,,philebus ,by ,plato ,translat$ by ,b5jam9 ,j[ett ,,introduction ,,& ,,analysis4 ,! ,philebus appe>s to be "o ( ! lat] writ+s ( ,plato1 9 :i* ! /yle has begun to alt]1 & ! dramatic & poetical elem5t has become subord9ate to ! speculative & philosophical4 ,9 ! developm5t ( ab/ract ?\ght great advances h be5 made on ! ,protagoras or ! ,pha$rus1 & ev5 on ! ,republic4 ,b !re is a correspond+ dim9ution ( arti/ic skill1 a want ( "* 9 ! p]sons1 a lab\r$ m>* 9 ! dialogue1 & a degree ( confusion & incomplet5ess 9 ! g5]al design4 ,z 9 ! spee*es ( ,?ucydides1 ! multiplication ( ideas seems to int]f]e ) ! p[] ( expression4 ,in/ead ( ! equally diffus$ grace & ease ( ! e>li] dialogues !re occur two or ?ree highly-wr\ght passages2 in/ead ( ! ev]-fl[+ play ( hum\r1 n[ appe>+1 n[ conceal$1 b always pres5t1 are ins]t$ a good _m bad je/s1 z we may v5ture to t]m !m4 ,we may obs]ve an attempt at artificial ornam5t1 & f>-fet*$ modes ( expression2 also clamor\s dem&s on ! "p ( 8 companions1 t ,socrates %all answ] 8 own que/ions1 z well z o!r defects ( /yle1 :i* rem9d u ( ! ,laws4 ,! connection is (t5 abrupt & inh>moni\s1 & f> f cle>4 ,_m po9ts require fur!r explanation2 e4g4 ! ref]5ce ( pleasure to ! indef9ite class1 comp>$ ) ! ass]tion :i* almo/ imm$iately foll[s1 t pleasure & pa9 naturally h _! seat 9 ! ?ird or mix$ class3 ^! two /atem5ts are unreconcil$4 ,9 l mann]1 ! table ( goods does n di/+ui% betwe5 ! two heads ( measure & symmetry2 & ?\gh a h9t is giv5 t ! div9e m9d has ! fir/ place1 no?+ is said ( ?is 9 ! f9al summ+ up4 ,! relation ( ! goods to ! sci5ces does n appe>2 ?\gh dialectic may be ?\ght to correspond to ! highe/ good1 ! sci5ces & arts & true op9ions are enum]at$ 9 ! f\r? class4 ,we seem to h an intimation ( a fur!r discussion1 9 :i* "s topics lightly pass$ ov] 7 to receive a full] consid]ation4 ,! v>i\s uses ( ! ^w 'mix$1' = ! mix$ life1 ! mix$ class ( elem5ts1 ! mixture ( pleasures1 or ( pleasure & pa91 are a fur!r s\rce ( p]plexity4 ,our ignorance ( ! op9ions :i* ,plato is attack+ is also an elem5t ( obscurity4 ,_m ?+s 9 a controv]sy might seem relevant1 if we knew to :at !y 7 int5d$ to ref]4 ,b no conjecture w enable u to supply :at ,plato has n told u2 or to expla91 f our fragm5t>y k ( !m1 ! relation 9 :i* 8 doctr9e /ood to ! ,eleatic ,be+ or ! ,meg>ian good1 or to ! !ories ( ,ari/ippus or ,anti/h5es respect+ pleasure4 ,nor are we able to say h[ f> ,plato 9 ! ,philebus conceives ! f9ite & inf9ite 7:i* occur bo? 9 ! fragm5ts ( ,philolaus & 9 ! ,py?agorean table ( opposites7 9 ! same mann] z contempor>y ,py?agoreans4 ,!re is little 9 ! *>act]s :i* is wor?y ( rem>k4 ,! ,socrates ( ! ,philebus is devoid ( any t\* ( ,socratic irony1 ?\gh "h1 z 9 ! ,pha$rus1 he twice attributes ! fl[ ( 8 ideas to a sudd5 inspiration4 ,! int]locutor ,prot>*us1 ! son ( ,callias1 :o has be5 a he>] ( ,gorgias1 is suppos$ to beg9 z a disciple ( ! p>tisans ( pleasure1 b is drawn ov] to ! opposite side by ! argum5ts ( ,socrates4 ,! in/9cts ( +5u\s y\? are easily induc$ to take ! bett] "p4 ,philebus1 :o has )drawn f ! argum5t1 is sev]al times br\ght back aga91 t he may support pleasure1 ( :i* he rema9s to ! end ! uncompromis+ advocate4 ,on ! o!r h&1 ! y\?ful gr\p ( li/5]s by :om he is surr\nd$1 ',philebus' boys' z !y are t]m$1 ^: pres5ce is sev]al times intimat$1 are describ$ z all ( !m at la/ conv9c$ by ! argum5ts ( ,socrates4 ,!y be> a v fad$ resemblance to ! int]e/$ audi5ces ( ! ,*>mides1 ,lysis1 or ,protagoras4 ,o!r signs ( relation to ext]nal life 9 ! dialogue1 or ref]5ces to contempor>y ?+s & p]sons1 ) ! s+le exception ( ! allusions to ! anonym\s enemies ( pleasure1 & ! tea*]s ( ! flux1 !re are none4 ,! omission ( ! doctr9e ( recollection1 d]iv$ f a previ\s /ate ( exi/5ce1 is a note ( progress 9 ! philosophy ( ,plato4 ,! transc5d5tal !ory ( pre-exi/5t ideas1 :i* is *iefly discuss$ by him 9 ! ,m5o1 ! ,pha$o1 & ! ,pha$rus1 has giv5 way to a psy*ological "o4 ,! omission is r5d]$ m significant by 8 hav+ occasion to speak ( memory z ! basis ( desire4 ,( ! ideas he treats 9 ! same sceptical _s :i* appe>s 9 8 criticism ( !m 9 ! ,p>m5ides4 ,he t\*es on ! same difficulties & he gives no answ] to !m4 ,8 mode ( speak+ ( ! analytical & syn!tical processes may be comp>$ ) 8 discussion ( ! same subject 9 ! ,pha$rus2 "h he dwells on ! importance ( divid+ ! g5]a into all ! species1 :ile 9 ! ,pha$rus he conveys ! same tru? 9 a figure1 :5 he speaks ( c>v+ ! :ole1 :i* is describ$ "u ! image ( a victim1 into p>ts or memb]s1 'accord+ to _! natural articulation1 )\t break+ any ( !m4' ,!re is also a diff]5ce1 :i* may be not$1 betwe5 ! two dialogues4 ,= :]eas 9 ! ,pha$rus1 & also 9 ! ,symposium1 ! dialectician is describ$ z a sort ( en?usia/ or lov]1 9 ! ,philebus1 z 9 all ! lat] writ+s ( ,plato1 ! elem5t ( love is want+2 ! topic is only introduc$1 z 9 ! ,republic1 by way ( illu/ration4 ,on o!r subjects ( :i* !y treat 9 common1 su* z ! nature & k9ds ( pleasure1 true & false op9ion1 ! nature ( ! good1 ! ord] & relation ( ! sci5ces1 ! ,republic is less advanc$ ?an ! ,philebus1 :i* conta9s1 p]haps1 m metaphysical tru? m obscurely express$ ?an any o!r ,platonic dialogue4 ,"h1 z ,plato expressly tells u1 he is '=g+ weapons ( ano!r make1' i4e4 new categories & modes ( conception1 ?\gh '"s ( ! old ones might d aga94' ,b if sup]ior 9 ?\ght & dialectical p[]1 ! ,philebus falls v f> %ort ( ! ,republic 9 fancy & feel+4 ,! developm5t ( ! reason undi/urb$ by ! emotions seems to be ! ideal at :i* ,plato aims 9 8 lat] dialogues4 ,!re is no my/ic en?usiasm or raptur\s contemplation ( ideas4 ,:e!r we attribute ?is *ange to ! great] feebl5ess ( age1 or to ! developm5t ( ! qu>rel betwe5 philosophy & poetry 9 ,plato's own m9d1 or p]haps1 9 "s degree1 to a c>elessness ab\t arti/ic effect1 :5 he 0 absorb$ 9 ab/ract ideas1 we c h>dly be wrong 9 assum+1 amid su* a v>iety ( indications1 d]iv$ f /yle z well z subject1 t ! ,philebus belongs to ! lat] p]iod ( 8 life & au?or%ip4 ,b 9 ?is1 z 9 all ! lat] writ+s ( ,plato1 !re are n want+ ?\ghts & expressions 9 :i* he rises to 8 highe/ level4 ,! plan is complicat$1 or r1 p]haps1 ! want ( plan r5d]s ! progress ( ! dialogue difficult to foll[4 ,a few lead+ ideas seem to em]ge3 ! relation ( ! "o & _m1 ! f\r orig9al elem5ts1 ! k9ds ( pleasure1 ! k9ds ( k1 ! scale ( goods4 ,^! are only p>tially connect$ ) "o ano!r4 ,! dialogue is n rightly entitl$ ',conc]n+ pleasure' or ',conc]n+ good1' b %\ld r be describ$ z treat+ ( ! relations ( pleasure & k1 aft] !y h be5 duly analyz$1 to ! good4 7#a7 ,! "q is ask$1 :e!r pleasure or wisdom is ! *ief good1 or "s nature high] ?an ei!r2 & if ! latt]1 h[ pleasure & wisdom are relat$ to ?is high] good4 7#b7 ,be=e we c reply ) exactness1 we mu/ "k ! k9ds ( pleasure & ! k9ds ( k4 7#c7 ,b /ill we may affirm g5]ally1 t ! comb9$ life ( pleasure & wisdom or k has m ( ! "* ( ! good ?an ei!r ( !m :5 isolat$4 7#d7 to det]m9e :i* ( !m p>takes mo/ ( ! high] nature1 we mu/ "k "u :i* ( ! f\r unities or elem5ts !y respectively fall4 ,^! are1 fir/1 ! inf9ite2 secondly1 ! f9ite2 ?irdly1 ! union ( ! two2 f\r?ly1 ! cause ( ! union4 ,pleasure is ( ! fir/1 wisdom or k ( ! ?ird class1 :ile reason or m9d is ak9 to ! f\r? or highe/4 7#e7 ,pleasures are ( two k9ds1 ! mix$ & unmix$4 ,( mix$ pleasures !re are ?ree classes--7a7 ^? 9 :i* bo? ! pleasures & pa9s are corporeal1 z 9 eat+ & hung]2 7b7 ^? 9 :i* !re is a pa9 ( ! body & pleasure ( ! m9d1 z :5 y are hungry & are look+ =w>d to a fea/2 7c7 ^? 9 :i* ! pleasure & pa9 are bo? m5tal4 ,( unmix$ pleasures !re are f\r k9ds3 ^? ( sight1 he>+1 smell1 k4 7#f7 ,! sci5ces are likewise divid$ into two classes1 !oretical & productive3 ( ! latt]1 "o "p is pure1 ! o!r impure4 ,! pure "p consi/s ( ari?metic1 m5suration1 & weigh+4 ,arts l c>p5t]+1 :i* h an exact measure1 are to be reg>d$ z high] ?an music1 :i* = ! mo/ "p is m]e guess-"w4 ,b !re is also a high] ari?metic1 & a high] m5suration1 :i* is exclusively !oretical2 & a dialectical sci5ce1 :i* is high] /ill & ! true/ & pure/ k4 7#g7 ,we are n[ able to det]m9e ! composition ( ! p]fect life4 ,fir/1 we admit ! pure pleasures & ! pure sci5ces2 secondly1 ! impure sci5ces1 b n ! impure pleasures4 ,we h next to discov] :at elem5t ( goodness is conta9$ 9 ?is mixture4 ,!re are ?ree crit]ia ( goodness--beauty1 symmetry1 tru?4 ,^! are cle>ly m ak9 to reason ?an to pleasure1 & w enable u to fix ! places ( bo? ( !m 9 ! scale ( good4 ,fir/ 9 ! scale is measure2 ! second place is assign$ to symmetry2 ! ?ird1 to reason & wisdom2 ! f\r?1 to k & true op9ion2 ! fif?1 to pure pleasures2 & "h ! ,muse says ',en\gh4' ',bidd+ f>ewell to ,philebus & ,socrates1' we may n[ consid] ! metaphysical conceptions :i* are pres5t$ to u4 ,^! are 7,i7 ! p>adox ( unity & plurality2 7,,ii7 ! table ( categories or elem5ts2 7,,iii7 ! k9ds ( pleasure2 7,,iv7 ! k9ds ( k2 7,v7 ! conception ( ! good4 ,we may !n proce$ to exam9e 7,,vi7 ! relation ( ! ,philebus to ! ,republic1 & to o!r dialogues4 ,i4 ,! p>adox ( ! "o & _m orig9at$ 9 ! re/less dialectic ( ,z5o1 :o s\ght to prove ! absolute exi/5ce ( ! "o by %[+ ! contradictions t are involv$ 9 admitt+ ! exi/5ce ( ! _m 7comp>e ,p>m474 ,z5o illu/rat$ ! contradiction by well-kn[n examples tak5 f outw>d objects4 ,b ,socrates seems to intimate t ! "t _h arriv$ = disc>d+ ^! hackney$ illu/rations2 su* difficulties _h long be5 solv$ by common s5se 7'solvitur ambul&o'72 ! fact ( ! co-exi/5ce ( opposites 0 a suffici5t answ] to !m4 ,he w leave !m to ,cynics & ,eri/ics2 ! y\? ( ,a!ns may disc\rse ( !m to _! p>5ts4 ,to no rational man c\ld ! circum/ance t ! body is "o1 b has _m memb]s1 be any long] a /umbl+-block4 ,plato's difficulty seems to beg9 9 ! region ( ideas4 ,he _c und]/& h[ an absolute unity1 su* z ! ,eleatic ,be+1 c be brok5 up into a numb] ( individuals1 or be 9 & out ( !m at once4 ,philosophy _h s deep5$ or int5sifi$ ! nature ( "o or ,be+1 by ! ?\ghts ( successive g5]ations1 t ! m9d c\ld no long] imag9e ',be+' z 9 a /ate ( *ange or division4 ,to say t ! v]b ( exi/5ce is ! copula1 or t unity is a m]e unit1 is to u easy2 b to ! ,greek 9 a p>ticul> /age ( ?\ght su* an analysis involv$ ! same k9d ( difficulty z ! conception ( ,god exi/+ bo? 9 & out ( ! _w w\ld to ourselves4 ,nor 0 he assi/$ by ! analogy ( s5sible objects4 ,! sph]e ( m9d 0 d>k & my/]i\s to him2 b in/ead ( be+ illu/rat$ by s5se1 ! greate/ light appe>$ to be ?r[n on ! nature ( ideas :5 !y 7 contra/$ ) s5se4 ,bo? "h & 9 ! ,p>m5ides1 :]e simil> difficulties are rais$1 ,plato seems prep>$ to des]t 8 anci5t gr\nd4 ,he _c tell ! relation 9 :i* ab/ract ideas /& to "o ano!r1 & !re=e he transf]s ! "o & _m out ( 8 transc5d5tal _w1 & proce$s to lay d[n practical rules = _! application to diff]5t bran*es ( k4 ,z 9 ! ,republic he supposes ! philosoph] to proce$ by regul> /eps1 until he arrives at ! idea ( good2 z 9 ! ,sophi/ & ,politicus he insi/s t 9 divid+ ! :ole into its p>ts we %\ld bisect 9 ! middle 9 ! hope ( f9d+ species2 z 9 ! ,pha$rus 7see above7 he w\ld h 'no limb brok5' ( ! organism ( k2--s 9 ! ,philebus he urges ! necessity ( fill+ up all ! int]m$iate l9ks :i* occur 7comp>e ,bacon's 'm$ia axiomata'7 9 ! passage f unity to inf9ity4 ,) him ! idea ( sci5ce may be said to anticipate sci5ce2 at a "t :5 ! sci5ces 7 n yet divid$1 he wants to impress ^u u ! importance ( classification2 nei!r neglect+ ! _m individuals1 nor attempt+ to c\nt !m all1 b f9d+ ! g5]a & species "u :i* !y naturally fall4 ,"h1 !n1 & 9 ! p>allel passages ( ! ,pha$rus & ( ! ,sophi/1 is f\nd ! g]m ( ! mo/ fruitful notion ( mod]n sci5ce4 ,plato describes ) ludicr\s exagg]ation ! influ5ce ex]t$ by ! "o & _m on ! m9ds ( "y m5 9 _! fir/ f]v\r ( metaphysical en?usiasm 7comp>e ,republic74 ,b !y are none ! less an ev]la/+ quality ( reason or reason+ :i* nev] gr[s old 9 u4 ,at fir/ we h b a confus$ conception ( !m1 analog\s to ! eyes bl9k+ at ! light 9 ! ,republic4 ,to ?is ,plato opposes ! revelation f ,heav5 ( ! real relations ( !m1 :i* "s ,prome!us1 :o gave ! true fire f heav51 is suppos$ to h imp>t$ to u4 ,plato is speak+ ( two ?+s--7#a7 ! crude notion ( ! "o & _m1 :i* p[]fully affects ! ord9>y m9d :5 fir/ beg9n+ to ?9k2 7#b7 ! same notion :5 cle>$ up by ! help ( dialectic4 ,to u ! problem ( ! "o & _m has lo/ its *ief int]e/ & p]plexity4 ,we readily ackn[l$ge t a :ole has _m p>ts1 t ! cont9u\s is also ! divisible1 t 9 all objects ( s5se !re is a "o & _m1 & t a l pr9ciple may be appli$ to analogy to purely intellectual conceptions4 ,if we att5d to ! mean+ ( ! words1 we are compell$ to admit t two contradictory /atem5ts are true4 ,b ! ant9omy is s famili> z to be sc>cely obs]v$ by u4 ,our s5se ( ! contradiction1 l ,plato's1 only beg9s 9 a high] sph]e1 :5 we speak ( necessity & free-w1 ( m9d & body1 ( ,?ree ,p]sons & ,"o ,sub/ance1 & ! l4 ,! _w ( k is always divid+ m & m2 e tru? is at fir/ ! enemy ( e o!r tru?4 ,yet )\t ?is division !re c be no tru?2 nor any complete tru? )\t ! reunion ( ! p>ts into a :ole4 ,& h5ce ! coexi/5ce ( opposites 9 ! unity ( ! idea is reg>d$ by ,hegel z ! supreme pr9ciple ( philosophy2 & ! law ( contradiction1 :i* is affirm$ by logicians to be an ultimate pr9ciple ( ! human m9d1 is displac$ by ano!r law1 :i* ass]ts ! coexi/5ce ( contradictories z imp]fect & divid$ elem5ts ( ! tru?4 ,)\t ent]+ fur!r into ! dep?s ( ,hegelianism1 we may rem>k t ?is & all simil> attempts to reconcile ant9omies h _! orig9 9 ! old ,platonic problem ( ! ',"o & ,_m4' ,,ii4 #a4 ,! fir/ ( ,plato's categories or elem5ts is ! inf9ite4 ,?is is ! negative ( measure or limit2 ! un?9kable1 ! unkn[able2 ( :i* no?+ c be affirm$2 ! mixture or *aos :i* prec$$ di/9ct k9ds 9 ! creation ( ! _w2 ! fir/ vague impression ( s5se2 ! m or less :i* refuses to be r$uc$ to rule1 hav+ c]ta9 aff9ities ) evil1 ) pleasure1 ) ignorance1 & :i* 9 ! scale ( be+ is f>!/ remov$ f ! beautiful & good4 ,to a ,greek ( ! age ( ,plato1 ! idea ( an inf9ite m9d w\ld h be5 an absurdity4 ,he w\ld h insi/$ t '! good is ( ! nature ( ! f9ite1' & t ! inf9ite is a m]e negative1 :i* is on ! level ( s5sation1 & n ( ?\ght4 ,he 0 aw>e t !re 0 a di/9ction betwe5 ! inf9itely great & ! inf9itely small1 b he w\ld h equally d5i$ ! claim ( ei!r to true exi/5ce4 ,( t positive inf9ity1 or inf9ite reality1 :i* we attribute to ,god1 he _h no conception4 ,! ,greek conception ( ! inf9ite w\ld be m truly describ$1 9 our way ( speak+1 z ! indef9ite4 ,to u1 ! notion ( inf9ity is subsequ5t r ?an prior to ! f9ite1 express+ n absolute vacancy or negation1 b only ! removal ( limit or re/ra9t1 :i* we suppose to exi/ n be=e b aft] we h already set b\nds to ?\ght & matt]1 & divid$ !m aft] _! k9ds4 ,f diff]5t po9ts ( view1 ei!r ! f9ite or inf9ite may be look$ ^u respectively bo? z positive & negative 7comp>e ',omnis det]m9atio e/ negatio'7' & ! conception ( ! "o det]m9es t ( ! o!r4 ,! ,greeks & ! mod]ns seem to be ne>ly at ! opposite poles 9 _! mann] ( reg>d+ !m4 ,& bo? are surpris$ :5 !y make ! discov]y1 z ,plato has done 9 ! ,sophi/1 h[ l>ge an elem5t negation =ms 9 ! framework ( _! ?\ghts4 #b1 #c4 ,! f9ite elem5t :i* m+les ) & regulates ! inf9ite is be/ express$ to u by ! ^w 'law4' ,x is t :i* measures all ?+s & assigns to !m _! limit2 :i* pres]ves !m 9 _! natural /ate1 & br+s !m )9 ! sph]e ( human cognition4 ,?is is describ$ by ! t]ms h>mony1 heal?1 ord]1 p]fection1 & ! l4 ,all ?+s1 9 z f> z !y are good1 ev5 pleasures1 :i* are = ! mo/ "p indef9ite1 p>take ( ?is elem5t4 ,we %\ld be wrong 9 attribut+ to ,plato ! conception ( laws ( nature d]iv$ f obs]vation & exp]im5t4 ,& yet he has z int5se a conviction z any mod]n philosoph] t nature does n proce$ by *ance4 ,b obs]v+ t ! wond]ful con/ruction ( numb] & figure1 :i* he _h )9 himself1 & :i* seem$ to be prior to himself1 expla9$ a "p ( ! ph5om5a ( ! ext]nal _w1 he ext5d$ _! pr9ciples to ! :ole1 f9d+ 9 !m ! true type bo? ( human life & ( ! ord] ( nature4 ,two o!r po9ts may be notic$ respect+ ! ?ird class4 ,fir/1 t ,plato seems to be unconsci\s ( any int]val or *asm :i* sep>ates ! f9ite f ! inf9ite4 ,! "o is 9 v>i\s ways & degrees work+ 9 ! o!r4 ,h5ce he has implicitly answ]$ ! difficulty ) :i* he />t$1 ( h[ ! "o c\ld rema9 "o & yet be divid$ among _m individuals1 or 'h[ ideas c\ld be 9 & out ( !mselves1' & ! l4 ,secondly1 t 9 ?is mix$ class we f9d ! idea ( beauty4 ,good1 :5 exhibit$ "u ! aspect ( measure or symmetry1 becomes beauty4 ,& if we translate 8 language into correspond+ mod]n t]ms1 we %all n be f> wrong 9 say+ t "h1 z well z 9 ! ,republic1 ,plato conceives beauty "u ! idea ( proportion4 #d4 ,la/ & highe/ 9 ! li/ ( pr9ciples or elem5ts is ! cause ( ! union ( ! f9ite & inf9ite1 to :i* ,plato ascribes ! ord] ( ! _w4 ,reason+ f man to ! univ]se1 he argues t z !re is a m9d 9 ! "o1 !re mu/ be a m9d 9 ! o!r1 :i* he id5tifies ) ! royal m9d ( ,zeus4 ,?is is ! fir/ cause ( :i* 'our ance/ors spoke1' z he says1 appeal+ to tradition1 9 ! ,philebus z well z 9 ! ,timaeus4 ,! '"o & _m' is also suppos$ to h be5 reveal$ by tradition4 ,= ! my?ical elem5t has n altoge!r disappe>$4 ,"s *>act]i/ic diff]5ces may "h be not$1 :i* di/+ui% ! anci5t f ! mod]n mode ( conceiv+ ,god4 a4 ,to ,plato1 ! idea ( ,god or m9d is bo? p]sonal & imp]sonal4 ,nor 9 ascrib+1 z appe>s to u1 bo? ^! attributes to him1 & 9 speak+ ( ,god bo? 9 ! mascul9e & neut] g5d]1 did he seem to himself inconsi/5t4 ,= ! diff]5ce betwe5 ! p]sonal & imp]sonal 0 n m>k$ to him z to ourselves4 ,we make a fundam5tal di/9ction betwe5 a ?+ & a p]son1 :ile to ,plato1 by ! help ( v>i\s int]m$iate ab/ractions1 su* z end1 good1 cause1 !y appe> almo/ to meet 9 "o1 or to be two aspects ( ! same4 ,h5ce1 )\t any reconciliation or ev5 rem>k1 9 ! ,republic he speaks at "o "t ( ,god or ,gods1 & at ano!r "t ( ! ,good4 ,s 9 ! ,pha$rus he seems to pass unconsci\sly f ! concrete to ! ab/ract conception ( ! ,ideas 9 ! same dialogue4 ,nor 9 ! ,philebus is he c>eful to %[ 9 :at relation ! idea ( ! div9e m9d /&s to ! supreme pr9ciple ( measure4 b4 ,aga91 to u !re is a /rongly-m>k$ di/9ction betwe5 a fir/ cause & a f9al cause4 ,& we %\ld commonly id5tify a fir/ cause ) ,god1 & ! f9al cause ) ! _w1 :i* is ,8 "w4 ,b ,plato1 ?\gh n a ,pan!i/1 & v f> f conf\nd+ ,god ) ! _w1 t5ds to id5tify ! fir/ ) ! f9al cause4 ,! cause ( ! union ( ! f9ite & inf9ite might be describ$ z a high] law2 ! f9al measure :i* is ! highe/ expression ( ! good may also be describ$ z ! supreme law4 ,bo? ^! conceptions are realiz$ *iefly by ! help ( ! mat]ial _w2 & !re=e :5 we pass into ! sph]e ( ideas c h>dly be di/+ui%$4 ,! f\r pr9ciples are requir$ = ! det]m9ation ( ! relative places ( pleasure & wisdom4 ,plato has be5 say+ t we %\ld proce$ by regul> /eps f ! "o to ! _m4 ,accord+ly1 be=e assign+ ! prec$5ce ei!r to good or pleasure1 he mu/ fir/ f9d out & arrange 9 ord] ! g5]al pr9ciples ( ?+s4 ,m9d is asc]ta9$ to be ak9 to ! nature ( ! cause1 :ile pleasure is f\nd 9 ! inf9ite or indef9ite class4 ,we may n[ proce$ to divide pleasure & k aft] _! k9ds4 ,,iii4 #a4 ,plato speaks ( pleasure z indef9ite1 z relative1 z a g5]ation1 & 9 all ^! po9ts ( view z 9 a category di/9ct f good4 ,= aga9 we mu/ repeat1 t to ! ,greek '! good is ( ! nature ( ! f9ite1' &1 l virtue1 ei!r is1 or is ne>ly alli$ to1 k4 ,! mod]n philosoph] w\ld rem>k t ! indef9ite is equally real ) ! def9ite4 ,heal? & m5tal qualities are 9 ! concrete undef9$2 !y are nev]!less real goods1 & ,plato rightly reg>ds !m z fall+ "u ! f9ite class4 ,aga91 we are able to def9e objects or ideas1 n 9 s f> z !y are 9 ! m9d1 b 9 s f> z !y are manife/$ ext]nally1 & c !re=e be r$uc$ to rule & measure4 ,& if we adopt ! te/ ( def9it5ess1 ! pleasures ( ! body are m capable ( be+ def9$ ?an any o!r pleasures4 ,z 9 art & k g5]ally1 we proce$ f )\t inw>ds1 beg9n+ ) facts ( s5se1 & pass+ to ! m ideal conceptions ( m5tal pleasure1 happ9ess1 & ! l4 #b4 ,pleasure is depreciat$ z relative1 :ile good is exalt$ z absolute4 ,b ?is di/9ction seems to arise f an unfair mode ( reg>d+ !m2 ! ab/ract idea ( ! "o is comp>$ ) ! concrete exp]i5ce ( ! o!r4 ,= all pleasure & all k may be view$ ei!r ab/ract$ f ! m9d1 or 9 relation to ! m9d 7comp>e ,ari/ot4 ,nic4 ,e?ics74 ,! fir/ is an idea only1 :i* may be conceiv$ z absolute & un*angeable1 & !n ! ab/ract idea ( pleasure w be equally un*angeable ) t ( k4 ,b :5 we come to view ei!r z ph5om5a ( consci\sness1 ! same defects are = ! mo/ "p incid5t to bo? ( !m4 ,our hold ^u !m is equally transi5t & unc]ta92 ! m9d _c be always 9 a /ate ( intellectual t5sion1 any m ?an capable ( feel+ pleasure always4 ,! k :i* is at "o "t cle> & di/9ct1 at ano!r seems to fade away1 j z ! pleasure ( heal? aft] sickness1 or ( eat+ aft] hung]1 soon passes into a neutral /ate ( unconsci\sness & indiff]5ce4 ,*ange & alt]nation are necess>y = ! m9d z well z = ! body2 & 9 ?is is to be ackn[l$g$1 n an elem5t ( evil1 b r a law ( nature4 ,! *ief diff]5ce betwe5 subjective pleasure & subjective k 9 respect ( p]man5ce is t ! latt]1 :5 our feeble faculties are able to grasp x1 /ill conveys to u an idea ( un*angeabl5ess :i* _c be got rid (4 #c4 ,9 ! language ( anci5t philosophy1 ! relative "* ( pleasure is describ$ z becom+ or g5]ation4 ,?is is relative to ,be+ or ,ess5ce1 & f "o po9t ( view may be reg>d$ z ! ,h]aclitean flux 9 contra/ ) ! ,eleatic ,be+2 f ano!r1 z ! transi5t enjoym5t ( eat+ & dr9k+ comp>$ ) ! suppos$ p]man5ce ( intellectual pleasures4 ,b to u ! di/9ction is unmean+1 & belongs to a /age ( philosophy :i* has pass$ away4 ,plato himself seems to h suspect$ t ! cont9uance or life ( ?+s is q z mu* to be attribut$ to a pr9ciple ( re/ z ( motion 7comp>e ,*>m4 ,cratyl474 ,a lat] view ( pleasure is f\nd 9 ,ari/otle1 :o agrees ) ,plato 9 _m po9ts1 e4g4 9 8 view ( pleasure z a re/oration to nature1 9 8 di/9ction betwe5 bodily & m5tal1 betwe5 necess>y & non-necess>y pleasures4 ,b he is also 9 advance ( ,plato2 = he affirms t pleasure is n 9 ! body at all2 & h5ce n ev5 ! bodily pleasures are to be spok5 ( z g5]ations1 b only z accompani$ by g5]ation 7,nic4 ,e?474 #d4 ,plato attempts to id5tify vici\s pleasures ) "s =m ( error1 & insi/s t ! t]m false may be appli$ to !m3 9 ?is he appe>s to be c>ry+ out 9 a confus$ mann] ! ,socratic doctr9e1 t virtue is k1 vice ignorance4 ,he w all[ ( no di/9ction betwe5 ! pleasures & ! errone\s op9ions on :i* !y are f\nd$1 :e!r aris+ out ( ! illusion ( di/ance or n4 ,b to ?is we naturally reply ) ,prot>*us1 t ! pleasure is :at x is1 al?\gh ! calculation may be false1 or ! aft]-effects pa9ful4 ,x is difficult to acquit ,plato1 to use 8 own language1 ( be+ a 'tyro 9 dialectics1' :5 he ov]looks su* a di/9ction4 ,yet1 on ! o!r h&1 we are h>dly fair judges ( confusions ( ?\ght 9 ^? :o view ?+s diff]5tly f ourselves4 #e4 ,!re appe>s also to be an incorrectness 9 ! notion :i* occurs bo? "h & 9 ! ,gorgias1 ( ! simultane\sness ( m]ely bodily pleasures & pa9s4 ,we may1 p]haps1 admit1 ?\gh ev5 ?is is n free f d\bt1 t ! feel+ ( pleasureable hope or recollection is1 or r may be1 simultane\s ) acute bodily suff]+4 ,b !re is no su* coexi/5ce ( ! pa9 ( ?ir/ ) ! pleasures ( dr9k+2 !y are n really simultane\s1 = ! "o expels ! o!r4 ,nor does ,plato seem to h consid]$ t ! bodily pleasures1 except 9 c]ta9 extreme cases1 are unatt5d$ ) pa94 ,few philosoph]s w d5y t a degree ( pleasure att5ds eat+ & dr9k+2 & yet surely we might z well speak ( ! pa9s ( dige/ion :i* foll[1 z ( ! pa9s ( hung] & ?ir/ :i* prec$e !m4 ,plato's conception is d]iv$ p>tly f ! extreme case ( a man suff]+ pa9 f hung] or ?ir/1 p>tly f ! image ( a full & empty vessel4 ,b ! tru? is r1 t :ile ! gratification ( our bodily desires con/antly af=ds "s degree ( pleasure1 ! antec$5t pa9s are sc>cely p]ceiv$ by u1 be+ almo/ done away ) by use & regul>ity4 #f4 ,! desire to classify pleasures z accompani$ or n accompani$ by antec$5t pa9s1 has l$ ,plato to place "u "o head ! pleasures ( smell & sight1 z well z ^? d]iv$ f s\nds ( music & f k4 ,he w\ld h done bett] to make a sep>ate class ( ! pleasures ( smell1 hav+ no association ( m9d1 or p]haps to h divid$ !m into natural & artificial4 ,! pleasures ( sight & s\nd might !n h be5 reg>d$ z be+ ! expression ( ideas4 ,b ?is high] & tru] po9t ( view nev] appe>s to h occurr$ to ,plato4 ,nor has he any di/9ction betwe5 ! f9e arts & ! me*anical2 &1 nei!r "h nor any:]e1 an adequate conception ( ! beautiful 9 ext]nal ?+s4 #g4 ,plato agrees p>tially ) c]ta9 'surly or fa/idi\s' philosoph]s1 z he t]ms !m1 :o def9$ pleasure to be ! abs5ce ( pa94 ,!y are also describ$ z em95t 9 physics4 ,!re is un=tunately no s*ool ( ,greek philosophy kn[n to u :i* comb9$ ^! two *>act]i/ics4 ,anti/h5es1 :o 0 an enemy ( pleasure1 0 n a physical philosoph]2 ! atomi/s1 :o 7 physical philosoph]s1 7 n enemies ( pleasure4 ,yet su* a comb9ation ( op9ions is f> f be+ impossible4 ,plato's omission to m5tion !m by "n has creat$ ! same unc]ta9ty respect+ !m :i* also occurs respect+ ! 'fri5ds ( ! ideas' & ! 'mat]iali/s' 9 ! ,sophi/4 ,on ! :ole1 ?is discussion is "o ( ! lea/ satisfactory 9 ! dialogues ( ,plato4 ,:ile ! e?ical nature ( pleasure is sc>cely consid]$1 & ! m]ely physical ph5om5on imp]fectly analys$1 too mu* weight is giv5 to ideas ( measure & numb]1 z ! sole pr9ciple ( good4 ,! comp>ison ( pleasure & k is really a comp>ison ( two elem5ts1 :i* h no common measure1 & :i* _c be exclud$ f ea* o!r4 ,feel+ is n oppos$ to k1 & 9 all consci\sness !re is an elem5t ( bo?4 ,! mo/ ab/ract k9ds ( k are insep>able f "s pleasure or pa91 :i* accompanies ! acquisition or possession ( !m3 ! /ud5t is liable to gr[ we>y ( !m1 & soon discov]s t cont9u\s m5tal en]gy is n grant$ to m54 ,! mo/ s5sual pleasure1 on ! o!r h&1 is insep>able f ! consci\sness ( pleasure2 no man c be happy :o1 to borr[ ,plato's illu/ration1 is lead+ ! life ( an oy/]4 ,h5ce 7by 8 own confession7 ! ma9 !sis is n wor? det]m9+2 ! real int]e/ lies 9 ! incid5tal discussion4 ,we c no m sep>ate pleasure f k 9 ! ,philebus ?an we c sep>ate ju/ice f happ9ess 9 ! ,republic4 ,,iv4 ,an int]e/+ acc\nt is giv5 9 ! ,philebus ( ! rank & ord] ( ! sci5ces or arts1 :i* agrees g5]ally ) ! s*eme ( k 9 ! ,six? ,book ( ! ,republic4 ,! *ief diff]5ce is1 t ! position ( ! arts is m exactly def9$4 ,!y are divid$ into an empirical "p & a sci5tific "p1 ( :i* ! fir/ is m]e guess-"w1 ! second is det]m9$ by rule & measure4 ,( ! m empirical arts1 music is giv5 z an example2 ?is1 al?\gh affirm$ to be necess>y to human life1 is depreciat$4 ,music is reg>d$ f a po9t ( view entirely opposite to t ( ! ,republic1 n z a sublime sci5ce1 coord9ate ) a/ronomy1 b z full ( d\bt & conjecture4 ,accord+ to ! /&>d ( accuracy :i* is "h adopt$1 x is rightly plac$ l[] 9 ! scale ?an c>p5t]+1 because ! latt] is m capable ( be+ r$uc$ to measure4 ,! !oretical elem5t ( ! arts may also become a purely ab/ract sci5ce1 :5 sep>at$ f matt]1 & is !n said to be pure & unmix$4 ,! di/9ction :i* ,plato "h makes seems to be ! same z t betwe5 pure & appli$ ma!matics1 & may be express$ 9 ! mod]n =mula--sci5ce is art !oretical1 art is sci5ce practical4 ,9 ! reason :i* he gives = ! sup]iority ( ! pure sci5ce ( numb] ov] ! mix$ or appli$1 we c only agree ) him 9 "p4 ,he says t ! numb]s :i* ! philosoph] employs are always ! same1 :]eas ! numb]s :i* are us$ 9 practice repres5t diff]5t sizes or quantities4 ,he does n see t ?is p[] ( express+ diff]5t quantities by ! same symbol is ! *>act]i/ic & n ! defect ( numb]s1 & is due to _! ab/ract nature2--al?\gh we admit ( c\rse :at ,plato seems to feel 9 8 di/9ctions betwe5 pure & impure k1 t ! imp]fection ( matt] ent]s into ! applications ( !m4 ,above ! o!r sci5ces1 z 9 ! ,republic1 t[]s dialectic1 :i* is ! sci5ce ( et]nal ,be+1 appreh5d$ by ! pure/ m9d & reason4 ,! l[] sci5ces1 includ+ ! ma!matical1 are ak9 to op9ion r ?an to reason1 & are plac$ toge!r 9 ! f\r? class ( goods4 ,! relation 9 :i* !y /& to dialectic is obscure 9 ! ,republic1 & is n cle>$ up 9 ! ,philebus4 ,v4 ,?us f> we h only atta9$ to ! ve/ibule or ante-*amb] ( ! good2 = !re is a good exce$+ k1 exce$+ ess5ce1 :i*1 l ,glaucon 9 ! ,republic1 we f9d a difficulty 9 appreh5d+4 ,?is good is n[ to be exhibit$ to u "u v>i\s aspects & gradations4 ,! relative dignity ( pleasure & k has be5 det]m9$2 b !y h n yet receiv$ _! exact position 9 ! scale ( goods4 ,"s difficulties occur to u 9 ! enum]ation3 ,fir/1 h[ are we to di/+ui% ! fir/ f ! second class ( goods1 or ! second f ! ?ird8 ,secondly1 :y is !re no m5tion ( ! supreme m9d8 ,?irdly1 ! nature ( ! f\r? class4 ,f\r?ly1 ! mean+ ( ! allusion to a six? class1 :i* is n fur!r inve/igat$4 7,i7 ,plato seems to proce$ 9 8 table ( goods1 f ! m ab/ract to ! less ab/ract2 f ! subjective to ! objective2 until at ! l[] end ( ! scale we fairly desc5d into ! region ( human action & feel+4 ,to him1 ! great] ! ab/raction ! great] ! tru?1 & he is always t5d+ to see ab/ractions )9 ab/ractions2 :i*1 l ! ideas 9 ! ,p>m5ides1 are always appe>+ "o beh9d ano!r4 ,h5ce we f9d a difficulty 9 foll[+ him into ! sph]e ( ?\ght :i* he is seek+ to atta94 ,fir/ 9 8 scale ( goods he places measure1 9 :i* he f9ds ! et]nal nature3 ?is w\ld be m naturally express$ 9 mod]n language z et]nal law1 & seems to be ak9 bo? to ! f9ite & to ! m9d or cause1 :i* 7 two ( ! elem5ts 9 ! =m] table4 ,l ! supreme nature 9 ! ,timaeus1 l ! ideal beauty 9 ! ,symposium or ! ,pha$rus1 or l ! ideal good 9 ! ,republic1 ?is is ! absolute & unapproa*able be+4 ,b ?is be+ is manife/$ 9 symmetry & beauty ev]y:]e1 9 ! ord] ( nature & ( m9d1 9 ! relations ( m5 to "o ano!r4 ,= ! ^w 'measure' he n[ sub/itutes ! ^w 'symmetry1' z if int5d+ to express measure conceiv$ z relation4 ,he !n proce$s to reg>d ! good no long] 9 an objective =m1 b z ! human reason seek+ to atta9 tru? by ! aid ( dialectic2 su* at lea/ we naturally inf] to be 8 mean+1 :5 we consid] t bo? "h & 9 ! ,republic ! sph]e ( n\s or m9d is assign$ to dialectic4 7#b7 ,x is rem>kable 7see above7 t ?is p]sonal conception ( m9d is conf9$ to ! human m9d1 & n ext5d$ to ! div9e4 7#c7 ,if we may be all[$ to int]pret "o dialogue ( ,plato by ano!r1 ! sci5ces ( figure & numb] are probably class$ ) ! arts & true op9ions1 because !y proce$ f hypo!ses 7comp>e ,republic74 7#d7 ,! six? class1 if a six? class is to be add$1 is playfully set aside by a quotation f ,orpheus3 ,plato means to say t a six? class1 if !re be su* a class1 is n wor? consid]+1 because pleasure1 hav+ only ga9$ ! fif? place 9 ! scale ( goods1 is already out ( ! runn+4 ,,vi4 ,we may n[ endeav\r to asc]ta9 ! relation ( ! ,philebus to ! o!r dialogues4 ,"h ,plato %[s ! same indiff]5ce to 8 own doctr9e ( ,ideas :i* he has already manife/$ 9 ! ,p>m5ides & ! ,sophi/4 ,! pr9ciple ( ! "o & _m ( :i* he "h speaks1 is illu/rat$ by examples 9 ! ,sophi/ & ,/atesman4 ,not)/&+ ! diff]5ces ( /yle1 _m resemblances may be notic$ betwe5 ! ,philebus & ,gorgias4 ,! !ory ( ! simultane\sness ( pleasure & pa9 is common to bo? ( !m 7,phil4 ,gorg472 !re is also a common t5d5cy 9 !m to take up arms aga9/ pleasure1 al?\gh ! view ( ! ,philebus1 :i* is probably ! lat] ( ! two dialogues1 is ! m mod]ate4 ,!re seems to be an allusion to ! passage 9 ! ,gorgias1 9 :i* ,socrates dilates on ! pleasures ( it*+ & scrat*+4 ,nor is !re any real discrepancy 9 ! mann] 9 :i* ,gorgias & 8 art are spok5 ( 9 ! two dialogues4 ,= ,socrates is f> f imply+ t ! art ( rhetoric has a real sph]e ( practical usefulness3 he only means t ! refutation ( ! claims ( ,gorgias is n necess>y = 8 pres5t purpose4 ,he is say+ 9 effect3 ',admit1 if y please1 t rhetoric is ! greate/ & usefulle/ ( sci5ces3--?is does n prove t dialectic is n ! pure/ & mo/ exact4' ,f ! ,sophi/ & ,/atesman we "k t 8 ho/ility t[>ds ! sophi/s & rhetoricians 0 n mitigat$ 9 lat] life2 al?\gh bo? 9 ! ,/atesman & ,laws he admits ( a high] use ( rhetoric4 ,reasons h be5 already giv5 = assign+ a late date to ! ,philebus4 ,t ! date is probably lat] ?an t ( ! ,republic1 may be fur!r argu$ on ! foll[+ gr\nds3--#a4 ,! g5]al resemblance to ! lat] dialogues & to ! ,laws3 #b4 ,! m complete acc\nt ( ! nature ( good & pleasure3 #c4 ,! di/9ction betwe5 p]ception1 memory1 recollection1 & op9ion :i* indicates a great progress 9 psy*ology2 also betwe5 und]/&+ & imag9ation1 :i* is describ$ "u ! figure ( ! scribe & ! pa9t]4 ,a sup]ficial notion may arise t ,plato probably wrote %ort] dialogues1 su* z ! ,philebus1 ! ,sophi/1 & ! ,/atesman1 z /udies or prep>ations = long] ones4 ,?is view may be natural2 b on fur!r reflection is se5 to be fallaci\s1 because ^! ?ree dialogues are f\nd to make an advance ^u ! metaphysical conceptions ( ! ,republic4 ,& we c m easily suppose t ,plato compos$ %ort] writ+s aft] long] ones1 ?an suppose t he lo/ hold ( fur!r po9ts ( view :i* he _h once atta9$4 ,x is m easy to f9d traces ( ! ,py?agoreans1 ,eleatics1 ,meg>ians1 ,cynics1 ,cyr5aics & ( ! ideas ( ,anaxagoras1 9 ! ,philebus1 ?an to say h[ mu* is due to ea* ( !m4 ,_h we full] records ( ^? old philosoph]s1 we %\ld probably f9d ,plato 9 ! mid/ ( ! fray attempt+ to comb9e ,eleatic & ,py?agorean doctr9es1 & seek+ to f9d a tru? beyond ei!r ,be+ or numb]2 sett+ up 8 own concrete conception ( good aga9/ ! ab/ract practical good ( ! ,cynics1 or ! ab/ract intellectual good ( ! ,meg>ians1 & 8 own idea ( classification aga9/ ! d5ial ( plurality 9 unity :i* is also attribut$ to !m2 w>r+ aga9/ ! ,eri/ics z de/ructive ( tru?1 z he _h =m]ly f\ght aga9/ ! ,sophi/s2 tak+ up a middle position betwe5 ! ,cynics & ,cyr5aics 9 8 doctr9e ( pleasure2 ass]t+ ) m consi/5cy ?an ,anaxagoras ! exi/5ce ( an intellig5t m9d & cause4 ,( ! ,h]acliteans1 :om he is said by ,ari/otle to h cultivat$ 9 8 y\?1 he speaks 9 ! ,philebus1 z 9 ! ,!aetetus & ,cratylus1 ) irony & contempt4 ,b we h n ! k :i* w\ld enable u to pursue fur!r ! l9e ( reflection "h indicat$2 nor c we expect to f9d p]fect cle>ness or ord] 9 ! fir/ ef=ts ( mank9d to und]/& ! work+ ( _! own m9ds4 ,! ideas :i* !y are attempt+ to analyse1 !y are also 9 process ( creat+2 ! ab/ract univ]sals ( :i* !y are seek+ to adju/ ! relations h be5 already exclud$ by !m f ! category ( relation4 444 ,! ,philebus1 l ! ,cratylus1 is suppos$ to be ! cont9uation ( a previ\s discussion4 ,an argum5t respect+ ! comp>ative claims ( pleasure & wisdom to rank z ! *ief good has be5 already c>ri$ on betwe5 ,philebus & ,socrates4 ,! argum5t is n[ transf]r$ to ,prot>*us1 ! son ( ,callias1 a noble ,a!nian y\?1 sprung f a family :i* _h sp5t 'a _w ( money' on ! ,sophi/s 7comp>e ,apol42 ,crat42 ,protag474 ,philebus1 :o appe>s to be ! tea*]1 or eld] fri5d1 & p]haps ! lov]1 ( ,prot>*us1 takes no fur!r "p 9 ! discussion beyond ass]t+ 9 ! /ronge/ mann] 8 adh]5ce1 "u all circum/ances1 to ! cause ( pleasure4 ,socrates sugge/s t !y %all h a fir/ & second palm ( victory4 ,= !re may be a good high] ?an ei!r pleasure or wisdom1 & !n nei!r ( !m w ga9 ! fir/ prize1 b :i*ev] ( ! two is m ak9 to ?is high] good w h a "r to ! second4 ,!y agree1 & ,socrates op5s ! game by enl>g+ on ! div]sity & opposition :i* exi/s among pleasures4 ,= !re are pleasures ( all k9ds1 good & bad1 wise & fooli%--pleasures ( ! temp]ate z well z ( ! intemp]ate4 ,prot>*us replies t al?\gh pleasures may be oppos$ 9 s f> z !y spr+ f opposite s\rces1 nev]!less z pleasures !y are alike4 ,yes1 retorts ,socrates1 pleasure is l pleasure1 z figure is l figure & col\r l col\r2 yet we all "k t !re is great v>iety among figures & col\rs4 ,prot>*us does n see ! drift ( ?is rem>k2 & ,socrates proce$s to ask h[ he c h a "r to attribute a new pr$icate 7i4e4 'good'7 to pleasures 9 g5]al1 :5 he _c d5y t !y are diff]5t8 ,:at common prop]ty 9 all ( !m does he mean to indicate by ! t]m 'good'8 ,if he cont9ues to ass]t t !re is "s trivial s5se 9 :i* pleasure is "o1 ,socrates may retort by say+ t k is "o1 b ! result w be t su* m]ely v]bal & trivial conceptions1 :e!r ( k or pleasure1 w spoil ! discussion1 & w prove ! incapacity ( ! two disputants4 ,9 ord] to avoid ?is dang]1 he proposes t !y %all beat a retreat1 &1 be=e !y proce$1 come to an und]/&+ ab\t ! 'high argum5t' ( ! "o & ! _m4 ,prot>*us agrees to ! proposal1 b he is "u ! impression t ,socrates means to discuss ! common "q--h[ a s5sible object c be "o1 & yet h opposite attributes1 su* z 'great' & 'small1' 'light' & 'heavy1' or h[ !re c be _m memb]s 9 "o body1 & ! l wond]s4 ,socrates has long ceas$ to see any wond] 9 ^! ph5om5a2 8 difficulties beg9 ) ! application ( numb] to ab/ract unities 7e4g4'man1' 'good'7 & ) ! attempt to divide !m4 ,= h ^! unities ( idea any real exi/5ce8 ,h[1 if imp]i%able1 c !y ent] into ! _w ( g5]ation8 ,h[1 z units1 c !y be divid$ & disp]s$ among diff]5t objects8 ,or d !y exi/ 9 _! entirety 9 ea* object8 ,^! difficulties are b imp]fectly answ]$ by ,socrates 9 :at foll[s4 ,we speak ( a "o & _m1 :i* is ev] fl[+ 9 & out ( all ?+s1 conc]n+ :i* a "y man (t5 runs wild 9 8 fir/ metaphysical en?usiasm1 talk+ ab\t analysis & syn!sis to 8 fa!r & "m & ! neighb\rs1 h>dly sp>+ ev5 8 dog4 ,?is '"o 9 _m' is a revelation ( ! ord] ( ! _w1 :i* "s ,prome!us fir/ made kn[n to our ance/ors2 & !y1 :o 7 bett] m5 & ne>] ! gods ?an we are1 h h&$ x d[n to u4 ,to "k h[ to proce$ by regul> /eps f "o to _m1 & f _m to "o1 is j :at makes ! diff]5ce betwe5 eri/ic & dialectic4 ,& ! "r way ( proce$+ is to look = "o idea or class 9 all ?+s1 & :5 y h f\nd "o to look = m ?an "o1 & = all t !re are1 & :5 y h f\nd !m all & regul>ly divid$ a p>ticul> field ( k into classes1 y may leave ! fur!r consid]ation ( individuals4 ,b y mu/ n pass at once ei!r f unity to inf9ity1 or f inf9ity to unity4 ,9 music1 = example1 y may beg9 ) ! mo/ g5]al notion1 b ?is alone w n make y a musician3 y mu/ "k also ! numb] & nature ( ! int]vals1 & ! sy/ems :i* are fram$ out ( !m1 & ! rhy?ms ( ! dance :i* correspond to !m4 ,& :5 y h a simil> k ( any o!r subject1 y may be said to "k t subject4 ,9 spee* aga9 !re are inf9ite v>ieties ( s\nd1 & "s "o :o 0 a wise man1 or m ?an man1 compreh5d$ !m all 9 ! classes ( mutes1 v[els1 & semiv[els1 & gave to ea* ( !m a "n1 & assign$ !m to ! art ( gramm>4 ',b :i!r1 ,socrates1 are y go+8 ,& :at has ?is to d ) ! comp>ative eligibility ( pleasure & wisdom3' ,socrates replies1 t be=e we c adju/ _! respective claims1 we want to "k ! numb] & k9ds ( bo? ( !m4 ,:at are !y8 ,he is reque/$ to answ] ! "q himself4 ,t he w1 if he may be all[$ to make "o or two prelim9>y rem>ks4 ,9 ! fir/ place he has a dreamy recollection ( he>+ t nei!r pleasure nor k is ! highe/ good1 = ! good %\ld be p]fect & suffici5t4 ,b is ! life ( pleasure p]fect & suffici5t1 :5 depriv$ ( memory1 consci\sness1 anticipation8 ,is n ?is ! life ( an oy/]8 ,or is ! life ( m9d suffici5t1 if devoid ( any p>ticle ( pleasure8 ,mu/ n ! union ( ! two be high] & m eligible ?an ei!r sep>ately8 ,& is n ! elem5t :i* makes ?is mix$ life eligible m ak9 to m9d ?an to pleasure8 ,?us pleasure is reject$ & m9d is reject$4 ,& yet !re may be a life ( m9d1 n human b div9e1 :i* conqu]s /ill4 ,b1 if we are to pursue ?is argum5t fur!r1 we %all require "s new weapons2 & by ?is1 ,i mean a new classification ( exi/5ce4 7#a7 ,!re is a f9ite elem5t ( exi/5ce1 & 7#b7 an inf9ite1 & 7#c7 ! union ( ! two1 & 7#d7 ! cause ( ! union4 ,m may be add$ if !y are want$1 b at pres5t we c d )\t !m4 ,& fir/ ( ! inf9ite or indef9ite3--,t is ! class :i* is d5ot$ by ! t]ms m or less1 & is always 9 a /ate ( comp>ison4 ,all words or ideas to :i* ! words 'g5tly1' 'extremely1' & o!r comp>ative expressions are appli$1 fall "u ?is class4 ,! inf9ite w\ld be no long] inf9ite1 if limit$ or r$uc$ to measure by numb] & quantity4 ,! opposite class is ! limit$ or f9ite1 & includes all ?+s :i* h numb] & quantity4 ,& !re is a ?ird class ( g5]ation into ess5ce by ! union ( ! f9ite & inf9ite1 9 :i* ! f9ite gives law to ! inf9ite2--"u ?is are compreh5d$ heal?1 /r5g?1 temp]ate seasons1 h>mony1 beauty1 & ! l4 ,! goddess ( beauty saw ! univ]sal wantonness ( all ?+s1 & gave law & ord] to be ! salvation ( ! s\l4 ,b no effect c be g5]at$ )\t a cause1 & !re=e !re mu/ be a f\r? class1 :i* is ! cause ( g5]ation2 = ! cause or ag5t is n ! same z ! pati5t or effect4 ,& n[1 hav+ obta9$ our classes1 we may det]m9e 9 :i* our conqu]or life is to be plac$3 ,cle>ly 9 ! ?ird or mix$ class1 9 :i* ! f9ite gives law to ! inf9ite4 ,& 9 :i* is pleasure to f9d a place8 ,z cle>ly 9 ! inf9ite or indef9ite1 :i* alone1 z ,prot>*us ?9ks 7:o seems to confuse ! inf9ite ) ! sup]lative71 gives to pleasure ! "* ( ! absolute good4 ,yes1 retorts ,socrates1 & also to pa9 ! "* ( absolute evil4 ,& !re=e ! inf9ite _c be t :i* imp>ts to pleasure ! nature ( ! good4 ,b :]e %all we place m9d8 ,t is a v s]i\s & awful "q1 :i* may be prefac$ by ano!r4 ,is m9d or *ance ! "l ( ! univ]se8 ,all philosoph]s w say ! fir/1 & yet1 p]haps1 !y may be only magnify+ !mselves4 ,& = ?is reason ,i %\ld l to consid] ! matt] a little m deeply1 ev5 ?\gh "s lov]s ( disord] 9 ! _w %\ld ridicule my attempt4 ,n[ ! elem5ts e>?1 air1 fire1 wat]1 exi/ 9 u1 & !y exi/ 9 ! cosmos2 b !y are pur] & fair] 9 ! cosmos ?an !y are 9 u1 & !y come to u f !nce4 ,& z we h a s\l z well z a body1 9 l mann] ! elem5ts ( ! f9ite1 ! inf9ite1 ! union ( ! two1 & ! cause1 are f\nd to exi/ 9 u4 ,& if !y1 l ! elem5ts1 exi/ 9 u1 & ! ?ree fir/ exi/ 9 ! _w1 mu/ n ! f\r? or cause :i* is ! noble/ ( !m1 exi/ 9 ! _w8 ,& ?is cause is wisdom or m9d1 ! royal m9d ( ,zeus1 :o is ! k+ ( all1 z !re are o!r gods :o h o!r noble attributes4 ,obs]ve h[ well ?is agrees ) ! te/imony ( m5 ( old1 :o affirm$ m9d to be ! rul] ( ! univ]se4 ,& rememb] t m9d belongs to ! class :i* we t]m ! cause1 & pleasure to ! inf9ite or indef9ite class4 ,we w exam9e ! place & orig9 ( bo?4 ,:at is ! orig9 ( pleasure8 ,h] natural seat is ! mix$ class1 9 :i* heal? & h>mony 7 plac$4 ,pa9 is ! violation1 & pleasure ! re/oration ( limit4 ,!re is a natural union ( f9ite & inf9ite1 :i* 9 hung]1 ?ir/1 heat1 cold1 is impair$--?is is pa9ful1 b ! return to nature1 9 :i* ! elem5ts are re/or$ to _! normal proportions1 is pleasant4 ,"h is our fir/ class ( pleasures4 ,& ano!r class ( pleasures & pa9s are hopes & fe>s2 ^! are 9 ! m9d only4 ,& inasmu* z ! pleasures are unalloy$ by pa9s & ! pa9s by pleasures1 ! exam9ation ( !m may %[ u :e!r all pleasure is to be desir$1 or :e!r ?is entire desirabl5ess is n r ! attribute ( ano!r class4 ,b if pleasures & pa9s consi/ 9 ! violation & re/oration ( limit1 may !re n be a neutral /ate1 9 :i* !re is nei!r dissolution nor re/oration8 ,t is a fur!r "q1 & admitt+1 z we mu/1 ! possibility ( su* a /ate1 !re seems to be no reason :y ! life ( wisdom %\ld n exi/ 9 ?is neutral /ate1 :i* is1 moreov]1 ! /ate ( ! gods1 :o _c1 )\t indec5cy1 be suppos$ to feel ei!r joy or sorr[4 ,! second class ( pleasures involves memory4 ,!re are affections :i* are ext+ui%$ be=e !y rea* ! s\l1 & ( ^! !re is no consci\sness1 & !re=e no memory4 ,& !re are affections :i* ! body & s\l feel toge!r1 & ?is feel+ is t]m$ consci\sness4 ,& memory is ! pres]vation ( consci\sness1 & rem9isc5ce is ! recov]y ( consci\sness4 ,n[ ! memory ( pleasure1 :5 a man is 9 pa91 is ! memory ( ! opposite ( 8 actual bodily /ate1 & is !re=e n 9 ! body1 b 9 ! m9d4 ,& !re may be an int]m$iate /ate1 9 :i* a p]son is balanc$ betwe5 pleasure & pa92 9 8 body !re is want :i* is a cause ( pa91 b 9 8 m9d a sure hope ( repl5i%m5t1 :i* is pleasant4 7,b if ! hope be conv]t$ into despair1 he has two pa9s & n a balance ( pa9 & pleasure47 ,ano!r "q is rais$3 ,may n pleasures1 l op9ions1 be true & false8 ,9 ! s5se ( be+ real1 bo? mu/ be admitt$ to be true3 nor c we d5y t to bo? ( !m qualities may be attribut$2 = pleasures z well z op9ions may be describ$ z good or bad4 ,& ?\gh we d n all ( u all[ t !re are true & false pleasures1 we all ackn[l$ge t !re are "s pleasures associat$ ) "r op9ion1 & o!rs ) falsehood & ignorance4 ,let u endeav\r to analyze ! nature ( ?is association4 ,op9ion is bas$ on p]ception1 :i* may be correct or mi/ak54 ,y may see a figure at a di/ance1 & say fir/ ( all1 ',?is is a man1' & !n say1 ',no1 ?is is an image made by ! %eph]ds4' ,& y may affirm ?is 9 a proposition to y\r companion1 or make ! rem>k m5tally to y\rself4 ,:e!r ! words are actually spok5 or n1 on su* occasions !re is a scribe )9 :o regi/]s !m1 & a pa9t] :o pa9ts ! images ( ! ?+s :i* ! scribe has writt5 d[n 9 ! s\l1--at lea/ t is my own notion ( ! process2 & ! words & images :i* are inscrib$ by !m may be ei!r true or false2 & !y may repres5t ei!r pa/1 pres5t1 or future4 ,&1 repres5t+ ! future1 !y mu/ also repres5t ! pleasures & pa9s ( anticipation--! visions ( gold & o!r fancies :i* are nev] want+ 9 ! m9d ( man4 ,n[ ^! hopes1 z !y are t]m$1 are propositions1 :i* are sometimes true1 & sometimes false2 = ! good1 :o are ! fri5ds ( ! gods1 see true pictures ( ! future1 & ! bad false ones4 ,& z !re may be op9ion ab\t ?+s :i* are n1 7 n1 & w n be1 :i* is op9ion /ill1 s !re may be pleasure ab\t ?+s :i* are n1 7 n1 & w n be1 :i* is pleasure /ill1--t is to say1 false pleasure2 & only :5 false1 c pleasure1 l op9ion1 be vici\s4 ,aga9/ ?is conclusion ,prot>*us reclaims4 ,leav+ 8 d5ial = ! pres5t1 ,socrates proce$s to %[ t "s pleasures are false f ano!r po9t ( view4 ,9 desire1 z we admitt$1 ! body is divid$ f ! s\l1 & h5ce pleasures & pa9s are (t5 simultane\s4 ,& we fur!r admitt$ t bo? ( !m belong$ to ! inf9ite class4 ,h[1 !n1 c we comp>e !m8 ,are we n liable1 or r c]ta91 z 9 ! case ( sight1 to be deceiv$ by di/ance & relation8 ,9 ?is case ! pleasures & pa9s are n false because bas$ ^u false op9ion1 b are !mselves false4 ,& !re is ano!r illusion3 pa9 has (t5 be5 said by u to arise out ( ! d]angem5t--pleasure out ( ! re/oration--( our nature4 ,b 9 pass+ f "o to ! o!r1 d we n exp]i5ce neutral /ates1 :i* al?\gh !y appe> pleasureable or pa9ful are really nei!r8 ,= ev5 if we admit1 ) ! wise man :om ,prot>*us loves 7& only a wise man c\ld h ev] ent]ta9$ su* a notion71 t all ?+s are 9 a p]petual flux1 /ill ^! *anges are (t5 unconsci\s1 & devoid ei!r ( pleasure or pa94 ,we assume1 !n1 t !re are ?ree /ates--pleasureable1 pa9ful1 neutral2 we may embelli% a little by call+ !m gold1 silv]1 & t :i* is nei!r4 ,b !re are c]ta9 natural philosoph]s :o w n admit a ?ird /ate4 ,_! in/9ctive dislike to pleasure leads !m to affirm t pleasure is only ! abs5ce ( pa94 ,!y are noble fell[s1 &1 al?\gh we d n agree ) !m1 we may use !m z div9]s :o w indicate to u ! "r track4 ,!y w say1 t ! nature ( any?+ is be/ kn[n f ! exam9ation ( extreme cases1 e4g4 ! nature ( h>dness f ! exam9ation ( ! h>de/ ?+s2 & t ! nature ( pleasure w be be/ und]/ood f an exam9ation ( ! mo/ int5se pleasures4 ,n[ ^! are ! pleasures ( ! body1 n ( ! m9d2 ! pleasures ( disease & n ( heal?1 ! pleasures ( ! intemp]ate & n ( ! temp]ate4 ,i am speak+1 n ( ! frequ5cy or cont9uance1 b only ( ! int5sity ( su* pleasures1 & ?is is giv5 !m by contra/ ) ! pa9 or sickness ( body :i* prec$es !m4 ,_! morbid nature is illu/rat$ by ! less] in/ances ( it*+ & scrat*+1 respect+ :i* ,i swe> t ,i _c tell :e!r !y are a pleasure or a pa94 7#a7 ,"s ( ^! arise out ( a transition f "o /ate ( ! body to ano!r1 z f cold to hot2 7#b7 o!rs are caus$ by ! contra/ ( an int]nal pa9 & an ext]nal pleasure 9 ! body3 sometimes ! feel+ ( pa9 pr$om9ates1 z 9 it*+ & t+l+1 :5 !y are reliev$ by scrat*+2 sometimes ! feel+ ( pleasure3 or ! pleasure :i* !y give may be q ov]p[]+1 & is !n accompani$ by all sorts ( unutt]able feel+s :i* h a dea? ( delights 9 !m4 ,b !re are also mix$ pleasures :i* are 9 ! m9d only4 ,= are n love & sorr[ z well z ang] 'sweet] ?an honey1' & also full ( pa98 ,is !re n a mixture ( feel+s 9 ! spectator ( trag$y8 & ( com$y also8 ',i d n und]/& t la/4' ,well1 !n1 ) ! view ( light+ up ! obscurity ( ^! mix$ feel+s1 let me ask :e!r envy is pa9ful4 ',yes4' ,& yet ! envi\s man f9ds some?+ pleas+ 9 ! mis=tunes ( o!rs8 ',true4' ,& ignorance is a mis=tune8 ',c]ta9ly4' ,& "o =m ( ignorance is self-conceit--a man may fancy himself ri*]1 fair]1 bett]1 wis] ?an he is8 ',yes4' ,& he :o ?us deceives himself may be /rong or weak8 ',he may4' ,& if he is /rong we fe> him1 & if he is weak we laugh at him1 :i* is a pleasure1 & yet we envy him1 :i* is a pa98 ,^! mix$ feel+s are ! rationale ( trag$y & com$y1 & equally ! rationale ( ! great] drama ( human life4 7,!re appe>s to be "s confusion 9 ?is passage4 ,!re is no difficulty 9 see+ t 9 com$y1 z 9 trag$y1 ! spectator may view ! p]=mance ) mix$ feel+s ( pa9 z well z ( pleasure2 nor is !re any difficulty 9 und]/&+ t envy is a mix$ feel+1 :i* rejoices n )\t pa9 at ! mis=tunes ( o!rs1 & laughs at _! ignorance ( !mselves4 ,b ,plato seems to ?9k fur!r t he has expla9$ ! feel+ ( ! spectator 9 com$y suffici5tly by a !ory :i* only applies to com$y 9 s f> z 9 com$y we laugh at ! conceit or weakness ( o!rs4 ,he has c]ta9ly giv5 a v p>tial explanation ( ! ridicul\s47 ,hav+ %[n h[ sorr[1 ang]1 envy are feel+s ( a mix$ nature1 ,i w res]ve ! consid]ation ( ! rema9d] = ano!r occasion4 ,next foll[ ! unmix$ pleasures2 :i*1 unlike ! philosoph]s ( :om ,i 0 speak+1 ,i believe to be real4 ,^! unmix$ pleasures are3 7#a7 ,! pleasures d]iv$ f beauty ( =m1 col\r1 s\nd1 smell1 :i* are absolutely pure2 & 9 g5]al ^? :i* are unalloy$ ) pa93 7#b7 ,! pleasures d]iv$ f ! acquisition ( k1 :i* 9 !mselves are pure1 b may be att5d$ by an accid5tal pa9 ( =gett+2 ?is1 h[ev]1 arises f a subsequ5t act ( reflection1 ( :i* we ne$ take no acc\nt4 ,at ! same "t1 we admit t ! latt] pleasures are ! prop]ty ( a v few4 ,to ^! pure & unmix$ pleasures we ascribe measure1 :]eas all o!rs belong to ! class ( ! inf9ite1 & are liable to e species ( excess4 ,& "h sev]al que/ions arise = consid]ation3--,:at is ! mean+ ( pure & impure1 ( mod]ate & immod]ate8 ,we may answ] ! "q by an illu/ration3 ,purity ( :ite pa9t consi/s 9 ! cle>ness or quality ( ! :ite1 & ?is is di/9ct f ! quantity or am\nt ( :ite pa9t2 a little pure :ite is fair] ?an a great deal :i* is impure4 ,b !re is ano!r "q3--,pleasure is affirm$ by +5i\s philosoph]s to be a g5]ation2 !y say t !re are two natures--"o self-exi/5t1 ! o!r dep5d5t2 ! "o noble & maje/ic1 ! o!r fail+ 9 bo? ^! qualities4 ',i d n und]/&4' ,!re are lov]s & !re are loves4 ',yes1 ,i "k1 b :at is ! application8' ,! argum5t is 9 play1 & desires to intimate t !re are relatives & !re are absolutes1 & t ! relative is = ! sake ( ! absolute2 & g5]ation is = ! sake ( ess5ce4 ,"u relatives ,i class all ?+s done ) a view to g5]ation2 & ess5ce is ( ! class ( good4 ,b if ess5ce is ( ! class ( good1 g5]ation mu/ be ( "s o!r class2 & our fri5ds1 :o affirm t pleasure is a g5]ation1 w\ld laugh at ! notion t pleasure is a good2 & at t o!r notion1 t pleasure is produc$ by g5]ation1 :i* is only ! alt]native ( de/ruction4 ,:o w\ld pref] su* an alt]nation to ! equable life ( pure ?\ght8 ,"h is "o absurdity1 & n ! only "o1 to :i* ! fri5ds ( pleasure are r$uc$4 ,= is !re n also an absurdity 9 affirm+ t good is ( ! s\l only2 or 9 decl>+ t ! be/ ( m51 if he be 9 pa91 is bad8 ,& n[1 f ! consid]ation ( pleasure1 we pass to t ( k4 ,let u reflect t !re are two k9ds ( k--! "o creative or productive1 & ! o!r educational & philosophical4 ,( ! creative arts1 !re is "o "p pur] or m ak9 to k ?an ! o!r4 ,!re is an elem5t ( guess-"w & an elem5t ( numb] & measure 9 !m4 ,9 music1 = example1 especially 9 flute-play+1 ! conjectural elem5t prevails2 :ile 9 c>p5t]+ !re is m application ( rule & measure4 ,( ! creative arts1 !n1 we may make two classes--! less exact & ! m exact4 ,& ! exact] "p ( all ( !m is really ari?metic & m5suration4 ,b ari?metic & m5suration aga9 may be subdivid$ ) ref]5ce ei!r to _! use 9 ! concrete1 or to _! nature 9 ! ab/ract--z !y are reg>d$ popul>ly 9 build+ & b9d+1 or !oretically by philosoph]s4 ,&1 borr[+ ! analogy ( pleasure1 we may say t ! philosophical use ( !m is pur] ?an ! o!r4 ,?us we h two arts ( ari?metic1 & two ( m5suration4 ,& true/ ( all 9 ! e/imation ( e rational man is dialectic1 or ! sci5ce ( be+1 :i* w =get & dis[n u1 if we =get & dis[n h]4 ',b1 ,socrates1 ,i h he>d ,gorgias say t rhetoric is ! greate/ & usefulle/ ( arts2 & ,i %\ld n l to qu>rel ei!r ) him or y4' ,nei!r is !re any inconsi/5cy1 ,prot>*us1 ) 8 /atem5t 9 :at ,i am n[ say+2 = ,i am n ma9ta9+ t dialectic is ! greate/ or usefulle/1 b only t %e is ! true/ ( arts2 my rem>k is n quantitative b qualitative1 & ref]s n to ! advantage or repetition ( ei!r1 b to ! degree ( tru? :i* !y atta9--"h ,gorgias w n c>e to compete2 ?is is :at we affirm to be possess$ 9 ! highe/ degree by dialectic4 ,& d n let u appeal to ,gorgias or ,philebus or ,socrates1 b ask1 on behalf ( ! argum5t1 :at are ! highe/ tru?s :i* ! s\l has ! p[] ( atta9+4 ,& is n ?is ! sci5ce :i* has a firm] grasp ( !m ?an any o!r8 ,= ! arts g5]ally are only occupi$ ) matt]s ( op9ion1 & ) ! production & action & passion ( ?is s5sible _w4 ,b ! highe/ tru? is t :i* is et]nal & un*angeable4 ,& reason & wisdom are conc]n$ ) ! et]nal2 & ^! are ! v claimants1 if n = ! fir/1 at lea/ = ! second place1 :om ,i propose z rivals to pleasure4 ,& n[1 hav+ ! mat]ials1 we may proce$ to mix !m--fir/ recapitulat+ ! "q at issue4 ,philebus affirm$ pleasure to be ! good1 & assum$ !m to be "o nature2 ,i affirm$ t !y 7 two natures1 & decl>$ t k 0 m ak9 to ! good ?an pleasure4 ,i said t ! two toge!r 7 m eligible ?an ei!r tak5 s+ly2 & to ?is we adh]e4 ,reason intimates1 z at fir/1 t we %\ld seek ! good n 9 ! unmix$ life1 b 9 ! mix$4 ,! cup is ready1 wait+ to be m+l$1 & "h are two f\nta9s1 "o ( honey1 ! o!r ( pure wat]1 out ( :i* to make ! faire/ possible mixture4 ,!re are pure & impure pleasures--pure & impure sci5ces4 ,let u consid] ! sections ( ea* :i* h ! mo/ ( purity & tru?2 to admit !m all indiscrim9ately w\ld be dang]\s4 ,fir/ we w take ! pure sci5ces2 b %all we m+le ! impure--! art :i* uses ! false rule & ! false measure8 ,t we mu/1 if we are any ( u to f9d our way home2 man _c live ^u pure ma!matics alone4 ,& mu/ ,i include music1 :i* is admitt$ to be guess-"w8 ',yes1 y mu/1 if human life is to h any humanity4' ,well1 !n1 ,i w op5 ! door & let !m all 92 !y %all m+le 9 an ,hom]ic 'meet+ ( ! wat]s4' ,& n[ we turn to ! pleasures2 %all ,i admit !m8 ',admit fir/ ( all ! pure pleasures2 secondly1 ! necess>y4' ,& :at %all we say ab\t ! re/8 ,fir/1 ask ! pleasures--!y w be too happy to dwell ) wisdom4 ,secondly1 ask ! arts & sci5ces--!y reply t ! excesses ( intemp]ance are ! ru9 ( !m2 & t !y w\ld r only h ! pleasures ( heal? & temp]ance1 :i* are ! h&maid5s ( virtue4 ,b /ill we want tru?8 ,t is n[ add$2 & s ! argum5t is complete1 & may be comp>$ to an incorporeal law1 :i* is to hold fair rule ov] a liv+ body4 ,& n[ we are at ! ve/ibule ( ! good1 9 :i* !re are ?ree *ief elem5ts--tru?1 symmetry1 & beauty4 ,^! w be ! crit]ion ( ! comp>ative claims ( pleasure & wisdom4 ,:i* has ! great] %>e ( tru?8 ,surely wisdom2 = pleasure is ! v]ie/ impo/or 9 ! _w1 & ! p]juries ( lov]s h pass$ into a prov]b4 ,:i* ( symmetry8 ,wisdom aga92 = no?+ is m immod]ate ?an pleasure4 ,:i* ( beauty8 ,once m1 wisdom2 = pleasure is (t5 unseemly1 & ! greate/ pleasures are put out ( sight4 ,n pleasure1 !n1 ranks fir/ 9 ! scale ( good1 b measure1 & et]nal h>mony4 ,second comes ! symmetrical & beautiful & p]fect4 ,?ird1 m9d & wisdom4 ,f\r?1 sci5ces & arts & true op9ions4 ,fif?1 pa9less pleasures4 ,( a six? class1 ,i h no m to say4 ,?us1 pleasure & m9d may bo? r5\nce ! claim to ! fir/ place4 ,b m9d is t5 ?\s& times ne>] to ! *ief good ?an pleasure4 ,pleasure ranks fif? & n fir/1 ev5 ?\gh all ! animals 9 ! _w ass]t ! contr>y4 444 ,f ! days ( ,ari/ippus & ,epicurus to our own times ! nature ( pleasure has occupi$ ! att5tion ( philosoph]s4 ',is pleasure an evil8 a good8 ! only good8' are ! simple =ms :i* ! enquiry assum$ among ! ,socratic s*ools4 ,b at an e>ly /age ( ! controv]sy ano!r "q 0 ask$3 ',d pleasures diff] 9 k9d8 & are "s bad1 "s good1 & "s nei!r bad nor good8' ,!re are bodily & !re are m5tal pleasures1 :i* 7 at fir/ confus$ b aft]w>ds di/+ui%$4 ,a di/9ction 0 also made betwe5 necess>y & unnecess>y pleasures2 & aga9 betwe5 pleasures :i* _h or _h n correspond+ pa9s4 ,! anci5t philosoph]s 7 fond ( ask+1 9 ! language ( _! age1 ',is pleasure a becom+ only1 & !re=e transi5t & relative1 or d "s pleasures p>take ( tru? & ,be+8' ,to ^! anci5t speculations ! mod]ns h add$ a fur!r "q3--',^: pleasure8 ,! pleasure ( y\rself1 or ( y\r neighb\r1--( ! individual1 or ( ! _w8' ,?is little addition has *ang$ ! :ole aspect ( ! discussion3 ! same ^w is n[ suppos$ to include two pr9ciples z widely diff]5t z b5evol5ce & self-love4 ,"s mod]n writ]s h also di/+ui%$ betwe5 pleasure ! te/1 & pleasure ! motive ( actions4 ,= ! univ]sal te/ ( "r actions 7h[ ,i "k !m7 may n always be ! highe/ or be/ motive ( !m 7:y ,i d !m74 ,socrates1 z we le>n f ! ,memorabilia ( ,x5ophon1 fir/ drew att5tion to ! consequ5ces ( actions4 ,mank9d 7 said by him to act rightly :5 !y knew :at !y 7 do+1 or1 9 ! language ( ! ,gorgias1 'did :at !y w\ld4' ,he seems to h be5 ! fir/ :o ma9ta9$ t ! good 0 ! useful 7,mem474 ,9 8 eag]ness = g5]alization1 seek+1 z ,ari/otle says1 = ! univ]sal 9 ,e?ics 7,metaph471 he took ! mo/ obvi\s intellectual aspect ( human action :i* occurr$ to him4 ,he meant to emphasize1 n pleasure1 b ! calculation ( pleasure2 nei!r is he argu+ t pleasure is ! *ief good1 b t we %\ld h a pr9ciple ( *oice4 ,he did n int5d to oppose '! useful' to "s high] conception1 su* z ! ,platonic ideal1 b to *ance & caprice4 ,! ,platonic ,socrates pursues ! same ve9 ( ?\ght 9 ! ,protagoras1 :]e he argues aga9/ ! s-call$ sophi/ t pleasure & pa9 are ! f9al /&>ds & motives ( good & evil1 & t ! salvation ( human life dep5ds ^u a "r e/imate ( pleasures great] or less :5 se5 ne> & at a di/ance4 ,! te/imony ( ,x5ophon is ?us confirm$ by t ( ,plato1 & we are !re=e ju/ifi$ 9 call+ ,socrates ! fir/ utilit>ian2 z inde$ !re is no side or aspect ( philosophy :i* may n ) reason be ascrib$ to him--he is ,cynic & ,cyr5aic1 ,platoni/ & ,ari/otelian 9 "o4 ,b 9 ! ,pha$o ! ,socratic has already pass$ into a m ideal po9t ( view2 & he1 or r ,plato speak+ 9 8 p]son1 expressly repudiates ! notion t ! ex*ange ( a less pleasure = a great] c be an ex*ange ( virtue4 ,su* virtue is ! virtue ( ord9>y m5 :o live 9 ! _w ( appe>ance2 !y are temp]ate only t !y may enjoy ! pleasures ( intemp]ance1 & c\rage\s f fe> ( dang]4 ,:]eas ! philosoph] is seek+ aft] wisdom & n aft] pleasure1 :e!r ne> or di/ant3 he is ! my/ic1 ! initiat$1 :o has le>nt to despise ! body & is ye>n+ all 8 life long = a tru? :i* w h]eaft] be reveal$ to him4 ,9 ! ,republic ! pleasures ( k are affirm$ to be sup]ior to o!r pleasures1 because ! philosoph] s e/imates !m2 & he alone has _h exp]i5ce ( bo? k9ds4 7,comp>e a simil> argum5t urg$ by "o ( ! late/ def5d]s ( ,utilit>ianism1 ,mill's ,utilit>ianism74 ,9 ! ,philebus1 ,plato1 al?\gh he reg>ds ! enemies ( pleasure ) complac5cy1 /ill fur!r modifies ! transc5d5talism ( ! ,pha$o4 ,= he is compell$ to confess1 r reluctantly1 p]haps1 t "s pleasures1 i4e4 ^? :i* h no antec$5t pa9s1 claim a place 9 ! scale ( goods4 ,!re h be5 _m reasons :y n only ,plato b mank9d 9 g5]al h be5 unwill+ to ackn[l$ge t 'pleasure is ! *ief good4' ,ei!r !y h he>d a voice call+ to !m out ( ano!r _w2 or ! life & example ( "s great tea*] has ca/ _! ?\ghts ( "r & wrong 9 ano!r m\ld2 or ! ^w 'pleasure' has be5 associat$ 9 _! m9d ) m]ely animal enjoym5t4 ,!y c\ld n believe t :at !y 7 always /riv+ to ov]come1 & ! p[] or pr9ciple 9 !m :i* ov]came1 7 ( ! same nature4 ,! pleasure ( do+ good to o!rs & ( bodily self-indulg5ce1 ! pleasures ( intellect & ! pleasures ( s5se1 are s diff]5t3--,:y !n %\ld !y be call$ by a common "n8 ,or1 if ! equivocal or metaphorical use ( ! ^w is ju/ifi$ by cu/om 7l ! use ( o!r words :i* at fir/ ref]r$ only to ! body1 & !n by a figure h be5 transf]r$ to ! m9d71 /ill1 :y %\ld we make an ambigu\s ^w ! corn]-/one ( moral philosophy8 ,to ! high] ?9k] ! ,utilit>ian or h$oni/ mode ( speak+ has be5 at v>iance ) religion & ) any high] conception bo? ( politics & ( morals4 ,x has n satisfi$ _! imag9ation2 x has (f5d$ _! ta/e4 ,to elevate pleasure1 '! mo/ fleet+ ( all ?+s1' into a g5]al idea seems to su* m5 a contradiction4 ,!y d n desire to br+ d[n _! !ory to ! level ( _! practice4 ,! simplicity ( ! 'greate/ happ9ess' pr9ciple has be5 acceptable to philosoph]s1 b ! bett] "p ( ! _w has be5 sl[ to receive x4 ,be=e proce$+1 we may make a few admissions :i* w n>r[ ! field ( dispute2 & we may z well leave beh9d a few prejudices1 :i* intellig5t oppon5ts ( ,utilit>ianism h by ?is "t 'agre$ to disc>d'4 ,we admit t ,utility is coext5sive ) "r1 & t no action c be "r :i* does n t5d to ! happ9ess ( mank9d2 we ackn[l$ge t a l>ge class ( actions are made "r or wrong by _! consequ5ces only2 we say fur!r t mank9d are n too m9dful1 b t !y are f> too reg>dless ( consequ5ces1 & t !y ne$ to h ! doctr9e ( utility habitually inculcat$ on !m4 ,we recognize ! value ( a pr9ciple :i* c supply a connect+ l9k betwe5 ,e?ics & ,politics1 & "u :i* all human actions are or may be includ$4 ,! desire to promote happ9ess is no mean pref]5ce ( exp$i5cy to "r1 b "o ( ! highe/ & noble/ motives by :i* human nature c be animat$4 ,nei!r 9 ref]r+ actions to ! te/ ( utility h we to make a labori\s calculation1 any m ?an 9 try+ !m by o!r /&>ds ( morals4 ,= long ago !y h be5 classifi$ suffici5tly = all practical purposes by ! ?9k]1 by ! legislator1 by ! op9ion ( ! _w4 ,:atev] may be ! hypo!sis on :i* !y are expla9$1 or :i* 9 d\btful cases may be appli$ to ! regulation ( !m1 we are v r>ely1 if ev]1 call$ ^u at ! mom5t ( p]=m+ !m to det]m9e _! effect ^u ! happ9ess ( mank9d4 ,!re is a !ory :i* has be5 contra/$ ) ,utility by ,paley & o!rs--! !ory ( a moral s5se3 ,are our ideas ( "r & wrong innate or d]iv$ f exp]i5ce8 ,?is1 p]haps1 is ano!r ( ^? speculations :i* intellig5t m5 might 'agree to disc>d4' ,= x has be5 worn ?readb>e2 & ei!r alt]native is equally consi/5t ) a transc5d5tal or ) an eudaemoni/ic sy/em ( e?ics1 ) a greate/ happ9ess pr9ciple or ) ,kant's law ( duty4 ,yet to avoid misconception1 :at appe>s to be ! tru? ab\t ! orig9 ( our moral ideas may be %ortly summ$ up z foll[s3--,to ea* ( u individually our moral ideas come fir/ ( all 9 *ildhood ?r\gh ! m$ium ( education1 f p>5ts & tea*]s1 assi/$ by ! unconsci\s influ5ce ( language2 !y are impress$ ^u a m9d :i* at fir/ is l a wax5 tablet1 adapt$ to receive !m2 b !y soon become fix$ or set1 & 9 aft] life are /r5g!n$1 or p]haps weak5$ by ! =ce ( public op9ion4 ,!y may be correct$ & enl>g$ by exp]i5ce1 !y may be reason$ ab\t1 !y may be br\ght home to u by ! circum/ances ( our lives1 !y may be int5sifi$ by imag9ation1 by reflection1 by a c\rse ( action likely to confirm !m4 ,"u ! influ5ce ( religi\s feel+ or by an ef=t ( ?\ght1 any "o beg9n+ ) ! ord9>y rules ( morality may create out ( !m = himself ideals ( hol9ess & virtue4 ,!y slumb] 9 ! m9ds ( mo/ m51 yet 9 all ( u !re rema9s "s t9cture ( affection1 "s desire ( good1 "s s5se ( tru?1 "s fe> ( ! law4 ,( "s su* /ate or process ea* individual is consci\s 9 himself1 & if he comp>es 8 own exp]i5ce ) t ( o!rs he w f9d ! witness ( _! consci5ces to co9cide ) t ( 8 own4 ,all ( u h ent]$ into an inh]itance :i* we h ! p[] ( appropriat+ & mak+ use (4 ,no great ef=t ( m9d is requir$ on our "p2 we le>n morals1 z we le>n to talk1 in/9ctively1 f conv]s+ ) o!rs1 9 an enlight5$ age1 9 a civiliz$ c\ntry1 9 a good home4 ,a well-educat$ *ild ( t5 ye>s old already kn[s ! ess5tials ( morals3 ',?\ %alt n /eal1' '?\ %alt speak ! tru?1' '?\ %alt love ?y p>5ts1' '?\ %alt fe> ,god4' ,:at m does he want8 ,b :5ce comes ?is common inh]itance or /ock ( moral ideas8 ,_! beg9n+1 l all o!r beg9n+s ( human ?+s1 is obscure1 & is ! lea/ important "p ( !m4 ,imag9e1 if y w1 t ,society orig9at$ 9 ! h]d+ ( brutes1 9 _! p>5tal in/9cts1 9 _! rude attempts at self-pres]vation3--,man is n man 9 t he resembles1 b 9 t he diff]s f !m4 ,we mu/ pass into ano!r cycle ( exi/5ce1 be=e we c discov] 9 him by any evid5ce accessible to u ev5 ! g]ms ( our moral ideas4 ,9 ! hi/ory ( ! _w1 :i* view$ f )9 is ! hi/ory ( ! human m9d1 !y h be5 sl[ly creat$ by religion1 by poetry1 by law1 hav+ _! f\ndation 9 ! natural affections & 9 ! necessity ( "s degree ( tru? & ju/ice 9 a social /ate2 !y h be5 deep5$ & enl>g$ by ! ef=ts ( great ?9k]s :o h idealiz$ & connect$ !m--by ! lives ( sa9ts & prophets :o h taught & exemplifi$ !m4 ,! s*ools ( anci5t philosophy :i* seem s f> f u--,socrates1 ,plato1 ,ari/otle1 ! ,/oics1 ! ,epicureans1 & a few mod]n tea*]s1 su* z ,kant & ,b5?am1 h ea* ( !m suppli$ 'mom5ts' ( ?\ght to ! _w4 ,! life ( ,*ri/ has embodi$ a div9e love1 wisdom1 pati5ce1 reasonabl5ess4 ,= 8 image1 h[ev] imp]fectly h&$ d[n to u1 ! mod]n _w has receiv$ a /&>d m p]fect 9 idea ?an ! societies ( anci5t times1 b also fur!r remov$ f practice4 ,= !re is c]ta9ly a great] int]val betwe5 ! !ory & practice ( ,*ri/ians ?an betwe5 ! !ory & practice ( ! ,greeks & ,romans2 ! ideal is m above u1 & ! aspiration aft] good has (t5 l5t a /range p[] to evil4 ,& sometimes1 z at ! ,re=mation1 or ,fr5* ,revolution1 :5 ! upp] classes ( a s-call$ ,*ri/ian c\ntry h become corrupt$ by prie/craft1 by casui/ry1 by lic5ti\sness1 by despotism1 ! l[] h ris5 up & re-ass]t$ ! natural s5se ( religion & "r4 ,we may fur!r rem>k t our moral ideas1 z ! _w gr[s old]1 p]haps z we gr[ old] ourselves1 unless !y h be5 und]m9$ 9 u by false philosophy or ! practice ( m5tal analysis1 or infect$ by ! corruption ( society or by "s moral disord] 9 ! individual1 are con/antly assum+ a m natural & necess>y "*4 ,! habit ( ! m9d1 ! op9ion ( ! _w1 famili>izes !m to u2 & !y take m & m ! =m ( imm$iate intuition4 ,! moral s5se comes la/ & n fir/ 9 ! ord] ( _! developm5t1 & is ! in/9ct :i* we h inh]it$ or acquir$1 n ! nobl] ef=t ( reflection :i* creat$ !m & :i* keeps !m alive4 ,we d n /op to reason ab\t common hone/y4 ,:5ev] we are n bl9d$ by self-deceit1 z = example 9 judg+ ! actions ( o!rs1 we h no hesitation 9 det]m9+ :at is "r & wrong4 ,! pr9ciples ( morality1 :5 n at v>iance ) "s desire or worldly int]e/ ( our own1 or ) ! op9ion ( ! public1 are h>dly p]ceiv$ by u2 b 9 ! conflict ( reason & passion !y ass]t _! au?ority & are n ov]come )\t remorse4 ,su* is a brief outl9e ( ! hi/ory ( our moral ideas4 ,we h to di/+ui%1 fir/ ( all1 ! mann] 9 :i* !y h gr[n up 9 ! _w f ! mann] 9 :i* !y h be5 communicat$ to ea* ( u4 ,we may repres5t !m to ourselves z fl[+ out ( ! b\ndless ocean ( language & ?\ght 9 little rills1 :i* convey !m to ! he>t & bra9 ( ea* individual4 ,b nei!r mu/ we conf\nd ! !ories or aspects ( morality ) ! orig9 ( our moral ideas4 ,^! are n ! roots or 'orig9es' ( morals1 b ! late/ ef=ts ( reflection1 ! lights 9 :i* ! :ole moral _w has be5 reg>d$ by diff]5t ?9k]s & successive g5]ations ( m54 ,if we ask3 ,:i* ( ^! _m !ories is ! true "o8 we may answ]3 ,all ( !m--moral s5se1 innate ideas1 a priori1 a po/]iori notions1 ! philosophy ( exp]i5ce1 ! philosophy ( intuition--all ( !m h add$ some?+ to our conception ( ,e?ics2 no "o ( !m is ! :ole tru?4 ,b to decide h[ f> our ideas ( morality are d]iv$ f "o s\rce or ano!r2 to det]m9e :at hi/ory1 :at philosophy has contribut$ to !m2 to di/+ui% ! orig9al1 simple elem5ts f ! manifold & complex applications ( !m1 w\ld be a long enquiry too f> remov$ f ! "q :i* we are n[ pursu+4 ,be>+ 9 m9d ! di/9ction :i* we h be5 seek+ to e/abli% betwe5 our e>lie/ & our mo/ mature ideas ( morality1 we may n[ proce$ to /ate ! !ory ( ,utility1 n exactly 9 ! words1 b 9 ! _s ( "o ( its able/ & mo/ mod]ate support]s 7,mill's ,utilit>ianism73--',t :i* alone makes actions ei!r "r or desirable is _! utility1 or t5d5cy to promote ! happ9ess ( mank9d1 or1 9 o!r words1 to increase ! sum ( pleasure 9 ! _w4 ,b all pleasures are n ! same3 !y diff] 9 quality z well z 9 quantity1 & ! pleasure :i* is sup]ior 9 quality is incomm5surable ) ! inf]ior4 ,nei!r is ! pleasure or happ9ess1 :i* we seek1 our own pleasure1 b t ( o!rs1--( our family1 ( our c\ntry1 ( mank9d4 ,! desire ( ?is1 & ev5 ! sacrifice ( our own int]e/ to t ( o!r m51 may become a passion to a rightly educat$ nature4 ,! ,utilit>ian f9ds a place 9 8 sy/em = ?is virtue & = e o!r4' ,good or happ9ess or pleasure is ?us reg>d$ z ! true & only end ( human life4 ,to ?is all our desires w be f\nd to t5d1 & 9 accordance ) ?is all ! virtues1 includ+ ju/ice1 may be expla9$4 ,admitt+ t m5 re/ = a "t 9 inf]ior ends1 & d n ca/ _! eyes beyond !m1 ^! ends are really dep5d5t on ! great] end ( happ9ess1 & w\ld n be pursu$1 unless 9 g5]al !y _h be5 f\nd to lead to x4 ,! exi/5ce ( su* an end is prov$1 z 9 ,ari/otle's "t1 s 9 our own1 by ! univ]sal fact t m5 desire x4 ,! obligation to promote x is bas$ ^u ! social nature ( man2 ?is s5se ( duty is %>$ by all ( u 9 "s degree1 & is capable ( be+ greatly fo/]$ & /r5g!n$4 ,s f> f be+ inconsi/5t ) religion1 ! greate/ happ9ess pr9ciple is 9 ! highe/ degree agreeable to x4 ,= :at c be m reasonable ?an t ,god %\ld w ! happ9ess ( all 8 creatures8 & 9 work+ out _! happ9ess we may be said to be 'work+ toge!r ) him4' ,nor is x inconceivable t a new en?usiasm ( ! future1 f> /rong] ?an any old religion1 may be bas$ ^u su* a conception4 ,b !n = ! famili> phrase ( ! 'greate/ happ9ess pr9ciple1' x seems z if we ought n[ to read '! noble/ happ9ess pr9ciple1' '! happ9ess ( o!rs pr9ciple'--! pr9ciple n ( ! greate/1 b ( ! highe/ pleasure1 pursu$ ) no m reg>d to our own imm$iate int]e/ ?an is requir$ by ! law ( self-pres]vation4 ,transf] ! ?\ght ( happ9ess to ano!r life1 dropp+ ! ext]nal circum/ances :i* =m s l>ge a "p ( our idea ( happ9ess 9 ?is1 & ! mean+ ( ! ^w becomes indi/+ui%able f hol9ess1 h>mony1 wisdom1 love4 ,by ! slight addition '( o!rs1' all ! associations ( ! ^w are alt]$2 we seem to h pass$ ov] f "o !ory ( morals to ! opposite4 ,= all[+ t ! happ9ess ( o!rs is reflect$ on ourselves1 & also t e man mu/ live be=e he c d good to o!rs1 /ill ! la/ limitation is a v trifl+ exception1 & ! happ9ess ( ano!r is v f> f comp5sat+ = ! loss ( our own4 ,accord+ to ,mr4 ,mill1 he w\ld be/ c>ry out ! pr9ciple ( utility :o sacrific$ 8 own pleasure mo/ to t ( 8 fell[-m54 ,b if s1 ,hobbes & ,butl]1 ,%aftesbury & ,hume1 are n s f> ap>t z !y & _! foll[]s imag9e4 ,! ?\ght ( self & ! ?\ght ( o!rs are alike sup]s$$ 9 ! m g5]al notion ( ! happ9ess ( mank9d at l>ge4 ,b 9 ?is composite good1 until society becomes p]fect$1 ! fri5d ( man himself has g5]ally ! lea/ %>e1 & may be a great suff]]4 ,& n[ :at objection h we to urge aga9/ a sy/em ( moral philosophy s b5efic5t1 s enlight5$1 s ideal1 & at ! same "t s practical1--s ,*ri/ian1 z we may say )\t exagg]ation1--& :i* has ! fur!r advantage ( re/+ morality on a pr9ciple intelligible to all capacities8 ,h we n f\nd t :i* ,socrates & ,plato 'grew old 9 seek+'8 ,are we n desir\s ( happ9ess1 at any rate = ourselves & our fri5ds1 if n = all mank9d8 ,if1 z is natural1 we beg9 by ?9k+ ( ourselves fir/1 we are easily l$ on to ?9k ( o!rs2 = we _c help ackn[l$g+ t :at is "r = u is ! "r & inh]itance ( o!rs4 ,we feel ! advantage ( an ab/ract pr9ciple wide en\gh & /rong en\gh to ov]ride all ! p>ticul>isms ( mank9d2 :i* ackn[l$ges a univ]sal good1 tru?1 "r2 :i* is capable ( inspir+ m5 l a passion1 & is ! symbol ( a cause = :i* !y are ready to cont5d to _! life's end4 ,& if we te/ ?is pr9ciple by ! lives ( its pr(essors1 x w\ld c]ta9ly appe> inf]ior to none z a rule ( action4 ,f ! days ( ,eudoxus 7,ari/4 ,e?ics7 & ,epicurus to our own1 ! vot>ies ( pleasure h ga9$ belief = _! pr9ciples by _! practice4 ,two ( ! noble/ & mo/ dis9t]e/$ m5 :o h liv$ 9 ?is c5tury1 ,b5?am & ,j4 ,s4 ,mill1 ^: lives 7 a long devotion to ! s]vice ( _! fell[s1 h be5 among ! mo/ en?usia/ic support]s ( utility2 :ile among _! contempor>ies1 "s :o 7 ( a m my/ical turn ( m9d1 h end$ r 9 aspiration ?an 9 action1 & h be5 f\nd unequal to ! duties ( life4 ,look+ back on !m n[ t !y are remov$ f ! sc5e1 we feel t mank9d has be5 ! bett] = !m4 ,! _w 0 aga9/ !m :ile !y liv$2 b ?is is r a reason = admir+ ?an = depreciat+ !m4 ,nor c any "o d\bt t ! influ5ce ( _! philosophy on politics--especially on =eign politics1 on law1 on social life1 has be5 ^u ! :ole b5eficial4 ,nev]!less1 !y w nev] h ju/ice done to !m1 = !y d n agree ei!r ) ! bett] feel+ ( ! multitude or ) ! idealism ( m ref9$ ?9k]s4 ,)\t ,b5?am1 a great ^w 9 ! hi/ory ( philosophy w\ld h rema9$ unspok54 ,yet to ?is day x is r>e to he> 8 "n receiv$ ) any m>k ( respect su* z w\ld be freely grant$ to ! ambigu\s memory ( "s fa!r ( ! ,*ur*4 ,! odium :i* atta*$ to him :5 alive has n be5 remov$ by 8 dea?4 ,= he %ock$ 8 contempor>ies by egotism & want ( ta/e2 & ?is g5]ation :i* has reap$ ! b5efit ( 8 lab\rs has inh]it$ ! feel+ ( ! la/4 ,he 0 be=e 8 own age1 & is h>dly rememb]$ 9 ?is4 ,:ile ackn[l$g+ ! b5efits :i* ! greate/ happ9ess pr9ciple has conf]r$ ^u mank9d1 ! "t appe>s to h arriv$1 n = d5y+ its claims1 b = criticiz+ !m & comp>+ !m ) o!r pr9ciples :i* equally claim to lie at ! f\ndation ( e?ics4 ,any "o :o adds a g5]al pr9ciple to k has be5 a b5efactor to ! _w4 ,b !re is a dang] t1 9 8 fir/ en?usiasm1 he may n recognize ! proportions or limitations to :i* 8 tru? is subject$2 he does n see h[ f> he has giv5 bir? to a truism1 or h[ t :i* is a tru? to him is a truism to ! re/ ( ! _w2 or may deg5]ate 9 ! next g5]ation4 ,he believes t to be ! :ole :i* is only a "p1--to be ! necess>y f\ndation :i* is really only a valuable aspect ( ! tru?4 ,! sy/ems ( all philosoph]s require ! criticism ( '! morr[1' :5 ! heat ( imag9ation :i* =g$ !m has cool$1 & !y are se5 9 ! temp]ate light ( day4 ,all ( !m h contribut$ to enri* ! m9d ( ! civiliz$ _w2 none ( !m occupy t supreme or exclusive place :i* _! au?ors w\ld h assign$ to !m4 ,we may preface ! criticism ) a few prelim9>y rem>ks3-- ,mr4 ,mill1 ,mr4 ,au/91 & o!rs1 9 _! eag]ness to ma9ta9 ! doctr9e ( utility1 are fond ( repeat+ t we are 9 a lam5table /ate ( unc]ta9ty ab\t morals4 ,:ile o!r bran*es ( k h made extraord9>y progress1 9 moral philosophy we are suppos$ by !m to be no bett] ?an *ildr51 & ) few exceptions--t is to say1 ,b5?am & 8 foll[]s--to be no fur!r advanc$ ?an m5 7 9 ! age ( ,socrates & ,plato1 :o1 9 _! turn1 are deem$ to be z backw>d 9 e?ics z !y necess>ily 7 9 physics4 ,b ?is1 ?\gh (t5 ass]t$1 is recant$ almo/ 9 a brea? by ! same writ]s :o speak ?us depreciat+ly ( our mod]n e?ical philosophy4 ,= !y are ! fir/ to ackn[l$ge t we h n n[ to beg9 classify+ actions "u ! head ( utility2 !y w\ld n d5y t ab\t ! g5]al conceptions ( morals !re is a practical agreem5t4 ,!re is no m d\bt t falsehood is wrong ?an t a /one falls to ! gr\nd1 al?\gh ! fir/ does n admit ( ! same ocul> pro( z ! second4 ,!re is no great] unc]ta9ty ab\t ! duty ( ob$i5ce to p>5ts & to ! law ( ! l& ?an ab\t ! prop]ties ( triangles4 ,unless we are look+ = a new moral _w :i* has no m>ry+ & giv+ 9 m>riage1 !re is no great] disagreem5t 9 !ory ab\t ! "r relations ( ! sexes ?an ab\t ! composition ( wat]4 ,^! & a few o!r simple pr9ciples1 z !y h endless applications 9 practice1 s also may be develop$ 9 !ory into c\nsels ( p]fection4 ,to :at !n is to be attribut$ ?is op9ion :i* has be5 (t5 ent]ta9$ ab\t ! unc]ta9ty ( morals8 ,*iefly to ?is1--t philosoph]s h n always di/+ui%$ ! !oretical & ! casui/ical unc]ta9ty ( morals f ! practical c]ta9ty4 ,!re is an unc]ta9ty ab\t details1--:e!r1 = example1 "u giv5 circum/ances su* & su* a moral pr9ciple is to be en=c$1 or :e!r 9 "s cases !re may n be a conflict ( duties3 ^! are ! exceptions to ! ord9>y rules ( morality1 important1 inde$1 b n ext5d+ to ! "o ?\s&? or "o t5-?\s&? "p ( human actions4 ,?is is ! doma9 ( casui/ry4 ,secondly1 ! aspects "u :i* ! mo/ g5]al pr9ciples ( morals may be pres5t$ to u are _m & v>i\s4 ,! m9d ( man has be5 m ?an usually active 9 ?9k+ ab\t man4 ,! conceptions ( h>mony1 happ9ess1 "r1 fre$om1 b5evol5ce1 self-love1 h all ( !m seem$ to "s philosoph] or o!r ! true/ & mo/ compreh5sive expression ( morality4 ,!re is no diff]5ce1 or at any rate no great diff]5ce1 ( op9ion ab\t ! "r & wrong ( actions1 b only ab\t ! g5]al notion :i* furni%es ! be/ explanation or gives ! mo/ compreh5sive view ( !m4 ,?is1 9 ! language ( ,kant1 is ! sph]e ( ! metaphysic ( e?ics4 ,b ^! two unc]ta9ties at ei!r end1 en tois mali/a ka?ol\ & en tois ka? eka/a1 leave space en\gh = an int]m$iate pr9ciple :i* is practically c]ta94 ,! rule ( human life is n dep5d5t on ! !ories ( philosoph]s3 we "k :at our duties are = ! mo/ "p be=e we speculate ab\t !m4 ,& ! use ( speculation is n to tea* u :at we already "k1 b to inspire 9 our m9ds an int]e/ ab\t morals 9 g5]al1 to /r5g!n our conception ( ! virtues by %[+ t !y confirm "o ano!r1 to prove to u1 z ,socrates w\ld h said1 t !y are n _m1 b "o4 ,!re is ! same k9d ( pleasure & use 9 r$uc+ morals1 z 9 r$uc+ physics1 to a few v simple tru?s4 ,& n unfrequ5tly ! m g5]al pr9ciple may correct prejudices & misconceptions1 & enable u to reg>d our fell[-m5 9 a l>g] & m g5]\s _s4 ,! two qualities :i* seem to be mo/ requir$ 9 fir/ pr9ciples ( e?ics are1 7#a7 t !y %\ld af=d a real explanation ( ! facts1 7#b7 t !y %\ld inspire ! m9d1--%\ld h>monize1 /r5g!n1 settle u4 ,we c h>dly e/imate ! influ5ce :i* a simple pr9ciple su* z ',act s z to promote ! happ9ess ( mank9d1' or ',act s t ! rule on :i* ?\ acte/ may be adopt$ z a law by all rational be+s1' may ex]cise on ! m9d ( an individual4 ,!y w (t5 seem to op5 a new _w to him1 l ! religi\s conceptions ( fai? or ! _s ( ,god4 ,! difficulties ( e?ics disappe> :5 we d n suff] ourselves to be di/ract$ betwe5 diff]5t po9ts ( view4 ,b to ma9ta9 _! hold on u1 ! g5]al pr9ciples mu/ also be psy*ologically true--!y mu/ agree ) our exp]i5ce1 !y mu/ accord ) ! habits ( our m9ds4 ,:5 we are told t actions are "r or wrong only 9 s f> z !y t5d t[>ds happ9ess1 we naturally ask :at is meant by 'happ9ess4' ,= ! t]m 9 ! common use ( language is only to a c]ta9 ext5t comm5surate ) moral good & evil4 ,we %\ld h>dly say t a good man c\ld be utt]ly mis]able 7,ari/4 ,e?ics71 or place a bad man 9 ! fir/ rank ( happ9ess4 ,b yet1 f v>i\s circum/ances1 ! measure ( a man's happ9ess may be out ( all proportion to 8 des]t4 ,& if we insi/ on call+ ! good man alone happy1 we %all be us+ ! t]m 9 "s new & transc5d5tal s5se1 z synonym\s ) well-be+4 ,we h already se5 t happ9ess includes ! happ9ess ( o!rs z well z our own2 we mu/ n[ compreh5d unconsci\s z well z consci\s happ9ess "u ! same ^w4 ,!re is no h>m 9 ?is ext5sion ( ! mean+1 b a ^w :i* admits ( su* an ext5sion c h>dly be made ! basis ( a philosophical sy/em4 ,! exactness :i* is requir$ 9 philosophy w n all[ u to compreh5d "u ! same t]m two ideas s diff]5t z ! subjective feel+ ( pleasure or happ9ess & ! objective reality ( a /ate :i* receives our moral approval4 ,l ,prot>*us 9 ! ,philebus1 we c give no answ] to ! "q1 ',:at is t common quality :i* 9 all /ates ( human life we call happ9ess8 :i* includes ! l[] & ! high] k9d ( happ9ess1 & is ! aim ( ! noble/1 z well z ( ! meane/ ( mank9d8' ,if we say ',n pleasure1 n virtue1 n wisdom1 nor yet any quality :i* we c ab/ract f ^!'--:at !n8 ,aft] seem+ to hov] = a "t on ! v]ge ( a great tru?1 we h ga9$ only a truism4 ,let u ask ! "q 9 ano!r =m4 ,:at is t :i* con/itutes happ9ess1 ov] & above ! sev]al +r$i5ts ( heal?1 weal?1 pleasure1 virtue1 k1 :i* are includ$ "u x8 ,p]haps we answ]1 ',! subjective feel+ ( !m4' ,b ?is is v f> f be+ coext5sive ) "r4 ,or we may reply t happ9ess is ! :ole ( :i* ! above-m5tion$ are ! p>ts4 ,/ill ! "q recurs1 ',9 :at does ! :ole diff] f all ! p>ts8' ,& if we are unable to di/+ui% !m1 happ9ess w be ! m]e aggregate ( ! goods ( life4 ,aga91 :ile admitt+ t 9 all "r action !re is an elem5t ( happ9ess1 we _c help see+ t ! utilit>ian !ory supplies a mu* easi] explanation ( "s virtues ?an ( o!rs4 ,( _m patriotic or b5evol5t actions we c give a /raight=w>d acc\nt by _! t5d5cy to promote happ9ess4 ,= ! explanation ( ju/ice1 on ! o!r h&1 we h to g a long way r\nd4 ,no man is indignant ) a ?ief because he has n promot$ ! greate/ happ9ess ( ! greate/ numb]1 b because he has done him a wrong4 ,!re is an immeasurable int]val betwe5 a crime aga9/ prop]ty or life1 & ! omission ( an act ( *>ity or b5evol5ce4 ,yet ( ?is int]val ! utilit>ian !ory takes no cognizance4 ,! greate/ happ9ess pr9ciple /r5g!ns our s5se ( positive duties t[>ds o!rs1 b weak5s our recognition ( _! rights4 ,to promote 9 e way possible ! happ9ess ( o!rs may be a c\nsel ( p]fection1 b h>dly seems to (f] any gr\nd = a !ory ( obligation4 ,= admitt+ t our ideas ( obligation are p>tly d]iv$ f religion & cu/om1 yet !y seem also to conta9 o!r ess5tial elem5ts :i* _c be expla9$ by ! t5d5cy ( actions to promote happ9ess4 ,:5ce comes ! necessity ( !m8 ,:y are "s actions r ?an o!rs :i* equally t5d to ! happ9ess ( mank9d impos$ ^u u ) ! au?ority ( law8 ',y ought' & 'y _h bett]' are fundam5tal di/9ctions 9 human ?\ght2 & hav+ su* di/9ctions1 :y %\ld we seek to efface & unsettle !m8 ,b5?am & ,mr4 ,mill are e>ne/ 9 ma9ta9+ t happ9ess includes ! happ9ess ( o!rs z well z ( ourselves4 ,b :at two notions c be m oppos$ 9 _m cases ?an ^!8 ,grant+ t 9 a p]fect /ate ( ! _w my own happ9ess & t ( all o!r m5 w\ld co9cide1 9 ! imp]fect /ate !y (t5 div]ge1 & ,i _c truly bridge ov] ! difficulty by say+ t m5 w always f9d pleasure 9 sacrific+ !mselves or 9 suff]+ = o!rs4 ,^u ! greate/ happ9ess pr9ciple x is admitt$ t ,i am to h a %>e1 & 9 consi/5cy ,i %\ld pursue my own happ9ess z imp>tially z t ( my neighb\r4 ,b :o c decide :at proportion %\ld be m9e & :at 81 except on ! pr9ciple t ,i am mo/ likely to be deceiv$ 9 my own fav\r1 & _h !re=e bett] give ! l>g] %>e1 if n all1 to him8 ,fur!r1 x is admitt$ t utility & "r co9cide1 n 9 p>ticul> in/ances1 b 9 classes ( actions4 ,b is x n di/ract+ to ! consci5ce ( a man to be told t 9 ! p>ticul> case !y are oppos$8 ,happ9ess is said to be ! gr\nd ( moral obligation1 yet he mu/ n d :at cle>ly conduces to 8 own happ9ess if x is at v>iance ) ! good ( ! :ole4 ,nay1 fur!r1 he w be taught t :5 utility & "r are 9 app>5t conflict any am\nt ( utility does n alt] by a hair's-bread? ! morality ( actions1 :i* _c be all[$ to deviate f e/abli%$ law or usage2 & t ! non-detection ( an immoral act1 say ( tell+ a lie1 :i* may (t5 make ! greate/ diff]5ce 9 ! consequ5ces1 n only to himself1 b to all ! _w1 makes none :atev] 9 ! act itself4 ,aga91 if we are conc]n$ n ) p>ticul> actions b ) classes ( actions1 is ! t5d5cy ( actions to happ9ess a pr9ciple ^u :i* we c classify !m8 ,!re is a univ]sal law :i* imp]atively decl>es c]ta9 acts to be "r or wrong3--c !re be any univ]sality 9 ! law :i* measures actions by _! t5d5cies t[>ds happ9ess8 ,= an act :i* is ! cause ( happ9ess to "o p]son may be ! cause ( unhapp9ess to ano!r2 or an act :i* if p]=m$ by "o p]son may increase ! happ9ess ( mank9d may h ! opposite effect if p]=m$ by ano!r4 ,"r c nev] be wrong1 or wrong "r1 t !re are no actions :i* t5d to ! happ9ess ( mank9d :i* may n "u o!r circum/ances t5d to _! unhapp9ess4 ,unless we say n only t all "r actions t5d to happ9ess1 b t !y t5d to happ9ess 9 ! same degree 9 :i* !y are "r 7& 9 t case ! ^w '"r' is pla9]71 we weak5 ! absolut5ess ( our moral /&>d2 we r$uce diff]5ces 9 k9d to diff]5ces 9 degree2 we oblit]ate ! /amp :i* ! au?ority ( ages has set ^u vice & crime4 ,once m3 turn+ f !ory to practice we feel ! importance ( reta9+ ! receiv$ di/9ctions ( morality4 ,words su* z tru?1 ju/ice1 hone/y1 virtue1 love1 h a simple mean+2 !y h become sacr$ to u1--'! ^w ( ,god' writt5 on ! human he>t3 to no o!r words c ! same associations be atta*$4 ,we _c expla9 !m adequately on pr9ciples ( utility2 9 attempt+ to d s we rob !m ( _! true "*4 ,we give !m a mean+ (t5 p>adoxical & di/ort$1 & g5]ally weak] ?an _! signification 9 common language4 ,& z words influ5ce m5's ?\ghts1 we fe> t ! hold ( morality may also be weak5$1 & ! s5se ( duty impair$1 if virtue & vice are expla9$ only z ! qualities :i* d or d n contribute to ! pleasure ( ! _w4 ,9 t v expression we seem to detect a false r+1 = pleasure is individual n univ]sal2 we speak ( et]nal & immutable ju/ice1 b n ( et]nal & immutable pleasure2 nor by any ref9em5t c we avoid "s ta9t ( bodily s5se adh]+ to ! mean+ ( ! ^w4 ,aga93 ! high] ! view :i* m5 take ( life1 ! m !y lose sight ( _! own pleasure or int]e/4 ,true religion is n work+ = a rew>d only1 b is ready to "w equally )\t a rew>d4 ,x is n 'do+ ! w ( ,god = ! sake ( et]nal happ9ess1' b do+ ! w ( ,god because x is be/1 :e!r rew>d$ or unrew>d$4 ,& ?is applies to o!rs z well z to ourselves4 ,= he :o sacrifices himself = ! good ( o!rs1 does n sacrifice himself t !y may be sav$ f ! p]secution :i* he endures = _! sakes1 b r t !y 9 _! turn may be able to und]go simil> suff]+s1 & l him /& fa/ 9 ! tru?4 ,to promote _! happ9ess is n 8 fir/ object1 b to elevate _! moral nature4 ,bo? 9 8 own case & t ( o!rs !re may be happ9ess 9 ! di/ance1 b if !re 7 no happ9ess he w\ld equally act z he does4 ,we are speak+ ( ! highe/ & noble/ natures2 & a pass+ ?\ght naturally arises 9 our m9ds1 ',:e!r t c be ! fir/ pr9ciple ( morals :i* is h>dly reg>d$ 9 _! own case by ! greate/ b5efactors ( mank9d8' ,! admissions t pleasures diff] 9 k9d1 & t actions are already classifi$2 ! ackn[l$gm5t t happ9ess includes ! happ9ess ( o!rs1 z well z ( ourselves2 ! confusion 7n made by ,ari/otle7 betwe5 consci\s & unconsci\s happ9ess1 or betwe5 happ9ess ! en]gy & happ9ess ! result ( ! en]gy1 introduce unc]ta9ty & inconsi/5cy into ! :ole enquiry4 ,we reason readily & *e]fully f a greate/ happ9ess pr9ciple4 ,b we f9d t utilit>ians d n agree among !mselves ab\t ! mean+ ( ! ^w4 ,/ill less c !y imp>t to o!rs a common conception or conviction ( ! nature ( happ9ess4 ,! mean+ ( ! ^w is always ins5sibly slipp+ away f u1 into pleasure1 out ( pleasure1 n[ appe>+ z ! motive1 n[ z ! te/ ( actions1 & sometimes v>y+ 9 successive s5t5ces4 ,& z 9 a ma!matical demon/ration an error 9 ! orig9al numb] di/urbs ! :ole calculation :i* foll[s1 ?is fundam5tal unc]ta9ty ab\t ! ^w vitiates all ! applications ( x4 ,mu/ we n admit t a notion s unc]ta9 9 mean+1 s void ( cont5t1 s at v>iance ) common language & op9ion1 does n comply adequately ) ei!r ( our two requirem5ts8 ,x c nei!r /rike ! imag9ative faculty1 nor give an explanation ( ph5om5a :i* is 9 accordance ) our individual exp]i5ce4 ,x is indef9ite2 x supplies only a p>tial acc\nt ( human actions3 x is "o among _m !ories ( philosoph]s4 ,x may be comp>$ ) o!r notions1 su* z ! *ief good ( ,plato1 :i* may be be/ express$ to u "u ! =m ( a h>mony1 or ) ,kant's ob$i5ce to law1 :i* may be summ$ up "u ! ^w 'duty1' or ) ! ,/oical ',foll[ nature1' & seems to h no advantage ov] !m4 ,all ( ^! pres5t a c]ta9 aspect ( moral tru?4 ,none ( !m are1 or inde$ pr(ess to be1 ! only pr9ciple ( morals4 ,& ?is br+s u to speak ( ! mo/ s]i\s objection to ! utilit>ian sy/em--its exclusiv5ess4 ,!re is no place = ,kant or ,hegel1 = ,plato & ,ari/otle alongside ( x4 ,!y d n reject ! greate/ happ9ess pr9ciple1 b x rejects !m4 ,n[ ! ph5om5a ( moral action diff]1 & "s are be/ expla9$ ^u "o pr9ciple & "s ^u ano!r3 ! virtue ( ju/ice seems to be naturally connect$ ) "o !ory ( morals1 ! virtues ( temp]ance & b5evol5ce ) ano!r4 ,! *>act]s ( m5 also diff]2 & "s are m attract$ by "o aspect ( ! tru?1 "s by ano!r4 ,! firm /oical nature w conceive virtue "u ! conception ( law1 ! philan?ropi/ "u t ( do+ good1 ! quieti/ "u t ( resignation1 ! en?usia/ "u t ( fai? or love4 ,! upright man ( ! _w w desire above all ?+s t morality %\ld be pla9 & fix$1 & %\ld use language 9 its ord9>y s5se4 ,p]sons ( an imag9ative temp]am5t w g5]ally be dissatisfi$ ) ! words 'utility' or 'pleasure'3 _! pr9ciple ( "r is ( a f> high] "*--:at or :]e to be f\nd !y _c always di/9ctly tell2--d$uc$ f ! laws ( human nature1 says "o2 re/+ on ! w ( ,god1 says ano!r2 bas$ ^u "s transc5d5tal idea :i* animates m worlds ?an "o1 says a ?ird3 on nomoi proke9tai upsipodes1 ouranian di ai!ra tekno!ntes4 ,to satisfy an imag9ative nature 9 any degree1 ! doctr9e ( utility mu/ be s transfigur$ t x becomes altoge!r diff]5t & loses all simplicity4 ,b :y1 s9ce !re are diff]5t *>act]s among m51 %\ld we n all[ !m to envisage morality accord+ly1 & be ?ankful to ! great m5 :o h provid$ = all ( u modes & in/rum5ts ( ?\ght8 ,w\ld ! _w h be5 bett] if !re _h be5 no ,/oics or ,kanti/s1 no ,platoni/s or ,c>tesians8 ,no m ?an if ! o!r pole ( moral philosophy _h be5 exclud$4 ,all m5 h pr9ciples :i* are above _! practice2 !y admit premises :i*1 if c>ri$ to _! conclusions1 are a suffici5t basis ( morals4 ,9 ass]t+ lib]ty ( speculation we are n enc\rag+ individuals to make "r or wrong = !mselves1 b only conc$+ t !y may *oose ! =m "u :i* !y pref] to contemplate !m4 ,nor d we say t "o ( ^! aspects is z true & good z ano!r2 b t !y all ( !m1 if !y are n m]e sophisms & illusions1 def9e & br+ into relief "s "p ( ! tru? :i* w\ld h be5 obscure )\t _! light4 ,:y %\ld we endeav\r to b9d all m5 )9 ! limits ( a s+le metaphysical conception8 ,! necess>y imp]fection ( language seems to require t we %\ld view ! same tru? "u m ?an "o aspect4 ,we are liv+ 9 ! second age ( utilit>ianism1 :5 ! *>m ( novelty & ! f]v\r ( ! fir/ disciples has pass$ away4 ,! doctr9e is no long] /at$ 9 ! =cible p>adoxical mann] ( ,b5?am1 b has to be adapt$ to meet objections2 its corn]s are rubb$ (f1 & ! mean+ ( its mo/ *>act]i/ic expressions is s(t5$4 ,! array ( ! enemy melts away :5 we approa* him4 ,! greate/ happ9ess ( ! greate/ numb] 0 a great orig9al idea :5 enunciat$ by ,b5?am1 :i* leav5$ a g5]ation & has left its m>k on ?\ght & civilization 9 all succe$+ times4 ,8 grasp ( x _h ! int5sity ( g5ius4 ,9 ! _s ( an anci5t philosoph] he w\ld h d5i$ t pleasures diff]$ 9 k9d1 or t by happ9ess he meant any?+ b pleasure4 ,he w\ld p]haps h revolt$ u by 8 ?or\ghness4 ,! 'gu>dian%ip ( 8 doctr9e' has pass$ into o!r h&s2 & n[ we seem to see its weak po9ts1 its ambiguities1 its want ( exactness :ile assum+ ! highe/ exactness1 its "o-sid$ness1 its p>adoxical explanation ( sev]al ( ! virtues4 ,no philosophy has ev] /ood ?is criticism ( ! next g5]ation1 ?\gh ! f\nd]s ( all ( !m h imag9$ t !y 7 built ^u a rock4 ,& ! utilit>ian sy/em1 l o!rs1 has yield$ to ! inevitable analysis4 ,ev5 9 ! op9ion ( 'h] admir]s %e has be5 t]ribly damag$' 7,phil471 & is no long] ! only moral philosophy1 b "o among _m :i* h contribut$ 9 v>i\s degrees to ! intellectual progress ( mank9d4 ,b because ! utilit>ian philosophy c no long] claim '! prize1' we mu/ n refuse to ackn[l$ge ! great b5efits conf]r$ by x on ! _w4 ,all philosophies are refut$ 9 _! turn1 says ! sceptic1 & he looks =w>d to all future sy/ems %>+ ! fate ( ! pa/4 ,all philosophies rema91 says ! ?9k]2 !y h done a great "w 9 _! own day1 & !y supply po/]ity ) aspects ( ! tru? & ) in/rum5ts ( ?\ght4 ,?\gh !y may be %orn ( _! glory1 !y reta9 _! place 9 ! organism ( k4 ,& /ill !re rema9 _m rules ( morals :i* are bett] expla9$ & m =cibly inculcat$ on ! pr9ciple ( utility ?an on any o!r4 ,! "q ,w su* & su* an action promote ! happ9ess ( myself1 my family1 my c\ntry1 ! _w8 may *eck ! ris+ feel+ ( pride or hon\r :i* w\ld cause a qu>rel1 an e/rangem5t1 a w>4 ',h[ c ,i contribute to ! greate/ happ9ess ( o!rs8' is ano!r =m ( ! "q :i* w be m attractive to ! m9ds ( _m ?an a d$uction ( ! duty ( b5evol5ce f a priori pr9ciples4 ,9 politics especially h>dly any o!r argum5t c be all[$ to h weight except ! happ9ess ( a p4 ,all p>ties alike pr(ess to aim at ?is1 :i* ?\gh (t5 us$ only z ! disguise ( self-int]e/ has a great & real influ5ce on ! m9ds ( /atesm54 ,9 religion1 aga91 no?+ c m t5d to mitigate sup]/ition ?an ! belief t ! good ( man is also ! w ( ,god4 ,?is is an easy te/ to :i* ! prejudices & sup]/itions ( m5 may be br\ght3--:atev] does n t5d to ! good ( m5 is n ( ,god4 ,& ! ideal ( ! greate/ happ9ess ( mank9d1 especially if believ$ to be ! w ( ,god1 :5 comp>$ ) ! actual fact1 w be "o ( ! /ronge/ motives to d good to o!rs4 ,on ! o!r h&1 :5 ! temptation is to speak falsely1 to be di%one/ or unju/1 or 9 any way to int]f]e ) ! rights ( o!rs1 ! argum5t t ^! actions reg>d$ z a class w n conduce to ! happ9ess ( mank9d1 ?\gh true en\gh1 seems to h less =ce ?an ! feel+ :i* is already implant$ 9 ! m9d by consci5ce & au?ority4 ,to resolve ?is feel+ into ! greate/ happ9ess pr9ciple takes away f its sacr$ & au?oritative "*4 ,! m>tyr w n g to ! /ake 9 ord] t he may promote ! happ9ess ( mank9d1 b = ! sake ( ! tru?3 nei!r w ! soldi] advance to ! cannon's m\? m]ely because he believes milit>y discipl9e to be = ! good ( mank9d4 ,x is bett] = him to "k t he w be %ot1 t he w be disgrac$1 if he runs away--he has no ne$ to look beyond milit>y hon\r1 patriotism1 ',engl& expects e man to d 8 duty4' ,^! are /rong] motives ?an ! greate/ happ9ess ( ! greate/ numb]1 :i* is ! !sis ( a philosoph]1 n ! wat*word ( an army4 ,= 9 human actions m5 d n always require broad pr9ciples2 duties (t5 come home to u m :5 !y are limit$ & def9$1 & sanction$ by cu/om & public op9ion4 ,la/ly1 if we turn to ! hi/ory ( e?ics1 we %all f9d t our moral ideas h orig9at$ n 9 utility b 9 religion1 9 law1 9 conceptions ( nature1 ( an ideal good1 & ! l4 ,& _m may be incl9$ to ?9k t ?is conclusively disproves ! claim ( utility to be ! basis ( morals4 ,b ! utilit>ian w fairly reply 7see above7 t we mu/ di/+ui% ! orig9 ( e?ics f ! pr9ciples ( !m--! hi/orical g]m f ! lat] gr[? ( reflection4 ,& he may also truly add t = two ?\s& ye>s & m1 utility1 if n ! orig9at+1 has be5 ! great corrective pr9ciple 9 law1 9 politics1 9 religion1 lead+ m5 to ask h[ evil may be dim9i%$ & good increas$--by :at c\rse ( policy ! public int]e/ may be promot$1 & to und]/& t ,god wills ! happ9ess1 n ( "s ( 8 creatures & 9 ?is _w only1 b ( all ( !m & 9 e /age ( _! exi/5ce4 ',:at is ! place ( happ9ess or utility 9 a sy/em ( moral philosophy8' is analog\s to ! "q ask$ 9 ! ,philebus1 ',:at rank does pleasure hold 9 ! scale ( goods8' ,admitt+ ! greate/ happ9ess pr9ciple to be true & valuable1 & ! necess>y f\ndation ( t "p ( morals :i* relates to ! consequ5ces ( actions1 we /ill h to consid] :e!r ?is or "s o!r g5]al notion is ! highe/ pr9ciple ( human life4 ,we may try !m 9 ?is comp>ison by ?ree te/s--def9it5ess1 compreh5siv5ess1 & motive p[]4 ,!re are ?ree subjective pr9ciples ( morals1--sympa?y1 b5evol5ce1 self-love4 ,b sympa?y seems to re/ morality on feel+s :i* diff] widely ev5 9 good m52 b5evol5ce & self-love torture "o half ( our virtu\s actions into ! lik5ess ( ! o!r4 ,! greate/ happ9ess pr9ciple1 :i* includes bo?1 has ! advantage ov] all ^! 9 compreh5siv5ess1 b ! advantage is pur*as$ at ! exp5se ( def9it5ess4 ,aga91 !re are ! legal & political pr9ciples ( morals--fre$om1 equality1 rights ( p]sons2 ',e man to c\nt = "o & no man = m ?an "o1' ',e man equal 9 ! eye ( ! law & ( ! legislator4' ,!re is also ! o!r sort ( political morality1 :i* if n beg9n+ ) ',might is "r1' at any rate seeks to d$uce our ideas ( ju/ice f ! necessities ( ! /ate & ( society4 ,accord+ to ?is view ! greate/ good ( m5 is ob$i5ce to law3 ! be/ human gov]nm5t is a rational despotism1 & ! be/ idea :i* we c =m ( a div9e be+ is t ( a despot act+ n :olly )\t reg>d to law & ord]4 ,to su* a view ! pres5t mix$ /ate ( ! _w1 n :olly evil or :olly good1 is suppos$ to be a witness4 ,m we might desire to h1 b are n p]mitt$4 ,?\gh a human tyrant w\ld be intol]able1 a div9e tyrant is a v tol]able gov]nor ( ! univ]se4 ,?is is ! doctr9e ( ,?rasyma*us adapt$ to ! public op9ion ( mod]n times4 ,!re is yet a ?ird view :i* comb9es ! two3--fre$om is ob$i5ce to ! law1 & ! greate/ ord] is also ! greate/ fre$om2 ',act s t ?y action may be ! law ( e intellig5t be+4' ,?is view is noble & elevat+2 b x seems to err1 l o!r transc5d5tal pr9ciples ( e?ics1 9 be+ too ab/ract4 ,= !re is ! same difficulty 9 connect+ ! idea ( duty ) p>ticul> duties z 9 bridg+ ! gulf betwe5 pha9om5a & onta2 & :51 z 9 ! sy/em ( ,kant1 ?is univ]sal idea or law is held to be indep5d5t ( space & "t1 su* a mataion eidos becomes almo/ unmean+4 ,once m !re are ! religi\s pr9ciples ( morals3--! w ( ,god reveal$ 9 ,scripture & 9 nature4 ,no philosophy has suppli$ a sanction equal 9 au?ority to ?is1 or a motive equal 9 /r5g? to ! belief 9 ano!r life4 ,yet ab\t ^! too we mu/ ask ,:at w ( ,god8 h[ reveal$ to u1 & by :at pro(s8 ,religion1 l happ9ess1 is a ^w :i* has great influ5ce ap>t f any consid]ation ( its cont5t3 x may be = great good or = great evil4 ,b true religion is ! syn!sis ( religion & morality1 beg9n+ ) div9e p]fection 9 :i* all human p]fection is embodi$4 ,x moves among ideas ( hol9ess1 ju/ice1 love1 wisdom1 tru?2 ^! are to ,god1 9 :om !y are p]sonifi$1 :at ! ,platonic ideas are to ! idea ( good4 ,x is ! consci\sness ( ! w ( ,god t all m5 %\ld be z he is4 ,x lives 9 ?is _w & is kn[n to u only ?r\gh ! ph5om5a ( ?is _w1 b x ext5ds to worlds beyond4 ,ord9>y religion :i* is alloy$ ) motives ( ?is _w may easily be 9 excess1 may be fanatical1 may be int]e/$1 may be ! mask ( ambition1 may be p]v]t$ 9 a ?\s& ways4 ,b ( t religion :i* comb9es ! w ( ,god ) our highe/ ideas ( tru? & "r !re c nev] be too mu*4 ,?is impossibility ( excess is ! note ( div9e mod]ation4 ,s !n1 hav+ briefly pass$ 9 review ! v>i\s pr9ciples ( moral philosophy1 we may n[ arrange our goods 9 ord]1 ?\gh1 l ! read] ( ! ,philebus1 we h a difficulty 9 di/+ui%+ ! diff]5t aspects ( !m f "o ano!r1 or def9+ ! po9t at :i* ! human passes into ! div9e4 ,fir/1 ! et]nal w ( ,god 9 ?is _w & 9 ano!r1--ju/ice1 hol9ess1 wisdom1 love1 )\t succession ( acts 7ou* e g5esis prose/971 :i* is kn[n to u 9 "p only1 & rev]5c$ by u z div9e p]fection4 ,secondly1 human p]fection1 or ! fulfilm5t ( ! w ( ,god 9 ?is _w1 & co-op]ation ) 8 laws reveal$ to u by reason & exp]i5ce1 9 nature1 hi/ory1 & 9 our own m9ds4 ,?irdly1 ! elem5ts ( human p]fection1--virtue1 k1 & "r op9ion4 ,f\r?ly1 ! ext]nal conditions ( p]fection1--heal? & ! goods ( life4 ,fif?ly1 beauty & happ9ess1--! inw>d enjoym5t ( t :i* is be/ & faire/ 9 ?is _w & 9 ! human s\l4 444 ,! ,philebus is probably ! late/ 9 "t ( ! writ+s ( ,plato ) ! exception ( ! ,laws4 ,we h 9 x !re=e ! la/ developm5t ( 8 philosophy4 ,! extreme & "o-sid$ doctr9es ( ! ,cynics & ,cyr5aics are includ$ 9 a l>g] :ole2 ! relations ( pleasure & k to ea* o!r & to ! good are au?oritatively det]m9$2 ! ,eleatic ,be+ & ! ,h]aclitean ,flux no long] divide ! empire ( ?\ght2 ! ,m9d ( ,anaxagoras has become ! ,m9d ( ,god & ( ! ,_w4 ,! great di/9ction betwe5 pure & appli$ sci5ce = ! fir/ "t has a place 9 philosophy2 ! natural claim ( dialectic to be ! ,que5 ( ! ,sci5ces is once m affirm$4 ,?is latt] is ! bond ( union :i* p]vades ! :ole or ne>ly ! :ole ( ! ,platonic writ+s4 ,& "h z 9 sev]al o!r dialogues 7,pha$rus1 ,republic1 etc47 x is pres5t$ to u 9 a mann] playful yet also s]i\s1 & sometimes z if ! ?\ght ( x 7 too great = human utt]ance & came d[n f heav5 direct4 ,x is ! organization ( k wond]ful to ?9k ( at a "t :5 k itself c\ld h>dly be said to exi/4 ,x is ?is m ?an any o!r elem5t :i* di/+ui%es ,plato1 n only f ! presocratic philosoph]s1 b f ,socrates himself4 ,we h n yet rea*$ ! conf9es ( ,ari/otle1 b we make a some:at ne>] approa* to him 9 ! ,philebus ?an 9 ! e>li] ,platonic writ+s4 ,! g]ms ( logic are beg9n+ to appe>1 b !y are n collect$ into a :ole1 or made a sep>ate sci5ce or sy/em4 ,_m ?9k]s ( _m diff]5t s*ools h to be int]pos$ betwe5 ! ,p>m5ides or ,philebus ( ,plato1 & ! ,physics or ,metaphysics ( ,ari/otle4 ,x is ?is int]val ^u :i* we h to fix our m9ds if we w\ld rightly und]/& ! "* ( ! transition f "o to ! o!r4 ,plato & ,ari/otle d n dovetail into "o ano!r2 nor does ! "o beg9 :]e ! o!r ends2 !re is a gulf betwe5 !m n to be measur$ by "t1 :i* 9 ! fragm5t>y /ate ( our k x is impossible to bridge ov]4 ,x foll[s t ! "o _c be int]pret$ by ! o!r4 ,at any rate1 x is n ,plato :o is to be int]pret$ by ,ari/otle1 b ,ari/otle by ,plato4 ,( all philosophy & ( all art ! true und]/&+ is to be s\ght n 9 ! aft]?\ghts ( po/]ity1 b 9 ! elem5ts out ( :i* !y h aris54 ,= ! previ\s /age is a t5d5cy t[>ds ! ideal at :i* !y are aim+2 ! lat] is a decl9ation or deviation f !m1 or ev5 a p]v]sion ( !m4 ,no man's ?\ghts 7 ev] s well express$ by 8 disciples z by himself4 ,b al?\gh ,plato 9 ! ,philebus does n come into any close connexion ) ,ari/otle1 he is n[ a long way f himself & f ! beg9n+s ( 8 own philosophy4 ,at ! "t ( 8 dea? he left 8 sy/em /ill incomplete2 or he may be m truly said to h _h no sy/em1 b to h liv$ 9 ! successive /ages or mom5ts ( metaphysical ?\ght :i* pres5t$ !mselves f "t to "t4 ,! e>li] discussions ab\t univ]sal ideas & def9itions seem to h di$ away2 ! correlation ( ideas has tak5 _! place4 ,! fl[]s ( rhetoric & poetry h lo/ _! fre%ness & *>m2 & a te*nical language has begun to sup]s$e & ov]gr[ !m4 ,b ! p[] ( ?9k+ t5ds to increase ) age1 & ! exp]i5ce ( life to wid5 & deep54 ,! good is summ$ up "u categories :i* are n summa g5]a1 b heads or gradations ( ?\ght4 ,! "q ( pleasure & ! relation ( bodily pleasures to m5tal1 :i* is h>dly treat$ ( else:]e 9 ,plato1 is "h analys$ ) great subtlety4 ,! mean or measure is n[ made ! fir/ pr9ciple ( good4 ,"s ( ^! que/ions reappe> 9 ,ari/otle1 z does also ! di/9ction betwe5 metaphysics & ma!matics4 ,b !re are _m ?+s 9 ,plato :i* h be5 lo/ 9 ,ari/otle2 & _m ?+s 9 ,ari/otle n to be f\nd 9 ,plato4 ,! mo/ rem>kable defici5cy 9 ,ari/otle is ! disappe>ance ( ! ,platonic dialectic1 :i* 9 ! ,ari/otelian s*ool is only us$ 9 a comp>atively unimportant & trivial s5se4 ,! mo/ rem>kable additions are ! inv5tion ( ! ,syllogism1 ! conception ( happ9ess z ! f\ndation ( morals1 ! ref]5ce ( human actions to ! /&>d ( ! bett] m9d ( ! _w1 or ( ! "o 's5sible man' or 'sup]ior p]son4' ,8 conception ( ousia1 or ess5ce1 is n an advance ^u ,plato1 b a return to ! poor & meagre ab/ractions ( ! ,eleatic philosophy4 ,! dry attempt to r$uce ! presocratic philosophy by 8 own r arbitr>y /&>d ( ! f\r causes1 contra/s unfav\rably ) ,plato's g5]al discussion ( ! same subject 7,sophi/74 ,to attempt fur!r to sum up ! diff]5ces betwe5 ! two great philosoph]s w\ld be out ( place "h4 ,any real discussion ( _! relation to "o ano!r mu/ be prec$$ by an exam9ation into ! nature & "* ( ! ,ari/otelian writ+s & ! =m 9 :i* !y h come d[n to u4 ,?is enquiry is n really sep>able f an inve/igation ( ,!ophra/us z well z ,ari/otle & ( ! rema9s ( o!r s*ools ( philosophy z well z ( ! ,p]ipatetics4 ,b1 )\t ent]+ on ?is wide field1 ev5 a sup]ficial consid]ation ( ! logical & metaphysical works :i* pass "u ! "n ( ,ari/otle1 :e!r we suppose !m to h come directly f 8 h& or to be ! tradition ( 8 s*ool1 is suffici5t to %[ h[ great 0 ! m5tal activity :i* prevail$ 9 ! latt] half ( ! f\r? c5tury ,b4,c42 :at eddies & :irlpools ( controv]sies 7 surg+ 9 ! *aos ( ?\ght1 :at trans=mations ( ! old philosophies 7 tak+ place ev]y:]e1 :at eclecticisms & syncretisms & realisms & nom9alisms 7 affect+ ! m9d ( ,hellas4 ,! decl9e ( philosophy dur+ ?is p]iod is no less rem>kable ?an ! loss ( fre$om2 & ! two are n unconnect$ ) ea* o!r4 ,b ( ! multitud9\s sea ( op9ions :i* 7 curr5t 9 ! age ( ,ari/otle we h no exact acc\nt4 ,we "k ( !m f allusions only4 ,& we _c ) advantage fill up ! void ( our k by conjecture3 we c only make all[ance = our ignorance4 ,!re are sev]al passages 9 ! ,philebus :i* are v *>act]i/ic ( ,plato1 & :i* we %all d well to consid] n only 9 _! connexion1 b ap>t f _! connexion z inspir$ say+s or oracles :i* receive _! full int]pretation only f ! hi/ory ( philosophy 9 lat] ages4 ,! m s]i\s attacks on traditional beliefs :i* are (t5 veil$ "u an unusual simplicity or irony are ( ?is k9d4 ,su*1 = example1 is ! excessive & m ?an human awe :i* ,socrates expresses ab\t ! names ( ! gods1 :i* may be n unaptly comp>$ ) ! importance atta*$ by mank9d to !ological t]ms 9 o!r ages2 = ?is also may be compreh5d$ "u ! satire ( ,socrates4 ,let u obs]ve ! religi\s & intellectual en?usiasm :i* %9es =? 9 ! foll[+1 ',! p[] & faculty ( lov+ ! tru?1 & ( do+ all ?+s = ! sake ( ! tru?'3 or1 aga91 ! s+ul> ackn[l$gm5t :i* may be reg>d$ z ! anticipation ( a new logic1 t ',9 go+ to w> = m9d ,i mu/ h weapons ( a diff]5t make f ^? :i* ,i us$ be=e1 al?\gh "s ( ! old ones may d aga94' ,let u pause a:ile to reflect on a s5t5ce :i* is full ( mean+ to re=m]s ( religion or to ! orig9al ?9k] ( all ages3 ',%all we !n agree ) !m ( old "t1 & m]ely reass]t ! notions ( o!rs )\t risk to ourselves2 or %all we v5ture also to %>e 9 ! risk & be> ! reproa* :i* w await u'3 i4e4 if we ass]t m9d to be ! au?or ( nature4 ,let u note ! rem>kable words1 ',t 9 ! div9e nature ( ,zeus !re is ! s\l & m9d ( a ,k+1 because !re is 9 him ! p[] ( ! cause1' a say+ 9 :i* !ology & philosophy are bl5d$ & reconcil$2 n omitt+ to obs]ve ! deep insight into human nature :i* is %[n by ! repetition ( ! same ?\ght ',all philosoph]s are agre$ t m9d is ! k+ ( heav5 & e>?' ) ! ironical addition1 '9 ?is way truly !y magnify !mselves4' ,nor let u pass unhe$$ ! indignation felt by ! g5]\s y\? at ! 'blasphemy' ( ^? :o say t ,*aos & ,*ance ,m$ley creat$ ! _w2 or ! significance ( ! words '^? :o said ( old "t t m9d rules ! univ]se'2 or ! pregnant obs]vation t 'we are n always consci\s ( :at we are do+ or ( :at happ5s to u1' a *ance expression to :i* if philosoph]s _h att5d$ !y w\ld h escap$ _m errors 9 psy*ology4 ,we may contra/ ! contempt :i* is p\r$ ^u ! v]bal difficulty ( ! "o & _m1 & ! s]i\sness ) ! unity ( opposites is reg>d$ f ! high] po9t ( view ( ab/ract ideas3 or comp>e ! simple mann] 9 :i* ! "q ( cause & effect & _! mutual dep5d5ce is reg>d$ by ,plato 7to :i* mod]n sci5ce has return$ 9 ,mill & ,bacon71 & ! cumbr\s f\rfold division ( causes 9 ! ,physics & ,metaphysics ( ,ari/otle1 = :i* x has puzzl$ ! _w to f9d a use 9 s _m c5turies4 ,:5 we consid] ! backw>dness ( k 9 ! age ( ,plato1 ! boldness ) :i* he looks =w>d into ! di/ance1 ! _m que/ions ( mod]n philosophy :i* are anticipat$ 9 8 writ+s1 may we n truly describe him 9 8 own words z a 'spectator ( all "t & ( all exi/5ce'8 ,,philebus ,,p]sons ,,( ,,! ,,dialogue3 ,socrates1 ,prot>*us1 ,philebus4 ,,socrates3 ,obs]ve1 ,prot>*us1 ! nature ( ! position :i* y are n[ go+ to take f ,philebus1 & :at ! o!r position is :i* ,i ma9ta91 & :i*1 if y d n approve ( x1 is to be controv]t$ by y4 ,%all y & ,i sum up ! two sides8 ,,prot>*us3 ,by all means4 ,,socrates3 ,philebus 0 say+ t enjoym5t & pleasure & delight1 & ! class ( feel+s ak9 to !m1 are a good to e liv+ be+1 :]eas ,i cont5d1 t n ^!1 b wisdom & intellig5ce & memory1 & _! k9dr$1 "r op9ion & true reason+1 are bett] & m desirable ?an pleasure = all :o are able to p>take ( !m1 & t to all su* :o are or ev] w be !y are ! mo/ advantage\s ( all ?+s4 ,h ,i n giv51 ,philebus1 a fair /atem5t ( ! two sides ( ! argum5t8 ,,philebus3 ,no?+ c\ld be fair]1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,& d y1 ,prot>*us1 accept ! position :i* is assign$ to y8 ,,prot>*us3 ,i _c d o!rwise1 s9ce our excell5t ,philebus has left ! field4 ,,socrates3 ,surely ! tru? ab\t ^! matt]s ought1 by all means1 to be asc]ta9$4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,%all we fur!r agree-- ,,prot>*us3 ,to :at8 ,,socrates3 ,t y & ,i mu/ n[ try to indicate "s /ate & disposition ( ! s\l1 :i* has ! prop]ty ( mak+ all m5 happy4 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 by all means4 ,,socrates3 ,& y say t pleasure1 & ,i say t wisdom1 is su* a /ate8 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,& :at if !re be a ?ird /ate1 :i* is bett] ?an ei!r8 ,!n bo? ( u are vanqui%$--are we n8 ,b if ?is life1 :i* really has ! p[] ( mak+ m5 happy1 turn out to be m ak9 to pleasure ?an to wisdom1 ! life ( pleasure may /ill h ! advantage ov] ! life ( wisdom4 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,or suppose t ! bett] life is m ne>ly alli$ to wisdom1 !n wisdom conqu]s1 & pleasure is defeat$2--d y agree8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& :at d y say1 ,philebus8 ,,philebus3 ,i say1 & %all always say1 t pleasure is easily ! conqu]or2 b y mu/ decide = y\rself1 ,prot>*us4 ,,prot>*us3 ,y1 ,philebus1 h h&$ ov] ! argum5t to me1 & h no long] a voice 9 ! matt]8 ,,philebus3 ,true en\gh4 ,nev]!less ,i w\ld cle> myself & deliv] my s\l ( y2 & ,i call ! goddess h]self to witness t ,i n[ d s4 ,,prot>*us3 ,y may appeal to u2 we too w be ! witnesses ( y\r words4 ,& n[1 ,socrates1 :e!r ,philebus is pleas$ or displeas$1 we w proce$ ) ! argum5t4 ,,socrates3 ,!n let u beg9 ) ! goddess h]self1 ( :om ,philebus says t %e is call$ ,aphrodite1 b t h] real "n is ,pleasure4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v good4 ,,socrates3 ,! awe :i* ,i always feel1 ,prot>*us1 ab\t ! names ( ! gods is m ?an human--x exce$s all o!r fe>s4 ,& n[ ,i w\ld n s9 aga9/ ,aphrodite by nam+ h] amiss2 let h] be call$ :at %e pleases4 ,b ,pleasure ,i "k to be manifold1 & ) h]1 z ,i 0 j n[ say+1 we mu/ beg91 & consid] :at h] nature is4 ,%e has "o "n1 & !re=e y w\ld imag9e t %e is "o2 & yet surely %e takes ! mo/ v>i$ & ev5 unlike =ms4 ,= d we n say t ! intemp]ate has pleasure1 & t ! temp]ate has pleasure 9 8 v temp]ance1--t ! fool is pleas$ :5 he is full ( fooli% fancies & hopes1 & t ! wise man has pleasure 9 8 wisdom8 & h[ fooli% w\ld any "o be :o affirm$ t all ^! opposite pleasures are sev]ally alike6 ,,prot>*us3 ,:y1 ,socrates1 !y are oppos$ 9 s f> z !y spr+ f opposite s\rces1 b !y are n 9 !mselves opposite4 ,= mu/ n pleasure be ( all ?+s mo/ absolutely l pleasure1--t is1 l itself8 ,,socrates3 ,yes1 my good fri5d1 j z col\r is l col\r2--9 s f> z col\rs are col\rs1 !re is no diff]5ce betwe5 !m2 & yet we all "k t black is n only unlike1 b ev5 absolutely oppos$ to :ite3 or aga91 z figure is l figure1 = all figures are compreh5d$ "u "o class2 & yet p>ticul> figures may be absolutely oppos$ to "o ano!r1 & !re is an inf9ite div]sity ( !m4 ,& we might f9d simil> examples 9 _m o!r ?+s2 !re=e d n rely ^u ?is argum5t1 :i* w\ld g to prove ! unity ( ! mo/ extreme opposites4 ,& ,i suspect t we %all f9d a simil> opposition among pleasures4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v likely2 b h[ w ?is invalidate ! argum5t8 ,,socrates3 ,:y1 ,i %all reply1 t dissimil> z !y are1 y apply to !m a new pr$icate1 = y say t all pleasant ?+s are good2 n[ al?\gh no "o c argue t pleasure is n pleasure1 he may argue1 z we are do+1 t pleasures are (t5] bad ?an good2 b y call !m all good1 & at ! same "t are compell$1 if y are press$1 to ackn[l$ge t !y are unlike4 ,& s y mu/ tell u :at is ! id5tical quality exi/+ alike 9 good & bad pleasures1 :i* makes y designate all ( !m z good4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at d y mean1 ,socrates8 ,d y ?9k t any "o :o ass]ts pleasure to be ! good1 w tol]ate ! notion t "s pleasures are good & o!rs bad8 ,,socrates3 ,& yet y w ackn[l$ge t !y are diff]5t f "o ano!r1 & sometimes oppos$8 ,,prot>*us3 ,n 9 s f> z !y are pleasures4 ,,socrates3 ,t is a return to ! old position1 ,prot>*us1 & s we are to say 7are we87 t !re is no diff]5ce 9 pleasures1 b t !y are all alike2 & ! examples :i* h j be5 cit$ d n pi]ce our dull m9ds1 b we g on argu+ all ! same1 l ! weake/ & mo/ inexp]i5c$ reason]s8 7,probably corrupt47 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at d y mean8 ,,socrates3 ,:y1 ,i mean to say1 t 9 self-def5ce ,i may1 if ,i l1 foll[ y\r example1 & ass]t boldly t ! two ?+s mo/ unlike are mo/ absolutely alike2 & ! result w be t y & ,i w prove ourselves to be v tyros 9 ! art ( disput+2 & ! argum5t w be bl[n away & lo/4 ,suppose t we put back1 & return to ! old position2 !n p]haps we may come to an und]/&+ ) "o ano!r4 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[ d y mean8 ,,socrates3 ,%all ,i1 ,prot>*us1 h my own "q ask$ ( me by y8 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at "q8 ,,socrates3 ,ask me :e!r wisdom & sci5ce & m9d1 & ^? o!r qualities :i* ,i1 :5 ask$ by y at fir/ :at is ! nature ( ! good1 affirm$ to be good1 are n 9 ! same case ) ! pleasures ( :i* y spoke4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at d y mean8 ,,socrates3 ,! sci5ces are a num]\s class1 & w be f\nd to pres5t great diff]5ces4 ,b ev5 admitt+ t1 l ! pleasures1 !y are opposite z well z diff]5t1 %\ld ,i be wor?y ( ! "n ( dialectician if1 9 ord] to avoid ?is difficulty1 ,i 7 to say 7z y are say+ ( pleasure7 t !re is no diff]5ce betwe5 "o sci5ce & ano!r2--w\ld n ! argum5t f\nd] & disappe> l an idle tale1 al?\gh we might ourselves escape dr[n+ by cl++ to a fallacy8 ,,prot>*us3 ,may none ( ?is befal u1 except ! deliv]ance6 ,yet ,i l ! ev5-h&$ ju/ice :i* is appli$ to bo? our argum5ts4 ,let u assume1 !n1 t !re are _m & div]se pleasures1 & _m & diff]5t sci5ces4 ,,socrates3 ,& let u h no concealm5t1 ,prot>*us1 ( ! diff]5ces betwe5 my good & y\rs2 b let u br+ !m to ! light 9 ! hope t1 9 ! process ( te/+ !m1 !y may %[ :e!r pleasure is to be call$ ! good1 or wisdom1 or "s ?ird quality2 = surely we are n n[ simply cont5d+ 9 ord] t my view or t y\rs may prevail1 b ,i presume t we ought bo? ( u to be fight+ = ! tru?4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly we ought4 ,,socrates3 ,!n let u h a m def9ite und]/&+ & e/abli% ! pr9ciple on :i* ! argum5t re/s4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at pr9ciple8 ,,socrates3 ,a pr9ciple ab\t :i* all m5 are always 9 a difficulty1 & "s m5 sometimes aga9/ _! w4 ,,prot>*us3 ,speak pla9]4 ,,socrates3 ,! pr9ciple :i* has j turn$ up1 :i* is a m>vel ( nature2 = t "o %\ld be _m or _m "o1 are wond]ful propositions2 & he :o affirms ei!r is v op5 to attack4 ,,prot>*us3 ,d y mean1 :5 a p]son says t ,i1 ,prot>*us1 am by nature "o & also _m1 divid+ ! s+le 'me' into _m 'me's1' & ev5 oppos+ !m z great & small1 light & heavy1 & 9 t5 ?\s& o!r ways8 ,,socrates3 ,^?1 ,prot>*us1 are ! common & ackn[l$g$ p>adoxes ab\t ! "o & _m1 :i* ,i may say t ev]ybody has by ?is "t agre$ to dismiss z *ildi% & obvi\s & detrim5tal to ! true c\rse ( ?\ght2 & no m fav\r is %[n to t o!r puzzle1 9 :i* a p]son proves ! memb]s & p>ts ( any?+ to be divid$1 & !n confess+ t !y are all "o1 says laugh+ly 9 dispro( ( 8 own words3 ,:y1 "h is a miracle1 ! "o is _m & inf9ite1 & ! _m are only "o4 ,,prot>*us3 ,b :at1 ,socrates1 are ^? o!r m>vels connect$ ) ?is subject :i*1 z y imply1 h n yet become common & ackn[l$g$8 ,,socrates3 ,:51 my boy1 ! "o does n belong to ! class ( ?+s t are born & p]i%1 z 9 ! in/ances :i* we 7 giv+1 = 9 ^? cases1 & :5 unity is ( ?is concrete nature1 !re is1 z ,i 0 say+1 a univ]sal cons5t t no refutation is ne$$2 b :5 ! ass]tion is made t man is "o1 or ox is "o1 or beauty "o1 or ! good "o1 !n ! int]e/ :i* atta*es to ^! & simil> unities & ! attempt :i* is made to divide !m gives bir? to a controv]sy4 ,,prot>*us3 ,( :at nature8 ,,socrates3 ,9 ! fir/ place1 z to :e!r ^! unities h a real exi/5ce2 & !n h[ ea* individual unity1 be+ always ! same1 & incapable ei!r ( g5]ation or ( de/ruction1 b reta9+ a p]man5t individuality1 c be conceiv$ ei!r z disp]s$ & multipli$ 9 ! inf9ity ( ! _w ( g5]ation1 or z /ill entire & yet divid$ f itself1 :i* latt] w\ld seem to be ! greate/ impossibility ( all1 = h[ c "o & ! same ?+ be at ! same "t 9 "o & 9 _m ?+s8 ,^!1 ,prot>*us1 are ! real difficulties1 & ?is is ! "o & _m to :i* !y relate2 !y are ! s\rce ( great p]plexity if ill decid$1 & ! "r det]m9ation ( !m is v helpful4 ,,prot>*us3 ,!n1 ,socrates1 let u beg9 by cle>+ up ^! que/ions4 ,,socrates3 ,t is :at ,i %\ld wi%4 ,,prot>*us3 ,& ,i am sure t all my o!r fri5ds w be glad to he> !m discuss$2 ,philebus1 =tunately = u1 is n dispos$ to move1 & we _h bett] n /ir him up ) que/ions4 ,,socrates3 ,good2 & :]e %all we beg9 ?is great & multif>i\s battle1 9 :i* su* v>i\s po9ts are at issue8 ,%all we beg9 ?us8 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[8 ,,socrates3 ,we say t ! "o & _m become id5tifi$ by ?\ght1 & t n[1 z 9 "t pa/1 !y run ab\t toge!r1 9 & out ( e ^w :i* is utt]$1 & t ?is union ( !m w nev] cease1 & is n n[ beg9n+1 b is1 z ,i believe1 an ev]la/+ quality ( ?\ght itself1 :i* nev] gr[s old4 ,any "y man1 :5 he fir/ ta/es ^! subtleties1 is delight$1 & fancies t he has f\nd a treasure ( wisdom2 9 ! fir/ en?usiasm ( 8 joy he leaves no /one1 or r no ?\ght unturn$1 n[ roll+ up ! _m into ! "o1 & knead+ !m toge!r1 n[ unfold+ & divid+ !m2 he puzzles himself fir/ & above all1 & !n he proce$s to puzzle 8 neighb\rs1 :e!r !y are old] or y\ng]1 or ( 8 own age--t makes no diff]5ce2 nei!r fa!r nor "m does he sp>e2 no human be+ :o has e>s is safe f him1 h>dly ev5 8 dog1 & a b>b>ian w\ld h no *ance ( escap+ him1 if an int]pret] c\ld only be f\nd4 ,,prot>*us3 ,consid]+1 ,socrates1 h[ _m we are1 & t all ( u are "y m51 is !re n a dang] t we & ,philebus may all set ^u y1 if y abuse u8 ,we und]/& :at y mean2 b is !re no *>m by :i* we may dispel all ?is confusion1 no m excell5t way ( arriv+ at ! tru?8 ,if !re is1 we hope t y w guide u into t way1 & we w d our be/ to foll[1 = ! enquiry 9 :i* we are engag$1 ,socrates1 is n unimportant4 ,,socrates3 ,! rev]se ( unimportant1 my boys1 z ,philebus calls y1 & !re nei!r is nor ev] w be a bett] ?an my own fav\rite way1 :i* has nev]!less already (t5 des]t$ me & left me helpless 9 ! h\r ( ne$4 ,,prot>*us3 ,tell u :at t is4 ,,socrates3 ,"o :i* may be easily po9t$ out1 b is by no means easy ( application2 x is ! p>5t ( all ! discov]ies 9 ! arts4 ,,prot>*us3 ,tell u :at x is4 ,,socrates3 ,a gift ( heav51 :i*1 z ,i conceive1 ! gods toss$ among m5 by ! h&s ( a new ,prome!us1 & !re) a blaze ( light2 & ! anci5ts1 :o 7 our bett]s & ne>] ! gods ?an we are1 h&$ d[n ! tradition1 t :atev] ?+s are said to be are compos$ ( "o & _m1 & h ! f9ite & inf9ite implant$ 9 !m3 see+1 !n1 t su* is ! ord] ( ! _w1 we too ought 9 e enquiry to beg9 by lay+ d[n "o idea ( t :i* is ! subject ( enquiry2 ?is unity we %all f9d 9 ev]y?+4 ,hav+ f\nd x1 we may next proce$ to look = two1 if !re be two1 or1 if n1 !n = ?ree or "s o!r numb]1 subdivid+ ea* ( ^! units1 until at la/ ! unity ) :i* we began is se5 n only to be "o & _m & inf9ite1 b also a def9ite numb]2 ! inf9ite mu/ n be suff]$ to approa* ! _m until ! entire numb] ( ! species int]m$iate betwe5 unity & inf9ity has be5 discov]$1--!n1 & n till !n1 we may re/ f division1 & )\t fur!r tr\bl+ ourselves ab\t ! endless individuals may all[ !m to drop into inf9ity4 ,?is1 z ,i 0 say+1 is ! way ( consid]+ & le>n+ & tea*+ "o ano!r1 :i* ! gods h h&$ d[n to u4 ,b ! wise m5 ( our "t are ei!r too quick or too sl[ 9 conceiv+ plurality 9 unity4 ,hav+ no me?od1 !y make _! "o & _m anyh[1 & f unity pass at once to inf9ity2 ! int]m$iate /eps nev] occur to !m4 ,& ?is1 ,i repeat1 is :at makes ! diff]5ce betwe5 ! m]e art ( disputation & true dialectic4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i ?9k t ,i p>tly und]/& y ,socrates1 b ,i %\ld l to h a cle>] notion ( :at y are say+4 ,,socrates3 ,i may illu/rate my mean+ by ! lett]s ( ! alphabet1 ,prot>*us1 :i* y 7 made to le>n z a *ild4 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[ d !y af=d an illu/ration8 ,,socrates3 ,! s\nd :i* passes ?r\gh ! lips :e!r ( an individual or ( all m5 is "o & yet inf9ite4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true4 ,,socrates3 ,& yet n by kn[+ ei!r t s\nd is "o or t s\nd is inf9ite are we p]fect 9 ! art ( spee*1 b ! k ( ! numb] & nature ( s\nds is :at makes a man a gramm>ian4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! k :i* makes a man a musician is ( ! same k9d4 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[ s8 ,,socrates3 ,s\nd is "o 9 music z well z 9 gramm>8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& !re is a high] note & a l[] note1 & a note ( equal pit*3--may we affirm s mu*8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,b y w\ld n be a real musician if ?is 0 all t y knew2 ?\gh if y did n "k ?is y w\ld "k almo/ no?+ ( music4 ,,prot>*us3 ,no?+4 ,,socrates3 ,b :5 y h le>n$ :at s\nds are high & :at l[1 & ! numb] & nature ( ! int]vals & _! limits or proportions1 & ! sy/ems comp\nd$ out ( !m1 :i* our fa!rs discov]$1 & h h&$ d[n to u :o are _! desc5dants "u ! "n ( h>monies2 & ! affections correspond+ to !m 9 ! movem5ts ( ! human body1 :i* :5 measur$ by numb]s ought1 z !y say1 to be call$ rhy?ms & measures2 & !y tell u t ! same pr9ciple %\ld be appli$ to e "o & _m2--:51 ,i say1 y h le>n$ all ?is1 !n1 my de> fri5d1 y are p]fect2 & y may be said to und]/& any o!r subject1 :5 y h a simil> grasp ( x4 ,b ! inf9ity ( k9ds & ! inf9ity ( individuals :i* !re is 9 ea* ( !m1 :5 n classifi$1 creates 9 e "o ( u a /ate ( inf9ite ignorance2 & he :o nev] looks = numb] 9 any?+1 w n himself be look$ = 9 ! numb] ( fam\s m54 ,,prot>*us3 ,i ?9k t :at ,socrates is n[ say+ is excell5t1 ,philebus4 ,,philebus3 ,i ?9k s too1 b h[ d 8 words be> ^u u & ^u ! argum5t8 ,,socrates3 ,philebus is "r 9 ask+ t "q ( u1 ,prot>*us4 ,,prot>*us3 ,inde$ he is1 & y mu/ answ] him4 ,,socrates3 ,i w2 b y mu/ let me make "o little rem>k fir/ ab\t ^! matt]s2 ,i 0 say+1 t he :o beg9s ) any individual unity1 %\ld proce$ f t1 n to inf9ity1 b to a def9ite numb]1 & n[ ,i say conv]sely1 t he :o has to beg9 ) inf9ity %\ld n jump to unity1 b he %\ld look ab\t = "s numb] repres5t+ a c]ta9 quantity1 & ?us out ( all end 9 "o4 ,& n[ let u return = an illu/ration ( our pr9ciple to ! case ( lett]s4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at d y mean8 ,,socrates3 ,"s god or div9e man1 :o 9 ! ,egyptian leg5d is said to h be5 ,!u?1 obs]v+ t ! human voice 0 inf9ite1 fir/ di/+ui%$ 9 ?is inf9ity a c]ta9 numb] ( v[els1 & !n o!r lett]s :i* _h s\nd1 b 7 n pure v[els 7i4e41 ! semiv[els72 ^! too exi/ 9 a def9ite numb]2 & la/ly1 he di/+ui%$ a ?ird class ( lett]s :i* we n[ call mutes1 )\t voice & )\t s\nd1 & divid$ ^!1 & likewise ! two o!r classes ( v[els & semiv[els1 into ! individual s\nds1 & told ! numb] ( !m1 & gave to ea* & all ( !m ! "n ( lett]s2 & obs]v+ t none ( u c\ld le>n any "o ( !m & n le>n !m all1 & 9 consid]ation ( ?is common bond :i* 9 a mann] unit$ !m1 he assign$ to !m all a s+le art1 & ?is he call$ ! art ( gramm> or lett]s4 ,,philebus3 ,! illu/ration1 ,prot>*us1 has assi/$ me 9 und]/&+ ! orig9al /atem5t1 b ,i /ill feel ! defect ( :i* ,i j n[ compla9$4 ,,socrates3 ,are y go+ to ask1 ,philebus1 :at ?is has to d ) ! argum5t8 ,,philebus3 ,yes1 t is a "q :i* ,prot>*us & ,i h be5 long ask+4 ,,socrates3 ,assur$ly y h already arriv$ at ! answ] to ! "q :i*1 z y say1 y h be5 s long ask+8 ,,philebus3 ,h[ s8 ,,socrates3 ,did we n beg9 by enquir+ into ! comp>ative eligibility ( pleasure & wisdom8 ,,philebus3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& we ma9ta9 t !y are ea* ( !m "o8 ,,philebus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! precise "q to :i* ! previ\s discussion desires an answ] is1 h[ !y are "o & also _m 7i4e41 h[ !y h "o g5us & _m species71 & are n at once inf9ite1 & :at numb] ( species is to be assign$ to ei!r ( !m be=e !y pass into inf9ity 7i4e4 into ! inf9ite numb] ( individuals74 ,,prot>*us3 ,t is a v s]i\s "q1 ,philebus1 to :i* ,socrates has +5i\sly br\ght u r\nd1 & please to consid] :i* ( u %all answ] him2 !re may be some?+ ridicul\s 9 my be+ unable to answ]1 & !re=e impos+ ! task ^u y1 :5 ,i h und]tak5 ! :ole *>ge ( ! argum5t1 b if nei!r ( u 7 able to answ]1 ! result me?9ks w\ld be /ill m ridicul\s4 ,let u consid]1 !n1 :at we are to d3--,socrates1 if ,i und]/ood him rightly1 is ask+ :e!r !re are n k9ds ( pleasure1 & :at is ! numb] & nature ( !m1 & ! same ( wisdom4 ,,socrates3 ,mo/ true1 ,o son ( ,callias2 & ! previ\s argum5t %[$ t if we are n able to tell ! k9ds ( ev]y?+ t has unity1 lik5ess1 sam5ess1 or _! opposites1 none ( u w be ( ! smalle/ use 9 any enquiry4 ,,prot>*us3 ,t seems to be v ne> ! tru?1 ,socrates4 ,happy w\ld ! wise man be if he knew all ?+s1 & ! next be/ ?+ = him is t he %\ld "k himself4 ,:y d ,i say s at ?is mom5t8 ,i w tell y4 ,y1 ,socrates1 h grant$ u ?is opportunity ( conv]s+ ) y1 & are ready to assi/ u 9 det]m9+ :at is ! be/ ( human goods4 ,= :5 ,philebus said t pleasure & delight & enjoym5t & ! l 7 ! *ief good1 y answ]$--,no1 n ^?1 b ano!r class ( goods2 & we are con/antly rem9d+ ourselves ( :at y said1 & v prop]ly1 9 ord] t we may n =get to exam9e & comp>e ! two4 ,& ^! goods1 :i* 9 y\r op9ion are to be designat$ z sup]ior to pleasure1 & are ! true objects ( pursuit1 are m9d & k & und]/&+ & art1 & ! l4 ,!re 0 a dispute ab\t :i* 7 ! be/1 & we playfully ?reat5$ t y %\ld n be all[$ to g home until ! "q 0 settl$2 & y agre$1 & plac$ y\rself at our disposal4 ,& n[1 z *ildr5 say1 :at has be5 fairly giv5 _c be tak5 back2 cease !n to fight aga9/ u 9 ?is way4 ,,socrates3 ,9 :at way8 ,,philebus3 ,d n p]plex u1 & keep ask+ que/ions ( u to :i* we h n z yet any suffici5t answ] to give2 let u n imag9e t a g5]al puzzl+ ( u all is to be ! end ( our discussion1 b if we are unable to answ]1 d y answ]1 z y h promis$4 ,consid]1 !n1 :e!r y w divide pleasure & k accord+ to _! k9ds2 or y may let ! matt] drop1 if y are able & will+ to f9d "s o!r mode ( cle>+ up our controv]sy4 ,,socrates3 ,if y say t1 ,i h no?+ to appreh5d1 = ! words 'if y are will+' dispel all my fe>2 &1 moreov]1 a god seems to h recall$ some?+ to my m9d4 ,,philebus3 ,:at is t8 ,,socrates3 ,i rememb] to h he>d long ago c]ta9 discussions ab\t pleasure & wisdom1 :e!r awake or 9 a dream ,i _c tell2 !y 7 to ! effect t nei!r ! "o nor ! o!r ( !m 0 ! good1 b "s ?ird ?+1 :i* 0 diff]5t f !m1 & bett] ?an ei!r4 ,if ?is be cle>ly e/abli%$1 !n pleasure w lose ! victory1 = ! good w cease to be id5tifi$ ) h]3--,am ,i n "r8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,& !re w cease to be any ne$ ( di/+ui%+ ! k9ds ( pleasures1 z ,i am incl9$ to ?9k1 b ?is w appe> m cle>ly z we proce$4 ,,prot>*us3 ,capital1 ,socrates2 pray g on z y propose4 ,,socrates3 ,b1 let u fir/ agree on "s little po9ts4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at are !y8 ,,socrates3 ,is ! good p]fect or imp]fect8 ,,prot>*us3 ,! mo/ p]fect1 ,socrates1 ( all ?+s4 ,,socrates3 ,& is ! good suffici5t8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 c]ta9ly1 & 9 a degree surpass+ all o!r ?+s4 ,,socrates3 ,& no "o c d5y t all p]cipi5t be+s desire & hunt aft] good1 & are eag] to cat* & h ! good ab\t !m1 & c>e n = ! atta9m5t ( any?+ :i* is n accompani$ by good4 ,,prot>*us3 ,t is und5iable4 ,,socrates3 ,n[ let u "p (f ! life ( pleasure f ! life ( wisdom1 & pass !m 9 review4 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[ d y mean8 ,,socrates3 ,let !re be no wisdom 9 ! life ( pleasure1 nor any pleasure 9 ! life ( wisdom1 = if ei!r ( !m is ! *ief good1 x _c be suppos$ to want any?+1 b if ei!r is %[n to want any?+1 !n x _c really be ! *ief good4 ,,prot>*us3 ,impossible4 ,,socrates3 ,& w y help u to te/ ^! two lives8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,!n answ]4 ,,prot>*us3 ,ask4 ,,socrates3 ,w\ld y *oose1 ,prot>*us1 to live all y\r life long 9 ! enjoym5t ( ! greate/ pleasures8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly ,i %\ld4 ,,socrates3 ,w\ld y consid] t !re 0 /ill any?+ want+ to y if y _h p]fect pleasure8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly n4 ,,socrates3 ,reflect2 w\ld y n want wisdom & intellig5ce & =e?\ght1 & simil> qualities8 w\ld y n at any rate want sight8 ,,prot>*us3 ,:y %\ld ,i8 ,hav+ pleasure ,i %\ld h all ?+s4 ,,socrates3 ,liv+ ?us1 y w\ld always ?r\gh\t y\r life enjoy ! greate/ pleasures8 ,,prot>*us3 ,i %\ld4 ,,socrates3 ,b if y _h nei!r m9d1 nor memory1 nor k1 nor true op9ion1 y w\ld 9 ! fir/ place be utt]ly ignorant ( :e!r y 7 pleas$ or n1 because y w\ld be entirely devoid ( intellig5ce4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& simil>ly1 if y _h no memory y w\ld n recollect t y _h ev] be5 pleas$1 nor w\ld ! slighte/ recollection ( ! pleasure :i* y feel at any mom5t rema9 ) y2 & if y _h no true op9ion y w\ld n ?9k t y 7 pleas$ :5 y 72 & if y _h no p[] ( calculation y w\ld n be able to calculate on future pleasure1 & y\r life w\ld be ! life1 n ( a man1 b ( an oy/] or 'pulmo m>9us4' ,c\ld ?is be o!rwise8 ,,prot>*us3 ,no4 ,,socrates3 ,b is su* a life eligible8 ,,prot>*us3 ,i _c answ] y1 ,socrates2 ! argum5t has tak5 away f me ! p[] ( spee*4 ,,socrates3 ,we mu/ keep up our spirits2--let u n[ take ! life ( m9d & exam9e x 9 turn4 ,,prot>*us3 ,& :at is ?is life ( m9d8 ,,socrates3 ,i want to "k :e!r any "o ( u w\ld cons5t to live1 hav+ wisdom & m9d & k & memory ( all ?+s1 b hav+ no s5se ( pleasure or pa91 & :olly unaffect$ by ^! & ! l feel+s8 ,,prot>*us3 ,nei!r life1 ,socrates1 appe>s eligible to me1 nor is likely1 z ,i %\ld imag9e1 to be *os5 by any "o else4 ,,socrates3 ,:at w\ld y say1 ,prot>*us1 to bo? ( ^! 9 "o1 or to "o t 0 made out ( ! union ( ! two8 ,,prot>*us3 ,out ( ! union1 t is1 ( pleasure ) m9d & wisdom8 ,,socrates3 ,yes1 t is ! life :i* ,i mean4 ,,prot>*us3 ,!re c be no diff]5ce ( op9ion2 n "s b all w\ld surely *oose ?is ?ird r ?an ei!r ( ! o!r two1 & 9 addition to !m4 ,,socrates3 ,b d y see ! consequ5ce8 ,,prot>*us3 ,to be sure ,i d4 ,! consequ5ce is1 t two out ( ! ?ree lives :i* h be5 propos$ are nei!r suffici5t nor eligible = man or = animal4 ,,socrates3 ,!n n[ !re c be no d\bt t nei!r ( !m has ! good1 = ! "o :i* _h w\ld c]ta9ly h be5 suffici5t & p]fect & eligible = e liv+ creature or ?+ t 0 able to live su* a life2 & if any ( u _h *os5 any o!r1 he w\ld h *os5 contr>y to ! nature ( ! truly eligible1 & n ( 8 own free w1 b ei!r ?r\gh ignorance or f "s unhappy necessity4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly t seems to be true4 ,,socrates3 ,& n[ h ,i n suffici5tly %[n t ,philebus' goddess is n to be reg>d$ z id5tical ) ! good8 ,,philebus3 ,nei!r is y\r 'm9d' ! good1 ,socrates1 = t w be op5 to ! same objections4 ,,socrates3 ,p]haps1 ,philebus1 y may be "r 9 say+ s ( my 'm9d'2 b ( ! true1 :i* is also ! div9e m9d1 f> o!rwise4 ,h[ev]1 ,i w n at pres5t claim ! fir/ place = m9d z aga9/ ! mix$ life2 b we mu/ come to "s und]/&+ ab\t ! second place4 ,= y might affirm pleasure & ,i m9d to be ! cause ( ! mix$ life2 & 9 t case al?\gh nei!r ( !m w\ld be ! good1 "o ( !m might be imag9$ to be ! cause ( ! good4 ,& ,i might proce$ fur!r to argue 9 opposition to ,philebus1 t ! elem5t :i* makes ?is mix$ life eligible & good1 is m ak9 & m simil> to m9d ?an to pleasure4 ,& if ?is is true1 pleasure _c be truly said to %>e ei!r 9 ! fir/ or second place1 & does n1 if ,i may tru/ my own m9d1 atta9 ev5 to ! ?ird4 ,,prot>*us3 ,truly1 ,socrates1 pleasure appe>s to me to h _h a fall2 9 fight+ = ! palm1 %e has be5 smitt5 by ! argum5t1 & is laid l[4 ,i mu/ say t m9d w\ld h fall5 too1 & may !re=e be ?\ght to %[ discretion 9 n putt+ =w>d a simil> claim4 ,& if pleasure 7 depriv$ n only ( ! fir/ b ( ! second place1 %e w\ld be t]ribly damag$ 9 ! eyes ( h] admir]s1 = n ev5 to !m w\ld %e /ill appe> z fair z be=e4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 b _h we n bett] leave h] n[1 & n pa9 h] by apply+ ! crucial te/1 & f9ally detect+ h]8 ,,prot>*us3 ,nons5se1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,:y8 because ,i said t we _h bett] n pa9 pleasure1 :i* is an impossibility8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 & m ?an t1 because y d n seem to be aw>e t none ( u w let y g home until y h f9i%$ ! argum5t4 ,,socrates3 ,heav5s6 ,prot>*us1 t w be a t$i\s bus9ess1 & j at pres5t n at all an easy "o4 ,= 9 go+ to w> 9 ! cause ( m9d1 :o is aspir+ to ! second prize1 ,i ought to h weapons ( ano!r make f ^? :i* ,i us$ be=e2 "s1 h[ev]1 ( ! old ones may d aga94 ,& mu/ ,i !n f9i% ! argum5t8 ,,prot>*us3 ,( c\rse y mu/4 ,,socrates3 ,let u be v c>eful 9 lay+ ! f\ndation4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at d y mean8 ,,socrates3 ,let u divide all exi/+ ?+s into two1 or r1 if y d n object1 into ?ree classes4 ,,prot>*us3 ,^u :at pr9ciple w\ld y make ! division8 ,,socrates3 ,let u take "s ( our newly-f\nd notions4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:i* ( !m8 ,,socrates3 ,7 we n say+ t ,god reveal$ a f9ite elem5t ( exi/5ce1 & also an inf9ite8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,let u assume ^! two pr9ciples1 & also a ?ird1 :i* is comp\nd$ out ( !m2 b ,i fe> t ,i am ridicul\sly clumsy at ^! processes ( division & enum]ation4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at d y mean1 my good fri5d8 ,,socrates3 ,i say t a f\r? class is /ill want$4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at w t be8 ,,socrates3 ,f9d ! cause ( ! ?ird or comp\nd1 & add ?is z a f\r? class to ! ?ree o!rs4 ,,prot>*us3 ,& w\ld y l to h a fif? class or cause ( resolution z well z a cause ( composition8 ,,socrates3 ,n1 ,i ?9k1 at pres5t2 b if ,i want a fif? at "s future "t y %all all[ me to h x4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,let u beg9 ) ! fir/ ?ree2 & z we f9d two out ( ! ?ree greatly divid$ & disp]s$1 let u endeav\r to reunite !m1 & see h[ 9 ea* ( !m !re is a "o & _m4 ,,prot>*us3 ,if y w\ld expla9 to me a little m ab\t !m1 p]haps ,i might be able to foll[ y4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 ! two classes are ! same :i* ,i m5tion$ be=e1 "o ! f9ite1 & ! o!r ! inf9ite2 ,i w fir/ %[ t ! inf9ite is 9 a c]ta9 s5se _m1 & ! f9ite may be h]eaft] discuss$4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i agree4 ,,socrates3 ,& n[ consid] well2 = ! "q to :i* ,i invite y\r att5tion is difficult & controv]t$4 ,:5 y speak ( hott] & cold]1 c y conceive any limit 9 ^? qualities8 ,does n ! m & less1 :i* dwells 9 _! v nature1 prev5t _! hav+ any end8 = if !y _h an end1 ! m & less w\ld !mselves h an end4 ,,prot>*us3 ,t is mo/ true4 ,,socrates3 ,ev]1 z we say1 into ! hott] & ! cold] !re ent]s a m & a less4 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,!n1 says ! argum5t1 !re is nev] any end ( !m1 & be+ endless !y mu/ also be inf9ite4 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 ,socrates1 t is exce$+ly true4 ,,socrates3 ,yes1 my de> ,prot>*us1 & y\r answ] rem9ds me t su* an expression z 'exce$+ly1' :i* y h j utt]$1 & also ! t]m 'g5tly1' h ! same significance z m or less2 = :5ev] !y occur !y d n all[ ( ! exi/5ce ( quantity--!y are always introduc+ degrees into actions1 in/itut+ a comp>ison ( a m or a less excessive or a m or a less g5tle1 & at ea* creation ( m or less1 quantity disappe>s4 ,=1 z ,i 0 j n[ say+1 if quantity & measure did n disappe>1 b 7 all[$ to intrude 9 ! sph]e ( m & less & ! o!r comp>atives1 ^! la/ w\ld be driv5 out ( _! own doma94 ,:5 def9ite quantity is once admitt$1 !re c be no long] a 'hott]' or a 'cold]' 7= ^! are always progress+1 & are nev] 9 "o /ay72 b def9ite quantity is at re/1 & has ceas$ to progress4 ,:i* proves t comp>atives1 su* z ! hott] & ! cold]1 are to be rank$ 9 ! class ( ! inf9ite4 ,,prot>*us3 ,y\r rem>k c]ta9ly has ! look ( tru?1 ,socrates2 b ^! subjects1 z y 7 say+1 are difficult to foll[ at fir/4 ,i ?9k h[ev]1 t if ,i c\ld he> ! argum5t repeat$ by y once or twice1 !re w\ld be a sub/antial agreem5t betwe5 u4 ,,socrates3 ,yes1 & ,i w try to meet y\r wi%2 b1 z ,i w\ld r n wa/e "t 9 ! enum]ation ( endless p>ticul>s1 let me "k :e!r ,i may n assume z a note ( ! inf9ite-- ,,prot>*us3 ,:at8 ,,socrates3 ,i want to "k :e!r su* ?+s z appe> to u to admit ( m or less1 or are d5ot$ by ! words 'exce$+ly1' 'g5tly1' 'extremely1' & ! l1 may n be ref]r$ to ! class ( ! inf9ite1 :i* is _! unity1 =1 z 0 ass]t$ 9 ! previ\s argum5t1 all ?+s t 7 divid$ & disp]s$ %\ld be br\ght toge!r1 & h ! m>k or seal ( "s "o nature1 if possible1 set ^u !m--d y rememb]8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,& all ?+s :i* d n admit ( m or less1 b admit _! opposites1 t is to say1 fir/ ( all1 equality1 & ! equal1 or aga91 ! d\ble1 or any o!r ratio ( numb] & measure--all ^! may1 ,i ?9k1 be rightly reckon$ by u 9 ! class ( ! limit$ or f9ite2 :at d y say8 ,,prot>*us3 ,excell5t1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,& n[ :at nature %all we ascribe to ! ?ird or comp\nd k9d8 ,,prot>*us3 ,y1 ,i ?9k1 w h to tell me t4 ,,socrates3 ,r ,god w tell y1 if !re be any ,god :o w li/5 to my pray]s4 ,,prot>*us3 ,(f] up a pray]1 !n1 & ?9k4 ,,socrates3 ,i am ?9k+1 ,prot>*us1 & ,i believe t "s ,god has befri5d$ u4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at d y mean1 & :at pro( h y to (f] ( :at y are say+8 ,,socrates3 ,i w tell y1 & d y li/5 to my words4 ,,prot>*us3 ,proce$4 ,,socrates3 ,7 we n speak+ j n[ ( hott] & cold]8 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,add to !m dri]1 wett]1 m1 less1 swift]1 sl[]1 great]1 small]1 & all t 9 ! prec$+ argum5t we plac$ "u ! unity ( m & less4 ,,prot>*us3 ,9 ! class ( ! inf9ite1 y mean8 ,,socrates3 ,yes2 & n[ m+le ?is ) ! o!r4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at is ! o!r4 ,,socrates3 ,! class ( ! f9ite :i* we ought to h br\ght toge!r z we did ! inf9ite2 b1 p]haps1 x w come to ! same ?+ if we d s n[2--:5 ! two are comb9$1 a ?ird w appe>4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at d y mean by ! class ( ! f9ite8 ,,socrates3 ,! class ( ! equal & ! d\ble1 & any class :i* puts an end to diff]5ce & opposition1 & by introduc+ numb] creates h>mony & proportion among ! diff]5t elem5ts4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i und]/&2 y seem to me to mean t ! v>i\s opposites1 :5 y m+le ) !m ! class ( ! f9ite1 takes c]ta9 =ms4 ,,socrates3 ,yes1 t is my mean+4 ,,prot>*us3 ,proce$4 ,,socrates3 ,does n ! "r p>ticipation 9 ! f9ite give heal?--9 disease1 = in/ance8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& :]eas ! high & l[1 ! swift & ! sl[ are inf9ite or unlimit$1 does n ! addition ( ! pr9ciples a=esaid introduce a limit1 & p]fect ! :ole frame ( music8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,or1 aga91 :5 cold & heat prevail1 does n ! introduction ( !m take away excess & indef9it5ess1 & infuse mod]ation & h>mony8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& f a l admixture ( ! f9ite & inf9ite come ! seasons1 & all ! delights ( life8 ,,prot>*us3 ,mo/ true4 ,,socrates3 ,i omit t5 ?\s& o!r ?+s1 su* z beauty & heal? & /r5g?1 & ! _m beauties & high p]fections ( ! s\l3 ,o my beautiful ,philebus1 ! goddess1 me?9ks1 see+ ! univ]sal wantonness & wick$ness ( all ?+s1 & t !re 0 9 !m no limit to pleasures & self-indulg5ce1 devis$ ! limit ( law & ord]1 :]eby1 z y say1 ,philebus1 %e torm5ts1 or z ,i ma9ta91 deliv]s ! s\l4--,:at ?9k y1 ,prot>*us8 ,,prot>*us3 ,h] ways are mu* to my m9d1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,y w obs]ve t ,i h spok5 ( ?ree classes8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 ,i ?9k t ,i und]/& y3 y mean to say t ! inf9ite is "o class1 & t ! f9ite is a second class ( exi/5ces2 b :at y w\ld make ! ?ird ,i am n s c]ta94 ,,socrates3 ,t is because ! amaz+ v>iety ( ! ?ird class is too mu* = y1 my de> fri5d2 b !re 0 n ?is difficulty ) ! inf9ite1 :i* also compreh5d$ _m classes1 = all ( !m 7 seal$ ) ! note ( m & less1 & !re=e appe>$ "o4 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! f9ite or limit _h n _m divisions1 & we readily ackn[l$g$ x to be by nature "o8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,yes1 inde$2 & :5 ,i speak ( ! ?ird class1 und]/& me to mean any (fspr+ ( ^!1 be+ a bir? into true be+1 effect$ by ! measure :i* ! limit introduces4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i und]/&4 ,,socrates3 ,/ill !re 01 z we said1 a f\r? class to be inve/igat$1 & y mu/ assi/ 9 ! inve/igation2 = does n ev]y?+ :i* comes into be+1 ( necessity come into be+ ?r\gh a cause8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 c]ta9ly2 = h[ c !re be any?+ :i* has no cause8 ,,socrates3 ,& is n ! ag5t ! same z ! cause 9 all except "n2 ! ag5t & ! cause may be rightly call$ "o8 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! same may be said ( ! pati5t1 or effect2 we %all f9d t !y too diff]1 z ,i 0 say+1 only 9 "n--%all we n8 ,,prot>*us3 ,we %all4 ,,socrates3 ,! ag5t or cause always naturally leads1 & ! pati5t or effect naturally foll[s x8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,!n ! cause & :at is subord9ate to x 9 g5]ation are n ! same1 b diff]5t8 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,did n ! ?+s :i* 7 g5]at$1 & ! ?+s out ( :i* !y 7 g5]at$1 furni% all ! ?ree classes8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! creator or cause ( !m has be5 satisfactorily prov5 to be di/9ct f !m1--& may !re=e be call$ a f\r? pr9ciple8 ,,prot>*us3 ,s let u call x4 ,,socrates3 ,q "r2 b n[1 hav+ di/+ui%$ ! f\r1 ,i ?9k t we _h bett] refre% our memories by recapitulat+ ea* ( !m 9 ord]4 ,,prot>*us3 ,by all means4 ,,socrates3 ,!n ! fir/ ,i w call ! inf9ite or unlimit$1 & ! second ! f9ite or limit$2 !n foll[s ! ?ird1 an ess5ce comp\nd & g5]at$2 & ,i d n ?9k t ,i %all be f> wrong 9 speak+ ( ! cause ( mixture & g5]ation z ! f\r?4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly n4 ,,socrates3 ,& n[ :at is ! next "q1 & h[ came we hi!r8 ,7 we n enquir+ :e!r ! second place belong$ to pleasure or wisdom8 ,,prot>*us3 ,we 74 ,,socrates3 ,& n[1 hav+ det]m9$ ^! po9ts1 %all we n be bett] able to decide ab\t ! fir/ & second place1 :i* 0 ! orig9al subject ( dispute8 ,,prot>*us3 ,i d>e say4 ,,socrates3 ,we said1 if y rememb]1 t ! mix$ life ( pleasure & wisdom 0 ! conqu]or--did we n8 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,& we see :at is ! place & nature ( ?is life & to :at class x is to be assign$8 ,,prot>*us3 ,beyond a d\bt4 ,,socrates3 ,?is is evid5tly compreh5d$ 9 ! ?ird or mix$ class2 :i* is n compos$ ( any two p>ticul> +r$i5ts1 b ( all ! elem5ts ( inf9ity1 b\nd d[n by ! f9ite1 & may !re=e be truly said to compreh5d ! conqu]or life4 ,,prot>*us3 ,mo/ true4 ,,socrates3 ,& :at %all we say1 ,philebus1 ( y\r life :i* is all sweetness2 & 9 :i* ( ! a=esaid classes is t to be plac$8 ,p]haps y w all[ me to ask y a "q be=e y answ]8 ,,philebus3 ,let me he>4 ,,socrates3 ,h pleasure & pa9 a limit1 or d !y belong to ! class :i* admits ( m & less8 ,,philebus3 ,!y belong to ! class :i* admits ( m1 ,socrates2 = pleasure w\ld n be p]fectly good if %e 7 n inf9ite 9 quantity & degree4 ,,socrates3 ,nor w\ld pa91 ,philebus1 be p]fectly evil4 ,& !re=e ! inf9ite _c be t elem5t :i* imp>ts to pleasure "s degree ( good4 ,b n[--admitt+1 if y l1 t pleasure is ( ! nature ( ! inf9ite--9 :i* ( ! a=esaid classes1 ,o ,prot>*us & ,philebus1 c we )\t irrev]5ce place wisdom & k & m9d8 ,& let u be c>eful1 = ,i ?9k t ! dang] w be v s]i\s if we err on ?is po9t4 ,,philebus3 ,y magnify1 ,socrates1 ! importance ( y\r fav\rite god4 ,,socrates3 ,& y1 my fri5d1 are also magnify+ y\r fav\rite goddess2 b /ill ,i mu/ beg y to answ] ! "q4 ,,prot>*us3 ,socrates is q "r1 ,philebus1 & we mu/ submit to him4 ,,philebus3 ,& did n y1 ,prot>*us1 propose to answ] 9 my place8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly ,i did2 b ,i am n[ 9 a great /rait1 & ,i mu/ entreat y1 ,socrates1 to be our spokesman1 & !n we %all n say any?+ wrong or disrespectful ( y\r fav\rite4 ,,socrates3 ,i mu/ obey y1 ,prot>*us2 nor is ! task :i* y impose a difficult "o2 b did ,i really1 z ,philebus implies1 disconc]t y ) my playful solemnity1 :5 ,i ask$ ! "q to :at class m9d & k belong8 ,,prot>*us3 ,y did1 inde$1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,yet ! answ] is easy1 s9ce all philosoph]s ass]t ) "o voice t m9d is ! k+ ( heav5 & e>?--9 reality !y are magnify+ !mselves4 ,& p]haps !y are "r4 ,b /ill ,i %\ld l to consid] ! class ( m9d1 if y d n object1 a little m fully4 ,,philebus3 ,take y\r own c\rse1 ,socrates1 & nev] m9d l5g?2 we %all n tire ( y4 ,,socrates3 ,v good2 let u beg9 !n1 ,prot>*us1 by ask+ a "q4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at "q8 ,,socrates3 ,:e!r all ?is :i* !y call ! univ]se is left to ! guidance ( unreason & *ance m$ley1 or1 on ! contr>y1 z our fa!rs h decl>$1 ord]$ & gov]n$ by a m>vell\s intellig5ce & wisdom4 ,,prot>*us3 ,wide asund] are ! two ass]tions1 illu/ri\s ,socrates1 = t :i* y 7 j n[ say+ to me appe>s to be blasphemy2 b ! o!r ass]tion1 t m9d ord]s all ?+s1 is wor?y ( ! aspect ( ! _w1 & ( ! sun1 & ( ! moon1 & ( ! />s & ( ! :ole circle ( ! heav5s2 & nev] w ,i say or ?9k o!rwise4 ,,socrates3 ,%all we !n agree ) !m ( old "t 9 ma9ta9+ ?is doctr9e1--n m]ely reass]t+ ! notions ( o!rs1 )\t risk to ourselves1--b %all we %>e 9 ! dang]1 & take our "p ( ! reproa* :i* w await u1 :5 an +5i\s individual decl>es t all is disord]8 ,,prot>*us3 ,t w\ld c]ta9ly be my wi%4 ,,socrates3 ,!n n[ please to consid] ! next /age ( ! argum5t4 ,,prot>*us3 ,let me he>4 ,,socrates3 ,we see t ! elem5ts :i* ent] into ! nature ( ! bodies ( all animals1 fire1 wat]1 air1 &1 z ! /orm-toss$ sailor cries1 'l&' 7i4e41 e>?71 reappe> 9 ! con/itution ( ! _w4 ,,prot>*us3 ,! prov]b may be appli$ to u2 = truly ! /orm ga!rs ov] u1 & we are at our wit's end4 ,,socrates3 ,!re is some?+ to be rem>k$ ab\t ea* ( ^! elem5ts4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at is x8 ,,socrates3 ,only a small fraction ( any "o ( !m exi/s 9 u1 & t ( a mean sort1 & n 9 any way pure1 or hav+ any p[] wor?y ( its nature4 ,"o in/ance w prove ?is ( all ( !m2 !re is fire )9 u1 & 9 ! univ]se4 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,& is n our fire small & weak & mean8 ,b ! fire 9 ! univ]se is wond]ful 9 quantity & beauty1 & 9 e p[] t fire has4 ,,prot>*us3 ,mo/ true4 ,,socrates3 ,& is ! fire 9 ! univ]se n\ri%$ & g5]at$ & rul$ by ! fire 9 u1 or is ! fire 9 y & me1 & 9 o!r animals1 dep5d5t on ! univ]sal fire8 ,,prot>*us3 ,t is a "q :i* does n des]ve an answ]4 ,,socrates3 ,"r2 & y w\ld say ! same1 if ,i am n mi/ak51 ( ! e>? :i* is 9 animals & ! e>? :i* is 9 ! univ]se1 & y w\ld give a simil> reply ab\t all ! o!r elem5ts8 ,,prot>*us3 ,:y1 h[ c\ld any man :o gave any o!r be deem$ 9 8 s5ses8 ,,socrates3 ,i d n ?9k t he c\ld--b n[ g on to ! next /ep4 ,:5 we saw ^? elem5ts ( :i* we h be5 speak+ ga!r$ up 9 "o1 did we n call !m a body8 ,,prot>*us3 ,we did4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! same may be said ( ! cosmos1 :i* = ! same reason may be consid]$ to be a body1 because made up ( ! same elem5ts4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true4 ,,socrates3 ,b is our body n\ri%$ :olly by ?is body1 or is ?is body n\ri%$ by our body1 !nce d]iv+ & hav+ ! qualities ( :i* we 7 j n[ speak+8 ,,prot>*us3 ,t aga91 ,socrates1 is a "q :i* does n des]ve to be ask$4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 tell me1 is ?is "q wor? ask+8 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at "q8 ,,socrates3 ,may our body be said to h a s\l8 ,,prot>*us3 ,cle>ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& :5ce comes t s\l1 my de> ,prot>*us1 unless ! body ( ! univ]se1 :i* conta9s elem5ts l ^? 9 our bodies b 9 e way fair]1 _h also a s\l8 ,c !re be ano!r s\rce8 ,,prot>*us3 ,cle>ly1 ,socrates1 t is ! only s\rce4 ,,socrates3 ,:y1 yes1 ,prot>*us2 = surely we _c imag9e t ( ! f\r classes1 ! f9ite1 ! inf9ite1 ! composition ( ! two1 & ! cause1 ! f\r?1 :i* ent]s into all ?+s1 giv+ to our bodies s\ls1 & ! art ( self-managem5t1 & ( heal+ disease1 & op]at+ 9 o!r ways to heal & organize1 hav+ too all ! attributes ( wisdom2--we _c1 ,i say1 imag9e t :]eas ! self-same elem5ts exi/1 bo? 9 ! entire heav5 & 9 great prov9ces ( ! heav51 only fair] & pur]1 ?is la/ %\ld n also 9 t high] sph]e h design$ ! noble/ & faire/ ?+s8 ,,prot>*us3 ,su* a supposition is q unreasonable4 ,,socrates3 ,!n if ?is be d5i$1 %\ld we n be wise 9 adopt+ ! o!r view & ma9ta9+ t !re is 9 ! univ]se a mighty inf9ite & an adequate limit1 ( :i* we h (t5 spok51 z well z a presid+ cause ( no mean p[]1 :i* ord]s & arranges ye>s & seasons & mon?s1 & may be ju/ly call$ wisdom & m9d8 ,,prot>*us3 ,mo/ ju/ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& wisdom & m9d _c exi/ )\t s\l8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly n4 ,,socrates3 ,& 9 ! div9e nature ( ,zeus w\ld y n say t !re is ! s\l & m9d ( a k+1 because !re is 9 him ! p[] ( ! cause8 ,& o!r gods h o!r attributes1 by :i* !y are pleas$ to be call$4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true4 ,,socrates3 ,d n !n suppose t ^! words are ra%ly spok5 by u1 ,o ,prot>*us1 = !y are 9 h>mony ) ! te/imony ( ^? :o said ( old "t t m9d rules ! univ]se4 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,& !y furni% an answ] to my enquiry2 = !y imply t m9d is ! p>5t ( t class ( ! f\r :i* we call$ ! cause ( all2 & ,i ?9k t y n[ h my answ]4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i h inde$1 & yet ,i did n obs]ve t y _h answ]$4 ,,socrates3 ,a je/ is sometimes refre%+1 ,prot>*us1 :5 x int]rupts e>ne/4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true4 ,,socrates3 ,i ?9k1 fri5d1 t we h n[ pretty cle>ly set =? ! class to :i* m9d belongs & :at is ! p[] ( m9d4 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! class to :i* pleasure belongs has also be5 long ago discov]$8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,& let u rememb]1 too1 ( bo? ( !m1 7#a7 t m9d 0 ak9 to ! cause & ( ?is family2 & 7#b7 t pleasure is inf9ite & belongs to ! class :i* nei!r has1 nor ev] w h 9 itself1 a beg9n+1 middle1 or end ( its own4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i %all be sure to rememb]4 ,,socrates3 ,we mu/ next exam9e :at is _! place & "u :at conditions !y are g5]at$4 ,& we w beg9 ) pleasure1 s9ce h] class 0 fir/ exam9$2 & yet pleasure _c be rightly te/$ ap>t f pa94 ,,prot>*us3 ,if ?is is ! road1 let u take x4 ,,socrates3 ,i wond] :e!r y w\ld agree ) me ab\t ! orig9 ( pleasure & pa94 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at d y mean8 ,,socrates3 ,i mean to say t _! natural seat is 9 ! mix$ class4 ,,prot>*us3 ,& w\ld y tell me aga91 sweet ,socrates1 :i* ( ! a=esaid classes is ! mix$ "o8 ,,socrates3 ,i w1 my f9e fell[1 to ! be/ ( my ability4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v good4 ,,socrates3 ,let u !n und]/& ! mix$ class to be t :i* we plac$ ?ird 9 ! li/ ( f\r4 ,,prot>*us3 ,t :i* foll[$ ! inf9ite & ! f9ite2 & 9 :i* y rank$ heal?1 &1 if ,i am n mi/ak51 h>mony4 ,,socrates3 ,capital2 & n[ w y please to give me y\r be/ att5tion8 ,,prot>*us3 ,proce$2 ,i am att5d+4 ,,socrates3 ,i say t :5 ! h>mony 9 animals is dissolv$1 !re is also a dissolution ( nature & a g5]ation ( pa94 ,,prot>*us3 ,t is v probable4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! re/oration ( h>mony & return to nature is ! s\rce ( pleasure1 if ,i may be all[$ to speak 9 ! fewe/ & %orte/ words ab\t matt]s ( ! greate/ mom5t4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i believe t y are "r1 ,socrates2 b w y try to be a little pla9]8 ,,socrates3 ,d n obvi\s & e-day ph5om5a furni% ! simple/ illu/ration8 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at ph5om5a d y mean8 ,,socrates3 ,hung]1 = example1 is a dissolution & a pa94 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,:]eas eat+ is a repl5i%m5t & a pleasure8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,?ir/ aga9 is a de/ruction & a pa91 b ! effect ( moi/ure repl5i%+ ! dry place is a pleasure3 once m1 ! unnatural sep>ation & dissolution caus$ by heat is pa9ful1 & ! natural re/oration & refrig]ation is pleasant4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! unnatural freez+ ( ! moi/ure 9 an animal is pa91 & ! natural process ( resolution & return ( ! elem5ts to _! orig9al /ate is pleasure4 ,& w\ld n ! g5]al proposition seem to y to hold1 t ! de/roy+ ( ! natural union ( ! f9ite & inf9ite1 :i*1 z ,i 0 obs]v+ be=e1 make up ! class ( liv+ be+s1 is pa91 & t ! process ( return ( all ?+s to _! own nature is pleasure8 ,,prot>*us3 ,grant$2 :at y say has a g5]al tru?4 ,,socrates3 ,"h !n is "o k9d ( pleasures & pa9s orig9at+ sev]ally 9 ! two processes :i* we h describ$8 ,,prot>*us3 ,good4 ,,socrates3 ,let u next assume t 9 ! s\l h]self !re is an antec$5t hope ( pleasure :i* is sweet & refre%+1 & an expectation ( pa91 fe>ful & anxi\s4 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes2 ?is is ano!r class ( pleasures & pa9s1 :i* is ( ! s\l only1 ap>t f ! body1 & is produc$ by expectation4 ,,socrates3 ,"r2 = 9 ! analysis ( ^!1 pure1 z ,i suppose !m to be1 ! pleasures be+ unalloy$ ) pa9 & ! pa9s ) pleasure1 me?9ks t we %all see cle>ly :e!r ! :ole class ( pleasure is to be desir$1 or :e!r ?is quality ( entire desirabl5ess is n r to be attribut$ to ano!r ( ! classes :i* h be5 m5tion$2 & :e!r pleasure & pa91 l heat & cold1 & o!r ?+s ( ! same k9d1 are n sometimes to be desir$ & sometimes n to be desir$1 z be+ n 9 !mselves good1 b only sometimes & 9 "s in/ances admitt+ ( ! nature ( good4 ,,prot>*us3 ,y say mo/ truly t ?is is ! track :i* ! inve/igation %\ld pursue4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 !n1 assum+ t pa9 ensues on ! dissolution1 & pleasure on ! re/oration ( ! h>mony1 let u n[ ask :at w be ! condition ( animat$ be+s :o are nei!r 9 process ( re/oration nor ( dissolution4 ,& m9d :at y say3 ,i ask :e!r any animal :o is 9 t condition c possibly h any feel+ ( pleasure or pa91 great or small8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly n4 ,,socrates3 ,!n "h we h a ?ird /ate1 ov] & above t ( pleasure & ( pa98 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true4 ,,socrates3 ,& d n =get t !re is su* a /ate2 x w make a great diff]5ce 9 our judgm5t ( pleasure1 :e!r we rememb] ?is or n4 ,& ,i %\ld l to say a few words ab\t x4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at h y to say8 ,,socrates3 ,:y1 y "k t if a man *ooses ! life ( wisdom1 !re is no reason :y he %\ld n live 9 ?is neutral /ate4 ,,prot>*us3 ,y mean t he may live nei!r rejoic+ nor sorr[+8 ,,socrates3 ,yes2 & if ,i rememb] rightly1 :5 ! lives 7 comp>$1 no degree ( pleasure1 :e!r great or small1 0 ?\ght to be necess>y to him :o *ose ! life ( ?\ght & wisdom4 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 c]ta9ly1 we said s4 ,,socrates3 ,!n he w live )\t pleasure2 & :o kn[s :e!r ?is may n be ! mo/ div9e ( all lives8 ,,prot>*us3 ,if s1 ! gods1 at any rate1 _c be suppos$ to h ei!r joy or sorr[4 ,,socrates3 ,c]ta9ly n--!re w\ld be a great impropriety 9 ! assumption ( ei!r alt]native4 ,b :e!r ! gods are or are n indiff]5t to pleasure is a po9t :i* may be consid]$ h]eaft] if 9 any way relevant to ! argum5t1 & :atev] is ! conclusion we w place x to ! acc\nt ( m9d 9 h] conte/ = ! second place1 %\ld %e h to resign ! fir/4 ,,prot>*us3 ,j s4 ,,socrates3 ,! o!r class ( pleasures1 :i* z we 7 say+ is purely m5tal1 is entirely d]iv$ f memory4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at d y mean8 ,,socrates3 ,i mu/ fir/ ( all analyze memory1 or r p]ception :i* is prior to memory1 if ! subject ( our discussion is ev] to be prop]ly cle>$ up4 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[ w y proce$8 ,,socrates3 ,let u imag9e affections ( ! body :i* are ext+ui%$ be=e !y rea* ! s\l1 & leave h] unaffect$2 & aga91 o!r affections :i* vibrate ?r\gh bo? s\l & body1 & imp>t a %ock to bo? & to ea* ( !m4 ,,prot>*us3 ,grant$4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! s\l may be truly said to be oblivi\s ( ! fir/ b n ( ! second8 ,,prot>*us3 ,q true4 ,,socrates3 ,:5 ,i say oblivi\s1 d n suppose t ,i mean =getfulness 9 a lit]al s5se2 = =getfulness is ! exit ( memory1 :i* 9 ?is case has n yet ent]$2 & to speak ( ! loss ( t :i* is n yet 9 exi/5ce1 & nev] has be51 is a contradiction2 d y see8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,!n j be s good z to *ange ! t]ms4 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[ %all ,i *ange !m8 ,,socrates3 ,in/ead ( ! oblivion ( ! s\l1 :5 y are describ+ ! /ate 9 :i* %e is unaffect$ by ! %ocks ( ! body1 say unconsci\sness4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i see4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! union or communion ( s\l & body 9 "o feel+ & motion w\ld be prop]ly call$ consci\sness8 ,,prot>*us3 ,mo/ true4 ,,socrates3 ,!n n[ we "k ! mean+ ( ! ^w8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,& memory may1 ,i ?9k1 be rightly describ$ z ! pres]vation ( consci\sness8 ,,prot>*us3 ,"r4 ,,socrates3 ,b d we n di/+ui% memory f recollection8 ,,prot>*us3 ,i ?9k s4 ,,socrates3 ,& d we n mean by recollection ! p[] :i* ! s\l has ( recov]+1 :5 by h]self1 "s feel+ :i* %e exp]i5c$ :5 9 company ) ! body8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& :5 %e recov]s ( h]self ! lo/ recollection ( "s consci\sness or k1 ! recov]y is t]m$ recollection & rem9isc5ce8 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true4 ,,socrates3 ,!re is a reason :y ,i say all ?is4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at is x8 ,,socrates3 ,i want to atta9 ! pla9e/ possible notion ( pleasure & desire1 z !y exi/ 9 ! m9d only1 ap>t f ! body2 & ! previ\s analysis helps to %[ ! nature ( bo?4 ,,prot>*us3 ,!n n[1 ,socrates1 let u proce$ to ! next po9t4 ,,socrates3 ,!re are c]ta9ly _m ?+s to be consid]$ 9 discuss+ ! g5]ation & :ole complexion ( pleasure4 ,at ! outset we mu/ det]m9e ! nature & seat ( desire4 ,,prot>*us3 ,ay2 let u enquire into t1 = we %all lose no?+4 ,,socrates3 ,nay1 ,prot>*us1 we %all surely lose ! puzzle if we f9d ! answ]4 ,,prot>*us3 ,a fair retort2 b let u proce$4 ,,socrates3 ,did we n place hung]1 ?ir/1 & ! l1 9 ! class ( desires8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& yet !y are v diff]5t2 :at common nature h we 9 view :5 we call !m by a s+le "n8 ,,prot>*us3 ,by heav5s1 ,socrates1 t is a "q :i* is n easily answ]$2 b x mu/ be answ]$4 ,,socrates3 ,!n let u g back to our examples4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:]e %all we beg98 ,,socrates3 ,d we mean any?+ :5 we say 'a man ?ir/s'8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,we mean to say t he 'is empty'8 ,,prot>*us3 ,( c\rse4 ,,socrates3 ,& is n ?ir/ desire8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 ( dr9k4 ,,socrates3 ,w\ld y say ( dr9k1 or ( repl5i%m5t ) dr9k8 ,,prot>*us3 ,i %\ld say1 ( repl5i%m5t ) dr9k4 ,,socrates3 ,!n he :o is empty desires1 z w\ld appe>1 ! opposite ( :at he exp]i5ces2 = he is empty & desires to be full8 ,,prot>*us3 ,cle>ly s4 ,,socrates3 ,b h[ c a man :o is empty = ! fir/ "t1 atta9 ei!r by p]ception or memory to any appreh5sion ( repl5i%m5t1 ( :i* he has no pres5t or pa/ exp]i5ce8 ,,prot>*us3 ,impossible4 ,,socrates3 ,& yet he :o desires1 surely desires some?+8 ,,prot>*us3 ,( c\rse4 ,,socrates3 ,he does n desire t :i* he exp]i5ces1 = he exp]i5ces ?ir/1 & ?ir/ is empt9ess2 b he desires repl5i%m5t8 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,!n !re mu/ be some?+ 9 ! ?ir/y man :i* 9 "s way appreh5ds repl5i%m5t8 ,,prot>*us3 ,!re mu/4 ,,socrates3 ,& t _c be ! body1 = ! body is suppos$ to be empti$8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,! only rema9+ alt]native is t ! s\l appreh5ds ! repl5i%m5t by ! help ( memory2 z is obvi\s1 = :at o!r way c !re be8 ,,prot>*us3 ,i _c imag9e any o!r4 ,,socrates3 ,b d y see ! consequ5ce8 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at is x8 ,,socrates3 ,t !re is no su* ?+ z desire ( ! body4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:y s8 ,,socrates3 ,:y1 because ! argum5t %[s t ! endeav\r ( e animal is to ! rev]se ( 8 bodily /ate4 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! impulse :i* leads him to ! opposite ( :at he is exp]i5c+ proves t he has a memory ( ! opposite /ate4 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! argum5t1 hav+ prov$ t memory attracts u t[>ds ! objects ( desire1 proves also t ! impulses & ! desires & ! mov+ pr9ciple 9 e liv+ be+ h _! orig9 9 ! s\l4 ,,prot>*us3 ,mo/ true4 ,,socrates3 ,! argum5t w n all[ t our body ei!r hung]s or ?ir/s or has any simil> exp]i5ce4 ,,prot>*us3 ,q "r4 ,,socrates3 ,let me make a fur!r obs]vation2 ! argum5t appe>s to me to imply t !re is a k9d ( life :i* consi/s 9 ^! affections4 ,,prot>*us3 ,( :at affections1 & ( :at k9d ( life1 are y speak+8 ,,socrates3 ,i am speak+ ( be+ empti$ & repl5i%$1 & ( all t relates to ! pres]vation & de/ruction ( liv+ be+s1 z well z ( ! pa9 :i* is felt 9 "o ( ^! /ates & ( ! pleasure :i* succe$s to x4 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,& :at w\ld y say ( ! int]m$iate /ate8 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at d y mean by 'int]m$iate'8 ,,socrates3 ,i mean :5 a p]son is 9 actual suff]+ & yet rememb]s pa/ pleasures :i*1 if !y w\ld only return1 w\ld relieve him2 b z yet he has !m n4 ,may we n say ( him1 t he is 9 an int]m$iate /ate8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,w\ld y say t he 0 :olly pa9$ or :olly pleas$8 ,,prot>*us3 ,nay1 ,i %\ld say t he has two pa9s2 9 8 body !re is ! actual exp]i5ce ( pa91 & 9 8 s\l long+ & expectation4 ,,socrates3 ,:at d y mean1 ,prot>*us1 by ! two pa9s8 ,may n a man :o is empty h at "o "t a sure hope ( be+ fill$1 & at o!r times be q 9 despair8 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true4 ,,socrates3 ,& has he n ! pleasure ( memory :5 he is hop+ to be fill$1 & yet 9 t he is empty is he n at ! same "t 9 pa98 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,!n man & ! o!r animals h at ! same "t bo? pleasure & pa98 ,,prot>*us3 ,i suppose s4 ,,socrates3 ,b :5 a man is empty & has no hope ( be+ fill$1 !re w be ! d\ble exp]i5ce ( pa94 ,y obs]v$ ?is & inf]r$ t ! d\ble exp]i5ce 0 ! s+le case possible4 ,,prot>*us3 ,q true1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,%all ! enquiry into ^! /ates ( feel+ be made ! occasion ( rais+ a "q8 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at "q8 ,,socrates3 ,:e!r we ought to say t ! pleasures & pa9s ( :i* we are speak+ are true or false8 or "s true & "s false8 ,,prot>*us3 ,b h[1 ,socrates1 c !re be false pleasures & pa9s8 ,,socrates3 ,& h[1 ,prot>*us1 c !re be true & false fe>s1 or true & false expectations1 or true & false op9ions8 ,,prot>*us3 ,i grant t op9ions may be true or false1 b n pleasures4 ,,socrates3 ,:at d y mean8 ,i am afraid t we are rais+ a v s]i\s enquiry4 ,,prot>*us3 ,!re ,i agree4 ,,socrates3 ,& yet1 my boy1 = y are "o ( ,philebus' boys1 ! po9t to be consid]$1 is1 :e!r ! enquiry is relevant to ! argum5t4 ,,prot>*us3 ,surely4 ,,socrates3 ,no t$i\s & irrelevant discussion c be all[$2 :at is said %\ld be p]t95t4 ,,prot>*us3 ,"r4 ,,socrates3 ,i am always wond]+ at ! "q :i* has n[ be5 rais$4 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[ s8 ,,socrates3 ,d y d5y t "s pleasures are false1 & o!rs true8 ,,prot>*us3 ,to be sure ,i d4 ,,socrates3 ,w\ld y say t no "o ev] seem$ to rejoice & yet did n rejoice1 or seem$ to feel pa9 & yet did n feel pa91 sleep+ or wak+1 mad or lunatic8 ,,prot>*us3 ,s we h always held1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,b 7 y "r8 ,%all we enquire into ! tru? ( y\r op9ion8 ,,prot>*us3 ,i ?9k t we %\ld4 ,,socrates3 ,let u !n put into m precise t]ms ! "q :i* has aris5 ab\t pleasure & op9ion4 ,is !re su* a ?+ z op9ion8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,& su* a ?+ z pleasure8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,& an op9ion mu/ be ( some?+8 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,& a man mu/ be pleas$ by some?+8 ,,prot>*us3 ,q correct4 ,,socrates3 ,& :e!r ! op9ion be "r or wrong1 makes no diff]5ce2 x w /ill be an op9ion8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& he :o is pleas$1 :e!r he is rightly pleas$ or n1 w always h a real feel+ ( pleasure8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes2 t is also q true4 ,,socrates3 ,!n1 h[ c op9ion be bo? true & false1 & pleasure true only1 al?\gh pleasure & op9ion are bo? equally real8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes2 t is ! "q4 ,,socrates3 ,y mean t op9ion admits ( tru? & falsehood1 & h5ce becomes n m]ely op9ion1 b op9ion ( a c]ta9 quality2 & ?is is :at y ?9k %\ld be exam9$8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,& fur!r1 ev5 if we admit ! exi/5ce ( qualities 9 o!r objects1 may n pleasure & pa9 be simple & devoid ( quality8 ,,prot>*us3 ,cle>ly4 ,,socrates3 ,b !re is no difficulty 9 see+ t pleasure & pa9 z well z op9ion h qualities1 = !y are great or small1 & h v>i\s degrees ( int5sity2 z 0 inde$ said long ago by u4 ,,prot>*us3 ,q true4 ,,socrates3 ,& if badness atta*es to any ( !m1 ,prot>*us1 !n we %\ld speak ( a bad op9ion or ( a bad pleasure8 ,,prot>*us3 ,q true1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,& if rightness atta*es to any ( !m1 %\ld we n speak ( a "r op9ion or "r pleasure2 & 9 l mann] ( ! rev]se ( rightness8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& if ! ?+ op9$ be errone\s1 might we n say t ! op9ion1 be+ errone\s1 is n "r or rightly op9$8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& if we see a pleasure or pa9 :i* errs 9 respect ( its object1 %all we call t "r or good1 or by any hon\rable "n8 ,,prot>*us3 ,n if ! pleasure is mi/ak52 h[ c\ld we8 ,,socrates3 ,& surely pleasure (t5 appe>s to accompany an op9ion :i* is n true1 b false8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly x does2 & 9 t case1 ,socrates1 z we 7 say+1 ! op9ion is false1 b no "o c\ld call ! actual pleasure false4 ,,socrates3 ,h[ eag]ly1 ,prot>*us1 d y ru% to ! def5ce ( pleasure6 ,,prot>*us3 ,nay1 ,socrates1 ,i only repeat :at ,i he>4 ,,socrates3 ,& is !re no diff]5ce1 my fri5d1 betwe5 t pleasure :i* is associat$ ) "r op9ion & k1 & t :i* is (t5 f\nd 9 all ( u associat$ ) falsehood & ignorance8 ,,prot>*us3 ,!re mu/ be a v great diff]5ce1 betwe5 !m4 ,,socrates3 ,!n1 n[ let u proce$ to contemplate ?is diff]5ce4 ,,prot>*us3 ,lead1 & ,i w foll[4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 !n1 my view is-- ,,prot>*us3 ,:at is x8 ,,socrates3 ,we agree--d we n8--t !re is su* a ?+ z false1 & also su* a ?+ z true op9ion8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,& pleasure & pa91 z ,i 0 j n[ say+1 are (t5 consequ5t ^u ^!--^u true & false op9ion1 ,i mean4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true4 ,,socrates3 ,& d n op9ion & ! endeav\r to =m an op9ion always spr+ f memory & p]ception8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,might we imag9e ! process to be some?+ ( ?is nature8 ,,prot>*us3 ,( :at nature8 ,,socrates3 ,an object may be (t5 se5 at a di/ance n v cle>ly1 & ! se] may want to det]m9e :at x is :i* he sees4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v likely4 ,,socrates3 ,soon he beg9s to int]rogate himself4 ,,prot>*us3 ,9 :at mann]8 ,,socrates3 ,he asks himself--',:at is t :i* appe>s to be /&+ by ! rock "u ! tree8' ,?is is ! "q :i* he may be suppos$ to put to himself :5 he sees su* an appe>ance4 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,to :i* he may guess ! "r answ]1 say+ z if 9 a :isp] to himself--',x is a man4' ,,prot>*us3 ,v good4 ,,socrates3 ,or aga91 he may be misl$1 & !n he w say--',no1 x is a figure made by ! %eph]ds4' ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,& if he has a companion1 he repeats 8 ?\ght to him 9 articulate s\nds1 & :at 0 be=e an op9ion1 has n[ become a proposition4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,b if he be walk+ alone :5 ^! ?\ghts occur to him1 he may n unfrequ5tly keep !m 9 8 m9d = a consid]able "t4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 n[1 ,i wond] :e!r y w\ld agree 9 my explanation ( ?is ph5om5on4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at is y\r explanation8 ,,socrates3 ,i ?9k t ! s\l at su* times is l a book4 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[ s8 ,,socrates3 ,memory & p]ception meet1 & !y & _! att5dant feel+s seem to almo/ to write d[n words 9 ! s\l1 & :5 ! inscrib+ feel+ writes truly1 !n true op9ion & true propositions :i* are ! expressions ( op9ion come into our s\ls--b :5 ! scribe )9 u writes falsely1 ! result is false4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i q ass5t & agree to y\r /atem5t4 ,,socrates3 ,i mu/ bespeak y\r fav\r also = ano!r arti/1 :o is busy at ! same "t 9 ! *amb]s ( ! s\l4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:o is he8 ,,socrates3 ,! pa9t]1 :o1 aft] ! scribe has done 8 "w1 draws images 9 ! s\l ( ! ?+s :i* he has describ$4 ,,prot>*us3 ,b :5 & h[ does he d ?is8 ,,socrates3 ,:5 a man1 besides receiv+ f sight or "s o!r s5se c]ta9 op9ions or /atem5ts1 sees 9 8 m9d ! images ( ! subjects ( !m2--is n ?is a v common m5tal ph5om5on8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! images answ]+ to true op9ions & words are true1 & to false op9ions & words false2 are !y n8 ,,prot>*us3 ,!y are4 ,,socrates3 ,if we are "r s f>1 !re arises a fur!r "q4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at is x8 ,,socrates3 ,:e!r we exp]i5ce ! feel+ ( :i* ,i am speak+ only 9 relation to ! pres5t & ! pa/1 or 9 relation to ! future also8 ,,prot>*us3 ,i %\ld say 9 relation to all times alike4 ,,socrates3 ,h n purely m5tal pleasures & pa9s be5 describ$ already z 9 "s cases anticipations ( ! bodily ones2 f :i* we may inf] t anticipatory pleasures & pa9s h to d ) ! future8 ,,prot>*us3 ,mo/ true4 ,,socrates3 ,& d all ^? writ+s & pa9t+s :i*1 z we 7 say+ a little :ile ago1 are produc$ 9 u1 relate to ! pa/ & pres5t only1 & n to ! future8 ,,prot>*us3 ,to ! future1 v mu*4 ,,socrates3 ,:5 y say1 ',v mu*1' y mean to imply t all ^! repres5tations are hopes ab\t ! future1 & t mank9d are fill$ ) hopes 9 e /age ( exi/5ce8 ,,prot>*us3 ,exactly4 ,,socrates3 ,answ] me ano!r "q4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at "q8 ,,socrates3 ,a j & pi\s & good man is ! fri5d ( ! gods2 is he n8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly he is4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! unju/ & utt]ly bad man is ! rev]se8 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,& all m51 z we 7 say+ j n[1 are always fill$ ) hopes8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& ^! hopes1 z !y are t]m$1 are propositions :i* exi/ 9 ! m9ds ( ea* ( u8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! fancies ( hope are also pictur$ 9 u2 a man may (t5 h a vision ( a heap ( gold1 & pleasures ensu+1 & 9 ! picture !re may be a lik5ess ( himself mightily rejoic+ ov] 8 good =tune4 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,& may we n say t ! good1 be+ fri5ds ( ! gods1 h g5]ally true pictures pres5t$ to !m1 & ! bad false pictures8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,! bad1 too1 h pleasures pa9t$ 9 _! fancy z well z ! good2 b ,i presume t !y are false pleasures4 ,,prot>*us3 ,!y are4 ,,socrates3 ,! bad !n commonly delight 9 false pleasures1 & ! good 9 true pleasures8 ,,prot>*us3 ,d\btless4 ,,socrates3 ,!n ^u ?is view !re are false pleasures 9 ! s\ls ( m5 :i* are a ludicr\s imitation ( ! true1 & !re are pa9s ( a simil> "*8 ,,prot>*us3 ,!re are4 ,,socrates3 ,& did we n all[ t a man :o _h an op9ion at all _h a real op9ion1 b (t5 ab\t ?+s :i* _h no exi/5ce ei!r 9 ! pa/1 pres5t1 or future8 ,,prot>*us3 ,q true4 ,,socrates3 ,& ?is 0 ! s\rce ( false op9ion & op9+2 am ,i n "r8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,& mu/ we n attribute to pleasure & pa9 a simil> real b illusory "*8 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[ d y mean8 ,,socrates3 ,i mean to say t a man mu/ be admitt$ to h real pleasure :o is pleas$ ) any?+ or anyh[2 & he may be pleas$ ab\t ?+s :i* nei!r h nor h ev] _h any real exi/5ce1 &1 m (t5 ?an n1 are nev] likely to exi/4 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 ,socrates1 t aga9 is und5iable4 ,,socrates3 ,& may n ! same be said ab\t fe> & ang] & ! l2 are !y n (t5 false8 ,,prot>*us3 ,q s4 ,,socrates3 ,& c op9ions be good or bad except 9 z f> z !y are true or false8 ,,prot>*us3 ,9 no o!r way4 ,,socrates3 ,nor c pleasures be conceiv$ to be bad except 9 s f> z !y are false4 ,,prot>*us3 ,nay1 ,socrates1 t is ! v opposite ( tru?2 = no "o w\ld call pleasures & pa9s bad because !y are false1 b by reason ( "s o!r great corruption to :i* !y are liable4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 ( pleasures :i* are corrupt & caus$ by corruption we w h]eaft] speak1 if we c>e to cont9ue ! enquiry2 = ! pres5t ,i w\ld r %[ by ano!r argum5t t !re are _m false pleasures exi/+ or com+ into exi/5ce 9 u1 because ?is may assi/ our f9al decision4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true2 t is to say1 if !re are su* pleasures4 ,,socrates3 ,i ?9k t !re are1 ,prot>*us2 b ?is is an op9ion :i* %\ld be well assur$1 & n re/ ^u a m]e ass]tion4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v good4 ,,socrates3 ,!n n[1 l wre/l]s1 let u approa* & grasp ?is new argum5t4 ,,prot>*us3 ,proce$4 ,,socrates3 ,we 7 ma9ta9+ a little :ile s9ce1 t :5 desires1 z !y are t]m$1 exi/ 9 u1 !n ! body has sep>ate feel+s ap>t f ! s\l--d y rememb]8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 ,i rememb] t y said s4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! s\l 0 suppos$ to desire ! opposite ( ! bodily /ate1 :ile ! body 0 ! s\rce ( any pleasure or pa9 :i* 0 exp]i5c$4 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,!n n[ y may inf] :at happ5s 9 su* cases4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at am ,i to inf]8 ,,socrates3 ,t 9 su* cases pleasures & pa9s come simultane\sly2 & !re is a juxtaposition ( ! opposite s5sations :i* correspond to !m1 z has be5 already %[n4 ,,prot>*us3 ,cle>ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& !re is ano!r po9t to :i* we h agre$4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at is x8 ,,socrates3 ,t pleasure & pa9 bo? admit ( m & less1 & t !y are ( ! class ( inf9ites4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly1 we said s4 ,,socrates3 ,b h[ c we rightly judge ( !m8 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[ c we8 ,,socrates3 ,is x our int5tion to judge ( _! comp>ative importance & int5sity1 measur+ pleasure aga9/ pa91 & pa9 aga9/ pa91 & pleasure aga9/ pleasure8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 su* is our int5tion1 & we %all judge ( !m accord+ly4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 take ! case ( sight4 ,does n ! ne>ness or di/ance ( magnitudes obscure _! true proportions1 & make u op9e falsely2 & d we n f9d ! same illusion happ5+ 9 ! case ( pleasures & pa9s8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 ,socrates1 & 9 a degree f> great]4 ,,socrates3 ,!n :at we are n[ say+ is ! opposite ( :at we 7 say+ be=e4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at 0 t8 ,,socrates3 ,!n ! op9ions 7 true & false1 & infect$ ! pleasures & pa9s ) _! own falsity4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true4 ,,socrates3 ,b n[ x is ! pleasures :i* are said to be true & false because !y are se5 at v>i\s di/ances1 & subject$ to comp>ison2 ! pleasures appe> to be great] & m vehem5t :5 plac$ side by side ) ! pa9s1 & ! pa9s :5 plac$ side by side ) ! pleasures4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly1 & = ! reason :i* y m5tion4 ,,socrates3 ,& suppose y "p (f f pleasures & pa9s ! elem5t :i* makes !m appe> to be great] or less ?an !y really are3 y w ackn[l$ge t ?is elem5t is illusory1 & y w nev] say t ! correspond+ excess or defect ( pleasure or pa9 is real or true4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly n4 ,,socrates3 ,next let u see :e!r 9 ano!r direction we may n f9d pleasures & pa9s exi/+ & appe>+ 9 liv+ be+s1 :i* are /ill m false ?an ^!4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at are !y1 & h[ %all we f9d !m8 ,,socrates3 ,if ,i am n mi/ak51 ,i h (t5 repeat$ t pa9s & a*es & suff]+ & uneas9ess ( all sorts arise out ( a corruption ( nature caus$ by concretions1 & dissolutions1 & repletions1 & evacuations1 & also by gr[? & decay8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 t has be5 (t5 said4 ,,socrates3 ,& we h also agre$ t ! re/oration ( ! natural /ate is pleasure8 ,,prot>*us3 ,"r4 ,,socrates3 ,b n[ let u suppose an int]val ( "t at :i* ! body exp]i5ces none ( ^! *anges4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:5 c t be1 ,socrates8 ,,socrates3 ,y\r "q1 ,prot>*us1 does n help ! argum5t4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:y n1 ,socrates8 ,,socrates3 ,because x does n prev5t me f repeat+ m9e4 ,,prot>*us3 ,& :at 0 t8 ,,socrates3 ,:y1 ,prot>*us1 admitt+ t !re is no su* int]val1 ,i may ask :at w\ld be ! necess>y consequ5ce if !re 78 ,,prot>*us3 ,y mean1 :at w\ld happ5 if ! body 7 n *ang$ ei!r = good or bad8 ,,socrates3 ,yes4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:y !n1 ,socrates1 ,i %\ld suppose t !re w\ld be nei!r pleasure nor pa94 ,,socrates3 ,v good2 b /ill1 if ,i am n mi/ak51 y d ass]t t we mu/ always be exp]i5c+ "o ( !m2 t is :at ! wise tell u2 =1 say !y1 all ?+s are ev] fl[+ up & d[n4 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 & _! words are ( no mean au?ority4 ,,socrates3 ,( c\rse1 = !y are no mean au?orities !mselves2 & ,i %\ld l to avoid ! brunt ( _! argum5t4 ,%all ,i tell y h[ ,i mean to escape f !m8 ,& y %all be ! p>tn] ( my flight4 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[8 ,,socrates3 ,to !m we w say3 ',good2 b are we1 or liv+ ?+s 9 g5]al1 always consci\s ( :at happ5s to u--= example1 ( our gr[?1 or ! l8 ,are we n1 on ! contr>y1 almo/ :olly unconsci\s ( ?is & simil> ph5om5a8' ,y mu/ answ] = !m4 ,,prot>*us3 ,! latt] alt]native is ! true "o4 ,,socrates3 ,!n we 7 n "r 9 say+1 j n[1 t motions go+ up & d[n cause pleasures & pa9s8 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,a bett] & m unexceptionable way ( speak+ w be-- ,,prot>*us3 ,:at8 ,,socrates3 ,if we say t ! great *anges produce pleasures & pa9s1 b t ! mod]ate & less] ones d nei!r4 ,,prot>*us3 ,t1 ,socrates1 is ! m correct mode ( speak+4 ,,socrates3 ,b if ?is be true1 ! life to :i* ,i 0 j n[ ref]r+ aga9 appe>s4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at life8 ,,socrates3 ,! life :i* we affirm$ to be devoid ei!r ( pa9 or ( joy4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true4 ,,socrates3 ,we may assume !n t !re are ?ree lives1 "o pleasant1 "o pa9ful1 & ! ?ird :i* is nei!r2 :at say y8 ,,prot>*us3 ,i %\ld say z y d t !re are ?ree ( !m4 ,,socrates3 ,b if s1 ! negation ( pa9 w n be ! same ) pleasure4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly n4 ,,socrates3 ,!n :5 y he> a p]son say+1 t always to live )\t pa9 is ! pleasante/ ( all ?+s1 :at w\ld y und]/& him to mean by t /atem5t8 ,,prot>*us3 ,i ?9k t by pleasure he mu/ mean ! negative ( pa94 ,,socrates3 ,let u take any ?ree ?+s2 or suppose t we embelli% a little & call ! fir/ gold1 ! second silv]1 & !re %all be a ?ird :i* is nei!r4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v good4 ,,socrates3 ,n[1 c t :i* is nei!r be ei!r gold or silv]8 ,,prot>*us3 ,impossible4 ,,socrates3 ,no m c t neutral or middle life be rightly or reasonably spok5 or ?\ght ( z pleasant or pa9ful4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly n4 ,,socrates3 ,& yet1 my fri5d1 !re are1 z we "k1 p]sons :o say & ?9k s4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& d !y ?9k t !y h pleasure :5 !y are free f pa98 ,,prot>*us3 ,!y say s4 ,,socrates3 ,& !y mu/ ?9k or !y w\ld n say t !y h pleasure4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i suppose n4 ,,socrates3 ,& yet if pleasure & ! negation ( pa9 are ( di/9ct natures1 !y are wrong4 ,,prot>*us3 ,b !y are und\bt$ly ( di/9ct natures4 ,,socrates3 ,!n %all we take ! view t !y are ?ree1 z we 7 j n[ say+1 or t !y are two only--! "o be+ a /ate ( pa91 :i* is an evil1 & ! o!r a cessation ( pa91 :i* is ( itself a good1 & is call$ pleasant8 ,,prot>*us3 ,b :y1 ,socrates1 d we ask ! "q at all8 ,i d n see ! reason4 ,,socrates3 ,y1 ,prot>*us1 h cle>ly nev] he>d ( c]ta9 enemies ( our fri5d ,philebus4 ,,prot>*us3 ,& :o may !y be8 ,,socrates3 ,c]ta9 p]sons :o are reput$ to be ma/]s 9 natural philosophy1 :o d5y ! v exi/5ce ( pleasure4 ,,prot>*us3 ,inde$6 ,,socrates3 ,!y say t :at ! s*ool ( ,philebus calls pleasures are all ( !m only avoidances ( pa94 ,,prot>*us3 ,& w\ld y1 ,socrates1 h u agree ) !m8 ,,socrates3 ,:y1 no1 ,i w\ld r use !m z a sort ( div9]s1 :o div9e ! tru?1 n by rules ( art1 b by an in/9ctive repugnance & extreme dete/ation :i* a noble nature has ( ! p[] ( pleasure1 9 :i* !y ?9k t !re is no?+ s\nd1 & h] s$uctive influ5ce is decl>$ by !m to be wit*craft1 & n pleasure4 ,?is is ! use :i* y may make ( !m4 ,& :5 y h consid]$ ! v>i\s gr\nds ( _! dislike1 y %all he> f me :at ,i deem to be true pleasures4 ,hav+ ?us exam9$ ! nature ( pleasure f bo? po9ts ( view1 we w br+ h] up = judgm5t4 ,,prot>*us3 ,well said4 ,,socrates3 ,!n let u ent] into an alliance ) ^! philosoph]s & foll[ 9 ! track ( _! dislike4 ,i imag9e t !y w\ld say some?+ ( ?is sort2 !y w\ld beg9 at ! beg9n+1 & ask :e!r1 if we want$ to "k ! nature ( any quality1 su* z h>dness1 we %\ld be m likely to discov] x by look+ at ! h>de/ ?+s1 r ?an at ! lea/ h>d8 ,y1 ,prot>*us1 %all answ] ^! sev]e g5tlem5 z y answ] me4 ,,prot>*us3 ,by all means1 & ,i reply to !m1 t y %\ld look at ! greate/ in/ances4 ,,socrates3 ,!n if we want to see ! true nature ( pleasures z a class1 we %\ld n look at ! mo/ dilut$ pleasures1 b at ! mo/ extreme & mo/ vehem5t8 ,,prot>*us3 ,9 t e "o w agree4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! obvi\s in/ances ( ! greate/ pleasures1 z we h (t5 said1 are ! pleasures ( ! body8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& are !y felt by u to be or become great]1 :5 we are sick or :5 we are 9 heal?8 ,& "h we mu/ be c>eful 9 our answ]1 or we %all come to grief4 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[ w t be8 ,,socrates3 ,:y1 because we might be tempt$ to answ]1 ',:5 we are 9 heal?4' ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 t is ! natural answ]4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 b are n ^? pleasures ! greate/ ( :i* mank9d h ! greate/ desires8 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,& d n p :o are 9 a fev]1 or any simil> illness1 feel cold or ?ir/ or o!r bodily affections m int5sely8 ,am ,i n "r 9 say+ t !y h a deep] want & great] pleasure 9 ! satisfaction ( _! want8 ,,prot>*us3 ,t is obvi\s z soon z x is said4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 !n1 %all we n be "r 9 say+1 t if a p]son w\ld wi% to see ! greate/ pleasures he ought to g & look1 n at heal?1 b at disease8 ,& "h y mu/ di/+ui%3--d n imag9e t ,i mean to ask :e!r ^? :o are v ill h m pleasures ?an ^? :o are well1 b und]/& t ,i am speak+ ( ! magnitude ( pleasure2 ,i want to "k :]e pleasures are f\nd to be mo/ int5se4 ,=1 z ,i say1 we h to discov] :at is pleasure1 & :at !y mean by pleasure :o d5y h] v exi/5ce4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i ?9k ,i foll[ y4 ,,socrates3 ,y w soon h a bett] opportunity ( %[+ :e!r y d or n1 ,prot>*us4 ,answ] n[1 & tell me :e!r y see1 ,i w n say m1 b m int5se & excessive pleasures 9 wantonness ?an 9 temp]ance8 ,reflect be=e y speak4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i und]/& y1 & see t !re is a great diff]5ce betwe5 !m2 ! temp]ate are re/ra9$ by ! wise man's aphorism ( ',nev] too mu*1' :i* is _! rule1 b excess ( pleasure possess+ ! m9ds ( fools & wantons becomes madness & makes !m %\t ) delight4 ,,socrates3 ,v good1 & if ?is be true1 !n ! greate/ pleasures & pa9s w cle>ly be f\nd 9 "s vici\s /ate ( s\l & body1 & n 9 a virtu\s /ate4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& ought we n to select "s ( ^! = exam9ation1 & see :at makes !m ! greate/8 ,,prot>*us3 ,to be sure we ought4 ,,socrates3 ,take ! case ( ! pleasures :i* arise out ( c]ta9 disord]s4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at disord]s8 ,,socrates3 ,! pleasures ( unseemly disord]s1 :i* our sev]e fri5ds utt]ly dete/4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at pleasures8 ,,socrates3 ,su*1 = example1 z ! relief ( it*+ & o!r ailm5ts by scrat*+1 :i* is ! only rem$y requir$4 ,= :at 9 ,heav5's "n is ! feel+ to be call$ :i* is ?us produc$ 9 u8--,pleasure or pa98 ,,prot>*us3 ,a villa9\s mixture ( "s k9d1 ,socrates1 ,i %\ld say4 ,,socrates3 ,i did n introduce ! argum5t1 ,o ,prot>*us1 ) any p]sonal ref]5ce to ,philebus1 b because1 )\t ! consid]ation ( ^! & simil> pleasures1 we %all n be able to det]m9e ! po9t at issue4 ,,prot>*us3 ,!n we _h bett] proce$ to analyze ?is family ( pleasures4 ,,socrates3 ,y mean ! pleasures :i* are m+l$ ) pa98 ,,prot>*us3 ,exactly4 ,,socrates3 ,!re are "s mixtures :i* are ( ! body1 & only 9 ! body1 & o!rs :i* are ( ! s\l1 & only 9 ! s\l2 :ile !re are o!r mixtures ( pleasures ) pa9s1 common bo? to s\l & body1 :i* 9 _! composite /ate are call$ sometimes pleasures & sometimes pa9s4 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[ is t8 ,,socrates3 ,:5ev]1 9 ! re/oration or 9 ! d]angem5t ( nature1 a man exp]i5ces two opposite feel+s2 = example1 :5 he is cold & is gr[+ w>m1 or aga91 :5 he is hot & is becom+ cool1 & he wants to h ! "o & be rid ( ! o!r2--! sweet has a bitt]1 z ! common say+ is1 & bo? toge!r fa/5 ^u him & create irritation & 9 "t drive him to di/raction4 ,,prot>*us3 ,t description is v true to nature4 ,,socrates3 ,& 9 ^! sorts ( mixtures ! pleasures & pa9s are sometimes equal1 & sometimes "o or o!r ( !m pr$om9ates8 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,( cases 9 :i* ! pa9 exce$s ! pleasure1 an example is af=d$ by it*+1 ( :i* we 7 j n[ speak+1 & by ! t+l+ :i* we feel :5 ! boil+ & fi]y elem5t is )91 & ! rubb+ & motion only relieves ! surface1 & does n rea* ! p>ts affect$2 !n if y put !m to ! fire1 & z a la/ resort apply cold to !m1 y may (t5 produce ! mo/ int5se pleasure or pa9 9 ! inn] p>ts1 :i* contra/s & m+les ) ! pa9 or pleasure1 z ! case may be1 ( ! out] p>ts2 & ?is is due to ! =cible sep>ation ( :at is unit$1 or to ! union ( :at is sep>at$1 & to ! juxtaposition ( pleasure & pa94 ,,prot>*us3 ,q s4 ,,socrates3 ,sometimes ! elem5t ( pleasure prevails 9 a man1 & ! slight und]curr5t ( pa9 makes him t+le1 & causes a g5tle irritation2 or aga91 ! excessive infusion ( pleasure creates an excitem5t 9 him1--he ev5 leaps = joy1 he assumes all sorts ( attitudes1 he *anges all mann] ( col\rs1 he gasps = brea?1 & is q amaz$1 & utt]s ! mo/ irrational exclamations4 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 inde$4 ,,socrates3 ,he w say ( himself1 & o!rs w say ( him1 t he is dy+ ) ^! delights2 & ! m dissipat$ & good-=-no?+ he is1 ! m vehem5tly he pursues !m 9 e way2 ( all pleasures he decl>es !m to be ! greate/2 & he reckons him :o lives 9 ! mo/ con/ant enjoym5t ( !m to be ! happie/ ( mank9d4 ,,prot>*us3 ,t1 ,socrates1 is a v true description ( ! op9ions ( ! majority ab\t pleasures4 ,,socrates3 ,yes1 ,prot>*us1 q true ( ! mix$ pleasures1 :i* arise out ( ! communion ( ext]nal & int]nal s5sations 9 ! body2 !re are also cases 9 :i* ! m9d contributes an opposite elem5t to ! body1 :e!r ( pleasure or pa91 & ! two unite & =m "o mixture4 ,conc]n+ ^! ,i h already rem>k$1 t :5 a man is empty he desires to be full1 & has pleasure 9 hope & pa9 9 vacuity4 ,b n[ ,i mu/ fur!r add :at ,i omitt$ be=e1 t 9 all ^! & simil> emotions 9 :i* body & m9d are oppos$ 7& !y are innum]able71 pleasure & pa9 coalesce 9 "o4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i believe t to be q true4 ,,socrates3 ,!re /ill rema9s "o o!r sort ( admixture ( pleasures & pa9s4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at is t8 ,,socrates3 ,! union :i*1 z we 7 say+1 ! m9d (t5 exp]i5ces ( purely m5tal feel+s4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at d y mean8 ,,socrates3 ,:y1 d we n speak ( ang]1 fe>1 desire1 sorr[1 love1 emulation1 envy1 & ! l1 z pa9s :i* belong to ! s\l only8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,& %all we n f9d !m also full ( ! mo/ wond]ful pleasures8 ne$ ,i rem9d y ( ! ang] ',:i* /irs ev5 a wise man to viol5ce1 ,& is sweet] ?an honey & ! honeycomb8' ,& y rememb] h[ pleasures m+le ) pa9s 9 lam5tation & b]eavem5t8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 !re is a natural connexion betwe5 !m4 ,,socrates3 ,& y rememb] also h[ at ! sight ( trag$ies ! spectators smile ?r\gh _! te>s8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly ,i d4 ,,socrates3 ,& are y aw>e t ev5 at a com$y ! s\l exp]i5ces a mix$ feel+ ( pa9 & pleasure8 ,,prot>*us3 ,i d n q und]/& y4 ,,socrates3 ,i admit1 ,prot>*us1 t !re is "s difficulty 9 recogniz+ ?is mixture ( feel+s at a com$y4 ,,prot>*us3 ,!re is1 ,i ?9k4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! great] ! obscurity ( ! case ! m desirable is ! exam9ation ( x1 because ! difficulty 9 detect+ o!r cases ( mix$ pleasures & pa9s w be less4 ,,prot>*us3 ,proce$4 ,,socrates3 ,i h j m5tion$ envy2 w\ld y n call t a pa9 ( ! s\l8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,& yet ! envi\s man f9ds some?+ 9 ! mis=tunes ( 8 neighb\rs at :i* he is pleas$8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& ignorance1 & :at is t]m$ cl[ni%ness1 are surely an evil8 ,,prot>*us3 ,to be sure4 ,,socrates3 ,f ^! consid]ations le>n to "k ! nature ( ! ridicul\s4 ,,prot>*us3 ,expla94 ,,socrates3 ,! ridicul\s is 9 %ort ! specific "n :i* is us$ to describe ! vici\s =m ( a c]ta9 habit2 & ( vice 9 g5]al x is t k9d :i* is mo/ at v>iance ) ! inscription at ,delphi4 ,,prot>*us3 ,y mean1 ,socrates1 ',"k ?yself4' ,,socrates3 ,i d2 & ! opposite w\ld be1 ',"k n ?yself4' ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& n[1 ,o ,prot>*us1 try to divide ?is into ?ree4 ,,prot>*us3 ,inde$ ,i am afraid t ,i _c4 ,,socrates3 ,d y mean to say t ,i mu/ make ! division = y8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 & :at is m1 ,i beg t y w4 ,,socrates3 ,are !re n ?ree ways 9 :i* ignorance ( self may be %[n8 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at are !y8 ,,socrates3 ,9 ! fir/ place1 ab\t money2 ! ignorant may fancy himself ri*] ?an he is4 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 t is a v common error4 ,,socrates3 ,& /ill m (t5 he w fancy t he is tall] or fair] ?an he is1 or t he has "s o!r advantage ( p]son :i* he really has n4 ,,prot>*us3 ,( c\rse4 ,,socrates3 ,& yet surely by f> ! greate/ numb] err ab\t ! goods ( ! m9d2 !y imag9e !mselves to be mu* bett] m5 ?an !y are4 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 t is by f> ! commone/ delusion4 ,,socrates3 ,& ( all ! virtues1 is n wisdom ! "o :i* ! mass ( mank9d are always claim+1 & :i* mo/ ar\ses 9 !m a _s ( cont5tion & ly+ conceit ( wisdom8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& may n all ?is be truly call$ an evil condition8 ,,prot>*us3 ,v evil4 ,,socrates3 ,b we mu/ pursue ! division a /ep fur!r1 ,prot>*us1 if we w\ld see 9 envy ( ! *ildi% sort a s+ul> mixture ( pleasure & pa94 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[ c we make ! fur!r division :i* y sugge/8 ,,socrates3 ,all :o are silly en\gh to ent]ta9 ?is ly+ conceit ( !mselves may ( c\rse be divid$1 l ! re/ ( mank9d1 into two classes--"o hav+ p[] & might2 & ! o!r ! rev]se4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,let ?is1 !n1 be ! pr9ciple ( division2 ^? ( !m :o are weak & unable to rev5ge !mselves1 :5 !y are laugh$ at1 may be truly call$ ridicul\s1 b ^? :o c def5d !mselves may be m truly describ$ z /rong & =midable2 = ignorance 9 ! p[]ful is hateful & horrible1 because hurtful to o!rs bo? 9 reality & 9 fiction1 b p[]less ignorance may be reckon$1 & 9 tru? is1 ridicul\s4 ,,prot>*us3 ,t is v true1 b ,i d n z yet see :]e is ! admixture ( pleasures & pa9s4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 !n1 let u exam9e ! nature ( envy4 ,,prot>*us3 ,proce$4 ,,socrates3 ,is n envy an unrighte\s pleasure1 & also an unrighte\s pa98 ,,prot>*us3 ,mo/ true4 ,,socrates3 ,!re is no?+ envi\s or wrong 9 rejoic+ at ! mis=tunes ( enemies8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly n4 ,,socrates3 ,b to feel joy in/ead ( sorr[ at ! sight ( our fri5ds' mis=tunes--is n t wrong8 ,,prot>*us3 ,und\bt$ly4 ,,socrates3 ,did we n say t ignorance 0 always an evil8 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! ?ree k9ds ( va9 conceit 9 our fri5ds :i* we enum]at$--! va9 conceit ( beauty1 ( wisdom1 & ( weal?1 are ridicul\s if !y are weak1 & dete/able :5 !y are p[]ful3 ,may we n say1 z ,i 0 say+ be=e1 t our fri5ds :o are 9 ?is /ate ( m9d1 :5 h>mless to o!rs1 are simply ridicul\s8 ,,prot>*us3 ,!y are ridicul\s4 ,,socrates3 ,& d we n ackn[l$ge ?is ignorance ( !irs to be a mis=tune8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& d we feel pa9 or pleasure 9 laugh+ at x8 ,,prot>*us3 ,cle>ly we feel pleasure4 ,,socrates3 ,& 0 n envy ! s\rce ( ?is pleasure :i* we feel at ! mis=tunes ( fri5ds8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,!n ! argum5t %[s t :5 we laugh at ! folly ( our fri5ds1 pleasure1 9 m+l+ ) envy1 m+les ) pa91 = envy has be5 ackn[l$g$ by u to be m5tal pa91 & laught] is pleasant2 & s we envy & laugh at ! same in/ant4 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! argum5t implies t !re are comb9ations ( pleasure & pa9 9 lam5tations1 & 9 trag$y & com$y1 n only on ! /age1 b on ! great] /age ( human life2 & s 9 endless o!r cases4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i d n see h[ any "o c d5y :at y say1 ,socrates1 h[ev] eag] he may be to ass]t ! opposite op9ion4 ,,socrates3 ,i m5tion$ ang]1 desire1 sorr[1 fe>1 love1 emulation1 envy1 & simil> emotions1 z examples 9 :i* we %\ld f9d a mixture ( ! two elem5ts s (t5 nam$2 did ,i n8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,we may obs]ve t our conclusions hi!rto h _h ref]5ce only to sorr[ & envy & ang]4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i see4 ,,socrates3 ,!n _m o!r cases /ill rema98 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& :y d y suppose me to h po9t$ out to y ! admixture :i* takes place 9 com$y8 ,:y b to conv9ce y t !re 0 no difficulty 9 %[+ ! mix$ nature ( fe> & love & simil> affections2 & ,i ?\ght t :5 ,i _h giv5 y ! illu/ration1 y w\ld h let me (f1 & h ackn[l$g$ z a g5]al tru? t ! body )\t ! s\l1 & ! s\l )\t ! body1 z well z ! two unit$1 are susceptible ( all sorts ( admixtures ( pleasures & pa9s2 & s fur!r discussion w\ld h be5 unnecess>y4 ,& n[ ,i want to "k :e!r ,i may dep>t2 or w y keep me "h until midnight8 ,i fancy t ,i may obta9 my release )\t _m words2--if ,i promise t to-morr[ ,i w give y an acc\nt ( all ^! cases4 ,b at pres5t ,i w\ld r sail 9 ano!r direction1 & g to o!r matt]s :i* rema9 to be settl$1 be=e ! judgm5t c be giv5 :i* ,philebus dem&s4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v good1 ,socrates2 9 :at rema9s take y\r own c\rse4 ,,socrates3 ,!n aft] ! mix$ pleasures ! unmix$ %\ld h _! turn2 ?is is ! natural & necess>y ord]4 ,,prot>*us3 ,excell5t4 ,,socrates3 ,^!1 9 turn1 !n1 ,i w n[ endeav\r to indicate2 = ) ! ma9ta9]s ( ! op9ion t all pleasures are a cessation ( pa91 ,i d n agree1 b1 z ,i 0 say+1 ,i use !m z witnesses1 t !re are pleasures :i* seem only & are n1 & !re are o!rs aga9 :i* h great p[] & appe> 9 _m =ms1 yet are int]m+l$ ) pa9s1 & are p>tly alleviations ( agony & di/ress1 bo? ( body & m9d4 ,,prot>*us3 ,!n :at pleasures1 ,socrates1 %\ld we be "r 9 conceiv+ to be true8 ,,socrates3 ,true pleasures are ^? :i* are giv5 by beauty ( col\r & =m1 & mo/ ( ^? :i* arise f smells2 ^? ( s\nd1 aga91 & 9 g5]al ^? ( :i* ! want is pa9less & unconsci\s1 & ( :i* ! fruition is palpable to s5se & pleasant & unalloy$ ) pa94 ,,prot>*us3 ,once m1 ,socrates1 ,i mu/ ask :at y mean4 ,,socrates3 ,my mean+ is c]ta9ly n obvi\s1 & ,i w endeav\r to be pla9]4 ,i d n mean by beauty ( =m su* beauty z t ( animals or pictures1 :i* ! _m w\ld suppose to be my mean+2 b1 says ! argum5t1 und]/& me to mean /raight l9es & circles1 & ! plane or solid figures :i* are =m$ out ( !m by turn+-la!s & rul]s & measur]s ( angles2 = ^! ,i affirm to be n only relatively beautiful1 l o!r ?+s1 b !y are et]nally & absolutely beautiful1 & !y h peculi> pleasures1 q unlike ! pleasures ( scrat*+4 ,& !re are col\rs :i* are ( ! same "*1 & h simil> pleasures2 n[ d y und]/& my mean+8 ,,prot>*us3 ,i am try+ to und]/&1 ,socrates1 & ,i hope t y w try to make y\r mean+ cle>]4 ,,socrates3 ,:5 s\nds are smoo? & cle>1 & h a s+le pure tone1 !n ,i mean to say t !y are n relatively b absolutely beautiful1 & h natural pleasures associat$ ) !m4 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 !re are su* pleasures4 ,,socrates3 ,! pleasures ( smell are ( a less e!real sort1 b !y h no necess>y admixture ( pa92 & all pleasures1 h[ev] & :]ev] exp]i5c$1 :i* are unatt5d$ by pa9s1 ,i assign to an analog\s class4 ,"h !n are two k9ds ( pleasures4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i und]/&4 ,,socrates3 ,to ^! may be add$ ! pleasures ( k1 if no hung] ( k & no pa9 caus$ by su* hung] prec$e !m4 ,,prot>*us3 ,& ?is is ! case4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 b if a man :o is full ( k loses 8 k1 are !re n pa9s ( =gett+8 ,,prot>*us3 ,n necess>ily1 b !re may be times ( reflection1 :5 he feels grief at ! loss ( 8 k4 ,,socrates3 ,yes1 my fri5d1 b at pres5t we are enum]at+ only ! natural p]ceptions1 & h no?+ to d ) reflection4 ,,prot>*us3 ,9 t case y are "r 9 say+ t ! loss ( k is n att5d$ ) pa94 ,,socrates3 ,^! pleasures ( k1 !n1 are unmix$ ) pa92 & !y are n ! pleasures ( ! _m b ( a v few4 ,,prot>*us3 ,q true4 ,,socrates3 ,& n[1 hav+ fairly sep>at$ ! pure pleasures & ^? :i* may be rightly t]m$ impure1 let u fur!r add to our description ( !m1 t ! pleasures :i* are 9 excess h no measure1 b t ^? :i* are n 9 excess h measure2 ! great1 ! excessive1 :e!r m or less frequ5t1 we %all be "r 9 ref]r+ to ! class ( ! inf9ite1 & ( ! m & less1 :i* p\rs ?r\gh body & s\l alike2 & ! o!rs we %all ref] to ! class :i* has measure4 ,,prot>*us3 ,q "r1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,/ill !re is some?+ m to be consid]$ ab\t pleasures4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at is x8 ,,socrates3 ,:5 y speak ( purity & cle>ness1 or ( excess1 abundance1 greatness & suffici5cy1 9 :at relation d ^! t]ms /& to tru?8 ,,prot>*us3 ,:y d y ask1 ,socrates8 ,,socrates3 ,because1 ,prot>*us1 ,i %\ld wi% to te/ pleasure & k 9 e possible way1 9 ord] t if !re be a pure & impure elem5t 9 ei!r ( !m1 ,i may pres5t ! pure elem5t = judgm5t1 & !n !y w be m easily judg$ ( by y & by me & by all ( u4 ,,prot>*us3 ,mo/ true4 ,,socrates3 ,let u inve/igate all ! pure k9ds2 fir/ select+ = consid]ation a s+le in/ance4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at in/ance %all we select8 ,,socrates3 ,suppose t we fir/ ( all take :it5ess4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v good4 ,,socrates3 ,h[ c !re be purity 9 :it5ess1 & :at purity8 ,is t pure/ :i* is greate/ or mo/ 9 quantity1 or t :i* is mo/ unadult]at$ & free/ f any admixture ( o!r col\rs8 ,,prot>*us3 ,cle>ly t :i* is mo/ unadult]at$4 ,,socrates3 ,true1 ,prot>*us2 & s ! pure/ :ite1 & n ! greate/ or l>ge/ 9 quantity1 is to be deem$ true/ & mo/ beautiful8 ,,prot>*us3 ,"r4 ,,socrates3 ,& we %all be q "r 9 say+ t a little pure :ite is :it] & fair] & tru] ?an a great deal t is mix$4 ,,prot>*us3 ,p]fectly "r4 ,,socrates3 ,!re is no ne$ ( adduc+ _m simil> examples 9 illu/ration ( ! argum5t ab\t pleasure2 "o su* is suffici5t to prove to u t a small pleasure or a small am\nt ( pleasure1 if pure or unalloy$ ) pa91 is always pleasant] & tru] & fair] ?an a great pleasure or a great am\nt ( pleasure ( ano!r k9d4 ,,prot>*us3 ,assur$ly2 & ! in/ance y h giv5 is q suffici5t4 ,,socrates3 ,b :at d y say ( ano!r "q3--h we n he>d t pleasure is always a g5]ation1 & has no true be+8 ,d n c]ta9 +5i\s philosoph]s tea* ?is doctr9e1 & ought n we to be grateful to !m8 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at d !y mean8 ,,socrates3 ,i w expla9 to y1 my de> ,prot>*us1 :at !y mean1 by putt+ a "q4 ,,prot>*us3 ,ask1 & ,i w answ]4 ,,socrates3 ,i assume t !re are two natures1 "o self-exi/5t1 & ! o!r ev] 9 want ( some?+4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at mann] ( natures are !y8 ,,socrates3 ,! "o maje/ic ev]1 ! o!r inf]ior4 ,,prot>*us3 ,y speak riddles4 ,,socrates3 ,y h se5 loves good & fair1 & also brave lov]s ( !m4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i %\ld ?9k s4 ,,socrates3 ,se>* ! univ]se = two t]ms :i* are l ^! two & are pres5t ev]y:]e4 ,,prot>*us3 ,yet a ?ird "t ,i mu/ say1 ,be a little pla9]1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,!re is no difficulty1 ,prot>*us2 ! argum5t is only 9 play1 & ins9uates t "s ?+s are = ! sake ( some?+ else 7relatives71 & t o!r ?+s are ! ends to :i* ! =m] class subs]ve 7absolutes74 ,,prot>*us3 ,y\r _m repetitions make me sl[ to und]/&4 ,,socrates3 ,z ! argum5t proce$s1 my boy1 ,i d>e say t ! mean+ w become cle>]4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v likely4 ,,socrates3 ,"h are two new pr9ciples4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at are !y8 ,,socrates3 ,"o is ! g5]ation ( all ?+s1 & ! o!r is ess5ce4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i readily accept f y bo? g5]ation & ess5ce4 ,,socrates3 ,v "r2 & w\ld y say t g5]ation is = ! sake ( ess5ce1 or ess5ce = ! sake ( g5]ation8 ,,prot>*us3 ,y want to "k :e!r t :i* is call$ ess5ce is1 prop]ly speak+1 = ! sake ( g5]ation8 ,,socrates3 ,yes4 ,,prot>*us3 ,by ! gods1 ,i wi% t y w\ld repeat y\r "q4 ,,socrates3 ,i mean1 ,o my ,prot>*us1 to ask :e!r y w\ld tell me t %ip-build+ is = ! sake ( %ips1 or %ips = ! sake ( %ip-build+8 & 9 all simil> cases ,i %\ld ask ! same "q4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:y d y n answ] y\rself1 ,socrates8 ,,socrates3 ,i h no objection1 b y mu/ take y\r "p4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,my answ] is1 t all ?+s in/rum5tal1 rem$ial1 mat]ial1 are giv5 to u ) a view to g5]ation1 & t ea* g5]ation is relative to1 or = ! sake (1 "s be+ or ess5ce1 & t ! :ole ( g5]ation is relative to ! :ole ( ess5ce4 ,,prot>*us3 ,assur$ly4 ,,socrates3 ,!n pleasure1 be+ a g5]ation1 mu/ surely be = ! sake ( "s ess5ce8 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,& t = ! sake ( :i* some?+ else is done mu/ be plac$ 9 ! class ( good1 & t :i* is done = ! sake ( some?+ else1 9 "s o!r class1 my good fri5d4 ,,prot>*us3 ,mo/ c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,!n pleasure1 be+ a g5]ation1 w be rightly plac$ 9 "s o!r class ?an t ( good8 ,,prot>*us3 ,q "r4 ,,socrates3 ,!n1 z ,i said at fir/1 we ought to be v grateful to him :o fir/ po9t$ out t pleasure 0 a g5]ation only1 & _h no true be+ at all2 = he is cle>ly "o :o laughs at ! notion ( pleasure be+ a good4 ,,prot>*us3 ,assur$ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& he w\ld surely laugh also at ^? :o make g5]ation _! highe/ end4 ,,prot>*us3 ,( :om are y speak+1 & :at d !y mean8 ,,socrates3 ,i am speak+ ( ^? :o :5 !y are cur$ ( hung] or ?ir/ or any o!r defect by "s process ( g5]ation are delight$ at ! process z if x 7 pleasure2 & !y say t !y w\ld n wi% to live )\t ^! & o!r feel+s ( a l k9d :i* might be m5tion$4 ,,prot>*us3 ,t is c]ta9ly :at !y appe> to ?9k4 ,,socrates3 ,& is n de/ruction univ]sally admitt$ to be ! opposite ( g5]ation8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,!n he :o *ooses ?us1 w\ld *oose g5]ation & de/ruction r ?an t ?ird sort ( life1 9 :i*1 z we 7 say+1 0 nei!r pleasure nor pa91 b only ! pure/ possible ?\ght4 ,,prot>*us3 ,he :o w\ld make u believe pleasure to be a good is involv$ 9 great absurdities1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,great1 inde$2 & !re is yet ano!r ( !m4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at is x8 ,,socrates3 ,is !re n an absurdity 9 argu+ t !re is no?+ good or noble 9 ! body1 or 9 any?+ else1 b t good is 9 ! s\l only1 & t ! only good ( ! s\l is pleasure2 & t c\rage or temp]ance or und]/&+1 or any o!r good ( ! s\l1 is n really a good8--& is !re n yet a fur!r absurdity 9 our be+ compell$ to say t he :o has a feel+ ( pa9 & n ( pleasure is bad at ! "t :5 he is suff]+ pa91 ev5 ?\gh he be ! be/ ( m52 & aga91 t he :o has a feel+ ( pleasure1 9 s f> z he is pleas$ at ! "t :5 he is pleas$1 9 t degree excels 9 virtue8 ,,prot>*us3 ,no?+1 ,socrates1 c be m irrational ?an all ?is4 ,,socrates3 ,& n[1 hav+ subject$ pleasure to e sort ( te/1 let u n appe> to be too sp>+ ( m9d & k3 let u r+ _! metal bravely1 & see if !re be uns\ndness 9 any "p1 until we h f\nd out :at 9 !m is ( ! pure/ nature2 & !n ! true/ elem5ts bo? ( pleasure & k may be br\ght up = judgm5t4 ,,prot>*us3 ,"r4 ,,socrates3 ,k has two p>ts1--! "o productive1 & ! o!r educational8 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,& 9 ! productive or h&icraft arts1 is n "o "p m ak9 to k1 & ! o!r less2 & may n ! "o "p be reg>d$ z ! pure1 & ! o!r z ! impure8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,let u sep>ate ! sup]ior or dom9ant elem5ts 9 ea* ( !m4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at are !y1 & h[ d y sep>ate !m8 ,,socrates3 ,i mean to say1 t if ari?metic1 m5suration1 & weigh+ be tak5 away f any art1 t :i* rema9s w n be mu*4 ,,prot>*us3 ,n mu*1 c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,! re/ w be only conjecture1 & ! bett] use ( ! s5ses :i* is giv5 by exp]i5ce & practice1 9 addition to a c]ta9 p[] ( guess+1 :i* is commonly call$ art1 & is p]fect$ by att5tion & pa9s4 ,,prot>*us3 ,no?+ m1 assur$ly4 ,,socrates3 ,music1 = in/ance1 is full ( ?is empiricism2 = s\nds are h>moniz$1 n by measure1 b by skilful conjecture2 ! music ( ! flute is always try+ to guess ! pit* ( ea* vibrat+ note1 & is !re=e mix$ up ) mu* t is d\btful & has little :i* is c]ta94 ,,prot>*us3 ,mo/ true4 ,,socrates3 ,& ! same w be f\nd to hold good ( m$ic9e & husb&ry & pilot+ & g5]al%ip4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true4 ,,socrates3 ,! art ( ! build]1 on ! o!r h&1 :i* uses a numb] ( measures & in/rum5ts1 atta9s by _! help to a great] degree ( accuracy ?an ! o!r arts4 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[ is t8 ,,socrates3 ,9 %ip-build+ & h\se-build+1 & 9 o!r bran*es ( ! art ( c>p5t]+1 ! build] has 8 rule1 la!1 compass1 l9e1 & a mo/ +5i\s ma*9e = /raight5+ wood4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,!n n[ let u divide ! arts ( :i* we 7 speak+ into two k9ds1--! arts :i*1 l music1 are less exact 9 _! results1 & ^? :i*1 l c>p5t]+1 are m exact4 ,,prot>*us3 ,let u make t division4 ,,socrates3 ,( ! latt] class1 ! mo/ exact ( all are ^? :i* we j n[ spoke ( z prim>y4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i see t y mean ari?metic1 & ! k9dr$ arts ( weigh+ & measur+4 ,,socrates3 ,c]ta9ly1 ,prot>*us2 b are n ^! also di/+ui%able into two k9ds8 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at are ! two k9ds8 ,,socrates3 ,9 ! fir/ place1 ari?metic is ( two k9ds1 "o ( :i* is popul>1 & ! o!r philosophical4 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[ w\ld y di/+ui% !m8 ,,socrates3 ,!re is a wide diff]5ce betwe5 !m1 ,prot>*us2 "s ari?meticians reckon unequal units2 z = example1 two armies1 two ox51 two v l>ge ?+s or two v small ?+s4 ,! p>ty :o are oppos$ to !m insi/ t e unit 9 t5 ?\s& mu/ be ! same z e o!r unit4 ,,prot>*us3 ,und\bt$ly !re is1 z y say1 a great diff]5ce among ! vot>ies ( ! sci5ce2 & !re may be reasonably suppos$ to be two sorts ( ari?metic4 ,,socrates3 ,& :5 we comp>e ! art ( m5suration :i* is us$ 9 build+ ) philosophical geometry1 or ! art ( computation :i* is us$ 9 trad+ ) exact calculation1 %all we say ( ei!r ( ! pairs t x is "o or two8 ,,prot>*us3 ,on ! analogy ( :at has prec$$1 ,i %\ld be ( op9ion t !y 7 sev]ally two4 ,,socrates3 ,"r2 b d y und]/& :y ,i h discuss$ ! subject8 ,,prot>*us3 ,i ?9k s1 b ,i %\ld l to be told by y4 ,,socrates3 ,! argum5t has all along be5 seek+ a p>allel to pleasure1 & true to t orig9al design1 has gone on to ask :e!r "o sort ( k is pur] ?an ano!r1 z "o pleasure is pur] ?an ano!r4 ,,prot>*us3 ,cle>ly2 t 0 ! int5tion4 ,,socrates3 ,& has n ! argum5t 9 :at has prec$$1 already %[n t ! arts h diff]5t prov9ces1 & v>y 9 _! degrees ( c]ta9ty8 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true4 ,,socrates3 ,& j n[ did n ! argum5t fir/ designate a p>ticul> art by a common t]m1 ?us mak+ u believe 9 ! unity ( t art2 & !n aga91 z if speak+ ( two diff]5t ?+s1 proce$ to enquire :e!r ! art z purs$ by philosoph]s1 or z pursu$ by non-philosoph]s1 has m ( c]ta9ty & purity8 ,,prot>*us3 ,t is ! v "q :i* ! argum5t is ask+4 ,,socrates3 ,& h[1 ,prot>*us1 %all we answ] ! enquiry8 ,,prot>*us3 ,o ,socrates1 we h rea*$ a po9t at :i* ! diff]5ce ( cle>ness 9 diff]5t k9ds ( k is enorm\s4 ,,socrates3 ,!n ! answ] w be ! easi]4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly2 & let u say 9 reply1 t ^? arts into :i* ari?metic & m5suration ent]1 f> surpass all o!rs2 & t ( ^! ! arts or sci5ces :i* are animat$ by ! pure philosophic impulse are inf9itely sup]ior 9 accuracy & tru?4 ,,socrates3 ,!n ?is is y\r judgm5t2 & ?is is ! answ] :i*1 ^u y\r au?ority1 we w give to all ma/]s ( ! art ( mis9t]pretation8 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at answ]8 ,,socrates3 ,t !re are two arts ( ari?metic1 & two ( m5suration2 & also sev]al o!r arts :i* 9 l mann] h ?is d\ble nature1 & yet only "o "n4 ,,prot>*us3 ,let u boldly return ?is answ] to ! ma/]s ( :om y speak1 ,socrates1 & hope = good luck4 ,,socrates3 ,we h expla9$ :at we t]m ! mo/ exact arts or sci5ces4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v good4 ,,socrates3 ,& yet1 ,prot>*us1 dialectic w refuse to ackn[l$ge u1 if we d n aw>d to h] ! fir/ place4 ,,prot>*us3 ,& pray1 :at is dialectic8 ,,socrates3 ,cle>ly ! sci5ce :i* has to d ) all t k ( :i* we are n[ speak+2 = ,i am sure t all m5 :o h a gra9 ( intellig5ce w admit t ! k :i* has to d ) be+ & reality1 & sam5ess & un*angeabl5ess1 is by f> ! true/ ( all4 ,b h[ w\ld y decide ?is "q1 ,prot>*us8 ,,prot>*us3 ,i h (t5 he>d ,gorgias ma9ta91 ,socrates1 t ! art ( p]suasion f> surpass$ e o!r2 ?is1 z he says1 is by f> ! be/ ( !m all1 = to x all ?+s submit1 n by compulsion1 b ( _! own free w4 ,n[1 ,i %\ld n l to qu>rel ei!r ) y or ) him4 ,,socrates3 ,y mean to say t y w\ld l to des]t1 if y 7 n a%am$8 ,,prot>*us3 ,z y please4 ,,socrates3 ,may ,i n h l$ y into a misappreh5sion8 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[8 ,,socrates3 ,de> ,prot>*us1 ,i nev] ask$ :i* 0 ! greate/ or be/ or usefulle/ ( arts or sci5ces1 b :i* _h cle>ness & accuracy1 & ! greate/ am\nt ( tru?1 h[ev] humble & little useful an art4 ,& z = ,gorgias1 if y d n d5y t 8 art has ! advantage 9 usefulness to mank9d1 he w n qu>rel ) y = say+ t ! /udy ( :i* ,i am speak+ is sup]ior 9 ?is p>ticul> ( ess5tial tru?2 z 9 ! comp>ison ( :ite col\rs1 a little :it5ess1 if t little be only pure1 0 said to be sup]ior 9 tru? to a great mass :i* is impure4 ,& n[ let u give our be/ att5tion & consid] well1 n ! comp>ative use or reputation ( ! sci5ces1 b ! p[] or faculty1 if !re be su*1 :i* ! s\l has ( lov+ ! tru?1 & ( do+ all ?+s = ! sake ( x2 let u se>* into ! pure elem5t ( m9d & intellig5ce1 & !n we %all be able to say :e!r ! sci5ce ( :i* ,i h be5 speak+ is mo/ likely to possess ! faculty1 or :e!r !re be "s o!r :i* has high] claims4 ,,prot>*us3 ,well1 ,i h be5 consid]+1 & ,i c h>dly ?9k t any o!r sci5ce or art has a firm] grasp ( ! tru? ?an ?is4 ,,socrates3 ,d y say s because y obs]ve t ! arts 9 g5]al & ^? engag$ 9 !m make use ( op9ion1 & are resolutely engag$ 9 ! inve/igation ( matt]s ( op9ion8 ,ev5 he :o supposes himself to be occupi$ ) nature is really occupi$ ) ! ?+s ( ?is _w1 h[ creat$1 h[ act+ or act$ ^u4 ,is n ?is ! sort ( enquiry 9 :i* 8 life is sp5t8 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,he is lab\r+1 n aft] et]nal be+1 b ab\t ?+s :i* are becom+1 or :i* w or h become4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true4 ,,socrates3 ,& c we say t any ( ^! ?+s :i* nei!r are nor h be5 nor w be un*angeable1 :5 judg$ by ! /rict rule ( tru? ev] become c]ta98 ,,prot>*us3 ,impossible4 ,,socrates3 ,h[ c any?+ fix$ be conc]n$ ) t :i* has no fix$ness8 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[ inde$8 ,,socrates3 ,!n m9d & sci5ce :5 employ$ ab\t su* *ang+ ?+s d n atta9 ! highe/ tru?8 ,,prot>*us3 ,i %\ld imag9e n4 ,,socrates3 ,& n[ let u bid f>ewell1 a long f>ewell1 to y or me or ,philebus or ,gorgias1 & urge on behalf ( ! argum5t a s+le po9t4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at po9t8 ,,socrates3 ,let u say t ! /able & pure & true & unalloy$ has to d ) ! ?+s :i* are et]nal & un*angeable & unmix$1 or if n1 at any rate :at is mo/ ak9 to !m has2 & t all o!r ?+s are to be plac$ 9 a second or inf]ior class4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true4 ,,socrates3 ,& ( ! names express+ cognition1 ought n ! faire/ to be giv5 to ! faire/ ?+s8 ,,prot>*us3 ,t is natural4 ,,socrates3 ,& are n m9d & wisdom ! names :i* are to be hon\r$ mo/8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,& ^! names may be said to h _! true/ & mo/ exact application :5 ! m9d is engag$ 9 ! contemplation ( true be+8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& ^! 7 ! names :i* ,i adduc$ ( ! rivals ( pleasure8 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,9 ! next place1 z to ! mixture1 "h are ! +r$i5ts1 pleasure & wisdom1 & we may be comp>$ to arti/s :o h _! mat]ials ready to _! h&s4 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,& n[ we mu/ beg9 to mix !m8 ,,prot>*us3 ,by all means4 ,,socrates3 ,b _h we n bett] h a prelim9>y ^w & refre% our memories8 ,,prot>*us3 ,( :at8 ,,socrates3 ,( t :i* ,i h already m5tion$4 ,well says ! prov]b1 t we ought to repeat twice & ev5 ?rice t :i* is good4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,well !n1 by ,zeus1 let u proce$1 & ,i w make :at ,i believe to be a fair summ>y ( ! argum5t4 ,,prot>*us3 ,let me he>4 ,,socrates3 ,philebus says t pleasure is ! true end ( all liv+ be+s1 at :i* all ought to aim1 & moreov] t x is ! *ief good ( all1 & t ! two names 'good' & 'pleasant' are correctly giv5 to "o ?+ & "o nature2 ,socrates1 on ! o!r h&1 beg9s by d5y+ ?is1 & fur!r says1 t 9 nature z 9 "n !y are two1 & t wisdom p>takes m ?an pleasure ( ! good4 ,is n & 0 n ?is :at we 7 say+1 ,prot>*us8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& is !re n & 0 !re n a fur!r po9t :i* 0 conc$$ betwe5 u8 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at 0 x8 ,,socrates3 ,t ! good diff]s f all o!r ?+s4 ,,prot>*us3 ,9 :at respect8 ,,socrates3 ,9 t ! be+ :o possesses good always ev]y:]e & 9 all ?+s has ! mo/ p]fect suffici5cy1 & is nev] 9 ne$ ( any?+ else4 ,,prot>*us3 ,exactly4 ,,socrates3 ,& did we n endeav\r to make an imag9>y sep>ation ( wisdom & pleasure1 assign+ to ea* a di/9ct life1 s t pleasure 0 :olly exclud$ f wisdom1 & wisdom 9 l mann] _h no "p :atev] 9 pleasure8 ,,prot>*us3 ,we did4 ,,socrates3 ,& did we ?9k t ei!r ( !m alone w\ld be suffici5t8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly n4 ,,socrates3 ,& if we err$ 9 any po9t1 !n let any "o :o w1 take up ! enquiry aga9 & set u "r2 & assum+ memory & wisdom & k & true op9ion to belong to ! same class1 let him consid] :e!r he w\ld desire to possess or acquire1--,i w n say pleasure1 h[ev] abundant or int5se1 if he has no real p]ception t he is pleas$1 nor any consci\sness ( :at he feels1 nor any recollection1 h[ev] mom5t>y1 ( ! feel+1--b w\ld he desire to h any?+ at all1 if ^! faculties 7 want+ to him8 ,& ab\t wisdom ,i ask ! same "q2 c y conceive t any "o w\ld *oose to h all wisdom absolutely devoid ( pleasure1 r ?an ) a c]ta9 degree ( pleasure1 or all pleasure devoid ( wisdom1 r ?an ) a c]ta9 degree ( wisdom8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly n1 ,socrates2 b :y repeat su* que/ions any m8 ,,socrates3 ,!n ! p]fect & univ]sally eligible & entirely good _c possibly be ei!r ( !m8 ,,prot>*us3 ,impossible4 ,,socrates3 ,!n n[ we mu/ asc]ta9 ! nature ( ! good m or less accurately1 9 ord]1 z we 7 say+1 t ! second place may be duly assign$4 ,,prot>*us3 ,"r4 ,,socrates3 ,h we n f\nd a road :i* leads t[>ds ! good8 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at road8 ,,socrates3 ,suppos+ t a man _h to be f\nd1 & y c\ld discov] 9 :at h\se he liv$1 w\ld n t be a great /ep t[>ds ! discov]y ( ! man himself8 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& n[ reason intimates to u1 z at our fir/ beg9n+1 t we %\ld seek ! good1 n 9 ! unmix$ life b 9 ! mix$4 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,!re is great] hope ( f9d+ t :i* we are seek+ 9 ! life :i* is well mix$ ?an 9 t :i* is n8 ,,prot>*us3 ,f> great]4 ,,socrates3 ,!n n[ let u m+le1 ,prot>*us1 at ! same "t (f]+ up a pray] to ,dionysus or ,hephae/us1 or :oev] is ! god :o presides ov] ! c]emony ( m+l+4 ,,prot>*us3 ,by all means4 ,,socrates3 ,are n we ! cup-be>]s8 & "h are two f\nta9s :i* are fl[+ at our side3 "o1 :i* is pleasure1 may be lik5$ to a f\nta9 ( honey2 ! o!r1 wisdom1 a sob] draught 9 :i* no w9e m+les1 is ( wat] unpleasant b heal?ful2 out ( ^! we mu/ seek to make ! faire/ ( all possible mixtures4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,tell me fir/2--%\ld we be mo/ likely to succe$ if we m+l$ e sort ( pleasure ) e sort ( wisdom8 ,,prot>*us3 ,p]haps we might4 ,,socrates3 ,b ,i %\ld be afraid ( ! risk1 & ,i ?9k t ,i c %[ a saf] plan4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at is x8 ,,socrates3 ,"o pleasure 0 suppos$ by u to be tru] ?an ano!r1 & "o art to be m exact ?an ano!r4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,!re 0 also suppos$ to be a diff]5ce 9 sci5ces2 "s ( !m reg>d+ only ! transi5t & p]i%+1 & o!rs ! p]man5t & imp]i%able & ev]la/+ & immutable2 & :5 judg$ by ! /&>d ( tru?1 ! latt]1 z we ?\ght1 7 tru] ?an ! =m]4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v good & "r4 ,,socrates3 ,if1 !n1 we 7 to beg9 by m+l+ ! sections ( ea* class :i* h ! mo/ ( tru?1 w n ! union suffice to give u ! lovelie/ ( lives1 or %all we /ill want "s elem5ts ( ano!r k9d8 ,,prot>*us3 ,i ?9k t we ought to d :at y sugge/4 ,,socrates3 ,let u suppose a man :o und]/&s ju/ice1 & has reason z well z und]/&+ ab\t ! true nature ( ?is & ( all o!r ?+s4 ,,prot>*us3 ,we w suppose su* a man4 ,,socrates3 ,w he h en\gh ( k if he is acqua9t$ only ) ! div9e circle & sph]e1 & kn[s no?+ ( our human sph]es & circles1 b uses only div9e circles & measures 9 ! build+ ( a h\se8 ,,prot>*us3 ,! k :i* is only sup]human1 ,socrates1 is ridicul\s 9 man4 ,,socrates3 ,:at d y mean8 ,d y mean t y are to ?r[ into ! cup & m+le ! impure & unc]ta9 art :i* uses ! false measure & ! false circle8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 we mu/1 if any ( u is ev] to f9d 8 way home4 ,,socrates3 ,& am ,i to include music1 :i*1 z ,i 0 say+ j n[1 is full ( guesswork & imitation1 & is want+ 9 purity8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 ,i ?9k t y mu/1 if human life is to be a life at all4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 !n1 suppose t ,i give way1 &1 l a doorkeep] :o is pu%$ & ov]borne by ! mob1 ,i op5 ! door wide1 & let k ( e sort /ream 91 & ! pure m+le ) ! impure8 ,,prot>*us3 ,i d n "k1 ,socrates1 t any great h>m w\ld come ( hav+ !m all1 if only y h ! fir/ sort4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 !n1 %all ,i let !m all fl[ into :at ,hom] poetically t]ms 'a meet+ ( ! wat]s'8 ,,prot>*us3 ,by all means4 ,,socrates3 ,!re--,i h let !m 91 & n[ ,i mu/ return to ! f\nta9 ( pleasure4 ,= we 7 n p]mitt$ to beg9 by m+l+ 9 a s+le /ream ! true portions ( bo? accord+ to our orig9al int5tion2 b ! love ( all k con/ra9$ u to let all ! sci5ces fl[ 9 toge!r be=e ! pleasures4 ,,prot>*us3 ,q true4 ,,socrates3 ,& n[ ! "t has come = u to consid] ab\t ! pleasures also1 :e!r we %all 9 l mann] let !m g all at once1 or at fir/ only ! true ones4 ,,prot>*us3 ,x w be by f> ! saf] c\rse to let fl[ ! true ones fir/4 ,,socrates3 ,let !m fl[1 !n2 & n[1 if !re are any necess>y pleasures1 z !re 7 arts & sci5ces necess>y1 mu/ we n m+le !m8 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes2 ! necess>y pleasures %\ld c]ta9ly be all[$ to m+le4 ,,socrates3 ,! k ( ! arts has be5 admitt$ to be innoc5t & useful always2 & if we say ( pleasures 9 l mann] t all ( !m are good & innoc5t = all ( u at all times1 we mu/ let !m all m+le8 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at %all we say ab\t !m1 & :at c\rse %all we take8 ,,socrates3 ,d n ask me1 ,prot>*us2 b ask ! daught]s ( pleasure & wisdom to answ] = !mselves4 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[8 ,,socrates3 ,tell u1 ,o belov$--%all we call y pleasures or by "s o!r "n8--w\ld y r live ) or )\t wisdom8 ,i am ( op9ion t !y w\ld c]ta9ly answ] z foll[s3 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[8 ,,socrates3 ,!y w\ld answ]1 z we said be=e1 t = any s+le class to be left by itself pure & isolat$ is n good1 nor altoge!r possible2 & t if we are to make comp>isons ( "o class ) ano!r & *oose1 !re is no bett] companion ?an k ( ?+s 9 g5]al1 & likewise ! p]fect k1 if t may be1 ( ourselves 9 e respect4 ,,prot>*us3 ,& our answ] w be3--,9 t ye h spok5 well4 ,,socrates3 ,v true4 ,& n[ let u g back & int]rogate wisdom & m9d3 ,w\ld y l to h any pleasures 9 ! mixture8 ,& !y w reply3--',:at pleasures d y mean8' ,,prot>*us3 ,likely en\gh4 ,,socrates3 ,& we %all take up our p>able & say3 ,d y wi% to h ! greate/ & mo/ vehem5t pleasures = y\r companions 9 addition to ! true ones8 ',:y1 ,socrates1' !y w say1 'h[ c we8 see+ t !y are ! s\rce ( t5 ?\s& h9drances to u2 !y tr\ble ! s\ls ( m51 :i* are our habitation1 ) _! madness2 !y prev5t u f com+ to ! bir?1 & are commonly ! ru9 ( ! *ildr5 :i* are born to u1 caus+ !m to be =gott5 & unhe$$2 b ! true & pure pleasures1 ( :i* y spoke1 "k to be ( our family1 & also ^? pleasures :i* accompany heal? & temp]ance1 & :i* e ,virtue1 l a goddess1 has 9 h] tra9 to foll[ h] ab\t :]ev] %e goes1--m+le ^! & n ! o!rs2 !re w\ld be great want ( s5se 9 any "o :o desires to see a fair & p]fect mixture1 & to f9d 9 x :at is ! highe/ good 9 man & 9 ! univ]se1 & to div9e :at is ! true =m ( good--!re w\ld be great want ( s5se 9 8 all[+ ! pleasures1 :i* are always 9 ! company ( folly & vice1 to m+le ) m9d 9 ! cup4'--,is n ?is a v rational & suitable reply1 :i* m9d has made1 bo? on h] own behalf1 z well z on ! behalf ( memory & true op9ion8 ,,prot>*us3 ,mo/ c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,& /ill !re mu/ be some?+ m add$1 :i* is a necess>y +r$i5t 9 e mixture4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at is t8 ,,socrates3 ,unless tru? ent] into ! composition1 no?+ c truly be creat$ or subsi/4 ,,prot>*us3 ,impossible4 ,,socrates3 ,q impossible2 & n[ y & ,philebus mu/ tell me :e!r any?+ is /ill want+ 9 ! mixture1 = to my way ( ?9k+ ! argum5t is n[ complet$1 & may be comp>$ to an incorporeal law1 :i* is go+ to hold fair rule ov] a liv+ body4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i agree ) y1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,& may we n say ) reason t we are n[ at ! ve/ibule ( ! habitation ( ! good8 ,,prot>*us3 ,i ?9k t we are4 ,,socrates3 ,:at1 !n1 is !re 9 ! mixture :i* is mo/ preci\s1 & :i* is ! pr9cipal cause :y su* a /ate is univ]sally belov$ by all8 ,:5 we h discov]$ x1 we w proce$ to ask :e!r ?is omnipres5t nature is m ak9 to pleasure or to m9d4 ,,prot>*us3 ,q "r2 9 t way we %all be bett] able to judge4 ,,socrates3 ,& !re is no difficulty 9 see+ ! cause :i* r5d]s any mixture ei!r ( ! highe/ value or ( none at all4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at d y mean8 ,,socrates3 ,e man kn[s x4 ,,prot>*us3 ,:at8 ,,socrates3 ,he kn[s t any want ( measure & symmetry 9 any mixture :atev] mu/ always ( necessity be fatal1 bo? to ! elem5ts & to ! mixture1 :i* is !n n a mixture1 b only a confus$ m$ley :i* br+s confusion on ! possessor ( x4 ,,prot>*us3 ,mo/ true4 ,,socrates3 ,& n[ ! p[] ( ! good has retir$ into ! region ( ! beautiful2 = measure & symmetry are beauty & virtue all ! _w ov]4 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,also we said t tru? 0 to =m an elem5t 9 ! mixture4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,!n1 if we are n able to hunt ! good ) "o idea only1 ) ?ree we may cat* our prey2 ,beauty1 ,symmetry1 ,tru? are ! ?ree1 & ^! tak5 toge!r we may reg>d z ! s+le cause ( ! mixture1 & ! mixture z be+ good by reason ( ! infusion ( !m4 ,,prot>*us3 ,q "r4 ,,socrates3 ,& n[1 ,prot>*us1 any man c\ld decide well en\gh :e!r pleasure or wisdom is m ak9 to ! highe/ good1 & m hon\rable among gods & m54 ,,prot>*us3 ,cle>ly1 & yet p]haps ! argum5t _h bett] be pursu$ to ! end4 ,,socrates3 ,we mu/ take ea* ( !m sep>ately 9 _! relation to pleasure & m9d1 & pron\nce ^u !m2 = we ought to see to :i* ( ! two !y are sev]ally mo/ ak94 ,,prot>*us3 ,y are speak+ ( beauty1 tru?1 & measure8 ,,socrates3 ,yes1 ,prot>*us1 take tru? fir/1 &1 aft] pass+ 9 review m9d1 tru?1 pleasure1 pause a:ile & make answ] to y\rself--z to :e!r pleasure or m9d is m ak9 to tru?4 ,,prot>*us3 ,!re is no ne$ to pause1 = ! diff]5ce betwe5 !m is palpable2 pleasure is ! v]ie/ impo/or 9 ! _w2 & x is said t 9 ! pleasures ( love1 :i* appe> to be ! greate/1 p]jury is excus$ by ! gods2 = pleasures1 l *ildr51 h n ! lea/ p>ticle ( reason 9 !m2 :]eas m9d is ei!r ! same z tru?1 or ! mo/ l tru?1 & ! true/4 ,,socrates3 ,%all we next consid] measure1 9 l mann]1 & ask :e!r pleasure has m ( ?is ?an wisdom1 or wisdom ?an pleasure8 ,,prot>*us3 ,"h is ano!r "q :i* may be easily answ]$2 = ,i imag9e t no?+ c ev] be m immod]ate ?an ! transports ( pleasure1 or m 9 con=mity ) measure ?an m9d & k4 ,,socrates3 ,v good2 b !re /ill rema9s ! ?ird te/3 ,has m9d a great] %>e ( beauty ?an pleasure1 & is m9d or pleasure ! fair] ( ! two8 ,,prot>*us3 ,no "o1 ,socrates1 ei!r awake or dream+1 ev] saw or imag9$ m9d or wisdom to be 9 aught unseemly1 at any "t1 pa/1 pres5t1 or future4 ,,socrates3 ,"r4 ,,prot>*us3 ,b :5 we see "s "o indulg+ 9 pleasures1 p]haps 9 ! greate/ ( pleasures1 ! ridicul\s or disgraceful nature ( ! action makes u a%am$2 & s we put !m out ( sight1 & consign !m to d>kness1 "u ! idea t !y ought n to meet ! eye ( day4 ,,socrates3 ,!n1 ,prot>*us1 y w proclaim ev]y:]e1 by ^w ( m\? to ?is company1 & by mess5g]s be>+ ! tid+s f> & wide1 t pleasure is n ! fir/ ( possessions1 nor yet ! second1 b t 9 measure1 & ! mean1 & ! suitable1 & ! l1 ! et]nal nature has be5 f\nd4 ,,prot>*us3 ,yes1 t seems to be ! result ( :at has be5 n[ said4 ,,socrates3 ,9 ! second class is conta9$ ! symmetrical & beautiful & p]fect or suffici5t1 & all :i* are ( t family4 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,& if y reckon 9 ! ?ird class m9d & wisdom1 y w n be f> wrong1 if ,i div9e aright4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i d>e say4 ,,socrates3 ,& w\ld y n put 9 ! f\r? class ! goods :i* we 7 affirm+ to app]ta9 specially to ! s\l--sci5ces & arts & true op9ions z we call$ !m8 ,^! come aft] ! ?ird class1 & =m ! f\r?1 z !y are c]ta9ly m ak9 to good ?an pleasure is4 ,,prot>*us3 ,surely4 ,,socrates3 ,! fif? class are ! pleasures :i* 7 def9$ by u z pa9less1 be+ ! pure pleasures ( ! s\l h]self1 z we t]m$ !m1 :i* accompany1 "s ! sci5ces1 & "s ! s5ses4 ,,prot>*us3 ,p]haps4 ,,socrates3 ,& n[1 z ,orpheus says1 ',) ! six? g5]ation cease ! glory ( my song4' ,"h1 at ! six? aw>d1 let u make an end2 all t rema9s is to set ! cr[n on our disc\rse4 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,!n let u sum up & reass]t :at has be5 said1 ?us (f]+ ! ?ird libation to ! savi\r ,zeus4 ,,prot>*us3 ,h[8 ,,socrates3 ,philebus affirm$ t pleasure 0 always & absolutely ! good4 ,,prot>*us3 ,i und]/&2 ?is ?ird libation1 ,socrates1 ( :i* y spoke1 meant a recapitulation4 ,,socrates3 ,yes1 b li/5 to ! sequel2 conv9c$ ( :at ,i h j be5 say+1 & feel+ indignant at ! doctr9e1 :i* is ma9ta9$1 n by ,philebus only1 b by ?\s&s ( o!rs1 ,i affirm$ t m9d 0 f> bett] & f> m excell5t1 z an elem5t ( human life1 ?an pleasure4 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,b1 suspect+ t !re 7 o!r ?+s :i* 7 also bett]1 ,i w5t on to say t if !re 0 any?+ bett] ?an ei!r1 !n ,i w\ld claim ! second place = m9d ov] pleasure1 & pleasure w\ld lose ! second place z well z ! fir/4 ,,prot>*us3 ,y did4 ,,socrates3 ,no?+ c\ld be m satisfactorily %[n ?an ! unsatisfactory nature ( bo? ( !m4 ,,prot>*us3 ,v true4 ,,socrates3 ,! claims bo? ( pleasure & m9d to be ! absolute good h be5 entirely disprov5 9 ?is argum5t1 because !y are bo? want+ 9 self-suffici5cy & also 9 adequacy & p]fection4 ,,prot>*us3 ,mo/ true4 ,,socrates3 ,b1 ?\gh !y mu/ bo? resign 9 fav\r ( ano!r1 m9d is t5 ?\s& times ne>] & m ak9 to ! nature ( ! conqu]or ?an pleasure4 ,,prot>*us3 ,c]ta9ly4 ,,socrates3 ,&1 accord+ to ! judgm5t :i* has n[ be5 giv51 pleasure w rank fif?4 ,,prot>*us3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,b n fir/2 no1 n ev5 if all ! ox5 & horses & animals 9 ! _w by _! pursuit ( enjoym5t proclaim h] to be s2--al?\gh ! _m tru/+ 9 !m1 z div9]s tru/ 9 birds1 det]m9e t pleasures make up ! good ( life1 & deem ! lu/s ( animals to be bett] witnesses ?an ! inspirations ( div9e philosophy4 ,,prot>*us3 ,& n[1 ,socrates1 we tell y t ! tru? ( :at y h be5 say+ is approv$ by ! judgm5t ( all ( u4 ,,socrates3 ,& w y let me g8 ,,prot>*us3 ,!re is a little :i* yet rema9s1 & ,i w rem9d y ( x1 = ,i am sure t y w n be ! fir/ to g away f an argum5t4