4 ,mr4 ,a4 ,seeing that the use of the term member keeps before our minds a theoretical1 hard necessity1 from which every one shrinks1 ,i think ,i will alter my sermon so far as to dismiss the term1 and1 with it1 all sense of inconsistency in neglected obligations as to disciplining these young members4 ,well1 ,br4 ,a41 said ,mr4 ,b41 ,i will join you in submission4 ,so will ,i1 said ,mr4 ,c4 ,how good it is to be convinced1 and to give up one's own will2 is it not8 ,it ought to be1 said ,mr4 ,a41 to those whose great business it is to preach submission4 ,but ,i think we did not differ at first1 except as to the use of terms4 ,mr4 ,t4 ,i wish to make a confession4 ,though ,i have always been of ,br4 ,r4's opinion1 ,i have felt it to be invidious1 and1 for several reasons1 disagreeable1 to call a meeting of the children of the church1--making a distinction between them and the other children of my pastoral charge4 ,am ,i correct in such views and feelings8 ,come1 ,mr4 ,chairman1 said ,mr4 ,a41 we have not paid you sufficient deference1 ,i fear2 for we have hardly kept order1 in addressing one another1 and not through you4 ,now1 please to speak for us1 and tell us what you think of ,br4 ,t4's difficulty4 ,mr4 ,c4 ,i have sinned with you1 as to keeping order1 if there has been any transgression2 but ,i have been so much interested and instructed1 that ,i forgot my preminence over you4 ,but to ,br4 ,t41 ,i would say1 ,there is a church2 and it means something1 and something of infinite importance4 ,all our labors have this for their end1 to make men qualified for worthy church-membership1 on earth1 and in heaven1--the conditions of admission here and there1 as we hold1 being essentially the same4 ,this church1 which we thus build up1 has children1 call them what we may1 the objects of ,god's peculiar love4 ,on that topic ,i need not dwell4 ,we ought to pay some marks of special regard to these children1 for ,god has done so4 ,as to its being invidious1 it is not more invidious than to address our congregations as partly ,christians1 and partly unconverted2 or to invite the unconverted to meetings especially designed for them4 ,meetings of the children of my church1 called by me1 and addressed by me1 never fail to make very deep impressions upon the young1 upon their parents1 upon other children1 and upon the parents of those children4 ,another form of effecting the same desirable ends1 is1 to call meetings of parents in the church1 and their children1 and to address the parents and the children in sight and hearing of each other4 ,in doing so1 if there are any parents in the church who are withholding their children from baptism1 we have the best of opportunities to conciliate their feelings to the ordinance of baptism4 ,we all know how little is effected in our minds by abstract reasoning upon any subject1 where the feelings are deeply concerned2 close argument1 invincible logic1 absolute demonstrations1 and all measures seemingly intended to corce the will1 excite resistance1 and confirm us in our prejudices4 ,but open to a parent1 who has doubts on the subject1 its inestimable benefits to all concerned1 and he will be more disposed to see the grounds for it1 and the abundant proofs of its divine authority1 which the atmosphere of pure reason had not sufficient power of refraction to make him apprehend4 ,mr4 ,s4 ,i thank the chairman heartily for those remarks4 ,may ,i add a leaf from my observation8 ,i have noticed that in such meetings of parents1 in the church1 and their children1 good influences sometimes reach those who are pursuing the mistaken course of withholding their children from baptism1 under the plea that they can consecrate their children to ,god as well without baptism1 as with it4 ,they need to learn the spiritual power which ,god has vested in the sacraments of his own appointment1 and to be disabused of the notion that the baptism of a child is1 from beginning to end1 merely a human act1 of which ,god is only a spectator2--they need to feel that baptism is something conferred upon a child by ,god2 and not merely a sign1 but a seal4 ,yes1 said ,mr4 ,r41 it is an ordinance of ,god1 and the neglect of it is not merely a failure to obtain blessings1 but a disregard of a divine ordinance2 not merely the withholding a sign of allegiance1 but the loss of a seal1--the government seal1 not ours1 which ,god would affix to the intercourse between himself and our souls4 ,if we1 pastors1 feel this deeply1 and so perceive the design of ,god in bestowing baptism upon the children of his people1 we shall convey to the hearts and minds of doubting ,christian parents1 persuasive influences1 which will succeed where arguments and appeals1 based on mere proofs and obligations1 have failed4 ,mr4 ,a4 ,it is gratifying1 now1 to think that these things1 and others like them1 may be done without calling the children members of the church4 ,except discipline1 it is obvious that everything in the way of watchfulness may be done for them as children of the church1 which it would be proper1 or even possible to do1 if they were counted as members4 ,mr4 ,r4 ,i am aware of the analogy which many1 who plead for the term members1 seek to carry out between the ,old and the ,new ,testament church1 making children members of the ,christian church1 because the church in ancient days included the children4 ,but it seems to me that there is the same difference1 now and formerly1 between the relation of children to the church1 that there is between the relation of the whole religious community1 now and formerly1 to the church of ,god4 ,formerly1 all the members of the religious community were1 by their association under the same belief and worship1 members of the church4 ,to make the case with us parallel1 our whole ,christian community ought to be members of the church4 ,no examination or discrimination should be used2 to belong to the ,christian community should constitute church-membership4 ,but this1 we know1 is not the case4 ,god chooses now to make up his visible church not as formerly1 but of those who give credible evidence of regeneration4 ,they who worship with us1 but do not profess to be ,christians1 are hopeful subjects of effort and prayer1 whom we expect to receive hereafter to the visible church1 on profession of their faith4 ,as the ,christian church is constituted differently from the ,jewish church1 in this respect1 discrimination and separation taking place between the members of a ,christian congregation1 have we not analogical reason to infer that it may also be thus with regard to children8--who once1 indeed1 were members of the church of ,god1 but1 under the dispensation of the ,spirit1 they fall1 with other unconverted members of the congregation1 out of membership in the church4 ,mr4 ,c4 ,and yet1 ,br4 ,r41 the fall is not far1 nor hurtful4 ,they are entitled to all the privileges1 and they enjoy1 or should enjoy1 all the care and effort1 which they would have under a different name4 ,only they do not come to the ,lord's ,supper1 as a matter of course1 as they did to the ,passover4 ,mr4 ,s4 ,suppose that the legislature should incorporate a fish-market1 and cede to the proprietors fifteen square miles of the sea1 within which they should have the privilege of taking fish4 ,all the fish1 within those fifteen miles of salt water1 might be said to belong to the market2 yet every one of them must be taken by hook and line ere his belonging to the market is of any practicable value4 ,so the children of the church may be said to belong to the church1 and are to constitute her chief resource4 ,rivers1 and other distant or neighboring waters1 would also send fish to that market1 even if they were far off2 but it is from the bay at her doors that the market would derive her principal supplies4 ,i do not see that children are members of the church1 any further than those fishes belong to that market4 ,go there when you will1 you see the stalls filled from those adjacent waters2 supplies are continually coming in2 they are1 in a sense1 secured to the market by a covenant2 yet every fish is caught and handled1 before he has anything like membership in that market1 as really as though he swam and were caught in ,baffin's ,bay2--only he is now far more likely to be caught1 and1 in a sense1 he already belongs to the market by the seal of the state4 ,mr4 ,a41 the reader of the sermon1 not having much ideality1 but much plain good sense1 yet taking everything literally at first1 and from his own honesty supposing that all figures of speech are to be cashed1 as it were1 for what they purport on their face1 immediately challenged his brother to carry out the illustration4 ,he asked him whether the constant passage1 in and out1 of fishes from and beyond the ceded fifteen miles1 allowed of any resemblance1 in the migratory creatures1 to the children of the church1 who are born and remain in the limits of the church1 and are designated1 individually1 by virtue of their parentage4 ,mr4 ,s4 replied1 that he did not mean to make a comparison to satisfy all the points of the case1 and he hoped that the brethren would take it with due allowance4 ,mr4 ,t4 said that he had thought of this illustration3 ,all the young male children of the ,levites might be said to be members of the priesthood4 ,they certainly 'belonged' to the priesthood4 ,but no one of them could officiate till he had complied with certain conditions1 nor if he was the subject of certain disabilities4 ,he believed that the children of ,god's people have1 by the grace of ,god1 as really a presumptive relation1 by future membership1 to the church of ,christ1 as an infant ,levite boy had to sacred offices2 prayer1 with the child1 as well as for it1 and faithful training1 with a spiritual use of ,god's appointed ordinances1 constitute1 he was persuaded1 as good reason to hope that the child of a true believer will become a ,christian1 and that1 too1 early in life1 as that the young son of ,levi would minister in the levitical office4 ,o1 said ,mr4 ,b41 how many cases there are which seem to disprove that4 ,you will be obliged to reflect severely on some good people as parents1 if you take so strong ground4 ,mr4 ,t4 ,i do not despair of a child whose parents1 or parent1 has really covenanted with ,god for him1 even though the child be long a wanderer from the fold4 ,but it is the same now with ,abraham's spiritual seed as it was with his natural posterity1--neglect on the part of parents may work a forfeiture of the covenant promises2 failure in family government1 above all things1 may frustrate every good influence which would otherwise have had a powerful effect in the conversion of the child4 ,the sons of ,eli were not well governed2 ,esau was evidently of an undisciplined spirit4 ,with regard to the children of several good men1 in the ,bible1 it may be inferred1 that the public engagements of the fathers hindered them from bestowing needful attention upon their sons4 ,the only thing derogatory to the prophet ,samuel1 of which we are informed1 is1 that his sons were vile4 ,with regard to certain cases of mournful wickedness1 on the part of the children of eminently good men1 it will be found that some of these men1 occupying1 perhaps1 important stations of a public nature1 such as the ,christian ministry1 were so engrossed in their public duties as not to give sufficient time and attention to their own families2 which is a great shame and folly in any father of a family4 ,in vain do we plead the covenant promises1 if we neglect covenant duties4 ,grace is not hereditary in any sense that compromises our free agency2 its subjects are born not of blood2 there are many of the children of the kingdom who will be cast out into outer darkness1 but among them1 we may venture to say1 will not be found those whose parents diligently sought their moral and religious culture in the exercise of a strict1 judicious1 affectionate1 prayerful1 watch and care1 praying with them in secret1 which1 it seems to me1 is1 perhaps1 the most powerful of all the means which a parent can use to influence the moral and religious character of a child4 ,is it not a mournful inconsistency1 said ,mr4 ,r41 for us to be laboring and spending our strength and lives for the conversion and salvation of others1 and not be equally zealous for the souls of the children whom ,god has given us8 ,mr4 ,c4 ,our habits of seclusion and study may operate to make us reserved1 moody1 and so repulsive1 to our own children4 ,we ought to be interested in their every-day affairs1 and watch for opportunities to form their opinions1 on moral as well as religious subjects1 and be as kind and assiduous to them1 certainly1 as we endeavor to be to other children4 99 99 99 99 99 ,what more could these good men have said1 with regard to the subject1 had they concluded to adopt the terms member and membership1 to express the relation of children to the church8 ,they were not conscious of omitting or diminishing one privilege or blessing to which the children of the church are entitled2 everything which the most strenuous advocates of infant church-membership1 so called1 mention as accruing to them1 they claimed in their behalf4 ,did infant church-membership admit to the ,lord's ,supper1 as it did to the passover1 the children would now1 with propriety1 be said to be members of the church4 ,but1 inasmuch as1 under the ,christian dispensation1 they cannot come to the sacrament which distinguishes between the regenerate and the unregenerate1 without a change of heart1 they1 and all those who are associated with the church in general acts of worship1 and in ,christian privileges1 but are not converted persons1 are1 alike1 under the ,christian system1 removed from outward membership--only1 that the children of the church have privileges and promises which go far to increase the probability of their future church-membership1 and directly to prepare them for that sacred relation4 ,,the ,,children ,,of ,,the ,,church1 then1 is the sufficient name by which it seems desirable that the children of believers should be designated4 ,and1 instead of using the term church-membership1 applied to them1 we shall include everything which is properly theirs1 we shall lose nothing1 we shall prevent great misunderstanding1 and liability to perversion1 by substituting the ,relation of ,baptized ,children to the ,church1 whenever we wish to express the peculiar and most precious connection which they hold1 in the arrangements of divine grace1 with the covenant people of ,god4 ,chapter ,tenth4 ,,maternal ,,associations4 ,the mother1 in her office1 holds the key ,of the soul2 and she it is who stamps the coin ,of character1 and makes the being1 who would be a savage ,but for her gentle cares1 a ,christian man4 --,then1 crown her ,queen o' the world4 ,,old ,,play4 ,the pastors now adjourned their session under the maples1 and repaired to the room where their wives were sitting4 ,the ladies had finished their deliberations1 and had been strolling in the woods4 ,but they1 too1 had been engaged1 like their husbands1 in conversation about their children1 and the children of the church4 ,maternal ,associations had been the chief topic4 ,they had discussed their advantages1 and had considered objections to them4 ,the result was1 that they had unanimously agreed to promote such associations in their respective churches4 ,their influence on young mothers1 in helping them to train their children1 affording them the results of experience gained by others2 the privilege of stating difficult and trying cases for advice1 of praying together for their children1 of having those mothers1 during the intervals of their monthly meetings1 pray for the children of their sisters1 and sometimes1 specially1 for a child in peculiar need of prayer1 commended these associations to their judgment and affections4 ,one lady referred to the possible disclosure of family secrets1 at such meetings1 which it was unpleasant to hear1 and to the undesirableness of revealing the faults of a child4 ,they agreed that these things should never be done1 and that it was easy to avoid them by employing a friend1 if necessary1 to state the case1 hypothetically1 so as to conceal its connection with any member of the circle4 ,the ladies had gone so far as to adopt a little manual1 for their respective circles1 which they submitted to their husbands for criticism4 ,one of the gentlemen read it1 as follows3 ,,maternal ,,associations4 ,maternal ,associations are designed for mutual instruction and consultation1 in connection with united prayer4 ,subjects for reading and discussion relate chiefly to the physical1 mental1 moral1 and religious training of children4 ,some individual is usually prepared at each meeting to give method and tone to the conversation1 which might otherwise become desultory4 ,the faults of children who are known to the members are not made the subject of remark2 but cases of difficulty are so presented as to avoid individual exposure4 ,associations conducted on these principles are found to be greatly beneficial4 ,,constitution ,,of----,,church ,,maternal ,,association4 ,impressed with a sense of our entire dependence upon the ,holy ,spirit to aid us in training up our children in the way they should go1 and hoping to obtain the blessing of such as fear the ,lord and speak often to one another1 we1 the subscribers1 do unitedly pledge ourselves to meet at stated seasons for prayer and mutual counsel in reference to our maternal duties and responsibilities4 ,with a view to this object1 we adopt the following constitution3 ,,article ,i4 ,this circle shall be called the ',maternal ,association of----,church2' any member of which1 sustaining the maternal relation1 may become a member by subscribing this constitution4 ,other individuals1 sustaining the same relation1 may be admitted to membership by a vote of two thirds of the members present4 ,,art4 ,,ii4 ,the monthly meetings of this ,association shall be held on the----of the month4 ,,art4 ,,iii4 ,the quarterly meetings in ,january1 ,april1 ,july1 and ,october1 shall be held on the last ,wednesday of the month1 when the members shall be allowed to bring to the place of meeting such of their children as may be under the age of twelve years1 and they shall be considered members of the ,association4 ,the exercises at these meetings shall be such as shall seem best calculated to instruct the minds and interest the feelings of the children who may be present4 ,,art4 ,,iv4 ,at each quarterly meeting there shall be a small contribution by the children for benevolent purposes4 ,,art4 ,v4 ,the time appropriated for each meeting shall not exceed one hour and a half1 and shall be exclusively devoted to the object of the ,association4 ,every monthly meeting shall be opened by prayer and reading a portion of ,scripture1 which may be followed by reading such other matter as relates to the interests of the ,association1 or by conversation tending to promote maternal faithfulness and piety4 ,these exercises may be interspersed with singing the songs of ,zion1 and with humble and importunate prayer1 that ,god would glorify himself in the early conversion of the children of the ,association1 that they may become eminently useful in the church of ,christ4 ,it is desirable that the last meeting in the year be spent in reading the ,scriptures and in prayer4 ,,art4 ,,vi4 ,every member of the ,association shall be considered as sacredly bound to pray for her children daily1 and with them as often as circumstances will permit2 and to give them from time to time the best religious instruction of which she is capable4 ,,art4 ,,vii4 ,it shall be the duty of every member to qualify herself1 by daily reading1 prayer1 and self-discipline1 to discharge faithfully the arduous duties of a ,christian mother2 and she shall be requested to give with freedom such hints upon the various subjects brought before the ,association as her own observation and experience may suggest4 ,,art4 ,,viii4 ,when any mother is removed by death1 it shall be the special duty of the ,association to regard with peculiar interest the spiritual welfare of her children1 and to evince this interest by a continued remembrance of them in their prayers1 by inviting them to attend quarterly meetings1 and by such tokens of sympathy and kindness as their circumstances may render proper4 ,,art4 ,,ix4 ,every child1 upon leaving the ,association1 at the prescribed age1 shall receive a book from the mothers1 as a token of their affection1 to be accompanied by a letter1 expressive of the deep interest felt in their temporal and spiritual welfare4 ,,art4 ,x4 ,the officers of the ,association shall be a ',first ,directress1' a ',second ,directress1' a ',secretary1' and a ',corresponding ,secretary1' who shall be appointed annually in ,september4 ,,art4 ,,xi4 ,the duty of the ,first ,directress shall be to preside at all meetings1 call upon the members for devotional exercises1 and regulate the reading4 ,in the absence of the ,first ,directress1 these duties shall devolve upon the ,second ,directress4 ,,art4 ,,xii4 ,it shall be the duty of the ,secretary to register the names of the members1 and of their children1 and to supply each of the mothers with a list of the same1 together with a copy of the constitution4 ,she shall also keep a record of the proceedings of each meeting1 and1 as far as may be convenient1 of the topic discussed1 and of the remarks elicited by it4 ,this record shall be read at the commencement of the next subsequent meeting4 ,she shall likewise receive the contributions of the children1 keep an account of the same1 and pay it according to the vote of the ,association4 ,,art4 ,,xiii4 ,it shall be the duty of the ,corresponding ,secretary to write the letters addressed to the children upon leaving the ,association1 to conduct the general correspondence1 receive the contributions from the mothers1 and purchase the books to be given to the children4 ,,art4 ,,xiv4 ,any article of this constitution may be amended by a majority of the members present at any annual meeting4 ,it is recommended to the members of the ,association to observe the anniversary of the birth of each child in special prayer1 with particular reference to that child4 ,may ,he who giveth liberally1 and upbraideth not1 ever preside in our meetings1 and grant unto each of us a teachable1 affectionate1 and humble temper1 that no root of bitterness may spring up to prevent our improvement1 or interrupt our devotions4 ,the promise is to us and to our children2 we have publicly given them up to ,god2 his holy name has been pronounced over them2 let us see to it that we do not cause this sacred name to be treated with contempt4 ,may ,christ put his own spirit within us1 that our children may never have occasion to say1 ',what do ye more than others8' 99 99 99 99 99 ,no criticism was made upon this production1 but the pastors commended it1 and rejoiced in the good which an increased attention to the subject would be sure to accomplish4 ,they promised to preach on the subject1 and1 in their pastoral visits1 to encourage mothers in the churches to join the ,associations4 ,one of the ladies said that she had a paper1 which she had thought best to read1 if the company pleased1 when they were all together1 and she had therefore reserved it until the gentlemen came in4 ,it was a paper in the handwriting of a ,christian friend1 which was found in her copy of the ,articles and ,covenant of her church1 after her decease4 ,this lady had been in the habit1 as it seemed1 of reading over those articles and the covenant1 on the ,sabbath when the ,lord's ,supper was to be administered2 and the religious education of her children1 being identified with her most sacred thoughts and moments1 she read these questions at the same time4 ,the lady who read them said that it was proposed by some to append them to the little manual already presented for ,maternal ,associations4 99 99 99 99 99 ,,questions ,,to ,,be ,,thought ,,upon4 #a4 ,have ,i so prayed for my children as that my prayer produced an effect upon myself8 #b4 ,have ,i realized that to train my children for usefulness and heaven is probably the chief duty ,god requires of me8 #c4 ,have ,i realized that1 if ,i cannot eradicate an evil habit1 probably no one else can or will8 #d4 ,have ,i granted to-day1 from indulgence1 what ,i denied yesterday from principle8 #e4 ,have ,i yielded to importunity in altering a decision deliberately made8 #f4 ,have ,i punished the beginning of an evil habit8 #g4 ,have ,i suffered the indulgence of an evil habit through sloth or discouragement8 #h4 ,have calmness and seriousness marked my looks1 tones1 and voice1 when inflicting punishment8 #i4 ,was my convenience1 or the guilt of the child1 the measure of its punishment8 #aj4 ,has punishment been sufficiently private1 and have ,i tried to affect the mind more than the body8 #aa4 ,do my children see in me a self-command which is the effect of principle8 #ab4 ,have ,i1 in my plans1 my heart1 and conduct1 sought first for my children the kingdom of ,god8 #ac4 ,have ,i commended ,god to my children1 and my children to ,god8 #ad4 ,have ,i aimed to govern my children on the same principle and in the same spirit which ,god adopts in the government of his creatures8 #ae4 ,have ,i1 in pursuance of the above resolution1 acted in the spirit of that prayer in ,god's word1 ',them that honor me1 ,i will honor1 and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed'8 #af4 ,have ,i aimed to secure the love and obedience of my children8 #ag4 ,have ,i remembered that it is full time to make a child obey when it knows enough to disobey8 #ah4 ,do ,i realize that the fulfilment of covenant promises is dependent on my fidelity8 ,gen4 #ah3 #ai4 #ai4 ,have these resolutions been undertaken in the strength of ,christ1 remembering ',i can do all things through ,christ which strengthened me'8 #bj4 ,have ,i labored to convince my child that its true character is formed by its thoughts and affections8 #ba4 ,do ,i daily realize that each of my children is a shapeless piece of marble1 capable1 through my instrumentality1 of being moulded into an ornament for the palace of the ,king of kings8 #bb4 ,do ,i1 by my conversation and actions1 teach my children that character1 and not wealth or connexions1 constitutes respectability8 #bc4 ,do ,i realize what circumstances are educating my children2--my conversation1 my pursuits1 my likings1 and dislikings8 #bd4 ,do ,i realize that the most important book a child can and does read1 is its parents' daily deportment and example8 #be4 ,do my children feel they can do what they like1 or that they must do what they are commanded8 #bf4 ,have ,i felt that a timid child is in great danger of being insincere8 #bg4 ,do ,i1 as an antidote to timidity1 cultivate the fear of ,god and self-respect8 #bh4 ,do ,i realize that ,i must meet each child at the judgment-seat1 and hear from it what my influence over it has been as a mother8 #bi4 ,do ,i realize that it is in my power to exert such an influence that ,christ shall see in each the travail of his soul1 and shall be satisfied8 #cj4 ,do ,i realize that my children will obey ,god much as they do me8 #ca4 ,do ,i impress on my children that little faults in ,christian families may be as dangerous to the soul1 and as evil in their tendencies1 as larger faults where there is no ,christian education8 #cb4 ,do ,i realize the danger of retarding or hindering the work of the ,holy ,spirit1 by evil habits1 worldly pursuits1 or companions8 #cc4 ,do ,i make each child feel that it has a work to do1 and that it is its duty and happiness to do that work well8 99 99 99 99 99 ,the paper having been read1 one of the pastors stated that he knew the lady who had been referred to2 that she died leaving a large family of children1 all of whom1 he had learned1 were now members of the church of ,christ except the youngest1 of tender age4 ,he hoped that the ,questions would be printed in the ,manual for the ,maternal ,associations4 ,i was struck with the remark in some old writer1 said ,mr4 ,r41 that ',god had clothed the prayers of parents with special authority4' ,it made me think that1 as the ,saviour promised the apostles1 for their necessary assurance and comfort1 that they should always be heard in their requests1 while engaged in establishing the new religion1 so parents are encouraged to think1 since family religion1 the transmission of piety by parental influence1 is so important1 in the view of ,god1 that they will have special regard paid to all their petitions for aid1 as ,god's vicegerents in their families4 ,but the repast was now ready4 ,it was a goodly sight1 when that company of ministerial friends and their wives were sitting round that table4 ,behold1 how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity4 ,there is a mysterious charm in eating together4 ,it is well known that associations designed for social acquaintance and conversation1 have1 very generally1 fallen to pieces soon after the relinquishment of the repast4 ,our great ordinance1 for the communion of saints1 is appointed to be at a table1 where it originated4 ,the flow of kind feeling1 which had prevailed during the afternoon among these friends1 seemed now to be in full tide1 and many were the entertaining and gratifying things which were there said and done4 ,all possible ways in which the products of an acre or two of well-cultivated land could be prepared to tempt the appetite1 were there4 ,br4 ,s4 was informed that those fried fishes swam in ,acushnit brook no longer ago than when he was rehearsing his parable of the fishes4 ,the strawberries had been kept on the vines a day or two1 for the occasion1 and were in perfection4 ,eggs figured on the table in every shape into which those most convertible things could turn themselves2 and1 being praised1 the lady of the house said that she must tell them of ,ralph1 a boy of fourteen1 whom her husband had taken to look after his horse and garden1 giving him his tuition in ,latin and other branches1 for his services4 ,ralph was a great amateur in fowls and eggs4 ,no sooner did a hen cackle1 but he resorted to the nest1 and1 with his lead-pencil1 wrote the day of the month upon the egg4 ,the lady rung her table-bell1 and called him to her1 telling him to bring his egg-basket4 ,he brought in an openwork1 red osier basket1 with a dozen and a half of eggs in it1 laid on cotton batting1 each egg as duly inscribed as the specimens of a mineralogist4 ,ralph was highly praised4 ,i suppose you think1 my son1 said ,mr4 ,r41 that an egg1 like reputation1 should be above suspicion4 ,it is best to be safe1 sir1 said he4 ,ralph1 said ,mr4 ,s41 do you know who baptized you8 ,you baptized me yourself1 sir4 ,do you remember1 ,ralph1 how you reached out your hands1 at that time1 and took my hand1 and put my finger into your mouth1 and tried to bite it with your little1 new1 sharp teeth8 ,ralph blushed1 and smiled4 ,you do not remember it1 ,ralph4 ,well1 ,i do2 and now1 ,ralph1 you must come and preach your first sermon in my pulpit4 ,it will be a long time first1 sir1 said ,ralph4 ,your dear mother told me1 when she was sick1 that she thought she left you in the temple1 like ,samuel1 when she offered you up in baptism4 ,be a good boy1 ,ralph1 said another of the pastors2 we will all be your friends4 ,he retreated slowly1 feeling not so much alone in the world4 ,the company did not separate till two of their number had led in prayer1 seeking1 especially1 the blessing of ,god upon their own children1 and that they1 as parents and ministers1 might be warned by the awful fate of the sons of ,aaron and of ,eli1 and not feel that the ministerial office gave them a prescriptive right to the blessings of grace for their children1 but rather made them liable to prominent exposure and calamity1 if they suffered public duties to interfere with that first1 great ordinance of ,god1 family religion4 ,the horses were now coming to the door4 ,farewells and good wishes were intermingled1 the joyous laugh at some pleasantry or sally of wit made the house and yard alive for some time1 the pastors had arranged their exchanges for several months to come1 visits and excursions were planned and agreed upon1 till one by one the vehicles departed1 leaving the parsonage silent1 while its occupants sat down to rest a while1 and talk over the events of the day1 in their pleasant window under the honeysuckle4 ,chapter ,eleventh4 ,,baptism ,,of ,,the ,,sick ,,wife ,,and ,,her ,,children4 ,in having all things1 and not ,thee1 what have ,i8 ,not having ,thee1 what have my labors got8 ,let me enjoy but ,thee1 what further crave ,i8 ,and having ,thee alone1 what have ,i not8 ,i wish nor sea1 nor land2 nor would ,i be ,possessed of heaven1 heaven unpossessed of ,thee4 ,,quarles4--,emblems4 ,he whom ,god chooseth1 out of doubt doth well4 ,what they that choose their ,god do1 who can tell8 ,,lord ,,brooke 7,london1 #afcc74--,mustapha4 ,a lady with whom we spent a summer at a watering-place1 and who was then an invalid1 and with whom we had formed an intimate acquaintance1 was now very sick1 with cancerous affections1 which threatened to end her life at no distant period4 ,she had become established in the ,christian faith1 during her illness1 and1 being a woman of great intelligence and cultivation1 it was instructive to be in her company4 ,many a lesson had ,i learned from her1 in the freshness and ardor of her new discoveries as a ,christian1 the old themes of religious experience being translated by her renewed heart1 and discriminating mind1 into forms that made them almost new1 because they were so vivid4 ,she was fast ripening for heaven2 she had looked in1 and her face shone as she turned to speak with us4 ,a lady1 a friend of hers from a distance1 was visiting us1 and1 knowing that she was sick1 requested me to call with her upon the invalid4 ,hearing that ,i was in the parlor1 she sent for me to come up and sit with her and my friend1 after they had seen each other a little while4 ,she was in her easy-chair1 able to converse1 and was calm and happy4 ,the door opened suddenly1 as we were talking1 and in rushed a little boy of about six years1 his cap in his hand1 a pretty green cloth sack buttoned close about him1 his boots pulled over his pants to his knees1 and his face glowing with health and from the cold air4 ,o1 mother6 said he1 before he quite saw us1--and then he checked himself2 but1 being encouraged to proceed1 after making his salutations1 he said1 in a more subdued tone1 holding up a great red apple1 ,see what the man1 where we buy our things1 sent you1 mother4 ,he called me to him1 and said1 ',give that to your mother1 and tell her it will be first-rate roasted4' ,as the mother smelt of it1 and praised it1 with her thanks1 the boy hung round her chair1 and wished to say something4 ,well1 what is it1 my son8 ,he spoke loud enough for us to hear1 with his eyes glancing occasionally at us1 to be sure that we were not too intently looking at him1 and1 with his arm resting in his mother's lap1 he said3 ,do1 please1 let me go with my sled on the pond4 ,it is real thick1 mother4 ,gustavus says that last evening it was as thick as his big dictionary1 and you know how cold it was last night1 mother4 ,please let me go2 ,i won't get in2 besides1 if ,i do1 it isn't deep--not more than up to there2 see here1 mother6 putting his little mittened hand1 with the palm down1 as high as his waist4 ,his mother looked troubled1 and knew not what to say to him1 but remarked to us1 ,o1 if ,i were well1 and about the house1 ,i could divert him from his wish2 but1 said she to him1 if you will ask ,gustavus to take care of you1 and bring you home when he comes1 you may go4 ,off he went1 making fewer steps than there were stairs1 and we heard his merry voice without announcing his liberty4 ,here ,i am1 said she to us1 with those three children1 who come home from school twice a day1 and there is no mother below to receive them4 ,with the best of help1 things sometimes go wrong1 and the young woman who sews for me cannot1 of course1 do for them what a mother could4 ,nothing has tried my patience1 in suffering1 more than to hear the door open1 and my children come in from school1 and to feel that ,i am separated from them1 within hearing1 while ,i cannot reach them4 ,she controlled her feelings1 and helped herself to conceal them by turning to rock a cradle which stood behind her1 though we perceived no need of her doing so2 yet we must all distrust our own ears in comparison with a mother's4 ,the child was a boy seven months old4 ,do you know1 said she to me1 that ,i am thinking of joining your church8 ,i have had a very trying visit from my own pastor1 and he says that ,i am too sick to be baptized by immersion1 and that it is1 therefore1 too late for me to receive ,christian baptism4 ,it is not necessary1 he says1 in order to being accepted of ,god4 ,i was born and brought up in that ,communion1 and never thought much of the subject of baptism till ,i hoped that ,i began to love ,god1 here in my sick-room4 ,if baptism is so important as our ministers tell us it is1 in their preaching and by their practice1--for you know how important they deem it1 in times of religious attention1 to have people baptized in our way1--,i cannot see why it is not important to me4 ,if it is man's ordinance1 and merely for an effect on others1 very well2 but if ,god has anything to do in it1 ,i feel that ,i need it as much as though ,i were in health4 ,so my husband asked your minister to come and see me1 and he did2 and he is to baptize me and my children on ,saturday afternoon1 and administer the ,lord's ,supper to me after church the next day4 ,i asked her what ground of objection her pastor had in her case4 ,mrs4 ,p4 ,my minister tells me it is superstition to be baptized on a sick-bed1 and that they are careful not to encourage such ,romish practices4 ,but1 ,o1 ,i said to him1 ,mr4 ,dow1 ,i am afraid it is because your form of baptism will not allow you to baptize the sick and dying1 so you make a virtue of necessity4 ,he colored a little1 but said1 pleasantly1 though solemnly1 ,we see how important it is1 ,mrs4 ,peirce1 to attend to the subject of religion in health1 when we can confess ,christ before men1 and follow the ,saviour1 and be buried in baptism with him4 ,that made me weep1 though perhaps it was because ,i was weak2 but ,i said1 ,god is more merciful than that1 ,mr4 ,dow4 ,i know that ,i have neglected religion too long1 but ,god has brought me to him1 by affliction1 and now ,i do not believe that the seals of his grace are of such a nature that they cannot be applied to people in my condition4 ,i feel the need of those seals1 not as my profession to ,god1 but as his professions of love to me4 ,i believe you are wrong1 ,mr4 ,dow4 ,you seem to make baptism our act toward ,god1 chiefly2 now ,i take a different view of it4 ,my sick and weak condition makes me feel that in being baptized1 and in receiving the ,lord's ,supper1 ,i submit myself to ,god's hand of love1 and take from him infinitely more than ,i give him4--,o1 that is rather a ,romish view of ordinances1 said he1 smiling4--,no1 said ,i1 ,mr4 ,dow1 ,i am not passive in the ordinances1 any more than in regeneration2 my whole soul is active in receiving their influences4 ,but there is something done for us in the ordinances1 as there is something done for us in regeneration1 while we actively repent and believe4 ,are you not so afraid of ,romanism1 and of 'sacramental grace1' that you go to an opposite extreme8 for it seems to me a morbid state of feeling4 ,i wish for no extreme unction1 but ,i do believe that1 in being baptized1 and in receiving the ,lord's ,supper1 something more is done for us than helping us to take up and offer to ,god something on the little needle-points of our poor feelings4 ,i should feel1 in being baptized1 that ,god has adopted me1 and not merely ,i him2 and1 in the ,lord's ,supper1 that it is more for ,christ to give me his body and blood1 than for me to give him my poor affections4 ,he asked me if ,i had not been reading the ,oxford ,tracts4 ,i told him that ,i read the ,oxford ,tracts1 and other ,puseyite publications1 in their day1 and that ,i saw through their errors1 and had no sympathy with their views4 ,but ,i told him ,i was satisfied that the human mind1 in that development1 was craving something more supernatural in religious ordinances1 to make the impression that the hand of ,god is in them1 and not that we are the principal party4 ,so1 instead of taking enlightened1 spiritual views of ordinances1 the ,tractarians sought to improve the quality1 by multiplying the quantity1 of forms2 and others are following them into the ,roman ,catholic church in the same way4 ,there always seemed to me1 she said1 to be a grain of truth in every great error4 ,is it not so8 ,even among the ,brahmins of the ,east1 and among savages1 each superstition1 and every lie1 retains the fossils of some dead truth4 ,when a new error breaks out among us1 ,i feel that the human mind is tossing itself1 and reaching after something beyond its experience4 ,it seems to me1 she continued1 that1 at such times1 it is good for ministers and ,christians to rexamine their mode of stating the truths of the ,bible1 to see how far they can properly go to meet the new development1 and1 by preaching the truth better1 intercept it4 ,the cold1 barren view1 which many take of ordinances1 makes some people hanker after forms and ceremonies2 whereas1 if we would present baptism and the ,lord's ,supper as divine acts toward us1 we might meet the instinctive wants of many1 and hold them to the side of truth4 ,but ,i told ,mr4 ,dow that ,i was no formalist1 nor did ,i believe in compromising the truth to win errorists4 ,clear1 faithful1 strict doctrinal views commend themselves to men's consciences4 ,i came near saying to the good lady1 that1 if she were able to talk in such a strain1 and to say so much to her minister1 he1 surely1 could not have deemed her so enfeebled in mind as to be incapacitated for admission to the ,christian church4 ,i told him1 also1 she added1 ,i was satisfied that his unvarying mode of baptism was not ordained by ,him who sent the ,gospel to every creature4--,why1 said ,i1 ,mr4 ,dow1 what do you make of the apostles' baptizing the jailer1 'at the same hour of the night1' and 'before it was day8' ,it could not have been for any public effect4 ,what need to have it done just then8 ,was it superstitious and ,romish8 ,no2 it was to comfort the soul of the poor1 trembling convert1 with a sense of ,god's love to him4 ,how it must have soothed and cheered him to receive ,god's hand of love in that ordinance1 before he himself fully knew what the making of a ,christian profession implied6 ,i want that same hand of love here1 in my prison of a sick-chamber1--,and1 ,i never thought of it much before1 but1 ,i said then1 it seemed so clear to me that they would not have gone to all the trouble1 that night1 and in the prison-house1 and after the terrors of the earthquake1 to put a whole family into bathing-vessels4 ,to take people from sleep1 ordinarily1 and immerse them in water1 would be a singular act2 much more when they are weak and faint1 as the jailer's family must have been1 from fear and excitement4 ,in my own case1 ,i could not be immersed1 even at home2 it would probably cost me my life4 ,sprinkling came to me as so sweetly harmonious1 in that scene of the jailer's baptism1 that ,i believed it to be the apostolic mode of baptizing1 and ,i told ,mr4 ,d4 that ,i should imitate the jailer2 and that ,i should send for a minister who could imitate ,paul and ,silas4 ,but1 said ,i1 what brought you to believe in the propriety of baptizing your children8 ,mrs4 ,p4 ,your minister enlightened me on that subject4 ,i told him my heart yearned to have it done2 for ,i took the same view of it which ,i have mentioned with regard to my own baptism--that it is something which ,god does1 to and for the children1 primarily1 and it is not merely a human act4 ,he said that it was like laying a penal bond on children1 to baptize them1 and oblige them to do or be anything without their consent4 ,o1 how many such penal bonds ,i have laid on my children1 already6--the more the better1 ,i told him4 ,a penal bond to love and serve ,god6--,i mean to add my dying charge to it1 and make it as binding as ,i can4 ,how imperfect such a view of baptism is6 ,it is ,god coming to us with his seal1 not we coming with our own invention to him4 ,i wished to have ,god enter into a covenant with me1 who hope ,i love him1 to be a ,god to my children forever4 ,i felt that ,i could die in peace1 if ,i might feel some assurance of this2 and1 it seemed to me that1 to have a sign and seal of it from ,god himself would make me perfectly happy4 ,she handed me a book1 which her pastor had lent her1 and she asked me to read a passage1 to which she pointed4 ,it was an argument against baptism in sickness4 ,speaking of the penitent thief1 the writer says3 ,the ,saviour did not1 as a ,papist would have done1 command some of the women1 that stood by bewailing1 to fetch a little water2 nor the beloved disciple to asperse the quivering penitent4 ,remembering the view which the mother of little ,philip took of such things1 ,i merely said1 that the writer seemed to me to asperse a large part of the ,protestant world1 under the name1 ,papist4 ,christian baptism1 ,i remarked1 had not been instituted when the ,saviour and the thief were on the cross4 ,i received an invitation from the husband1 a day or two after1 to be present at the baptism of his wife and children4 ,the husband was not professedly1 nor in his own view1 a regenerate man1 but one of the best of husbands and fathers1 destitute1 however1 of the one thing needful4 ,the wife had on a loose cashmere dressing-gown1 but was sitting in bed for greater support and comfort4 ,the pastor read to her the articles and covenant of the church4 ,she assented to them2 whereupon1 at his request1 ,i laid the church-book of signatures before her1 gave her a pen full of ink1 and she wrote her name among the professed followers of the ,lamb4 ,the pastor then declared her to be admitted1 by vote of the church1 into full communion and fellowship1 after she should have received the ordinance of baptism4 ,he rose1 and read1 ,and ,jesus came unto them1 and spake1 saying1 ,all power is given unto me in heaven and in earth4 ,go ye1 therefore1 and teach all nations1 baptizing them in the name of the ,father1 and of the ,son1 and of the ,holy ,ghost2 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever ,i have commanded you2 and lo1 ,i am with you alway1 even unto the end of the world4 ,amen4 ,he continued3 ,my dear ,mrs4 ,peirce1 ,god is your ,god4 ,he will have his name written upon you1 by its being called over you1 with the use of his own appointed sign and seal of baptism4 ,the name in which he has chosen thus to appear to you1 is not ,god ,almighty1 nor his name ,jehovah2 but those names which redemption has brought to view1 and which impress upon us the acts of redeeming grace and love4 ,do not feel1 chiefly1 that you give yourself up to ,god in this transaction1 though this1 of course1 you do1 and it is essential that you do so2 but feel that the ,father1 ,son1 and ,spirit1 come to you1 and own you in the covenant of redemption1 in consequence of your accepting ,christ1 by faith1 which itself1 also1 is the gift of ,god4 ,professing repentance of your sins1 and faith in the ,lord ,jesus1 you are now to receive1 from the ,sacred ,three1 a sign and seal1 confirming to you all the promises of grace1 adopting you as a member of the whole family in heaven and earth1 and engaging ,god to be your ,god4 ,and now1 as you are1 yourself1 a child of ,god1 your children ,god adopts to be1 in a peculiar sense1 his4 ,this is the method of his love from the beginning4 ,had ,adam remained upright1 doubtless his children would have been confirmed in their uprightness2 but1 inasmuch as he fell1 and1 by his disobedience1 they were made sinners1 ,god restablished his covenant with ,abraham as the father of all believers1 under a new church-organization1 to the end of time1 promising to be the ,god of a believer's child4 ,he then read this hymn2 and certain expressions in it never struck me with such force and sweetness as in that baptismal scene3 ,how large the promise1 how divine1 ,to ,abraham and his seed2 ,i'll be a ,god to thee and thine1 ,supplying all their need4 ,the words of his extensive love ,from age to age endure2 ,the angel of the covenant proves1 ,and seals1 the blessing sure4 ,jesus the ancient faith confirms ,to our great fathers given2 ,he takes young children to his arms1 ,and calls them heirs of heaven4 ,our ,god1 how faithful are his ways6 ,his love endures the same2 ,nor from the promise of his grace ,blots out the children's name4 ,and now1 said he1 as you belong to the church of ,christ1 so your children1 in a certain sense1 and that a very important and precious sense1 belong to the church4 ,your little1 unconscious babe belongs1 in that sense1 to the church4 ,you will not1 you cannot1 misunderstand me4 ,these are the children of a child of ,god4 ,all your brethren and sisters in ,christ count them in their great family circle4 ,they covenant with you to pray for them1 to watch for their good1 and to rejoice in it1 to provide means for their spiritual prosperity1 and to seek their salvation4 ,but1 above all1 ,god will ever have special regard to them as the children of his dear child4 ,receive now1 said he1 the divine ordinance of baptism1 whereby ,god signifies to you1 and seals1 all that is implied in being your ,god4 ,he drew near the bed1 with a silver bowl1 from which he sprinkled water upon the head and forehead of the dear believer1 whose countenance expressed the peace of receiving1 rather than the effort of giving1 while her lips moved now and then during the quiet scene4 ,they brought ,edward1 the first-born1 and he stood1 with his hand in his mother's hand1 and was baptized4 ,there were almost tears enough shed by us for his baptism1 had tears been needed4 ,lucy came next1 and then the rosy-cheeked ,roger1 who had been persuaded to leave his new sled1 a little while1 that ,saturday afternoon4 ,but now the little boy was coming in from his cradle4 ,his mother raised herself in the bed1 and received him in her arms4 ,he had been weaned1 but1 on coming to his mother1 he began to make some solicitations1 which1 beautiful and affecting though they were1 some of us endeavored not to see1 but turned to smell of some violets1 and to open a book of engravings4 ,the mother smiled1 and held him off1 but immediately put two fingers1 one on each eye1 and wept2--the marriage-ring on one of those fingers1--ah1 me6 how had the finger shrunk away from it4 ,the nurse took the child and diverted its attention4 ,the husband sat far on the bed1 put one arm under the pillow that supported his wife1 and held her hand in his4 ,recollections and anticipations1 we knew1 were thronging1 unbidden1 into that mother's soul4 ,she had been reminded of fountains of love sealed up1 and yet there were opening within her living fountains of water4 ,she grew calm1 beckoned for a little book on the table1 opened it1 and pointed her husband to a stanza1 which she had marked1 and he read it for her3-- ,when ,i can trust my all with ,god1 ,in trial's painful hour1 ,bow all resigned beneath his rod1 ,and bless his sparing power2 ,a joy springs up amid distress1 ,a fountain in the wilderness4 ,that was her profession of religion1 and her signal to the pastor to proceed4 ,the father took the little boy in his arms1 held him over the bed1 before his wife2 the pastor reached from the other side1 and baptized ,walter1 in the name of the covenant-keeping ,god4 ,the father held the child for the mother's kiss1 and then took him away1 fearing a repetition of the previous scene4 ,but the wife drew her husband back to her1 and left a kiss on his own cheek1 amidst his tears4 ,and now1 said the pastor1 after prayer1 ,god has been in this place1 and has himself applied to you and your children the seal of his everlasting covenant4 ,do not make your faith in it to depend on the degree of equanimity or vividness in your feelings2 but remember what ,elizabeth said to ,mary3 ',and blessed is she that believeth1 for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the ,lord4' ,o1 said ,mrs4 ,p41 is it possible that ,i live to see this day8 ,i almost forget my sickness1 my separation from my husband and children1 in the thought that ,god is my covenant ,god1 and the ,god of my children4 ,my baptism is to me a visible writing and seal from ,god2 and my children's baptism is the same4 ,i always used to think of baptism merely as a profession on our part4 ,o1 how much more there is in it1 besides that6 ,it is ,god's covenant and testimony toward me4 ,blessed names6 said she1 soliloquizing1--,father1 ,son1 and ,holy ,ghost6 sweet society of the ,godhead6 ,they come together2 they are like the three that came to ,abraham's tent4 ,each has his precious gift and influence for my soul4 ,why was ,i allowed to see this day1 and enjoy this8 ,the pastor said1 ,this is just one of those things which make us say1 ',his goodness is unsearchable4' ,there seems to be no way of accounting for this rich1 free1 sovereign love4 ,can ,i fear1 said she1 to leave my children in such hands8 ,no4 ,god of ,abraham6 'thou hast been our dwelling-place in all generations4' ,faithful ,god6 'a ,god to thee and thy seed after thee2' what power the seal of the covenant has to make you believe it2 yes1 and seemingly to hear it read to you4 ,do speak to all our dear mothers1 and tell them in health to make far more1 than many do1 of baptism for their children4 ,and have you no blessing for me8 said the husband1 as the pastor rose to go4 ,dear sir1 said the pastor1 they seem to have left you alone4 ,he had been sitting1 somewhat out of sight1 at the foot of the bedstead2 but1 it was evident1 from several signs1 that his feelings were deeply moved4 ,the pastor took his arm1 and1 bidding the wife an affectionate but hasty adieu1 he went with him to the sitting-room below4 ,i need no arguments1 said the husband1 to satisfy me1 further1 that you are right4 ,you have a system of religion which1 ,i see1 is good for everything1 and for everybody1 and for all times1 and places1 and circumstances4 ,sir1 ,i have been sceptical2 but ,i must confess that a religion which can come into a family1 like mine1 and do what it has done1 through you1 sir1 to mine1 and to me1 must be from ,god4 ,sir1 ,i shall always respect our pastor for his consistency with his principles1 and for many other reasons2 but ,i prefer principles like yours1 which can go to the sick and dying1 and to little children whose mother---- ,here he began to weep4 ,the pastor said1 ,to take a mother from a young family of children1 like yours1 ,mr4 ,peirce1 is just the thing which we should prevent1 could we have the ordering of affairs4 ,i feel1 said ,mr4 ,p41 that ,god's hand is upon me4 ,passages from the ,bible1 which ,i learned at sea1 from love to my mother1 come to me now4 ,she put a ,bible in a box1 and covered it up with a dozen pairs of woollen hose1 knit with her own hands4 ,i have been saying to myself1 in the chamber1 ',behold1 he cometh with clouds4' ,it is growing dark over my dwelling2 ,god is descending upon us in a cloud4 ',behold1 he taketh away1 who can hinder him8 ,who will say unto him1 what doest thou4' ,o1 you never lost a wife1 my dear sir1 nor looked on a motherless family1 as ,i begin to do4 ,god help me1 for ,i shall lose my reason4 ,no1 my dear sir1 said the pastor2 think what has just taken place up stairs4 ,you now seem to say1 as ,manoah did1 ',we shall surely die2' but his wife said1 ',if the ,lord were pleased to kill us1--he would not have showed us all these things4' ,god has bestowed on your children1 through their believing mother1 his covenant1 to be their ,god4--,you are a ,notary ,public1 ,i believe1 sir4 ,i am1 said ,mr4 ,peirce4 ,then1 said the pastor1 you know the importance of seals4 ,o1 yes1 said ,mr4 ,p4 ,a gentleman1 last week1 came near losing the sale of a large property1 situate in one of the ,middle ,states1 because he had had some papers executed1 here1 before a court not having a seal4 ,i told him1 beforehand1 that he was wrong2 but he wished to know of what possible use a seal could be1 when the judge and the clerk used printed forms1 and the blanks were filled under their own hands4 ,the papers came back1 and he had to do his business over again1 and before a court having a seal4 ,but he was perfectly honest1 at first1 ,i presume1 said the pastor1 only the form was defective4 ,mr4 ,p4 ,yes1 sir2 but the form1 in such a case1 is the warranty4 ,you know that the power to have and use a seal is one of the things specially conveyed by a legislature4 ,god has seals1 said the pastor4 ,one is baptism4 ,it used to be circumcision4 ,but1 as the old royal seal is broken at the coronation of a new king1 ,god appointed a new seal1 baptism1 to mark the new dispensation2 as he also changed the ,sabbath of creation in honor of his ,son's reign1 and removed the memorial of his deeds of greatest renown1 the ,passover1 for one that signifies still greater deeds1 the ,lord's ,supper4 ,thus ,god has his seals4 ,he attaches great importance to them4 ,he binds himself by them4 ,your wife1 being a child of ,god1 it is his arrangement1 from the beginning1 to enter into covenant with her in behalf of her children4 ,he stands1 now1 in a special relation to them1 and has placed the beautiful seal of ,heaven upon his promise to that dear sick mother1 ',i will be a ,god to thee and to thy seed after thee4' ,is it necessary that the father should be left out8 said ,mr4 ,p41 covering his face with his handkerchief4 ,they are mine1 and ,god holds me responsible for them4 ,i am to be left alone with them in the world4 ,is there not mercy for me1 too8 ,o1 ,i had such a gleam of hope in the chamber6 ,as ,i saw the water descending from your hand upon those dear heads1 ,i thought1 ,how much like a divine act such baptism is1--something from ,god4 ,i always thought of baptism as a cross1 to which ,i must submit2 now ,i see that it is a token of love1 bestowed upon me4 ,so ,i thought of those words3 ',i am found of them that sought me not4' ,god seems to have come to me in that baptism4 ,i was expecting that1 if ,i ever became a ,christian1 ,i must1 in token of my submission1 be buried in the waters of baptism4 ,i would be willing to be1 still1 if necessary2 but that gentle baptism1 coming to me and mine1 seems like ,god being beforehand with me1 doing something with me and for me4 ,it made me think of ,christ inviting himself into the house of ,zaccheus1 to save his soul4 ,i always felt that ,i must obtain religion wholly of myself2 now ,i feel that ,god has begun the work in me4 ,i am sustained and borne on4 ,that baptism was the most powerful appeal that ever reached my heart4 ,it seems to me1 in its connection with the gospel1 like a beautiful symphony of instrumental music in an anthem1 which strives to interpret the words4 ,it proved an overture to me1 indeed1 in the best sense4 ,but1 my dear sir1 how near we came to losing all this which my wife has enjoyed4 ,the door opened1 and little ,lucy came in with two plates and two silver knives1 and that great red apple which her mother had received a few days before4 ,mother sends her love to you1 sir1 and begs that you and father will eat this4 ,they looked at the apple for a few moments1 when the husband said1 ,i do not feel like eating it4 ,do oblige me by taking it home with you4 ,the pastor took it home with him1 placed it on his mantel-piece in his study1 where1 for several days1 it gave such an odor as to attract the notice of every one that came in4 ,the hand that sent it to him1 in less than a week had finished its work on earth4 ,the apple then became a hallowed thing4 ,there it remained till it wilted1 grew soft1 and finally turned nearly black4 ,a little1 unceremonious visitant to his father's study would often climb into the chair near the shelf1 and express his wonder1 and repeat his questions1 at the seeming mystery1--first1 of not eating the apple1 and suffering it to be wasted2 and then1 of letting it remain when it ought to be thrown away4 ,it was not long1 however1 before the apple was buried in a pot of earth4 ,in due time green shoots appeared4 ,and when the pastor saw them1 he said with himself1 ,the children of thy servants shall continue1 and their seed shall be established before thee4 ,how it grew in the pastor's study1 a little sacramental emblem of hallowed scenes1 and of infinitely precious truths1--how a place was selected1 and afterwards prepared1 for it1 near a garden-wall which separates the wife's little garden from her grave1--and how the husband came alone1 one ,sabbath1 and joined the church1 receiving the seal of baptism from the same hand that sprinkled the water upon the heads of his wife and children1--,i cannot tell you now1 nor1 after so long detention1 would you be willing at present to hear4 ,,the ,,end4