,,theaetetus ,by ,plato ,translated by ,benjamin ,jowett ,,introduction ,,and ,,analysis4 ,some dialogues of ,plato are of so various a character that their relation to the other dialogues cannot be determined with any degree of certainty4 ,the ,theaetetus1 like the ,parmenides1 has points of similarity both with his earlier and his later writings4 ,the perfection of style1 the humour1 the dramatic interest1 the complexity of structure1 the fertility of illustration1 the shifting of the points of view1 are characteristic of his best period of authorship4 ,the vain search1 the negative conclusion1 the figure of the midwives1 the constant profession of ignorance on the part of ,socrates1 also bear the stamp of the early dialogues1 in which the original ,socrates is not yet ,platonized4 ,had we no other indications1 we should be disposed to range the ,theaetetus with the ,apology and the ,phaedrus1 and perhaps even with the ,protagoras and the ,laches4 ,but when we pass from the style to an examination of the subject1 we trace a connection with the later rather than with the earlier dialogues4 ,in the first place there is the connexion1 indicated by ,plato himself at the end of the dialogue1 with the ,sophist1 to which in many respects the ,theaetetus is so little akin4 7#a7 ,the same persons reappear1 including the younger ,socrates1 whose name is just mentioned in the ,theaetetus2 7#b7 the theory of rest1 which ,socrates has declined to consider1 is resumed by the ,eleatic ,stranger2 7#c7 there is a similar allusion in both dialogues to the meeting of ,parmenides and ,socrates 7,theaet41 ,soph472 and 7#d7 the inquiry into not-being in the ,sophist supplements the question of false opinion which is raised in the ,theaetetus4 7,compare also ,theaet4 and ,soph4 for parallel turns of thought47 ,secondly1 the later date of the dialogue is confirmed by the absence of the doctrine of recollection and of any doctrine of ideas except that which derives them from generalization and from reflection of the mind upon itself4 ,the general character of the ,theaetetus is dialectical1 and there are traces of the same ,megarian influences which appear in the ,parmenides1 and which later writers1 in their matter of fact way1 have explained by the residence of ,plato at ,megara4 ,socrates disclaims the character of a professional eristic1 and also1 with a sort of ironical admiration1 expresses his inability to attain the ,megarian precision in the use of terms4 ,yet he too employs a similar sophistical skill in overturning every conceivable theory of knowledge4 ,the direct indications of a date amount to no more than this3 the conversation is said to have taken place when ,theaetetus was a youth1 and shortly before the death of ,socrates4 ,at the time of his own death he is supposed to be a full-grown man4 ,allowing nine or ten years for the interval between youth and manhood1 the dialogue could not have been written earlier than #cij1 when ,plato was about thirty-nine years of age4 ,no more definite date is indicated by the engagement in which ,theaetetus is said to have fallen or to have been wounded1 and which may have taken place any time during the ,corinthian war1 between the years #cij-chg4 ,the later date which has been suggested1 #cfi1 when the ,athenians and ,lacedaemonians disputed the ,isthmus with ,epaminondas1 would make the age of ,theaetetus at his death forty-five or forty-six4 ,this a little impairs the beauty of ,socrates' remark1 that 'he would be a great man if he lived4' ,in this uncertainty about the place of the ,theaetetus1 it seemed better1 as in the case of the ,republic1 ,timaeus1 ,critias1 to retain the order in which ,plato himself has arranged this and the two companion dialogues4 ,we cannot exclude the possibility which has been already noticed in reference to other works of ,plato1 that the ,theaetetus may not have been all written continuously2 or the probability that the ,sophist and ,politicus1 which differ greatly in style1 were only appended after a long interval of time4 ,the allusion to ,parmenides compared with the ,sophist1 would probably imply that the dialogue which is called by his name was already in existence2 unless1 indeed1 we suppose the passage in which the allusion occurs to have been inserted afterwards4 ,again1 the ,theaetetus may be connected with the ,gorgias1 either dialogue from different points of view containing an analysis of the real and apparent 7,schleiermacher72 and both may be brought into relation with the ,apology as illustrating the personal life of ,socrates4 ,the ,philebus1 too1 may with equal reason be placed either after or before what1 in the language of ,thrasyllus1 may be called the ,second ,platonic ,trilogy4 ,both the ,parmenides and the ,sophist1 and still more the ,theaetetus1 have points of affinity with the ,cratylus1 in which the principles of rest and motion are again contrasted1 and the ,sophistical or ,protagorean theory of language is opposed to that which is attributed to the disciple of ,heracleitus1 not to speak of lesser resemblances in thought and language4 ,the ,parmenides1 again1 has been thought by some to hold an intermediate position between the ,theaetetus and the ,sophist2 upon this view1 the ,sophist may be regarded as the answer to the problems about ,one and ,being which have been raised in the ,parmenides4 ,any of these arrangements may suggest new views to the student of ,plato2 none of them can lay claim to an exclusive probability in its favour4 ,the ,theaetetus is one of the narrated dialogues of ,plato1 and is the only one which is supposed to have been written down4 ,in a short introductory scene1 ,euclides and ,terpsion are described as meeting before the door of ,euclides' house in ,megara4 ,this may have been a spot familiar to ,plato 7for ,megara was within a walk of ,athens71 but no importance can be attached to the accidental introduction of the founder of the ,megarian philosophy4 ,the real intention of the preface is to create an interest about the person of ,theaetetus1 who has just been carried up from the army at ,corinth in a dying state4 ,the expectation of his death recalls the promise of his youth1 and especially the famous conversation which ,socrates had with him when he was quite young1 a few days before his own trial and death1 as we are once more reminded at the end of the dialogue4 ,yet we may observe that ,plato has himself forgotten this1 when he represents ,euclides as from time to time coming to ,athens and correcting the copy from ,socrates' own mouth4 ,the narrative1 having introduced ,theaetetus1 and having guaranteed the authenticity of the dialogue 7compare ,symposium1 ,phaedo1 ,parmenides71 is then dropped4 ,no further use is made of the device4 ,as ,plato himself remarks1 who in this as in some other minute points is imitated by ,cicero 7,de ,amicitia71 the interlocutory words are omitted4 ,theaetetus1 the hero of the battle of ,corinth and of the dialogue1 is a disciple of ,theodorus1 the great geometrician1 whose science is thus indicated to be the propaedeutic to philosophy4 ,an interest has been already excited about him by his approaching death1 and now he is introduced to us anew by the praises of his master ,theodorus4 ,he is a youthful ,socrates1 and exhibits the same contrast of the fair soul and the ungainly face and frame1 the ,silenus mask and the god within1 which are described in the ,symposium4 ,the picture which ,theodorus gives of his courage and patience and intelligence and modesty is verified in the course of the dialogue4 ,his courage is shown by his behaviour in the battle1 and his other qualities shine forth as the argument proceeds4 ,socrates takes an evident delight in 'the wise ,theaetetus1' who has more in him than 'many bearded men'2 he is quite inspired by his answers4 ,at first the youth is lost in wonder1 and is almost too modest to speak1 but1 encouraged by ,socrates1 he rises to the occasion1 and grows full of interest and enthusiasm about the great question4 ,like a youth1 he has not finally made up his mind1 and is very ready to follow the lead of ,socrates1 and to enter into each successive phase of the discussion which turns up4 ,his great dialectical talent is shown in his power of drawing distinctions1 and of foreseeing the consequences of his own answers4 ,the enquiry about the nature of knowledge is not new to him2 long ago he has felt the 'pang of philosophy1' and has experienced the youthful intoxication which is depicted in the ,philebus4 ,but he has hitherto been unable to make the transition from mathematics to metaphysics4 ,he can form a general conception of square and oblong numbers1 but he is unable to attain a similar expression of knowledge in the abstract4 ,yet at length he begins to recognize that there are universal conceptions of being1 likeness1 sameness1 number1 which the mind contemplates in herself1 and with the help of ,socrates is conducted from a theory of sense to a theory of ideas4 ,there is no reason to doubt that ,theaetetus was a real person1 whose name survived in the next generation4 ,but neither can any importance be attached to the notices of him in ,suidas and ,proclus1 which are probably based on the mention of him in ,plato4 ,according to a confused statement in ,suidas1 who mentions him twice over1 first1 as a pupil of ,socrates1 and then of ,plato1 he is said to have written the first work on the ,five ,solids4 ,but no early authority cites the work1 the invention of which may have been easily suggested by the division of roots1 which ,plato attributes to him1 and the allusion to the backward state of solid geometry in the ,republic4 ,at any rate1 there is no occasion to recall him to life again after the battle of ,corinth1 in order that we may allow time for the completion of such a work 7,muller74 ,we may also remark that such a supposition entirely destroys the pathetic interest of the introduction4 ,theodorus1 the geometrician1 had once been the friend and disciple of ,protagoras1 but he is very reluctant to leave his retirement and defend his old master4 ,he is too old to learn ,socrates' game of question and answer1 and prefers the digressions to the main argument1 because he finds them easier to follow4 ,the mathematician1 as ,socrates says in the ,republic1 is not capable of giving a reason in the same manner as the dialectician1 and ,theodorus could not therefore have been appropriately introduced as the chief respondent4 ,but he may be fairly appealed to1 when the honour of his master is at stake4 ,he is the 'guardian of his orphans1' although this is a responsibility which he wishes to throw upon ,callias1 the friend and patron of all ,sophists1 declaring that he himself had early 'run away' from philosophy1 and was absorbed in mathematics4 ,his extreme dislike to the ,heraclitean fanatics1 which may be compared with the dislike of ,theaetetus to the materialists1 and his ready acceptance of the noble words of ,socrates1 are noticeable traits of character4 ,the ,socrates of the ,theaetetus is the same as the ,socrates of the earlier dialogues4 ,he is the invincible disputant1 now advanced in years1 of the ,protagoras and ,symposium2 he is still pursuing his divine mission1 his ',herculean labours1' of which he has described the origin in the ,apology2 and he still hears the voice of his oracle1 bidding him receive or not receive the truant souls4 ,there he is supposed to have a mission to convict men of self-conceit2 in the ,theaetetus he has assigned to him by ,god the functions of a man-midwife1 who delivers men of their thoughts1 and under this character he is present throughout the dialogue4 ,he is the true prophet who has an insight into the natures of men1 and can divine their future2 and he knows that sympathy is the secret power which unlocks their thoughts4 ,the hit at ,aristides1 the son of ,lysimachus1 who was specially committed to his charge in the ,laches1 may be remarked by the way4 ,the attempt to discover the definition of knowledge is in accordance with the character of ,socrates as he is described in the ,memorabilia1 asking ,what is justice8 what is temperance8 and the like4 ,but there is no reason to suppose that he would have analyzed the nature of perception1 or traced the connexion of ,protagoras and ,heracleitus1 or have raised the difficulty respecting false opinion4 ,the humorous illustrations1 as well as the serious thoughts1 run through the dialogue4 ,the snubnosedness of ,theaetetus1 a characteristic which he shares with ,socrates1 and the man-midwifery of ,socrates1 are not forgotten in the closing words4 ,at the end of the dialogue1 as in the ,euthyphro1 he is expecting to meet ,meletus at the porch of the king ,archon2 but with the same indifference to the result which is everywhere displayed by him1 he proposes that they shall reassemble on the following day at the same spot4 ,the day comes1 and in the ,sophist the three friends again meet1 but no further allusion is made to the trial1 and the principal share in the argument is assigned1 not to ,socrates1 but to an ,eleatic stranger2 the youthful ,theaetetus also plays a different and less independent part4 ,and there is no allusion in the ,introduction to the second and third dialogues1 which are afterwards appended4 ,there seems1 therefore1 reason to think that there is a real change1 both in the characters and in the design4 ,the dialogue is an enquiry into the nature of knowledge1 which is interrupted by two digressions4 ,the first is the digression about the midwives1 which is also a leading thought or continuous image1 like the wave in the ,republic1 appearing and reappearing at intervals4 ,again and again we are reminded that the successive conceptions of knowledge are extracted from ,theaetetus1 who in his turn truly declares that ,socrates has got a great deal more out of him than ever was in him4 ,socrates is never weary of working out the image in humorous details1--discerning the symptoms of labour1 carrying the child round the hearth1 fearing that ,theaetetus will bite him1 comparing his conceptions to wind-eggs1 asserting an hereditary right to the occupation4 ,there is also a serious side to the image1 which is an apt similitude of the ,socratic theory of education 7compare ,republic1 ,sophist71 and accords with the ironical spirit in which the wisest of men delights to speak of himself4 ,the other digression is the famous contrast of the lawyer and philosopher4 ,this is a sort of landing-place or break in the middle of the dialogue4 ,at the commencement of a great discussion1 the reflection naturally arises1 ,how happy are they who1 like the philosopher1 have time for such discussions 7compare ,republic76 ,there is no reason for the introduction of such a digression2 nor is a reason always needed1 any more than for the introduction of an episode in a poem1 or of a topic in conversation4 ,that which is given by ,socrates is quite sufficient1 viz4 that the philosopher may talk and write as he pleases4 ,but though not very closely connected1 neither is the digression out of keeping with the rest of the dialogue4 ,the philosopher naturally desires to pour forth the thoughts which are always present to him1 and to discourse of the higher life4 ,the idea of knowledge1 although hard to be defined1 is realised in the life of philosophy4 ,and the contrast is the favourite antithesis between the world1 in the various characters of sophist1 lawyer1 statesman1 speaker1 and the philosopher1--between opinion and knowledge1--between the conventional and the true4 ,the greater part of the dialogue is devoted to setting up and throwing down definitions of science and knowledge4 ,proceeding from the lower to the higher by three stages1 in which perception1 opinion1 reasoning are successively examined1 we first get rid of the confusion of the idea of knowledge and specific kinds of knowledge1--a confusion which has been already noticed in the ,lysis1 ,laches1 ,meno1 and other dialogues4 ,in the infancy of logic1 a form of thought has to be invented before the content can be filled up4 ,we cannot define knowledge until the nature of definition has been ascertained4 ,having succeeded in making his meaning plain1 ,socrates proceeds to analyze 7#a7 the first definition which ,theaetetus proposes3 ',knowledge is sensible perception4' ,this is speedily identified with the ,protagorean saying1 ',man is the measure of all things2' and of this again the foundation is discovered in the perpetual flux of ,heracleitus4 ,the relativeness of sensation is then developed at length1 and for a moment the definition appears to be accepted4 ,but soon the ,protagorean thesis is pronounced to be suicidal2 for the adversaries of ,protagoras are as good a measure as he is1 and they deny his doctrine4 ,he is then supposed to reply that the perception may be true at any given instant4 ,but the reply is in the end shown to be inconsistent with the ,heraclitean foundation1 on which the doctrine has been affirmed to rest4 ,for if the ,heraclitean flux is extended to every sort of change in every instant of time1 how can any thought or word be detained even for an instant8 ,sensible perception1 like everything else1 is tumbling to pieces4 ,nor can ,protagoras himself maintain that one man is as good as another in his knowledge of the future2 and 'the expedient1' if not 'the just and true1' belongs to the sphere of the future4 ,and so we must ask again1 ,what is knowledge8 ,the comparison of sensations with one another implies a principle which is above sensation1 and which resides in the mind itself4 ,we are thus led to look for knowledge in a higher sphere1 and accordingly ,theaetetus1 when again interrogated1 replies 7#b7 that 'knowledge is true opinion4' ,but how is false opinion possible8 ,the ,megarian or ,eristic spirit within us revives the question1 which has been already asked and indirectly answered in the ,meno3 ',how can a man be ignorant of that which he knows8' ,no answer is given to this not unanswerable question4 ,the comparison of the mind to a block of wax1 or to a decoy of birds1 is found wanting4 ,but are we not inverting the natural order in looking for opinion before we have found knowledge8 ,and knowledge is not true opinion2 for the ,athenian dicasts have true opinion but not knowledge4 ,what then is knowledge8 ,we answer 7#c71 ',true opinion1 with definition or explanation4' ,but all the different ways in which this statement may be understood are set aside1 like the definitions of courage in the ,laches1 or of friendship in the ,lysis1 or of temperance in the ,charmides4 ,at length we arrive at the conclusion1 in which nothing is concluded4 ,there are two special difficulties which beset the student of the ,theaetetus3 7#a7 he is uncertain how far he can trust ,plato's account of the theory of ,protagoras2 and he is also uncertain 7#b7 how far1 and in what parts of the dialogue1 ,plato is expressing his own opinion4 ,the dramatic character of the work renders the answer to both these questions difficult4 #a4 ,in reply to the first1 we have only probabilities to offer4 ,three main points have to be decided3 7a7 ,would ,protagoras have identified his own thesis1 ',man is the measure of all things1' with the other1 ',all knowledge is sensible perception'8 7b7 ,would he have based the relativity of knowledge on the ,heraclitean flux8 7c7 ,would he have asserted the absoluteness of sensation at each instant8 ,of the work of ,protagoras on ',truth' we know nothing1 with the exception of the two famous fragments1 which are cited in this dialogue1 ',man is the measure of all things1' and1 ',whether there are gods or not1 ,i cannot tell4' ,nor have we any other trustworthy evidence of the tenets of ,protagoras1 or of the sense in which his words are used4 ,for later writers1 including ,aristotle in his ,metaphysics1 have mixed up the ,protagoras of ,plato1 as they have the ,socrates of ,plato1 with the real person4 ,returning then to the ,theaetetus1 as the only possible source from which an answer to these questions can be obtained1 we may remark1 that ,plato had ',the ,truth' of ,protagoras before him1 and frequently refers to the book4 ,he seems to say expressly1 that in this work the doctrine of the ,heraclitean flux was not to be found2 'he told the real truth' 7not in the book1 which is so entitled1 but7 'privately to his disciples1'--words which imply that the connexion between the doctrines of ,protagoras and ,heracleitus was not generally recognized in ,greece1 but was really discovered or invented by ,plato4 ,on the other hand1 the doctrine that ',man is the measure of all things1' is expressly identified by ,socrates with the other statement1 that ',what appears to each man is to him2' and a reference is made to the books in which the statement occurs2--this ,theaetetus1 who has 'often read the books1' is supposed to acknowledge 7so ,cratylus74 ,and ,protagoras1 in the speech attributed to him1 never says that he has been misunderstood3 he rather seems to imply that the absoluteness of sensation at each instant was to be found in his words4 ,he is only indignant at the 'reductio ad absurdum' devised by ,socrates for his 'homo mensura1' which ,theodorus also considers to be 'really too bad4' ,the question may be raised1 how far ,plato in the ,theaetetus could have misrepresented ,protagoras without violating the laws of dramatic probability4 ,could he have pretended to cite from a well-known writing what was not to be found there8 ,but such a shadowy enquiry is not worth pursuing further4 ,we need only remember that in the criticism which follows of the thesis of ,protagoras1 we are criticizing the ,protagoras of ,plato1 and not attempting to draw a precise line between his real sentiments and those which ,plato has attributed to him4 #b4 ,the other difficulty is a more subtle1 and also a more important one1 because bearing on the general character of the ,platonic dialogues4 ,on a first reading of them1 we are apt to imagine that the truth is only spoken by ,socrates1 who is never guilty of a fallacy himself1 and is the great detector of the errors and fallacies of others4 ,but this natural presumption is disturbed by the discovery that the ,sophists are sometimes in the right and ,socrates in the wrong4 ,like the hero of a novel1 he is not to be supposed always to represent the sentiments of the author4 ,there are few modern readers who do not side with ,protagoras1 rather than with ,socrates1 in the dialogue which is called by his name4 ,the ,cratylus presents a similar difficulty3 in his etymologies1 as in the number of the ,state1 we cannot tell how far ,socrates is serious2 for the ,socratic irony will not allow him to distinguish between his real and his assumed wisdom4 ,no one is the superior of the invincible ,socrates in argument 7except in the first part of the ,parmenides1 where he is introduced as a youth72 but he is by no means supposed to be in possession of the whole truth4 ,arguments are often put into his mouth 7compare ,introduction to the ,gorgias7 which must have seemed quite as untenable to ,plato as to a modern writer4 ,in this dialogue a great part of the answer of ,protagoras is just and sound2 remarks are made by him on verbal criticism1 and on the importance of understanding an opponent's meaning1 which are conceived in the true spirit of philosophy4 ,and the distinction which he is supposed to draw between ,eristic and ,dialectic1 is really a criticism of ,plato on himself and his own criticism of ,protagoras4 ,the difficulty seems to arise from not attending to the dramatic character of the writings of ,plato4 ,there are two1 or more1 sides to questions2 and these are parted among the different speakers4 ,sometimes one view or aspect of a question is made to predominate over the rest1 as in the ,gorgias or ,sophist2 but in other dialogues truth is divided1 as in the ,laches and ,protagoras1 and the interest of the piece consists in the contrast of opinions4 ,the confusion caused by the irony of ,socrates1 who1 if he is true to his character1 cannot say anything of his own knowledge1 is increased by the circumstance that in the ,theaetetus and some other dialogues he is occasionally playing both parts himself1 and even charging his own arguments with unfairness4 ,in the ,theaetetus he is designedly held back from arriving at a conclusion4 ,for we cannot suppose that ,plato conceived a definition of knowledge to be impossible4 ,but this is his manner of approaching and surrounding a question4 ,the lights which he throws on his subject are indirect1 but they are not the less real for that4 ,he has no intention of proving a thesis by a cut-and-dried argument2 nor does he imagine that a great philosophical problem can be tied up within the limits of a definition4 ,if he has analyzed a proposition or notion1 even with the severity of an impossible logic1 if half-truths have been compared by him with other half-truths1 if he has cleared up or advanced popular ideas1 or illustrated a new method1 his aim has been sufficiently accomplished4 ,the writings of ,plato belong to an age in which the power of analysis had outrun the means of knowledge2 and through a spurious use of dialectic1 the distinctions which had been already 'won from the void and formless infinite1' seemed to be rapidly returning to their original chaos4 ,the two great speculative philosophies1 which a century earlier had so deeply impressed the mind of ,hellas1 were now degenerating into ,eristic4 ,the contemporaries of ,plato and ,socrates were vainly trying to find new combinations of them1 or to transfer them from the object to the subject4 ,the ,megarians1 in their first attempts to attain a severer logic1 were making knowledge impossible 7compare ,theaet474 ,they were asserting 'the one good under many names1' and1 like the ,cynics1 seem to have denied predication1 while the ,cynics themselves were depriving virtue of all which made virtue desirable in the eyes of ,socrates and ,plato4 ,and besides these1 we find mention in the later writings of ,plato1 especially in the ,theaetetus1 ,sophist1 and ,laws1 of certain impenetrable godless persons1 who will not believe what they 'cannot hold in their hands'2 and cannot be approached in argument1 because they cannot argue 7,theat2 ,soph474 ,no school of ,greek philosophers exactly answers to these persons1 in whom ,plato may perhaps have blended some features of the ,atomists with the vulgar materialistic tendencies of mankind in general 7compare ,introduction to the ,sophist74 ,and not only was there a conflict of opinions1 but the stage which the mind had reached presented other difficulties hardly intelligible to us1 who live in a different cycle of human thought4 ,all times of mental progress are times of confusion2 we only see1 or rather seem to see things clearly1 when they have been long fixed and defined4 ,in the age of ,plato1 the limits of the world of imagination and of pure abstraction1 of the old world and the new1 were not yet fixed4 ,the ,greeks1 in the fourth century before ,christ1 had no words for 'subject' and 'object1' and no distinct conception of them2 yet they were always hovering about the question involved in them4 ,the analysis of sense1 and the analysis of thought1 were equally difficult to them2 and hopelessly confused by the attempt to solve them1 not through an appeal to facts1 but by the help of general theories respecting the nature of the universe4 ,plato1 in his ,theaetetus1 gathers up the sceptical tendencies of his age1 and compares them4 ,but he does not seek to reconstruct out of them a theory of knowledge4 ,the time at which such a theory could be framed had not yet arrived4 ,for there was no measure of experience with which the ideas swarming in men's minds could be compared2 the meaning of the word 'science' could scarcely be explained to them1 except from the mathematical sciences1 which alone offered the type of universality and certainty4 ,philosophy was becoming more and more vacant and abstract1 and not only the ,platonic ,ideas and the ,eleatic ,being1 but all abstractions seemed to be at variance with sense and at war with one another4 ,the want of the ,greek mind in the fourth century before ,christ was not another theory of rest or motion1 or ,being or atoms1 but rather a philosophy which could free the mind from the power of abstractions and alternatives1 and show how far rest and how far motion1 how far the universal principle of ,being and the multitudinous principle of atoms1 entered into the composition of the world2 which could distinguish between the true and false analogy1 and allow the negative as well as the positive a place in human thought4 ,to such a philosophy ,plato1 in the ,theaetetus1 offers many contributions4 ,he has followed philosophy into the region of mythology1 and pointed out the similarities of opposing phases of thought4 ,he has also shown that extreme abstractions are self-destructive1 and1 indeed1 hardly distinguishable from one another4 ,but his intention is not to unravel the whole subject of knowledge1 if this had been possible2 and several times in the course of the dialogue he rejects explanations of knowledge which have germs of truth in them2 as1 for example1 'the resolution of the compound into the simple2' or 'right opinion with a mark of difference4' 444 ,terpsion1 who has come to ,megara from the country1 is described as having looked in vain for ,euclides in the ,agora2 the latter explains that he has been down to the harbour1 and on his way thither had met ,theaetetus1 who was being carried up from the army to ,athens4 ,he was scarcely alive1 for he had been badly wounded at the battle of ,corinth1 and had taken the dysentery which prevailed in the camp4 ,the mention of his condition suggests the reflection1 ',what a loss he will be6' ',yes1 indeed1' replies ,euclid2 'only just now ,i was hearing of his noble conduct in the battle4' ',that ,i should expect2 but why did he not remain at ,megara8' ',i wanted him to remain1 but he would not2 so ,i went with him as far as ,erineum2 and as ,i parted from him1 ,i remembered that ,socrates had seen him when he was a youth1 and had a remarkable conversation with him1 not long before his own death2 and he then prophesied of him that he would be a great man if he lived4' ',how true that has been2 how like all that ,socrates said6 ,and could you repeat the conversation8' ',not from memory2 but ,i took notes when ,i returned home1 which ,i afterwards filled up at leisure1 and got ,socrates to correct them from time to time1 when ,i came to ,athens'444,terpsion had long intended to ask for a sight of this writing1 of which he had already heard4 ,they are both tired1 and agree to rest and have the conversation read to them by a servant444',here is the roll1 ,terpsion2 ,i need only observe that ,i have omitted1 for the sake of convenience1 the interlocutory words1 said ,i1 said he2 and that ,theaetetus1 and ,theodorus1 the geometrician of ,cyrene1 are the persons with whom ,socrates is conversing4' ,socrates begins by asking ,theodorus whether1 in his visit to ,athens1 he has found any ,athenian youth likely to attain distinction in science4 ',yes1 ,socrates1 there is one very remarkable youth1 with whom ,i have become acquainted4 ,he is no beauty1 and therefore you need not imagine that ,i am in love with him2 and1 to say the truth1 he is very like you1 for he has a snub nose1 and projecting eyes1 although these features are not so marked in him as in you4 ,he combines the most various qualities1 quickness1 patience1 courage2 and he is gentle as well as wise1 always silently flowing on1 like a river of oil4 ,look6 he is the middle one of those who are entering the palaestra4' ,socrates1 who does not know his name1 recognizes him as the son of ,euphronius1 who was himself a good man and a rich4 ,he is informed by ,theodorus that the youth is named ,theaetetus1 but the property of his father has disappeared in the hands of trustees2 this does not1 however1 prevent him from adding liberality to his other virtues4 ,at the desire of ,socrates he invites ,theaetetus to sit by them4 ',yes1' says ,socrates1 'that ,i may see in you1 ,theaetetus1 the image of my ugly self1 as ,theodorus declares4 ,not that his remark is of any importance2 for though he is a philosopher1 he is not a painter1 and therefore he is no judge of our faces2 but1 as he is a man of science1 he may be a judge of our intellects4 ,and if he were to praise the mental endowments of either of us1 in that case the hearer of the eulogy ought to examine into what he says1 and the subject should not refuse to be examined4' ,theaetetus consents1 and is caught in a trap 7compare the similar trap which is laid for ,theodorus74 ',then1 ,theaetetus1 you will have to be examined1 for ,theodorus has been praising you in a style of which ,i never heard the like4' ',he was only jesting4' ',nay1 that is not his way2 and ,i cannot allow you1 on that pretence1 to retract the assent which you have already given1 or ,i shall make ,theodorus repeat your praises1 and swear to them4' ,theaetetus1 in reply1 professes that he is willing to be examined1 and ,socrates begins by asking him what he learns of ,theodorus4 ,he is himself anxious to learn anything of anybody2 and now he has a little question to which he wants ,theaetetus or ,theodorus 7or whichever of the company would not be 'donkey' to the rest7 to find an answer4 ,without further preface1 but at the same time apologizing for his eagerness1 he asks1 ',what is knowledge8' ,theodorus is too old to answer questions1 and begs him to interrogate ,theaetetus1 who has the advantage of youth4 ,theaetetus replies1 that knowledge is what he learns of ,theodorus1 i4e4 geometry and arithmetic2 and that there are other kinds of knowledge--shoemaking1 carpentering1 and the like4 ,but ,socrates rejoins1 that this answer contains too much and also too little4 ,for although ,theaetetus has enumerated several kinds of knowledge1 he has not explained the common nature of them2 as if he had been asked1 ',what is clay8' and instead of saying ',clay is moistened earth1' he had answered1 ',there is one clay of image-makers1 another of potters1 another of oven-makers4' ,theaetetus at once divines that ,socrates means him to extend to all kinds of knowledge the same process of generalization which he has already learned to apply to arithmetic4 ,for he has discovered a division of numbers into square numbers1 #d1 #i1 #af1 etc41 which are composed of equal factors1 and represent figures which have equal sides1 and oblong numbers1 #c1 #e1 #f1 #g1 etc41 which are composed of unequal factors1 and represent figures which have unequal sides4 ,but he has never succeeded in attaining a similar conception of knowledge1 though he has often tried2 and1 when this and similar questions were brought to him from ,socrates1 has been sorely distressed by them4 ,socrates explains to him that he is in labour4 ,for men as well as women have pangs of labour2 and both at times require the assistance of midwives4 ,and he1 ,socrates1 is a midwife1 although this is a secret2 he has inherited the art from his mother bold and bluff1 and he ushers into light1 not children1 but the thoughts of men4 ,like the midwives1 who are 'past bearing children1' he too can have no offspring--the ,god will not allow him to bring anything into the world of his own4 ,he also reminds ,theaetetus that the midwives are or ought to be the only matchmakers 7this is the preparation for a biting jest72 for those who reap the fruit are most likely to know on what soil the plants will grow4 ,but respectable midwives avoid this department of practice--they do not want to be called procuresses4 ,there are some other differences between the two sorts of pregnancy4 ,for women do not bring into the world at one time real children and at another time idols which are with difficulty distinguished from them4 ',at first1' says ,socrates in his character of the man-midwife1 'my patients are barren and stolid1 but after a while they round apace1 if the gods are propitious to them2 and this is due not to me but to themselves2 ,i and the god only assist in bringing their ideas to the birth4 ,many of them have left me too soon1 and the result has been that they have produced abortions2 or when ,i have delivered them of children they have lost them by an ill bringing up1 and have ended by seeing themselves1 as others see them1 to be great fools4 ,aristides1 the son of ,lysimachus1 is one of these1 and there have been others4 ,the truants often return to me and beg to be taken back2 and then1 if my familiar allows me1 which is not always the case1 ,i receive them1 and they begin to grow again4 ,there come to me also those who have nothing in them1 and have no need of my art2 and ,i am their matchmaker 7see above71 and marry them to ,prodicus or some other inspired sage who is likely to suit them4 ,i tell you this long story because ,i suspect that you are in labour4 ,come then to me1 who am a midwife1 and the son of a midwife1 and ,i will deliver you4 ,and do not bite me1 as the women do1 if ,i abstract your first-born2 for ,i am acting out of good-will towards you2 the ,god who is within me is the friend of man1 though he will not allow me to dissemble the truth4 ,once more then1 ,theaetetus1 ,i repeat my old question--,what is knowledge8 ,take courage1 and by the help of ,god you will discover an answer4' ',my answer is1 that knowledge is perception4' ',that is the theory of ,protagoras1 who has another way of expressing the same thing when he says1 ,man is the measure of all things4 ,he was a very wise man1 and we should try to understand him4 ,in order to illustrate his meaning let me suppose that there is the same wind blowing in our faces1 and one of us may be hot and the other cold4 ,how is this8 ,protagoras will reply that the wind is hot to him who is cold1 cold to him who is hot4 ,and is means appears1 and when you say appears to him1 that means he feels4 ,thus feeling1 appearance1 perception1 coincide with being4 ,i suspect1 however1 that this was only a facon de parler1 by which he imposed on the common herd like you and me2 he told the truth 7in allusion to the title of his book1 which was called ,the ,truth7 in secret to his disciples4 ,for he was really a votary of that famous philosophy in which all things are said to be relative2 nothing is great or small1 or heavy or light1 or one1 but all is in motion and mixture and transition and flux and generation1 not being1 as we ignorantly affirm1 but becoming4 ,this has been the doctrine1 not of ,protagoras only1 but of all philosophers1 with the single exception of ,parmenides2 ,empedocles1 ,heracleitus1 and others1 and all the poets1 with ,epicharmus1 the king of ,comedy1 and ,homer1 the king of ,tragedy1 at their head1 have said the same2 the latter has these words-- ,ocean1 whence the gods sprang1 and mother ,tethys4 ,and many arguments are used to show1 that motion is the source of life1 and rest of death3 fire and warmth are produced by friction1 and living creatures owe their origin to a similar cause2 the bodily frame is preserved by exercise and destroyed by indolence2 and if the sun ceased to move1 chaos would come again4 ,now apply this doctrine of ,all is motion to the senses1 and first of all to the sense of sight4 ,the colour of white1 or any other colour1 is neither in the eyes nor out of them1 but ever in motion between the object and the eye1 and varying in the case of every percipient4 ,all is relative1 and1 as the followers of ,protagoras remark1 endless contradictions arise when we deny this2 e4g4 here are six dice2 they are more than four and less than twelve2 more and also less1 would you not say8' ',yes4' ',but ,protagoras will retort3 ,can anything be more or less without addition or subtraction8' ',i should say ,no if ,i were not afraid of contradicting my former answer4' ',and if you say ,yes1 the tongue will escape conviction but not the mind1 as ,euripides would say8' ',true4' ',the thoroughbred ,sophists1 who know all that can be known1 would have a sparring match over this1 but you and ,i1 who have no professional pride1 want only to discover whether our ideas are clear and consistent4 ,and we cannot be wrong in saying1 first1 that nothing can be greater or less while remaining equal2 secondly1 that there can be no becoming greater or less without addition or subtraction2 thirdly1 that what is and was not1 cannot be without having become4 ,but then how is this reconcilable with the case of the dice1 and with similar examples8--that is the question4' ',i am often perplexed and amazed1 ,socrates1 by these difficulties4' ',that is because you are a philosopher1 for philosophy begins in wonder1 and ,iris is the child of ,thaumas4 ,do you know the original principle on which the doctrine of ,protagoras is based8' ',no4' ',then ,i will tell you2 but we must not let the uninitiated hear1 and by the uninitiated ,i mean the obstinate people who believe in nothing which they cannot hold in their hands4 ,the brethren whose mysteries ,i am about to unfold to you are far more ingenious4 ,they maintain that all is motion2 and that motion has two forms1 action and passion1 out of which endless phenomena are created1 also in two forms--sense and the object of sense--which come to the birth together4 ,there are two kinds of motions1 a slow and a fast2 the motions of the agent and the patient are slower1 because they move and create in and about themselves1 but the things which are born of them have a swifter motion1 and pass rapidly from place to place4 ,the eye and the appropriate object come together1 and give birth to whiteness and the sensation of whiteness2 the eye is filled with seeing1 and becomes not sight but a seeing eye1 and the object is filled with whiteness1 and becomes not whiteness but white2 and no other compound of either with another would have produced the same effect4 ,all sensation is to be resolved into a similar combination of an agent and patient4 ,of either1 taken separately1 no idea can be formed2 and the agent may become a patient1 and the patient an agent4 ,hence there arises a general reflection that nothing is1 but all things become2 no name can detain or fix them4 ,are not these speculations charming1 ,theaetetus1 and very good for a person in your interesting situation8 ,i am offering you specimens of other men's wisdom1 because ,i have no wisdom of my own1 and ,i want to deliver you of something2 and presently we will see whether you have brought forth wind or not4 ,tell me1 then1 what do you think of the notion that ,all things are becoming8' ',when ,i hear your arguments1 ,i am marvellously ready to assent4' ',but ,i ought not to conceal from you that there is a serious objection which may be urged against this doctrine of ,protagoras4 ,for there are states1 such as madness and dreaming1 in which perception is false2 and half our life is spent in dreaming2 and who can say that at this instant we are not dreaming8 ,even the fancies of madmen are real at the time4 ,but if knowledge is perception1 how can we distinguish between the true and the false in such cases8 ,having stated the objection1 ,i will now state the answer4 ,protagoras would deny the continuity of phenomena2 he would say that what is different is entirely different1 and whether active or passive has a different power4 ,there are infinite agents and patients in the world1 and these produce in every combination of them a different perception4 ,take myself as an instance3--,socrates may be ill or he may be well1--and remember that ,socrates1 with all his accidents1 is spoken of4 ,the wine which ,i drink when ,i am well is pleasant to me1 but the same wine is unpleasant to me when ,i am ill4 ,and there is nothing else from which ,i can receive the same impression1 nor can another receive the same impression from the wine4 ,neither can ,i and the object of sense become separately what we become together4 ,for the one in becoming is relative to the other1 but they have no other relation2 and the combination of them is absolute at each moment4 7,in modern language1 the act of sensation is really indivisible1 though capable of a mental analysis into subject and object47 ,my sensation alone is true1 and true to me only4 ,and therefore1 as ,protagoras says1 ,to myself ,i am the judge of what is and what is not4 ,thus the flux of ,homer and ,heracleitus1 the great ,protagorean saying that ,man is the measure of all things1 the doctrine of ,theaetetus that ,knowledge is perception1 have all the same meaning4 ,and this is thy new-born child1 which by my art ,i have brought to light2 and you must not be angry if instead of rearing your infant we expose him4' ',theaetetus will not be angry1' says ,theodorus2 'he is very good-natured4 ,but ,i should like to know1 ,socrates1 whether you mean to say that all this is untrue8' ',first reminding you that ,i am not the bag which contains the arguments1 but that ,i extract them from ,theaetetus1 shall ,i tell you what amazes me in your friend ,protagoras8' ',what may that be8' ',i like his doctrine that what appears is2 but ,i wonder that he did not begin his great work on ,truth with a declaration that a pig1 or a dog-faced baboon1 or any other monster which has sensation1 is a measure of all things2 then1 while we were reverencing him as a god1 he might have produced a magnificent effect by expounding to us that he was no wiser than a tadpole4 ,for if sensations are always true1 and one man's discernment is as good as another's1 and every man is his own judge1 and everything that he judges is right and true1 then what need of ,protagoras to be our instructor at a high figure2 and why should we be less knowing than he is1 or have to go to him1 if every man is the measure of all things8 ,my own art of midwifery1 and all dialectic1 is an enormous folly1 if ,protagoras' ,truth be indeed truth1 and the philosopher is not merely amusing himself by giving oracles out of his book4' ,theodorus thinks that ,socrates is unjust to his master1 ,protagoras2 but he is too old and stiff to try a fall with him1 and therefore refers him to ,theaetetus1 who is already driven out of his former opinion by the arguments of ,socrates4 ,socrates then takes up the defence of ,protagoras1 who is supposed to reply in his own person--',good people1 you sit and declaim about the gods1 of whose existence or non-existence ,i have nothing to say1 or you discourse about man being reduced to the level of the brutes2 but what proof have you of your statements8 ,and yet surely you and ,theodorus had better reflect whether probability is a safe guide4 ,theodorus would be a bad geometrician if he had nothing better to offer4'444,theaetetus is affected by the appeal to geometry1 and ,socrates is induced by him to put the question in a new form4 ,he proceeds as follows3--',should we say that we know what we see and hear1--e4g4 the sound of words or the sight of letters in a foreign tongue8' ',we should say that the figures of the letters1 and the pitch of the voice in uttering them1 were known to us1 but not the meaning of them4' ',excellent2 ,i want you to grow1 and therefore ,i will leave that answer and ask another question3 ,is not seeing perceiving8' ',very true4' ',and he who sees knows8' ',yes4' ',and he who remembers1 remembers that which he sees and knows8' ',very true4' ',but if he closes his eyes1 does he not remember8' ',he does4' ',then he may remember and not see2 and if seeing is knowing1 he may remember and not know4 ,is not this a reductio ad absurdum of the hypothesis that knowledge is sensible perception8 ,yet perhaps we are crowing too soon2 and if ,protagoras1 the father of the myth1 had been alive1 the result might have been very different4 ,but he is dead1 and ,theodorus1 whom he left guardian of his orphan1 has not been very zealous in defending him4' ,theodorus objects that ,callias is the true guardian1 but he hopes that ,socrates will come to the rescue4 ,socrates prefaces his defence by resuming the attack4 ,he asks whether a man can know and not know at the same time8 ',impossible4' ,quite possible1 if you maintain that seeing is knowing4 ,the confident adversary1 suiting the action to the word1 shuts one of your eyes2 and now1 says he1 you see and do not see1 but do you know and not know8 ,and a fresh opponent darts from his ambush1 and transfers to knowledge the terms which are commonly applied to sight4 ,he asks whether you can know near and not at a distance2 whether you can have a sharp and also a dull knowledge4 ,while you are wondering at his incomparable wisdom1 he gets you into his power1 and you will not escape until you have come to an understanding with him about the money which is to be paid for your release4 ,but ,protagoras has not yet made his defence2 and already he may be heard contemptuously replying that he is not responsible for the admissions which were made by a boy1 who could not foresee the coming move1 and therefore had answered in a manner which enabled ,socrates to raise a laugh against himself4 ',but ,i cannot be fairly charged1' he will say1 'with an answer which ,i should not have given2 for ,i never maintained that the memory of a feeling is the same as a feeling1 or denied that a man might know and not know the same thing at the same time4 ,or1 if you will have extreme precision1 ,i say that man in different relations is many or rather infinite in number4 ,and ,i challenge you1 either to show that his perceptions are not individual1 or that if they are1 what appears to him is not what is4 ,as to your pigs and baboons1 you are yourself a pig1 and you make my writings a sport of other swine4 ,but ,i still affirm that man is the measure of all things1 although ,i admit that one man may be a thousand times better than another1 in proportion as he has better impressions4 ,neither do ,i deny the existence of wisdom or of the wise man4 ,but ,i maintain that wisdom is a practical remedial power of turning evil into good1 the bitterness of disease into the sweetness of health1 and does not consist in any greater truth or superior knowledge4 ,for the impressions of the sick are as true as the impressions of the healthy2 and the sick are as wise as the healthy4 ,nor can any man be cured of a false opinion1 for there is no such thing2 but he may be cured of the evil habit which generates in him an evil opinion4 ,this is effected in the body by the drugs of the physician1 and in the soul by the words of the ,sophist2 and the new state or opinion is not truer1 but only better than the old4 ,and philosophers are not tadpoles1 but physicians and husbandmen1 who till the soil and infuse health into animals and plants1 and make the good take the place of the evil1 both in individuals and states4 ,wise and good rhetoricians make the good to appear just in states 7for that is just which appears just to a state71 and in return1 they deserve to be well paid4 ,and you1 ,socrates1 whether you please or not1 must continue to be a measure4 ,this is my defence1 and ,i must request you to meet me fairly4 ,we are professing to reason1 and not merely to dispute2 and there is a great difference between reasoning and disputation4 ,for the disputer is always seeking to trip up his opponent2 and this is a mode of argument which disgusts men with philosophy as they grow older4 ,but the reasoner is trying to understand him and to point out his errors to him1 whether arising from his own or from his companion's fault2 he does not argue from the customary use of names1 which the vulgar pervert in all manner of ways4 ,if you are gentle to an adversary he will follow and love you2 and if defeated he will lay the blame on himself1 and seek to escape from his own prejudices into philosophy4 ,i would recommend you1 ,socrates1 to adopt this humaner method1 and to avoid captious and verbal criticisms4' ,such1 ,theodorus1 is the very slight help which ,i am able to afford to your friend2 had he been alive1 he would have helped himself in far better style4 ',you have made a most valorous defence4' ,yes2 but did you observe that ,protagoras bade me be serious1 and complained of our getting up a laugh against him with the aid of a boy8 ,he meant to intimate that you must take the place of ,theaetetus1 who may be wiser than many bearded men1 but not wiser than you1 ,theodorus4 ',the rule of the ,spartan ,palaestra is1 ,strip or depart2 but you are like the giant ,antaeus1 and will not let me depart unless ,i try a fall with you4' ,yes1 that is the nature of my complaint4 ,and many a ,hercules1 many a ,theseus mighty in deeds and words has broken my head2 but ,i am always at this rough game4 ,please1 then1 to favour me4 ',on the condition of not exceeding a single fall1 ,i consent4' ,socrates now resumes the argument4 ,as he is very desirous of doing justice to ,protagoras1 he insists on citing his own words1--',what appears to each man is to him4' ,and how1 asks ,socrates1 are these words reconcileable with the fact that all mankind are agreed in thinking themselves wiser than others in some respects1 and inferior to them in others8 ,in the hour of danger they are ready to fall down and worship any one who is their superior in wisdom as if he were a god4 ,and the world is full of men who are asking to be taught and willing to be ruled1 and of other men who are willing to rule and teach them4 ,all which implies that men do judge of one another's impressions1 and think some wise and others foolish4 ,how will ,protagoras answer this argument8 ,for he cannot say that no one deems another ignorant or mistaken4 ,if you form a judgment1 thousands and tens of thousands are ready to maintain the opposite4 ,the multitude may not and do not agree in ,protagoras' own thesis that ',man is the measure of all things2' and then who is to decide8 ,upon his own showing must not his 'truth' depend on the number of suffrages1 and be more or less true in proportion as he has more or fewer of them8 ,and he must acknowledge further1 that they speak truly who deny him to speak truly1 which is a famous jest4 ,and if he admits that they speak truly who deny him to speak truly1 he must admit that he himself does not speak truly4 ,but his opponents will refuse to admit this of themselves1 and he must allow that they are right in their refusal4 ,the conclusion is1 that all mankind1 including ,protagoras himself1 will deny that he speaks truly2 and his truth will be true neither to himself nor to anybody else4 ,theodorus is inclined to think that this is going too far4 ,socrates ironically replies1 that he is not going beyond the truth4 ,but if the old ,protagoras could only pop his head out of the world below1 he would doubtless give them both a sound castigation and be off to the shades in an instant4 ,seeing that he is not within call1 we must examine the question for ourselves4 ,it is clear that there are great differences in the understandings of men4 ,admitting1 with ,protagoras1 that immediate sensations of hot1 cold1 and the like1 are to each one such as they appear1 yet this hypothesis cannot be extended to judgments or opinions4 ,and even if we were to admit further1--and this is the view of some who are not thorough-going followers of ,protagoras1--that right and wrong1 holy and unholy1 are to each state or individual such as they appear1 still ,protagoras will not venture to maintain that every man is equally the measure of expediency1 or that the thing which seems is expedient to every one4 ,but this begins a new question4 ',well1 ,socrates1 we have plenty of leisure4 ,yes1 we have1 and1 after the manner of philosophers1 we are digressing2 ,i have often observed how ridiculous this habit of theirs makes them when they appear in court4 ',what do you mean8' ,i mean to say that a philosopher is a gentleman1 but a lawyer is a servant4 ,the one can have his talk out1 and wander at will from one subject to another1 as the fancy takes him2 like ourselves1 he may be long or short1 as he pleases4 ,but the lawyer is always in a hurry2 there is the clepsydra limiting his time1 and the brief limiting his topics1 and his adversary is standing over him and exacting his rights4 ,he is a servant disputing about a fellow-servant before his master1 who holds the cause in his hands2 the path never diverges1 and often the race is for his life4 ,such experiences render him keen and shrewd2 he learns the arts of flattery1 and is perfect in the practice of crooked ways2 dangers have come upon him too soon1 when the tenderness of youth was unable to meet them with truth and honesty1 and he has resorted to counter-acts of dishonesty and falsehood1 and become warped and distorted2 without any health or freedom or sincerity in him he has grown up to manhood1 and is or esteems himself to be a master of cunning4 ,such are the lawyers2 will you have the companion picture of philosophers8 or will this be too much of a digression8 ',nay1 ,socrates1 the argument is our servant1 and not our master4 ,who is the judge or where is the spectator1 having a right to control us8' ,i will describe the leaders1 then3 for the inferior sort are not worth the trouble4 ,the lords of philosophy have not learned the way to the dicastery or ecclesia2 they neither see nor hear the laws and votes of the state1 written or recited2 societies1 whether political or festive1 clubs1 and singing maidens do not enter even into their dreams4 ,and the scandals of persons or their ancestors1 male and female1 they know no more than they can tell the number of pints in the ocean4 ,neither are they conscious of their own ignorance2 for they do not practise singularity in order to gain reputation1 but the truth is1 that the outer form of them only is residing in the city2 the inner man1 as ,pindar says1 is going on a voyage of discovery1 measuring as with line and rule the things which are under and in the earth1 interrogating the whole of nature1 only not condescending to notice what is near them4 ',what do you mean1 ,socrates8' ,i will illustrate my meaning by the jest of the witty maid-servant1 who saw ,thales tumbling into a well1 and said of him1 that he was so eager to know what was going on in heaven1 that he could not see what was before his feet4 ,this is applicable to all philosophers4 ,the philosopher is unacquainted with the world2 he hardly knows whether his neighbour is a man or an animal4 ,for he is always searching into the essence of man1 and enquiring what such a nature ought to do or suffer different from any other4 ,hence1 on every occasion in private life and public1 as ,i was saying1 when he appears in a law-court or anywhere1 he is the joke1 not only of maid-servants1 but of the general herd1 falling into wells and every sort of disaster2 he looks such an awkward1 inexperienced creature1 unable to say anything personal1 when he is abused1 in answer to his adversaries 7for he knows no evil of any one72 and when he hears the praises of others1 he cannot help laughing from the bottom of his soul at their pretensions2 and this also gives him a ridiculous appearance4 ,a king or tyrant appears to him to be a kind of swine-herd or cow-herd1 milking away at an animal who is much more troublesome and dangerous than cows or sheep2 like the cow-herd1 he has no time to be educated1 and the pen in which he keeps his flock in the mountains is surrounded by a wall4 ,when he hears of large landed properties of ten thousand acres or more1 he thinks of the whole earth2 or if he is told of the antiquity of a family1 he remembers that every one has had myriads of progenitors1 rich and poor1 ,greeks and barbarians1 kings and slaves4 ,and he who boasts of his descent from ,amphitryon in the twenty-fifth generation1 may1 if he pleases1 add as many more1 and double that again1 and our philosopher only laughs at his inability to do a larger sum4 ,such is the man at whom the vulgar scoff2 he seems to them as if he could not mind his feet4 ',that is very true1 ,socrates4' ,but when he tries to draw the quick-witted lawyer out of his pleas and rejoinders to the contemplation of absolute justice or injustice in their own nature1 or from the popular praises of wealthy kings to the view of happiness and misery in themselves1 or to the reasons why a man should seek after the one and avoid the other1 then the situation is reversed2 the little wretch turns giddy1 and is ready to fall over the precipice2 his utterance becomes thick1 and he makes himself ridiculous1 not to servant-maids1 but to every man of liberal education4 ,such are the two pictures3 the one of the philosopher and gentleman1 who may be excused for not having learned how to make a bed1 or cook up flatteries2 the other1 a serviceable knave1 who hardly knows how to wear his cloak1--still less can he awaken harmonious thoughts or hymn virtue's praises4 ',if the world1 ,socrates1 were as ready to receive your words as ,i am1 there would be greater peace and less evil among mankind4' ,evil1 ,theodorus1 must ever remain in this world to be the antagonist of good1 out of the way of the gods in heaven4 ,wherefore also we should fly away from ourselves to them2 and to fly to them is to become like them2 and to become like them is to become holy1 just and true4 ,but many live in the old wives' fable of appearances2 they think that you should follow virtue in order that you may seem to be good4 ,and yet the truth is1 that ,god is righteous2 and of men1 he is most like him who is most righteous4 ,to know this is wisdom2 and in comparison of this the wisdom of the arts or the seeming wisdom of politicians is mean and common4 ,the unrighteous man is apt to pride himself on his cunning2 when others call him rogue1 he says to himself3 ',they only mean that ,i am one who deserves to live1 and not a mere burden of the earth4' ,but he should reflect that his ignorance makes his condition worse than if he knew4 ,for the penalty of injustice is not death or stripes1 but the fatal necessity of becoming more and more unjust4 ,two patterns of life are set before him2 the one blessed and divine1 the other godless and wretched2 and he is growing more and more like the one and unlike the other4 ,he does not see that if he continues in his cunning1 the place of innocence will not receive him after death4 ,and yet if such a man has the courage to hear the argument out1 he often becomes dissatisfied with himself1 and has no more strength in him than a child4--,but we have digressed enough4 ',for my part1 ,socrates1 ,i like the digressions better than the argument1 because ,i understand them better4' ,to return4 ,when we left off1 the ,protagoreans and ,heracliteans were maintaining that the ordinances of the ,state were just1 while they lasted4 ,but no one would maintain that the laws of the ,state were always good or expedient1 although this may be the intention of them4 ,for the expedient has to do with the future1 about which we are liable to mistake4 ,now1 would ,protagoras maintain that man is the measure not only of the present and past1 but of the future2 and that there is no difference in the judgments of men about the future8 ,would an untrained man1 for example1 be as likely to know when he is going to have a fever1 as the physician who attended him8 ,and if they differ in opinion1 which of them is likely to be right2 or are they both right8 ,is not a vine-grower a better judge of a vintage which is not yet gathered1 or a cook of a dinner which is in preparation1 or ,protagoras of the probable effect of a speech than an ordinary person8 ,the last example speaks 'ad hominen4' ,for ,protagoras would never have amassed a fortune if every man could judge of the future for himself4 ,he is1 therefore1 compelled to admit that he is a measure2 but ,i1 who know nothing1 am not equally convinced that ,i am4 ,this is one way of refuting him2 and he is refuted also by the authority which he attributes to the opinions of others1 who deny his opinions4 ,i am not equally sure that we can disprove the truth of immediate states of feeling4 ,but this leads us to the doctrine of the universal flux1 about which a battle-royal is always going on in the cities of ,ionia4 ',yes2 the ,ephesians are downright mad about the flux2 they cannot stop to argue with you1 but are in perpetual motion1 obedient to their text-books4 ,their restlessness is beyond expression1 and if you ask any of them a question1 they will not answer1 but dart at you some unintelligible saying1 and another and another1 making no way either with themselves or with others2 for nothing is fixed in them or their ideas1--they are at war with fixed principles4' ,i suppose1 ,theodorus1 that you have never seen them in time of peace1 when they discourse at leisure to their disciples8 ',disciples6 they have none2 they are a set of uneducated fanatics1 and each of them says of the other that they have no knowledge4 ,we must trust to ourselves1 and not to them for the solution of the problem4' ,well1 the doctrine is old1 being derived from the poets1 who speak in a figure of ,oceanus and ,tethys2 the truth was once concealed1 but is now revealed by the superior wisdom of a later generation1 and made intelligible to the cobbler1 who1 on hearing that all is in motion1 and not some things only1 as he ignorantly fancied1 may be expected to fall down and worship his teachers4 ,and the opposite doctrine must not be forgotten3-- ',alone being remains unmoved which is the name for all1' as ,parmenides affirms4 ,thus we are in the midst of the fray2 both parties are dragging us to their side2 and we are not certain which of them are in the right2 and if neither1 then we shall be in a ridiculous position1 having to set up our own opinion against ancient and famous men4 ,let us first approach the river-gods1 or patrons of the flux4 ,when they speak of motion1 must they not include two kinds of motion1 change of place and change of nature8--,and all things must be supposed to have both kinds of motion2 for if not1 the same things would be at rest and in motion1 which is contrary to their theory4 ,and did we not say1 that all sensations arise thus3 they move about between the agent and patient together with a perception1 and the patient ceases to be a perceiving power and becomes a percipient1 and the agent a quale instead of a quality2 but neither has any absolute existence8 ,but now we make the further discovery1 that neither white or whiteness1 nor any sense or sensation1 can be predicated of anything1 for they are in a perpetual flux4 ,and therefore we must modify the doctrine of ,theaetetus and ,protagoras1 by asserting further that knowledge is and is not sensation2 and of everything we must say equally1 that this is and is not1 or becomes or becomes not4 ,and still the word 'this' is not quite correct1 for language fails in the attempt to express their meaning4 ,at the close of the discussion1 ,theodorus claims to be released from the argument1 according to his agreement4 ,but ,theaetetus insists that they shall proceed to consider the doctrine of rest4 ,this is declined by ,socrates1 who has too much reverence for the great ,parmenides lightly to attack him4 7,we shall find that he returns to the doctrine of rest in the ,sophist2 but at present he does not wish to be diverted from his main purpose1 which is1 to deliver ,theaetetus of his conception of knowledge47 ,he proceeds to interrogate him further4 ,when he says that 'knowledge is in perception1' with what does he perceive8 ,the first answer is1 that he perceives sights with the eye1 and sounds with the ear4 ,this leads ,socrates to make the reflection that nice distinctions of words are sometimes pedantic1 but sometimes necessary2 and he proposes in this case to substitute the word 'through' for 'with4' ,for the senses are not like the ,trojan warriors in the horse1 but have a common centre of perception1 in which they all meet4 ,this common principle is able to compare them with one another1 and must therefore be distinct from them 7compare ,republic74 ,and as there are facts of sense which are perceived through the organs of the body1 there are also mathematical and other abstractions1 such as sameness and difference1 likeness and unlikeness1 which the soul perceives by herself4 ,being is the most universal of these abstractions4 ,the good and the beautiful are abstractions of another kind1 which exist in relation and which above all others the mind perceives in herself1 comparing within her past1 present1 and future4 ,for example2 we know a thing to be hard or soft by the touch1 of which the perception is given at birth to men and animals4 ,but the essence of hardness or softness1 or the fact that this hardness is1 and is the opposite of softness1 is slowly learned by reflection and experience4 ,mere perception does not reach being1 and therefore fails of truth2 and therefore has no share in knowledge4 ,but if so1 knowledge is not perception4 ,what then is knowledge8 ,the mind1 when occupied by herself with being1 is said to have opinion--shall we say that ',knowledge is true opinion'8 ,but still an old difficulty recurs2 we ask ourselves1 ',how is false opinion possible8' ,this difficulty may be stated as follows3-- ,either we know or do not know a thing 7for the intermediate processes of learning and forgetting need not at present be considered72 and in thinking or having an opinion1 we must either know or not know that which we think1 and we cannot know and be ignorant at the same time2 we cannot confuse one thing which we do not know1 with another thing which we do not know2 nor can we think that which we do not know to be that which we know1 or that which we know to be that which we do not know4 ,and what other case is conceivable1 upon the supposition that we either know or do not know all things8 ,let us try another answer in the sphere of being3 ',when a man thinks1 and thinks that which is not4' ,but would this hold in any parallel case8 ,can a man see and see nothing8 or hear and hear nothing8 or touch and touch nothing8 ,must he not see1 hear1 or touch some one existing thing8 ,for if he thinks about nothing he does not think1 and not thinking he cannot think falsely4 ,and so the path of being is closed against us1 as well as the path of knowledge4 ,but may there not be 'heterodoxy1' or transference of opinion2--,i mean1 may not one thing be supposed to be another8 ,theaetetus is confident that this must be 'the true falsehood1' when a man puts good for evil or evil for good4 ,socrates will not discourage him by attacking the paradoxical expression 'true falsehood1' but passes on4 ,the new notion involves a process of thinking about two things1 either together or alternately4 ,and thinking is the conversing of the mind with herself1 which is carried on in question and answer1 until she no longer doubts1 but determines and forms an opinion4 ,and false opinion consists in saying to yourself1 that one thing is another4 ,but did you ever say to yourself1 that good is evil1 or evil good8 ,even in sleep1 did you ever imagine that odd was even8 ,or did any man in his senses ever fancy that an ox was a horse1 or that two are one8 ,so that we can never think one thing to be another2 for you must not meet me with the verbal quibble that one--eteron--is other--eteron 7both 'one' and 'other' in ,greek are called 'other'--eteron74 ,he who has both the two things in his mind1 cannot misplace them2 and he who has only one of them in his mind1 cannot misplace them--on either supposition transplacement is inconceivable4 ,but perhaps there may still be a sense in which we can think that which we do not know to be that which we know3 e4g4 ,theaetetus may know ,socrates1 but at a distance he may mistake another person for him4 ,this process may be conceived by the help of an image4 ,let us suppose that every man has in his mind a block of wax of various qualities1 the gift of ,memory1 the mother of the ,muses2 and on this he receives the seal or stamp of those sensations and perceptions which he wishes to remember4 ,that which he succeeds in stamping is remembered and known by him as long as the impression lasts2 but that1 of which the impression is rubbed out or imperfectly made1 is forgotten1 and not known4 ,no one can think one thing to be another1 when he has the memorial or seal of both of these in his soul1 and a sensible impression of neither2 or when he knows one and does not know the other1 and has no memorial or seal of the other2 or when he knows neither2 or when he perceives both1 or one and not the other1 or neither2 or when he perceives and knows both1 and identifies what he perceives with what he knows 7this is still more impossible72 or when he does not know one1 and does not know and does not perceive the other2 or does not perceive one1 and does not know and does not perceive the other2 or has no perception or knowledge of either--all these cases must be excluded4 ,but he may err when he confuses what he knows or perceives1 or what he perceives and does not know1 with what he knows1 or what he knows and perceives with what he knows and perceives4 ,theaetetus is unable to follow these distinctions2 which ,socrates proceeds to illustrate by examples1 first of all remarking1 that knowledge may exist without perception1 and perception without knowledge4 ,i may know ,theodorus and ,theaetetus and not see them2 ,i may see them1 and not know them4 ',that ,i understand4' ,but ,i could not mistake one for the other if ,i knew you both1 and had no perception of either2 or if ,i knew one only1 and perceived neither2 or if ,i knew and perceived neither1 or in any other of the excluded cases4 ,the only possibility of error is3 #ast1 when knowing you and ,theodorus1 and having the impression of both of you on the waxen block1 ,i1 seeing you both imperfectly and at a distance1 put the foot in the wrong shoe--that is to say1 put the seal or stamp on the wrong object3 or #bndly1 when knowing both of you ,i only see one2 or when1 seeing and knowing you both1 ,i fail to identify the impression and the object4 ,but there could be no error when perception and knowledge correspond4 ,the waxen block in the heart of a man's soul1 as ,i may say in the words of ,homer1 who played upon the words ker and keros1 may be smooth and deep1 and large enough1 and then the signs are clearly marked and lasting1 and do not get confused4 ,but in the 'hairy heart1' as the all-wise poet sings1 when the wax is muddy or hard or moist1 there is a corresponding confusion and want of retentiveness2 in the muddy and impure there is indistinctness1 and still more in the hard1 for there the impressions have no depth of wax1 and in the moist they are too soon effaced4 ,yet greater is the indistinctness when they are all jolted together in a little soul1 which is narrow and has no room4 ,these are the sort of natures which have false opinion2 from stupidity they see and hear and think amiss2 and this is falsehood and ignorance4 ,error1 then1 is a confusion of thought and sense4 ,theaetetus is delighted with this explanation4 ,but ,socrates has no sooner found the new solution than he sinks into a fit of despondency4 ,for an objection occurs to him3--,may there not be errors where there is no confusion of mind and sense8 e4g4 in numbers4 ,no one can confuse the man whom he has in his thoughts with the horse which he has in his thoughts1 but he may err in the addition of five and seven4 ,and observe that these are purely mental conceptions4 ,thus we are involved once more in the dilemma of saying1 either that there is no such thing as false opinion1 or that a man knows what he does not know4 ,we are at our wit's end1 and may therefore be excused for making a bold diversion4 ,all this time we have been repeating the words 'know1' 'understand1' yet we do not know what knowledge is4 ',why1 ,socrates1 how can you argue at all without using them8' ,nay1 but the true hero of dialectic would have forbidden me to use them until ,i had explained them4 ,and ,i must explain them now4 ,the verb 'to know' has two senses1 to have and to possess knowledge1 and ,i distinguish 'having' from 'possessing4' ,a man may possess a garment which he does not wear2 or he may have wild birds in an aviary2 these in one sense he possesses1 and in another he has none of them4 ,let this aviary be an image of the mind1 as the waxen block was2 when we are young1 the aviary is empty2 after a time the birds are put in2 for under this figure we may describe different forms of knowledge2--there are some of them in groups1 and some single1 which are flying about everywhere2 and let us suppose a hunt after the science of odd and even1 or some other science4 ,the possession of the birds is clearly not the same as the having them in the hand4 ,and the original chase of them is not the same as taking them in the hand when they are already caged4 ,this distinction between use and possession saves us from the absurdity of supposing that we do not know what we know1 because we may know in one sense1 i4e4 possess1 what we do not know in another1 i4e4 use4 ,but have we not escaped one difficulty only to encounter a greater8 ,for how can the exchange of two kinds of knowledge ever become false opinion8 ,as well might we suppose that ignorance could make a man know1 or that blindness could make him see4 ,theaetetus suggests that in the aviary there may be flying about mock birds1 or forms of ignorance1 and we put forth our hands and grasp ignorance1 when we are intending to grasp knowledge4 ,but how can he who knows the forms of knowledge and the forms of ignorance imagine one to be the other8 ,is there some other form of knowledge which distinguishes them8 and another1 and another8 ,thus we go round and round in a circle and make no progress4 ,all this confusion arises out of our attempt to explain false opinion without having explained knowledge4 ,what then is knowledge8 ,theaetetus repeats that knowledge is true opinion4 ,but this seems to be refuted by the instance of orators and judges4 ,for surely the orator cannot convey a true knowledge of crimes at which the judges were not present2 he can only persuade them1 and the judge may form a true opinion and truly judge4 ,but if true opinion were knowledge they could not have judged without knowledge4 ,once more4 ,theaetetus offers a definition which he has heard3 ,knowledge is true opinion accompanied by definition or explanation4 ,socrates has had a similar dream1 and has further heard that the first elements are names only1 and that definition or explanation begins when they are combined2 the letters are unknown1 the syllables or combinations are known4 ,but this new hypothesis when tested by the letters of the alphabet is found to break down4 ,the first syllable of ,socrates' name is ,,so4 ,but what is ,,so8 ,two letters1 ,s and ,o1 a sibilant and a vowel1 of which no further explanation can be given4 ,and how can any one be ignorant of either of them1 and yet know both of them8 ,there is1 however1 another alternative3--,we may suppose that the syllable has a separate form or idea distinct from the letters or parts4 ,the all of the parts may not be the whole4 ,theaetetus is very much inclined to adopt this suggestion1 but when interrogated by ,socrates he is unable to draw any distinction between the whole and all the parts4 ,and if the syllables have no parts1 then they are those original elements of which there is no explanation4 ,but how can the syllable be known if the letter remains unknown8 ,in learning to read as children1 we are first taught the letters and then the syllables4 ,and in music1 the notes1 which are the letters1 have a much more distinct meaning to us than the combination of them4 ,once more1 then1 we must ask the meaning of the statement1 that ',knowledge is right opinion1 accompanied by explanation or definition4' ,explanation may mean1 7#a7 the reflection or expression of a man's thoughts--but every man who is not deaf and dumb is able to express his thoughts--or 7#b7 the enumeration of the elements of which anything is composed4 ,a man may have a true opinion about a waggon1 but then1 and then only1 has he knowledge of a waggon when he is able to enumerate the hundred planks of ,hesiod4 ,or he may know the syllables of the name ,theaetetus1 but not the letters2 yet not until he knows both can he be said to have knowledge as well as opinion4 ,but on the other hand he may know the syllable ',the' in the name ,theaetetus1 yet he may be mistaken about the same syllable in the name ,theodorus1 and in learning to read we often make such mistakes4 ,and even if he could write out all the letters and syllables of your name in order1 still he would only have right opinion4 ,yet there may be a third meaning of the definition1 besides the image or expression of the mind1 and the enumeration of the elements1 viz4 7#c7 perception of difference4 ,for example1 ,i may see a man who has eyes1 nose1 and mouth2--that will not distinguish him from any other man4 ,or he may have a snub-nose and prominent eyes2--that will not distinguish him from myself and you and others who are like me4 ,but when ,i see a certain kind of snub-nosedness1 then ,i recognize ,theaetetus4 ,and having this sign of difference1 ,i have knowledge4 ,but have ,i knowledge or opinion of this difference2 if ,i have only opinion ,i have not knowledge2 if ,i have knowledge we assume a disputed term2 for knowledge will have to be defined as right opinion with knowledge of difference4 ,and so1 ,theaetetus1 knowledge is neither perception nor true opinion1 nor yet definition accompanying true opinion4 ,and ,i have shown that the children of your brain are not worth rearing4 ,are you still in labour1 or have you brought all you have to say about knowledge to the birth8 ,if you have any more thoughts1 you will be the better for having got rid of these2 or if you have none1 you will be the better for not fancying that you know what you do not know4 ,observe the limits of my art1 which1 like my mother's1 is an art of midwifery2 ,i do not pretend to compare with the good and wise of this and other ages4 ,and now ,i go to meet ,meletus at the porch of the ,king ,archon2 but to-morrow ,i shall hope to see you again1 ,theodorus1 at this place4 444 ,i4 ,the saying of ,theaetetus1 that ',knowledge is sensible perception1' may be assumed to be a current philosophical opinion of the age4 ',the ancients1' as ,aristotle 7,de ,anim47 says1 citing a verse of ,empedocles1 'affirmed knowledge to be the same as perception4' ,we may now examine these words1 first1 with reference to their place in the history of philosophy1 and secondly1 in relation to modern speculations4 7a7 ,in the age of ,socrates the mind was passing from the object to the subject4 ,the same impulse which a century before had led men to form conceptions of the world1 now led them to frame general notions of the human faculties and feelings1 such as memory1 opinion1 and the like4 ,the simplest of these is sensation1 or sensible perception1 by which ,plato seems to mean the generalized notion of feelings and impressions of sense1 without determining whether they are conscious or not4 ,the theory that ',knowledge is sensible perception' is the antithesis of that which derives knowledge from the mind 7,theaet471 or which assumes the existence of ideas independent of the mind 7,parm474 ,yet from their extreme abstraction these theories do not represent the opposite poles of thought in the same way that the corresponding differences would in modern philosophy4 ,the most ideal and the most sensational have a tendency to pass into one another2 ,heracleitus1 like his great successor ,hegel1 has both aspects4 ,the ,eleatic isolation of ,being and the ,megarian or ,cynic isolation of individuals are placed in the same class by ,plato 7,soph472 and the same principle which is the symbol of motion to one mind is the symbol of rest to another4 ,the ,atomists1 who are sometimes regarded as the ,materialists of ,plato1 denied the reality of sensation4 ,and in the ancient as well as the modern world there were reactions from theory to experience1 from ideas to sense4 ,this is a point of view from which the philosophy of sensation presented great attraction to the ancient thinker4 ,amid the conflict of ideas and the variety of opinions1 the impression of sense remained certain and uniform4 ,hardness1 softness1 cold1 heat1 etc4 are not absolutely the same to different persons1 but the art of measuring could at any rate reduce them all to definite natures 7,republic74 ,thus the doctrine that knowledge is perception supplies or seems to supply a firm standing ground4 ,like the other notions of the earlier ,greek philosophy1 it was held in a very simple way1 without much basis of reasoning1 and without suggesting the questions which naturally arise in our own minds on the same subject4 7b7 ,the fixedness of impressions of sense furnishes a link of connexion between ancient and modern philosophy4 ,the modern thinker often repeats the parallel axiom1 ',all knowledge is experience4' ,he means to say that the outward and not the inward is both the original source and the final criterion of truth1 because the outward can be observed and analyzed2 the inward is only known by external results1 and is dimly perceived by each man for himself4 ,in what does this differ from the saying of ,theaetetus8 ,chiefly in this--that the modern term 'experience1' while implying a point of departure in sense and a return to sense1 also includes all the processes of reasoning and imagination which have intervened4 ,the necessary connexion between them by no means affords a measure of the relative degree of importance which is to be ascribed to either element4 ,for the inductive portion of any science may be small1 as in mathematics or ethics1 compared with that which the mind has attained by reasoning and reflection on a very few facts4 ,,ii4 ,the saying that ',all knowledge is sensation' is identified by ,plato with the ,protagorean thesis that ',man is the measure of all things4' ,the interpretation which ,protagoras himself is supposed to give of these latter words is3 ',things are to me as they appear to me1 and to you as they appear to you4' ,but there remains still an ambiguity both in the text and in the explanation1 which has to be cleared up4 ,did ,protagoras merely mean to assert the relativity of knowledge to the human mind8 ,or did he mean to deny that there is an objective standard of truth8 ,these two questions have not been always clearly distinguished2 the relativity of knowledge has been sometimes confounded with uncertainty4 ,the untutored mind is apt to suppose that objects exist independently of the human faculties1 because they really exist independently of the faculties of any individual4 ,in the same way1 knowledge appears to be a body of truths stored up in books1 which when once ascertained are independent of the discoverer4 ,further consideration shows us that these truths are not really independent of the mind2 there is an adaptation of one to the other1 of the eye to the object of sense1 of the mind to the conception4 ,there would be no world1 if there neither were nor ever had been any one to perceive the world4 ,a slight effort of reflection enables us to understand this2 but no effort of reflection will enable us to pass beyond the limits of our own faculties1 or to imagine the relation or adaptation of objects to the mind to be different from that of which we have experience4 ,there are certain laws of language and logic to which we are compelled to conform1 and to which our ideas naturally adapt themselves2 and we can no more get rid of them than we can cease to be ourselves4 ,the absolute and infinite1 whether explained as self-existence1 or as the totality of human thought1 or as the ,divine nature1 if known to us at all1 cannot escape from the category of relation4 ,but because knowledge is subjective or relative to the mind1 we are not to suppose that we are therefore deprived of any of the tests or criteria of truth4 ,one man still remains wiser than another1 a more accurate observer and relater of facts1 a truer measure of the proportions of knowledge4 ,the nature of testimony is not altered1 nor the verification of causes by prescribed methods less certain4 ,again1 the truth must often come to a man through others1 according to the measure of his capacity and education4 ,but neither does this affect the testimony1 whether written or oral1 which he knows by experience to be trustworthy4 ,he cannot escape from the laws of his own mind2 and he cannot escape from the further accident of being dependent for his knowledge on others4 ,but still this is no reason why he should always be in doubt2 of many personal1 of many historical and scientific facts he may be absolutely assured4 ,and having such a mass of acknowledged truth in the mathematical and physical1 not to speak of the moral sciences1 the moderns have certainly no reason to acquiesce in the statement that truth is appearance only1 or that there is no difference between appearance and truth4 ,the relativity of knowledge is a truism to us1 but was a great psychological discovery in the fifth century before ,christ4 ,of this discovery1 the first distinct assertion is contained in the thesis of ,protagoras4 ,probably he had no intention either of denying or affirming an objective standard of truth4 ,he did not consider whether man in the higher or man in the lower sense was a 'measure of all things4' ,like other great thinkers1 he was absorbed with one idea1 and that idea was the absoluteness of perception4 ,like ,socrates1 he seemed to see that philosophy must be brought back from 'nature' to 'truth1' from the world to man4 ,but he did not stop to analyze whether he meant 'man' in the concrete or man in the abstract1 any man or some men1 'quod semper quod ubique' or individual private judgment4 ,such an analysis lay beyond his sphere of thought2 the age before ,socrates had not arrived at these distinctions4 ,like the ,cynics1 again1 he discarded knowledge in any higher sense than perception4 ,for 'truer' or 'wiser' he substituted the word 'better1' and is not unwilling to admit that both states and individuals are capable of practical improvement4 ,but this improvement does not arise from intellectual enlightenment1 nor yet from the exertion of the will1 but from a change of circumstances and impressions2 and he who can effect this change in himself or others may be deemed a philosopher4 ,in the mode of effecting it1 while agreeing with ,socrates and the ,cynics in the importance which he attaches to practical life1 he is at variance with both of them4 ,to suppose that practice can be divorced from speculation1 or that we may do good without caring about truth1 is by no means singular1 either in philosophy or life4 ,the singularity of this1 as of some other 7so-called7 sophistical doctrines1 is the frankness with which they are avowed1 instead of being veiled1 as in modern times1 under ambiguous and convenient phrases4 ,plato appears to treat ,protagoras much as he himself is treated by ,aristotle2 that is to say1 he does not attempt to understand him from his own point of view4 ,but he entangles him in the meshes of a more advanced logic4 ,to which ,protagoras is supposed to reply by ,megarian quibbles1 which destroy logic1 ',not only man1 but each man1 and each man at each moment4' ,in the arguments about sight and memory there is a palpable unfairness which is worthy of the great 'brainless brothers1' ,euthydemus and ,dionysodorus1 and may be compared with the egkekalummenos 7'obvelatus'7 of ,eubulides4 ,for he who sees with one eye only cannot be truly said both to see and not to see2 nor is memory1 which is liable to forget1 the immediate knowledge to which ,protagoras applies the term4 ,theodorus justly charges ,socrates with going beyond the truth2 and ,protagoras has equally right on his side when he protests against ,socrates arguing from the common use of words1 which 'the vulgar pervert in all manner of ways4' ,,iii4 ,the theory of ,protagoras is connected by ,aristotle as well as ,plato with the flux of ,heracleitus4 ,but ,aristotle is only following ,plato1 and ,plato1 as we have already seen1 did not mean to imply that such a connexion was admitted by ,protagoras himself4 ,his metaphysical genius saw or seemed to see a common tendency in them1 just as the modern historian of ancient philosophy might perceive a parallelism between two thinkers of which they were probably unconscious themselves4 ,we must remember throughout that ,plato is not speaking of ,heracleitus1 but of the ,heracliteans1 who succeeded him2 nor of the great original ideas of the master1 but of the ,eristic into which they had degenerated a hundred years later4 ,there is nothing in the fragments of ,heracleitus which at all justifies ,plato's account of him4 ,his philosophy may be resolved into two elements--first1 change1 secondly1 law or measure pervading the change3 these he saw everywhere1 and often expressed in strange mythological symbols4 ,but he has no analysis of sensible perception such as ,plato attributes to him2 nor is there any reason to suppose that he pushed his philosophy into that absolute negation in which ,heracliteanism was sunk in the age of ,plato4 ,he never said that 'change means every sort of change2' and he expressly distinguished between 'the general and particular understanding4' ,like a poet1 he surveyed the elements of mythology1 nature1 thought1 which lay before him1 and sometimes by the light of genius he saw or seemed to see a mysterious principle working behind them4 ,but as has been the case with other great philosophers1 and with ,plato and ,aristotle themselves1 what was really permanent and original could not be understood by the next generation1 while a perverted logic carried out his chance expressions with an illogical consistency4 ,his simple and noble thoughts1 like those of the great ,eleatic1 soon degenerated into a mere strife of words4 ,and when thus reduced to mere words1 they seem to have exercised a far wider influence in the cities of ,ionia 7where the people 'were mad about them'7 than in the life-time of ,heracleitus--a phenomenon which1 though at first sight singular1 is not without a parallel in the history of philosophy and theology4 ,it is this perverted form of the ,heraclitean philosophy which is supposed to effect the final overthrow of ,protagorean sensationalism4 ,for if all things are changing at every moment1 in all sorts of ways1 then there is nothing fixed or defined at all1 and therefore no sensible perception1 nor any true word by which that or anything else can be described4 ,of course ,protagoras would not have admitted the justice of this argument any more than ,heracleitus would have acknowledged the 'uneducated fanatics' who appealed to his writings4 ,he might have said1 ',the excellent ,socrates has first confused me with ,heracleitus1 and ,heracleitus with his ,ephesian successors1 and has then disproved the existence both of knowledge and sensation4 ,but ,i am not responsible for what ,i never said1 nor will ,i admit that my common-sense account of knowledge can be overthrown by unintelligible ,heraclitean paradoxes4' ,,iv4 ,still at the bottom of the arguments there remains a truth1 that knowledge is something more than sensible perception2--this alone would not distinguish man from a tadpole4 ,the absoluteness of sensations at each moment destroys the very consciousness of sensations 7compare ,phileb471 or the power of comparing them4 ,the senses are not mere holes in a ',trojan horse1' but the organs of a presiding nature1 in which they meet4 ,a great advance has been made in psychology when the senses are recognized as organs of sense1 and we are admitted to see or feel 'through them' and not 'by them1' a distinction of words which1 as ,socrates observes1 is by no means pedantic4 ,a still further step has been made when the most abstract notions1 such as ,being and ,not-being1 sameness and difference1 unity and plurality1 are acknowledged to be the creations of the mind herself1 working upon the feelings or impressions of sense4 ,in this manner ,plato describes the process of acquiring them1 in the words ',knowledge consists not in the feelings or affections 7pathemasi71 but in the process of reasoning about them 7sullogismo74' ,here1 is in the ,parmenides1 he means something not really different from generalization4 ,as in the ,sophist1 he is laying the foundation of a rational psychology1 which is to supersede the ,platonic reminiscence of ,ideas as well as the ,eleatic ,being and the individualism of ,megarians and ,cynics4 ,v4 ,having rejected the doctrine that ',knowledge is perception1' we now proceed to look for a definition of knowledge in the sphere of opinion4 ,but here we are met by a singular difficulty3 ,how is false opinion possible8 ,for we must either know or not know that which is presented to the mind or to sense4 ,we of course should answer at once3 ',no2 the alternative is not necessary1 for there may be degrees of knowledge2 and we may know and have forgotten1 or we may be learning1 or we may have a general but not a particular knowledge1 or we may know but not be able to explain2' and many other ways may be imagined in which we know and do not know at the same time4 ,but these answers belong to a later stage of metaphysical discussion2 whereas the difficulty in question naturally arises owing to the childhood of the human mind1 like the parallel difficulty respecting ,not-being4 ,men had only recently arrived at the notion of opinion2 they could not at once define the true and pass beyond into the false4 ,the very word doxa was full of ambiguity1 being sometimes1 as in the ,eleatic philosophy1 applied to the sensible world1 and again used in the more ordinary sense of opinion4 ,there is no connexion between sensible appearance and probability1 and yet both of them met in the word doxa1 and could hardly be disengaged from one another in the mind of the ,greek living in the fifth or fourth century ,b4,c4 ,to this was often added1 as at the end of the fifth book of the ,republic1 the idea of relation1 which is equally distinct from either of them2 also a fourth notion1 the conclusion of the dialectical process1 the making up of the mind after she has been 'talking to herself' 7,theat474 ,we are not then surprised that the sphere of opinion and of ,not-being should be a dusky1 half-lighted place 7,republic71 belonging neither to the old world of sense and imagination1 nor to the new world of reflection and reason4 ,plato attempts to clear up this darkness4 ,in his accustomed manner he passes from the lower to the higher1 without omitting the intermediate stages4 ,this appears to be the reason why he seeks for the definition of knowledge first in the sphere of opinion4 ,hereafter we shall find that something more than opinion is required4 ,false opinion is explained by ,plato at first as a confusion of mind and sense1 which arises when the impression on the mind does not correspond to the impression made on the senses4 ,it is obvious that this explanation 7supposing the distinction between impressions on the mind and impressions on the senses to be admitted7 does not account for all forms of error2 and ,plato has excluded himself from the consideration of the greater number1 by designedly omitting the intermediate processes of learning and forgetting2 nor does he include fallacies in the use of language or erroneous inferences4 ,but he is struck by one possibility of error1 which is not covered by his theory1 viz4 errors in arithmetic4 ,for in numbers and calculation there is no combination of thought and sense1 and yet errors may often happen4 ,hence he is led to discard the explanation which might nevertheless have been supposed to hold good 7for anything which he says to the contrary7 as a rationale of error1 in the case of facts derived from sense4 ,another attempt is made to explain false opinion by assigning to error a sort of positive existence4 ,but error or ignorance is essentially negative--a not-knowing2 if we knew an error1 we should be no longer in error4 ,we may veil our difficulty under figures of speech1 but these1 although telling arguments with the multitude1 can never be the real foundation of a system of psychology4 ,only they lead us to dwell upon mental phenomena which if expressed in an abstract form would not be realized by us at all4 ,the figure of the mind receiving impressions is one of those images which have rooted themselves for ever in language4 ,it may or may not be a 'gracious aid' to thought2 but it cannot be got rid of4 ,the other figure of the enclosure is also remarkable as affording the first hint of universal all-pervading ideas1--a notion further carried out in the ,sophist4 ,this is implied in the birds1 some in flocks1 some solitary1 which fly about anywhere and everywhere4 ,plato discards both figures1 as not really solving the question which to us appears so simple3 ',how do we make mistakes8' ,the failure of the enquiry seems to show that we should return to knowledge1 and begin with that2 and we may afterwards proceed1 with a better hope of success1 to the examination of opinion4 ,but is true opinion really distinct from knowledge8 ,the difference between these he seeks to establish by an argument1 which to us appears singular and unsatisfactory4 ,the existence of true opinion is proved by the rhetoric of the law courts1 which cannot give knowledge1 but may give true opinion4 ,the rhetorician cannot put the judge or juror in possession of all the facts which prove an act of violence1 but he may truly persuade them of the commission of such an act4 ,here the idea of true opinion seems to be a right conclusion from imperfect knowledge4 ,but the correctness of such an opinion will be purely accidental2 and is really the effect of one man1 who has the means of knowing1 persuading another who has not4 ,plato would have done better if he had said that true opinion was a contradiction in terms4 ,assuming the distinction between knowledge and opinion1 ,theaetetus1 in answer to ,socrates1 proceeds to define knowledge as true opinion1 with definite or rational explanation4 ,this ,socrates identifies with another and different theory1 of those who assert that knowledge first begins with a proposition4 ,the elements may be perceived by sense1 but they are names1 and cannot be defined4 ,when we assign to them some predicate1 they first begin to have a meaning 7onomaton sumploke logou ousia74 ,this seems equivalent to saying1 that the individuals of sense become the subject of knowledge when they are regarded as they are in nature in relation to other individuals4 ,yet we feel a difficulty in following this new hypothesis4 ,for must not opinion be equally expressed in a proposition8 ,the difference between true and false opinion is not the difference between the particular and the universal1 but between the true universal and the false4 ,thought may be as much at fault as sight4 ,when we place individuals under a class1 or assign to them attributes1 this is not knowledge1 but a very rudimentary process of thought2 the first generalization of all1 without which language would be impossible4 ,and has ,plato kept altogether clear of a confusion1 which the analogous word logos tends to create1 of a proposition and a definition8 ,and is not the confusion increased by the use of the analogous term 'elements1' or 'letters'8 ,for there is no real resemblance between the relation of letters to a syllable1 and of the terms to a proposition4 ,plato1 in the spirit of the ,megarian philosophy1 soon discovers a flaw in the explanation4 ,for how can we know a compound of which the simple elements are unknown to us8 ,can two unknowns make a known8 ,can a whole be something different from the parts8 ,the answer of experience is that they can2 for we may know a compound1 which we are unable to analyze into its elements2 and all the parts1 when united1 may be more than all the parts separated3 e4g4 the number four1 or any other number1 is more than the units which are contained in it2 any chemical compound is more than and different from the simple elements4 ,but ancient philosophy in this1 as in many other instances1 proceeding by the path of mental analysis1 was perplexed by doubts which warred against the plainest facts4 ,three attempts to explain the new definition of knowledge still remain to be considered4 ,they all of them turn on the explanation of logos4 ,the first account of the meaning of the word is the reflection of thought in speech--a sort of nominalism ',la science est une langue bien faite4' ,but anybody who is not dumb can say what he thinks2 therefore mere speech cannot be knowledge4 ,and yet we may observe1 that there is in this explanation an element of truth which is not recognized by ,plato2 viz4 that truth and thought are inseparable from language1 although mere expression in words is not truth4 ,the second explanation of logos is the enumeration of the elementary parts of the complex whole4 ,but this is only definition accompanied with right opinion1 and does not yet attain to the certainty of knowledge4 ,plato does not mention the greater objection1 which is1 that the enumeration of particulars is endless2 such a definition would be based on no principle1 and would not help us at all in gaining a common idea4 ,the third is the best explanation1--the possession of a characteristic mark1 which seems to answer to the logical definition by genus and difference4 ,but this1 again1 is equally necessary for right opinion2 and we have already determined1 although not on very satisfactory grounds1 that knowledge must be distinguished from opinion4 ,a better distinction is drawn between them in the ,timaeus4 ,they might be opposed as philosophy and rhetoric1 and as conversant respectively with necessary and contingent matter4 ,but no true idea of the nature of either of them1 or of their relation to one another1 could be framed until science obtained a content4 ,the ancient philosophers in the age of ,plato thought of science only as pure abstraction1 and to this opinion stood in no relation4 ,like ,theaetetus1 we have attained to no definite result4 ,but an interesting phase of ancient philosophy has passed before us4 ,and the negative result is not to be despised4 ,for on certain subjects1 and in certain states of knowledge1 the work of negation or clearing the ground must go on1 perhaps for a generation1 before the new structure can begin to rise4 ,plato saw the necessity of combating the illogical logic of the ,megarians and ,eristics4 ,for the completion of the edifice1 he makes preparation in the ,theaetetus1 and crowns the work in the ,sophist4 ,many 7#a7 fine expressions1 and 7#b7 remarks full of wisdom1 7#c7 also germs of a metaphysic of the future1 are scattered up and down in the dialogue4 ,such1 for example1 as 7#a7 the comparison of ,theaetetus' progress in learning to the 'noiseless flow of a river of oil'2 the satirical touch1 'flavouring a sauce or fawning speech'2 or the remarkable expression1 'full of impure dialectic'2 or the lively images under which the argument is described1--'the flood of arguments pouring in1' the fresh discussions 'bursting in like a band of revellers4' 7#b7 ,as illustrations of the second head1 may be cited the remark of ,socrates1 that 'distinctions of words1 although sometimes pedantic1 are also necessary'2 or the fine touch in the character of the lawyer1 that 'dangers came upon him when the tenderness of youth was unequal to them'2 or the description of the manner in which the spirit is broken in a wicked man who listens to reproof until he becomes like a child2 or the punishment of the wicked1 which is not physical suffering1 but the perpetual companionship of evil 7compare ,gorgias72 or the saying1 often repeated by ,aristotle and others1 that 'philosophy begins in wonder1 for ,iris is the child of ,thaumas'2 or the superb contempt with which the philosopher takes down the pride of wealthy landed proprietors by comparison of the whole earth4 7#c7 ,important metaphysical ideas are3 a4 the conception of thought1 as the mind talking to herself2 b4 the notion of a common sense1 developed further by ,aristotle1 and the explicit declaration1 that the mind gains her conceptions of ,being1 sameness1 number1 and the like1 from reflection on herself2 c4 the excellent distinction of ,theaetetus 7which ,socrates1 speaking with emphasis1 'leaves to grow'7 between seeing the forms or hearing the sounds of words in a foreign language1 and understanding the meaning of them2 and d4 the distinction of ,socrates himself between 'having' and 'possessing' knowledge1 in which the answer to the whole discussion appears to be contained4 444 ,there is a difference between ancient and modern psychology1 and we have a difficulty in explaining one in the terms of the other4 ,to us the inward and outward sense and the inward and outward worlds of which they are the organs are parted by a wall1 and appear as if they could never be confounded4 ,the mind is endued with faculties1 habits1 instincts1 and a personality or consciousness in which they are bound together4 ,over against these are placed forms1 colours1 external bodies coming into contact with our own body4 ,we speak of a subject which is ourselves1 of an object which is all the rest4 ,these are separable in thought1 but united in any act of sensation1 reflection1 or volition4 ,as there are various degrees in which the mind may enter into or be abstracted from the operations of sense1 so there are various points at which this separation or union may be supposed to occur4 ,and within the sphere of mind the analogy of sense reappears2 and we distinguish not only external objects1 but objects of will and of knowledge which we contrast with them4 ,these again are comprehended in a higher object1 which reunites with the subject4 ,a multitude of abstractions are created by the efforts of successive thinkers which become logical determinations2 and they have to be arranged in order1 before the scheme of thought is complete4 ,the framework of the human intellect is not the peculium of an individual1 but the joint work of many who are of all ages and countries4 ,what we are in mind is due1 not merely to our physical1 but to our mental antecedents which we trace in history1 and more especially in the history of philosophy4 ,nor can mental phenomena be truly explained either by physiology or by the observation of consciousness apart from their history4 ,they have a growth of their own1 like the growth of a flower1 a tree1 a human being4 ,they may be conceived as of themselves constituting a common mind1 and having a sort of personal identity in which they coexist4 ,so comprehensive is modern psychology1 seeming to aim at constructing anew the entire world of thought4 ,and prior to or simultaneously with this construction a negative process has to be carried on1 a clearing away of useless abstractions which we have inherited from the past4 ,many erroneous conceptions of the mind derived from former philosophies have found their way into language1 and we with difficulty disengage ourselves from them4 ,mere figures of speech have unconsciously influenced the minds of great thinkers4 ,also there are some distinctions1 as1 for example1 that of the will and of the reason1 and of the moral and intellectual faculties1 which are carried further than is justified by experience4 ,any separation of things which we cannot see or exactly define1 though it may be necessary1 is a fertile source of error4 ,the division of the mind into faculties or powers or virtues is too deeply rooted in language to be got rid of1 but it gives a false impression4 ,for if we reflect on ourselves we see that all our faculties easily pass into one another1 and are bound together in a single mind or consciousness2 but this mental unity is apt to be concealed from us by the distinctions of language4 ,a profusion of words and ideas has obscured rather than enlightened mental science4 ,it is hard to say how many fallacies have arisen from the representation of the mind as a box1 as a 'tabula rasa1' a book1 a mirror1 and the like4 ,it is remarkable how ,plato in the ,theaetetus1 after having indulged in the figure of the waxen tablet and the decoy1 afterwards discards them4 ,the mind is also represented by another class of images1 as the spring of a watch1 a motive power1 a breath1 a stream1 a succession of points or moments4 ,as ,plato remarks in the ,cratylus1 words expressive of motion as well as of rest are employed to describe the faculties and operations of the mind2 and in these there is contained another store of fallacies4 ,some shadow or reflection of the body seems always to adhere to our thoughts about ourselves1 and mental processes are hardly distinguished in language from bodily ones4 ,to see or perceive are used indifferently of both2 the words intuition1 moral sense1 common sense1 the mind's eye1 are figures of speech transferred from one to the other4 ,and many other words used in early poetry or in sacred writings to express the works of mind have a materialistic sound2 for old mythology was allied to sense1 and the distinction of matter and mind had not as yet arisen4 ,thus materialism receives an illusive aid from language2 and both in philosophy and religion the imaginary figure or association easily takes the place of real knowledge4 ,again1 there is the illusion of looking into our own minds as if our thoughts or feelings were written down in a book4 ,this is another figure of speech1 which might be appropriately termed 'the fallacy of the looking-glass4' ,we cannot look at the mind unless we have the eye which sees1 and we can only look1 not into1 but out of the mind at the thoughts1 words1 actions of ourselves and others4 ,what we dimly recognize within us is not experience1 but rather the suggestion of an experience1 which we may gather1 if we will1 from the observation of the world4 ,the memory has but a feeble recollection of what we were saying or doing a few weeks or a few months ago1 and still less of what we were thinking or feeling4 ,this is one among many reasons why there is so little self-knowledge among mankind2 they do not carry with them the thought of what they are or have been4 ,the so-called 'facts of consciousness' are equally evanescent2 they are facts which nobody ever saw1 and which can neither be defined nor described4 ,of the three laws of thought the first 7,all ,a ,a7 is an identical proposition--that is to say1 a mere word or symbol claiming to be a proposition3 the two others 7,nothing can be ,a and not ,a1 and ,everything is either ,a or not ,a7 are untrue1 because they exclude degrees and also the mixed modes and double aspects under which truth is so often presented to us4 ,to assert that man is man is unmeaning2 to say that he is free or necessary and cannot be both is a half truth only4 ,these are a few of the entanglements which impede the natural course of human thought4 ,lastly1 there is the fallacy which lies still deeper1 of regarding the individual mind apart from the universal1 or either1 as a self-existent entity apart from the ideas which are contained in them4 ,in ancient philosophies the analysis of the mind is still rudimentary and imperfect4 ,it naturally began with an effort to disengage the universal from sense--this was the first lifting up of the mist4 ,it wavered between object and subject1 passing imperceptibly from one or ,being to mind and thought4 ,appearance in the outward object was for a time indistinguishable from opinion in the subject4 ,at length mankind spoke of knowing as well as of opining or perceiving4 ,but when the word 'knowledge' was found how was it to be explained or defined8 ,it was not an error1 it was a step in the right direction1 when ,protagoras said that ',man is the measure of all things1' and that ',all knowledge is perception4' ,this was the subjective which corresponded to the objective ',all is flux4' ,but the thoughts of men deepened1 and soon they began to be aware that knowledge was neither sense1 nor yet opinion--with or without explanation2 nor the expression of thought1 nor the enumeration of parts1 nor the addition of characteristic marks4 ,motion and rest were equally ill adapted to express its nature1 although both must in some sense be attributed to it2 it might be described more truly as the mind conversing with herself2 the discourse of reason2 the hymn of dialectic1 the science of relations1 of ideas1 of the so-called arts and sciences1 of the one1 of the good1 of the all3--this is the way along which ,plato is leading us in his later dialogues4 ,in its higher signification it was the knowledge1 not of men1 but of gods1 perfect and all sufficing3--like other ideals always passing out of sight1 and nevertheless present to the mind of ,aristotle as well as ,plato1 and the reality to which they were both tending4 ,for ,aristotle as well as ,plato would in modern phraseology have been termed a mystic2 and like him would have defined the higher philosophy to be ',knowledge of being or essence1'--words to which in our own day we have a difficulty in attaching a meaning4 ,yet1 in spite of ,plato and his followers1 mankind have again and again returned to a sensational philosophy4 ,as to some of the early thinkers1 amid the fleetings of sensible objects1 ideas alone seemed to be fixed1 so to a later generation amid the fluctuation of philosophical opinions the only fixed points appeared to be outward objects4 ,any pretence of knowledge which went beyond them implied logical processes1 of the correctness of which they had no assurance and which at best were only probable4 ,the mind1 tired of wandering1 sought to rest on firm ground2 when the idols of philosophy and language were stripped off1 the perception of outward objects alone remained4 ,the ancient ,epicureans never asked whether the comparison of these with one another did not involve principles of another kind which were above and beyond them4 ,in like manner the modern inductive philosophy forgot to enquire into the meaning of experience1 and did not attempt to form a conception of outward objects apart from the mind1 or of the mind apart from them4 ,soon objects of sense were merged in sensations and feelings1 but feelings and sensations were still unanalyzed4 ,at last we return to the doctrine attributed by ,plato to ,protagoras1 that the mind is only a succession of momentary perceptions4 ,at this point the modern philosophy of experience forms an alliance with ancient scepticism4 ,the higher truths of philosophy and religion are very far removed from sense4 ,admitting that1 like all other knowledge1 they are derived from experience1 and that experience is ultimately resolvable into facts which come to us through the eye and ear1 still their origin is a mere accident which has nothing to do with their true nature4 ,they are universal and unseen2 they belong to all times--past1 present1 and future4 ,any worthy notion of mind or reason includes them4 ,the proof of them is1 #ast1 their comprehensiveness and consistency with one another2 #bndly1 their agreement with history and experience4 ,but sensation is of the present only1 is isolated1 is and is not in successive moments4 ,it takes the passing hour as it comes1 following the lead of the eye or ear instead of the command of reason4 ,it is a faculty which man has in common with the animals1 and in which he is inferior to many of them4 ,the importance of the senses in us is that they are the apertures of the mind1 doors and windows through which we take in and make our own the materials of knowledge4 ,regarded in any other point of view sensation is of all mental acts the most trivial and superficial4 ,hence the term 'sensational' is rightly used to express what is shallow in thought and feeling4 ,we propose in what follows1 first of all1 like ,plato in the ,theaetetus1 to analyse sensation1 and secondly to trace the connexion between theories of sensation and a sensational or ,epicurean philosophy4 ,paragraph ,i4 ,we1 as well as the ancients1 speak of the five senses1 and of a sense1 or common sense1 which is the abstraction of them4 ,the term 'sense' is also used metaphorically1 both in ancient and modern philosophy1 to express the operations of the mind which are immediate or intuitive4 ,of the five senses1 two--the sight and the hearing--are of a more subtle and complex nature1 while two others--the smell and the taste--seem to be only more refined varieties of touch4 ,all of them are passive1 and by this are distinguished from the active faculty of speech3 they receive impressions1 but do not produce them1 except in so far as they are objects of sense themselves4 ,physiology speaks to us of the wonderful apparatus of nerves1 muscles1 tissues1 by which the senses are enabled to fulfil their functions4 ,it traces the connexion1 though imperfectly1 of the bodily organs with the operations of the mind4 ,of these latter1 it seems rather to know the conditions than the causes4 ,it can prove to us that without the brain we cannot think1 and that without the eye we cannot see3 and yet there is far more in thinking and seeing than is given by the brain and the eye4 ,it observes the 'concomitant variations' of body and mind4 ,psychology1 on the other hand1 treats of the same subject regarded from another point of view4 ,it speaks of the relation of the senses to one another2 it shows how they meet the mind2 it analyzes the transition from sense to thought4 ,the one describes their nature as apparent to the outward eye2 by the other they are regarded only as the instruments of the mind4 ,it is in this latter point of view that we propose to consider them4 ,the simplest sensation involves an unconscious or nascent operation of the mind2 it implies objects of sense1 and objects of sense have differences of form1 number1 colour4 ,but the conception of an object without us1 or the power of discriminating numbers1 forms1 colours1 is not given by the sense1 but by the mind4 ,a mere sensation does not attain to distinctness3 it is a confused impression1 sugkechumenon ti1 as ,plato says 7,republic71 until number introduces light and order into the confusion4 ,at what point confusion becomes distinctness is a question of degree which cannot be precisely determined4 ,the distant object1 the undefined notion1 come out into relief as we approach them or attend to them4 ,or we may assist the analysis by attempting to imagine the world first dawning upon the eye of the infant or of a person newly restored to sight4 ,yet even with them the mind as well as the eye opens or enlarges4 ,for all three are inseparably bound together--the object would be nowhere and nothing1 if not perceived by the sense1 and the sense would have no power of distinguishing without the mind4 ,but prior to objects of sense there is a third nature in which they are contained--that is to say1 space1 which may be explained in various ways4 ,it is the element which surrounds them2 it is the vacuum or void which they leave or occupy when passing from one portion of space to another4 ,it might be described in the language of ancient philosophy1 as 'the ,not-being' of objects4 ,it is a negative idea which in the course of ages has become positive4 ,it is originally derived from the contemplation of the world without us--the boundless earth or sea1 the vacant heaven1 and is therefore acquired chiefly through the sense of sight3 to the blind the conception of space is feeble and inadequate1 derived for the most part from touch or from the descriptions of others4 ,at first it appears to be continuous2 afterwards we perceive it to be capable of division by lines or points1 real or imaginary4 ,by the help of mathematics we form another idea of space1 which is altogether independent of experience4 ,geometry teaches us that the innumerable lines and figures by which space is or may be intersected are absolutely true in all their combinations and consequences4 ,new and unchangeable properties of space are thus developed1 which are proved to us in a thousand ways by mathematical reasoning as well as by common experience4 ,through quantity and measure we are conducted to our simplest and purest notion of matter1 which is to the cube or solid what space is to the square or surface4 ,and all our applications of mathematics are applications of our ideas of space to matter4 ,no wonder then that they seem to have a necessary existence to us4 ,being the simplest of our ideas1 space is also the one of which we have the most difficulty in ridding ourselves4 ,neither can we set a limit to it1 for wherever we fix a limit1 space is springing up beyond4 ,neither can we conceive a smallest or indivisible portion of it2 for within the smallest there is a smaller still2 and even these inconceivable qualities of space1 whether the infinite or the infinitesimal1 may be made the subject of reasoning and have a certain truth to us4 ,whether space exists in the mind or out of it1 is a question which has no meaning4 ,we should rather say that without it the mind is incapable of conceiving the body1 and therefore of conceiving itself4 ,the mind may be indeed imagined to contain the body1 in the same way that ,aristotle 7partly following ,plato7 supposes ,god to be the outer heaven or circle of the universe4 ,but how can the individual mind carry about the universe of space packed up within1 or how can separate minds have either a universe of their own or a common universe8 ,in such conceptions there seems to be a confusion of the individual and the universal4 ,to say that we can only have a true idea of ourselves when we deny the reality of that by which we have any idea of ourselves is an absurdity4 ,the earth which is our habitation and 'the starry heaven above' and we ourselves are equally an illusion1 if space is only a quality or condition of our minds4 ,again1 we may compare the truths of space with other truths derived from experience1 which seem to have a necessity to us in proportion to the frequency of their recurrence or the truth of the consequences which may be inferred from them4 ,we are thus led to remark that the necessity in our ideas of space on which much stress has been laid1 differs in a slight degree only from the necessity which appears to belong to other of our ideas1 e4g4 weight1 motion1 and the like4 ,and there is another way in which this necessity may be explained4 ,we have been taught it1 and the truth which we were taught or which we inherited has never been contradicted in all our experience and is therefore confirmed by it4 ,who can resist an idea which is presented to him in a general form in every moment of his life and of which he finds no instance to the contrary8 ,the greater part of what is sometimes regarded as the a priori intuition of space is really the conception of the various geometrical figures of which the properties have been revealed by mathematical analysis4 ,and the certainty of these properties is immeasurably increased to us by our finding that they hold good not only in every instance1 but in all the consequences which are supposed to flow from them4 ,neither must we forget that our idea of space1 like our other ideas1 has a history4 ,the ,homeric poems contain no word for it2 even the later ,greek philosophy has not the ,kantian notion of space1 but only the definite 'place' or 'the infinite4' ,to ,plato1 in the ,timaeus1 it is known only as the 'nurse of generation4' ,when therefore we speak of the necessity of our ideas of space we must remember that this is a necessity which has grown up with the growth of the human mind1 and has been made by ourselves4 ,we can free ourselves from the perplexities which are involved in it by ascending to a time in which they did not as yet exist4 ,and when space or time are described as 'a priori forms or intuitions added to the matter given in sensation1' we should consider that such expressions belong really to the 'pre-historic study' of philosophy1 i4e4 to the eighteenth century1 when men sought to explain the human mind without regard to history or language or the social nature of man4 ,in every act of sense there is a latent perception of space1 of which we only become conscious when objects are withdrawn from it4 ,there are various ways in which we may trace the connexion between them4 ,we may think of space as unresisting matter1 and of matter as divided into objects2 or of objects again as formed by abstraction into a collective notion of matter1 and of matter as rarefied into space4 ,and motion may be conceived as the union of there and not there in space1 and force as the materializing or solidification of motion4 ,space again is the individual and universal in one2 or1 in other words1 a perception and also a conception4 ,so easily do what are sometimes called our simple ideas pass into one another1 and differences of kind resolve themselves into differences of degree4 ,within or behind space there is another abstraction in many respects similar to it--time1 the form of the inward1 as space is the form of the outward4 ,as we cannot think of outward objects of sense or of outward sensations without space1 so neither can we think of a succession of sensations without time4 ,it is the vacancy of thoughts or sensations1 as space is the void of outward objects1 and we can no more imagine the mind without the one than the world without the other4 ,it is to arithmetic what space is to geometry2 or1 more strictly1 arithmetic may be said to be equally applicable to both4 ,it is defined in our minds1 partly by the analogy of space and partly by the recollection of events which have happened to us1 or the consciousness of feelings which we are experiencing4 ,like space1 it is without limit1 for whatever beginning or end of time we fix1 there is a beginning and end before them1 and so on without end4 ,we speak of a past1 present1 and future1 and again the analogy of space assists us in conceiving of them as coexistent4 ,when the limit of time is removed there arises in our minds the idea of eternity1 which at first1 like time itself1 is only negative1 but gradually1 when connected with the world and the divine nature1 like the other negative infinity of space1 becomes positive4 ,whether time is prior to the mind and to experience1 or coeval with them1 is 7like the parallel question about space7 unmeaning4 ,like space it has been realized gradually3 in the ,homeric poems1 or even in the ,hesiodic cosmogony1 there is no more notion of time than of space4 ,the conception of being is more general than either1 and might therefore with greater plausibility be affirmed to be a condition or quality of the mind4 ,the a priori intuitions of ,kant would have been as unintelligible to ,plato as his a priori synthetical propositions to ,aristotle4 ,the philosopher of ,konigsberg supposed himself to be analyzing a necessary mode of thought3 he was not aware that he was dealing with a mere abstraction4 ,but now that we are able to trace the gradual developement of ideas through religion1 through language1 through abstractions1 why should we interpose the fiction of time between ourselves and realities8 ,why should we single out one of these abstractions to be the a priori condition of all the others8 ,it comes last and not first in the order of our thoughts1 and is not the condition precedent of them1 but the last generalization of them4 ,nor can any principle be imagined more suicidal to philosophy than to assume that all the truth which we are capable of attaining is seen only through an unreal medium4 ,if all that exists in time is illusion1 we may well ask with ,plato1 ',what becomes of the mind8' ,leaving the a priori conditions of sensation we may proceed to consider acts of sense4 ,these admit of various degrees of duration or intensity2 they admit also of a greater or less extension from one object1 which is perceived directly1 to many which are perceived indirectly or in a less degree1 and to the various associations of the object which are latent in the mind4 ,in general the greater the intension the less the extension of them4 ,the simplest sensation implies some relation of objects to one another1 some position in space1 some relation to a previous or subsequent sensation4 ,the acts of seeing and hearing may be almost unconscious and may pass away unnoted2 they may also leave an impression behind them or power of recalling them4 ,if1 after seeing an object we shut our eyes1 the object remains dimly seen in the same or about the same place1 but with form and lineaments half filled up4 ,this is the simplest act of memory4 ,and as we cannot see one thing without at the same time seeing another1 different objects hang together in recollection1 and when we call for one the other quickly follows4 ,to think of the place in which we have last seen a thing is often the best way of recalling it to the mind4 ,hence memory is dependent on association4 ,the act of recollection may be compared to the sight of an object at a great distance which we have previously seen near and seek to bring near to us in thought4 ,memory is to sense as dreaming is to waking2 and like dreaming has a wayward and uncertain power of recalling impressions from the past4 ,thus begins the passage from the outward to the inward sense4 ,but as yet there is no conception of a universal--the mind only remembers the individual object or objects1 and is always attaching to them some colour or association of sense4 ,the power of recollection seems to depend on the intensity or largeness of the perception1 or on the strength of some emotion with which it is inseparably connected4 ,this is the natural memory which is allied to sense1 such as children appear to have and barbarians and animals4 ,it is necessarily limited in range1 and its limitation is its strength4 ,in later life1 when the mind has become crowded with names1 acts1 feelings1 images innumerable1 we acquire by education another memory of system and arrangement which is both stronger and weaker than the first--weaker in the recollection of sensible impressions as they are represented to us by eye or ear--stronger by the natural connexion of ideas with objects or with one another4 ,and many of the notions which form a part of the train of our thoughts are hardly realized by us at the time1 but1 like numbers or algebraical symbols1 are used as signs only1 thus lightening the labour of recollection4 ,and now we may suppose that numerous images present themselves to the mind1 which begins to act upon them and to arrange them in various ways4 ,besides the impression of external objects present with us or just absent from us1 we have a dimmer conception of other objects which have disappeared from our immediate recollection and yet continue to exist in us4 ,the mind is full of fancies which are passing to and fro before it4 ,some feeling or association calls them up1 and they are uttered by the lips4 ,this is the first rudimentary imagination1 which may be truly described in the language of ,hobbes1 as 'decaying sense1' an expression which may be applied with equal truth to memory as well4 ,for memory and imagination1 though we sometimes oppose them1 are nearly allied2 the difference between them seems chiefly to lie in the activity of the one compared with the passivity of the other4 ,the sense decaying in memory receives a flash of light or life from imagination4 ,dreaming is a link of connexion between them2 for in dreaming we feebly recollect and also feebly imagine at one and the same time4 ,when reason is asleep the lower part of the mind wanders at will amid the images which have been received from without1 the intelligent element retires1 and the sensual or sensuous takes its place4 ,and so in the first efforts of imagination reason is latent or set aside2 and images1 in part disorderly1 but also having a unity 7however imperfect7 of their own1 pour like a flood over the mind4 ,and if we could penetrate into the heads of animals we should probably find that their intelligence1 or the state of what in them is analogous to our intelligence1 is of this nature4 ,thus far we have been speaking of men1 rather in the points in which they resemble animals than in the points in which they differ from them4 ,the animal too has memory in various degrees1 and the elements of imagination1 if1 as appears to be the case1 he dreams4 ,how far their powers or instincts are educated by the circumstances of their lives or by intercourse with one another or with mankind1 we cannot precisely tell4 ,they1 like ourselves1 have the physical inheritance of form1 scent1 hearing1 sight1 and other qualities or instincts4 ,but they have not the mental inheritance of thoughts and ideas handed down by tradition1 'the slow additions that build up the mind' of the human race4 ,and language1 which is the great educator of mankind1 is wanting in them2 whereas in us language is ever present--even in the infant the latent power of naming is almost immediately observable4 ,and therefore the description which has been already given of the nascent power of the faculties is in reality an anticipation4 ,for simultaneous with their growth in man a growth of language must be supposed4 ,the child of two years old sees the fire once and again1 and the feeble observation of the same recurring object is associated with the feeble utterance of the name by which he is taught to call it4 ,soon he learns to utter the name when the object is no longer there1 but the desire or imagination of it is present to him4 ,at first in every use of the word there is a colour of sense1 an indistinct picture of the object which accompanies it4 ,but in later years he sees in the name only the universal or class word1 and the more abstract the notion becomes1 the more vacant is the image which is presented to him4 ,henceforward all the operations of his mind1 including the perceptions of sense1 are a synthesis of sensations1 words1 conceptions4 ,in seeing or hearing or looking or listening the sensible impression prevails over the conception and the word4 ,in reflection the process is reversed--the outward object fades away into nothingness1 the name or the conception or both together are everything4 ,language1 like number1 is intermediate between the two1 partaking of the definiteness of the outer and of the universality of the inner world4 ,for logic teaches us that every word is really a universal1 and only condescends by the help of position or circumlocution to become the expression of individuals or particulars4 ,and sometimes by using words as symbols we are able to give a 'local habitation and a name' to the infinite and inconceivable4 ,thus we see that no line can be drawn between the powers of sense and of reflection--they pass imperceptibly into one another4 ,we may indeed distinguish between the seeing and the closed eye--between the sensation and the recollection of it4 ,but this distinction carries us a very little way1 for recollection is present in sight as well as sight in recollection4 ,there is no impression of sense which does not simultaneously recall differences of form1 number1 colour1 and the like4 ,neither is such a distinction applicable at all to our internal bodily sensations1 which give no sign of themselves when unaccompanied with pain1 and even when we are most conscious of them1 have often no assignable place in the human frame4 ,who can divide the nerves or great nervous centres from the mind which uses them8 ,who can separate the pains and pleasures of the mind from the pains and pleasures of the body8 ,the words 'inward and outward1' 'active and passive1' 'mind and body1' are best conceived by us as differences of degree passing into differences of kind1 and at one time and under one aspect acting in harmony and then again opposed4 ,they introduce a system and order into the knowledge of our being2 and yet1 like many other general terms1 are often in advance of our actual analysis or observation4 ,according to some writers the inward sense is only the fading away or imperfect realization of the outward4 ,but this leaves out of sight one half of the phenomenon4 ,for the mind is not only withdrawn from the world of sense but introduced to a higher world of thought and reflection1 in which1 like the outward sense1 she is trained and educated4 ,by use the outward sense becomes keener and more intense1 especially when confined within narrow limits4 ,the savage with little or no thought has a quicker discernment of the track than the civilised man2 in like manner the dog1 having the help of scent as well as of sight1 is superior to the savage4 ,by use again the inward thought becomes more defined and distinct2 what was at first an effort is made easy by the natural instrumentality of language1 and the mind learns to grasp universals with no more exertion than is required for the sight of an outward object4 ,there is a natural connexion and arrangement of them1 like the association of objects in a landscape4 ,just as a note or two of music suffices to recall a whole piece to the musician's or composer's mind1 so a great principle or leading thought suggests and arranges a world of particulars4 ,the power of reflection is not feebler than the faculty of sense1 but of a higher and more comprehensive nature4 ,it not only receives the universals of sense1 but gives them a new content by comparing and combining them with one another4 ,it withdraws from the seen that it may dwell in the unseen4 ,the sense only presents us with a flat and impenetrable surface3 the mind takes the world to pieces and puts it together on a new pattern4 ,the universals which are detached from sense are reconstructed in science4 ,they and not the mere impressions of sense are the truth of the world in which we live2 and 7as an argument to those who will only believe 'what they can hold in their hands'7 we may further observe that they are the source of our power over it4 ,to say that the outward sense is stronger than the inward is like saying that the arm of the workman is stronger than the constructing or directing mind4 ,returning to the senses we may briefly consider two questions--first their relation to the mind1 secondly1 their relation to outward objects3-- #a4 ,the senses are not merely 'holes set in a wooden horse' 7,theaet471 but instruments of the mind with which they are organically connected4 ,there is no use of them without some use of words--some natural or latent logic--some previous experience or observation4 ,sensation1 like all other mental processes1 is complex and relative1 though apparently simple4 ,the senses mutually confirm and support one another2 it is hard to say how much our impressions of hearing may be affected by those of sight1 or how far our impressions of sight may be corrected by the touch1 especially in infancy4 ,the confirmation of them by one another cannot of course be given by any one of them4 ,many intuitions which are inseparable from the act of sense are really the result of complicated reasonings4 ,the most cursory glance at objects enables the experienced eye to judge approximately of their relations and distance1 although nothing is impressed upon the retina except colour1 including gradations of light and shade4 ,from these delicate and almost imperceptible differences we seem chiefly to derive our ideas of distance and position4 ,by comparison of what is near with what is distant we learn that the tree1 house1 river1 etc4 which are a long way off are objects of a like nature with those which are seen by us in our immediate neighbourhood1 although the actual impression made on the eye is very different in one case and in the other4 ,this is a language of 'large and small letters' 7,republic71 slightly differing in form and exquisitely graduated by distance1 which we are learning all our life long1 and which we attain in various degrees according to our powers of sight or observation4 ,there is nor the consideration4 ,the greater or less strain upon the nerves of the eye or ear is communicated to the mind and silently informs the judgment4 ,we have also the use not of one eye only1 but of two1 which give us a wider range1 and help us to discern1 by the greater or less acuteness of the angle which the rays of sight form1 the distance of an object and its relation to other objects4 ,but we are already passing beyond the limits of our actual knowledge on a subject which has given rise to many conjectures4 ,more important than the addition of another conjecture is the observation1 whether in the case of sight or of any other sense1 of the great complexity of the causes and the great simplicity of the effect4 ,the sympathy of the mind and the ear is no less striking than the sympathy of the mind and the eye4 ,do we not seem to perceive instinctively and as an act of sense the differences of articulate speech and of musical notes8 ,yet how small a part of speech or of music is produced by the impression of the ear compared with that which is furnished by the mind6 ,again3 the more refined faculty of sense1 as in animals so also in man1 seems often to be transmitted by inheritance4 ,neither must we forget that in the use of the senses1 as in his whole nature1 man is a social being1 who is always being educated by language1 habit1 and the teaching of other men as well as by his own observation4 ,he knows distance because he is taught it by a more experienced judgment than his own2 he distinguishes sounds because he is told to remark them by a person of a more discerning ear4 ,and as we inherit from our parents or other ancestors peculiar powers of sense or feeling1 so we improve and strengthen them1 not only by regular teaching1 but also by sympathy and communion with other persons4 #b4 ,the second question1 namely1 that concerning the relation of the mind to external objects1 is really a trifling one1 though it has been made the subject of a famous philosophy4 ,we may if we like1 with ,berkeley1 resolve objects of sense into sensations2 but the change is one of name only1 and nothing is gained and something is lost by such a resolution or confusion of them4 ,for we have not really made a single step towards idealism1 and any arbitrary inversion of our ordinary modes of speech is disturbing to the mind4 ,the youthful metaphysician is delighted at his marvellous discovery that nothing is1 and that what we see or feel is our sensation only3 for a day or two the world has a new interest to him2 he alone knows the secret which has been communicated to him by the philosopher1 that mind is all--when in fact he is going out of his mind in the first intoxication of a great thought4 ,but he soon finds that all things remain as they were--the laws of motion1 the properties of matter1 the qualities of substances4 ,after having inflicted his theories on any one who is willing to receive them 'first on his father and mother1 secondly on some other patient listener1 thirdly on his dog1' he finds that he only differs from the rest of mankind in the use of a word4 ,he had once hoped that by getting rid of the solidity of matter he might open a passage to worlds beyond4 ,he liked to think of the world as the representation of the divine nature1 and delighted to imagine angels and spirits wandering through space1 present in the room in which he is sitting without coming through the door1 nowhere and everywhere at the same instant4 ,at length he finds that he has been the victim of his own fancies2 he has neither more nor less evidence of the supernatural than he had before4 ,he himself has become unsettled1 but the laws of the world remain fixed as at the beginning4 ,he has discovered that his appeal to the fallibility of sense was really an illusion4 ,for whatever uncertainty there may be in the appearances of nature1 arises only out of the imperfection or variation of the human senses1 or possibly from the deficiency of certain branches of knowledge2 when science is able to apply her tests1 the uncertainty is at an end4 ,we are apt sometimes to think that moral and metaphysical philosophy are lowered by the influence which is exercised over them by physical science4 ,but any interpretation of nature by physical science is far in advance of such idealism4 ,the philosophy of ,berkeley1 while giving unbounded license to the imagination1 is still grovelling on the level of sense4 ,we may1 if we please1 carry this scepticism a step further1 and deny1 not only objects of sense1 but the continuity of our sensations themselves4 ,we may say with ,protagoras and ,hume that what is appears1 and that what appears appears only to individuals1 and to the same individual only at one instant4 ,but then1 as ,plato asks1--and we must repeat the question1--,what becomes of the mind8 ,experience tells us by a thousand proofs that our sensations of colour1 taste1 and the like1 are the same as they were an instant ago--that the act which we are performing one minute is continued by us in the next--and also supplies abundant proof that the perceptions of other men are1 speaking generally1 the same or nearly the same with our own4 ,after having slowly and laboriously in the course of ages gained a conception of a whole and parts1 of the constitution of the mind1 of the relation of man to ,god and nature1 imperfect indeed1 but the best we can1 we are asked to return again to the 'beggarly elements' of ancient scepticism1 and acknowledge only atoms and sensations devoid of life or unity4 ,why should we not go a step further still and doubt the existence of the senses of all things8 ,we are but 'such stuff as dreams are made of2' for we have left ourselves no instruments of thought by which we can distinguish man from the animals1 or conceive of the existence even of a mollusc4 ,and observe1 this extreme scepticism has been allowed to spring up among us1 not1 like the ancient scepticism1 in an age when nature and language really seemed to be full of illusions1 but in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries1 when men walk in the daylight of inductive science4 ,the attractiveness of such speculations arises out of their true nature not being perceived4 ,they are veiled in graceful language2 they are not pushed to extremes2 they stop where the human mind is disposed also to stop--short of a manifest absurdity4 ,their inconsistency is not observed by their authors or by mankind in general1 who are equally inconsistent themselves4 ,they leave on the mind a pleasing sense of wonder and novelty3 in youth they seem to have a natural affinity to one class of persons as poetry has to another2 but in later life either we drift back into common sense1 or we make them the starting-points of a higher philosophy4 ,we are often told that we should enquire into all things before we accept them2--with what limitations is this true8 ,for we cannot use our senses without admitting that we have them1 or think without presupposing that there is in us a power of thought1 or affirm that all knowledge is derived from experience without implying that this first principle of knowledge is prior to experience4 ,the truth seems to be that we begin with the natural use of the mind as of the body1 and we seek to describe this as well as we can4 ,we eat before we know the nature of digestion2 we think before we know the nature of reflection4 ,as our knowledge increases1 our perception of the mind enlarges also4 ,we cannot indeed get beyond facts1 but neither can we draw any line which separates facts from ideas4 ,and the mind is not something separate from them but included in them1 and they in the mind1 both having a distinctness and individuality of their own4 ,to reduce our conception of mind to a succession of feelings and sensations is like the attempt to view a wide prospect by inches through a microscope1 or to calculate a period of chronology by minutes4 ,the mind ceases to exist when it loses its continuity1 which though far from being its highest determination1 is yet necessary to any conception of it4 ,even an inanimate nature cannot be adequately represented as an endless succession of states or conditions4 ,paragraph ,,ii4 ,another division of the subject has yet to be considered3 ,why should the doctrine that knowledge is sensation1 in ancient times1 or of sensationalism or materialism in modern times1 be allied to the lower rather than to the higher view of ethical philosophy8 ,at first sight the nature and origin of knowledge appear to be wholly disconnected from ethics and religion1 nor can we deny that the ancient ,stoics were materialists1 or that the materialist doctrines prevalent in modern times have been associated with great virtues1 or that both religious and philosophical idealism have not unfrequently parted company with practice4 ,still upon the whole it must be admitted that the higher standard of duty has gone hand in hand with the higher conception of knowledge4 ,it is ,protagoras who is seeking to adapt himself to the opinions of the world2 it is ,plato who rises above them3 the one maintaining that all knowledge is sensation2 the other basing the virtues on the idea of good4 ,the reason of this phenomenon has now to be examined4 ,by those who rest knowledge immediately upon sense1 that explanation of human action is deemed to be the truest which is nearest to sense4 ,as knowledge is reduced to sensation1 so virtue is reduced to feeling1 happiness or good to pleasure4 ,the different virtues--the various characters which exist in the world--are the disguises of self-interest4 ,human nature is dried up2 there is no place left for imagination1 or in any higher sense for religion4 ,ideals of a whole1 or of a state1 or of a law of duty1 or of a divine perfection1 are out of place in an ,epicurean philosophy4 ,the very terms in which they are expressed are suspected of having no meaning4 ,man is to bring himself back as far as he is able to the condition of a rational beast4 ,he is to limit himself to the pursuit of pleasure1 but of this he is to make a far-sighted calculation2--he is to be rationalized1 secularized1 animalized3 or he is to be an amiable sceptic1 better than his own philosophy1 and not falling below the opinions of the world4 ,imagination has been called that 'busy faculty' which is always intruding upon us in the search after truth4 ,but imagination is also that higher power by which we rise above ourselves and the commonplaces of thought and life4 ,the philosophical imagination is another name for reason finding an expression of herself in the outward world4 ,to deprive life of ideals is to deprive it of all higher and comprehensive aims and of the power of imparting and communicating them to others4 ,for men are taught1 not by those who are on a level with them1 but by those who rise above them1 who see the distant hills1 who soar into the empyrean4 ,like a bird in a cage1 the mind confined to sense is always being brought back from the higher to the lower1 from the wider to the narrower view of human knowledge4 ,it seeks to fly but cannot3 instead of aspiring towards perfection1 'it hovers about this lower world and the earthly nature4' ,it loses the religious sense which more than any other seems to take a man out of himself4 ,weary of asking ',what is truth8' it accepts the 'blind witness of eyes and ears2' it draws around itself the curtain of the physical world and is satisfied4 ,the strength of a sensational philosophy lies in the ready accommodation of it to the minds of men2 many who have been metaphysicians in their youth1 as they advance in years are prone to acquiesce in things as they are1 or rather appear to be4 ,they are spectators1 not thinkers1 and the best philosophy is that which requires of them the least amount of mental effort4 ,as a lower philosophy is easier to apprehend than a higher1 so a lower way of life is easier to follow2 and therefore such a philosophy seems to derive a support from the general practice of mankind4 ,it appeals to principles which they all know and recognize3 it gives back to them in a generalized form the results of their own experience4 ,to the man of the world they are the quintessence of his own reflections upon life4 ,to follow custom1 to have no new ideas or opinions1 not to be straining after impossibilities1 to enjoy to-day with just so much forethought as is necessary to provide for the morrow1 this is regarded by the greater part of the world as the natural way of passing through existence4 ,and many who have lived thus have attained to a lower kind of happiness or equanimity4 ,they have possessed their souls in peace without ever allowing them to wander into the region of religious or political controversy1 and without any care for the higher interests of man4 ,but nearly all the good 7as well as some of the evil7 which has ever been done in this world has been the work of another spirit1 the work of enthusiasts and idealists1 of apostles and martyrs4 ,the leaders of mankind have not been of the gentle ,epicurean type2 they have personified ideas2 they have sometimes also been the victims of them4 ,but they have always been seeking after a truth or ideal of which they fell short2 and have died in a manner disappointed of their hopes that they might lift the human race out of the slough in which they found them4 ,they have done little compared with their own visions and aspirations2 but they have done that little1 only because they sought to do1 and once perhaps thought that they were doing1 a great deal more4 ,the philosophies of ,epicurus or ,hume give no adequate or dignified conception of the mind4 ,there is no organic unity in a succession of feeling or sensations2 no comprehensiveness in an infinity of separate actions4 ,the individual never reflects upon himself as a whole2 he can hardly regard one act or part of his life as the cause or effect of any other act or part4 ,whether in practice or speculation1 he is to himself only in successive instants4 ,to such thinkers1 whether in ancient or in modern times1 the mind is only the poor recipient of impressions--not the heir of all the ages1 or connected with all other minds4 ,it begins again with its own modicum of experience having only such vague conceptions of the wisdom of the past as are inseparable from language and popular opinion4 ,it seeks to explain from the experience of the individual what can only be learned from the history of the world4 ,it has no conception of obligation1 duty1 conscience--these are to the ,epicurean or ,utilitarian philosopher only names which interfere with our natural perceptions of pleasure and pain4 ,there seem then to be several answers to the question1 ,why the theory that all knowledge is sensation is allied to the lower rather than to the higher view of ethical philosophy3--#ast1 ,because it is easier to understand and practise2 #bndly1 ,because it is fatal to the pursuit of ideals1 moral1 political1 or religious2 #crdly1 ,because it deprives us of the means and instruments of higher thought1 of any adequate conception of the mind1 of knowledge1 of conscience1 of moral obligation4 444 ,,on ,,the ,,nature ,,and ,,limits ,of ,,psychology4 ,o gar arche men o me oide1 teleute de kai ta metaxu ex ou me oide sumpeplektai1 tis mechane ten toiauten omologian pote epistemen genesthai2 ,plato ,republic4 ,monon gar auto legeiv1 osper gumnon kai aperemomenon apo ton onton apanton1 adunaton4 ,soph4 ,since the above essay first appeared1 many books on ,psychology have been given to the world1 partly based upon the views of ,herbart and other ,german philosophers1 partly independent of them4 ,the subject has gained in bulk and extent2 whether it has had any true growth is more doubtful4 ,it begins to assume the language and claim the authority of a science2 but it is only an hypothesis or outline1 which may be filled up in many ways according to the fancy of individual thinkers4 ,the basis of it is a precarious one1--consciousness of ourselves and a somewhat uncertain observation of the rest of mankind4 ,its relations to other sciences are not yet determined3 they seem to be almost too complicated to be ascertained4 ,it may be compared to an irregular building1 run up hastily and not likely to last1 because its foundations are weak1 and in many places rest only on the surface of the ground4 ,it has sought rather to put together scattered observations and to make them into a system than to describe or prove them4 ,it has never severely drawn the line between facts and opinions4 ,it has substituted a technical phraseology for the common use of language1 being neither able to win acceptance for the one nor to get rid of the other4 ,the system which has thus arisen appears to be a kind of metaphysic narrowed to the point of view of the individual mind1 through which1 as through some new optical instrument limiting the sphere of vision1 the interior of thought and sensation is examined4 ,but the individual mind in the abstract1 as distinct from the mind of a particular individual and separated from the environment of circumstances1 is a fiction only4 ,yet facts which are partly true gather around this fiction and are naturally described by the help of it4 ,there is also a common type of the mind which is derived from the comparison of many minds with one another and with our own4 ,the phenomena of which ,psychology treats are familiar to us1 but they are for the most part indefinite2 they relate to a something inside the body1 which seems also to overleap the limits of space4 ,the operations of this something1 when isolated1 cannot be analyzed by us or subjected to observation and experiment4 ,and there is another point to be considered4 ,the mind1 when thinking1 cannot survey that part of itself which is used in thought4 ,it can only be contemplated in the past1 that is to say1 in the history of the individual or of the world4 ,this is the scientific method of studying the mind4 ,but ,psychology has also some other supports1 specious rather than real4 ,it is partly sustained by the false analogy of ,physical ,science and has great expectations from its near relationship to ,physiology4 ,we truly remark that there is an infinite complexity of the body corresponding to the infinite subtlety of the mind2 we are conscious that they are very nearly connected4 ,but in endeavouring to trace the nature of the connexion we are baffled and disappointed4 ,in our knowledge of them the gulf remains the same3 no microscope has ever seen into thought2 no reflection on ourselves has supplied the missing link between mind and matter444,these are the conditions of this very inexact science1 and we shall only know less of it by pretending to know more1 or by assigning to it a form or style to which it has not yet attained and is not really entitled4 ,experience shows that any system1 however baseless and ineffectual1 in our own or in any other age1 may be accepted and continue to be studied1 if it seeks to satisfy some unanswered question or is based upon some ancient tradition1 especially if it takes the form and uses the language of inductive philosophy4 ,the fact therefore that such a science exists and is popular1 affords no evidence of its truth or value4 ,many who have pursued it far into detail have never examined the foundations on which it rests4 ,the have been many imaginary subjects of knowledge of which enthusiastic persons have made a lifelong study1 without ever asking themselves what is the evidence for them1 what is the use of them1 how long they will last8 ,they may pass away1 like the authors of them1 and 'leave not a wrack behind2' or they may survive in fragments4 ,nor is it only in the ,middle ,ages1 or in the literary desert of ,china or of ,india1 that such systems have arisen2 in our own enlightened age1 growing up by the side of ,physics1 ,ethics1 and other really progressive sciences1 there is a weary waste of knowledge1 falsely so-called4 ,there are sham sciences which no logic has ever put to the test1 in which the desire for knowledge invents the materials of it4 ,and therefore it is expedient once more to review the bases of ,psychology1 lest we should be imposed upon by its pretensions4 ,the study of it may have done good service by awakening us to the sense of inveterate errors familiarized by language1 yet it may have fallen into still greater ones2 under the pretence of new investigations it may be wasting the lives of those who are engaged in it4 ,it may also be found that the discussion of it will throw light upon some points in the ,theaetetus of ,plato1--the oldest work on ,psychology which has come down to us4 ,the imaginary science may be called1 in the language of ancient philosophy1 'a shadow of a part of ,dialectic or ,metaphysic' 7,gorg474 ,in this postscript or appendix we propose to treat1 first1 of the true bases of ,psychology2 secondly1 of the errors into which the students of it are most likely to fall2 thirdly1 of the principal subjects which are usually comprehended under it2 fourthly1 of the form which facts relating to the mind most naturally assume4 ,we may preface the enquiry by two or three remarks3-- 7#a7 ,we do not claim for the popular ,psychology the position of a science at all2 it cannot1 like the ,physical ,sciences1 proceed by the ,inductive ,method3 it has not the necessity of ,mathematics3 it does not1 like ,metaphysic1 argue from abstract notions or from internal coherence4 ,it is made up of scattered observations4 ,a few of these1 though they may sometimes appear to be truisms1 are of the greatest value1 and free from all doubt4 ,we are conscious of them in ourselves2 we observe them working in others2 we are assured of them at all times4 ,for example1 we are absolutely certain1 7a7 of the influence exerted by the mind over the body or by the body over the mind3 7b7 of the power of association1 by which the appearance of some person or the occurrence of some event recalls to mind1 not always but often1 other persons and events3 7c7 of the effect of habit1 which is strongest when least disturbed by reflection1 and is to the mind what the bones are to the body3 7d7 of the real1 though not unlimited1 freedom of the human will3 7e7 of the reference1 more or less distinct1 of our sensations1 feelings1 thoughts1 actions1 to ourselves1 which is called consciousness1 or1 when in excess1 self-consciousness3 7f7 of the distinction of the ',i' and ',not ,i1' of ourselves and outward objects4 ,but when we attempt to gather up these elements in a single system1 we discover that the links by which we combine them are apt to be mere words4 ,we are in a country which has never been cleared or surveyed2 here and there only does a gleam of light come through the darkness of the forest4 7#b7 ,these fragments1 although they can never become science in the ordinary sense of the word1 are a real part of knowledge and may be of great value in education4 ,we may be able to add a good deal to them from our own experience1 and we may verify them by it4 ,self-examination is one of those studies which a man can pursue alone1 by attention to himself and the processes of his individual mind4 ,he may learn much about his own character and about the character of others1 if he will 'make his mind sit down' and look at itself in the glass4 ,the great1 if not the only use of such a study is a practical one1--to know1 first1 human nature1 and1 secondly1 our own nature1 as it truly is4 7#c7 ,hence it is important that we should conceive of the mind in the noblest and simplest manner4 ,while acknowledging that language has been the greatest factor in the formation of human thought1 we must endeavour to get rid of the disguises1 oppositions1 contradictions1 which arise out of it4 ,we must disengage ourselves from the ideas which the customary use of words has implanted in us4 ,to avoid error as much as possible when we are speaking of things unseen1 the principal terms which we use should be few1 and we should not allow ourselves to be enslaved by them4 ,instead of seeking to frame a technical language1 we should vary our forms of speech1 lest they should degenerate into formulas4 ,a difficult philosophical problem is better understood when translated into the vernacular4 ,i4a4 ,psychology is inseparable from language1 and early language contains the first impressions or the oldest experience of man respecting himself4 ,these impressions are not accurate representations of the truth2 they are the reflections of a rudimentary age of philosophy4 ,the first and simplest forms of thought are rooted so deep in human nature that they can never be got rid of2 but they have been perpetually enlarged and elevated1 and the use of many words has been transferred from the body to the mind4 ,the spiritual and intellectual have thus become separated from the material--there is a cleft between them2 and the heart and the conscience of man rise above the dominion of the appetites and create a new language in which they too find expression4 ,as the differences of actions begin to be perceived1 more and more names are needed4 ,this is the first analysis of the human mind2 having a general foundation in popular experience1 it is moulded to a certain extent by hierophants and philosophers4 7,see ,introd4 to ,cratylus47 b4 ,this primitive psychology is continually receiving additions from the first thinkers1 who in return take a colour from the popular language of the time4 ,the mind is regarded from new points of view1 and becomes adapted to new conditions of knowledge4 ,it seeks to isolate itself from matter and sense1 and to assert its independence in thought4 ,it recognizes that it is independent of the external world4 ,it has five or six natural states or stages3--7#a7 sensation1 in which it is almost latent or quiescent3 7#b7 feeling1 or inner sense1 when the mind is just awakening3 7#c7 memory1 which is decaying sense1 and from time to time1 as with a spark or flash1 has the power of recollecting or reanimating the buried past3 7#d7 thought1 in which images pass into abstract notions or are intermingled with them3 7#e7 action1 in which the mind moves forward1 of itself1 or under the impulse of want or desire or pain1 to attain or avoid some end or consequence3 and 7#f7 there is the composition of these or the admixture or assimilation of them in various degrees4 ,we never see these processes of the mind1 nor can we tell the causes of them4 ,but we know them by their results1 and learn from other men that so far as we can describe to them or they to us the workings of the mind1 their experience is the same or nearly the same with our own4 c4 ,but the knowledge of the mind is not to any great extent derived from the observation of the individual by himself4 ,it is the growing consciousness of the human race1 embodied in language1 acknowledged by experience1 and corrected from time to time by the influence of literature and philosophy4 ,a great1 perhaps the most important1 part of it is to be found in early ,greek thought4 ,in the ,theaetetus of ,plato it has not yet become fixed3 we are still stumbling on the threshold4 ,in ,aristotle the process is more nearly completed1 and has gained innumerable abstractions1 of which many have had to be thrown away because relative only to the controversies of the time4 ,in the interval between ,thales and ,aristotle were realized the distinctions of mind and body1 of universal and particular1 of infinite and infinitesimal1 of idea and phenomenon2 the class conceptions of faculties and virtues1 the antagonism of the appetites and the reason2 and connected with this1 at a higher stage of development1 the opposition of moral and intellectual virtue2 also the primitive conceptions of unity1 being1 rest1 motion1 and the like4 ,these divisions were not really scientific1 but rather based on popular experience4 ,they were not held with the precision of modern thinkers1 but taken all together they gave a new existence to the mind in thought1 and greatly enlarged and more accurately defined man's knowledge of himself and of the world4 ,the majority of them have been accepted by ,christian and ,western nations4 ,yet in modern times we have also drifted so far away from ,aristotle1 that if we were to frame a system on his lines we should be at war with ordinary language and untrue to our own consciousness4 ,and there have been a few both in mediaeval times and since the ,reformation who have rebelled against the ,aristotelian point of view4 ,of these eccentric thinkers there have been various types1 but they have all a family likeness4 ,according to them1 there has been too much analysis and too little synthesis1 too much division of the mind into parts and too little conception of it as a whole or in its relation to ,god and the laws of the universe4 ,they have thought that the elements of plurality and unity have not been duly adjusted4 ,the tendency of such writers has been to allow the personality of man to be absorbed in the universal1 or in the divine nature1 and to deny the distinction between matter and mind1 or to substitute one for the other4 ,they have broken some of the idols of ,psychology3 they have challenged the received meaning of words3 they have regarded the mind under many points of view4 ,but though they may have shaken the old1 they have not established the new2 their views of philosophy1 which seem like the echo of some voice from the ,east1 have been alien to the mind of ,europe4 d4 ,the ,psychology which is found in common language is in some degree verified by experience1 but not in such a manner as to give it the character of an exact science4 ,we cannot say that words always correspond to facts4 ,common language represents the mind from different and even opposite points of view1 which cannot be all of them equally true 7compare ,cratylus74 ,yet from diversity of statements and opinions may be obtained a nearer approach to the truth than is to be gained from any one of them4 ,it also tends to correct itself1 because it is gradually brought nearer to the common sense of mankind4 ,there are some leading categories or classifications of thought1 which1 though unverified1 must always remain the elements from which the science or study of the mind proceeds4 ,for example1 we must assume ideas before we can analyze them1 and also a continuing mind to which they belong2 the resolution of it into successive moments1 which would say1 with ,protagoras1 that the man is not the same person which he was a minute ago1 is1 as ,plato implies in the ,theaetetus1 an absurdity4 e4 ,the growth of the mind1 which may be traced in the histories of religions and philosophies and in the thoughts of nations1 is one of the deepest and noblest modes of studying it4 ,here we are dealing with the reality1 with the greater and1 as it may be termed1 the most sacred part of history4 ,we study the mind of man as it begins to be inspired by a human or divine reason1 as it is modified by circumstances1 as it is distributed in nations1 as it is renovated by great movements1 which go beyond the limits of nations and affect human society on a scale still greater1 as it is created or renewed by great minds1 who1 looking down from above1 have a wider and more comprehensive vision4 ,this is an ambitious study1 of which most of us rather 'entertain conjecture' than arrive at any detailed or accurate knowledge4 ,later arises the reflection how these great ideas or movements of the world have been appropriated by the multitude and found a way to the minds of individuals4 ,the real ,psychology is that which shows how the increasing knowledge of nature and the increasing experience of life have always been slowly transforming the mind1 how religions too have been modified in the course of ages 'that ,god may be all and in all4' ,e pollaplasion1 eoe1 to ergon e os nun zeteitai prostatteis4 f4 ,lastly1 though we speak of the study of mind in a special sense1 it may also be said that there is no science which does not contribute to our knowledge of it4 ,the methods of science and their analogies are new faculties1 discovered by the few and imparted to the many4 ,they are to the mind1 what the senses are to the body2 or better1 they may be compared to instruments such as the telescope or microscope by which the discriminating power of the senses1 or to other mechanical inventions1 by which the strength and skill of the human body is so immeasurably increased4 ,,ii4 ,the new ,psychology1 whatever may be its claim to the authority of a science1 has called attention to many facts and corrected many errors1 which without it would have been unexamined4 ,yet it is also itself very liable to illusion4 ,the evidence on which it rests is vague and indefinite4 ,the field of consciousness is never seen by us as a whole1 but only at particular points1 which are always changing4 ,the veil of language intercepts facts4 ,hence it is desirable that in making an approach to the study we should consider at the outset what are the kinds of error which most easily affect it1 and note the differences which separate it from other branches of knowledge4 a4 ,first1 we observe the mind by the mind4 ,it would seem therefore that we are always in danger of leaving out the half of that which is the subject of our enquiry4 ,we come at once upon the difficulty of what is the meaning of the word4 ,does it differ as subject and object in the same manner8 ,can we suppose one set of feelings or one part of the mind to interpret another8 ,is the introspecting thought the same with the thought which is introspected8 ,has the mind the power of surveying its whole domain at one and the same time8--,no more than the eye can take in the whole human body at a glance4 ,yet there may be a glimpse round the corner1 or a thought transferred in a moment from one point of view to another1 which enables us to see nearly the whole1 if not at once1 at any rate in succession4 ,such glimpses will hardly enable us to contemplate from within the mind in its true proportions4 ,hence the firmer ground of ,psychology is not the consciousness of inward feelings but the observation of external actions1 being the actions not only of ourselves1 but of the innumerable persons whom we come across in life4 b4 ,the error of supposing partial or occasional explanation of mental phenomena to be the only or complete ones4 ,for example1 we are disinclined to admit of the spontaneity or discontinuity of the mind--it seems to us like an effect without a cause1 and therefore we suppose the train of our thoughts to be always called up by association4 ,yet it is probable1 or indeed certain1 that of many mental phenomena there are no mental antecedents1 but only bodily ones4 c4 ,the false influence of language4 ,we are apt to suppose that when there are two or more words describing faculties or processes of the mind1 there are real differences corresponding to them4 ,but this is not the case4 ,nor can we determine how far they do or do not exist1 or by what degree or kind of difference they are distinguished4 ,the same remark may be made about figures of speech4 ,they fill up the vacancy of knowledge2 they are to the mind what too much colour is to the eye2 but the truth is rather concealed than revealed by them4 d4 ,the uncertain meaning of terms1 such as ,consciousness1 ,conscience1 ,will1 ,law1 ,knowledge1 ,internal and ,external ,sense2 these1 in the language of ,plato1 'we shamelessly use1 without ever having taken the pains to analyze them4' e4 ,a science such as ,psychology is not merely an hypothesis1 but an hypothesis which1 unlike the hypotheses of ,physics1 can never be verified4 ,it rests only on the general impressions of mankind1 and there is little or no hope of adding in any considerable degree to our stock of mental facts4 f4 ,the parallelism of the ,physical ,sciences1 which leads us to analyze the mind on the analogy of the body1 and so to reduce mental operations to the level of bodily ones1 or to confound one with the other4 g4 ,that the progress of ,physiology may throw a new light on ,psychology is a dream in which scientific men are always tempted to indulge4 ,but however certain we may be of the connexion between mind and body1 the explanation of the one by the other is a hidden place of nature which has hitherto been investigated with little or no success4 h4 ,the impossibility of distinguishing between mind and body4 ,neither in thought nor in experience can we separate them4 ,they seem to act together2 yet we feel that we are sometimes under the dominion of the one1 sometimes of the other1 and sometimes1 both in the common use of language and in fact1 they transform themselves1 the one into the good principle1 the other into the evil principle2 and then again the ',i' comes in and mediates between them4 ,it is also difficult to distinguish outward facts from the ideas of them in the mind1 or to separate the external stimulus to a sensation from the activity of the organ1 or this from the invisible agencies by which it reaches the mind1 or any process of sense from its mental antecedent1 or any mental energy from its nervous expression4 i4 ,the fact that mental divisions tend to run into one another1 and that in speaking of the mind we cannot always distinguish differences of kind from differences of degree2 nor have we any measure of the strength and intensity of our ideas or feelings4 j4 ,although heredity has been always known to the ancients as well as ourselves to exercise a considerable influence on human character1 yet we are unable to calculate what proportion this birth-influence bears to nurture and education4 ,but this is the real question4 ,we cannot pursue the mind into embryology3 we can only trace how1 after birth1 it begins to grow4 ,but how much is due to the soil1 how much to the original latent seed1 it is impossible to distinguish4 ,and because we are certain that heredity exercises a considerable1 but undefined influence1 we must not increase the wonder by exaggerating it4 k4 ,the love of system is always tending to prevail over the historical investigation of the mind1 which is our chief means of knowing it4 ,it equally tends to hinder the other great source of our knowledge of the mind1 the observation of its workings and processes which we can make for ourselves4 l4 ,the mind1 when studied through the individual1 is apt to be isolated--this is due to the very form of the enquiry2 whereas1 in truth1 it is indistinguishable from circumstances1 the very language which it uses being the result of the instincts of long-forgotten generations1 and every word which a man utters being the answer to some other word spoken or suggested by somebody else4 ,,iii4 ,the tendency of the preceding remarks has been to show that ,psychology is necessarily a fragment1 and is not and cannot be a connected system4 ,we cannot define or limit the mind1 but we can describe it4 ,we can collect information about it2 we can enumerate the principal subjects which are included in the study of it4 ,thus we are able to rehabilitate ,psychology to some extent1 not as a branch of science1 but as a collection of facts bearing on human life1 as a part of the history of philosophy1 as an aspect of ,metaphysic4 ,it is a fragment of a science only1 which in all probability can never make any great progress or attain to much clearness or exactness4 ,it is however a kind of knowledge which has a great interest for us and is always present to us1 and of which we carry about the materials in our own bosoms4 ,we can observe our minds and we can experiment upon them1 and the knowledge thus acquired is not easily forgotten1 and is a help to us in study as well as in conduct4 ,the principal subjects of ,psychology may be summed up as follows3-- a4 ,the relation of man to the world around him1--in what sense and within what limits can he withdraw from its laws or assert himself against them 7,freedom and ,necessity71 and what is that which we suppose to be thus independent and which we call ourselves8 ,how does the inward differ from the outward and what is the relation between them1 and where do we draw the line by which we separate mind from matter1 the soul from the body8 ,is the mind active or passive1 or partly both8 ,are its movements identical with those of the body1 or only preconcerted and coincident with them1 or is one simply an aspect of the other8 b4 ,what are we to think of time and space8 ,time seems to have a nearer connexion with the mind1 space with the body2 yet time1 as well as space1 is necessary to our idea of either4 ,we see also that they have an analogy with one another1 and that in ,mathematics they often interpenetrate4 ,space or place has been said by ,kant to be the form of the outward1 time of the inward sense4 ,he regards them as parts or forms of the mind4 ,but this is an unfortunate and inexpressive way of describing their relation to us4 ,for of all the phenomena present to the human mind they seem to have most the character of objective existence4 ,there is no use in asking what is beyond or behind them2 we cannot get rid of them4 ,and to throw the laws of external nature which to us are the type of the immutable into the subjective side of the antithesis seems to be equally inappropriate4 c4 ,when in imagination we enter into the closet of the mind and withdraw ourselves from the external world1 we seem to find there more or less distinct processes which may be described by the words1 ',i perceive1' ',i feel1' ',i think1' ',i want1' ',i wish1' ',i like1' ',i dislike1' ',i fear1' ',i know1' ',i remember1' ',i imagine1' ',i dream1' ',i act1' ',i endeavour1' ',i hope4' ,these processes would seem to have the same notions attached to them in the minds of all educated persons4 ,they are distinguished from one another in thought1 but they intermingle4 ,it is possible to reflect upon them or to become conscious of them in a greater or less degree1 or with a greater or less continuity or attention1 and thus arise the intermittent phenomena of consciousness or self-consciousness4 ,the use of all of them is possible to us at all times2 and therefore in any operation of the mind the whole are latent4 ,but we are able to characterise them sufficiently by that part of the complex action which is the most prominent4 ,we have no difficulty in distinguishing an act of sight or an act of will from an act of thought1 although thought is present in both of them4 ,hence the conception of different faculties or different virtues is precarious1 because each of them is passing into the other1 and they are all one in the mind itself2 they appear and reappear1 and may all be regarded as the ever-varying phases or aspects or differences of the same mind or person4 d4 ,nearest the sense in the scale of the intellectual faculties is memory1 which is a mode rather than a faculty of the mind1 and accompanies all mental operations4 ,there are two principal kinds of it1 recollection and recognition1--recollection in which forgotten things are recalled or return to the mind1 recognition in which the mind finds itself again among things once familiar4 ,the simplest way in which we can represent the former to ourselves is by shutting our eyes and trying to recall in what we term the mind's eye the picture of the surrounding scene1 or by laying down the book which we are reading and recapitulating what we can remember of it4 ,but many times more powerful than recollection is recognition1 perhaps because it is more assisted by association4 ,we have known and forgotten1 and after a long interval the thing which we have seen once is seen again by us1 but with a different feeling1 and comes back to us1 not as new knowledge1 but as a thing to which we ourselves impart a notion already present to us2 in ,plato's words1 we set the stamp upon the wax4 ,every one is aware of the difference between the first and second sight of a place1 between a scene clothed with associations or bare and divested of them4 ,we say to ourselves on revisiting a spot after a long interval3 ,how many things have happened since ,i last saw this6 ,there is probably no impression ever received by us of which we can venture to say that the vestiges are altogether lost1 or that we might not1 under some circumstances1 recover it4 ,a long-forgotten knowledge may be easily renewed and therefore is very different from ignorance4 ,of the language learnt in childhood not a word may be remembered1 and yet1 when a new beginning is made1 the old habit soon returns1 the neglected organs come back into use1 and the river of speech finds out the dried-up channel4 e4 ',consciousness' is the most treacherous word which is employed in the study of the mind1 for it is used in many senses1 and has rarely1 if ever1 been minutely analyzed4 ,like memory1 it accompanies all mental operations1 but not always continuously1 and it exists in various degrees4 ,it may be imperceptible or hardly perceptible3 it may be the living sense that our thoughts1 actions1 sufferings1 are our own4 ,it is a kind of attention which we pay to ourselves1 and is intermittent rather than continuous4 ,its sphere has been exaggerated4 ,it is sometimes said to assure us of our freedom2 but this is an illusion3 as there may be a real freedom without consciousness of it1 so there may be a consciousness of freedom without the reality4 ,it may be regarded as a higher degree of knowledge when we not only know but know that we know4 ,consciousness is opposed to habit1 inattention1 sleep1 death4 ,it may be illustrated by its derivative conscience1 which speaks to men1 not only of right and wrong in the abstract1 but of right and wrong actions in reference to themselves and their circumstances4 f4 ,association is another of the ever-present phenomena of the human mind4 ,we speak of the laws of association1 but this is an expression which is confusing1 for the phenomenon itself is of the most capricious and uncertain sort4 ,it may be briefly described as follows4 ,the simplest case of association is that of sense4 ,when we see or hear separately one of two things1 which we have previously seen or heard together1 the occurrence of the one has a tendency to suggest the other4 ,so the sight or name of a house may recall to our minds the memory of those who once lived there4 ,like may recall like and everything its opposite4 ,the parts of a whole1 the terms of a series1 objects lying near1 words having a customary order stick together in the mind4 ,a word may bring back a passage of poetry or a whole system of philosophy2 from one end of the world or from one pole of knowledge we may travel to the other in an indivisible instant4 ,the long train of association by which we pass from one point to the other1 involving every sort of complex relation1 so sudden1 so accidental1 is one of the greatest wonders of mind444,this process however is not always continuous1 but often intermittent3 we can think of things in isolation as well as in association2 we do not mean that they must all hang from one another4 ,we can begin again after an interval of rest or vacancy1 as a new train of thought suddenly arises1 as1 for example1 when we wake of a morning or after violent exercise4 ,time1 place1 the same colour or sound or smell or taste1 will often call up some thought or recollection either accidentally or naturally associated with them4 ,but it is equally noticeable that the new thought may occur to us1 we cannot tell how or why1 by the spontaneous action of the mind itself or by the latent influence of the body4 ,both science and poetry are made up of associations or recollections1 but we must observe also that the mind is not wholly dependent on them1 having also the power of origination4 ,there are other processes of the mind which it is good for us to study when we are at home and by ourselves1--the manner in which thought passes into act1 the conflict of passion and reason in many stages1 the transition from sensuality to love or sentiment and from earthly love to heavenly1 the slow and silent influence of habit1 which little by little changes the nature of men1 the sudden change of the old nature of man into a new one1 wrought by shame or by some other overwhelming impulse4 ,these are the greater phenomena of mind1 and he who has thought of them for himself will live and move in a better-ordered world1 and will himself be a better-ordered man4 ,at the other end of the 'globus intellectualis1' nearest1 not to earth and sense1 but to heaven and ,god1 is the personality of man1 by which he holds communion with the unseen world4 ,somehow1 he knows not how1 somewhere1 he knows not where1 under this higher aspect of his being he grasps the ideas of ,god1 freedom and immortality2 he sees the forms of truth1 holiness and love1 and is satisfied with them4 ,no account of the mind can be complete which does not admit the reality or the possibility of another life4 ,whether regarded as an ideal or as a fact1 the highest part of man's nature and that in which it seems most nearly to approach the divine1 is a phenomenon which exists1 and must therefore be included within the domain of ,psychology4 ,,iv4 ,we admit that there is no perfect or ideal ,psychology4 ,it is not a whole in the same sense in which ,chemistry1 ,physiology1 or ,mathematics are wholes3 that is to say1 it is not a connected unity of knowledge4 ,compared with the wealth of other sciences1 it rests upon a small number of facts2 and when we go beyond these1 we fall into conjectures and verbal discussions4 ,the facts themselves are disjointed2 the causes of them run up into other sciences1 and we have no means of tracing them from one to the other4 ,yet it may be true of this1 as of other beginnings of knowledge1 that the attempt to put them together has tested the truth of them1 and given a stimulus to the enquiry into them4 ,psychology should be natural1 not technical4 ,it should take the form which is the most intelligible to the common understanding1 because it has to do with common things1 which are familiar to us all4 ,it should aim at no more than every reflecting man knows or can easily verify for himself4 ,when simple and unpretentious1 it is least obscured by words1 least liable to fall under the influence of ,physiology or ,metaphysic4 ,it should argue1 not from exceptional1 but from ordinary phenomena4 ,it should be careful to distinguish the higher and the lower elements of human nature1 and not allow one to be veiled in the disguise of the other1 lest through the slippery nature of language we should pass imperceptibly from good to evil1 from nature in the higher to nature in the neutral or lower sense4 ,it should assert consistently the unity of the human faculties1 the unity of knowledge1 the unity of ,god and law4 ,the difference between the will and the affections and between the reason and the passions should also be recognized by it4 ,its sphere is supposed to be narrowed to the individual soul2 but it cannot be thus separated in fact4 ,it goes back to the beginnings of things1 to the first growth of language and philosophy1 and to the whole science of man4 ,there can be no truth or completeness in any study of the mind which is confined to the individual4 ,the nature of language1 though not the whole1 is perhaps at present the most important element in our knowledge of it4 ,it is not impossible that some numerical laws may be found to have a place in the relations of mind and matter1 as in the rest of nature4 ,the old ,pythagorean fancy that the soul 'is or has in it harmony' may in some degree be realized4 ,but the indications of such numerical harmonies are faint2 either the secret of them lies deeper than we can discover1 or nature may have rebelled against the use of them in the composition of men and animals4 ,it is with qualitative rather than with quantitative differences that we are concerned in ,psychology4 ,the facts relating to the mind which we obtain from ,physiology are negative rather than positive4 ,they show us1 not the processes of mental action1 but the conditions of which when deprived the mind ceases to act4 ,it would seem as if the time had not yet arrived when we can hope to add anything of much importance to our knowledge of the mind from the investigations of the microscope4 ,the elements of ,psychology can still only be learnt from reflections on ourselves1 which interpret and are also interpreted by our experience of others4 ,the history of language1 of philosophy1 and religion1 the great thoughts or inventions or discoveries which move mankind1 furnish the larger moulds or outlines in which the human mind has been cast4 ,from these the individual derives so much as he is able to comprehend or has the opportunity of learning4 ,,theaetetus ,,persons ,,of ,,the ,,dialogue3 ,socrates1 ,theodorus1 ,theaetetus4 ,euclid and ,terpsion meet in front of ,euclid's house in ,megara2 they enter the house1 and the dialogue is read to them by a servant4 ,,euclid3 ,have you only just arrived from the country1 ,terpsion8 ,,terpsion3 ,no1 ,i came some time ago3 and ,i have been in the ,agora looking for you1 and wondering that ,i could not find you4 ,,euclid3 ,but ,i was not in the city4 ,,terpsion3 ,where then8 ,,euclid3 ,as ,i was going down to the harbour1 ,i met ,theaetetus--he was being carried up to ,athens from the army at ,corinth4 ,,terpsion3 ,was he alive or dead8 ,,euclid3 ,he was scarcely alive1 for he has been badly wounded2 but he was suffering even more from the sickness which has broken out in the army4 ,,terpsion3 ,the dysentery1 you mean8 ,,euclid3 ,yes4 ,,terpsion3 ,alas6 what a loss he will be6 ,,euclid3 ,yes1 ,terpsion1 he is a noble fellow2 only to-day ,i heard some people highly praising his behaviour in this very battle4 ,,terpsion3 ,no wonder2 ,i should rather be surprised at hearing anything else of him4 ,but why did he go on1 instead of stopping at ,megara8 ,,euclid3 ,he wanted to get home3 although ,i entreated and advised him to remain1 he would not listen to me2 so ,i set him on his way1 and turned back1 and then ,i remembered what ,socrates had said of him1 and thought how remarkably this1 like all his predictions1 had been fulfilled4 ,i believe that he had seen him a little before his own death1 when ,theaetetus was a youth1 and he had a memorable conversation with him1 which he repeated to me when ,i came to ,athens2 he was full of admiration of his genius1 and said that he would most certainly be a great man1 if he lived4 ,,terpsion3 ,the prophecy has certainly been fulfilled2 but what was the conversation8 can you tell me8 ,,euclid3 ,no1 indeed1 not offhand2 but ,i took notes of it as soon as ,i got home2 these ,i filled up from memory1 writing them out at leisure2 and whenever ,i went to ,athens1 ,i asked ,socrates about any point which ,i had forgotten1 and on my return ,i made corrections2 thus ,i have nearly the whole conversation written down4 ,,terpsion3 ,i remember--you told me2 and ,i have always been intending to ask you to show me the writing1 but have put off doing so2 and now1 why should we not read it through8--having just come from the country1 ,i should greatly like to rest4 ,,euclid3 ,i too shall be very glad of a rest1 for ,i went with ,theaetetus as far as ,erineum4 ,let us go in1 then1 and1 while we are reposing1 the servant shall read to us4 ,,terpsion3 ,very good4 ,,euclid3 ,here is the roll1 ,terpsion2 ,i may observe that ,i have introduced ,socrates1 not as narrating to me1 but as actually conversing with the persons whom he mentioned--these were1 ,theodorus the geometrician 7of ,cyrene71 and ,theaetetus4 ,i have omitted1 for the sake of convenience1 the interlocutory words ',i said1' ',i remarked1' which he used when he spoke of himself1 and again1 'he agreed1' or 'disagreed1' in the answer1 lest the repetition of them should be troublesome4 ,,terpsion3 ,quite right1 ,euclid4 ,,euclid3 ,and now1 boy1 you may take the roll and read4 ,,euclid',s ,,servant ,,reads4 ,,socrates3 ,if ,i cared enough about the ,cyrenians1 ,theodorus1 ,i would ask you whether there are any rising geometricians or philosophers in that part of the world4 ,but ,i am more interested in our own ,athenian youth1 and ,i would rather know who among them are likely to do well4 ,i observe them as far as ,i can myself1 and ,i enquire of any one whom they follow1 and ,i see that a great many of them follow you1 in which they are quite right1 considering your eminence in geometry and in other ways4 ,tell me then1 if you have met with any one who is good for anything4 ,,theodorus3 ,yes1 ,socrates1 ,i have become acquainted with one very remarkable ,athenian youth1 whom ,i commend to you as well worthy of your attention4 ,if he had been a beauty ,i should have been afraid to praise him1 lest you should suppose that ,i was in love with him2 but he is no beauty1 and you must not be offended if ,i say that he is very like you2 for he has a snub nose and projecting eyes1 although these features are less marked in him than in you4 ,seeing1 then1 that he has no personal attractions1 ,i may freely say1 that in all my acquaintance1 which is very large1 ,i never knew any one who was his equal in natural gifts3 for he has a quickness of apprehension which is almost unrivalled1 and he is exceedingly gentle1 and also the most courageous of men2 there is a union of qualities in him such as ,i have never seen in any other1 and should scarcely have thought possible2 for those who1 like him1 have quick and ready and retentive wits1 have generally also quick tempers2 they are ships without ballast1 and go darting about1 and are mad rather than courageous2 and the steadier sort1 when they have to face study1 prove stupid and cannot remember4 ,whereas he moves surely and smoothly and successfully in the path of knowledge and enquiry2 and he is full of gentleness1 flowing on silently like a river of oil2 at his age1 it is wonderful4 ,,socrates3 ,that is good news2 whose son is he8 ,,theodorus3 ,the name of his father ,i have forgotten1 but the youth himself is the middle one of those who are approaching us2 he and his companions have been anointing themselves in the outer court1 and now they seem to have finished1 and are coming towards us4 ,look and see whether you know him4 ,,socrates3 ,i know the youth1 but ,i do not know his name2 he is the son of ,euphronius the ,sunian1 who was himself an eminent man1 and such another as his son is1 according to your account of him2 ,i believe that he left a considerable fortune4 ,,theodorus3 ,theaetetus1 ,socrates1 is his name2 but ,i rather think that the property disappeared in the hands of trustees2 notwithstanding which he is wonderfully liberal4 ,,socrates3 ,he must be a fine fellow2 tell him to come and sit by me4 ,,theodorus3 ,i will4 ,come hither1 ,theaetetus1 and sit by ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,by all means1 ,theaetetus1 in order that ,i may see the reflection of myself in your face1 for ,theodorus says that we are alike2 and yet if each of us held in his hands a lyre1 and he said that they were tuned alike1 should we at once take his word1 or should we ask whether he who said so was or was not a musician8 ,,theaetetus3 ,we should ask4 ,,socrates3 ,and if we found that he was1 we should take his word2 and if not1 not8 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,and if this supposed likeness of our faces is a matter of any interest to us1 we should enquire whether he who says that we are alike is a painter or not8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly we should4 ,,socrates3 ,and is ,theodorus a painter8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i never heard that he was4 ,,socrates3 ,is he a geometrician8 ,,theaetetus3 ,of course he is1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,and is he an astronomer and calculator and musician1 and in general an educated man8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i think so4 ,,socrates3 ,if1 then1 he remarks on a similarity in our persons1 either by way of praise or blame1 there is no particular reason why we should attend to him4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i should say not4 ,,socrates3 ,but if he praises the virtue or wisdom which are the mental endowments of either of us1 then he who hears the praises will naturally desire to examine him who is praised3 and he again should be willing to exhibit himself4 ,,theaetetus3 ,very true1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,then now is the time1 my dear ,theaetetus1 for me to examine1 and for you to exhibit2 since although ,theodorus has praised many a citizen and stranger in my hearing1 never did ,i hear him praise any one as he has been praising you4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i am glad to hear it1 ,socrates2 but what if he was only in jest8 ,,socrates3 ,nay1 ,theodorus is not given to jesting2 and ,i cannot allow you to retract your consent on any such pretence as that4 ,if you do1 he will have to swear to his words2 and we are perfectly sure that no one will be found to impugn him4 ,do not be shy then1 but stand to your word4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i suppose ,i must1 if you wish it4 ,,socrates3 ,in the first place1 ,i should like to ask what you learn of ,theodorus3 something of geometry1 perhaps8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and astronomy and harmony and calculation8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i do my best4 ,,socrates3 ,yes1 my boy1 and so do ,i2 and my desire is to learn of him1 or of anybody who seems to understand these things4 ,and ,i get on pretty well in general2 but there is a little difficulty which ,i want you and the company to aid me in investigating4 ,will you answer me a question3 ',is not learning growing wiser about that which you learn8' ,,theaetetus3 ,of course4 ,,socrates3 ,and by wisdom the wise are wise8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and is that different in any way from knowledge8 ,,theaetetus3 ,what8 ,,socrates3 ,wisdom2 are not men wise in that which they know8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly they are4 ,,socrates3 ,then wisdom and knowledge are the same8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,herein lies the difficulty which ,i can never solve to my satisfaction--,what is knowledge8 ,can we answer that question8 ,what say you8 which of us will speak first8 whoever misses shall sit down1 as at a game of ball1 and shall be donkey1 as the boys say2 he who lasts out his competitors in the game without missing1 shall be our king1 and shall have the right of putting to us any questions which he pleases444,why is there no reply8 ,i hope1 ,theodorus1 that ,i am not betrayed into rudeness by my love of conversation8 ,i only want to make us talk and be friendly and sociable4 ,,theodorus3 ,the reverse of rudeness1 ,socrates3 but ,i would rather that you would ask one of the young fellows2 for the truth is1 that ,i am unused to your game of question and answer1 and ,i am too old to learn2 the young will be more suitable1 and they will improve more than ,i shall1 for youth is always able to improve4 ,and so having made a beginning with ,theaetetus1 ,i would advise you to go on with him and not let him off4 ,,socrates3 ,do you hear1 ,theaetetus1 what ,theodorus says8 ,the philosopher1 whom you would not like to disobey1 and whose word ought to be a command to a young man1 bids me interrogate you4 ,take courage1 then1 and nobly say what you think that knowledge is4 ,,theaetetus3 ,well1 ,socrates1 ,i will answer as you and he bid me2 and if ,i make a mistake1 you will doubtless correct me4 ,,socrates3 ,we will1 if we can4 ,,theaetetus3 ,then1 ,i think that the sciences which ,i learn from ,theodorus--geometry1 and those which you just now mentioned--are knowledge2 and ,i would include the art of the cobbler and other craftsmen2 these1 each and all of1 them1 are knowledge4 ,,socrates3 ,too much1 ,theaetetus1 too much2 the nobility and liberality of your nature make you give many and diverse things1 when ,i am asking for one simple thing4 ,,theaetetus3 ,what do you mean1 ,socrates8 ,,socrates3 ,perhaps nothing4 ,i will endeavour1 however1 to explain what ,i believe to be my meaning3 ,when you speak of cobbling1 you mean the art or science of making shoes8 ,,theaetetus3 ,just so4 ,,socrates3 ,and when you speak of carpentering1 you mean the art of making wooden implements8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i do4 ,,socrates3 ,in both cases you define the subject matter of each of the two arts8 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,but that1 ,theaetetus1 was not the point of my question3 we wanted to know not the subjects1 nor yet the number of the arts or sciences1 for we were not going to count them1 but we wanted to know the nature of knowledge in the abstract4 ,am ,i not right8 ,,theaetetus3 ,perfectly right4 ,,socrates3 ,let me offer an illustration3 ,suppose that a person were to ask about some very trivial and obvious thing--for example1 ,what is clay8 and we were to reply1 that there is a clay of potters1 there is a clay of oven-makers1 there is a clay of brick-makers2 would not the answer be ridiculous8 ,,theaetetus3 ,truly4 ,,socrates3 ,in the first place1 there would be an absurdity in assuming that he who asked the question would understand from our answer the nature of 'clay1' merely because we added 'of the image-makers1' or of any other workers4 ,how can a man understand the name of anything1 when he does not know the nature of it8 ,,theaetetus3 ,he cannot4 ,,socrates3 ,then he who does not know what science or knowledge is1 has no knowledge of the art or science of making shoes8 ,,theaetetus3 ,none4 ,,socrates3 ,nor of any other science8 ,,theaetetus3 ,no4 ,,socrates3 ,and when a man is asked what science or knowledge is1 to give in answer the name of some art or science is ridiculous2 for the question is1 ',what is knowledge8' and he replies1 ',a knowledge of this or that4' ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,moreover1 he might answer shortly and simply1 but he makes an enormous circuit4 ,for example1 when asked about the clay1 he might have said simply1 that clay is moistened earth--what sort of clay is not to the point4 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes1 ,socrates1 there is no difficulty as you put the question4 ,you mean1 if ,i am not mistaken1 something like what occurred to me and to my friend here1 your namesake ,socrates1 in a recent discussion4 ,,socrates3 ,what was that1 ,theaetetus8 ,,theaetetus3 ,theodorus was writing out for us something about roots1 such as the roots of three or five1 showing that they are incommensurable by the unit3 he selected other examples up to seventeen--there he stopped4 ,now as there are innumerable roots1 the notion occurred to us of attempting to include them all under one name or class4 ,,socrates3 ,and did you find such a class8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i think that we did2 but ,i should like to have your opinion4 ,,socrates3 ,let me hear4 ,,theaetetus3 ,we divided all numbers into two classes3 those which are made up of equal factors multiplying into one another1 which we compared to square figures and called square or equilateral numbers2--that was one class4 ,,socrates3 ,very good4 ,,theaetetus3 ,the intermediate numbers1 such as three and five1 and every other number which is made up of unequal factors1 either of a greater multiplied by a less1 or of a less multiplied by a greater1 and when regarded as a figure1 is contained in unequal sides2--all these we compared to oblong figures1 and called them oblong numbers4 ,,socrates3 ,capital2 and what followed8 ,,theaetetus3 ,the lines1 or sides1 which have for their squares the equilateral plane numbers1 were called by us lengths or magnitudes2 and the lines which are the roots of 7or whose squares are equal to7 the oblong numbers1 were called powers or roots2 the reason of this latter name being1 that they are commensurable with the former i4e41 with the so-called lengths or magnitudes not in linear measurement1 but in the value of the superficial content of their squares2 and the same about solids4 ,,socrates3 ,excellent1 my boys2 ,i think that you fully justify the praises of ,theodorus1 and that he will not be found guilty of false witness4 ,,theaetetus3 ,but ,i am unable1 ,socrates1 to give you a similar answer about knowledge1 which is what you appear to want2 and therefore ,theodorus is a deceiver after all4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 but if some one were to praise you for running1 and to say that he never met your equal among boys1 and afterwards you were beaten in a race by a grown-up man1 who was a great runner--would the praise be any the less true8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly not4 ,,socrates3 ,and is the discovery of the nature of knowledge so small a matter1 as just now said8 ,is it not one which would task the powers of men perfect in every way8 ,,theaetetus3 ,by heaven1 they should be the top of all perfection6 ,,socrates3 ,well1 then1 be of good cheer2 do not say that ,theodorus was mistaken about you1 but do your best to ascertain the true nature of knowledge1 as well as of other things4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i am eager enough1 ,socrates1 if that would bring to light the truth4 ,,socrates3 ,come1 you made a good beginning just now2 let your own answer about roots be your model1 and as you comprehended them all in one class1 try and bring the many sorts of knowledge under one definition4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i can assure you1 ,socrates1 that ,i have tried very often1 when the report of questions asked by you was brought to me2 but ,i can neither persuade myself that ,i have a satisfactory answer to give1 nor hear of any one who answers as you would have him2 and ,i cannot shake off a feeling of anxiety4 ,,socrates3 ,these are the pangs of labour1 my dear ,theaetetus2 you have something within you which you are bringing to the birth4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i do not know1 ,socrates2 ,i only say what ,i feel4 ,,socrates3 ,and have you never heard1 simpleton1 that ,i am the son of a midwife1 brave and burly1 whose name was ,phaenarete8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes1 ,i have4 ,,socrates3 ,and that ,i myself practise midwifery8 ,,theaetetus3 ,no1 never4 ,,socrates3 ,let me tell you that ,i do though1 my friend3 but you must not reveal the secret1 as the world in general have not found me out2 and therefore they only say of me1 that ,i am the strangest of mortals and drive men to their wits' end4 ,did you ever hear that too8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,shall ,i tell you the reason8 ,,theaetetus3 ,by all means4 ,,socrates3 ,bear in mind the whole business of the midwives1 and then you will see my meaning better3--,no woman1 as you are probably aware1 who is still able to conceive and bear1 attends other women1 but only those who are past bearing4 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes1 ,i know4 ,,socrates3 ,the reason of this is said to be that ,artemis--the goddess of childbirth--is not a mother1 and she honours those who are like herself2 but she could not allow the barren to be midwives1 because human nature cannot know the mystery of an art without experience2 and therefore she assigned this office to those who are too old to bear4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i dare say4 ,,socrates3 ,and ,i dare say too1 or rather ,i am absolutely certain1 that the midwives know better than others who is pregnant and who is not8 ,,theaetetus3 ,very true4 ,,socrates3 ,and by the use of potions and incantations they are able to arouse the pangs and to soothe them at will2 they can make those bear who have a difficulty in bearing1 and if they think fit they can smother the embryo in the womb4 ,,theaetetus3 ,they can4 ,,socrates3 ,did you ever remark that they are also most cunning matchmakers1 and have a thorough knowledge of what unions are likely to produce a brave brood8 ,,theaetetus3 ,no1 never4 ,,socrates3 ,then let me tell you that this is their greatest pride1 more than cutting the umbilical cord4 ,and if you reflect1 you will see that the same art which cultivates and gathers in the fruits of the earth1 will be most likely to know in what soils the several plants or seeds should be deposited4 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes1 the same art4 ,,socrates3 ,and do you suppose that with women the case is otherwise8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i should think not4 ,,socrates3 ,certainly not2 but midwives are respectable women who have a character to lose1 and they avoid this department of their profession1 because they are afraid of being called procuresses1 which is a name given to those who join together man and woman in an unlawful and unscientific way2 and yet the true midwife is also the true and only matchmaker4 ,,theaetetus3 ,clearly4 ,,socrates3 ,such are the midwives1 whose task is a very important one1 but not so important as mine2 for women do not bring into the world at one time real children1 and at another time counterfeits which are with difficulty distinguished from them2 if they did1 then the discernment of the true and false birth would be the crowning achievement of the art of midwifery--you would think so8 ,,theaetetus3 ,indeed ,i should4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 my art of midwifery is in most respects like theirs2 but differs1 in that ,i attend men and not women2 and look after their souls when they are in labour1 and not after their bodies3 and the triumph of my art is in thoroughly examining whether the thought which the mind of the young man brings forth is a false idol or a noble and true birth4 ,and like the midwives1 ,i am barren1 and the reproach which is often made against me1 that ,i ask questions of others and have not the wit to answer them myself1 is very just--the reason is1 that the god compels me to be a midwife1 but does not allow me to bring forth4 ,and therefore ,i am not myself at all wise1 nor have ,i anything to show which is the invention or birth of my own soul1 but those who converse with me profit4 ,some of them appear dull enough at first1 but afterwards1 as our acquaintance ripens1 if the god is gracious to them1 they all make astonishing progress2 and this in the opinion of others as well as in their own4 ,it is quite clear that they never learned anything from me2 the many fine discoveries to which they cling are of their own making4 ,but to me and the god they owe their delivery4 ,and the proof of my words is1 that many of them in their ignorance1 either in their self-conceit despising me1 or falling under the influence of others1 have gone away too soon2 and have not only lost the children of whom ,i had previously delivered them by an ill bringing up1 but have stifled whatever else they had in them by evil communications1 being fonder of lies and shams than of the truth2 and they have at last ended by seeing themselves1 as others see them1 to be great fools4 ,aristeides1 the son of ,lysimachus1 is one of them1 and there are many others4 ,the truants often return to me1 and beg that ,i would consort with them again--they are ready to go to me on their knees--and then1 if my familiar allows1 which is not always the case1 ,i receive them1 and they begin to grow again4 ,dire are the pangs which my art is able to arouse and to allay in those who consort with me1 just like the pangs of women in childbirth2 night and day they are full of perplexity and travail which is even worse than that of the women4 ,so much for them4 ,and there are others1 ,theaetetus1 who come to me apparently having nothing in them2 and as ,i know that they have no need of my art1 ,i coax them into marrying some one1 and by the grace of ,god ,i can generally tell who is likely to do them good4 ,many of them ,i have given away to ,prodicus1 and many to other inspired sages4 ,i tell you this long story1 friend ,theaetetus1 because ,i suspect1 as indeed you seem to think yourself1 that you are in labour--great with some conception4 ,come then to me1 who am a midwife's son and myself a midwife1 and do your best to answer the questions which ,i will ask you4 ,and if ,i abstract and expose your first-born1 because ,i discover upon inspection that the conception which you have formed is a vain shadow1 do not quarrel with me on that account1 as the manner of women is when their first children are taken from them4 ,for ,i have actually known some who were ready to bite me when ,i deprived them of a darling folly2 they did not perceive that ,i acted from goodwill1 not knowing that no god is the enemy of man--that was not within the range of their ideas2 neither am ,i their enemy in all this1 but it would be wrong for me to admit falsehood1 or to stifle the truth4 ,once more1 then1 ,theaetetus1 ,i repeat my old question1 ',what is knowledge8'--and do not say that you cannot tell2 but quit yourself like a man1 and by the help of ,god you will be able to tell4 ,,theaetetus3 ,at any rate1 ,socrates1 after such an exhortation ,i should be ashamed of not trying to do my best4 ,now he who knows perceives what he knows1 and1 as far as ,i can see at present1 knowledge is perception4 ,,socrates3 ,bravely said1 boy2 that is the way in which you should express your opinion4 ,and now1 let us examine together this conception of yours1 and see whether it is a true birth or a mere wind-egg3--,you say that knowledge is perception8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 you have delivered yourself of a very important doctrine about knowledge2 it is indeed the opinion of ,protagoras1 who has another way of expressing it4 ,man1 he says1 is the measure of all things1 of the existence of things that are1 and of the non-existence of things that are not3--,you have read him8 ,,theaetetus3 ,o yes1 again and again4 ,,socrates3 ,does he not say that things are to you such as they appear to you1 and to me such as they appear to me1 and that you and ,i are men8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes1 he says so4 ,,socrates3 ,a wise man is not likely to talk nonsense4 ,let us try to understand him3 the same wind is blowing1 and yet one of us may be cold and the other not1 or one may be slightly and the other very cold8 ,,theaetetus3 ,quite true4 ,,socrates3 ,now is the wind1 regarded not in relation to us but absolutely1 cold or not2 or are we to say1 with ,protagoras1 that the wind is cold to him who is cold1 and not to him who is not8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i suppose the last4 ,,socrates3 ,then it must appear so to each of them8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and 'appears to him' means the same as 'he perceives4' ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,then appearing and perceiving coincide in the case of hot and cold1 and in similar instances2 for things appear1 or may be supposed to be1 to each one such as he perceives them8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,then perception is always of existence1 and being the same as knowledge is unerring8 ,,theaetetus3 ,clearly4 ,,socrates3 ,in the name of the ,graces1 what an almighty wise man ,protagoras must have been6 ,he spoke these things in a parable to the common herd1 like you and me1 but told the truth1 'his ,truth1' 7,in allusion to a book of ,protagoras' which bore this title47 in secret to his own disciples4 ,,theaetetus3 ,what do you mean1 ,socrates8 ,,socrates3 ,i am about to speak of a high argument1 in which all things are said to be relative2 you cannot rightly call anything by any name1 such as great or small1 heavy or light1 for the great will be small and the heavy light--there is no single thing or quality1 but out of motion and change and admixture all things are becoming relatively to one another1 which 'becoming' is by us incorrectly called being1 but is really becoming1 for nothing ever is1 but all things are becoming4 ,summon all philosophers--,protagoras1 ,heracleitus1 ,empedocles1 and the rest of them1 one after another1 and with the exception of ,parmenides they will agree with you in this4 ,summon the great masters of either kind of poetry--,epicharmus1 the prince of ,comedy1 and ,homer of ,tragedy2 when the latter sings of ',ocean whence sprang the gods1 and mother ,tethys1' does he not mean that all things are the offspring1 of flux and motion8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i think so4 ,,socrates3 ,and who could take up arms against such a great army having ,homer for its general1 and not appear ridiculous8 7,compare ,cratylus47 ,,theaetetus3 ,who indeed1 ,socrates8 ,,socrates3 ,yes1 ,theaetetus2 and there are plenty of other proofs which will show that motion is the source of what is called being and becoming1 and inactivity of not-being and destruction2 for fire and warmth1 which are supposed to be the parent and guardian of all other things1 are born of movement and of friction1 which is a kind of motion2--is not this the origin of fire8 ,,theaetetus3 ,it is4 ,,socrates3 ,and the race of animals is generated in the same way8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,and is not the bodily habit spoiled by rest and idleness1 but preserved for a long time by motion and exercise8 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,and what of the mental habit8 ,is not the soul informed1 and improved1 and preserved by study and attention1 which are motions2 but when at rest1 which in the soul only means want of attention and study1 is uninformed1 and speedily forgets whatever she has learned8 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,then motion is a good1 and rest an evil1 to the soul as well as to the body8 ,,theaetetus3 ,clearly4 ,,socrates3 ,i may add1 that breathless calm1 stillness and the like waste and impair1 while wind and storm preserve2 and the palmary argument of all1 which ,i strongly urge1 is the golden chain in ,homer1 by which he means the sun1 thereby indicating that so long as the sun and the heavens go round in their orbits1 all things human and divine are and are preserved1 but if they were chained up and their motions ceased1 then all things would be destroyed1 and1 as the saying is1 turned upside down4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i believe1 ,socrates1 that you have truly explained his meaning4 ,,socrates3 ,then now apply his doctrine to perception1 my good friend1 and first of all to vision2 that which you call white colour is not in your eyes1 and is not a distinct thing which exists out of them4 ,and you must not assign any place to it3 for if it had position it would be1 and be at rest1 and there would be no process of becoming4 ,,theaetetus3 ,then what is colour8 ,,socrates3 ,let us carry the principle which has just been affirmed1 that nothing is self-existent1 and then we shall see that white1 black1 and every other colour1 arises out of the eye meeting the appropriate motion1 and that what we call a colour is in each case neither the active nor the passive element1 but something which passes between them1 and is peculiar to each percipient2 are you quite certain that the several colours appear to a dog or to any animal whatever as they appear to you8 ,,theaetetus3 ,far from it4 ,,socrates3 ,or that anything appears the same to you as to another man8 ,are you so profoundly convinced of this8 ,rather would it not be true that it never appears exactly the same to you1 because you are never exactly the same8 ,,theaetetus3 ,the latter4 ,,socrates3 ,and if that with which ,i compare myself in size1 or which ,i apprehend by touch1 were great or white or hot1 it could not become different by mere contact with another unless it actually changed2 nor again1 if the comparing or apprehending subject were great or white or hot1 could this1 when unchanged from within1 become changed by any approximation or affection of any other thing4 ,the fact is that in our ordinary way of speaking we allow ourselves to be driven into most ridiculous and wonderful contradictions1 as ,protagoras and all who take his line of argument would remark4 ,,theaetetus3 ,how8 and of what sort do you mean8 ,,socrates3 ,a little instance will sufficiently explain my meaning3 ,here are six dice1 which are more by a half when compared with four1 and fewer by a half than twelve--they are more and also fewer4 ,how can you or any one maintain the contrary8 ,,theaetetus3 ,very true4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 then1 suppose that ,protagoras or some one asks whether anything can become greater or more if not by increasing1 how would you answer him1 ,theaetetus8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i should say ',no1' ,socrates1 if ,i were to speak my mind in reference to this last question1 and if ,i were not afraid of contradicting my former answer4 ,,socrates3 ,capital6 excellent6 spoken like an oracle1 my boy6 ,and if you reply ',yes1' there will be a case for ,euripides2 for our tongue will be unconvinced1 but not our mind4 7,in allusion to the well-known line of ,euripides1 ,hippol43 e gloss omomoch e de thren anomotos47 ,,theaetetus3 ,very true4 ,,socrates3 ,the thoroughbred ,sophists1 who know all that can be known about the mind1 and argue only out of the superfluity of their wits1 would have had a regular sparring-match over this1 and would have knocked their arguments together finely4 ,but you and ,i1 who have no professional aims1 only desire to see what is the mutual relation of these principles1--whether they are consistent with each or not4 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes1 that would be my desire4 ,,socrates3 ,and mine too4 ,but since this is our feeling1 and there is plenty of time1 why should we not calmly and patiently review our own thoughts1 and thoroughly examine and see what these appearances in us really are8 ,if ,i am not mistaken1 they will be described by us as follows3--first1 that nothing can become greater or less1 either in number or magnitude1 while remaining equal to itself--you would agree8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,secondly1 that without addition or subtraction there is no increase or diminution of anything1 but only equality4 ,,theaetetus3 ,quite true4 ,,socrates3 ,thirdly1 that what was not before cannot be afterwards1 without becoming and having become4 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes1 truly4 ,,socrates3 ,these three axioms1 if ,i am not mistaken1 are fighting with one another in our minds in the case of the dice1 or1 again1 in such a case as this--if ,i were to say that ,i1 who am of a certain height and taller than you1 may within a year1 without gaining or losing in height1 be not so tall--not that ,i should have lost1 but that you would have increased4 ,in such a case1 ,i am afterwards what ,i once was not1 and yet ,i have not become2 for ,i could not have become without becoming1 neither could ,i have become less without losing somewhat of my height2 and ,i could give you ten thousand examples of similar contradictions1 if we admit them at all4 ,i believe that you follow me1 ,theaetetus2 for ,i suspect that you have thought of these questions before now4 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes1 ,socrates1 and ,i am amazed when ,i think of them2 by the ,gods ,i am6 and ,i want to know what on earth they mean2 and there are times when my head quite swims with the contemplation of them4 ,,socrates3 ,i see1 my dear ,theaetetus1 that ,theodorus had a true insight into your nature when he said that you were a philosopher1 for wonder is the feeling of a philosopher1 and philosophy begins in wonder4 ,he was not a bad genealogist who said that ,iris 7the messenger of heaven7 is the child of ,thaumas 7wonder74 ,but do you begin to see what is the explanation of this perplexity on the hypothesis which we attribute to ,protagoras8 ,,theaetetus3 ,not as yet4 ,,socrates3 ,then you will be obliged to me if ,i help you to unearth the hidden 'truth' of a famous man or school4 ,,theaetetus3 ,to be sure1 ,i shall be very much obliged4 ,,socrates3 ,take a look round1 then1 and see that none of the uninitiated are listening4 ,now by the uninitiated ,i mean the people who believe in nothing but what they can grasp in their hands1 and who will not allow that action or generation or anything invisible can have real existence4 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes1 indeed1 ,socrates1 they are very hard and impenetrable mortals4 ,,socrates3 ,yes1 my boy1 outer barbarians4 ,far more ingenious are the brethren whose mysteries ,i am about to reveal to you4 ,their first principle is1 that all is motion1 and upon this all the affections of which we were just now speaking are supposed to depend3 there is nothing but motion1 which has two forms1 one active and the other passive1 both in endless number2 and out of the union and friction of them there is generated a progeny endless in number1 having two forms1 sense and the object of sense1 which are ever breaking forth and coming to the birth at the same moment4 ,the senses are variously named hearing1 seeing1 smelling2 there is the sense of heat1 cold1 pleasure1 pain1 desire1 fear1 and many more which have names1 as well as innumerable others which are without them2 each has its kindred object1--each variety of colour has a corresponding variety of sight1 and so with sound and hearing1 and with the rest of the senses and the objects akin to them4 ,do you see1 ,theaetetus1 the bearings of this tale on the preceding argument8 ,,theaetetus3 ,indeed ,i do not4 ,,socrates3 ,then attend1 and ,i will try to finish the story4 ,the purport is that all these things are in motion1 as ,i was saying1 and that this motion is of two kinds1 a slower and a quicker2 and the slower elements have their motions in the same place and with reference to things near them1 and so they beget2 but what is begotten is swifter1 for it is carried to fro1 and moves from place to place4 ,apply this to sense3--,when the eye and the appropriate object meet together and give birth to whiteness and the sensation connatural with it1 which could not have been given by either of them going elsewhere1 then1 while the sight is flowing from the eye1 whiteness proceeds from the object which combines in producing the colour2 and so the eye is fulfilled with sight1 and really sees1 and becomes1 not sight1 but a seeing eye2 and the object which combined to form the colour is fulfilled with whiteness1 and becomes not whiteness but a white thing1 whether wood or stone or whatever the object may be which happens to be coloured white4 ,and this is true of all sensible objects1 hard1 warm1 and the like1 which are similarly to be regarded1 as ,i was saying before1 not as having any absolute existence1 but as being all of them of whatever kind generated by motion in their intercourse with one another2 for of the agent and patient1 as existing in separation1 no trustworthy conception1 as they say1 can be formed1 for the agent has no existence until united with the patient1 and the patient has no existence until united with the agent2 and that which by uniting with something becomes an agent1 by meeting with some other thing is converted into a patient4 ,and from all these considerations1 as ,i said at first1 there arises a general reflection1 that there is no one self-existent thing1 but everything is becoming and in relation2 and being must be altogether abolished1 although from habit and ignorance we are compelled even in this discussion to retain the use of the term4 ,but great philosophers tell us that we are not to allow either the word 'something1' or 'belonging to something1' or 'to me1' or 'this1' or 'that1' or any other detaining name to be used1 in the language of nature all things are being created and destroyed1 coming into being and passing into new forms2 nor can any name fix or detain them2 he who attempts to fix them is easily refuted4 ,and this should be the way of speaking1 not only of particulars but of aggregates2 such aggregates as are expressed in the word 'man1' or 'stone1' or any name of an animal or of a class4 ,o ,theaetetus1 are not these speculations sweet as honey8 ,and do you not like the taste of them in the mouth8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i do not know what to say1 ,socrates2 for1 indeed1 ,i cannot make out whether you are giving your own opinion or only wanting to draw me out4 ,,socrates3 ,you forget1 my friend1 that ,i neither know1 nor profess to know1 anything of these matters2 you are the person who is in labour1 ,i am the barren midwife2 and this is why ,i soothe you1 and offer you one good thing after another1 that you may taste them4 ,and ,i hope that ,i may at last help to bring your own opinion into the light of day3 when this has been accomplished1 then we will determine whether what you have brought forth is only a wind-egg or a real and genuine birth4 ,therefore1 keep up your spirits1 and answer like a man what you think4 ,,theaetetus3 ,ask me4 ,,socrates3 ,then once more3 ,is it your opinion that nothing is but what becomes8--the good and the noble1 as well as all the other things which we were just now mentioning8 ,,theaetetus3 ,when ,i hear you discoursing in this style1 ,i think that there is a great deal in what you say1 and ,i am very ready to assent4 ,,socrates3 ,let us not leave the argument unfinished1 then2 for there still remains to be considered an objection which may be raised about dreams and diseases1 in particular about madness1 and the various illusions of hearing and sight1 or of other senses4 ,for you know that in all these cases the esse-percipi theory appears to be unmistakably refuted1 since in dreams and illusions we certainly have false perceptions2 and far from saying that everything is which appears1 we should rather say that nothing is which appears4 ,,theaetetus3 ,very true1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,but then1 my boy1 how can any one contend that knowledge is perception1 or that to every man what appears is8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i am afraid to say1 ,socrates1 that ,i have nothing to answer1 because you rebuked me just now for making this excuse2 but ,i certainly cannot undertake to argue that madmen or dreamers think truly1 when they imagine1 some of them that they are gods1 and others that they can fly1 and are flying in their sleep4 ,,socrates3 ,do you see another question which can be raised about these phenomena1 notably about dreaming and waking8 ,,theaetetus3 ,what question8 ,,socrates3 ,a question which ,i think that you must often have heard persons ask3--,how can you determine whether at this moment we are sleeping1 and all our thoughts are a dream2 or whether we are awake1 and talking to one another in the waking state8 ,,theaetetus3 ,indeed1 ,socrates1 ,i do not know how to prove the one any more than the other1 for in both cases the facts precisely correspond2--and there is no difficulty in supposing that during all this discussion we have been talking to one another in a dream2 and when in a dream we seem to be narrating dreams1 the resemblance of the two states is quite astonishing4 ,,socrates3 ,you see1 then1 that a doubt about the reality of sense is easily raised1 since there may even be a doubt whether we are awake or in a dream4 ,and as our time is equally divided between sleeping and waking1 in either sphere of existence the soul contends that the thoughts which are present to our minds at the time are true2 and during one half of our lives we affirm the truth of the one1 and1 during the other half1 of the other2 and are equally confident of both4 ,,theaetetus3 ,most true4 ,,socrates3 ,and may not the same be said of madness and other disorders8 the difference is only that the times are not equal4 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,and is truth or falsehood to be determined by duration of time8 ,,theaetetus3 ,that would be in many ways ridiculous4 ,,socrates3 ,but can you certainly determine by any other means which of these opinions is true8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i do not think that ,i can4 ,,socrates3 ,listen1 then1 to a statement of the other side of the argument1 which is made by the champions of appearance4 ,they would say1 as ,i imagine--,can that which is wholly other than something1 have the same quality as that from which it differs8 and observe1 ,theaetetus1 that the word 'other' means not 'partially1' but 'wholly other4' ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly1 putting the question as you do1 that which is wholly other cannot either potentially or in any other way be the same4 ,,socrates3 ,and must therefore be admitted to be unlike8 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,if1 then1 anything happens to become like or unlike itself or another1 when it becomes like we call it the same--when unlike1 other8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,were we not saying that there are agents many and infinite1 and patients many and infinite8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and also that different combinations will produce results which are not the same1 but different8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,let us take you and me1 or anything as an example3--,there is ,socrates in health1 and ,socrates sick--,are they like or unlike8 ,,theaetetus3 ,you mean to compare ,socrates in health as a whole1 and ,socrates in sickness as a whole8 ,,socrates3 ,exactly2 that is my meaning4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i answer1 they are unlike4 ,,socrates3 ,and if unlike1 they are other8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,and would you not say the same of ,socrates sleeping and waking1 or in any of the states which we were mentioning8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i should4 ,,socrates3 ,all agents have a different patient in ,socrates1 accordingly as he is well or ill4 ,,theaetetus3 ,of course4 ,,socrates3 ,and ,i who am the patient1 and that which is the agent1 will produce something different in each of the two cases8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,the wine which ,i drink when ,i am in health1 appears sweet and pleasant to me8 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,for1 as has been already acknowledged1 the patient and agent meet together and produce sweetness and a perception of sweetness1 which are in simultaneous motion1 and the perception which comes from the patient makes the tongue percipient1 and the quality of sweetness which arises out of and is moving about the wine1 makes the wine both to be and to appear sweet to the healthy tongue4 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly2 that has been already acknowledged4 ,,socrates3 ,but when ,i am sick1 the wine really acts upon another and a different person8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,the combination of the draught of wine1 and the ,socrates who is sick1 produces quite another result2 which is the sensation of bitterness in the tongue1 and the motion and creation of bitterness in and about the wine1 which becomes not bitterness but something bitter2 as ,i myself become not perception but percipient8 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,there is no other object of which ,i shall ever have the same perception1 for another object would give another perception1 and would make the percipient other and different2 nor can that object which affects me1 meeting another subject1 produce the same1 or become similar1 for that too would produce another result from another subject1 and become different4 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,neither can ,i by myself1 have this sensation1 nor the object by itself1 this quality4 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly not4 ,,socrates3 ,when ,i perceive ,i must become percipient of something--there can be no such thing as perceiving and perceiving nothing2 the object1 whether it become sweet1 bitter1 or of any other quality1 must have relation to a percipient2 nothing can become sweet which is sweet to no one4 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly not4 ,,socrates3 ,then the inference is1 that we 7the agent and patient7 are or become in relation to one another2 there is a law which binds us one to the other1 but not to any other existence1 nor each of us to himself2 and therefore we can only be bound to one another2 so that whether a person says that a thing is or becomes1 he must say that it is or becomes to or of or in relation to something else2 but he must not say or allow any one else to say that anything is or becomes absolutely3--such is our conclusion4 ,,theaetetus3 ,very true1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,then1 if that which acts upon me has relation to me and to no other1 ,i and no other am the percipient of it8 ,,theaetetus3 ,of course4 ,,socrates3 ,then my perception is true to me1 being inseparable from my own being2 and1 as ,protagoras says1 to myself ,i am judge of what is and what is not to me4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i suppose so4 ,,socrates3 ,how then1 if ,i never err1 and if my mind never trips in the conception of being or becoming1 can ,i fail of knowing that which ,i perceive8 ,,theaetetus3 ,you cannot4 ,,socrates3 ,then you were quite right in affirming that knowledge is only perception2 and the meaning turns out to be the same1 whether with ,homer and ,heracleitus1 and all that company1 you say that all is motion and flux1 or with the great sage ,protagoras1 that man is the measure of all things2 or with ,theaetetus1 that1 given these premises1 perception is knowledge4 ,am ,i not right1 ,theaetetus1 and is not this your new-born child1 of which ,i have delivered you8 ,what say you8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i cannot but agree1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,then this is the child1 however he may turn out1 which you and ,i have with difficulty brought into the world4 ,and now that he is born1 we must run round the hearth with him1 and see whether he is worth rearing1 or is only a wind-egg and a sham4 ,is he to be reared in any case1 and not exposed8 or will you bear to see him rejected1 and not get into a passion if ,i take away your first-born8 ,,theodorus3 ,theaetetus will not be angry1 for he is very good-natured4 ,but tell me1 ,socrates1 in heaven's name1 is this1 after all1 not the truth8 ,,socrates3 ,you1 ,theodorus1 are a lover of theories1 and now you innocently fancy that ,i am a bag full of them1 and can easily pull one out which will overthrow its predecessor4 ,but you do not see that in reality none of these theories come from me2 they all come from him who talks with me4 ,i only know just enough to extract them from the wisdom of another1 and to receive them in a spirit of fairness4 ,and now ,i shall say nothing myself1 but shall endeavour to elicit something from our young friend4 ,,theodorus3 ,do as you say1 ,socrates2 you are quite right4 ,,socrates3 ,shall ,i tell you1 ,theodorus1 what amazes me in your acquaintance ,protagoras8 ,,theodorus3 ,what is it8 ,,socrates3 ,i am charmed with his doctrine1 that what appears is to each one1 but ,i wonder that he did not begin his book on ,truth with a declaration that a pig or a dog-faced baboon1 or some other yet stranger monster which has sensation1 is the measure of all things2 then he might have shown a magnificent contempt for our opinion of him by informing us at the outset that while we were reverencing him like a ,god for his wisdom he was no better than a tadpole1 not to speak of his fellow-men--would not this have produced an overpowering effect8 ,for if truth is only sensation1 and no man can discern another's feelings better than he1 or has any superior right to determine whether his opinion is true or false1 but each1 as we have several times repeated1 is to himself the sole judge1 and everything that he judges is true and right1 why1 my friend1 should ,protagoras be preferred to the place of wisdom and instruction1 and deserve to be well paid1 and we poor ignoramuses have to go to him1 if each one is the measure of his own wisdom8 ,must he not be talking 'ad captandum' in all this8 ,i say nothing of the ridiculous predicament in which my own midwifery and the whole art of dialectic is placed2 for the attempt to supervise or refute the notions or opinions of others would be a tedious and enormous piece of folly1 if to each man his own are right2 and this must be the case if ,protagoras' ,truth is the real truth1 and the philosopher is not merely amusing himself by giving oracles out of the shrine of his book4 ,,theodorus3 ,he was a friend of mine1 ,socrates1 as you were saying1 and therefore ,i cannot have him refuted by my lips1 nor can ,i oppose you when ,i agree with you2 please1 then1 to take ,theaetetus again2 he seemed to answer very nicely4 ,,socrates3 ,if you were to go into a ,lacedaemonian palestra1 ,theodorus1 would you have a right to look on at the naked wrestlers1 some of them making a poor figure1 if you did not strip and give them an opportunity of judging of your own person8 ,,theodorus3 ,why not1 ,socrates1 if they would allow me1 as ,i think you will1 in consideration of my age and stiffness2 let some more supple youth try a fall with you1 and do not drag me into the gymnasium4 ,,socrates3 ,your will is my will1 ,theodorus1 as the proverbial philosophers say1 and therefore ,i will return to the sage ,theaetetus3 ,tell me1 ,theaetetus1 in reference to what ,i was saying1 are you not lost in wonder1 like myself1 when you find that all of a sudden you are raised to the level of the wisest of men1 or indeed of the gods8--for you would assume the measure of ,protagoras to apply to the gods as well as men8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly ,i should1 and ,i confess to you that ,i am lost in wonder4 ,at first hearing1 ,i was quite satisfied with the doctrine1 that whatever appears is to each one1 but now the face of things has changed4 ,,socrates3 ,why1 my dear boy1 you are young1 and therefore your ear is quickly caught and your mind influenced by popular arguments4 ,protagoras1 or some one speaking on his behalf1 will doubtless say in reply1--,good people1 young and old1 you meet and harangue1 and bring in the gods1 whose existence or non-existence ,i banish from writing and speech1 or you talk about the reason of man being degraded to the level of the brutes1 which is a telling argument with the multitude1 but not one word of proof or demonstration do you offer4 ,all is probability with you1 and yet surely you and ,theodorus had better reflect whether you are disposed to admit of probability and figures of speech in matters of such importance4 ,he or any other mathematician who argued from probabilities and likelihoods in geometry1 would not be worth an ace4 ,,theaetetus3 ,but neither you nor we1 ,socrates1 would be satisfied with such arguments4 ,,socrates3 ,then you and ,theodorus mean to say that we must look at the matter in some other way8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes1 in quite another way4 ,,socrates3 ,and the way will be to ask whether perception is or is not the same as knowledge2 for this was the real point of our argument1 and with a view to this we raised 7did we not87 those many strange questions4 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,shall we say that we know every thing which we see and hear8 for example1 shall we say that not having learned1 we do not hear the language of foreigners when they speak to us8 or shall we say that we not only hear1 but know what they are saying8 ,or again1 if we see letters which we do not understand1 shall we say that we do not see them8 or shall we aver that1 seeing them1 we must know them8 ,,theaetetus3 ,we shall say1 ,socrates1 that we know what we actually see and hear of them--that is to say1 we see and know the figure and colour of the letters1 and we hear and know the elevation or depression of the sound of them2 but we do not perceive by sight and hearing1 or know1 that which grammarians and interpreters teach about them4 ,,socrates3 ,capital1 ,theaetetus2 and about this there shall be no dispute1 because ,i want you to grow2 but there is another difficulty coming1 which you will also have to repulse4 ,,theaetetus3 ,what is it8 ,,socrates3 ,some one will say1 ,can a man who has ever known anything1 and still has and preserves a memory of that which he knows1 not know that which he remembers at the time when he remembers8 ,i have1 ,i fear1 a tedious way of putting a simple question1 which is only1 whether a man who has learned1 and remembers1 can fail to know8 ,,theaetetus3 ,impossible1 ,socrates2 the supposition is monstrous4 ,,socrates3 ,am ,i talking nonsense1 then8 ,think3 is not seeing perceiving1 and is not sight perception8 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,and if our recent definition holds1 every man knows that which he has seen8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and you would admit that there is such a thing as memory8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and is memory of something or of nothing8 ,,theaetetus3 ,of something1 surely4 ,,socrates3 ,of things learned and perceived1 that is8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,often a man remembers that which he has seen8 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,and if he closed his eyes1 would he forget8 ,,theaetetus3 ,who1 ,socrates1 would dare to say so8 ,,socrates3 ,but we must say so1 if the previous argument is to be maintained4 ,,theaetetus3 ,what do you mean8 ,i am not quite sure that ,i understand you1 though ,i have a strong suspicion that you are right4 ,,socrates3 ,as thus3 he who sees knows1 as we say1 that which he sees2 for perception and sight and knowledge are admitted to be the same4 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,but he who saw1 and has knowledge of that which he saw1 remembers1 when he closes his eyes1 that which he no longer sees4 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,and seeing is knowing1 and therefore not-seeing is not-knowing8 ,,theaetetus3 ,very true4 ,,socrates3 ,then the inference is1 that a man may have attained the knowledge of something1 which he may remember and yet not know1 because he does not see2 and this has been affirmed by us to be a monstrous supposition4 ,,theaetetus3 ,most true4 ,,socrates3 ,thus1 then1 the assertion that knowledge and perception are one1 involves a manifest impossibility8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,then they must be distinguished8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i suppose that they must4 ,,socrates3 ,once more we shall have to begin1 and ask ',what is knowledge8' and yet1 ,theaetetus1 what are we going to do8 ,,theaetetus3 ,about what8 ,,socrates3 ,like a good-for-nothing cock1 without having won the victory1 we walk away from the argument and crow4 ,,theaetetus3 ,how do you mean8 ,,socrates3 ,after the manner of disputers 7,lys42 ,phaedo2 ,republic71 we were satisfied with mere verbal consistency1 and were well pleased if in this way we could gain an advantage4 ,although professing not to be mere ,eristics1 but philosophers1 ,i suspect that we have unconsciously fallen into the error of that ingenious class of persons4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i do not as yet understand you4 ,,socrates3 ,then ,i will try to explain myself3 just now we asked the question1 whether a man who had learned and remembered could fail to know1 and we showed that a person who had seen might remember when he had his eyes shut and could not see1 and then he would at the same time remember and not know4 ,but this was an impossibility4 ,and so the ,protagorean fable came to nought1 and yours also1 who maintained that knowledge is the same as perception4 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,and yet1 my friend1 ,i rather suspect that the result would have been different if ,protagoras1 who was the father of the first of the two brats1 had been alive2 he would have had a great deal to say on their behalf4 ,but he is dead1 and we insult over his orphan child2 and even the guardians whom he left1 and of whom our friend ,theodorus is one1 are unwilling to give any help1 and therefore ,i suppose that ,i must take up his cause myself1 and see justice done8 ,,theodorus3 ,not ,i1 ,socrates1 but rather ,callias1 the son of ,hipponicus1 is guardian of his orphans4 ,i was too soon diverted from the abstractions of dialectic to geometry4 ,nevertheless1 ,i shall be grateful to you if you assist him4 ,,socrates3 ,very good1 ,theodorus2 you shall see how ,i will come to the rescue4 ,if a person does not attend to the meaning of terms as they are commonly used in argument1 he may be involved even in greater paradoxes than these4 ,shall ,i explain this matter to you or to ,theaetetus8 ,,theodorus3 ,to both of us1 and let the younger answer2 he will incur less disgrace if he is discomfited4 ,,socrates3 ,then now let me ask the awful question1 which is this3--,can a man know and also not know that which he knows8 ,,theodorus3 ,how shall we answer1 ,theaetetus8 ,,theaetetus3 ,he cannot1 ,i should say4 ,,socrates3 ,he can1 if you maintain that seeing is knowing4 ,when you are imprisoned in a well1 as the saying is1 and the self-assured adversary closes one of your eyes with his hand1 and asks whether you can see his cloak with the eye which he has closed1 how will you answer the inevitable man8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i should answer1 ',not with that eye but with the other4' ,,socrates3 ,then you see and do not see the same thing at the same time4 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes1 in a certain sense4 ,,socrates3 ,none of that1 he will reply2 ,i do not ask or bid you answer in what sense you know1 but only whether you know that which you do not know4 ,you have been proved to see that which you do not see2 and you have already admitted that seeing is knowing1 and that not-seeing is not-knowing3 ,i leave you to draw the inference4 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes2 the inference is the contradictory of my assertion4 ,,socrates3 ,yes1 my marvel1 and there might have been yet worse things in store for you1 if an opponent had gone on to ask whether you can have a sharp and also a dull knowledge1 and whether you can know near1 but not at a distance1 or know the same thing with more or less intensity1 and so on without end4 ,such questions might have been put to you by a light-armed mercenary1 who argued for pay4 ,he would have lain in wait for you1 and when you took up the position1 that sense is knowledge1 he would have made an assault upon hearing1 smelling1 and the other senses2--he would have shown you no mercy2 and while you were lost in envy and admiration of his wisdom1 he would have got you into his net1 out of which you would not have escaped until you had come to an understanding about the sum to be paid for your release4 ,well1 you ask1 and how will ,protagoras reinforce his position8 ,shall ,i answer for him8 ,,theaetetus3 ,by all means4 ,,socrates3 ,he will repeat all those things which we have been urging on his behalf1 and then he will close with us in disdain1 and say3--,the worthy ,socrates asked a little boy1 whether the same man could remember and not know the same thing1 and the boy said ,no1 because he was frightened1 and could not see what was coming1 and then ,socrates made fun of poor me4 ,the truth is1 ,o slatternly ,socrates1 that when you ask questions about any assertion of mine1 and the person asked is found tripping1 if he has answered as ,i should have answered1 then ,i am refuted1 but if he answers something else1 then he is refuted and not ,i4 ,for do you really suppose that any one would admit the memory which a man has of an impression which has passed away to be the same with that which he experienced at the time8 ,assuredly not4 ,or would he hesitate to acknowledge that the same man may know and not know the same thing8 ,or1 if he is afraid of making this admission1 would he ever grant that one who has become unlike is the same as before he became unlike8 ,or would he admit that a man is one at all1 and not rather many and infinite as the changes which take place in him8 ,i speak by the card in order to avoid entanglements of words4 ,but1 ,o my good sir1 he will say1 come to the argument in a more generous spirit2 and either show1 if you can1 that our sensations are not relative and individual1 or1 if you admit them to be so1 prove that this does not involve the consequence that the appearance becomes1 or1 if you will have the word1 is1 to the individual only4 ,as to your talk about pigs and baboons1 you are yourself behaving like a pig1 and you teach your hearers to make sport of my writings in the same ignorant manner2 but this is not to your credit4 ,for ,i declare that the truth is as ,i have written1 and that each of us is a measure of existence and of non-existence4 ,yet one man may be a thousand times better than another in proportion as different things are and appear to him4 ,and ,i am far from saying that wisdom and the wise man have no existence2 but ,i say that the wise man is he who makes the evils which appear and are to a man1 into goods which are and appear to him4 ,and ,i would beg you not to press my words in the letter1 but to take the meaning of them as ,i will explain them4 ,remember what has been already said1--that to the sick man his food appears to be and is bitter1 and to the man in health the opposite of bitter4 ,now ,i cannot conceive that one of these men can be or ought to be made wiser than the other3 nor can you assert that the sick man because he has one impression is foolish1 and the healthy man because he has another is wise2 but the one state requires to be changed into the other1 the worse into the better4 ,as in education1 a change of state has to be effected1 and the sophist accomplishes by words the change which the physician works by the aid of drugs4 ,not that any one ever made another think truly1 who previously thought falsely4 ,for no one can think what is not1 or1 think anything different from that which he feels2 and this is always true4 ,but as the inferior habit of mind has thoughts of kindred nature1 so ,i conceive that a good mind causes men to have good thoughts2 and these which the inexperienced call true1 ,i maintain to be only better1 and not truer than others4 ,and1 ,o my dear ,socrates1 ,i do not call wise men tadpoles3 far from it2 ,i say that they are the physicians of the human body1 and the husbandmen of plants--for the husbandmen also take away the evil and disordered sensations of plants1 and infuse into them good and healthy sensations--aye and true ones2 and the wise and good rhetoricians make the good instead of the evil to seem just to states2 for whatever appears to a state to be just and fair1 so long as it is regarded as such1 is just and fair to it2 but the teacher of wisdom causes the good to take the place of the evil1 both in appearance and in reality4 ,and in like manner the ,sophist who is able to train his pupils in this spirit is a wise man1 and deserves to be well paid by them4 ,and so one man is wiser than another2 and no one thinks falsely1 and you1 whether you will or not1 must endure to be a measure4 ,on these foundations the argument stands firm1 which you1 ,socrates1 may1 if you please1 overthrow by an opposite argument1 or if you like you may put questions to me--a method to which no intelligent person will object1 quite the reverse4 ,but ,i must beg you to put fair questions3 for there is great inconsistency in saying that you have a zeal for virtue1 and then always behaving unfairly in argument4 ,the unfairness of which ,i complain is that you do not distinguish between mere disputation and dialectic3 the disputer may trip up his opponent as often as he likes1 and make fun2 but the dialectician will be in earnest1 and only correct his adversary when necessary1 telling him the errors into which he has fallen through his own fault1 or that of the company which he has previously kept4 ,if you do so1 your adversary will lay the blame of his own confusion and perplexity on himself1 and not on you4 ,he will follow and love you1 and will hate himself1 and escape from himself into philosophy1 in order that he may become different from what he was4 ,but the other mode of arguing1 which is practised by the many1 will have just the opposite effect upon him2 and as he grows older1 instead of turning philosopher1 he will come to hate philosophy4 ,i would recommend you1 therefore1 as ,i said before1 not to encourage yourself in this polemical and controversial temper1 but to find out1 in a friendly and congenial spirit1 what we really mean when we say that all things are in motion1 and that to every individual and state what appears1 is4 ,in this manner you will consider whether knowledge and sensation are the same or different1 but you will not argue1 as you were just now doing1 from the customary use of names and words1 which the vulgar pervert in all sorts of ways1 causing infinite perplexity to one another4 ,such1 ,theodorus1 is the very slight help which ,i am able to offer to your old friend2 had he been living1 he would have helped himself in a far more gloriose style4 ,,theodorus3 ,you are jesting1 ,socrates2 indeed1 your defence of him has been most valorous4 ,,socrates3 ,thank you1 friend2 and ,i hope that you observed ,protagoras bidding us be serious1 as the text1 ',man is the measure of all things1' was a solemn one2 and he reproached us with making a boy the medium of discourse1 and said that the boy's timidity was made to tell against his argument2 he also declared that we made a joke of him4 ,,theodorus3 ,how could ,i fail to observe all that1 ,socrates8 ,,socrates3 ,well1 and shall we do as he says8 ,,theodorus3 ,by all means4 ,,socrates3 ,but if his wishes are to be regarded1 you and ,i must take up the argument1 and in all seriousness1 and ask and answer one another1 for you see that the rest of us are nothing but boys4 ,in no other way can we escape the imputation1 that in our fresh analysis of his thesis we are making fun with boys4 ,,theodorus3 ,well1 but is not ,theaetetus better able to follow a philosophical enquiry than a great many men who have long beards8 ,,socrates3 ,yes1 ,theodorus1 but not better than you2 and therefore please not to imagine that ,i am to defend by every means in my power your departed friend2 and that you are to defend nothing and nobody4 ,at any rate1 my good man1 do not sheer off until we know whether you are a true measure of diagrams1 or whether all men are equally measures and sufficient for themselves in astronomy and geometry1 and the other branches of knowledge in which you are supposed to excel them4 ,,theodorus3 ,he who is sitting by you1 ,socrates1 will not easily avoid being drawn into an argument2 and when ,i said just now that you would excuse me1 and not1 like the ,lacedaemonians1 compel me to strip and fight1 ,i was talking nonsense--,i should rather compare you to ,scirrhon1 who threw travellers from the rocks2 for the ,lacedaemonian rule is 'strip or depart1' but you seem to go about your work more after the fashion of ,antaeus3 you will not allow any one who approaches you to depart until you have stripped him1 and he has been compelled to try a fall with you in argument4 ,,socrates3 ,there1 ,theodorus1 you have hit off precisely the nature of my complaint2 but ,i am even more pugnacious than the giants of old1 for ,i have met with no end of heroes2 many a ,heracles1 many a ,theseus1 mighty in words1 has broken my head2 nevertheless ,i am always at this rough exercise1 which inspires me like a passion4 ,please1 then1 to try a fall with me1 whereby you will do yourself good as well as me4 ,,theodorus3 ,i consent2 lead me whither you will1 for ,i know that you are like destiny2 no man can escape from any argument which you may weave for him4 ,but ,i am not disposed to go further than you suggest4 ,,socrates3 ,once will be enough2 and now take particular care that we do not again unwittingly expose ourselves to the reproach of talking childishly4 ,,theodorus3 ,i will do my best to avoid that error4 ,,socrates3 ,in the first place1 let us return to our old objection1 and see whether we were right in blaming and taking offence at ,protagoras on the ground that he assumed all to be equal and sufficient in wisdom2 although he admitted that there was a better and worse1 and that in respect of this1 some who as he said were the wise excelled others4 ,,theodorus3 ,very true4 ,,socrates3 ,had ,protagoras been living and answered for himself1 instead of our answering for him1 there would have been no need of our reviewing or reinforcing the argument4 ,but as he is not here1 and some one may accuse us of speaking without authority on his behalf1 had we not better come to a clearer agreement about his meaning1 for a great deal may be at stake8 ,,theodorus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,then let us obtain1 not through any third person1 but from his own statement and in the fewest words possible1 the basis of agreement4 ,,theodorus3 ,in what way8 ,,socrates3 ,in this way3--,his words are1 ',what seems to a man1 is to him4' ,,theodorus3 ,yes1 so he says4 ,,socrates3 ,and are not we1 ,protagoras1 uttering the opinion of man1 or rather of all mankind1 when we say that every one thinks himself wiser than other men in some things1 and their inferior in others8 ,in the hour of danger1 when they are in perils of war1 or of the sea1 or of sickness1 do they not look up to their commanders as if they were gods1 and expect salvation from them1 only because they excel them in knowledge8 ,is not the world full of men in their several employments1 who are looking for teachers and rulers of themselves and of the animals8 and there are plenty who think that they are able to teach and able to rule4 ,now1 in all this is implied that ignorance and wisdom exist among them1 at least in their own opinion4 ,,theodorus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,and wisdom is assumed by them to be true thought1 and ignorance to be false opinion4 ,,theodorus3 ,exactly4 ,,socrates3 ,how then1 ,protagoras1 would you have us treat the argument8 ,shall we say that the opinions of men are always true1 or sometimes true and sometimes false8 ,in either case1 the result is the same1 and their opinions are not always true1 but sometimes true and sometimes false4 ,for tell me1 ,theodorus1 do you suppose that you yourself1 or any other follower of ,protagoras1 would contend that no one deems another ignorant or mistaken in his opinion8 ,,theodorus3 ,the thing is incredible1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,and yet that absurdity is necessarily involved in the thesis which declares man to be the measure of all things4 ,,theodorus3 ,how so8 ,,socrates3 ,why1 suppose that you determine in your own mind something to be true1 and declare your opinion to me2 let us assume1 as he argues1 that this is true to you4 ,now1 if so1 you must either say that the rest of us are not the judges of this opinion or judgment of yours1 or that we judge you always to have a true opinion8 ,but are there not thousands upon thousands who1 whenever you form a judgment1 take up arms against you and are of an opposite judgment and opinion1 deeming that you judge falsely8 ,,theodorus3 ,yes1 indeed1 ,socrates1 thousands and tens of thousands1 as ,homer says1 who give me a world of trouble4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 but are we to assert that what you think is true to you and false to the ten thousand others8 ,,theodorus3 ,no other inference seems to be possible4 ,,socrates3 ,and how about ,protagoras himself8 ,if neither he nor the multitude thought1 as indeed they do not think1 that man is the measure of all things1 must it not follow that the truth of which ,protagoras wrote would be true to no one8 ,but if you suppose that he himself thought this1 and that the multitude does not agree with him1 you must begin by allowing that in whatever proportion the many are more than one1 in that proportion his truth is more untrue than true4 ,,theodorus3 ,that would follow if the truth is supposed to vary with individual opinion4 ,,socrates3 ,and the best of the joke is1 that he acknowledges the truth of their opinion who believe his own opinion to be false2 for he admits that the opinions of all men are true4 ,,theodorus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,and does he not allow that his own opinion is false1 if he admits that the opinion of those who think him false is true8 ,,theodorus3 ,of course4 ,,socrates3 ,whereas the other side do not admit that they speak falsely8 ,,theodorus3 ,they do not4 ,,socrates3 ,and he1 as may be inferred from his writings1 agrees that this opinion is also true4 ,,theodorus3 ,clearly4 ,,socrates3 ,then all mankind1 beginning with ,protagoras1 will contend1 or rather1 ,i should say that he will allow1 when he concedes that his adversary has a true opinion--,protagoras1 ,i say1 will himself allow that neither a dog nor any ordinary man is the measure of anything which he has not learned--am ,i not right8 ,,theodorus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and the truth of ,protagoras being doubted by all1 will be true neither to himself to any one else8 ,,theodorus3 ,i think1 ,socrates1 that we are running my old friend too hard4 ,,socrates3 ,but ,i do not know that we are going beyond the truth4 ,doubtless1 as he is older1 he may be expected to be wiser than we are4 ,and if he could only just get his head out of the world below1 he would have overthrown both of us again and again1 me for talking nonsense and you for assenting to me1 and have been off and underground in a trice4 ,but as he is not within call1 we must make the best use of our own faculties1 such as they are1 and speak out what appears to us to be true4 ,and one thing which no one will deny is1 that there are great differences in the understandings of men4 ,,theodorus3 ,in that opinion ,i quite agree4 ,,socrates3 ,and is there not most likely to be firm ground in the distinction which we were indicating on behalf of ,protagoras1 viz4 that most things1 and all immediate sensations1 such as hot1 dry1 sweet1 are only such as they appear2 if however difference of opinion is to be allowed at all1 surely we must allow it in respect of health or disease8 for every woman1 child1 or living creature has not such a knowledge of what conduces to health as to enable them to cure themselves4 ,,theodorus3 ,i quite agree4 ,,socrates3 ,or again1 in politics1 while affirming that just and unjust1 honourable and disgraceful1 holy and unholy1 are in reality to each state such as the state thinks and makes lawful1 and that in determining these matters no individual or state is wiser than another1 still the followers of ,protagoras will not deny that in determining what is or is not expedient for the community one state is wiser and one counsellor better than another--they will scarcely venture to maintain1 that what a city enacts in the belief that it is expedient will always be really expedient4 ,but in the other case1 ,i mean when they speak of justice and injustice1 piety and impiety1 they are confident that in nature these have no existence or essence of their own--the truth is that which is agreed on at the time of the agreement1 and as long as the agreement lasts2 and this is the philosophy of many who do not altogether go along with ,protagoras4 ,here arises a new question1 ,theodorus1 which threatens to be more serious than the last4 ,,theodorus3 ,well1 ,socrates1 we have plenty of leisure4 ,,socrates3 ,that is true1 and your remark recalls to my mind an observation which ,i have often made1 that those who have passed their days in the pursuit of philosophy are ridiculously at fault when they have to appear and speak in court4 ,how natural is this6 ,,theodorus3 ,what do you mean8 ,,socrates3 ,i mean to say1 that those who have been trained in philosophy and liberal pursuits are as unlike those who from their youth upwards have been knocking about in the courts and such places1 as a freeman is in breeding unlike a slave4 ,,theodorus3 ,in what is the difference seen8 ,,socrates3 ,in the leisure spoken of by you1 which a freeman can always command3 he has his talk out in peace1 and1 like ourselves1 he wanders at will from one subject to another1 and from a second to a third1--if the fancy takes him1 he begins again1 as we are doing now1 caring not whether his words are many or few2 his only aim is to attain the truth4 ,but the lawyer is always in a hurry2 there is the water of the clepsydra driving him on1 and not allowing him to expatiate at will3 and there is his adversary standing over him1 enforcing his rights2 the indictment1 which in their phraseology is termed the affidavit1 is recited at the time3 and from this he must not deviate4 ,he is a servant1 and is continually disputing about a fellow-servant before his master1 who is seated1 and has the cause in his hands2 the trial is never about some indifferent matter1 but always concerns himself2 and often the race is for his life4 ,the consequence has been1 that he has become keen and shrewd2 he has learned how to flatter his master in word and indulge him in deed2 but his soul is small and unrighteous4 ,his condition1 which has been that of a slave from his youth upwards1 has deprived him of growth and uprightness and independence2 dangers and fears1 which were too much for his truth and honesty1 came upon him in early years1 when the tenderness of youth was unequal to them1 and he has been driven into crooked ways2 from the first he has practised deception and retaliation1 and has become stunted and warped4 ,and so he has passed out of youth into manhood1 having no soundness in him2 and is now1 as he thinks1 a master in wisdom4 ,such is the lawyer1 ,theodorus4 ,will you have the companion picture of the philosopher1 who is of our brotherhood2 or shall we return to the argument8 ,do not let us abuse the freedom of digression which we claim4 ,,theodorus3 ,nay1 ,socrates1 not until we have finished what we are about2 for you truly said that we belong to a brotherhood which is free1 and are not the servants of the argument2 but the argument is our servant1 and must wait our leisure4 ,who is our judge8 ,or where is the spectator having any right to censure or control us1 as he might the poets8 ,,socrates3 ,then1 as this is your wish1 ,i will describe the leaders2 for there is no use in talking about the inferior sort4 ,in the first place1 the lords of philosophy have never1 from their youth upwards1 known their way to the ,agora1 or the dicastery1 or the council1 or any other political assembly2 they neither see nor hear the laws or decrees1 as they are called1 of the state written or recited2 the eagerness of political societies in the attainment of offices--clubs1 and banquets1 and revels1 and singing-maidens1--do not enter even into their dreams4 ,whether any event has turned out well or ill in the city1 what disgrace may have descended to any one from his ancestors1 male or female1 are matters of which the philosopher no more knows than he can tell1 as they say1 how many pints are contained in the ocean4 ,neither is he conscious of his ignorance4 ,for he does not hold aloof in order that he may gain a reputation2 but the truth is1 that the outer form of him only is in the city3 his mind1 disdaining the littlenesses and nothingnesses of human things1 is 'flying all abroad' as ,pindar says1 measuring earth and heaven and the things which are under and on the earth and above the heaven1 interrogating the whole nature of each and all in their entirety1 but not condescending to anything which is within reach4 ,,theodorus3 ,what do you mean1 ,socrates8 ,,socrates3 ,i will illustrate my meaning1 ,theodorus1 by the jest which the clever witty ,thracian handmaid is said to have made about ,thales1 when he fell into a well as he was looking up at the stars4 ,she said1 that he was so eager to know what was going on in heaven1 that he could not see what was before his feet4 ,this is a jest which is equally applicable to all philosophers4 ,for the philosopher is wholly unacquainted with his next-door neighbour2 he is ignorant1 not only of what he is doing1 but he hardly knows whether he is a man or an animal2 he is searching into the essence of man1 and busy in enquiring what belongs to such a nature to do or suffer different from any other2--,i think that you understand me1 ,theodorus8 ,,theodorus3 ,i do1 and what you say is true4 ,,socrates3 ,and thus1 my friend1 on every occasion1 private as well as public1 as ,i said at first1 when he appears in a law-court1 or in any place in which he has to speak of things which are at his feet and before his eyes1 he is the jest1 not only of ,thracian handmaids but of the general herd1 tumbling into wells and every sort of disaster through his inexperience4 ,his awkwardness is fearful1 and gives the impression of imbecility4 ,when he is reviled1 he has nothing personal to say in answer to the civilities of his adversaries1 for he knows no scandals of any one1 and they do not interest him2 and therefore he is laughed at for his sheepishness2 and when others are being praised and glorified1 in the simplicity of his heart he cannot help going into fits of laughter1 so that he seems to be a downright idiot4 ,when he hears a tyrant or king eulogized1 he fancies that he is listening to the praises of some keeper of cattle--a swineherd1 or shepherd1 or perhaps a cowherd1 who is congratulated on the quantity of milk which he squeezes from them2 and he remarks that the creature whom they tend1 and out of whom they squeeze the wealth1 is of a less tractable and more insidious nature4 ,then1 again1 he observes that the great man is of necessity as ill-mannered and uneducated as any shepherd--for he has no leisure1 and he is surrounded by a wall1 which is his mountain-pen4 ,hearing of enormous landed proprietors of ten thousand acres and more1 our philosopher deems this to be a trifle1 because he has been accustomed to think of the whole earth2 and when they sing the praises of family1 and say that some one is a gentleman because he can show seven generations of wealthy ancestors1 he thinks that their sentiments only betray a dull and narrow vision in those who utter them1 and who are not educated enough to look at the whole1 nor to consider that every man has had thousands and ten thousands of progenitors1 and among them have been rich and poor1 kings and slaves1 ,hellenes and barbarians1 innumerable4 ,and when people pride themselves on having a pedigree of twenty-five ancestors1 which goes back to ,heracles1 the son of ,amphitryon1 he cannot understand their poverty of ideas4 ,why are they unable to calculate that ,amphitryon had a twenty-fifth ancestor1 who might have been anybody1 and was such as fortune made him1 and he had a fiftieth1 and so on8 ,he amuses himself with the notion that they cannot count1 and thinks that a little arithmetic would have got rid of their senseless vanity4 ,now1 in all these cases our philosopher is derided by the vulgar1 partly because he is thought to despise them1 and also because he is ignorant of what is before him1 and always at a loss4 ,,theodorus3 ,that is very true1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,but1 ,o my friend1 when he draws the other into upper air1 and gets him out of his pleas and rejoinders into the contemplation of justice and injustice in their own nature and in their difference from one another and from all other things2 or from the commonplaces about the happiness of a king or of a rich man to the consideration of government1 and of human happiness and misery in general--what they are1 and how a man is to attain the one and avoid the other--when that narrow1 keen1 little legal mind is called to account about all this1 he gives the philosopher his revenge2 for dizzied by the height at which he is hanging1 whence he looks down into space1 which is a strange experience to him1 he being dismayed1 and lost1 and stammering broken words1 is laughed at1 not by ,thracian handmaidens or any other uneducated persons1 for they have no eye for the situation1 but by every man who has not been brought up a slave4 ,such are the two characters1 ,theodorus3 the one of the freeman1 who has been trained in liberty and leisure1 whom you call the philosopher1--him we cannot blame because he appears simple and of no account when he has to perform some menial task1 such as packing up bed-clothes1 or flavouring a sauce or fawning speech2 the other character is that of the man who is able to do all this kind of service smartly and neatly1 but knows not how to wear his cloak like a gentleman2 still less with the music of discourse can he hymn the true life aright which is lived by immortals or men blessed of heaven4 ,,theodorus3 ,if you could only persuade everybody1 ,socrates1 as you do me1 of the truth of your words1 there would be more peace and fewer evils among men4 ,,socrates3 ,evils1 ,theodorus1 can never pass away2 for there must always remain something which is antagonistic to good4 ,having no place among the gods in heaven1 of necessity they hover around the mortal nature1 and this earthly sphere4 ,wherefore we ought to fly away from earth to heaven as quickly as we can2 and to fly away is to become like ,god1 as far as this is possible2 and to become like him1 is to become holy1 just1 and wise4 ,but1 ,o my friend1 you cannot easily convince mankind that they should pursue virtue or avoid vice1 not merely in order that a man may seem to be good1 which is the reason given by the world1 and in my judgment is only a repetition of an old wives' fable4 ,whereas1 the truth is that ,god is never in any way unrighteous--he is perfect righteousness2 and he of us who is the most righteous is most like him4 ,herein is seen the true cleverness of a man1 and also his nothingness and want of manhood4 ,for to know this is true wisdom and virtue1 and ignorance of this is manifest folly and vice4 ,all other kinds of wisdom or cleverness1 which seem only1 such as the wisdom of politicians1 or the wisdom of the arts1 are coarse and vulgar4 ,the unrighteous man1 or the sayer and doer of unholy things1 had far better not be encouraged in the illusion that his roguery is clever2 for men glory in their shame--they fancy that they hear others saying of them1 ',these are not mere good-for-nothing persons1 mere burdens of the earth1 but such as men should be who mean to dwell safely in a state4' ,let us tell them that they are all the more truly what they do not think they are because they do not know it2 for they do not know the penalty of injustice1 which above all things they ought to know--not stripes and death1 as they suppose1 which evil-doers often escape1 but a penalty which cannot be escaped4 ,,theodorus3 ,what is that8 ,,socrates3 ,there are two patterns eternally set before them2 the one blessed and divine1 the other godless and wretched3 but they do not see them1 or perceive that in their utter folly and infatuation they are growing like the one and unlike the other1 by reason of their evil deeds2 and the penalty is1 that they lead a life answering to the pattern which they are growing like4 ,and if we tell them1 that unless they depart from their cunning1 the place of innocence will not receive them after death2 and that here on earth1 they will live ever in the likeness of their own evil selves1 and with evil friends--when they hear this they in their superior cunning will seem to be listening to the talk of idiots4 ,,theodorus3 ,very true1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,too true1 my friend1 as ,i well know2 there is1 however1 one peculiarity in their case3 when they begin to reason in private about their dislike of philosophy1 if they have the courage to hear the argument out1 and do not run away1 they grow at last strangely discontented with themselves2 their rhetoric fades away1 and they become helpless as children4 ,these however are digressions from which we must now desist1 or they will overflow1 and drown the original argument2 to which1 if you please1 we will now return4 ,,theodorus3 ,for my part1 ,socrates1 ,i would rather have the digressions1 for at my age ,i find them easier to follow2 but if you wish1 let us go back to the argument4 ,,socrates3 ,had we not reached the point at which the partisans of the perpetual flux1 who say that things are as they seem to each one1 were confidently maintaining that the ordinances which the state commanded and thought just1 were just to the state which imposed them1 while they were in force2 this was especially asserted of justice2 but as to the good1 no one had any longer the hardihood to contend of any ordinances which the state thought and enacted to be good that these1 while they were in force1 were really good2--he who said so would be playing with the name 'good1' and would not touch the real question--it would be a mockery1 would it not8 ,,theodorus3 ,certainly it would4 ,,socrates3 ,he ought not to speak of the name1 but of the thing which is contemplated under the name4 ,,theodorus3 ,right4 ,,socrates3 ,whatever be the term used1 the good or expedient is the aim of legislation1 and as far as she has an opinion1 the state imposes all laws with a view to the greatest expediency2 can legislation have any other aim8 ,,theodorus3 ,certainly not4 ,,socrates3 ,but is the aim attained always8 do not mistakes often happen8 ,,theodorus3 ,yes1 ,i think that there are mistakes4 ,,socrates3 ,the possibility of error will be more distinctly recognised1 if we put the question in reference to the whole class under which the good or expedient falls4 ,that whole class has to do with the future1 and laws are passed under the idea that they will be useful in after-time2 which1 in other words1 is the future4 ,,theodorus3 ,very true4 ,,socrates3 ,suppose now1 that we ask ,protagoras1 or one of his disciples1 a question3--,o1 ,protagoras1 we will say to him1 ,man is1 as you declare1 the measure of all things--white1 heavy1 light3 of all such things he is the judge2 for he has the criterion of them in himself1 and when he thinks that things are such as he experiences them to be1 he thinks what is and is true to himself4 ,is it not so8 ,,theodorus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and do you extend your doctrine1 ,protagoras 7as we shall further say71 to the future as well as to the present2 and has he the criterion not only of what in his opinion is but of what will be1 and do things always happen to him as he expected8 ,for example1 take the case of heat3--,when an ordinary man thinks that he is going to have a fever1 and that this kind of heat is coming on1 and another person1 who is a physician1 thinks the contrary1 whose opinion is likely to prove right8 ,or are they both right8--he will have a heat and fever in his own judgment1 and not have a fever in the physician's judgment8 ,,theodorus3 ,how ludicrous6 ,,socrates3 ,and the vinegrower1 if ,i am not mistaken1 is a better judge of the sweetness or dryness of the vintage which is not yet gathered than the harp-player8 ,,theodorus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,and in musical composition the musician will know better than the training master what the training master himself will hereafter think harmonious or the reverse8 ,,theodorus3 ,of course4 ,,socrates3 ,and the cook will be a better judge than the guest1 who is not a cook1 of the pleasure to be derived from the dinner which is in preparation2 for of present or past pleasure we are not as yet arguing2 but can we say that every one will be to himself the best judge of the pleasure which will seem to be and will be to him in the future8--nay1 would not you1 ,protagoras1 better guess which arguments in a court would convince any one of us than the ordinary man8 ,,theodorus3 ,certainly1 ,socrates1 he used to profess in the strongest manner that he was the superior of all men in this respect4 ,,socrates3 ,to be sure1 friend3 who would have paid a large sum for the privilege of talking to him1 if he had really persuaded his visitors that neither a prophet nor any other man was better able to judge what will be and seem to be in the future than every one could for himself8 ,,theodorus3 ,who indeed8 ,,socrates3 ,and legislation and expediency are all concerned with the future2 and every one will admit that states1 in passing laws1 must often fail of their highest interests8 ,,theodorus3 ,quite true4 ,,socrates3 ,then we may fairly argue against your master1 that he must admit one man to be wiser than another1 and that the wiser is a measure3 but ,i1 who know nothing1 am not at all obliged to accept the honour which the advocate of ,protagoras was just now forcing upon me1 whether ,i would or not1 of being a measure of anything4 ,,theodorus3 ,that is the best refutation of him1 ,socrates2 although he is also caught when he ascribes truth to the opinions of others1 who give the lie direct to his own opinion4 ,,socrates3 ,there are many ways1 ,theodorus1 in which the doctrine that every opinion of every man is true may be refuted2 but there is more difficulty in proving that states of feeling1 which are present to a man1 and out of which arise sensations and opinions in accordance with them1 are also untrue4 ,and very likely ,i have been talking nonsense about them2 for they may be unassailable1 and those who say that there is clear evidence of them1 and that they are matters of knowledge1 may probably be right2 in which case our friend ,theaetetus was not so far from the mark when he identified perception and knowledge4 ,and therefore let us draw nearer1 as the advocate of ,protagoras desires2 and give the truth of the universal flux a ring3 is the theory sound or not8 at any rate1 no small war is raging about it1 and there are combination not a few4 ,,theodorus3 ,no small1 war1 indeed1 for in ,ionia the sect makes rapid strides2 the disciples of ,heracleitus are most energetic upholders of the doctrine4 ,,socrates3 ,then we are the more bound1 my dear ,theodorus1 to examine the question from the foundation as it is set forth by themselves4 ,,theodorus3 ,certainly we are4 ,about these speculations of ,heracleitus1 which1 as you say1 are as old as ,homer1 or even older still1 the ,ephesians themselves1 who profess to know them1 are downright mad1 and you cannot talk with them on the subject4 ,for1 in accordance with their text-books1 they are always in motion2 but as for dwelling upon an argument or a question1 and quietly asking and answering in turn1 they can no more do so than they can fly2 or rather1 the determination of these fellows not to have a particle of rest in them is more than the utmost powers of negation can express4 ,if you ask any of them a question1 he will produce1 as from a quiver1 sayings brief and dark1 and shoot them at you2 and if you inquire the reason of what he has said1 you will be hit by some other new-fangled word1 and will make no way with any of them1 nor they with one another2 their great care is1 not to allow of any settled principle either in their arguments or in their minds1 conceiving1 as ,i imagine1 that any such principle would be stationary2 for they are at war with the stationary1 and do what they can to drive it out everywhere4 ,,socrates3 ,i suppose1 ,theodorus1 that you have only seen them when they were fighting1 and have never stayed with them in time of peace1 for they are no friends of yours2 and their peace doctrines are only communicated by them at leisure1 as ,i imagine1 to those disciples of theirs whom they want to make like themselves4 ,,theodorus3 ,disciples6 my good sir1 they have none2 men of their sort are not one another's disciples1 but they grow up at their own sweet will1 and get their inspiration anywhere1 each of them saying of his neighbour that he knows nothing4 ,from these men1 then1 as ,i was going to remark1 you will never get a reason1 whether with their will or without their will2 we must take the question out of their hands1 and make the analysis ourselves1 as if we were doing geometrical problem4 ,,socrates3 ,quite right too2 but as touching the aforesaid problem1 have we not heard from the ancients1 who concealed their wisdom from the many in poetical figures1 that ,oceanus and ,tethys1 the origin of all things1 are streams1 and that nothing is at rest8 ,and now the moderns1 in their superior wisdom1 have declared the same openly1 that the cobbler too may hear and learn of them1 and no longer foolishly imagine that some things are at rest and others in motion--having learned that all is motion1 he will duly honour his teachers4 ,i had almost forgotten the opposite doctrine1 ,theodorus1 ',alone ,being remains unmoved1 which is the name for the all4' ,this is the language of ,parmenides1 ,melissus1 and their followers1 who stoutly maintain that all being is one and self-contained1 and has no place in which to move4 ,what shall we do1 friend1 with all these people2 for1 advancing step by step1 we have imperceptibly got between the combatants1 and1 unless we can protect our retreat1 we shall pay the penalty of our rashness--like the players in the palaestra who are caught upon the line1 and are dragged different ways by the two parties4 ,therefore ,i think that we had better begin by considering those whom we first accosted1 'the river-gods1' and1 if we find any truth in them1 we will help them to pull us over1 and try to get away from the others4 ,but if the partisans of 'the whole' appear to speak more truly1 we will fly off from the party which would move the immovable1 to them4 ,and if ,i find that neither of them have anything reasonable to say1 we shall be in a ridiculous position1 having so great a conceit of our own poor opinion and rejecting that of ancient and famous men4 ,o ,theodorus1 do you think that there is any use in proceeding when the danger is so great8 ,,theodorus3 ,nay1 ,socrates1 not to examine thoroughly what the two parties have to say would be quite intolerable4 ,,socrates3 ,then examine we must1 since you1 who were so reluctant to begin1 are so eager to proceed4 ,the nature of motion appears to be the question with which we begin4 ,what do they mean when they say that all things are in motion8 ,is there only one kind of motion1 or1 as ,i rather incline to think1 two8 ,i should like to have your opinion upon this point in addition to my own1 that ,i may err1 if ,i must err1 in your company2 tell me1 then1 when a thing changes from one place to another1 or goes round in the same place1 is not that what is called motion8 ,,theodorus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,here then we have one kind of motion4 ,but when a thing1 remaining on the same spot1 grows old1 or becomes black from being white1 or hard from being soft1 or undergoes any other change1 may not this be properly called motion of another kind8 ,,theodorus3 ,i think so4 ,,socrates3 ,say rather that it must be so4 ,of motion then there are these two kinds1 'change1' and 'motion in place4' ,,theodorus3 ,you are right4 ,,socrates3 ,and now1 having made this distinction1 let us address ourselves to those who say that all is motion1 and ask them whether all things according to them have the two kinds of motion1 and are changed as well as move in place1 or is one thing moved in both ways1 and another in one only8 ,,theodorus3 ,indeed1 ,i do not know what to answer2 but ,i think they would say that all things are moved in both ways4 ,,socrates3 ,yes1 comrade2 for1 if not1 they would have to say that the same things are in motion and at rest1 and there would be no more truth in saying that all things are in motion1 than that all things are at rest4 ,,theodorus3 ,to be sure4 ,,socrates3 ,and if they are to be in motion1 and nothing is to be devoid of motion1 all things must always have every sort of motion8 ,,theodorus3 ,most true4 ,,socrates3 ,consider a further point3 did we not understand them to explain the generation of heat1 whiteness1 or anything else1 in some such manner as the following3--were they not saying that each of them is moving between the agent and the patient1 together with a perception1 and that the patient ceases to be a perceiving power and becomes a percipient1 and the agent a quale instead of a quality8 ,i suspect that quality may appear a strange and uncouth term to you1 and that you do not understand the abstract expression4 ,then ,i will take concrete instances3 ,i mean to say that the producing power or agent becomes neither heat nor whiteness but hot and white1 and the like of other things4 ,for ,i must repeat what ,i said before1 that neither the agent nor patient have any absolute existence1 but when they come together and generate sensations and their objects1 the one becomes a thing of a certain quality1 and the other a percipient4 ,you remember8 ,,theodorus3 ,of course4 ,,socrates3 ,we may leave the details of their theory unexamined1 but we must not forget to ask them the only question with which we are concerned3 ,are all things in motion and flux8 ,,theodorus3 ,yes1 they will reply4 ,,socrates3 ,and they are moved in both those ways which we distinguished1 that is to say1 they move in place and are also changed8 ,,theodorus3 ,of course1 if the motion is to be perfect4 ,,socrates3 ,if they only moved in place and were not changed1 we should be able to say what is the nature of the things which are in motion and flux8 ,,theodorus3 ,exactly4 ,,socrates3 ,but now1 since not even white continues to flow white1 and whiteness itself is a flux or change which is passing into another colour1 and is never to be caught standing still1 can the name of any colour be rightly used at all8 ,,theodorus3 ,how is that possible1 ,socrates1 either in the case of this or of any other quality--if while we are using the word the object is escaping in the flux8 ,,socrates3 ,and what would you say of perceptions1 such as sight and hearing1 or any other kind of perception8 ,is there any stopping in the act of seeing and hearing8 ,,theodorus3 ,certainly not1 if all things are in motion4 ,,socrates3 ,then we must not speak of seeing any more than of not-seeing1 nor of any other perception more than of any non-perception1 if all things partake of every kind of motion8 ,,theodorus3 ,certainly not4 ,,socrates3 ,yet perception is knowledge3 so at least ,theaetetus and ,i were saying4 ,,theodorus3 ,very true4 ,,socrates3 ,then when we were asked what is knowledge1 we no more answered what is knowledge than what is not knowledge8 ,,theodorus3 ,i suppose not4 ,,socrates3 ,here1 then1 is a fine result3 we corrected our first answer in our eagerness to prove that nothing is at rest4 ,but if nothing is at rest1 every answer upon whatever subject is equally right3 you may say that a thing is or is not thus2 or1 if you prefer1 'becomes' thus2 and if we say 'becomes1' we shall not then hamper them with words expressive of rest4 ,,theodorus3 ,quite true4 ,,socrates3 ,yes1 ,theodorus1 except in saying 'thus' and 'not thus4' ,but you ought not to use the word 'thus1' for there is no motion in 'thus' or in 'not thus4' ,the maintainers of the doctrine have as yet no words in which to express themselves1 and must get a new language4 ,i know of no word that will suit them1 except perhaps 'no how1' which is perfectly indefinite4 ,,theodorus3 ,yes1 that is a manner of speaking in which they will be quite at home4 ,,socrates3 ,and so1 ,theodorus1 we have got rid of your friend without assenting to his doctrine1 that every man is the measure of all things--a wise man only is a measure2 neither can we allow that knowledge is perception1 certainly not on the hypothesis of a perpetual flux1 unless perchance our friend ,theaetetus is able to convince us that it is4 ,,theodorus3 ,very good1 ,socrates2 and now that the argument about the doctrine of ,protagoras has been completed1 ,i am absolved from answering2 for this was the agreement4 ,,theaetetus3 ,not1 ,theodorus1 until you and ,socrates have discussed the doctrine of those who say that all things are at rest1 as you were proposing4 ,,theodorus3 ,you1 ,theaetetus1 who are a young rogue1 must not instigate your elders to a breach of faith1 but should prepare to answer ,socrates in the remainder of the argument4 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes1 if he wishes2 but ,i would rather have heard about the doctrine of rest4 ,,theodorus3 ,invite ,socrates to an argument--invite horsemen to the open plain2 do but ask him1 and he will answer4 ,,socrates3 ,nevertheless1 ,theodorus1 ,i am afraid that ,i shall not be able to comply with the request of ,theaetetus4 ,,theodorus3 ,not comply6 for what reason8 ,,socrates3 ,my reason is that ,i have a kind of reverence2 not so much for ,melissus and the others1 who say that ',all is one and at rest1' as for the great leader himself1 ,parmenides1 venerable and awful1 as in ,homeric language he may be called2--him ,i should be ashamed to approach in a spirit unworthy of him4 ,i met him when he was an old man1 and ,i was a mere youth1 and he appeared to me to have a glorious depth of mind4 ,and ,i am afraid that we may not understand his words1 and may be still further from understanding his meaning2 above all ,i fear that the nature of knowledge1 which is the main subject of our discussion1 may be thrust out of sight by the unbidden guests who will come pouring in upon our feast of discourse1 if we let them in--besides1 the question which is now stirring is of immense extent1 and will be treated unfairly if only considered by the way2 or if treated adequately and at length1 will put into the shade the other question of knowledge4 ,neither the one nor the other can be allowed2 but ,i must try by my art of midwifery to deliver ,theaetetus of his conceptions about knowledge4 ,,theaetetus3 ,very well2 do so if you will4 ,,socrates3 ,then now1 ,theaetetus1 take another view of the subject3 you answered that knowledge is perception8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i did4 ,,socrates3 ,and if any one were to ask you3 ,with what does a man see black and white colours8 and with what does he hear high and low sounds8--you would say1 if ,i am not mistaken1 ',with the eyes and with the ears4' ,,theaetetus3 ,i should4 ,,socrates3 ,the free use of words and phrases1 rather than minute precision1 is generally characteristic of a liberal education1 and the opposite is pedantic2 but sometimes precision is necessary1 and ,i believe that the answer which you have just given is open to the charge of incorrectness2 for which is more correct1 to say that we see or hear with the eyes and with the ears1 or through the eyes and through the ears4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i should say 'through1' ,socrates1 rather than 'with4' ,,socrates3 ,yes1 my boy1 for no one can suppose that in each of us1 as in a sort of ,trojan horse1 there are perched a number of unconnected senses1 which do not all meet in some one nature1 the mind1 or whatever we please to call it1 of which they are the instruments1 and with which through them we perceive objects of sense4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i agree with you in that opinion4 ,,socrates3 ,the reason why ,i am thus precise is1 because ,i want to know whether1 when we perceive black and white through the eyes1 and again1 other qualities through other organs1 we do not perceive them with one and the same part of ourselves1 and1 if you were asked1 you might refer all such perceptions to the body4 ,perhaps1 however1 ,i had better allow you to answer for yourself and not interfere4 ,tell me1 then1 are not the organs through which you perceive warm and hard and light and sweet1 organs of the body8 ,,theaetetus3 ,of the body1 certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,and you would admit that what you perceive through one faculty you cannot perceive through another2 the objects of hearing1 for example1 cannot be perceived through sight1 or the objects of sight through hearing8 ,,theaetetus3 ,of course not4 ,,socrates3 ,if you have any thought about both of them1 this common perception cannot come to you1 either through the one or the other organ8 ,,theaetetus3 ,it cannot4 ,,socrates3 ,how about sounds and colours3 in the first place you would admit that they both exist8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and that either of them is different from the other1 and the same with itself8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,and that both are two and each of them one8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,you can further observe whether they are like or unlike one another8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i dare say4 ,,socrates3 ,but through what do you perceive all this about them8 for neither through hearing nor yet through seeing can you apprehend that which they have in common4 ,let me give you an illustration of the point at issue3--,if there were any meaning in asking whether sounds and colours are saline or not1 you would be able to tell me what faculty would consider the question4 ,it would not be sight or hearing1 but some other4 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly2 the faculty of taste4 ,,socrates3 ,very good2 and now tell me what is the power which discerns1 not only in sensible objects1 but in all things1 universal notions1 such as those which are called being and not-being1 and those others about which we were just asking--what organs will you assign for the perception of these notions8 ,,theaetetus3 ,you are thinking of being and not being1 likeness and unlikeness1 sameness and difference1 and also of unity and other numbers which are applied to objects of sense2 and you mean to ask1 through what bodily organ the soul perceives odd and even numbers and other arithmetical conceptions4 ,,socrates3 ,you follow me excellently1 ,theaetetus2 that is precisely what ,i am asking4 ,,theaetetus3 ,indeed1 ,socrates1 ,i cannot answer2 my only notion is1 that these1 unlike objects of sense1 have no separate organ1 but that the mind1 by a power of her own1 contemplates the universals in all things4 ,,socrates3 ,you are a beauty1 ,theaetetus1 and not ugly1 as ,theodorus was saying2 for he who utters the beautiful is himself beautiful and good4 ,and besides being beautiful1 you have done me a kindness in releasing me from a very long discussion1 if you are clear that the soul views some things by herself and others through the bodily organs4 ,for that was my own opinion1 and ,i wanted you to agree with me4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i am quite clear4 ,,socrates3 ,and to which class would you refer being or essence2 for this1 of all our notions1 is the most universal8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i should say1 to that class which the soul aspires to know of herself4 ,,socrates3 ,and would you say this also of like and unlike1 same and other8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and would you say the same of the noble and base1 and of good and evil8 ,,theaetetus3 ,these ,i conceive to be notions which are essentially relative1 and which the soul also perceives by comparing in herself things past and present with the future4 ,,socrates3 ,and does she not perceive the hardness of that which is hard by the touch1 and the softness of that which is soft equally by the touch8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,but their essence and what they are1 and their opposition to one another1 and the essential nature of this opposition1 the soul herself endeavours to decide for us by the review and comparison of them8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,the simple sensations which reach the soul through the body are given at birth to men and animals by nature1 but their reflections on the being and use of them are slowly and hardly gained1 if they are ever gained1 by education and long experience4 ,,theaetetus3 ,assuredly4 ,,socrates3 ,and can a man attain truth who fails of attaining being8 ,,theaetetus3 ,impossible4 ,,socrates3 ,and can he who misses the truth of anything1 have a knowledge of that thing8 ,,theaetetus3 ,he cannot4 ,,socrates3 ,then knowledge does not consist in impressions of sense1 but in reasoning about them2 in that only1 and not in the mere impression1 truth and being can be attained8 ,,theaetetus3 ,clearly4 ,,socrates3 ,and would you call the two processes by the same name1 when there is so great a difference between them8 ,,theaetetus3 ,that would certainly not be right4 ,,socrates3 ,and what name would you give to seeing1 hearing1 smelling1 being cold and being hot8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i should call all of them perceiving--what other name could be given to them8 ,,socrates3 ,perception would be the collective name of them8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,which1 as we say1 has no part in the attainment of truth any more than of being8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly not4 ,,socrates3 ,and therefore not in science or knowledge8 ,,theaetetus3 ,no4 ,,socrates3 ,then perception1 ,theaetetus1 can never be the same as knowledge or science8 ,,theaetetus3 ,clearly not1 ,socrates2 and knowledge has now been most distinctly proved to be different from perception4 ,,socrates3 ,but the original aim of our discussion was to find out rather what knowledge is than what it is not2 at the same time we have made some progress1 for we no longer seek for knowledge in perception at all1 but in that other process1 however called1 in which the mind is alone and engaged with being4 ,,theaetetus3 ,you mean1 ,socrates1 if ,i am not mistaken1 what is called thinking or opining4 ,,socrates3 ,you conceive truly4 ,and now1 my friend1 please to begin again at this point2 and having wiped out of your memory all that has preceded1 see if you have arrived at any clearer view1 and once more say what is knowledge4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i cannot say1 ,socrates1 that all opinion is knowledge1 because there may be a false opinion2 but ,i will venture to assert1 that knowledge is true opinion3 let this then be my reply2 and if this is hereafter disproved1 ,i must try to find another4 ,,socrates3 ,that is the way in which you ought to answer1 ,theaetetus1 and not in your former hesitating strain1 for if we are bold we shall gain one of two advantages2 either we shall find what we seek1 or we shall be less likely to think that we know what we do not know--in either case we shall be richly rewarded4 ,and now1 what are you saying8--,are there two sorts of opinion1 one true and the other false2 and do you define knowledge to be the true8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes1 according to my present view4 ,,socrates3 ,is it still worth our while to resume the discussion touching opinion8 ,,theaetetus3 ,to what are you alluding8 ,,socrates3 ,there is a point which often troubles me1 and is a great perplexity to me1 both in regard to myself and others4 ,i cannot make out the nature or origin of the mental experience to which ,i refer4 ,,theaetetus3 ,pray what is it8 ,,socrates3 ,how there can be false opinion--that difficulty still troubles the eye of my mind2 and ,i am uncertain whether ,i shall leave the question1 or begin over again in a new way4 ,,theaetetus3 ,begin again1 ,socrates1--at least if you think that there is the slightest necessity for doing so4 ,were not you and ,theodorus just now remarking very truly1 that in discussions of this kind we may take our own time8 ,,socrates3 ,you are quite right1 and perhaps there will be no harm in retracing our steps and beginning again4 ,better a little which is well done1 than a great deal imperfectly4 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 and what is the difficulty8 ,do we not speak of false opinion1 and say that one man holds a false and another a true opinion1 as though there were some natural distinction between them8 ,,theaetetus3 ,we certainly say so4 ,,socrates3 ,all things and everything are either known or not known4 ,i leave out of view the intermediate conceptions of learning and forgetting1 because they have nothing to do with our present question4 ,,theaetetus3 ,there can be no doubt1 ,socrates1 if you exclude these1 that there is no other alternative but knowing or not knowing a thing4 ,,socrates3 ,that point being now determined1 must we not say that he who has an opinion1 must have an opinion about something which he knows or does not know8 ,,theaetetus3 ,he must4 ,,socrates3 ,he who knows1 cannot but know2 and he who does not know1 cannot know8 ,,theaetetus3 ,of course4 ,,socrates3 ,what shall we say then8 ,when a man has a false opinion does he think that which he knows to be some other thing which he knows1 and knowing both1 is he at the same time ignorant of both8 ,,theaetetus3 ,that1 ,socrates1 is impossible4 ,,socrates3 ,but perhaps he thinks of something which he does not know as some other thing which he does not know2 for example1 he knows neither ,theaetetus nor ,socrates1 and yet he fancies that ,theaetetus is ,socrates1 or ,socrates ,theaetetus8 ,,theaetetus3 ,how can he8 ,,socrates3 ,but surely he cannot suppose what he knows to be what he does not know1 or what he does not know to be what he knows8 ,,theaetetus3 ,that would be monstrous4 ,,socrates3 ,where1 then1 is false opinion8 ,for if all things are either known or unknown1 there can be no opinion which is not comprehended under this alternative1 and so false opinion is excluded4 ,,theaetetus3 ,most true4 ,,socrates3 ,suppose that we remove the question out of the sphere of knowing or not knowing1 into that of being and not-being4 ,,theaetetus3 ,what do you mean8 ,,socrates3 ,may we not suspect the simple truth to be that he who thinks about anything1 that which is not1 will necessarily think what is false1 whatever in other respects may be the state of his mind8 ,,theaetetus3 ,that1 again1 is not unlikely1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,then suppose some one to say to us1 ,theaetetus3--,is it possible for any man to think that which is not1 either as a self-existent substance or as a predicate of something else8 ,and suppose that we answer1 ',yes1 he can1 when he thinks what is not true4'--,that will be our answer8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,but is there any parallel to this8 ,,theaetetus3 ,what do you mean8 ,,socrates3 ,can a man see something and yet see nothing8 ,,theaetetus3 ,impossible4 ,,socrates3 ,but if he sees any one thing1 he sees something that exists4 ,do you suppose that what is one is ever to be found among non-existing things8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i do not4 ,,socrates3 ,he then who sees some one thing1 sees something which is8 ,,theaetetus3 ,clearly4 ,,socrates3 ,and he who hears anything1 hears some one thing1 and hears that which is8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and he who touches anything1 touches something which is one and therefore is8 ,,theaetetus3 ,that again is true4 ,,socrates3 ,and does not he who thinks1 think some one thing8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,and does not he who thinks some one thing1 think something which is8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i agree4 ,,socrates3 ,then he who thinks of that which is not1 thinks of nothing8 ,,theaetetus3 ,clearly4 ,,socrates3 ,and he who thinks of nothing1 does not think at all8 ,,theaetetus3 ,obviously4 ,,socrates3 ,then no one can think that which is not1 either as a self-existent substance or as a predicate of something else8 ,,theaetetus3 ,clearly not4 ,,socrates3 ,then to think falsely is different from thinking that which is not8 ,,theaetetus3 ,it would seem so4 ,,socrates3 ,then false opinion has no existence in us1 either in the sphere of being or of knowledge8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly not4 ,,socrates3 ,but may not the following be the description of what we express by this name8 ,,theaetetus3 ,what8 ,,socrates3 ,may we not suppose that false opinion or thought is a sort of heterodoxy2 a person may make an exchange in his mind1 and say that one real object is another real object4 ,for thus he always thinks that which is1 but he puts one thing in place of another2 and missing the aim of his thoughts1 he may be truly said to have false opinion4 ,,theaetetus3 ,now you appear to me to have spoken the exact truth3 when a man puts the base in the place of the noble1 or the noble in the place of the base1 then he has truly false opinion4 ,,socrates3 ,i see1 ,theaetetus1 that your fear has disappeared1 and that you are beginning to despise me4 ,,theaetetus3 ,what makes you say so8 ,,socrates3 ,you think1 if ,i am not mistaken1 that your 'truly false' is safe from censure1 and that ,i shall never ask whether there can be a swift which is slow1 or a heavy which is light1 or any other self-contradictory thing1 which works1 not according to its own nature1 but according to that of its opposite4 ,but ,i will not insist upon this1 for ,i do not wish needlessly to discourage you4 ,and so you are satisfied that false opinion is heterodoxy1 or the thought of something else8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i am4 ,,socrates3 ,it is possible then upon your view for the mind to conceive of one thing as another8 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,but must not the mind1 or thinking power1 which misplaces them1 have a conception either of both objects or of one of them8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,either together or in succession8 ,,theaetetus3 ,very good4 ,,socrates3 ,and do you mean by conceiving1 the same which ,i mean8 ,,theaetetus3 ,what is that8 ,,socrates3 ,i mean the conversation which the soul holds with herself in considering of anything4 ,i speak of what ,i scarcely understand2 but the soul when thinking appears to me to be just talking--asking questions of herself and answering them1 affirming and denying4 ,and when she has arrived at a decision1 either gradually or by a sudden impulse1 and has at last agreed1 and does not doubt1 this is called her opinion4 ,i say1 then1 that to form an opinion is to speak1 and opinion is a word spoken1--,i mean1 to oneself and in silence1 not aloud or to another3 ,what think you8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i agree4 ,,socrates3 ,then when any one thinks of one thing as another1 he is saying to himself that one thing is another8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,but do you ever remember saying to yourself that the noble is certainly base1 or the unjust just2 or1 best of all--have you ever attempted to convince yourself that one thing is another8 ,nay1 not even in sleep1 did you ever venture to say to yourself that odd is even1 or anything of the kind8 ,,theaetetus3 ,never4 ,,socrates3 ,and do you suppose that any other man1 either in his senses or out of them1 ever seriously tried to persuade himself that an ox is a horse1 or that two are one8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly not4 ,,socrates3 ,but if thinking is talking to oneself1 no one speaking and thinking of two objects1 and apprehending them both in his soul1 will say and think that the one is the other of them1 and ,i must add1 that even you1 lover of dispute as you are1 had better let the word 'other' alone 7i4e4 not insist that 'one' and 'other' are the same 7,both words in ,greek are called eteron3 compare ,parmen42 ,euthyd4774 ,i mean to say1 that no one thinks the noble to be base1 or anything of the kind4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i will give up the word 'other1' ,socrates2 and ,i agree to what you say4 ,,socrates3 ,if a man has both of them in his thoughts1 he cannot think that the one of them is the other8 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,neither1 if he has one of them only in his mind and not the other1 can he think that one is the other8 ,,theaetetus3 ,true2 for we should have to suppose that he apprehends that which is not in his thoughts at all4 ,,socrates3 ,then no one who has either both or only one of the two objects in his mind can think that the one is the other4 ,and therefore1 he who maintains that false opinion is heterodoxy is talking nonsense2 for neither in this1 any more than in the previous way1 can false opinion exist in us4 ,,theaetetus3 ,no4 ,,socrates3 ,but if1 ,theaetetus1 this is not admitted1 we shall be driven into many absurdities4 ,,theaetetus3 ,what are they8 ,,socrates3 ,i will not tell you until ,i have endeavoured to consider the matter from every point of view4 ,for ,i should be ashamed of us if we were driven in our perplexity to admit the absurd consequences of which ,i speak4 ,but if we find the solution1 and get away from them1 we may regard them only as the difficulties of others1 and the ridicule will not attach to us4 ,on the other hand1 if we utterly fail1 ,i suppose that we must be humble1 and allow the argument to trample us under foot1 as the sea-sick passenger is trampled upon by the sailor1 and to do anything to us4 ,listen1 then1 while ,i tell you how ,i hope to find a way out of our difficulty4 ,,theaetetus3 ,let me hear4 ,,socrates3 ,i think that we were wrong in denying that a man could think what he knew to be what he did not know2 and that there is a way in which such a deception is possible4 ,,theaetetus3 ,you mean to say1 as ,i suspected at the time1 that ,i may know ,socrates1 and at a distance see some one who is unknown to me1 and whom ,i mistake for him--then the deception will occur8 ,,socrates3 ,but has not that position been relinquished by us1 because involving the absurdity that we should know and not know the things which we know8 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,let us make the assertion in another form1 which may or may not have a favourable issue2 but as we are in a great strait1 every argument should be turned over and tested4 ,tell me1 then1 whether ,i am right in saying that you may learn a thing which at one time you did not know8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly you may4 ,,socrates3 ,and another and another8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,i would have you imagine1 then1 that there exists in the mind of man a block of wax1 which is of different sizes in different men2 harder1 moister1 and having more or less of purity in one than another1 and in some of an intermediate quality4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i see4 ,,socrates3 ,let us say that this tablet is a gift of ,memory1 the mother of the ,muses2 and that when we wish to remember anything which we have seen1 or heard1 or thought in our own minds1 we hold the wax to the perceptions and thoughts1 and in that material receive the impression of them as from the seal of a ring2 and that we remember and know what is imprinted as long as the image lasts2 but when the image is effaced1 or cannot be taken1 then we forget and do not know4 ,,theaetetus3 ,very good4 ,,socrates3 ,now1 when a person has this knowledge1 and is considering something which he sees or hears1 may not false opinion arise in the following manner8 ,,theaetetus3 ,in what manner8 ,,socrates3 ,when he thinks what he knows1 sometimes to be what he knows1 and sometimes to be what he does not know4 ,we were wrong before in denying the possibility of this4 ,,theaetetus3 ,and how would you amend the former statement8 ,,socrates3 ,i should begin by making a list of the impossible cases which must be excluded4 7#a7 ,no one can think one thing to be another when he does not perceive either of them1 but has the memorial or seal of both of them in his mind2 nor can any mistaking of one thing for another occur1 when he only knows one1 and does not know1 and has no impression of the other2 nor can he think that one thing which he does not know is another thing which he does not know1 or that what he does not know is what he knows2 nor 7#b7 that one thing which he perceives is another thing which he perceives1 or that something which he perceives is something which he does not perceive2 or that something which he does not perceive is something else which he does not perceive2 or that something which he does not perceive is something which he perceives2 nor again 7#c7 can he think that something which he knows and perceives1 and of which he has the impression coinciding with sense1 is something else which he knows and perceives1 and of which he has the impression coinciding with sense2--this last case1 if possible1 is still more inconceivable than the others2 nor 7#d7 can he think that something which he knows and perceives1 and of which he has the memorial coinciding with sense1 is something else which he knows2 nor so long as these agree1 can he think that a thing which he knows and perceives is another thing which he perceives2 or that a thing which he does not know and does not perceive1 is the same as another thing which he does not know and does not perceive2--nor again1 can he suppose that a thing which he does not know and does not perceive is the same as another thing which he does not know2 or that a thing which he does not know and does not perceive is another thing which he does not perceive3--,all these utterly and absolutely exclude the possibility of false opinion4 ,the only cases1 if any1 which remain1 are the following4 ,,theaetetus3 ,what are they8 ,if you tell me1 ,i may perhaps understand you better2 but at present ,i am unable to follow you4 ,,socrates3 ,a person may think that some things which he knows1 or which he perceives and does not know1 are some other things which he knows and perceives2 or that some things which he knows and perceives1 are other things which he knows and perceives4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i understand you less than ever now4 ,,socrates3 ,hear me once more1 then3--,i1 knowing ,theodorus1 and remembering in my own mind what sort of person he is1 and also what sort of person ,theaetetus is1 at one time see them1 and at another time do not see them1 and sometimes ,i touch them1 and at another time not1 or at one time ,i may hear them or perceive them in some other way1 and at another time not perceive them1 but still ,i remember them1 and know them in my own mind4 ,,theaetetus3 ,very true4 ,,socrates3 ,then1 first of all1 ,i want you to understand that a man may or may not perceive sensibly that which he knows4 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,and that which he does not know will sometimes not be perceived by him and sometimes will be perceived and only perceived8 ,,theaetetus3 ,that is also true4 ,,socrates3 ,see whether you can follow me better now3 ,socrates can recognize ,theodorus and ,theaetetus1 but he sees neither of them1 nor does he perceive them in any other way2 he cannot then by any possibility imagine in his own mind that ,theaetetus is ,theodorus4 ,am ,i not right8 ,,theaetetus3 ,you are quite right4 ,,socrates3 ,then that was the first case of which ,i spoke4 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,the second case was1 that ,i1 knowing one of you and not knowing the other1 and perceiving neither1 can never think him whom ,i know to be him whom ,i do not know4 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,in the third case1 not knowing and not perceiving either of you1 ,i cannot think that one of you whom ,i do not know is the other whom ,i do not know4 ,i need not again go over the catalogue of excluded cases1 in which ,i cannot form a false opinion about you and ,theodorus1 either when ,i know both or when ,i am in ignorance of both1 or when ,i know one and not the other4 ,and the same of perceiving3 do you understand me8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i do4 ,,socrates3 ,the only possibility of erroneous opinion is1 when knowing you and ,theodorus1 and having on the waxen block the impression of both of you given as by a seal1 but seeing you imperfectly and at a distance1 ,i try to assign the right impression of memory to the right visual impression1 and to fit this into its own print3 if ,i succeed1 recognition will take place2 but if ,i fail and transpose them1 putting the foot into the wrong shoe--that is to say1 putting the vision of either of you on to the wrong impression1 or if my mind1 like the sight in a mirror1 which is transferred from right to left1 err by reason of some similar affection1 then 'heterodoxy' and false opinion ensues4 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes1 ,socrates1 you have described the nature of opinion with wonderful exactness4 ,,socrates3 ,or again1 when ,i know both of you1 and perceive as well as know one of you1 but not the other1 and my knowledge of him does not accord with perception--that was the case put by me just now which you did not understand4 ,,theaetetus3 ,no1 ,i did not4 ,,socrates3 ,i meant to say1 that when a person knows and perceives one of you1 his knowledge coincides with his perception1 he will never think him to be some other person1 whom he knows and perceives1 and the knowledge of whom coincides with his perception--for that also was a case supposed4 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,but there was an omission of the further case1 in which1 as we now say1 false opinion may arise1 when knowing both1 and seeing1 or having some other sensible perception of both1 ,i fail in holding the seal over against the corresponding sensation2 like a bad archer1 ,i miss and fall wide of the mark--and this is called falsehood4 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes2 it is rightly so called4 ,,socrates3 ,when1 therefore1 perception is present to one of the seals or impressions but not to the other1 and the mind fits the seal of the absent perception on the one which is present1 in any case of this sort the mind is deceived2 in a word1 if our view is sound1 there can be no error or deception about things which a man does not know and has never perceived1 but only in things which are known and perceived2 in these alone opinion turns and twists about1 and becomes alternately true and false2--true when the seals and impressions of sense meet straight and opposite--false when they go awry and crooked4 ,,theaetetus3 ,and is not that1 ,socrates1 nobly said8 ,,socrates3 ,nobly6 yes2 but wait a little and hear the explanation1 and then you will say so with more reason2 for to think truly is noble and to be deceived is base4 ,,theaetetus3 ,undoubtedly4 ,,socrates3 ,and the origin of truth and error is as follows3--,when the wax in the soul of any one is deep and abundant1 and smooth and perfectly tempered1 then the impressions which pass through the senses and sink into the heart of the soul1 as ,homer says in a parable1 meaning to indicate the likeness of the soul to wax 7,kerh ,kerhos72 these1 ,i say1 being pure and clear1 and having a sufficient depth of wax1 are also lasting1 and minds1 such as these1 easily learn and easily retain1 and are not liable to confusion1 but have true thoughts1 for they have plenty of room1 and having clear impressions of things1 as we term them1 quickly distribute them into their proper places on the block4 ,and such men are called wise4 ,do you agree8 ,,theaetetus3 ,entirely4 ,,socrates3 ,but when the heart of any one is shaggy--a quality which the all-wise poet commends1 or muddy and of impure wax1 or very soft1 or very hard1 then there is a corresponding defect in the mind--the soft are good at learning1 but apt to forget2 and the hard are the reverse2 the shaggy and rugged and gritty1 or those who have an admixture of earth or dung in their composition1 have the impressions indistinct1 as also the hard1 for there is no depth in them2 and the soft too are indistinct1 for their impressions are easily confused and effaced4 ,yet greater is the indistinctness when they are all jostled together in a little soul1 which has no room4 ,these are the natures which have false opinion2 for when they see or hear or think of anything1 they are slow in assigning the right objects to the right impressions--in their stupidity they confuse them1 and are apt to see and hear and think amiss--and such men are said to be deceived in their knowledge of objects1 and ignorant4 ,,theaetetus3 ,no man1 ,socrates1 can say anything truer than that4 ,,socrates3 ,then now we may admit the existence of false opinion in us8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,and of true opinion also8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,we have at length satisfactorily proven beyond a doubt there are these two sorts of opinion8 ,,theaetetus3 ,undoubtedly4 ,,socrates3 ,alas1 ,theaetetus1 what a tiresome creature is a man who is fond of talking6 ,,theaetetus3 ,what makes you say so8 ,,socrates3 ,because ,i am disheartened at my own stupidity and tiresome garrulity2 for what other term will describe the habit of a man who is always arguing on all sides of a question2 whose dulness cannot be convinced1 and who will never leave off8 ,,theaetetus3 ,but what puts you out of heart8 ,,socrates3 ,i am not only out of heart1 but in positive despair2 for ,i do not know what to answer if any one were to ask me3--,o ,socrates1 have you indeed discovered that false opinion arises neither in the comparison of perceptions with one another nor yet in thought1 but in union of thought and perception8 ,yes1 ,i shall say1 with the complacence of one who thinks that he has made a noble discovery4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i see no reason why we should be ashamed of our demonstration1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,he will say3 ,you mean to argue that the man whom we only think of and do not see1 cannot be confused with the horse which we do not see or touch1 but only think of and do not perceive8 ,that ,i believe to be my meaning1 ,i shall reply4 ,,theaetetus3 ,quite right4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 then1 he will say1 according to that argument1 the number eleven1 which is only thought1 can never be mistaken for twelve1 which is only thought3 ,how would you answer him8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i should say that a mistake may very likely arise between the eleven or twelve which are seen or handled1 but that no similar mistake can arise between the eleven and twelve which are in the mind4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 but do you think that no one ever put before his own mind five and seven1--,i do not mean five or seven men or horses1 but five or seven in the abstract1 which1 as we say1 are recorded on the waxen block1 and in which false opinion is held to be impossible2 did no man ever ask himself how many these numbers make when added together1 and answer that they are eleven1 while another thinks that they are twelve1 or would all agree in thinking and saying that they are twelve8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly not2 many would think that they are eleven1 and in the higher numbers the chance of error is greater still2 for ,i assume you to be speaking of numbers in general4 ,,socrates3 ,exactly2 and ,i want you to consider whether this does not imply that the twelve in the waxen block are supposed to be eleven8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes1 that seems to be the case4 ,,socrates3 ,then do we not come back to the old difficulty8 ,for he who makes such a mistake does think one thing which he knows to be another thing which he knows2 but this1 as we said1 was impossible1 and afforded an irresistible proof of the non-existence of false opinion1 because otherwise the same person would inevitably know and not know the same thing at the same time4 ,,theaetetus3 ,most true4 ,,socrates3 ,then false opinion cannot be explained as a confusion of thought and sense1 for in that case we could not have been mistaken about pure conceptions of thought2 and thus we are obliged to say1 either that false opinion does not exist1 or that a man may not know that which he knows2--which alternative do you prefer8 ,,theaetetus3 ,it is hard to determine1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,and yet the argument will scarcely admit of both4 ,but1 as we are at our wits' end1 suppose that we do a shameless thing8 ,,theaetetus3 ,what is it8 ,,socrates3 ,let us attempt to explain the verb 'to know4' ,,theaetetus3 ,and why should that be shameless8 ,,socrates3 ,you seem not to be aware that the whole of our discussion from the very beginning has been a search after knowledge1 of which we are assumed not to know the nature4 ,,theaetetus3 ,nay1 but ,i am well aware4 ,,socrates3 ,and is it not shameless when we do not know what knowledge is1 to be explaining the verb 'to know'8 ,the truth is1 ,theaetetus1 that we have long been infected with logical impurity4 ,thousands of times have we repeated the words 'we know1' and 'do not know1' and 'we have or have not science or knowledge1' as if we could understand what we are saying to one another1 so long as we remain ignorant about knowledge2 and at this moment we are using the words 'we understand1' 'we are ignorant1' as though we could still employ them when deprived of knowledge or science4 ,,theaetetus3 ,but if you avoid these expressions1 ,socrates1 how will you ever argue at all8 ,,socrates3 ,i could not1 being the man ,i am4 ,the case would be different if ,i were a true hero of dialectic3 and ,o that such an one were present6 for he would have told us to avoid the use of these terms2 at the same time he would not have spared in you and me the faults which ,i have noted4 ,but1 seeing that we are no great wits1 shall ,i venture to say what knowing is8 for ,i think that the attempt may be worth making4 ,,theaetetus3 ,then by all means venture1 and no one shall find fault with you for using the forbidden terms4 ,,socrates3 ,you have heard the common explanation of the verb 'to know'8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i think so1 but ,i do not remember it at the moment4 ,,socrates3 ,they explain the word 'to know' as meaning 'to have knowledge4' ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,i should like to make a slight change1 and say 'to possess' knowledge4 ,,theaetetus3 ,how do the two expressions differ8 ,,socrates3 ,perhaps there may be no difference2 but still ,i should like you to hear my view1 that you may help me to test it4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i will1 if ,i can4 ,,socrates3 ,i should distinguish 'having' from 'possessing'3 for example1 a man may buy and keep under his control a garment which he does not wear2 and then we should say1 not that he has1 but that he possesses the garment4 ,,theaetetus3 ,it would be the correct expression4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 may not a man 'possess' and yet not 'have' knowledge in the sense of which ,i am speaking8 ,as you may suppose a man to have caught wild birds--doves or any other birds--and to be keeping them in an aviary which he has constructed at home2 we might say of him in one sense1 that he always has them because he possesses them1 might we not8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and yet1 in another sense1 he has none of them2 but they are in his power1 and he has got them under his hand in an enclosure of his own1 and can take and have them whenever he likes2--he can catch any which he likes1 and let the bird go again1 and he may do so as often as he pleases4 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,once more1 then1 as in what preceded we made a sort of waxen figment in the mind1 so let us now suppose that in the mind of each man there is an aviary of all sorts of birds--some flocking together apart from the rest1 others in small groups1 others solitary1 flying anywhere and everywhere4 ,,theaetetus3 ,let us imagine such an aviary--and what is to follow8 ,,socrates3 ,we may suppose that the birds are kinds of knowledge1 and that when we were children1 this receptacle was empty2 whenever a man has gotten and detained in the enclosure a kind of knowledge1 he may be said to have learned or discovered the thing which is the subject of the knowledge3 and this is to know4 ,,theaetetus3 ,granted4 ,,socrates3 ,and further1 when any one wishes to catch any of these knowledges or sciences1 and having taken1 to hold it1 and again to let them go1 how will he express himself8--will he describe the 'catching' of them and the original 'possession' in the same words8 ,i will make my meaning clearer by an example3--,you admit that there is an art of arithmetic8 ,,theaetetus3 ,to be sure4 ,,socrates3 ,conceive this under the form of a hunt after the science of odd and even in general4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i follow4 ,,socrates3 ,having the use of the art1 the arithmetician1 if ,i am not mistaken1 has the conceptions of number under his hand1 and can transmit them to another4 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and when transmitting them he may be said to teach them1 and when receiving to learn them1 and when receiving to learn them1 and when having them in possession in the aforesaid aviary he may be said to know them4 ,,theaetetus3 ,exactly4 ,,socrates3 ,attend to what follows3 must not the perfect arithmetician know all numbers1 for he has the science of all numbers in his mind8 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,and he can reckon abstract numbers in his head1 or things about him which are numerable8 ,,theaetetus3 ,of course he can4 ,,socrates3 ,and to reckon is simply to consider how much such and such a number amounts to8 ,,theaetetus3 ,very true4 ,,socrates3 ,and so he appears to be searching into something which he knows1 as if he did not know it1 for we have already admitted that he knows all numbers2--you have heard these perplexing questions raised8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i have4 ,,socrates3 ,may we not pursue the image of the doves1 and say that the chase after knowledge is of two kinds8 one kind is prior to possession and for the sake of possession1 and the other for the sake of taking and holding in the hands that which is possessed already4 ,and thus1 when a man has learned and known something long ago1 he may resume and get hold of the knowledge which he has long possessed1 but has not at hand in his mind4 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,that was my reason for asking how we ought to speak when an arithmetician sets about numbering1 or a grammarian about reading8 ,shall we say1 that although he knows1 he comes back to himself to learn what he already knows8 ,,theaetetus3 ,it would be too absurd1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,shall we say then that he is going to read or number what he does not know1 although we have admitted that he knows all letters and all numbers8 ,,theaetetus3 ,that1 again1 would be an absurdity4 ,,socrates3 ,then shall we say that about names we care nothing8--any one may twist and turn the words 'knowing' and 'learning' in any way which he likes1 but since we have determined that the possession of knowledge is not the having or using it1 we do assert that a man cannot not possess that which he possesses2 and1 therefore1 in no case can a man not know that which he knows1 but he may get a false opinion about it2 for he may have the knowledge1 not of this particular thing1 but of some other2--when the various numbers and forms of knowledge are flying about in the aviary1 and wishing to capture a certain sort of knowledge out of the general store1 he takes the wrong one by mistake1 that is to say1 when he thought eleven to be twelve1 he got hold of the ring-dove which he had in his mind1 when he wanted the pigeon4 ,,theaetetus3 ,a very rational explanation4 ,,socrates3 ,but when he catches the one which he wants1 then he is not deceived1 and has an opinion of what is1 and thus false and true opinion may exist1 and the difficulties which were previously raised disappear4 ,i dare say that you agree with me1 do you not8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and so we are rid of the difficulty of a man's not knowing what he knows1 for we are not driven to the inference that he does not possess what he possesses1 whether he be or be not deceived4 ,and yet ,i fear that a greater difficulty is looking in at the window4 ,,theaetetus3 ,what is it8 ,,socrates3 ,how can the exchange of one knowledge for another ever become false opinion8 ,,theaetetus3 ,what do you mean8 ,,socrates3 ,in the first place1 how can a man who has the knowledge of anything be ignorant of that which he knows1 not by reason of ignorance1 but by reason of his own knowledge8 ,and1 again1 is it not an extreme absurdity that he should suppose another thing to be this1 and this to be another thing2--that1 having knowledge present with him in his mind1 he should still know nothing and be ignorant of all things8--you might as well argue that ignorance may make a man know1 and blindness make him see1 as that knowledge can make him ignorant4 ,,theaetetus3 ,perhaps1 ,socrates1 we may have been wrong in making only forms of knowledge our birds3 whereas there ought to have been forms of ignorance as well1 flying about together in the mind1 and then he who sought to take one of them might sometimes catch a form of knowledge1 and sometimes a form of ignorance2 and thus he would have a false opinion from ignorance1 but a true one from knowledge1 about the same thing4 ,,socrates3 ,i cannot help praising you1 ,theaetetus1 and yet ,i must beg you to reconsider your words4 ,let us grant what you say--then1 according to you1 he who takes ignorance will have a false opinion--am ,i right8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,he will certainly not think that he has a false opinion8 ,,theaetetus3 ,of course not4 ,,socrates3 ,he will think that his opinion is true1 and he will fancy that he knows the things about which he has been deceived8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,then he will think that he has captured knowledge and not ignorance8 ,,theaetetus3 ,clearly4 ,,socrates3 ,and thus1 after going a long way round1 we are once more face to face with our original difficulty4 ,the hero of dialectic will retort upon us3--',o my excellent friends1 he will say1 laughing1 if a man knows the form of ignorance and the form of knowledge1 can he think that one of them which he knows is the other which he knows8 or1 if he knows neither of them1 can he think that the one which he knows not is another which he knows not8 or1 if he knows one and not the other1 can he think the one which he knows to be the one which he does not know8 or the one which he does not know to be the one which he knows8 or will you tell me that there are other forms of knowledge which distinguish the right and wrong birds1 and which the owner keeps in some other aviaries or graven on waxen blocks according to your foolish images1 and which he may be said to know while he possesses them1 even though he have them not at hand in his mind8 ,and thus1 in a perpetual circle1 you will be compelled to go round and round1 and you will make no progress4' ,what are we to say in reply1 ,theaetetus8 ,,theaetetus3 ,indeed1 ,socrates1 ,i do not know what we are to say4 ,,socrates3 ,are not his reproaches just1 and does not the argument truly show that we are wrong in seeking for false opinion until we know what knowledge is2 that must be first ascertained2 then1 the nature of false opinion8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i cannot but agree with you1 ,socrates1 so far as we have yet gone4 ,,socrates3 ,then1 once more1 what shall we say that knowledge is8--for we are not going to lose heart as yet4 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly1 ,i shall not lose heart1 if you do not4 ,,socrates3 ,what definition will be most consistent with our former views8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i cannot think of any but our old one1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,what was it8 ,,theaetetus3 ,knowledge was said by us to be true opinion2 and true opinion is surely unerring1 and the results which follow from it are all noble and good4 ,,socrates3 ,he who led the way into the river1 ,theaetetus1 said ',the experiment will show2' and perhaps if we go forward in the search1 we may stumble upon the thing which we are looking for2 but if we stay where we are1 nothing will come to light4 ,,theaetetus3 ,very true2 let us go forward and try4 ,,socrates3 ,the trail soon comes to an end1 for a whole profession is against us4 ,,theaetetus3 ,how is that1 and what profession do you mean8 ,,socrates3 ,the profession of the great wise ones who are called orators and lawyers2 for these persuade men by their art and make them think whatever they like1 but they do not teach them4 ,do you imagine that there are any teachers in the world so clever as to be able to convince others of the truth about acts of robbery or violence1 of which they were not eye-witnesses1 while a little water is flowing in the clepsydra8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly not1 they can only persuade them4 ,,socrates3 ,and would you not say that persuading them is making them have an opinion8 ,,theaetetus3 ,to be sure4 ,,socrates3 ,when1 therefore1 judges are justly persuaded about matters which you can know only by seeing them1 and not in any other way1 and when thus judging of them from report they attain a true opinion about them1 they judge without knowledge1 and yet are rightly persuaded1 if they have judged well4 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,and yet1 ,o my friend1 if true opinion in law courts and knowledge are the same1 the perfect judge could not have judged rightly without knowledge2 and therefore ,i must infer that they are not the same4 ,,theaetetus3 ,that is a distinction1 ,socrates1 which ,i have heard made by some one else1 but ,i had forgotten it4 ,he said that true opinion1 combined with reason1 was knowledge1 but that the opinion which had no reason was out of the sphere of knowledge2 and that things of which there is no rational account are not knowable--such was the singular expression which he used--and that things which have a reason or explanation are knowable4 ,,socrates3 ,excellent2 but then1 how did he distinguish between things which are and are not 'knowable'8 ,i wish that you would repeat to me what he said1 and then ,i shall know whether you and ,i have heard the same tale4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i do not know whether ,i can recall it2 but if another person would tell me1 ,i think that ,i could follow him4 ,,socrates3 ,let me give you1 then1 a dream in return for a dream3--,methought that ,i too had a dream1 and ,i heard in my dream that the primeval letters or elements out of which you and ,i and all other things are compounded1 have no reason or explanation2 you can only name them1 but no predicate can be either affirmed or denied of them1 for in the one case existence1 in the other non-existence is already implied1 neither of which must be added1 if you mean to speak of this or that thing by itself alone4 ,it should not be called itself1 or that1 or each1 or alone1 or this1 or the like2 for these go about everywhere and are applied to all things1 but are distinct from them2 whereas1 if the first elements could be described1 and had a definition of their own1 they would be spoken of apart from all else4 ,but none of these primeval elements can be defined2 they can only be named1 for they have nothing but a name1 and the things which are compounded of them1 as they are complex1 are expressed by a combination of names1 for the combination of names is the essence of a definition4 ,thus1 then1 the elements or letters are only objects of perception1 and cannot be defined or known2 but the syllables or combinations of them are known and expressed1 and are apprehended by true opinion4 ,when1 therefore1 any one forms the true opinion of anything without rational explanation1 you may say that his mind is truly exercised1 but has no knowledge2 for he who cannot give and receive a reason for a thing1 has no knowledge of that thing2 but when he adds rational explanation1 then1 he is perfected in knowledge and may be all that ,i have been denying of him4 ,was that the form in which the dream appeared to you8 ,,theaetetus3 ,precisely4 ,,socrates3 ,and you allow and maintain that true opinion1 combined with definition or rational explanation1 is knowledge8 ,,theaetetus3 ,exactly4 ,,socrates3 ,then may we assume1 ,theaetetus1 that to-day1 and in this casual manner1 we have found a truth which in former times many wise men have grown old and have not found8 ,,theaetetus3 ,at any rate1 ,socrates1 ,i am satisfied with the present statement4 ,,socrates3 ,which is probably correct--for how can there be knowledge apart from definition and true opinion8 ,and yet there is one point in what has been said which does not quite satisfy me4 ,,theaetetus3 ,what was it8 ,,socrates3 ,what might seem to be the most ingenious notion of all3--,that the elements or letters are unknown1 but the combination or syllables known4 ,,theaetetus3 ,and was that wrong8 ,,socrates3 ,we shall soon know2 for we have as hostages the instances which the author of the argument himself used4 ,,theaetetus3 ,what hostages8 ,,socrates3 ,the letters1 which are the clements2 and the syllables1 which are the combinations2--he reasoned1 did he not1 from the letters of the alphabet8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes2 he did4 ,,socrates3 ,let us take them and put them to the test1 or rather1 test ourselves3--,what was the way in which we learned letters8 and1 first of all1 are we right in saying that syllables have a definition1 but that letters have no definition8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i think so4 ,,socrates3 ,i think so too2 for1 suppose that some one asks you to spell the first syllable of my name3--,theaetetus1 he says1 what is ,,so8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i should reply ,s and ,o4 ,,socrates3 ,that is the definition which you would give of the syllable8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i should4 ,,socrates3 ,i wish that you would give me a similar definition of the ,s4 ,,theaetetus3 ,but how can any one1 ,socrates1 tell the elements of an element8 ,i can only reply1 that ,s is a consonant1 a mere noise1 as of the tongue hissing2 ,b1 and most other letters1 again1 are neither vowel-sounds nor noises4 ,thus letters may be most truly said to be undefined2 for even the most distinct of them1 which are the seven vowels1 have a sound only1 but no definition at all4 ,,socrates3 ,then1 ,i suppose1 my friend1 that we have been so far right in our idea about knowledge8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes2 ,i think that we have4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 but have we been right in maintaining that the syllables can be known1 but not the letters8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i think so4 ,,socrates3 ,and do we mean by a syllable two letters1 or if there are more1 all of them1 or a single idea which arises out of the combination of them8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i should say that we mean all the letters4 ,,socrates3 ,take the case of the two letters ,s and ,o1 which form the first syllable of my own name2 must not he who knows the syllable1 know both of them8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,he knows1 that is1 the ,s and ,o8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,but can he be ignorant of either singly and yet know both together8 ,,theaetetus3 ,such a supposition1 ,socrates1 is monstrous and unmeaning4 ,,socrates3 ,but if he cannot know both without knowing each1 then if he is ever to know the syllable1 he must know the letters first2 and thus the fine theory has again taken wings and departed4 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes1 with wonderful celerity4 ,,socrates3 ,yes1 we did not keep watch properly4 ,perhaps we ought to have maintained that a syllable is not the letters1 but rather one single idea framed out of them1 having a separate form distinct from them4 ,,theaetetus3 ,very true2 and a more likely notion than the other4 ,,socrates3 ,take care2 let us not be cowards and betray a great and imposing theory4 ,,theaetetus3 ,no1 indeed4 ,,socrates3 ,let us assume then1 as we now say1 that the syllable is a simple form arising out of the several combinations of harmonious elements--of letters or of any other elements4 ,,theaetetus3 ,very good4 ,,socrates3 ,and it must have no parts4 ,,theaetetus3 ,why8 ,,socrates3 ,because that which has parts must be a whole of all the parts4 ,or would you say that a whole1 although formed out of the parts1 is a single notion different from all the parts8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i should4 ,,socrates3 ,and would you say that all and the whole are the same1 or different8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i am not certain2 but1 as you like me to answer at once1 ,i shall hazard the reply1 that they are different4 ,,socrates3 ,i approve of your readiness1 ,theaetetus1 but ,i must take time to think whether ,i equally approve of your answer4 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes2 the answer is the point4 ,,socrates3 ,according to this new view1 the whole is supposed to differ from all8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 but is there any difference between all 7in the plural7 and the all 7in the singular78 ,take the case of number3--,when we say one1 two1 three1 four1 five1 six2 or when we say twice three1 or three times two1 or four and two1 or three and two and one1 are we speaking of the same or of different numbers8 ,,theaetetus3 ,of the same4 ,,socrates3 ,that is of six8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and in each form of expression we spoke of all the six8 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,again1 in speaking of all 7in the plural7 is there not one thing which we express8 ,,theaetetus3 ,of course there is4 ,,socrates3 ,and that is six8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,then in predicating the word 'all' of things measured by number1 we predicate at the same time a singular and a plural8 ,,theaetetus3 ,clearly we do4 ,,socrates3 ,again1 the number of the acre and the acre are the same2 are they not8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and the number of the stadium in like manner is the stadium8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and the army is the number of the army2 and in all similar cases1 the entire number of anything is the entire thing8 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,and the number of each is the parts of each8 ,,theaetetus3 ,exactly4 ,,socrates3 ,then as many things as have parts are made up of parts8 ,,theaetetus3 ,clearly4 ,,socrates3 ,but all the parts are admitted to be the all1 if the entire number is the all8 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,then the whole is not made up of parts1 for it would be the all1 if consisting of all the parts8 ,,theaetetus3 ,that is the inference4 ,,socrates3 ,but is a part a part of anything but the whole8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes1 of the all4 ,,socrates3 ,you make a valiant defence1 ,theaetetus4 ,and yet is not the all that of which nothing is wanting8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,and is not a whole likewise that from which nothing is absent8 but that from which anything is absent is neither a whole nor all2--if wanting in anything1 both equally lose their entirety of nature4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i now think that there is no difference between a whole and all4 ,,socrates3 ,but were we not saying that when a thing has parts1 all the parts will be a whole and all8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,then1 as ,i was saying before1 must not the alternative be that either the syllable is not the letters1 and then the letters are not parts of the syllable1 or that the syllable will be the same with the letters1 and will therefore be equally known with them8 ,,theaetetus3 ,you are right4 ,,socrates3 ,and1 in order to avoid this1 we suppose it to be different from them8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,but if letters are not parts of syllables1 can you tell me of any other parts of syllables1 which are not letters8 ,,theaetetus3 ,no1 indeed1 ,socrates2 for if ,i admit the existence of parts in a syllable1 it would be ridiculous in me to give up letters and seek for other parts4 ,,socrates3 ,quite true1 ,theaetetus1 and therefore1 according to our present view1 a syllable must surely be some indivisible form8 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,but do you remember1 my friend1 that only a little while ago we admitted and approved the statement1 that of the first elements out of which all other things are compounded there could be no definition1 because each of them when taken by itself is uncompounded2 nor can one rightly attribute to them the words 'being' or 'this1' because they are alien and inappropriate words1 and for this reason the letters or elements were indefinable and unknown8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i remember4 ,,socrates3 ,and is not this also the reason why they are simple and indivisible8 ,i can see no other4 ,,theaetetus3 ,no other reason can be given4 ,,socrates3 ,then is not the syllable in the same case as the elements or letters1 if it has no parts and is one form8 ,,theaetetus3 ,to be sure4 ,,socrates3 ,if1 then1 a syllable is a whole1 and has many parts or letters1 the letters as well as the syllable must be intelligible and expressible1 since all the parts are acknowledged to be the same as the whole8 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,but if it be one and indivisible1 then the syllables and the letters are alike undefined and unknown1 and for the same reason8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i cannot deny that4 ,,socrates3 ,we cannot1 therefore1 agree in the opinion of him who says that the syllable can be known and expressed1 but not the letters4 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly not2 if we may trust the argument4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 but will you not be equally inclined to disagree with him1 when you remember your own experience in learning to read8 ,,theaetetus3 ,what experience8 ,,socrates3 ,why1 that in learning you were kept trying to distinguish the separate letters both by the eye and by the ear1 in order that1 when you heard them spoken or saw them written1 you might not be confused by their position4 ,,theaetetus3 ,very true4 ,,socrates3 ,and is the education of the harp-player complete unless he can tell what string answers to a particular note2 the notes1 as every one would allow1 are the elements or letters of music8 ,,theaetetus3 ,exactly4 ,,socrates3 ,then1 if we argue from the letters and syllables which we know to other simples and compounds1 we shall say that the letters or simple elements as a class are much more certainly known than the syllables1 and much more indispensable to a perfect knowledge of any subject2 and if some one says that the syllable is known and the letter unknown1 we shall consider that either intentionally or unintentionally he is talking nonsense8 ,,theaetetus3 ,exactly4 ,,socrates3 ,and there might be given other proofs of this belief1 if ,i am not mistaken4 ,but do not let us in looking for them lose sight of the question before us1 which is the meaning of the statement1 that right opinion with rational definition or explanation is the most perfect form of knowledge4 ,,theaetetus3 ,we must not4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 and what is the meaning of the term 'explanation'8 ,i think that we have a choice of three meanings4 ,,theaetetus3 ,what are they8 ,,socrates3 ,in the first place1 the meaning may be1 manifesting one's thought by the voice with verbs and nouns1 imaging an opinion in the stream which flows from the lips1 as in a mirror or water4 ,does not explanation appear to be of this nature8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly2 he who so manifests his thought1 is said to explain himself4 ,,socrates3 ,and every one who is not born deaf or dumb is able sooner or later to manifest what he thinks of anything2 and if so1 all those who have a right opinion about anything will also have right explanation2 nor will right opinion be anywhere found to exist apart from knowledge4 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,let us not1 therefore1 hastily charge him who gave this account of knowledge with uttering an unmeaning word2 for perhaps he only intended to say1 that when a person was asked what was the nature of anything1 he should be able to answer his questioner by giving the elements of the thing4 ,,theaetetus3 ,as for example1 ,socrates4448 ,,socrates3 ,as1 for example1 when ,hesiod says that a waggon is made up of a hundred planks4 ,now1 neither you nor ,i could describe all of them individually2 but if any one asked what is a waggon1 we should be content to answer1 that a waggon consists of wheels1 axle1 body1 rims1 yoke4 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,and our opponent will probably laugh at us1 just as he would if we professed to be grammarians and to give a grammatical account of the name of ,theaetetus1 and yet could only tell the syllables and not the letters of your name--that would be true opinion1 and not knowledge2 for knowledge1 as has been already remarked1 is not attained until1 combined with true opinion1 there is an enumeration of the elements out of which anything is composed4 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,in the same general way1 we might also have true opinion about a waggon2 but he who can describe its essence by an enumeration of the hundred planks1 adds rational explanation to true opinion1 and instead of opinion has art and knowledge of the nature of a waggon1 in that he attains to the whole through the elements4 ,,theaetetus3 ,and do you not agree in that view1 ,socrates8 ,,socrates3 ,if you do1 my friend2 but ,i want to know first1 whether you admit the resolution of all things into their elements to be a rational explanation of them1 and the consideration of them in syllables or larger combinations of them to be irrational--is this your view8 ,,theaetetus3 ,precisely4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 and do you conceive that a man has knowledge of any element who at one time affirms and at another time denies that element of something1 or thinks that the same thing is composed of different elements at different times8 ,,theaetetus3 ,assuredly not4 ,,socrates3 ,and do you not remember that in your case and in that of others this often occurred in the process of learning to read8 ,,theaetetus3 ,you mean that ,i mistook the letters and misspelt the syllables8 ,,socrates3 ,yes4 ,,theaetetus3 ,to be sure2 ,i perfectly remember1 and ,i am very far from supposing that they who are in this condition have knowledge4 ,,socrates3 ,when a person at the time of learning writes the name of ,theaetetus1 and thinks that he ought to write and does write ,th and e2 but1 again1 meaning to write the name of ,theododorus1 thinks that he ought to write and does write ,t and e--can we suppose that he knows the first syllables of your two names8 ,,theaetetus3 ,we have already admitted that such a one has not yet attained knowledge4 ,,socrates3 ,and in like manner be may enumerate without knowing them the second and third and fourth syllables of your name8 ,,theaetetus3 ,he may4 ,,socrates3 ,and in that case1 when he knows the order of the letters and can write them out correctly1 he has right opinion8 ,,theaetetus3 ,clearly4 ,,socrates3 ,but although we admit that he has right opinion1 he will still be without knowledge8 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and yet he will have explanation1 as well as right opinion1 for he knew the order of the letters when he wrote2 and this we admit to be explanation4 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,then1 my friend1 there is such a thing as right opinion united with definition or explanation1 which does not as yet attain to the exactness of knowledge4 ,,theaetetus3 ,it would seem so4 ,,socrates3 ,and what we fancied to be a perfect definition of knowledge is a dream only4 ,but perhaps we had better not say so as yet1 for were there not three explanations of knowledge1 one of which must1 as we said1 be adopted by him who maintains knowledge to be true opinion combined with rational explanation8 ,and very likely there may be found some one who will not prefer this but the third4 ,,theaetetus3 ,you are quite right2 there is still one remaining4 ,the first was the image or expression of the mind in speech2 the second1 which has just been mentioned1 is a way of reaching the whole by an enumeration of the elements4 ,but what is the third definition8 ,,socrates3 ,there is1 further1 the popular notion of telling the mark or sign of difference which distinguishes the thing in question from all others4 ,,theaetetus3 ,can you give me any example of such a definition8 ,,socrates3 ,as1 for example1 in the case of the sun1 ,i think that you would be contented with the statement that the sun is the brightest of the heavenly bodies which revolve about the earth4 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,understand why3--the reason is1 as ,i was just now saying1 that if you get at the difference and distinguishing characteristic of each thing1 then1 as many persons affirm1 you will get at the definition or explanation of it2 but while you lay hold only of the common and not of the characteristic notion1 you will only have the definition of those things to which this common quality belongs4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i understand you1 and your account of definition is in my judgment correct4 ,,socrates3 ,but he1 who having right opinion about anything1 can find out the difference which distinguishes it from other things will know that of which before he had only an opinion4 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes2 that is what we are maintaining4 ,,socrates3 ,nevertheless1 ,theaetetus1 on a nearer view1 ,i find myself quite disappointed2 the picture1 which at a distance was not so bad1 has now become altogether unintelligible4 ,,theaetetus3 ,what do you mean8 ,,socrates3 ,i will endeavour to explain3 ,i will suppose myself to have true opinion of you1 and if to this ,i add your definition1 then ,i have knowledge1 but if not1 opinion only4 ,,theaetetus3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,the definition was assumed to be the interpretation of your difference4 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,but when ,i had only opinion1 ,i had no conception of your distinguishing characteristics4 ,,theaetetus3 ,i suppose not4 ,,socrates3 ,then ,i must have conceived of some general or common nature which no more belonged to you than to another4 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,tell me1 now--,how in that case could ,i have formed a judgment of you any more than of any one else8 ,suppose that ,i imagine ,theaetetus to be a man who has nose1 eyes1 and mouth1 and every other member complete2 how would that enable me to distinguish ,theaetetus from ,theodorus1 or from some outer barbarian8 ,,theaetetus3 ,how could it8 ,,socrates3 ,or if ,i had further conceived of you1 not only as having nose and eyes1 but as having a snub nose and prominent eyes1 should ,i have any more notion of you than of myself and others who resemble me8 ,,theaetetus3 ,certainly not4 ,,socrates3 ,surely ,i can have no conception of ,theaetetus until your snub-nosedness has left an impression on my mind different from the snub-nosedness of all others whom ,i have ever seen1 and until your other peculiarities have a like distinctness2 and so when ,i meet you to-morrow the right opinion will be re-called8 ,,theaetetus3 ,most true4 ,,socrates3 ,then right opinion implies the perception of differences8 ,,theaetetus3 ,clearly4 ,,socrates3 ,what1 then1 shall we say of adding reason or explanation to right opinion8 ,if the meaning is1 that we should form an opinion of the way in which something differs from another thing1 the proposal is ridiculous4 ,,theaetetus3 ,how so8 ,,socrates3 ,we are supposed to acquire a right opinion of the differences which distinguish one thing from another when we have already a right opinion of them1 and so we go round and round3--the revolution of the scytal1 or pestle1 or any other rotatory machine1 in the same circles1 is as nothing compared with such a requirement2 and we may be truly described as the blind directing the blind2 for to add those things which we already have1 in order that we may learn what we already think1 is like a soul utterly benighted4 ,,theaetetus3 ,tell me2 what were you going to say just now1 when you asked the question8 ,,socrates3 ,if1 my boy1 the argument1 in speaking of adding the definition1 had used the word to 'know1' and not merely 'have an opinion' of the difference1 this which is the most promising of all the definitions of knowledge would have come to a pretty end1 for to know is surely to acquire knowledge4 ,,theaetetus3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,and so1 when the question is asked1 ,what is knowledge8 this fair argument will answer ',right opinion with knowledge1'--knowledge1 that is1 of difference1 for this1 as the said argument maintains1 is adding the definition4 ,,theaetetus3 ,that seems to be true4 ,,socrates3 ,but how utterly foolish1 when we are asking what is knowledge1 that the reply should only be1 right opinion with knowledge of difference or of anything6 ,and so1 ,theaetetus1 knowledge is neither sensation nor true opinion1 nor yet definition and explanation accompanying and added to true opinion8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i suppose not4 ,,socrates3 ,and are you still in labour and travail1 my dear friend1 or have you brought all that you have to say about knowledge to the birth8 ,,theaetetus3 ,i am sure1 ,socrates1 that you have elicited from me a good deal more than ever was in me4 ,,socrates3 ,and does not my art show that you have brought forth wind1 and that the offspring of your brain are not worth bringing up8 ,,theaetetus3 ,very true4 ,,socrates3 ,but if1 ,theaetetus1 you should ever conceive afresh1 you will be all the better for the present investigation1 and if not1 you will be soberer and humbler and gentler to other men1 and will be too modest to fancy that you know what you do not know4 ,these are the limits of my art2 ,i can no further go1 nor do ,i know aught of the things which great and famous men know or have known in this or former ages4 ,the office of a midwife ,i1 like my mother1 have received from ,god2 she delivered women1 ,i deliver men2 but they must be young and noble and fair4 ,and now ,i have to go to the porch of the ,king ,archon1 where ,i am to meet ,meletus and his indictment4 ,to-morrow morning1 ,theodorus1 ,i shall hope to see you again at this place4