,,euthyphro ,by ,plato ,translated by ,benjamin ,jowett ,,introduction4 ,in the ,meno1 ,anytus had parted from ,socrates with the significant words3 ',that in any city1 and particularly in the city of ,athens1 it is easier to do men harm than to do them good2' and ,socrates was anticipating another opportunity of talking with him4 ,in the ,euthyphro1 ,socrates is awaiting his trial for impiety4 ,but before the trial begins1 ,plato would like to put the world on their trial1 and convince them of ignorance in that very matter touching which ,socrates is accused4 ,an incident which may perhaps really have occurred in the family of ,euthyphro1 a learned ,athenian diviner and soothsayer1 furnishes the occasion of the discussion4 ,this ,euthyphro and ,socrates are represented as meeting in the porch of the ,king ,archon4 7,compare ,theaet47 ,both have legal business in hand4 ,socrates is defendant in a suit for impiety which ,meletus has brought against him 7it is remarked by the way that he is not a likely man himself to have brought a suit against another72 and ,euthyphro too is plaintiff in an action for murder1 which he has brought against his own father4 ,the latter has originated in the following manner3--,a poor dependant of the family had slain one of their domestic slaves in ,naxos4 ,the guilty person was bound and thrown into a ditch by the command of ,euthyphro's father1 who sent to the interpreters of religion at ,athens to ask what should be done with him4 ,before the messenger came back the criminal had died from hunger and exposure4 ,this is the origin of the charge of murder which ,euthyphro brings against his father4 ,socrates is confident that before he could have undertaken the responsibility of such a prosecution1 he must have been perfectly informed of the nature of piety and impiety2 and as he is going to be tried for impiety himself1 he thinks that he cannot do better than learn of ,euthyphro 7who will be admitted by everybody1 including the judges1 to be an unimpeachable authority7 what piety is1 and what is impiety4 ,what then is piety8 ,euthyphro1 who1 in the abundance of his knowledge1 is very willing to undertake all the responsibility1 replies3 ,that piety is doing as ,i do1 prosecuting your father 7if he is guilty7 on a charge of murder2 doing as the gods do--as ,zeus did to ,cronos1 and ,cronos to ,uranus4 ,socrates has a dislike to these tales of mythology1 and he fancies that this dislike of his may be the reason why he is charged with impiety4 ',are they really true8' ',yes1 they are2' and ,euthyphro will gladly tell ,socrates some more of them4 ,but ,socrates would like first of all to have a more satisfactory answer to the question1 ',what is piety8' ',doing as ,i do1 charging a father with murder1' may be a single instance of piety1 but can hardly be regarded as a general definition4 ,euthyphro replies1 that ',piety is what is dear to the gods1 and impiety is what is not dear to them4' ,but may there not be differences of opinion1 as among men1 so also among the gods8 ,especially1 about good and evil1 which have no fixed rule2 and these are precisely the sort of differences which give rise to quarrels4 ,and therefore what may be dear to one god may not be dear to another1 and the same action may be both pious and impious2 e4g4 your chastisement of your father1 ,euthyphro1 may be dear or pleasing to ,zeus 7who inflicted a similar chastisement on his own father71 but not equally pleasing to ,cronos or ,uranus 7who suffered at the hands of their sons74 ,euthyphro answers that there is no difference of opinion1 either among gods or men1 as to the propriety of punishing a murderer4 ,yes1 rejoins ,socrates1 when they know him to be a murderer2 but you are assuming the point at issue4 ,if all the circumstances of the case are considered1 are you able to show that your father was guilty of murder1 or that all the gods are agreed in approving of our prosecution of him8 ,and must you not allow that what is hated by one god may be liked by another8 ,waiving this last1 however1 ,socrates proposes to amend the definition1 and say that 'what all the gods love is pious1 and what they all hate is impious4' ,to this ,euthyphro agrees4 ,socrates proceeds to analyze the new form of the definition4 ,he shows that in other cases the act precedes the state2 e4g4 the act of being carried1 loved1 etc4 precedes the state of being carried1 loved1 etc41 and therefore that which is dear to the gods is dear to the gods because it is first loved of them1 not loved of them because it is dear to them4 ,but the pious or holy is loved by the gods because it is pious or holy1 which is equivalent to saying1 that it is loved by them because it is dear to them4 ,here then appears to be a contradiction1--,euthyphro has been giving an attribute or accident of piety only1 and not the essence4 ,euthyphro acknowledges himself that his explanations seem to walk away or go round in a circle1 like the moving figures of ,daedalus1 the ancestor of ,socrates1 who has communicated his art to his descendants4 ,socrates1 who is desirous of stimulating the indolent intelligence of ,euthyphro1 raises the question in another manner3 ',is all the pious just8' ',yes4' ',is all the just pious8' ',no4' ',then what part of justice is piety8' ,euthyphro replies that piety is that part of justice which 'attends' to the gods1 as there is another part of justice which 'attends' to men4 ,but what is the meaning of 'attending' to the gods8 ,the word 'attending1' when applied to dogs1 horses1 and men1 implies that in some way they are made better4 ,but how do pious or holy acts make the gods any better8 ,euthyphro explains that he means by pious acts1 acts of service or ministration4 ,yes2 but the ministrations of the husbandman1 the physician1 and the builder have an end4 ,to what end do we serve the gods1 and what do we help them to accomplish8 ,euthyphro replies1 that all these difficult questions cannot be resolved in a short time2 and he would rather say simply that piety is knowing how to please the gods in word and deed1 by prayers and sacrifices4 ,in other words1 says ,socrates1 piety is 'a science of asking and giving'--asking what we want and giving what they want2 in short1 a mode of doing business between gods and men4 ,but although they are the givers of all good1 how can we give them any good in return8 ',nay1 but we give them honour4' ,then we give them not what is beneficial1 but what is pleasing or dear to them2 and this is the point which has been already disproved4 ,socrates1 although weary of the subterfuges and evasions of ,euthyphro1 remains unshaken in his conviction that he must know the nature of piety1 or he would never have prosecuted his old father4 ,he is still hoping that he will condescend to instruct him4 ,but ,euthyphro is in a hurry and cannot stay4 ,and ,socrates' last hope of knowing the nature of piety before he is prosecuted for impiety has disappeared4 ,as in the ,euthydemus the irony is carried on to the end4 ,the ,euthyphro is manifestly designed to contrast the real nature of piety and impiety with the popular conceptions of them4 ,but when the popular conceptions of them have been overthrown1 ,socrates does not offer any definition of his own3 as in the ,laches and ,lysis1 he prepares the way for an answer to the question which he has raised2 but true to his own character1 refuses to answer himself4 ,euthyphro is a religionist1 and is elsewhere spoken of1 if he be the same person1 as the author of a philosophy of names1 by whose 'prancing steeds' ,socrates in the ,cratylus is carried away4 ,he has the conceit and self-confidence of a ,sophist2 no doubt that he is right in prosecuting his father has ever entered into his mind4 ,like a ,sophist too1 he is incapable either of framing a general definition or of following the course of an argument4 ,his wrong-headedness1 one-sidedness1 narrowness1 positiveness1 are characteristic of his priestly office4 ,his failure to apprehend an argument may be compared to a similar defect which is observable in the rhapsode ,ion4 ,but he is not a bad man1 and he is friendly to ,socrates1 whose familiar sign he recognizes with interest4 ,though unable to follow him he is very willing to be led by him1 and eagerly catches at any suggestion which saves him from the trouble of thinking4 ,moreover he is the enemy of ,meletus1 who1 as he says1 is availing himself of the popular dislike to innovations in religion in order to injure ,socrates2 at the same time he is amusingly confident that he has weapons in his own armoury which would be more than a match for him4 ,he is quite sincere in his prosecution of his father1 who has accidentally been guilty of homicide1 and is not wholly free from blame4 ,to purge away the crime appears to him in the light of a duty1 whoever may be the criminal4 ,thus begins the contrast between the religion of the letter1 or of the narrow and unenlightened conscience1 and the higher notion of religion which ,socrates vainly endeavours to elicit from him4 ',piety is doing as ,i do' is the idea of religion which first occurs to him1 and to many others who do not say what they think with equal frankness4 ,for men are not easily persuaded that any other religion is better than their own2 or that other nations1 e4g4 the ,greeks in the time of ,socrates1 were equally serious in their religious beliefs and difficulties4 ,the chief difference between us and them is1 that they were slowly learning what we are in process of forgetting4 ,greek mythology hardly admitted of the distinction between accidental homicide and murder3 that the pollution of blood was the same in both cases is also the feeling of the ,athenian diviner4 ,he had not as yet learned the lesson1 which philosophy was teaching1 that ,homer and ,hesiod1 if not banished from the state1 or whipped out of the assembly1 as ,heracleitus more rudely proposed1 at any rate were not to be appealed to as authorities in religion2 and he is ready to defend his conduct by the examples of the gods4 ,these are the very tales which ,socrates cannot abide2 and his dislike of them1 as he suspects1 has branded him with the reputation of impiety4 ,here is one answer to the question1 ',why ,socrates was put to death1' suggested by the way4 ,another is conveyed in the words1 ',the ,athenians do not care about any man being thought wise until he begins to make other men wise2 and then for some reason or other they are angry3' which may be said to be the rule of popular toleration in most other countries1 and not at ,athens only4 ,in the course of the argument ,socrates remarks that the controversial nature of morals and religion arises out of the difficulty of verifying them4 ,there is no measure or standard to which they can be referred4 ,the next definition1 ',piety is that which is loved of the gods1' is shipwrecked on a refined distinction between the state and the act1 corresponding respectively to the adjective 7philon7 and the participle 7philoumenon71 or rather perhaps to the participle and the verb 7philoumenon and phileitai74 ,the act is prior to the state 7as in ,aristotle the energeia precedes the dunamis72 and the state of being loved is preceded by the act of being loved4 ,but piety or holiness is preceded by the act of being pious1 not by the act of being loved2 and therefore piety and the state of being loved are different4 ,through such subtleties of dialectic ,socrates is working his way into a deeper region of thought and feeling4 ,he means to say that the words 'loved of the gods' express an attribute only1 and not the essence of piety4 ,then follows the third and last definition1 ',piety is a part of justice4' ,thus far ,socrates has proceeded in placing religion on a moral foundation4 ,he is seeking to realize the harmony of religion and morality1 which the great poets ,aeschylus1 ,sophocles1 and ,pindar had unconsciously anticipated1 and which is the universal want of all men4 ,to this the soothsayer adds the ceremonial element1 'attending upon the gods4' ,when further interrogated by ,socrates as to the nature of this 'attention to the gods1' he replies1 that piety is an affair of business1 a science of giving and asking1 and the like4 ,socrates points out the anthropomorphism of these notions1 7compare ,symp42 ,republic2 ,politicus47 ,but when we expect him to go on and show that the true service of the gods is the service of the spirit and the co-operation with them in all things true and good1 he stops short2 this was a lesson which the soothsayer could not have been made to understand1 and which every one must learn for himself4 ,there seem to be altogether three aims or interests in this little ,dialogue3 7#a7 the dialectical development of the idea of piety2 7#b7 the antithesis of true and false religion1 which is carried to a certain extent only2 7#c7 the defence of ,socrates4 ,the subtle connection with the ,apology and the ,crito2 the holding back of the conclusion1 as in the ,charmides1 ,lysis1 ,laches1 ,protagoras1 and other ,dialogues2 the deep insight into the religious world2 the dramatic power and play of the two characters2 the inimitable irony1 are reasons for believing that the ,euthyphro is a genuine ,platonic writing4 ,the spirit in which the popular representations of mythology are denounced recalls ,republic ,,ii4 ,the virtue of piety has been already mentioned as one of five in the ,protagoras1 but is not reckoned among the four cardinal virtues of ,republic ,,iv4 ,the figure of ,daedalus has occurred in the ,meno2 that of ,proteus in the ,euthydemus and ,io4 ,the kingly science has already appeared in the ,euthydemus1 and will reappear in the ,republic and ,statesman4 ,but neither from these nor any other indications of similarity or difference1 and still less from arguments respecting the suitableness of this little work to aid ,socrates at the time of his trial or the reverse1 can any evidence of the date be obtained4 ,,euthyphro ,,persons ,,of ,,the ,,dialogue3 ,socrates1 ,euthyphro4 ,,scene3 ,the ,porch of the ,king ,archon4 ,,euthyphro3 ,why have you left the ,lyceum1 ,socrates8 and what are you doing in the ,porch of the ,king ,archon8 ,surely you cannot be concerned in a suit before the ,king1 like myself8 ,,socrates3 ,not in a suit1 ,euthyphro2 impeachment is the word which the ,athenians use4 ,,euthyphro3 ,what6 ,i suppose that some one has been prosecuting you1 for ,i cannot believe that you are the prosecutor of another4 ,,socrates3 ,certainly not4 ,,euthyphro3 ,then some one else has been prosecuting you8 ,,socrates3 ,yes4 ,,euthyphro3 ,and who is he8 ,,socrates3 ,a young man who is little known1 ,euthyphro2 and ,i hardly know him3 his name is ,meletus1 and he is of the deme of ,pitthis4 ,perhaps you may remember his appearance2 he has a beak1 and long straight hair1 and a beard which is ill grown4 ,,euthyphro3 ,no1 ,i do not remember him1 ,socrates4 ,but what is the charge which he brings against you8 ,,socrates3 ,what is the charge8 ,well1 a very serious charge1 which shows a good deal of character in the young man1 and for which he is certainly not to be despised4 ,he says he knows how the youth are corrupted and who are their corruptors4 ,i fancy that he must be a wise man1 and seeing that ,i am the reverse of a wise man1 he has found me out1 and is going to accuse me of corrupting his young friends4 ,and of this our mother the state is to be the judge4 ,of all our political men he is the only one who seems to me to begin in the right way1 with the cultivation of virtue in youth2 like a good husbandman1 he makes the young shoots his first care1 and clears away us who are the destroyers of them4 ,this is only the first step2 he will afterwards attend to the elder branches2 and if he goes on as he has begun1 he will be a very great public benefactor4 ,,euthyphro3 ,i hope that he may2 but ,i rather fear1 ,socrates1 that the opposite will turn out to be the truth4 ,my opinion is that in attacking you he is simply aiming a blow at the foundation of the state4 ,but in what way does he say that you corrupt the young8 ,,socrates3 ,he brings a wonderful accusation against me1 which at first hearing excites surprise3 he says that ,i am a poet or maker of gods1 and that ,i invent new gods and deny the existence of old ones2 this is the ground of his indictment4 ,,euthyphro3 ,i understand1 ,socrates2 he means to attack you about the familiar sign which occasionally1 as you say1 comes to you4 ,he thinks that you are a neologian1 and he is going to have you up before the court for this4 ,he knows that such a charge is readily received by the world1 as ,i myself know too well2 for when ,i speak in the assembly about divine things1 and foretell the future to them1 they laugh at me and think me a madman4 ,yet every word that ,i say is true4 ,but they are jealous of us all2 and we must be brave and go at them4 ,,socrates3 ,their laughter1 friend ,euthyphro1 is not a matter of much consequence4 ,for a man may be thought wise2 but the ,athenians1 ,i suspect1 do not much trouble themselves about him until he begins to impart his wisdom to others1 and then for some reason or other1 perhaps1 as you say1 from jealousy1 they are angry4 ,,euthyphro3 ,i am never likely to try their temper in this way4 ,,socrates3 ,i dare say not1 for you are reserved in your behaviour1 and seldom impart your wisdom4 ,but ,i have a benevolent habit of pouring out myself to everybody1 and would even pay for a listener1 and ,i am afraid that the ,athenians may think me too talkative4 ,now if1 as ,i was saying1 they would only laugh at me1 as you say that they laugh at you1 the time might pass gaily enough in the court2 but perhaps they may be in earnest1 and then what the end will be you soothsayers only can predict4 ,,euthyphro3 ,i dare say that the affair will end in nothing1 ,socrates1 and that you will win your cause2 and ,i think that ,i shall win my own4 ,,socrates3 ,and what is your suit1 ,euthyphro8 are you the pursuer or the defendant8 ,,euthyphro3 ,i am the pursuer4 ,,socrates3 ,of whom8 ,,euthyphro3 ,you will think me mad when ,i tell you4 ,,socrates3 ,why1 has the fugitive wings8 ,,euthyphro3 ,nay1 he is not very volatile at his time of life4 ,,socrates3 ,who is he8 ,,euthyphro3 ,my father4 ,,socrates3 ,your father6 my good man8 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and of what is he accused8 ,,euthyphro3 ,of murder1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,by the powers1 ,euthyphro6 how little does the common herd know of the nature of right and truth4 ,a man must be an extraordinary man1 and have made great strides in wisdom1 before he could have seen his way to bring such an action4 ,,euthyphro3 ,indeed1 ,socrates1 he must4 ,,socrates3 ,i suppose that the man whom your father murdered was one of your relatives--clearly he was2 for if he had been a stranger you would never have thought of prosecuting him4 ,,euthyphro3 ,i am amused1 ,socrates1 at your making a distinction between one who is a relation and one who is not a relation2 for surely the pollution is the same in either case1 if you knowingly associate with the murderer when you ought to clear yourself and him by proceeding against him4 ,the real question is whether the murdered man has been justly slain4 ,if justly1 then your duty is to let the matter alone2 but if unjustly1 then even if the murderer lives under the same roof with you and eats at the same table1 proceed against him4 ,now the man who is dead was a poor dependant of mine who worked for us as a field labourer on our farm in ,naxos1 and one day in a fit of drunken passion he got into a quarrel with one of our domestic servants and slew him4 ,my father bound him hand and foot and threw him into a ditch1 and then sent to ,athens to ask of a diviner what he should do with him4 ,meanwhile he never attended to him and took no care about him1 for he regarded him as a murderer2 and thought that no great harm would be done even if he did die4 ,now this was just what happened4 ,for such was the effect of cold and hunger and chains upon him1 that before the messenger returned from the diviner1 he was dead4 ,and my father and family are angry with me for taking the part of the murderer and prosecuting my father4 ,they say that he did not kill him1 and that if he did1 the dead man was but a murderer1 and ,i ought not to take any notice1 for that a son is impious who prosecutes a father4 ,which shows1 ,socrates1 how little they know what the gods think about piety and impiety4 ,,socrates3 ,good heavens1 ,euthyphro6 and is your knowledge of religion and of things pious and impious so very exact1 that1 supposing the circumstances to be as you state them1 you are not afraid lest you too may be doing an impious thing in bringing an action against your father8 ,,euthyphro3 ,the best of ,euthyphro1 and that which distinguishes him1 ,socrates1 from other men1 is his exact knowledge of all such matters4 ,what should ,i be good for without it8 ,,socrates3 ,rare friend6 ,i think that ,i cannot do better than be your disciple4 ,then before the trial with ,meletus comes on ,i shall challenge him1 and say that ,i have always had a great interest in religious questions1 and now1 as he charges me with rash imaginations and innovations in religion1 ,i have become your disciple4 ,you1 ,meletus1 as ,i shall say to him1 acknowledge ,euthyphro to be a great theologian1 and sound in his opinions2 and if you approve of him you ought to approve of me1 and not have me into court2 but if you disapprove1 you should begin by indicting him who is my teacher1 and who will be the ruin1 not of the young1 but of the old2 that is to say1 of myself whom he instructs1 and of his old father whom he admonishes and chastises4 ,and if ,meletus refuses to listen to me1 but will go on1 and will not shift the indictment from me to you1 ,i cannot do better than repeat this challenge in the court4 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes1 indeed1 ,socrates2 and if he attempts to indict me ,i am mistaken if ,i do not find a flaw in him2 the court shall have a great deal more to say to him than to me4 ,,socrates3 ,and ,i1 my dear friend1 knowing this1 am desirous of becoming your disciple4 ,for ,i observe that no one appears to notice you--not even this ,meletus2 but his sharp eyes have found me out at once1 and he has indicted me for impiety4 ,and therefore1 ,i adjure you to tell me the nature of piety and impiety1 which you said that you knew so well1 and of murder1 and of other offences against the gods4 ,what are they8 ,is not piety in every action always the same8 and impiety1 again--is it not always the opposite of piety1 and also the same with itself1 having1 as impiety1 one notion which includes whatever is impious8 ,,euthyphro3 ,to be sure1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,and what is piety1 and what is impiety8 ,,euthyphro3 ,piety is doing as ,i am doing2 that is to say1 prosecuting any one who is guilty of murder1 sacrilege1 or of any similar crime--whether he be your father or mother1 or whoever he may be--that makes no difference2 and not to prosecute them is impiety4 ,and please to consider1 ,socrates1 what a notable proof ,i will give you of the truth of my words1 a proof which ,i have already given to others3--of the principle1 ,i mean1 that the impious1 whoever he may be1 ought not to go unpunished4 ,for do not men regard ,zeus as the best and most righteous of the gods8--and yet they admit that he bound his father 7,cronos7 because he wickedly devoured his sons1 and that he too had punished his own father 7,uranus7 for a similar reason1 in a nameless manner4 ,and yet when ,i proceed against my father1 they are angry with me4 ,so inconsistent are they in their way of talking when the gods are concerned1 and when ,i am concerned4 ,,socrates3 ,may not this be the reason1 ,euthyphro1 why ,i am charged with impiety--that ,i cannot away with these stories about the gods8 and therefore ,i suppose that people think me wrong4 ,but1 as you who are well informed about them approve of them1 ,i cannot do better than assent to your superior wisdom4 ,what else can ,i say1 confessing as ,i do1 that ,i know nothing about them8 ,tell me1 for the love of ,zeus1 whether you really believe that they are true4 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes1 ,socrates2 and things more wonderful still1 of which the world is in ignorance4 ,,socrates3 ,and do you really believe that the gods fought with one another1 and had dire quarrels1 battles1 and the like1 as the poets say1 and as you may see represented in the works of great artists8 ,the temples are full of them2 and notably the robe of ,athene1 which is carried up to the ,acropolis at the great ,panathenaea1 is embroidered with them4 ,are all these tales of the gods true1 ,euthyphro8 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes1 ,socrates2 and1 as ,i was saying1 ,i can tell you1 if you would like to hear them1 many other things about the gods which would quite amaze you4 ,,socrates3 ,i dare say2 and you shall tell me them at some other time when ,i have leisure4 ,but just at present ,i would rather hear from you a more precise answer1 which you have not as yet given1 my friend1 to the question1 ,what is 'piety'8 ,when asked1 you only replied1 ,doing as you do1 charging your father with murder4 ,,euthyphro3 ,and what ,i said was true1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,no doubt1 ,euthyphro2 but you would admit that there are many other pious acts8 ,,euthyphro3 ,there are4 ,,socrates3 ,remember that ,i did not ask you to give me two or three examples of piety1 but to explain the general idea which makes all pious things to be pious4 ,do you not recollect that there was one idea which made the impious impious1 and the pious pious8 ,,euthyphro3 ,i remember4 ,,socrates3 ,tell me what is the nature of this idea1 and then ,i shall have a standard to which ,i may look1 and by which ,i may measure actions1 whether yours or those of any one else1 and then ,i shall be able to say that such and such an action is pious1 such another impious4 ,,euthyphro3 ,i will tell you1 if you like4 ,,socrates3 ,i should very much like4 ,,euthyphro3 ,piety1 then1 is that which is dear to the gods1 and impiety is that which is not dear to them4 ,,socrates3 ,very good1 ,euthyphro2 you have now given me the sort of answer which ,i wanted4 ,but whether what you say is true or not ,i cannot as yet tell1 although ,i make no doubt that you will prove the truth of your words4 ,,euthyphro3 ,of course4 ,,socrates3 ,come1 then1 and let us examine what we are saying4 ,that thing or person which is dear to the gods is pious1 and that thing or person which is hateful to the gods is impious1 these two being the extreme opposites of one another4 ,was not that said8 ,,euthyphro3 ,it was4 ,,socrates3 ,and well said8 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes1 ,socrates1 ,i thought so2 it was certainly said4 ,,socrates3 ,and further1 ,euthyphro1 the gods were admitted to have enmities and hatreds and differences8 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes1 that was also said4 ,,socrates3 ,and what sort of difference creates enmity and anger8 ,suppose for example that you and ,i1 my good friend1 differ about a number2 do differences of this sort make us enemies and set us at variance with one another8 ,do we not go at once to arithmetic1 and put an end to them by a sum8 ,,euthyphro3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,or suppose that we differ about magnitudes1 do we not quickly end the differences by measuring8 ,,euthyphro3 ,very true4 ,,socrates3 ,and we end a controversy about heavy and light by resorting to a weighing machine8 ,,euthyphro3 ,to be sure4 ,,socrates3 ,but what differences are there which cannot be thus decided1 and which therefore make us angry and set us at enmity with one another8 ,i dare say the answer does not occur to you at the moment1 and therefore ,i will suggest that these enmities arise when the matters of difference are the just and unjust1 good and evil1 honourable and dishonourable4 ,are not these the points about which men differ1 and about which when we are unable satisfactorily to decide our differences1 you and ,i and all of us quarrel1 when we do quarrel8 7,compare ,alcib47 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes1 ,socrates1 the nature of the differences about which we quarrel is such as you describe4 ,,socrates3 ,and the quarrels of the gods1 noble ,euthyphro1 when they occur1 are of a like nature8 ,,euthyphro3 ,certainly they are4 ,,socrates3 ,they have differences of opinion1 as you say1 about good and evil1 just and unjust1 honourable and dishonourable3 there would have been no quarrels among them1 if there had been no such differences--would there now8 ,,euthyphro3 ,you are quite right4 ,,socrates3 ,does not every man love that which he deems noble and just and good1 and hate the opposite of them8 ,,euthyphro3 ,very true4 ,,socrates3 ,but1 as you say1 people regard the same things1 some as just and others as unjust1--about these they dispute2 and so there arise wars and fightings among them4 ,,euthyphro3 ,very true4 ,,socrates3 ,then the same things are hated by the gods and loved by the gods1 and are both hateful and dear to them8 ,,euthyphro3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,and upon this view the same things1 ,euthyphro1 will be pious and also impious8 ,,euthyphro3 ,so ,i should suppose4 ,,socrates3 ,then1 my friend1 ,i remark with surprise that you have not answered the question which ,i asked4 ,for ,i certainly did not ask you to tell me what action is both pious and impious3 but now it would seem that what is loved by the gods is also hated by them4 ,and therefore1 ,euthyphro1 in thus chastising your father you may very likely be doing what is agreeable to ,zeus but disagreeable to ,cronos or ,uranus1 and what is acceptable to ,hephaestus but unacceptable to ,here1 and there may be other gods who have similar differences of opinion4 ,,euthyphro3 ,but ,i believe1 ,socrates1 that all the gods would be agreed as to the propriety of punishing a murderer3 there would be no difference of opinion about that4 ,,socrates3 ,well1 but speaking of men1 ,euthyphro1 did you ever hear any one arguing that a murderer or any sort of evil-doer ought to be let off8 ,,euthyphro3 ,i should rather say that these are the questions which they are always arguing1 especially in courts of law3 they commit all sorts of crimes1 and there is nothing which they will not do or say in their own defence4 ,,socrates3 ,but do they admit their guilt1 ,euthyphro1 and yet say that they ought not to be punished8 ,,euthyphro3 ,no2 they do not4 ,,socrates3 ,then there are some things which they do not venture to say and do3 for they do not venture to argue that the guilty are to be unpunished1 but they deny their guilt1 do they not8 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,then they do not argue that the evil-doer should not be punished1 but they argue about the fact of who the evil-doer is1 and what he did and when8 ,,euthyphro3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,and the gods are in the same case1 if as you assert they quarrel about just and unjust1 and some of them say while others deny that injustice is done among them4 ,for surely neither ,god nor man will ever venture to say that the doer of injustice is not to be punished8 ,,euthyphro3 ,that is true1 ,socrates1 in the main4 ,,socrates3 ,but they join issue about the particulars--gods and men alike2 and1 if they dispute at all1 they dispute about some act which is called in question1 and which by some is affirmed to be just1 by others to be unjust4 ,is not that true8 ,,euthyphro3 ,quite true4 ,,socrates3 ,well then1 my dear friend ,euthyphro1 do tell me1 for my better instruction and information1 what proof have you that in the opinion of all the gods a servant who is guilty of murder1 and is put in chains by the master of the dead man1 and dies because he is put in chains before he who bound him can learn from the interpreters of the gods what he ought to do with him1 dies unjustly2 and that on behalf of such an one a son ought to proceed against his father and accuse him of murder4 ,how would you show that all the gods absolutely agree in approving of his act8 ,prove to me that they do1 and ,i will applaud your wisdom as long as ,i live4 ,,euthyphro3 ,it will be a difficult task2 but ,i could make the matter very clear indeed to you4 ,,socrates3 ,i understand2 you mean to say that ,i am not so quick of apprehension as the judges3 for to them you will be sure to prove that the act is unjust1 and hateful to the gods4 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes indeed1 ,socrates2 at least if they will listen to me4 ,,socrates3 ,but they will be sure to listen if they find that you are a good speaker4 ,there was a notion that came into my mind while you were speaking2 ,i said to myself3 ',well1 and what if ,euthyphro does prove to me that all the gods regarded the death of the serf as unjust1 how do ,i know anything more of the nature of piety and impiety8 for granting that this action may be hateful to the gods1 still piety and impiety are not adequately defined by these distinctions1 for that which is hateful to the gods has been shown to be also pleasing and dear to them4' ,and therefore1 ,euthyphro1 ,i do not ask you to prove this2 ,i will suppose1 if you like1 that all the gods condemn and abominate such an action4 ,but ,i will amend the definition so far as to say that what all the gods hate is impious1 and what they love pious or holy2 and what some of them love and others hate is both or neither4 ,shall this be our definition of piety and impiety8 ,,euthyphro3 ,why not1 ,socrates8 ,,socrates3 ,why not6 certainly1 as far as ,i am concerned1 ,euthyphro1 there is no reason why not4 ,but whether this admission will greatly assist you in the task of instructing me as you promised1 is a matter for you to consider4 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes1 ,i should say that what all the gods love is pious and holy1 and the opposite which they all hate1 impious4 ,,socrates3 ,ought we to enquire into the truth of this1 ,euthyphro1 or simply to accept the mere statement on our own authority and that of others8 ,what do you say8 ,,euthyphro3 ,we should enquire2 and ,i believe that the statement will stand the test of enquiry4 ,,socrates3 ,we shall know better1 my good friend1 in a little while4 ,the point which ,i should first wish to understand is whether the pious or holy is beloved by the gods because it is holy1 or holy because it is beloved of the gods4 ,,euthyphro3 ,i do not understand your meaning1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,i will endeavour to explain3 we1 speak of carrying and we speak of being carried1 of leading and being led1 seeing and being seen4 ,you know that in all such cases there is a difference1 and you know also in what the difference lies8 ,,euthyphro3 ,i think that ,i understand4 ,,socrates3 ,and is not that which is beloved distinct from that which loves8 ,,euthyphro3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,well2 and now tell me1 is that which is carried in this state of carrying because it is carried1 or for some other reason8 ,,euthyphro3 ,no2 that is the reason4 ,,socrates3 ,and the same is true of what is led and of what is seen8 ,,euthyphro3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,and a thing is not seen because it is visible1 but conversely1 visible because it is seen2 nor is a thing led because it is in the state of being led1 or carried because it is in the state of being carried1 but the converse of this4 ,and now ,i think1 ,euthyphro1 that my meaning will be intelligible2 and my meaning is1 that any state of action or passion implies previous action or passion4 ,it does not become because it is becoming1 but it is in a state of becoming because it becomes2 neither does it suffer because it is in a state of suffering1 but it is in a state of suffering because it suffers4 ,do you not agree8 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,is not that which is loved in some state either of becoming or suffering8 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and the same holds as in the previous instances2 the state of being loved follows the act of being loved1 and not the act the state4 ,,euthyphro3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,and what do you say of piety1 ,euthyphro3 is not piety1 according to your definition1 loved by all the gods8 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,because it is pious or holy1 or for some other reason8 ,,euthyphro3 ,no1 that is the reason4 ,,socrates3 ,it is loved because it is holy1 not holy because it is loved8 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and that which is dear to the gods is loved by them1 and is in a state to be loved of them because it is loved of them8 ,,euthyphro3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,then that which is dear to the gods1 ,euthyphro1 is not holy1 nor is that which is holy loved of ,god1 as you affirm2 but they are two different things4 ,,euthyphro3 ,how do you mean1 ,socrates8 ,,socrates3 ,i mean to say that the holy has been acknowledged by us to be loved of ,god because it is holy1 not to be holy because it is loved4 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,but that which is dear to the gods is dear to them because it is loved by them1 not loved by them because it is dear to them4 ,,euthyphro3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,but1 friend ,euthyphro1 if that which is holy is the same with that which is dear to ,god1 and is loved because it is holy1 then that which is dear to ,god would have been loved as being dear to ,god2 but if that which is dear to ,god is dear to him because loved by him1 then that which is holy would have been holy because loved by him4 ,but now you see that the reverse is the case1 and that they are quite different from one another4 ,for one 7theophiles7 is of a kind to be loved cause it is loved1 and the other 7osion7 is loved because it is of a kind to be loved4 ,thus you appear to me1 ,euthyphro1 when ,i ask you what is the essence of holiness1 to offer an attribute only1 and not the essence--the attribute of being loved by all the gods4 ,but you still refuse to explain to me the nature of holiness4 ,and therefore1 if you please1 ,i will ask you not to hide your treasure1 but to tell me once more what holiness or piety really is1 whether dear to the gods or not 7for that is a matter about which we will not quarrel72 and what is impiety8 ,,euthyphro3 ,i really do not know1 ,socrates1 how to express what ,i mean4 ,for somehow or other our arguments1 on whatever ground we rest them1 seem to turn round and walk away from us4 ,,socrates3 ,your words1 ,euthyphro1 are like the handiwork of my ancestor ,daedalus2 and if ,i were the sayer or propounder of them1 you might say that my arguments walk away and will not remain fixed where they are placed because ,i am a descendant of his4 ,but now1 since these notions are your own1 you must find some other gibe1 for they certainly1 as you yourself allow1 show an inclination to be on the move4 ,,euthyphro3 ,nay1 ,socrates1 ,i shall still say that you are the ,daedalus who sets arguments in motion2 not ,i1 certainly1 but you make them move or go round1 for they would never have stirred1 as far as ,i am concerned4 ,,socrates3 ,then ,i must be a greater than ,daedalus3 for whereas he only made his own inventions to move1 ,i move those of other people as well4 ,and the beauty of it is1 that ,i would rather not4 ,for ,i would give the wisdom of ,daedalus1 and the wealth of ,tantalus1 to be able to detain them and keep them fixed4 ,but enough of this4 ,as ,i perceive that you are lazy1 ,i will myself endeavour to show you how you might instruct me in the nature of piety2 and ,i hope that you will not grudge your labour4 ,tell me1 then--,is not that which is pious necessarily just8 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and is1 then1 all which is just pious8 or1 is that which is pious all just1 but that which is just1 only in part and not all1 pious8 ,,euthyphro3 ,i do not understand you1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,and yet ,i know that you are as much wiser than ,i am1 as you are younger4 ,but1 as ,i was saying1 revered friend1 the abundance of your wisdom makes you lazy4 ,please to exert yourself1 for there is no real difficulty in understanding me4 ,what ,i mean ,i may explain by an illustration of what ,i do not mean4 ,the poet 7,stasinus7 sings-- ',of ,zeus1 the author and creator of all these things1 ,you will not tell3 for where there is fear there is also reverence4' ,now ,i disagree with this poet4 ,shall ,i tell you in what respect8 ,,euthyphro3 ,by all means4 ,,socrates3 ,i should not say that where there is fear there is also reverence2 for ,i am sure that many persons fear poverty and disease1 and the like evils1 but ,i do not perceive that they reverence the objects of their fear4 ,,euthyphro3 ,very true4 ,,socrates3 ,but where reverence is1 there is fear2 for he who has a feeling of reverence and shame about the commission of any action1 fears and is afraid of an ill reputation4 ,,euthyphro3 ,no doubt4 ,,socrates3 ,then we are wrong in saying that where there is fear there is also reverence2 and we should say1 where there is reverence there is also fear4 ,but there is not always reverence where there is fear2 for fear is a more extended notion1 and reverence is a part of fear1 just as the odd is a part of number1 and number is a more extended notion than the odd4 ,i suppose that you follow me now8 ,,euthyphro3 ,quite well4 ,,socrates3 ,that was the sort of question which ,i meant to raise when ,i asked whether the just is always the pious1 or the pious always the just2 and whether there may not be justice where there is not piety2 for justice is the more extended notion of which piety is only a part4 ,do you dissent8 ,,euthyphro3 ,no1 ,i think that you are quite right4 ,,socrates3 ,then1 if piety is a part of justice1 ,i suppose that we should enquire what part8 ,if you had pursued the enquiry in the previous cases2 for instance1 if you had asked me what is an even number1 and what part of number the even is1 ,i should have had no difficulty in replying1 a number which represents a figure having two equal sides4 ,do you not agree8 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes1 ,i quite agree4 ,,socrates3 ,in like manner1 ,i want you to tell me what part of justice is piety or holiness1 that ,i may be able to tell ,meletus not to do me injustice1 or indict me for impiety1 as ,i am now adequately instructed by you in the nature of piety or holiness1 and their opposites4 ,,euthyphro3 ,piety or holiness1 ,socrates1 appears to me to be that part of justice which attends to the gods1 as there is the other part of justice which attends to men4 ,,socrates3 ,that is good1 ,euthyphro2 yet still there is a little point about which ,i should like to have further information1 ,what is the meaning of 'attention'8 ,for attention can hardly be used in the same sense when applied to the gods as when applied to other things4 ,for instance1 horses are said to require attention1 and not every person is able to attend to them1 but only a person skilled in horsemanship4 ,is it not so8 ,,euthyphro3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,i should suppose that the art of horsemanship is the art of attending to horses8 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,nor is every one qualified to attend to dogs1 but only the huntsman8 ,,euthyphro3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,and ,i should also conceive that the art of the huntsman is the art of attending to dogs8 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,as the art of the oxherd is the art of attending to oxen8 ,,euthyphro3 ,very true4 ,,socrates3 ,in like manner holiness or piety is the art of attending to the gods8--that would be your meaning1 ,euthyphro8 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and is not attention always designed for the good or benefit of that to which the attention is given8 ,as in the case of horses1 you may observe that when attended to by the horseman's art they are benefited and improved1 are they not8 ,,euthyphro3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,as the dogs are benefited by the huntsman's art1 and the oxen by the art of the oxherd1 and all other things are tended or attended for their good and not for their hurt8 ,,euthyphro3 ,certainly1 not for their hurt4 ,,socrates3 ,but for their good8 ,,euthyphro3 ,of course4 ,,socrates3 ,and does piety or holiness1 which has been defined to be the art of attending to the gods1 benefit or improve them8 ,would you say that when you do a holy act you make any of the gods better8 ,,euthyphro3 ,no1 no2 that was certainly not what ,i meant4 ,,socrates3 ,and ,i1 ,euthyphro1 never supposed that you did4 ,i asked you the question about the nature of the attention1 because ,i thought that you did not4 ,,euthyphro3 ,you do me justice1 ,socrates2 that is not the sort of attention which ,i mean4 ,,socrates3 ,good3 but ,i must still ask what is this attention to the gods which is called piety8 ,,euthyphro3 ,it is such1 ,socrates1 as servants show to their masters4 ,,socrates3 ,i understand--a sort of ministration to the gods4 ,,euthyphro3 ,exactly4 ,,socrates3 ,medicine is also a sort of ministration or service1 having in view the attainment of some object--would you not say of health8 ,,euthyphro3 ,i should4 ,,socrates3 ,again1 there is an art which ministers to the ship-builder with a view to the attainment of some result8 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes1 ,socrates1 with a view to the building of a ship4 ,,socrates3 ,as there is an art which ministers to the house-builder with a view to the building of a house8 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes4 ,,socrates3 ,and now tell me1 my good friend1 about the art which ministers to the gods3 what work does that help to accomplish8 ,for you must surely know if1 as you say1 you are of all men living the one who is best instructed in religion4 ,,euthyphro3 ,and ,i speak the truth1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,tell me then1 oh tell me--what is that fair work which the gods do by the help of our ministrations8 ,,euthyphro3 ,many and fair1 ,socrates1 are the works which they do4 ,,socrates3 ,why1 my friend1 and so are those of a general4 ,but the chief of them is easily told4 ,would you not say that victory in war is the chief of them8 ,,euthyphro3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,many and fair1 too1 are the works of the husbandman1 if ,i am not mistaken2 but his chief work is the production of food from the earth8 ,,euthyphro3 ,exactly4 ,,socrates3 ,and of the many and fair things done by the gods1 which is the chief or principal one8 ,,euthyphro3 ,i have told you already1 ,socrates1 that to learn all these things accurately will be very tiresome4 ,let me simply say that piety or holiness is learning how to please the gods in word and deed1 by prayers and sacrifices4 ,such piety is the salvation of families and states1 just as the impious1 which is unpleasing to the gods1 is their ruin and destruction4 ,,socrates3 ,i think that you could have answered in much fewer words the chief question which ,i asked1 ,euthyphro1 if you had chosen4 ,but ,i see plainly that you are not disposed to instruct me--clearly not3 else why1 when we reached the point1 did you turn aside8 ,had you only answered me ,i should have truly learned of you by this time the nature of piety4 ,now1 as the asker of a question is necessarily dependent on the answerer1 whither he leads ,i must follow2 and can only ask again1 what is the pious1 and what is piety8 ,do you mean that they are a sort of science of praying and sacrificing8 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes1 ,i do4 ,,socrates3 ,and sacrificing is giving to the gods1 and prayer is asking of the gods8 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,upon this view1 then1 piety is a science of asking and giving8 ,,euthyphro3 ,you understand me capitally1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,yes1 my friend2 the reason is that ,i am a votary of your science1 and give my mind to it1 and therefore nothing which you say will be thrown away upon me4 ,please then to tell me1 what is the nature of this service to the gods8 ,do you mean that we prefer requests and give gifts to them8 ,,euthyphro3 ,yes1 ,i do4 ,,socrates3 ,is not the right way of asking to ask of them what we want8 ,,euthyphro3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,and the right way of giving is to give to them in return what they want of us4 ,there would be no meaning in an art which gives to any one that which he does not want4 ,,euthyphro3 ,very true1 ,socrates4 ,,socrates3 ,then piety1 ,euthyphro1 is an art which gods and men have of doing business with one another8 ,,euthyphro3 ,that is an expression which you may use1 if you like4 ,,socrates3 ,but ,i have no particular liking for anything but the truth4 ,i wish1 however1 that you would tell me what benefit accrues to the gods from our gifts4 ,there is no doubt about what they give to us2 for there is no good thing which they do not give2 but how we can give any good thing to them in return is far from being equally clear4 ,if they give everything and we give nothing1 that must be an affair of business in which we have very greatly the advantage of them4 ,,euthyphro3 ,and do you imagine1 ,socrates1 that any benefit accrues to the gods from our gifts8 ,,socrates3 ,but if not1 ,euthyphro1 what is the meaning of gifts which are conferred by us upon the gods8 ,,euthyphro3 ,what else1 but tributes of honour2 and1 as ,i was just now saying1 what pleases them8 ,,socrates3 ,piety1 then1 is pleasing to the gods1 but not beneficial or dear to them8 ,,euthyphro3 ,i should say that nothing could be dearer4 ,,socrates3 ,then once more the assertion is repeated that piety is dear to the gods8 ,,euthyphro3 ,certainly4 ,,socrates3 ,and when you say this1 can you wonder at your words not standing firm1 but walking away8 ,will you accuse me of being the ,daedalus who makes them walk away1 not perceiving that there is another and far greater artist than ,daedalus who makes them go round in a circle1 and he is yourself2 for the argument1 as you will perceive1 comes round to the same point4 ,were we not saying that the holy or pious was not the same with that which is loved of the gods8 ,have you forgotten8 ,,euthyphro3 ,i quite remember4 ,,socrates3 ,and are you not saying that what is loved of the gods is holy2 and is not this the same as what is dear to them--do you see8 ,,euthyphro3 ,true4 ,,socrates3 ,then either we were wrong in our former assertion2 or1 if we were right then1 we are wrong now4 ,,euthyphro3 ,one of the two must be true4 ,,socrates3 ,then we must begin again and ask1 ,what is piety8 ,that is an enquiry which ,i shall never be weary of pursuing as far as in me lies2 and ,i entreat you not to scorn me1 but to apply your mind to the utmost1 and tell me the truth4 ,for1 if any man knows1 you are he2 and therefore ,i must detain you1 like ,proteus1 until you tell4 ,if you had not certainly known the nature of piety and impiety1 ,i am confident that you would never1 on behalf of a serf1 have charged your aged father with murder4 ,you would not have run such a risk of doing wrong in the sight of the gods1 and you would have had too much respect for the opinions of men4 ,i am sure1 therefore1 that you know the nature of piety and impiety4 ,speak out then1 my dear ,euthyphro1 and do not hide your knowledge4 ,,euthyphro3 ,another time1 ,socrates2 for ,i am in a hurry1 and must go now4 ,,socrates3 ,alas6 my companion1 and will you leave me in despair8 ,i was hoping that you would instruct me in the nature of piety and impiety2 and then ,i might have cleared myself of ,meletus and his indictment4 ,i would have told him that ,i had been enlightened by ,euthyphro1 and had given up rash innovations and speculations1 in which ,i indulged only through ignorance1 and that now ,i am about to lead a better life4